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ENTRIES!!!!!!
Bloop (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100796699/Variations%20on%20Kamaro%27s%20Dance.mus)
Olimar (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Surf/5%20VARIATIONS%20ON%20SURF.mus) [mp3] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Surf/5%20VARIATIONS%20ON%20SURF.mp3)
Clanker (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57307902/Five%20Variations%20on%20a%20Fiore%20Song.mus)
FierceDiety (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yov12p8qcvflaec/variations.mus?dl=0) SoundCloud (https://soundcloud.com/evan-wardells-music/variations-on-link-and-his-loftwing)
them (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1evuie0nce8lyzo/Instant%20of%20Eternity1.mus?dl=0)
FireArrow (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hol5g9b1ghbttfh/Yoshi.mus?dl=0)

And welcome back to the semi-regular NSM Arrangement Contest, where our wonderful arrangers test their creativity in reworking some VGM classics into new and exciting form and styles. I'll be your gracious host this time around, and after careful consideration the folks here at NSM Enterprises and Maestro Inc. have come to a consensus of the theme for this contest:

Theme and Variations

This time you will choose any theme you'd like to work with, and present the judges with a series of variations. (Exact number of variations required will be determined and announced at the start of the contest.)

Scoring Criteria

Your score will be based on the following criteria:
1) Orchestration: Do the instruments serve the music? A simple copy/paste would result in a low score, while a dynamic orchestration would yield something higher.
2) Preservation: does the arrangement make it clear what the original was while meeting the criteria? If the arrangement only makes a single reference to the original while it does something else entirely, then it'll get a low score.
3) Creativity: does the arrangement go beyond the criteria? If it only does the basic change, low score.
4) Criteria: does the arrangement meet the criteria for the challenge? If no, low score; barely, middle; totally, high.
5) Formatting: make sure your piece has the following information: a title, a subtitle(including the original song title and the game it's from), the composers name, and the arrangers name (either your NSM alias or real name). You get more points if you arrangement had other standard things such as measure numbers, dynamics, etc. (if such things apply to your piece). This category should result in easy points.
6) Popular vote: each entry gets a corresponding score from everyone who votes, an average from the votes for the piece out of all the votes.

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Previous Contests:
Arrangement Contest No. 1 in A "Praeludium" (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=3798.0)
Arrangement Contest No.2 in C "The Grand Dance" (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=4171.0)
Arrangement Contest No. 3 in G minor "Going Solo" (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=4437.0)
Arrangement Contest No. 4 in F diminished "Nightmarish Visions" (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6395.0)

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Sign up and perish.
Judges:
1. Maestro
2. MaryHadALittleFan
3. EnsignTruffle
4.

Players:
1. SlewPekomanz
2. Oblimartin11111111111111111
3. Eck
4. Blumpth
5. Friararrwwo
6. Clancey
7. Fracediet
8. Dansbabydans
9. CSNY
10. they

Wait. Sign up or perish.

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Once you've signed up, PM me with your song choice as soon as you decide. Cut-off times for sign-ups and song choices will be determined soon. Song choices are first come, first served. Anonymity of judging will be determined if the players want it.

Sign-up cut-off: Dec 26th.
Start: Dec 28th
Due date: Jan 23rd
Results: Jan 28th



Theme and Variations:
 - You must transcribe the original theme, unchanged and unaltered, before any of the variations.
 - You must have a minimum of 5 variations. Anything less will result in a score of "0".
 - You may not have more than 12 variations. Really anything more than 10 would probably be considered excessive (I would know), so anything more than 12 will result in a reduced score.
 - At least one variation must have a mode change from Major/Minor (depending on your piece's original key/mode) to the opposite. Major>Minor or Minor>Major.
 - At least one variation must be a significant meter change from the original, it cannot be a simple change in the pulse. For ex: 4/4>3/4; not 3/4>6/8. 2/4>6/8; not 2/2>4/4. If you have a question about this please ask me.

Also a couple of formatting things:
 - Please number your variations; it will help us keep track of each of them and allow us to comment on them better.
 - Please define the ends of the variations and transition sections with double bar lines, for the above reason.
 - I will update the grading rubric to reflect these additional formatting requirements.

A few reminders as well:
 - Please send your entries to me via PM, I will forward them to the other judges.
 - All you need to send me is an MUS file. Any supplemental materials (PDF, Audio file, Program, etc.) are appreciated but unnecessary.

In.

Knowing now that we're supposed to do orchestral arrangements I don't think I can do this one

^You can pick any ensemble you want. I'll probably make some odd non-traditional chamber ensemble ^^

Oh, and In.

You aren't supposed to make an orchestral arrangement, but the instrumentation you use must be practical and consistent. If you think you can do your best work for a solo piano or a string quartet, etc. Then use those ensembles for your arrangement.

I'll be a judge....

I'm in.

In x2, will think of a song later today

Just a reminder, please send me a link to the original piece you'd like to work with so I know what you're doing. Given the nature of this contest there's pretty much nothing off limits except for really long pieces.

Once I get a third judge we'll start figuring out the details of the exact requirements (how many variations minimum, anything specific we would like to see like a meter change, etc.) and proposed dates are:

Sign-up cut-off: Dec 26th.
Start: Dec 28th
Due date: Jan 16th
Results: Sometime between Jan 20-23rd, depends on if all the judges can get their stuff in sooner.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 22, 2014, 08:11:07 AMStart: Dec 28th
Due date: Jan 9th

I'd suggest we increase the arranging time. Less than two weeks is the shortest it's ever been.

What, can't handle it?

Last time we had a month to do it and 3/7 people didn't finish theirs. And two of them that did turned it in the week of the deadline.

True, but I also think this is a much easier contest this time around. We're not having to rework something into an exact style, you guys really have carte blanche this time around. This is also during a period free from school, which is why we've historically needed to make these contests so long since people were busy.

There's no way I could do it in 2 weeks lol
last time I had 3 hours every other day to do it
it would probably be a good idea for a longer deadline, esp. with people spending a lot of these 2 particular weeks with family.

I already extended it an additional week.

In all seriousness, this is supposed to be about the arranger's convenience. Why the rush?

Is three weeks a rush? If that's a problem for people then I'll add another week, but by then people will be back in school so I think it's a moot point on productivity.

On the contrary, being off school means being at home which means a lot of working and little free time to compose or arrange. That's my situation, anyway.

So four weeks then?

Also, do you guys want judging to be anonymous or not?

One month sounds good to me. I don't really care if it's anonymous or not, but if I had to choose I guess not anonymous?

Quote from: Echo on December 21, 2014, 10:39:27 PMI'm in.

yay me too

I'm in for this one. I have stacks of time for the next while, so I'll probably get this one done. Probably.

Mind putting my name correctly on the OP?

Is it not correct?

New Dates:
Sign-up cut-off: Dec 26th.
Start: Dec 28th
Due date: Jan 23rd
Results: Jan 28th

If we could get one more judge to round out the panel a bit more that'd be wonderful. I'll contact you all later tonight about details and what's expected from a judge.

If needed, I could be a judge.

I'll have time for this one! I'm in!

Quote from: FierceDeity on December 23, 2014, 09:23:20 PMI'll have time for this one! I'm in!

Awwww yeah-it's a party now!

pooh well now I feel tremendous pressure to at least try it :(
BUT I SHOULDN'T

Is there a required length for the theme and is there a required amount of variations?

No, and The judges will decide how many variations minimum are required.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 23, 2014, 09:48:46 PMThe judges will decide how many variations minimum are required.

4-5 should be a good average.

This contest hasn't even officially started and I'm already closing that 4-5 average
Maybe I should remove some repeats

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 23, 2014, 09:30:41 PMpooh well now I feel tremendous pressure to at least try it :(
BUT I SHOULDN'T

Then perhaps you'd rather judge? It'd probably be a great learning experience seeing what other people can and choose to do for this thing.

Can I join? :)

Quote from: dahans on December 24, 2014, 11:20:46 PMCan I join? :)

It's the man himself! Get in here, you! C:

Ok perfect...when is the deadline? Can I choose any theme I want?

I'm in :)

Dahans AND CLBGM come back for this? Man, this is going to be amazing!

Man, if only I were also competing, then this party would be 11/10.

must i transcribe the original theme too or just the arrangements?

The requirements will be posted once the contest actually begins.

Also a reminder:

You have until 11:59 PM CST Dec 26th, to sign-up and send me the piece you will be working with for the contest, otherwise you will not be allowed to compete.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 25, 2014, 03:21:24 PMAlso a reminder:

You have until 11:59 PM CST Dec 26th, to sign-up and send me the piece you will be working with for the contest, otherwise you will not be allowed to compete.

- Ive already sent you that, but I dont know where can i see my sent pms. Ill send you again just in case.
- I suppose If my theme choice is invalid ull let me know, right?

Yes and yes.

Seeing how there are 9 people entering...

In for judge.

I have sent the message. I am really looking forward to writing variations.

Just 13 hours left to sign up/send in your piece of choice before the cut-off time.

Here are some good model pieces to study if you need them:

Paganini - 24 Caprices Op.1 No.24

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Mozart - Violin Sonata No. 25 in F major (II)

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(Starts at 5:53 if the video doesn't auto-start there.

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Edward Elgar - Enigma Variations

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Contest will be set to begin 9:00pm CST tomorrow, at which point I''' post the exact requirements for this contest.

And just remember, you're all wonderful and talented.


Just not as much as me.

You are 34 minutes late. I am disappointed maestro, I excepted more from our perfect host.

Just working on some formatting things.

Theme and Variations:
 - You must present the original theme, unchanged and unaltered, before any of the variations.
 - You must have a minimum of 5 variations. Anything less will result in a score of "0".
 - You may not have more than 12 variations. Really anything more than 10 would probably be considered excessive (I would know), so anything more than 12 will result in a reduced score.
 - At least one variation must have a mode change from Major/Minor (depending on your piece's original key/mode) to the opposite. Major>Minor or Minor>Major.
 - At least one variation must be a significant meter change from the original, it cannot be a simple change in the pulse. For ex: 4/4>3/4; not 3/4>6/8. 2/4>6/8; not 2/2>4/4. If you have a question about this please ask me.

Also a couple of formatting things:
 - Please number your variations; it will help us keep track of each of them and allow us to comment on them better.
 - Please define the ends of the variations and transition sections with double bar lines, for the above reason.
 - I will update the grading rubric to reflect these additional formatting requirements.

A few reminders as well:
 - Please send your entries to me via PM, I will forward them to the other judges.
 - All you need to send me is an MUS file. Any supplemental materials (PDF, Audio file, Program, etc.) are appreciated but unnecessary.

And Begin!

Don't hesitate to ask for clarification or any other questions if you need it.

Here are my questions!

1.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 28, 2014, 08:03:59 PM- You must present the original theme, unchanged and unaltered, before any of the variations.

Does this means that I must transcribe the piece with the same instrumentation (mine's 8-bit lol)?

2.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 28, 2014, 08:03:59 PM- You must have a minimum of 5 variations. Anything less will result in a score of "0".

Can I change the style/genre (e.g. waltz, fugue, salsa, etc), harmonies and/or distribution of the motifs? or should it be classical-like variations? Example:
and the ones which Olimar posted...

3. Can I use VSTs and give u the MUS just for notation/reading purpose?

1. No. You just must present the original music (notes, pitches, rhythms) faithfully before setting variations.

2. Go wild.

3. All you need to give me is a functioning MUS files. Anything else is supplemental.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 28, 2014, 08:52:42 PM1. No. You just must present the original music (notes, pitches, rhythms) faithfully before setting variations.

2. Go wild.

3. All you need to give me is a functioning MUS files. Anything else is supplemental.

1. So no transcription? Just a link, e.g. a YT link? Or a transcription with all the right notes for, let's say, piano solo?

2. k

3. k

1. Yes you need to transcribe it, how you choose to do so is up to you.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 28, 2014, 08:03:59 PMTheme and Variations:
 - You must present the original theme, unchanged and unaltered, before any of the variations.

Does the original theme have to be the entire song or can it only be the A section?

It has to be whatever you are varying.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 28, 2014, 10:01:53 PMIt has to be whatever you are varying.

Well like, could I do the first 30-60 seconds of the piece or something? Because if not, I'd like to request to change my piece. There's no way I can finish this in time if I have to both transcribe the entire thing and make variations (sry but I'm a slow ass transcriber.)

As long as you transcribe what you intend to vary (meaning if you chose to only use an A section) then it is acceptable.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 28, 2014, 10:11:13 PMAs long as you transcribe what you intend to vary (meaning if you chose to only use an A section) then it is acceptable.

rejoice
yay

Is it better or worse for our first statement of the theme to be exactly the same (orchestration and all) as the original?

Quote5) Formatting: make sure your piece has the following information: a title, a subtitle(including the original song title and the game it's from), the composers name, and the arrangers name (either your NSM alias or real name). You get more points if you arrangement had other standard things such as measure numbers, dynamics, etc. (if such things apply to your piece). This category should result in easy points.

I would like to remind our judges (particularly our newer ones) about the freedom of the formatting section. Since these arrangements are in no way going to be hosted on the main site, G-Han's formatting guidelines in the submission board don't apply here. Only grade for the fields specified in the quote above, which comes from the op. (Wouldn't want to repeat mistakes from the past d: ) 

Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 29, 2014, 01:00:24 AMI would like to remind our judges (particularly our newer ones) about the freedom of the formatting section. Since these arrangements are in no way going to be hosted on the main site, G-Han's formatting guidelines in the submission board don't apply here. Only grade for the fields specified in the quote above, which comes from the op. (Wouldn't want to repeat mistakes from the past d: )

;)

I think I'll be alright here.

can i do the variations on separate MUS files? :=)

Quote from: CLBGM on January 01, 2015, 02:40:30 PMcan i do the variations on separate MUS files? :=)

I believe that would be multiple arrangements, and we're only doing one. If it is a finale limitation issue, I or others here would be glad to help you ^^

Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 01, 2015, 02:43:58 PMI believe that would be multiple arrangements, and we're only doing one. If it is a finale limitation issue, I or others here would be glad to help you ^^

I know how variations scores are written, but ill be using different instruments for each variation/arrangement and it would be more comfortable if i write them on separate files. Oh well, if it's not possible then, I think ill be omitting some playback features.

If you're using a full version of finale (or another version which might have one: I'm only comfortable with the full version), you can hide staves via the staff tool. I'm using it too. It hides an instrument for a whole line of measures as long as it doesn't play anything.

Please only submit one MUS file.

Quote from: Bloop on January 01, 2015, 03:04:17 PMIf you're using a full version of finale (or another version which might have one: I'm only comfortable with the full version), you can hide staves via the staff tool. I'm using it too. It hides an instrument for a whole line of measures as long as it doesn't play anything.

Thanks, but I already knew that. I'm talking about playback issues (dynamics, panning, etc). It's just a comfort matter, If I can't it's ok...

Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 01, 2015, 03:07:08 PMPlease only submit one MUS file.

k

If you're that worried about the playback, you can hide dynamics. 

Just two weeks left! I hope all of you are making progress and didn't just forget about the contest.

Got teh theme done and half of one variation. ^_^

For percussion parts, is it ok if I don't do the whole key and everything, and just label the instruments as they're played? A key/multiple parts would be kind of obnoxious and time consuming for something that's not being performed :/

Can't you just do like a percussion line

Quote from: FierceDeity on January 09, 2015, 11:41:56 PMFor percussion parts, is it ok if I don't do the whole key and everything, and just label the instruments as they're played? A key/multiple parts would be kind of obnoxious and time consuming for something that's not being performed :/

Idk what maestro will say, but that sounds like a normal thing to me d:

As long as we can tell what's supposed to be played, I don't care how you notate it. It's not unusual to have various percussion instrument on the same line if they're to be played by the same person.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 10, 2015, 09:57:30 AMAs long as we can tell what's supposed to be played, I don't care how you notate it. It's not unusual to have various percussion instrument on the same line if they're to be played by the same person.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 10, 2015, 05:15:34 AMCan't you just do like a percussion line

^_^

Just one week left!

As a reminder please send an MUS to me via PM.

Oh fuck, this is still a thing. *Hurriedly arranges*

Damn I busy with a vgm project and just finished today, and I just transcribed the thing T_T Ill try my best.

Time's almost up! Just two days left until deadline.

Cut-off for submissions will be 11:00PM EST on Friday, 1/23/2015. I will offer a 6-hour grace period after that for late entries, but you will lose 5 points from your overall score. Anything after that is out of luck.

Ugh you sound like one of my college professors

Hey, there's a prize at stake here and I'm not going to offer it to people who can't meet a month-long deadline.

Sorry... I am also not able to finish it in time :P haha

Perhaps a deadline extension is in order? Lord knows I could use some more time to finish mine up.

am i the only one around here who can actually finish stuff within deadlines

This happened to last contest too, and the time is about the same time (and this time with holidays). I'm not sure whether the entries are late because of too little time, or just bad planning.

Hey, I finished my entry on time!  Of course it's probably because I didn't realize it was supposed to be fully orchestrated and all that jazz so whoops
but still.

I was originally planning to do a piano-only piece, but eh, I got another idea..

No extensions. You guys should've said something sooner if you needed more time, not two days before its due. It's not fair to those of you who actually completed it within the timeframe.

Can I ask for a 4 hour extension without point deduction? 11:00 EST is 8:00 for me, whereas I start most of my internetz stuff around 10:00.

No.

rood

I'm not going to give you special favors for the reason I explained just above.

cheerful contest for teh funzies has become snobby and uptight. Where has the fun gone?

Fun goes away when there's money on the line. Besides, I'm a stickler for deadlines.

we've had money on the line before and had fun : /

Then I guess I won't host this again in the future, but until then you all had four weeks to do this. I've already received entries, so no, in fairness to them and whoever else will turn theirs in on time, no extensions. Period.

waitwaitwait
there's money on the line?
.-.

There's a prize, yes.

I don't know why you guys are taking issue with this. You knew Friday was the due date, and it's not like this is some big revelation that if you miss a deadline you fail or otherwise disqualified.

Yeah I get your trying to be souper professional and whatnot, but remember that it isn't all about the prize you know. d: lol you don't have to be a stickler about it. It would be more fun imo if we could accommodate some others and have a greater turnout than be exactly punctual about it because "that's what we said at the beginning." Things come up, plans change, it's called life, dude. Either way, I'll have my piece ready in time, but I don't think a couple days extra would cause a calamity. d:

I have no qualms, we were given plenty of headway about the deadline, Olimar ^.^

Yeah, I'm usually pretty pissed about strict deadlines but this one is pretty reasonable

Oh, I'll finish on time, I just wont have as much variations as I'd like.

Quote from: FireArrow on January 21, 2015, 10:03:57 PMOh, I'll finish on time, I just wont have as much variations as I'd like.

This is me as well. I don't really mind the deadline. We have had four weeks to do this. It's not as if this is such a surprise.

Just about 10 hours left. I'll post all the entries sometime tomorrow for the poll.

I'm a bit confused on the meter change. Does 4/4 --> 3/4 give me credit for it or do I need to go into a compound time signature?

Basically nothing that could just be considered double or half time of the previous meter, to my knowledge. Because he gives both simple to simple (3/4 and 4/4) and simple to compound (2/4 to 6/8) as acceptable examples.

Goddamn 40min late
Well, it's a rushed piece of crap anyways.

Looking forward to seeing what everyone else did. ^_^

No poll, no arrangements ???

Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 23, 2015, 10:52:52 AMJust about 10 hours left. I'll post all the entries sometime tomorrow for the poll.

cough cough cough cough deadlines cough cough cough cough

5 point deduction for you sir

Things came up, but the judging is 66% complete.

Quote from: FireArrow on January 25, 2015, 12:18:12 AMcough cough cough cough deadlines cough cough cough cough

5 point deduction for you sir

Hahahahahaha you win, sir!!

Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 25, 2015, 07:16:08 AMThings came up, but the judging is 66% complete.

Is it your judging that's 66% done, or 66% of all judging?

Double post: how long will the poll be open? You put the 28th as the end, which gives us three days for voting lol. (Well that might be enough time, idk. Seems shorter than usual though.)

I'll extend the poll, let it run for a full week. Two of the three judges are finished, but my third is MIA.

Can't popular vote go along simultaneously with judging? I doubt people voting is gonna create any bias.

hmmm which judge could possibly be mia /sarcasm

^that is kinda weird. Polls have usually gone up simultaneously with the judging. I wonder if there is a reason for the change, or if its more hypocritical "things coming up." d:

Also what a great new avatar you have, FA! :J (I need to finish Kill la Kill...)

The reason is I just didn't put them up yet. Judging was done pretty much as they were turned in, so really all that remains is the popular vote.

Polls up, you get 7 days.

Make it your vote count!

Good guy Olimar, does an MP3. That deserves an extra 5 points!

Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 25, 2015, 12:22:51 PMAlso what a great new avatar you have, FA! :J (I need to finish Kill la Kill...)

Ugh, it's so good, I can't even write an emoticon to express my obsession.
I'm straight for Nui too ^~^

Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 25, 2015, 03:52:56 PMPolls up, you get 7 days.

Make it your vote count!

What, no piece titles, original game/piece/YouTube links, or any other info besides our names? I guess it'll be until I get to a computer...

Nope, nope, nope.

11/10 bad host

Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 25, 2015, 05:31:45 PM11/10 bad host

Hey, I took on the role when no one else stepped up.

Boohoo? 11/10 lame excuse

stfu olimar

Let's take the "s" and "t" out of "stfu", add an "n" to the end, and comment on the wonderful arrangements everyone's made.

but i can only listen to olimar's and fierce's until after 8  hours because there's no finale app for android

Quote from: FireArrow on January 25, 2015, 10:44:05 PMLet's take the "s" and "t" out of "stfu", add an "n" to the end, and comment on the wonderful arrangements everyone's made.

Obligatory personal text

well thats androids fault
bad android
be more like apple and support flash

but android thingy is cuter than an apple

(finally got to listen to them)
Nice work everyone! Every one of them were pretty special ^^ Can't wait for the results!

honestly i'd let fiercedeity do me while his song is playing on the background just saying it's amazing

Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 26, 2015, 08:22:08 AMhonestly i'd let fiercedeity do me while his song is playing on the background just saying it's amazing

ftfy

Alright, I'll try to restrain myself from commenting further on maestro's half-assed job efforts. (I suppose it is better than nothing d: )

WOW! GREAT pieces all around! This has been one of the greatest turnouts I think we've ever had! The quality of musical craftsmanship is top-notch throughout all of the submitted works! Kudos to everyone!

Double post, here's one of these:


"Variations on Kamaro's Dance" (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100796699/Variations%20on%20Kamaro%27s%20Dance.mus) for orchestra, by Bloop
Based on "Kamaro's Dance" from the Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

Original

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"5 Variations on Surf" (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Surf/5%20VARIATIONS%20ON%20SURF.mus) for wind quartet, by Olimar12345
[MP3 Download] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/comps/Surf/5%20VARIATIONS%20ON%20SURF.mp3) (plays more than finale will d: )
Based on "Surf" from Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal Versions

Original

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"Five Variations on a Fiore Song" (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57307902/Five%20Variations%20on%20a%20Fiore%20Song.mus) for wind ensemble, by Clanker37
Based on "Ranger Base" from Pokémon Ranger and Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia

Original

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"Variations on 'Link and His Loftwing'" (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yov12p8qcvflaec/variations.mus?dl=0) for orchestra, by FierceDiety

SoundCloud

[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/evan-wardells-music/variations-on-link-and-his-loftwing[/soundcloud]

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Based on "Link and His Loftwing" from The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

Original

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"Instant of Eternity" (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1evuie0nce8lyzo/Instant%20of%20Eternity1.mus?dl=0) for solo piano, by them
Based on "Instant of Eternity" from Bravely Default

Original

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"Theme and Variations on Yoshi's World" (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hol5g9b1ghbttfh/Yoshi.mus?dl=0) for chamber ensemble, by FireArrow
Based on "Yoshi's World" from Tetris Attack

Original

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Nice! Looks better imo :p

Don't be mean to Maestro! He's worked very hard on this contest! At least in some way, I'm sure...

Anyway, what a wonderful contest! And with a 60% success rate. Muchly improved on the last one's 57%...Those stats would make a lovely graph...

It would appear that, due to popular demand, this will be my last time hosting the Arrangement contest.

Not like I would've volunteered again, since I much prefer competing than standing around judging everyone.

Praise post 2.0:

Bloop, once again you have outdone yourself. I loved variations 3, 5, & 6. Var. 3 caught me off guard, in a great way, haha. Good stuff!

them: I love your arrangement! Less truly is more-you know your way around a piano quite professionally!

Clanker: You have improved so much since the early contest days! I can hear Grant Kirkhope in your writing!

Yeah, them's felt like a professionally made piano arrangement. Clanker's was pretty outstanding aswell.

bloop's being good isn't a surprise

Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 26, 2015, 09:49:42 AMIt would appear that, due to popular demand, this will be my last time hosting the Arrangement contest.

Not like I would've volunteered again, since I much prefer competing than standing around judging everyone.

cough cough cough composition contest cough cough cough

Sorry, I think I'm coming down with the "redeeming yourself" virus.

Achoo!

ASDFRANDOMKEYSTYPEDINFRUSTRATIONTHATAREN'TACTUALLYINTUITIVEBECAUSEI'MONAPHONE

So I typed out a pretty decent response to each arrangement and then I was just about to listen to FA's when my computer just overheated like hell and died, so I kinda lost them. But here's the gist:

Bloop:
YEEEEEE MM ARRANGEMENT. I really think you did justice to the feeling of the game, and I really like how you too advantage of the similarities with majora's theme! I also agree with olimar on the third variation, that was fucking awesome.

Olimar:
Heh, I KNEW you were gonna take this in a jazzy direction. I love this theme, and I really like how it works with the different directions you took it. The last theme is so pretty :3

Clanker:
Oh, neat, a wind ensemble arrangement! You know, not enough people reallyWHERE THE FUCK IS THE EUPHONIUM
THAT'S IT
I'M OUT
I QUIT MUSIC


...actually though, I really liked this, haha. I can also hear grant kirkhope in your writing, and I feel you used the theme to effectively represent a lot of distinct moods. One recommendation I would make, though, is to take more advantage of the brass section; they're a pretty distinct feature of the wind band, and their capabilities are often underestimated! Also, CMON REALLY NO EUPHONIUM IN THE GROUP WHERE IT'S REALLY SUPPOSED TO SHINE UGGGGGHHHHHH

Them:
I do like the simplicity in this piece, especially considering you seem to use it as a developmental strategy; the rise in intensity up to/during variation V is much more effective with a simpler beginning. I also like your usage of first/second endings; they help the piece work more as a narrative while fitting within a more traditional framework. If there's one thing I'd recommend, though, it's to give more opportunity for expression by the player; dynamics make all the difference in the world, especially when it comes to solo piano pieces!

Firearrow I will listen to your piece as soon as my computer situation is figured out, haha. I'm looking forward to hearing it!

Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 26, 2015, 08:22:08 AMhonestly i'd let fiercedeity do me while his song is playing on the background just saying it's amazing

:D!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!

Oh and maestro, jokes aside, I really do appreciate you doing this. You do have to admit that it's kind of funny after the whole timeliness discussion, though :P

Perhaps we could establish a system where the winner of each contest hosts the next one?

Quote from: FierceDeity on January 26, 2015, 03:15:25 PMPerhaps we could establish a system where the winner of each contest hosts the next one?

Hell no. No, because in the off chance I actually win one of these things I don't want to host again.

Quote from: FierceDeity on January 26, 2015, 03:15:25 PMjazz

?? No part of my arrangement was jazz though...

Quote from: FierceDeity on January 26, 2015, 03:15:25 PMPerhaps we could establish a system where the winner of each contest hosts the next one?

Now there's an idea! And lol I'm sure no one will object to omitting maestro from this, not even maestro.

Excellent job everyone! I really like how cool these themes are.

It's really hard to pick a favorite. I like how hypnotizing Bloop's arrangement is, and I also agree with FireArrow how his piece works well as a waltz.

It's really a shame that I can't zoom in for the bigger orchestral arrangements, and how some of the Finale playbacks sound like a solo piano instead of different instruments (on my end, at least).

Thanks for the critique, FierceDeity. I get what you're saying, and I think you really get what my piece is about.

Good luck to all! ;D

Oh olimar, I did the GBA version. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g06R0EtfTT0)

Quote from: them on January 26, 2015, 07:29:05 PMIt's really a shame that I can't zoom in for the bigger orchestral arrangements, and how some of the Finale playbacks sound like a solo piano instead of different instruments (on my end, at least).

I had that problem too. You need to turn off Enable Human Playback, MIDI Through, and then hit Reassign Playback Sounds. All in the MIDI tab at the top

Quote from: FireArrow on January 26, 2015, 07:31:56 PMOh olimar, I did the GBA version. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g06R0EtfTT0)

Whoops! I updated the link in that post.

Quote from: FierceDeity on January 26, 2015, 03:15:25 PMWHERE THE FUCK IS THE EUPHONIUM

It was in the piece to begin with, but then it had nothing to play, so.... Also I'm relatively clueless when it comes to euphonium, so I wouldn't have done it any justice. I will make it up to you next time.

I would also comment to individual pieces, but there's only so many ways I can say "It be good." Also, I'm lazy :P

Quote from: Clanker37 on January 26, 2015, 09:43:50 AMDon't be mean to Maestro! He's worked very hard on this contest! At least in some way, I'm sure...

Very True!

Great job everyone! :)

I see maestro is a mod...

Euphonium is a shitty, shitty instrument... imo

i have no actual idea how any woodwind/brass instrument works but i still write for them because

Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 27, 2015, 10:56:59 AMEuphonium is a shitty, shitty instrument... imo

Lol you usually see this comment from people who haven't heard enough eupho lit (or any at all d: ) The instrument is fantastic, there's just not much inclusion for it in regular ensembles due to its relatively new-ness (similar to saxophone).

Wow!  Fierce, your variations on Crimson Loftwing are absolutely beautiful.  No other way to describe it.

Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 27, 2015, 01:04:44 PMLol you usually see this comment from people who haven't heard enough eupho lit (or any at all d: ) The instrument is fantastic, there's just not much inclusion for it in regular ensembles due to its relatively new-ness (similar to saxophone).

Nah crazy brass players have raved about how beautiful it is and they make me listen to euphonium pieces and it's just kind of gross like French horn is infinitely better. A lot of brass instruments make me want to throw up tho

wut

The Euphonium has its uses, but I've found no need for it within my own works and arrangements yet. I find it's best for off stage brass ensembles, combined with a couple of trumpets and a trombone.

Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 27, 2015, 02:43:42 PMNah crazy brass players have raved about how beautiful it is and they make me listen to euphonium pieces and it's just kind of gross like French horn is infinitely better. A lot of brass instruments make me want to throw up tho

lol
those crazy brass players, pretending they know shit about brass
like how the registers and functional velocities of different instruments aren't just interchangeable for extremely mild timbral swaps
Also idk what other brass instruments you could possibly be talking about, but unless it's something other than trumpet, french horn, trombone, tuba, or their variants, have fun disagreeing with basically everyone, I guess

Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 27, 2015, 03:43:33 PMThe Euphonium has its uses, but I've found no need for it within my own works and arrangements yet. I find it's best for off stage brass ensembles, combined with a couple of trumpets and a trombone.

No yeah, it's situational, to be sure. It's a lot more necessary in wind band though, on the account of the fact that there are few viable substitutes for cello that can actually have both velocity and timbral weight. Its only real use in the orchestra is as a solo instrument (speaking more generally of the tenor tuba family, for which Holst, Mussorgsky, and Mahler wrote pretty goddamn well), so I can easily understand why it's not more common there.

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Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 27, 2015, 02:06:26 PMWow!  Fierce, your variations on Crimson Loftwing are absolutely beautiful.  No other way to describe it.

Though I'm sure this was mostly for the joke about the name discretion, still, thank you haha

Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 26, 2015, 04:31:15 PM?? No part of my arrangement was jazz though...

Dat improvisational feel bari solo begs to differ, lol
Also, 3:50 and 4:40 definitely seem jazz-inspired, at the very least
Idk, maybe I'm just really not accustomed to hearing saxes, particularly tenor+bari, within a classical setting (aside from standard wind band stuff). It's a shame finale playback (especially the non-HP MIDI) has so few sound possibilities; I take it you're probably thinking of a much warmer, less nasal sound for this.

Quote from: them on January 26, 2015, 07:29:05 PMIt's really a shame that I can't zoom in for the bigger orchestral arrangements, and how some of the Finale playbacks sound like a solo piano instead of different instruments (on my end, at least).

You should be able to zoom in on all versions of finale, I believe. 2012 notepad definitely has the capability, though only to specific preset %'s. I think it should still be under the "view" tab? Though, no version (that I'm aware of) really has the ability to move around to different sections (in terms of parts, not measure #) of the score while playing; if anybody knows of a way to do that successfully in 2011 that'd be awesome

Quote from: FierceDeity on January 27, 2015, 07:24:36 PMDat improvisational feel bari solo begs to differ, lol
Also, 3:50 and 4:40 definitely seem jazz-inspired, at the very least
Idk, maybe I'm just really not accustomed to hearing saxes, particularly tenor+bari, within a classical setting (aside from standard wind band stuff). It's a shame finale playback (especially the non-HP MIDI) has so few sound possibilities; I take it you're probably thinking of a much warmer, less nasal sound for this.

Not at a computer, but if you're referring to variation 3, dotted eighth-sixteenth =/= jazz eighths. There is such a thing as classical saxophone, as was their original intent. As for sound quality, you'll have to take finale's playback with a grain of salt.

Quote from: FierceDeity on January 27, 2015, 07:24:36 PMThough I'm sure this was mostly for the joke about the name discretion, still, thank you haha

what name discretion that was just a bonus  ;D
It was mostly for praise

Nice job everyone! And sorry again for not submitting even a single measure. But unfortunately business school was keeping me a little busy :)
But the next time, take care and there will be one more serious opponent!

Final results will be posted as soon as I get home tonight, around 10-ish CST.

Just want to say congratulations to all who participated, you're all winners in my book.

Some of you are just more winningerest than others.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on February 01, 2015, 08:52:14 AM10-ish

THIS is how you put in a deadline

MLF's Scores:

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Bloop: 45/50

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Here is Bloop's Score

1) Orchestration: 9/10. He does a very good job at keeping a dynamic Orchestration.

2) Preservation: 10/10. Excellent Preservation. He did a great job at keeping the original involved.

3) Creativity: 7/10.

4) Criteria: 9/10
- He has a perfect amount of variations.
- He has a mode change.
- A significant meter change is involved (4/4 to 12/8)

5) Formatting: 10/10
Perfect Formatting.

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Olimar: 49/50

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1. Orchestration: 10/10
He did an excellent job on the Orchestration. Very Dynamic!

2. Preservation: 9/10

3. Creativity: 10/10
Amazingly Creative!

4. Criteria: 10/10
He has the transription.
He has 5 Variations.
He changes modes....several times.
He significantly changes time signatures.
Double bar lines are there. And numbers.

5. Formatting: 10/10
A+ Formatting.

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Clanker: 42/50

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1. Orchestration: 7/10
Great! Tad.....just a tad repetitive.

2. Preservation: 8/10
Excellent!

3. Creativity: 8/10
Very Good!

4. Criteria: 10/10
Original Theme is transcribed.
5 Variations are present.
Mode change is present.
4/4 to 6/8....
Variations are numbered.
Double bar lines present.

5. Formatting: 9/10

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FireArrow: 37/50

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1. Orchestration: 10/10
He did a very sweet job at really mixing this orchestration very well!

2. Preservation: 9/10
Preservation of the original is excellent!

3. Creativity: 8/10
Pretty Basic here.

4. Criteria: 0/10
Transcription present.
About 6 variations present.
Major/Minor mode change present.
4/4 > 3/4 isn't very significant.
Variation aren't numbered.
Double Bar lines present.

5. Formatting: 10/10
Again....A+ fromatting

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FierceDiety: 36/50

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1. Orchestration: 8/10
Great Orchestration. A few copy/pastes...

2. Preservation: 10/10
Excellent. Amazing!

3. Creativity: 8/10
Pretty basic. Some are very creative though.

4. Criteria: 0/10
Only 4 variations.
Rest of criteria present.

5. Formatting: 10/10
Outstanding Format.

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them: 47/50

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1. Orchestration: 8/10
Pretty Standard.

2. Preservation: 10/10
Perfect!

3. Creativity: 9/10
Very Creative with every variation.

4. Criteria: 10/10
6 Variations.
Mode Change Present.
Significent Time change present.
Variations are numbered.
Double Bar Lines Present.

5. Formatting: 10/10
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Olimar: 43/50

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Orchestration:
A very eclectic group, but it works for how you utilized it. Of course it could've just as easily worked for a string quartet, but hey. 8/10

Preservation:
Thanks to the distinct chords progression of the piece you used, it was very easy to tell what was going on with each variation. 9/10

Creativity:
While this was well executed, I didn't think you really went beyond what was expected of you. This came across as more of a textbook example of variations, leaning on the more technical side of the Baroque style. That's a perfectly fine, but it can get a bit same-y if you're not careful.
Var. 1) This was a neat take on the theme, and I think a wise choice as your first variation. Those strong accents really went a long way to establishing it's musical identity. The ending felt like you pulled the E-brake which just killed the moment, though.
2) Your Passacaglia was well done, and a real highlight of the whole work.
3) This one was very Russian, I felt. It also felt like you were fighting against the material to get it to work, especially with those rapid meter changes at the end. Well done, but just not my cup of tea I suppose. The atonality was a nice change of pace, but far too academic for my tastes.
4) Those triplets really knock you off your feet. Not much else for me to comment on as that's really the only thing here.
5) The final variation came across as two, really. You had this long stretch of the material just kind of floating, before you returned to something more fitting of actual Pokemon music. The 2 against 3 ryhthms are always fun. 8/10

Criteria:
You met all of the requirements except for one: you didn't section off the transitional passages. Unless there were none and you just wrote half your variations to just lose themselves at the end. Other than that spot on. 9/10

Formatting:
I would certainly hope you got the formatting correct. But you got your copyright wrong by not crediting the original publisher.  9/10

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Clanker: 39/50

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Orchestration:
You chose to use a band, and I think you used it fairly well. Though there wasn't a lot of color utilized you varied the orchestration for each variation which was nice. Though the copy/paste was a bit overbearing. 7/10

Preservation:
The melody is very clear at all times, almost too much at times. 9/10

Creativity:
You basically just went through each variation like a check for all of the requirements, not to say you did them badly. Overall it felt like the original melody never went anywhere, it was just slightly filtered through these different requirements.
Var. 1) You implemented this sort of mordent figure to the theme, with the snare still going.
2) Super Banjo-Kazooie in feeling. Overall it just felt like you were cramming the theme into 6/8, though.
3) This one you introduced a counter melody, combined with the shift to minor was a nice change of pace.
4) This was hardly a variation, I felt. You just applied a trill at the end of each phrase.
5) You went with a swing take for the final variation, which was a fun finale. It did, however, just feel like the second variation again but with some more zest. 6/10

Criteria:
You met all of the necessary criteria, but your variations weren't properly labelled. You placed text on the page and didn't attach them to measures which resulted in them just floating above the music, not clrealy indicating the variations. Var. 4 was actually above the start of Var 5. 9/10

Formatting:
You've got all the necessary info. However this could've benefitted from hiding the excess staves to make it a bit more readable; and the issue with the varition markers above kind of hurt you. 8/10.

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Them: 43/50

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Orchestration:
You opted to use a solo piano, and for how you used it worked very well. 7/10

Preservation:
The melody was very clear at all times, and with as something as clear and distinct as the mordent in the melody, it really shines through. 9/10

Creativity:
Your choice of solo piano gave you a unique pallate of direction to choose from, and overall I think you did really well with it. You also had each variation lead into the next with no breaks or transitions, giving it an overall sense of cohesion. Your choice to keep the repeats actually worked to your favor, given how short the piece would otherwise be.
Var. 1) The first one put a bit of a spring in your step, feeling like a tango of sorts. The interplay between the melody and harmony create a nice rhythmic texture.
2) You shift to major and just break my heart with that beautiful take on the mordent figure but going into a dimished chord for it. Your B-section here actually moves in E-flat, which was very well done.
3) Ragtime. I mean I suppose every set of piano varitions made since 1905 should have at least one in ragtime, but yours was fairly textbook Joplin.
4) Your move into 12/8 was nice, but it felt more like an excerise in scales for the right hand.
5) Here you kind of tapped into a bit a Beethoven-esque fury. Those strong octaves created a nice countermelody for the runs in the right hand.
6) This seemed more like an alternate take on the original theme rather than a full variation, which is a shame seeing as how you ended with it rather than the one before. 8/10

Criteria:
You hit all the neccessary marks and went one variation further than required. 10/10

Formatting:
You got most of everything, except for the proper copyright. 9/10

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FierceDiety: 34/50

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Orchestration:
You opted to use a symphonic orehstra and demonstarted an excellent control and command of the beast. You knew what you were using and used it well, though the actual coloring of the work could been more varied, I feel. Db, however, is a nasty key for the orchestra at large, so a transpiotion would've served this piece far better. 9/10

Preservation:
One of the benfits of choosing such a lyrical theme is that it should always shine through no matter what you do to it. And shine on it did. 10/10

Creativity:
Overall the work felt like it developed organically and the variations came across more as thematic transformation, which is so much more sastifying in this context.
Var. 1) You shifted into minor at the start and remained there for most of the piece, which was an interesting direction. Here you largely just treated the mode change as the end-all for the variation, with an added countermelody for contrast.
2) The second finally has some playing with the melody, and it seems like you saved some of you creative energies from the first variation and put them all here.
3) A shift in 4/4, and it seems like your inner Beethoven wanted to creep out, heavily filtered through the temperament of Brahms, with a pit stop through Kirkhope. This is the real climax of the piece and leads rather well in to the finale.
4) Back into Major, and with a real nice overall grandioso section. It was a wonderful finale, it gave great closer that called back to the opening. Gives the work a very Liszt-ian kind of structure.
5) Inapplicable. 8/10

Criteria:
You missed a variation, and they weren't clearly marked and as such I can't give you anything but a zero. It's a shame too because this was rather well done, overall. 0/10

Formatting:
All the necessary components are there except for the copyright. Also, you've got text just strewn over the score on page 11. Some of those empty staves could've been optimized and your variations weren't clearly marked. 7/10

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Bloop: 45/50

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Orchestration:
You went with a full orchestra, but took it in a more modern direction but having each variation call for different forces within the orchestra. Overall it was an interesting approach and gave each variation its own flavor. 9/10

Preservation:
Your choice of such a short, yet distinct piece meant you had to take care to make sure it was recognizable in all of its guises. And it was, good work. 10/10

Creativity:
The nature of the piece and your orchestration direction gave it an overall Prokofiev-esque tone with each variation. However, given how short this piece is and you variations in turn are, you never really explored or expanded on the ideas within the theme. While changing the context of the theme is very appropriate for theme and variations, you also need to change the theme itself in some respect.
1) You introduced a percussion element that would remain throughout the piece, though you didn't really alter the piece, just added a harmony.
2) A fairly standard march variation, but you didn't real do much with the theme yet again, just removed the ornaments.
3) You shifted to 12/8 and created an unsettling backing to the theme, and it created an unearthly feel. The melody finally sees some real development as it kind of slides all over the place above this backing.
4) You shifted into major, 4/4, and while short saw some real interesting takes on the chord progression.
5) Return to minor and now in 5/4. This was your most inventive variation as this meter had you warping the melody into what could only be described as some sort of funeral dirge.
6) You tap into another element from the game and gave this one a more programatic feel.
7) You choose to end it all with what can only be considered a music semi-colon. It makes the work as a whole feel incomplete and it unfortunately takes away from it all. 6/10

Criteria:
You met all the necessary criteria and went beyond with 2 additional variations. 10/10

Formatting:
Your score is formatted well and even optimized for ease of reading. 10/10

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FireArrow: 32/50

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Orchestration:
You went with a perculiar chamber group, A sort of Violin and Wind Ouartet. A different choice, but one that worked for this rather lighthearted piece. However you need to watch some of those ranges, especially that low horn. You also include the violin for only one variation, but given how short it all is it's mostly forgivable. 9/10

Preservation:
The theme was present and clear at all times, and given the nature of how bouncy and bouyant the original it makes it hard to hide it. 9/10

Creativity:
Overall I feel the work comes across as "I'm trying to do alot of things, but I'm not show how or the best way to do them."
1) Your first hardly counts as a variation, you just reworked the rhythm of the bass line and gave the melody to the clarinet.
2) A fairly standard waltz, and introduces the violin. Kind of bland, overall, but competent.
3) Here you almost give us a canon/fugue, and while that would've been neat to see, you just settle on a melody and counterpoint and leave it at that.
4) You shift into G minor and you try again to tap into a Bach fugue, but again you just give up on it. Your coda seems to want to give it all a sense of closure, but it seems to just end mid-thought.
5) Inapplicable 6/10

Criteria:
Your variations were not labelled and you only had four variations. I'm sorry but I have to give you a zero. 0/10

Formatting:
No copyright on the score, but it is formatted well. 8/10

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Popular Vote:
Olimar: +8
FierceDiety: +8
Bloop: +6
them: +4
Clanker: +0
FireArrow: +0

Penalties:
FireArrow: Late - 5

Final Scores!
FireArrow: 64pts
FierceDiety: 78pts
Clanker: 81pts
them: 94pts
Bloop: 96pts

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As winner you've won $10 in fun bucks to the digital store of your choice! Contact me about what you want and I'll make it happen.

Once again congratulations to all who played. Now let's all talk about our favorites and why!

Fierce's was my favorite cause his was the best

My favorite is a tie between Fierce's and them's.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on February 02, 2015, 08:32:55 AMMy favorite is a tie between Fierce's and them's.

My Favorites were Fierce's, Olimar's and them's.
Darn Fierce, you could of won if you would've had enough variations.....

Great Job to all!!!!!  ;D

Lol there were 5.

Wow, them! What an incredible job for someone so new here!

Nice job everyone, and congratulations Olimar! Too bad for some of the 0 points on some, but oh well. All should be proud!

let's see for fierce's
double barlines indicate;
1 - m. 46
2 - m. 91
3 - m. 131
4 - m. 179
5 - m. 231
i call for recounting fierce doesn't deserve this

My favorite has to be a tie between Fierce and Olimar. Again, good job!

Yay, I won! :D Great job, everyone!


Couple of after thoughts:

@Maestro: I'm totally knit-picking here, but the point I was deducted for formatting was wrongfully so. The formatting section in the OP specifies NOTHING about copyright info. lol, I even made a post about it way before the judging took place, if you can remember:

Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 29, 2014, 01:00:24 AMI would like to remind our judges (particularly our newer ones) about the freedom of the formatting section. Since these arrangements are in no way going to be hosted on the main site, G-Han's formatting guidelines in the submission board don't apply here. Only grade for the fields specified in the quote above, which comes from the op. (Wouldn't want to repeat mistakes from the past d: )

Lol it's just like that time I got points taken off for not having the site url on my piece! History repeats itself!


@FierceDeity: Here comes that "perception" argument again! If measure 46 was meant to be a variation, I think it failed. I heard it more as a repeat of the theme, just orchestrated a little more, which is probably what the judges thought too.

Quote from: Olimar12345 on February 02, 2015, 11:54:45 AM@FierceDeity: Here comes that "perception" argument again! If measure 46 was meant to be a variation, I think it failed. I heard it more as a repeat of the theme, just orchestrated a little more, which is probably what the judges thought too.

Lol I'm not even gonna bother responding to this, because from maestro himself, that's not what they're talking about, and even if it were, it's hardly enough to justify a 0 for criteria. Though I do agree with you on the formatting.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on December 21, 2014, 05:07:09 PM- You must have a minimum of 5 variations. Anything less will result in a score of "0".

rephrase:

Quote from: FierceDeity on February 02, 2015, 12:29:51 PMit's hardly enough to justify a 0 for criteria argue that it's not a variation

Not that I particularly care at this point, I wouldn't win anyways, and I still had fun writing the piece. It's just hilarious that both maestro and MLF somehow came to the same conclusion that the third variation wasn't even labeled despite it being clearly labeled.

^They wanted more than a double barline. They wanted each variation to be labeled "Var.1," "Variation 4" and such, as they usually are in theme and variation pieces.

Lol so I take it you also haven't actually looked at it

Though come to think of it, from the judging itself you would think that variation I was the issue, but in PM maestro said something completely different
Rofl

I can't speak for how MLF come to his judging, but when reviewing and re-reviewing your entry, I can't say that your supposed "Variation 3" is even a variation in and of itself. Sure, you changed the orchestration, but as I explained to you it came across more as a continuation of the shift to minor rather than a full on change of the theme.

Basically I feel like you didn't do enough to call it different from your second variation.

Congrats everyone!! Enjoy your reward!!!

Quote from: MaestroUGC on February 02, 2015, 01:11:42 PMI can't speak for how MLF come to his judging, but when reviewing and re-reviewing your entry, I can't say that your supposed "Variation 3" is even a variation in and of itself. Sure, you changed the orchestration, but as I explained to you it came across more as a continuation of the shift to minor rather than a full on change of the theme.

Basically I feel like you didn't do enough to call it different from your second variation.

You should really reconvene with past you, because he seems to think differently
Like, polar opposites differently

Quote from: MaestroUGC on February 02, 2015, 08:26:01 AMCreativity:
[/b]Overall the work felt like it developed organically and the variations came across more as thematic transformation, which is so much more sastifying in this context.
Var. 1) You shifted into minor at the start and remained there for most of the piece, which was an interesting direction. Here you largely just treated the mode change as the end-all for the variation, with an added countermelody for contrast.
2) The second finally has some playing with the melody, and it seems like you saved some of you creative energies from the first variation and put them all here.
3) A shift in 4/4, and it seems like your inner Beethoven wanted to creep out, heavily filtered through the temperament of Brahms, with a pit stop through Kirkhope. This is the real climax of the piece and leads rather well in to the finale.
4) Back into Major, and with a real nice overall grandioso section. It was a wonderful finale, it gave great closer that called back to the opening. Gives the work a very Liszt-ian kind of structure.
5) Inapplicable. 8/10

(second in this case being what I call the third, because you seem to have thought that the first variation was already in minor, thereby agreeing with what olimar said)


EDIT: Also, I can't even remotely tell from MLF's feedback why FireArrow got a 0 for criteria. It's apparent from maestro's, but apparently you disagree on the number of variations, yet agree that it should get the score indicative of not having enough variations?

I might have your variations mixed up a bit, I'm working off memory here, I'll give it another run when I get home. However I do remember enough about it to recall that early on what you claimed to be a variation hardly saw any real change from something you presented earlier.

And if the case is that you had 5 full variations, then I would probably give you a lower score because otherwise it would take away from the whole piece like that. 4 strong variations vs. 3 strong and 2 weak.

Quote from: FierceDeity on February 02, 2015, 01:09:05 PMLol so I take it you also haven't actually looked at it

Unless they where some type of symbol that wasn't attached to the score itself, then no, I didn't see it. Something like page-attached text boxes don't show up in the scroll view.

And if you are still pissy about those pms quit it.

If there's one thing we can learn from this it's that this judging is like representative democracy.  Just because someone is the best choice/most popular doesn't mean they'll win!

variation one clearly labeled

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FArpP4vZ.jpg&hash=eb126832c8671875119d2be832d6241c05ca9456)

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variation two clearly labeled

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FCR8RKi1.jpg&hash=7e4afc00618ebdbb5f970675d33e184e5b2c736a)

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variation three, and oh wow check out that label

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPmbV2CP.jpg&hash=f4b05b604e57267c1438f46061896d21c54e3c03)

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variation four, clearly labeled

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FXJPKsGg.jpg&hash=5491ff4526ef29f6a6a5aa3bd14bd467d2769b5b)

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you get the point

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuWGEKWU.jpg&hash=957a8a3854f8080dcbdee1ab4699318cd339ea48)

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Text attaches to the score for me, so unless we're having some major program discretions, then I really fail to see how they couldn't be there

And yeah, I'm still kinda pissy about you shitting on my musicianship because you disagreed with my compliment, imagine that

MLF docked me for variation numbers which I had as well, so I wouldn't sweat it fierce. This competition is just for fun, it's not anything serious you're gonna put on a resume.

Quote from: FierceDeity on February 02, 2015, 03:08:56 PMPost

And you say I can't read:

Quote from: Olimar12345 on February 02, 2015, 03:01:44 PMscroll view

Context clues: looking at those screenshots, I see page titles, page numbers, and different colors between your variation text and your expressions. I'll say it again: text boxes aren't visible from the scroll view. Why would you use a text box for something as important as a variation number? That's like putting your tempo marks in text boxes. You want to attach those to the measures.

May I ask how to get them to show up in scroll view?

Either attach them to measures (not pages) or use expressions.

I'm sorry, Fierce for the misunderstanding :(
Your arrangements was amazing!

Anyway, this was my first judging.....sorry if I didn't put longer comments :P

Hey all. Thanks for enjoying my arrangement!  :D

Here's a pdf if you're interested in playing it (a few fixes, starts with "con sordina," etc):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wx5ay32tzag61w/Instant%20of%20Eternity.pdf?dl=0

As for FierceDiety's arrangements... yes, I think Fierce is in the right because the original post did not state what a variation had to include (although it is understandable for the judges to mistake it for the theme). So I would say don't add on any extra rules once the deadline is in.

So should we recount, or go on to the next game? I already have a few ideas for the next contest!  ;D

Quote from: FierceDeity on January 27, 2015, 07:24:36 PMYou should be able to zoom in on all versions of finale, I believe. 2012 notepad definitely has the capability, though only to specific preset %'s. I think it should still be under the "view" tab? Though, no version (that I'm aware of) really has the ability to move around to different sections (in terms of parts, not measure #) of the score while playing; if anybody knows of a way to do that successfully in 2011 that'd be awesome

Yes... I forgot about that. Come to think about it I could have just made a pdf file, and then zoomed in. Well thanks for the help!

Quote from: them on February 02, 2015, 08:10:10 PMAs for FierceDiety's arrangements... yes, I think Fierce is in the right because the original post did not state what a variation had to include (although it is understandable for the judges to mistake it for the theme). So I would say don't add on any extra rules once the deadline is in.

Very True.
I was kinda forced to change my vote on his.

Quote from: them on February 02, 2015, 08:10:10 PMSo should we recount, or go on to the next game? I already have a few ideas for the next contest!  ;D

I also have some ideas!
I think I might actually compete this time!

Quote from: mariolegofan on February 02, 2015, 08:17:45 PMI was kinda forced to change my vote on his.

Maestro appears to have forgotten to tell us about his campaign for Arrangement Contest Tyrant.

Ah well, what does it matter? It's only for fun. I thoroughly enjoyed it! When's the next one?