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Title: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Zeta on March 25, 2018, 07:22:57 AM
Submission Information:

Series: Other
Game: Aladdin
Console: Nintendo Entertainment System
Title: Prince Ali
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Jacopo Tore (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4805)

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Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Altissimo on March 25, 2018, 07:49:24 AM
Here:
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on May 05, 2018, 01:20:55 PM
Bump
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Sebastian on May 15, 2018, 07:43:59 AM
Here's a couple things to start with:
- The beaming you have for the left hand is wrong. The only place I've seen the detached eighth notes is in old hymnals. Go ahead and attach the beams of those notes.
- The question marks you have in place of the composer(s) and copyright information should be removed. Surely there is a place that you can find those things. I would recommend doing a little research. You can check Wikipedia, YouTube, and various other places for this information.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on May 17, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
bump
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Sebastian on May 17, 2018, 03:39:19 PM
Quote from: Altissimo on March 25, 2018, 07:49:24 AMHere: kMJnIYV-cWs
That's the wrong video, by the way. I don't feel like scrolling through that to find the right song.

This is a comparison of the two, but works. The first pertains to this sheet.

Feedback:
- You missed M. 18 (LH) concerning the beaming. It should be beamed this way, by the way:
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ekazwzqqd4239en/Screenshot%202018-05-17%2018.36.52.png?dl=1)
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- "Transcription" should be "Arrangement." Also, if you put "Arrangement by" then you should put "Composition by." If you want to leave "Composed by" then put "Arranged by" for the arranger.
- The copyright information should have the year the game was released:
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/oqa8glybajg6gvn/Screenshot%202018-05-17%2018.33.36.png?dl=1)
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- Also, I don't think the composer is right.

Notes sound correct. Get this stuff fixed and I'll approve.

Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Olimar12345 on May 17, 2018, 03:48:18 PM
You've posted the copyright info for the SNES version, not the submitted NES version.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on May 17, 2018, 03:50:35 PM
I do not find the copyright for NES version...
Probably is in 1992 but I don't know who is the publisher, could you help me?
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Sebastian on May 17, 2018, 04:00:21 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on May 17, 2018, 03:48:18 PMYou've posted the copyright info for the SNES version, not the submitted NES version.
Oh, whoops. I saw capcom and was like, "Here it is." xD

Quote from: JacopoTore on May 17, 2018, 03:50:35 PMI do not find the copyright for NES version...
Probably is in 1992 but I don't know who is the publisher, could you help me?
Here is the correct one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney's_Aladdin_(Virgin_Games_video_game)

The NES version was released in 1994.
For the copyright info put this: "Virgin Games, NMS Software © 1994"
Composers: Donald Griffin & Tommy Tallarico.

Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on May 17, 2018, 04:35:42 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Maelstrom on May 19, 2018, 08:40:44 AM
Feedback time:
1 - Formatting
No issues here
2 - Notes
-- The big thing:
Section 1 doesn't perfectly repeat. On the second time through, LH measure 1 beat 4 is B natural + D, and RH measure 4 beat 4.5 is actually F+Ab.
-RH
Looks fine
-LH
m6
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/jZe9m3P.jpg)
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m17 beat 4 - the C should be a G
3 - Theory/Performance
There's the obvious concerns about playability with the bassline being how it is, but I don't see an easy way to fix it, so I'm ok with leaving it how it is.

Fix all this and then I approve
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on May 19, 2018, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: Maelstrom on May 19, 2018, 08:40:44 AMFeedback time:
1 - Formatting
No issues here
2 - Notes
-- The big thing:
Section 1 doesn't perfectly repeat. On the second time through, LH measure 1 beat 4 is B natural + D, and RH measure 4 beat 4.5 is actually F+Ab.
-RH
Looks fine
-LH
m6
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/jZe9m3P.jpg)
[close]
m17 beat 4 - the C should be a G
3 - Theory/Performance
There's the obvious concerns about playability with the bassline being how it is, but I don't see an easy way to fix it, so I'm ok with leaving it how it is.

Fix all this and then I approve

Hi Maelstorm,
I'm really surprised by all the mistakes I made in this score!
I do not know how it is possible but listening to this music again I found the errors listed and others too! I'm trying to figure out how I got mad this way   : O
this is the only things I do not understood D:
Quoteand RH measure 4 beat 4.5 is actually F+Ab.
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Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Maelstrom on May 19, 2018, 11:14:06 AM
It's a 3rd. You currently have an Ab, but there should be a F below it to form a chord. This is only on the second time through.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on May 20, 2018, 01:12:48 PM
Is it right?
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Maelstrom on May 20, 2018, 01:45:24 PM
No. Ignore what I said about the repeat of measure 4 and change it back. I think I must have been hearing something because I forgot about the max. polyphony of the NES.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Sebastian on May 25, 2018, 06:09:25 AM
Bump for Jacopo so we can get this one accepted.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Maelstrom on May 25, 2018, 06:37:28 AM
He's currently away from internet, so he'll get back to us when he can.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Sebastian on May 25, 2018, 06:38:41 AM
Oh, ok. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on May 28, 2018, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: Maelstrom on May 25, 2018, 06:37:28 AMHe's currently away from internet, so he'll get back to us when he can.
Hi Maelstorm I'm back, I listened the song and I think the score is right, you are right about that and the (contemporary) notes are three. Thank you very much for the advice (the third repetition) I was fooled by the resemblance :) and the rush
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JDMEK5 on May 28, 2018, 06:31:42 PM
Reading off the PDF, I have some last formatting things:

- Margins seem kinda out of whack. Especially the top and right side. More space here please but reevaluate the others while you're at it.
- Lots of space at the bottom, but staves and copyright text is crammed together. Spread out please. Use all the space you have.
- Measure 12: Right hand holds an F, but left hand uses the same F on the off-beats. Consider substituting this note for another chord tone in the LH function, or omit this pitch. Or something else. Whatever you want really, so long as you have good reasons to justify it.
- Just to open the thought, since there is no dynamic variance at all throughout the piece (which I'm not saying is necessarily a problem), what if we don't use the forte at the beginning? Dynamics function as relevant to each other, so having one really doesn't have a ton of purpose. Leaving it open suggests the piece being open for individual interpretation, which is probably one of the best things that could be done in this piece. Unless you want to get more specific.

Otherwise a quaint score. Adequate so far as I can tell.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Maelstrom on May 31, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
Let's not start the "initial dynamic vs no initial dynamic" conversation again. Current policy is that sheets should have them.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on June 03, 2018, 10:50:41 AM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on May 28, 2018, 06:31:42 PMConsider substituting this note for another chord tone in the LH function, or omit this pitch. Or something else. Whatever you want really, so long as you have good reasons to justify it.
questa situazione si presenta spesso in spartiti di musica classica l'esecutore chiaramente lascia ribattere la nota alla sinistra (dovra essere abile il pianista a differenziare le tipologie di tocco tra la destra e la sinistra) in questo modo si sentirà una polifonia anche nell'unisono senza bisogno di dover inserire una pausa alla destra, ben diversa è la situazione di sue Fa scritti in entrambe le mani omoritmicamente, a quel punto si possono aggiungere delle parentesi alla nota "meno importante" o anche no. Quindi dato che la mia scelta è stata fatta questa è la giustificazione, ringrazio ancora Maelstorm per avermi fatto notare DAVVERO TANTI PARTICOLARI che ho stupidamente ignorato. Grazie davvero

Google Translate:

this situation is often presented in classical music scores, the performer clearly leaves the note to the left (the pianist will have to be able to differentiate between the right and the left) in this way a polyphony will be heard even in unison without having to insert a pause to the right, the situation of his Fa is written in both hands omoritmically, at which point you can add parentheses to the note "less important" or not. So since my choice was made this is the justification, thank you again Maelstorm for pointing out to me REALLY MANY DETAILS that I stupidly ignored. Thank you very much


P.S. I resized margins
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on June 03, 2018, 10:55:47 AM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on May 28, 2018, 06:31:42 PM- Just to open the thought, since there is no dynamic variance at all throughout the piece (which I'm not saying is necessarily a problem), what if we don't use the forte at the beginning? Dynamics function as relevant to each other, so having one really doesn't have a ton of purpose. Leaving it open suggests the piece being open for individual interpretation, which is probably one of the best things that could be done in this piece. Unless you want to get more specific.

for the dynamic Malestorm has already answered for me, when I transcribed the first sheet included on this site immediately I was asked to insert a dynamic, I replied that there was no dynamic that was all the same, but I was asked to however, insert an initial dynamic, so from the day I always put a f at the beginning of the score because the music for NES usually does not alternate dynamics...
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: JacopoTore on June 15, 2018, 04:05:50 AM
Quote from: Sebastian on May 25, 2018, 06:09:25 AMBump for Jacopo so we can get this one accepted.
Bump
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Sebastian on June 18, 2018, 04:07:21 PM
Discussed over discord. Nice work, Jacopo!

Also, I updated the layout slightly since it was a tad cramped.
Title: Re: [NES] Aladdin - "Prince Ali" by Jacopo Tore
Post by: Zeta on June 18, 2018, 04:07:26 PM
This submission has been accepted by Sebastian (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3424).

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