Quote from: TheMarioPianist on August 17, 2015, 12:00:10 PMI probably led you astray a bit with the piano experience thing. Really, the only thing piano experience does is it allows you to know whether something is playable or not more quickly, rather than having to go to a piano and test it out a bunch of times. Sure, that saves some time, but not nearly as much as a hereditary gift such as absolute (perfect) pitch. Well actually, hereditary isn't quite the word I wanted to use. It is just something that can only be developed during certain time windows, usually by experience with a musical instrument. I can't remember exactly what these windows are, but the best time is having experience before age 3 or so. Its all about brain development and stuff, you can look up more about it if you want to. But anyway, it is a huge timesaver because it allows me to hear melodies or chords only 1 or 2 times and be able to recognize every note being played. I don't have to stop and keep plunking random keys until something "sounds right." You can always develop relative pitch, but I won't get into that here. This is going WAY off topic, I promise my next post will be a submission! :) Anyway, if you have any questions about pitch, arranging speed, or something else, PM me about it so we don't like get people mad at us for cluttering up this thread with non-Animal Crossing stuff!
Remembering for like 3-4 years ago I tried to learn perfect/Absolute pitch. I though that it'd be the ultimate tool for me, as I wanted to be a composer(I only needed a pen and some paper and I could just write down everything I heard in my head). I tried really hard, but all the methods were very vague. Most methods said either that you should try associate a certain note with a certain color or something, or that you should try to associate the note with a song that started on the note. And one of the programs I used, Auralia, had a huge flaw in it's Perfect Pitch training topic: The notes seemed to have different overtones, so I could hear what note it was not because I recognized the pitch but because I recognized the sound, like hearing different instruments. And also, since the notes came after each other successively, it sometimes happen that I used relative pitch to clear the exercise.
It might be possible to learn Perfect Pitch, I'm not sure, or at least get better at hearing different pitches. But But I gave up after a while because I didn't see much of a clear progress, it is much harder to learn than relative pitch. I got a pretty good relative pitch and it's easier to learn probably because you hear 2 or more notes and it's about hearing the relation to the notes, if it sounds dissonant or not etc., while perfect pitch you hear 1 or more notes and you have to know/feel what note it is.
Quote from: ThatGamer on August 17, 2015, 12:51:55 PMI can play by ear, is that close to perfect pitch? lol
No if you play by ear you're probably using relative pitch. Like someone sings a melody and you imitate it on piano. Either you try until you find the right notes or you're using relative pitch/melodic pitch to play the melody correctly. Not even if you can sing a song with correctly if someone gave you a sheet would count as perfect pitch, you might know how high a G or a C# is for you.
Perfect pitch is more like: I give you a song and you can instantly hear what the notes are in a couple of tries, depending on the amount of notes/speed of the song, without finding them on an instrument because you know how the notes sound and thereby know what the notes are.
A prime example might be Beethoven, who composed his entire 9th Symphony deaf! He heard the entire symphony in his head.
Interesting..had no idea beethoven was deaf!
Quote from: ThatGamer on August 17, 2015, 01:25:31 PMInteresting..had no idea beethoven was deaf!
Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aW1gCkZGrg) is a perfect pitch test, if you want to try.
Beethoven gradually became deafer during his career, and when he composed his last symphony, the 9th, he was completely deaf.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 17, 2015, 01:42:16 PMHere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aW1gCkZGrg) is a perfect pitch test, if you want to try.
Beethoven gradually became deafer during his career, and when he composed his last symphony, the 9th, he was completely deaf.
Fail. Got 0/20...
I at least hear the firs A#. Zelda lol, I'll never forget :).
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 17, 2015, 01:53:33 PMI at least hear the firs A#. Zelda lol, I'll never forget :).
I thought Zelda was C major?
Quote from: ThatGamer on August 17, 2015, 01:57:49 PMI thought Zelda was C major?
Nope, most versions of the main theme is in Bb. Going Bb-C-D-Eb-F etc.
20/20
I have another good test for you guys to try. I need to find it. I got a 25/26 because I hadn't heard of one of the songs.
Not for sure if it actually tests perfect pitch, but it tests your sense of pitch in general.
Here (http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/tunetest/Pages/Default.aspx) is the test.
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on August 17, 2015, 02:18:51 PMI have another good test for you guys to try. I need to find it. I got a 25/26 because I hadn't heard of one of the songs.
Not for sure if it actually tests perfect pitch, but it tests your sense of pitch in general.
Here (http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/tunetest/Pages/Default.aspx) is the test.
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Fuck Yeah! I got 26/26
This boosted my self-confindence lol. I know what sounds good, and what sounds like a piano on drugs ;D. And I hadn't even heard some of the songs.
Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fgwbzb97.png&hash=91c4f03f911cb447aa505a05d9603911f3d8f878)
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 17, 2015, 02:37:19 PMFuck Yeah! I got 26/26
This boosted my self-confindence lol. I know what sounds good, and what sounds like a piano on drugs ;D. And I hadn't even heard some of the songs.
Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fgwbzb97.png&hash=91c4f03f911cb447aa505a05d9603911f3d8f878)
Congrats! Absolutely, I think that's all you really have to know to beat that test. I had heard of all of them but 1 (some were repeats, too). That's why I got a 25. Darn you! >:( ;D
20/20 on the first one. 24/26 on the second.
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on August 17, 2015, 02:18:51 PMI have another good test for you guys to try. I need to find it. I got a 25/26 because I hadn't heard of one of the songs.
Not for sure if it actually tests perfect pitch, but it tests your sense of pitch in general.
Here (http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/tunetest/Pages/Default.aspx) is the test.
Got a 26/26, awesome!
I'm really confused now, because I only knew about 2/3 of the songs, but I still got 26/26. What?
Same actually, I didn't know a few of them, but I still could tell they sounded incredibly off when the pitches were distorted.
Quote from: Hero of Trains on August 17, 2015, 03:48:12 PMI'm really confused now, because I only knew about 2/3 of the songs, but I still got 26/26. What?
I think that's part of how they test your sense of pitch. Even if you don't know every song, you would be able to tell if a song is just, I don't know, wrong. Like some of them, even if I didn't know the song, I could pick up what key it was and tell if some of the notes were out of key. That's my theory, anyway.
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on August 17, 2015, 04:20:55 PMI think that's part of how they test your sense of pitch. Even if you don't know every song, you would be able to tell if a song is just, I don't know, wrong. Like some of them, even if I didn't know the song, I could pick up what key it was and tell if some of the notes were out of key. That's my theory, anyway.
Well. Those nine years of piano were totally wasted...can't get a single freaking correct answer. Can't wait for high school piano exams next week...
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 17, 2015, 01:42:16 PMHere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aW1gCkZGrg) is a perfect pitch test, if you want to try.
I found this to be pretty easy, 20/20. Admittedly, I started getting bored and I just started identifying the notes in the atonal music.
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on August 17, 2015, 02:18:51 PMI have another good test for you guys to try. I need to find it. I got a 25/26 because I hadn't heard of one of the songs.
Not for sure if it actually tests perfect pitch, but it tests your sense of pitch in general.
Here (http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/tunetest/Pages/Default.aspx) is the test.
I got 26/26 on that one. I'm not sure how others did it, but I basically just identified the key and identified notes that didn't belong in any related key. But there was that one sample that had played "D C G" instead of "D B G", which would have tripped me up if I hadn't heard that song before. Although, I guess the latter would be better harmonically.
Honestly, I don't associate any note with a colour or song or anything. I just hear the note and I think "shit dawg dat be a F#/Gb".
I'm interested in how others identify chords. I'm too lazy to find anything at the moment, but I'll just ask y'all how you hear them. Do you try to hear out the individual notes, do you identify the quality first, etc. etc.
Apparently, people who speak tonal languages (only ones I can think of at the moment are Chinese languages) have more ease with pitch identification, so I may have had a slight advantage.
I try to hear the notes in the chord and go from there, once I get one note identified, I try to hear what notes are around it.
Quote from: ThatGamer on August 17, 2015, 05:05:28 PMWell. Those nine years of piano were totally wasted...can't get a single freaking correct answer. Can't wait for high school piano exams next week...
Or not. Those nine years probably has maybe not made you to a person with the sharpest ear, but made you a superb
pianist. And relative pitch will come with time, try listen to different intervals/chords and learn how they sound.
The best way to improve your ear is constantly listen to music. All kinds of music. Keep your ears sharp and listen to every little voice.
Quote from: InsigTurtle on August 17, 2015, 05:13:28 PMI found this to be pretty easy, 20/20. Admittedly, I started getting bored and I just started identifying the notes in the atonal music.
Good, I wasn't the only one doing that. ;D
Quote from: InsigTurtle on August 17, 2015, 05:13:28 PMHonestly, I don't associate any note with a colour or song or anything. I just hear the note and I think "shit dawg dat be a F#/Gb".
I'm interested in how others identify chords. I'm too lazy to find anything at the moment, but I'll just ask y'all how you hear them. Do you try to hear out the individual notes, do you identify the quality first, etc. etc.
Apparently, people who speak tonal languages (only ones I can think of at the moment are Chinese languages) have more ease with pitch identification, so I may have had a slight advantage.
For hearing pitches and chords, basically what you said, that's what I do. That tonal language thing is interesting. I wouldn't know, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 17, 2015, 05:25:47 PMOr not. Those nine years probably have made you into a superb pianist, but maybe not to a person with the sharpest ear. And relative pitch will come with time, try listen to different intervals/chords and learn how they sound.
@ThatGamer piano lessons are definitely not a waste...basically what Tobbeh99 said.
I am quite bad at hearing chords, especially songs with more difficult chords and more verity in chord coloring. But I usually listen to the sound of the chord, a dim-chord sounds demonic, a minor7 sounds smooth etc. But sometimes I listen to the notes, the bass line etc.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 17, 2015, 05:25:47 PMOr not. Those nine years probably has maybe not made you to a person with the sharpest ear, but made you a superb pianist. And relative pitch will come with time, try listen to different intervals/chords and learn how they sound.
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on August 17, 2015, 05:28:59 PM@ThatGamer piano lessons are definitely not a waste...basically what Tobbeh99 said.
Yeah, I guess. Still can't play the songs I want like DKC forest theme or Kirby's Return to dream land boss battle though. Which is why I started when I was 7...perhaps next year...
Quote from: ThatGamer on August 17, 2015, 05:05:28 PMWell. Those nine years of piano were totally wasted...can't get a single freaking correct answer. Can't wait for high school piano exams next week...
The point of piano lessons is not to train your ear (though my teacher works on ear training with me as part of my training), but to train your technique and musicality. Which is separate from your playing, though it can help.
For listening to every little voice, I'd recommend listening to Bach's WTC. Both books. Great stuff, can't wait to play more of it!
I've got relative pitch now just from listening closely to music for 7 years. Just listen hard to everything and learn all your favs on the piano. Even just single notes with the melodic line. Then you start being able to match pitches with familiar parts of certain songs and then after that you just kinda know.
Quote from: JDMEK5 on August 17, 2015, 07:29:02 PMI've got relative pitch now just from listening closely to music for 7 years. Just listen hard to everything and learn all your favs on the piano. Even just single notes with the melodic line. Then you start being able to match pitches with familiar parts of certain songs and then after that you just kinda know.
literally have been practicing this song for years, (Tree Top Town) anyone who can help me? On this page: http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/browse/series/DonkeyKong
I listen to music extended a lot, and I just go from one voice to another and hum along. I always wonder what people think when I have earbuds in and I'm humming the bass line. :P
Heh, I've done the same thing, trying to sing other parts of the song than the melody.
Quote from: ThatGamer on August 17, 2015, 07:37:58 PMliterally have been practicing this song for years, (Tree Top Town) anyone who can help me? On this page: http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/browse/series/DonkeyKong
Well, I can see why you have been practicing that for years. That syncopation ain't easy! The only tips I can give (which you've probably done before) are take it slow and take it one hand at a time. Songs with bass lines like that are common in video games, but not easy to play on piano. Not that the melody is much easier...
There was this app, can't remember it's name, but you would put headphones in and sing along to a tune. Always thought that was dumb. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on August 17, 2015, 07:59:31 PMWell, I can see why you have been practicing that for years. That syncopation ain't easy! The only tips I can give (which you've probably done before) are take it slow and take it one hand at a time. Songs with bass lines like that are common in video games, but not easy to play on piano. Not that the melody is much easier...
Yes, it is really hard. Maybe if i take it slow it could work...
Hmm it looks kind of tricky with a lot of rhythm/timing with the hands. When there are lots of same notes after each of (tremolo) like measure 15 switch fingers 1-4-3-2-1-4-3-2-1 etc.
Not to mention the rhythm on that sheet is awfully inaccurate. The bassline is supposed to be in tuplets, or the whole song should be in 12/8 timing or something
Quote from: ThatGamer on August 17, 2015, 08:00:48 PMThere was this app, can't remember it's name, but you would put headphones in and sing along to a tune. Always thought that was dumb. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
Yes, it is really hard. Maybe if i take it slow it could work...
Just something in general with the site's music sheets and game music sheets: They are often very hard and mostly because the songs are not made to be played on piano. Some, as bloop said, it might also be difficult because of bad/old arrangement. In a lot of arrangements I find the bass to be difficult because of being so rhythmical and fast. It might be a wise idea to pick a song, not because it's your favorite song, but because it's either well-arranged and/or suitable for piano.
Well, that settles it. Time to request a replacement!
Hmmmmm.....I've been humbled. I didn't do very good on the test :/
Quote from: mariolegofan on August 18, 2015, 01:51:16 PMHmmmmm.....I've been humbled. I didn't do very good on the test :/
Better than me I'm sure, lol. if you did worse you have problems haha
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on August 17, 2015, 02:18:51 PMI have another good test for you guys to try. I need to find it. I got a 25/26 because I hadn't heard of one of the songs.
Not for sure if it actually tests perfect pitch, but it tests your sense of pitch in general.
Here (http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/tunetest/Pages/Default.aspx) is the test.
25/26 Awell.. I didn't know aproximately 10 samples but you can easily hear if they are out of tune.
a pretty good relative pitch and it's easier to learn probably because you hear 2 or more notes and it's about hearing the relation to the notes, if it sounds dissonant or not etc., while perfect pitch you hear 1 or more notes and you have to know/feel what note it is.
y true.
I also wonder: Sometimes when I arrange songs I maybe put an F note in my sheet, and I can almost hear the song "Adlehyde Castle" from Wild Arms, when the note plays. And the thing is that that song starts on a F, at least the bass. I wonder has this anything to do with Perfect Pitch?? Or is it just some memorization??
I guess you could use that to achieve perfect pitch if you practice?
I instinctively memorize the key a piece of music is in, so if I hear it in the wrong key, I get extremely annoyed. As a result, I have somewhat of a sense of perfect pitch by remembering the music. For example, I memorize A by remembering Melty Monster Galaxy from SMG2, C by remembering Luigi/Mario/Yoshi Circuit from MKDD, and D by memorizing Ghostly Galaxy from SMG and Megalovania from Undertale. There are a whole lot of other examples, too, but those ones are the most common ones that I remember.
Quote from: mastersuperfan on November 27, 2015, 10:02:41 AMI instinctively memorize the key a piece of music is in, so if I hear it in the wrong key, I get extremely annoyed. As a result, I have somewhat of a sense of perfect pitch by remembering the music. For example, I memorize A by remembering Melty Monster Galaxy from SMG2, C by remembering Luigi/Mario/Yoshi Circuit from MKDD, and D by memorizing Ghostly Galaxy from SMG and Megalovania from Undertale. There are a whole lot of other examples, too, but those ones are the most common ones that I remember.
^This is me.
I find it weird that, despite being a freshman at my uni, I'm one of the very few choir members to have relative pitch and be able to provide an in-tune C, A, E, etc. I just expected more people to be able to do it.
The difference from what you guys said above is that for me, when I play an F for example some song starting on an F sometimes pops up in my brain. Not like I put effort in remembering an F (although I have tried, and I remember an Bb quite well from being in the first note in the Zelda main theme), but more like it just song just appear.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on December 01, 2015, 10:26:30 AMThe difference from what you guys said above is that for me, when I play an F for example some song starting on an F sometimes pops up in my brain. Not like I put effort in remembering an F (although I have tried, and I remember an Bb quite well from being in the first note in the Zelda main theme), but more like it just song just appear.
This happens to me too but it's far more useful to have it work the other way around. So that's how I taught myself relative pitch. I just memorized bits and pieces of certain songs cuz I can sing those in tune.
I did the same thing for just about every note..
C- Rach 2 opening theme
C#- Liszt HR 2
D- Rach 3
E flat- Opening of the Chopin Op. 53, though now it's the beginning of the Liszt piano concerto in e flat
E- Chopin Etude Op 25/11, "Winter Wind"
F- Bach Invention No. 8 in F major
F#- Chopin mazurka in F sharp minor Op 6/1, now it's the Brahms second piano sonata
G- Chopin Op. 9/2
G#- Chopin Op. 64/2
A- Schubert Sonata in A minor (Op. Posthumous)
B flat- Chopin "Grande Valse Brilliante", Op. 18
B- Chopin 10/3
So many Chopin pieces.. though my love for Chopin is being quickly overtaken by my love for Schubert.