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This is a question mainly to the owner/s of this site. And to anyone else who cares.

Why do we allow profanity¹? It does nothing to help us. We don't need it. It drives away the younger generations ("kiddies"  >:() IT DOESN"T HELP US.

I'm 16. The majority of the people in my school cuss(see ¹). I    do    not    like    it. I've heard many people complain about people here being jerks. I'm one of those people who complain. One of the main things is respect. They, the people who use profanity, do not understand(or care) that some of us do not like it. If it's the not understanding part, fine. Hopefully now they know that not everyone here like profanity.
if it's the not caring, then you'll lose members who would otherwise strengthen this community. If my parents found me on a site with this much profanity, I'd be kicked off. No doubt about it. Then, you'd lose one of your members. You'd still keep those who profane, of course, those who are constantly corrupting this site. And then nobody of any decent value would come.

Am I making too much of a big deal of this? I say NO. I see profanity on just about every page nowadays. I want it to stop. But that's as far as I can go. Wanting. Wishing. Now, I'm acting.

I want this site to grow. I'm a large fan of video game music. But if this problem is not solved, I will leave. I know of other sites. As far as I know, they don't allow profanity. The occasional "damn," sure, but that's as far as it goes. Profanity is actually looked down upon there.

I don't want to leave. But I can't stay if this site is like this. It's not worth it to me. Most people of any decent value are at GMW. They don't use profanity. I can name 6 people off the top of my head who swear on almost, almost, every post. Maybe every other post. But that's too much. I don't even want to see the F-word anywhere on this site.

Thank you for reading my long post. I'm not sorry about it's length; but I feel very strongly about this. Cast your opinions. Reply. Make your voice be heard. Freedom of Speech and all that. I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings in writing this. I truly am.



¹Profanity/cuss/swearing: The use of foul words. The F-Word. H-E-Double Hockey Sticks for those who still use that. Whatever. This is not an actual dictionary definition.

AMEN! I knew i liked something about you. I am truly sick all the nasty language. Sure, i've tried to just get used to it, but it doesn't work. Sure, i dont care much about damn or hell, but it pretty much ends there. All profanity gets us is hurt feelings and loss of members. I could name you about 5 people that do it every other post, 4 of which in almost every post. Im sick of it and this nasty language should end post-haste. I vote "No" for use of profanity!

right on =P. we all don't like to see profanity all over the place... me i don't care but it annoys some people.. i remember someone saying how NSM is kinda like a family.. and i agree... there's been alot of hating around here toward some people... if this carries on then were going to be the NSM family.. 5 times removed... literally.. and i think this is one of the reasons why.. basically what i'm saying is try not to use profanity... but if u do then don't direct at someone else..

...We have profanity because the "kiddies" or w/e you call them are n00bs. Well... 90% of the time ::)

Dude has the right to an opinion. Even if some of us don't agree with it.

But, Dude, could you please explain why we should allow profanity? How does it help the forum?
I'm honestly curious about your views, and the views of everybody else the says "Yes" to profanity.

Quote from: Palagerini on August 13, 2008, 05:54:12 PMor what about  u can't swear massively.. like what gamer said... and u can't swear directly to someone..? so it doesn't hurt anyone and so u dont' see the F-Nuclear Bomb dropped everywhere.. i think that sounds fair...

the people that want to swear can and the people who don't want to don't get offended by it... and the people who want to can't swear massively...

People... Come on... Srsly?

Do we really want another n00b list? ::)

It's alright to swear very occasionally. It's going to happen rarely here and there, at least, that's the ideal mindset that the staff has for that rule. It's not completely forbidden in the rules, but it's not allowed either. I think the staff are trying to get the point across that there's room for leniency on that rule, as long as your swearing isn't excessively abundant. I for one don't personally swear much, ever. It's not that I hold these morals against it; it's that it completely ruins any sense of serious  message your trying to send by making you seem like an immature child who can needs to scream out swear words over everyone in order to feel like he's been heard.


   The purpose of it is to attract attention to what your saying, so that people will take you more seriously because of the harshness in your sentence. By doing this, you've actually created the opposite effect, and now everyone realizes what you're trying to do(said reason above), and knows that you just want attention; dismissing you as a casual whiny 13 year old trying to feel appreciated.


   I think, though, that while swearing may be morally wrong to some, it should not be against the rules to the strictness that you're trying to invoke. If someone is swearing excessively, and it bothers you, report them to a moderator or admin and they'll take care of it. This site, or forums actually, like most forums, has a rule that all users must be or be over the age of 13 to join, otherwise your membership is considered illegal and you are UUA. If this isn't obvious to most, I think everyone should do a read-up on the rules for the site.

Just shut up already Brawler! You've made your point.

RULES

Swearing is allowed on occasion; but abusing it by adding f**k in every post will get you in trouble.

DON’T POST PORN
DON’T BE A JERK
     Don't do things just to be rude to other members.
     Don't post messages or images about how you think another member is being rude or obusing you, please contact Concerto or Dekudude.
DON’T POST HUGE IMAGES
     Images over 500k is really pushing it.
DON’T MAKE THE FOLLOWING TYPES OF THREAD
     Pointless poll threads
     Intentionally antagonistic threads â€" e.g. “The Xbox 360/PS3/Forum Member/Bush(That's okay) is s***"
     Threads intended to promote/sell something
     Threads that complain about the rules or mods. If you have a problem with either of these, please PM us directly â€" don’t make a public spectacle out of it.

OBSERVE COMMON FORUM ETIQUETTE

That means doing things like marking spoilers, staying on topic, marking NSFW stuff as NSFW, and all the other little things that have come to define proper etiquette on the internet. Manners, basically.

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=P we don't have any porn i just felt like highlighting that =P. perhaps we should find a way to compromise Gooch and Brawler with Dude and everyone else not including me.

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on August 13, 2008, 06:09:23 PMJust shut up already Brawler! You've made your point.

   This is a classic example as to why or where swearing might be bad. This is flaming, it's no wonder you're warned, superfire. Brawler's doing nothing wrong and I respect that he's made a thread like this for the purpose of discussion. He's asking for everyone's opinions and reasons, while providing his own. This is how intellectuals converse, it should be balantly obvious to most. I think Palagerini just furthered my point in my post when he posted the rules. It's showing room for leniency, if it's allowed.

Well there is no way I can leave the site so I might as well comply with what the members want.

No more swears people.


.......except in the post your thoughts of the moment thread 2  8)

Yeah, apparantly other sites dont care too much for NSM, so i think by cleaning up our act a little might bring back some good tidings.

well u don't necessarily have to give up swearing all together.... just cut it down some... just don't hurt other people and swear like 5 times in a post...

i think a problem is that a lot of newer members seem to think that they will instantly be accepted into the community and thus post as if they believe they're someone known and respected on the forum, when frankly, the new people are not instantly respected...

a prime example of this is (not to single this newer member out), the one who posted something of the likes "I DEMAND Calling of the Night" or something like that in the request topic... and naturally no one likes someone with an attitude like that, EVEN though that person was apparently just joking...

so naturally, the older members of the forum tend to get frustrated quicker because they are the older members of the forum, and i think they expect that newer members be respectful (not in a superiority-inferiority sort of system) but to simply be respectful... and this prompts the usage of swearing and such... if there was a mutual respect between members, then there would be little to no swearing on the forum... i can't speak as being one of the oldest members of the forum, but i've been here for about one year, and it's only recently that the amount of swearing has jumped up...

personally though, i think that no rule should be put on swearing... people should just learn to use swearing for emphasis, on something serious or something important, not as a normal, casual adjective to slap on to the end of your statements... which goes to another point, which is that it seems (to me), that many people post without thinking, but that's a whole different thing...

sorry for the block of text lol...

No one should be taking swearing seriously in the first place. Like I've said, it's only furthering the imaturity of their character. I would say that ridding the site of swearing completely, if it were possible would do nothing to make it better as far as attracting members.

Quote from: blah54 on August 13, 2008, 06:35:41 PMi think a problem is that a lot of newer members seem to think that they will instantly be accepted into the community and thus post as if they believe they're someone known and respected on the forum, when frankly, the new people are not instantly respected...

a prime example of this is (not to single this newer member out), the one who posted something of the likes "I DEMAND Calling of the Night" or something like that in the request topic... and naturally no one likes someone with an attitude like that, EVEN though that person was apparently just joking...

so naturally, the older members of the forum tend to get frustrated quicker because they are the older members of the forum, and i think they expect that newer members be respectful (not in a superiority-inferiority sort of system) but to simply be respectful... and this prompts the usage of swearing and such... if there was a mutual respect between members, then there would be little to no swearing on the forum... i can't speak as being one of the oldest members of the forum, but i've been here for about one year, and it's only recently that the amount of swearing has jumped up...

personally though, i think that no rule should be put on swearing... people should just learn to use swearing for emphasis, on something serious or something important, not as a normal, casual adjective to slap on to the end of your statements... which goes to another point, which is that it seems (to me), that many people post without thinking, but that's a whole different thing...

sorry for the block of text lol...

exactly.. not ban swearing but limit it...

Quote from: Nakah on August 13, 2008, 06:36:52 PMNo one should be taking swearing seriously in the first place. Like I've said, it's only furthering the imaturity of their character. I would say that ridding the site of swearing completely, if it were possible would do nothing to make it better as far as attracting members.

but i don't think were trying to attract new members.. were trying to keep the old ones we have and try to be a more friendlier community in general.. but your right about the character thing and stuff.. it's like um... ( my orignal example was beer...) let's say it's like junk food.. a little bit now and then is good and not bad for u in anyway.. but too much is bad.... =P

Quote from: Nakah on August 13, 2008, 06:06:05 PMIt's alright to swear very occasionally. It's going to happen rarely here and there, at least, that's the ideal mindset that the staff has for that rule. It's not completely forbidden in the rules, but it's not allowed either. I think the staff are trying to get the point across that there's room for leniency on that rule, as long as your swearing isn't excessively abundant. I for one don't personally swear much, ever. It's not that I hold these morals against it; it's that it completely ruins any sense of serious  message your trying to send by making you seem like an immature child who can needs to scream out swear words over everyone in order to feel like he's been heard.


   The purpose of it is to attract attention to what your saying, so that people will take you more seriously because of the harshness in your sentence. By doing this, you've actually created the opposite effect, and now everyone realizes what you're trying to do(said reason above), and knows that you just want attention; dismissing you as a casual whiny 13 year old trying to feel appreciated.


   I think, though, that while swearing may be morally wrong to some, it should not be against the rules to the strictness that you're trying to invoke. If someone is swearing excessively, and it bothers you, report them to a moderator or admin and they'll take care of it. This site, or forums actually, like most forums, has a rule that all users must be or be over the age of 13 to join, otherwise your membership is considered illegal and you are UUA. If this isn't obvious to most, I think everyone should do a read-up on the rules for the site.

What he said.

x999

Quote from: Palagerini on August 13, 2008, 06:38:07 PMbut i don't think were trying to attract new members.. were trying to keep the old ones we have and try to be a more friendlier community in general.. but your right about the character thing and stuff.. it's like um... ( my orignal example was beer...) let's say it's like junk food.. a little bit now and then is good and not bad for u in anyway.. but too much is bad.... =P

   I really don't think any members who are legitimately old members aren't going to leave because of swearing. I've been a site viewer and member for nearly a year and don't consider myself to be an old member at all.

Everything in moderation. Swearing should not be banned. That's against Freedom of Speech. I don't think swearing is bad, when used just a little, and just to emphasize something. I don't want it to get like The Sopranos here, with the F word every five seconds. Using all the time is against the rules, and members will be warned when caught doing it. But swears are a form of expression.

What "kiddies" are you talking about? Ones that are too young to be on here legally? Also, you're sixteen, but you're parents wouldn't want you on a site with a few damns? You must have very over-protective parents. I have friends like that. I don't see why it disturbs people so much when it's used occasionally. I don't really like seeing it used a ton, but if someone says something like "Damn I didn't see that." and isn't even angry, I don't see a problem with it.

If NSM banned swearing, I would most likely leave, as it is too totalitarian in nature.

yea your probaly right... but still.. we shouldn't have mass amounts of swearing... u know just like the usual amount.. and didn't Akiro and Beethoven leave because of rudeness or something like that? but i guess this is mostly up to the mods and not necessarily us...

(oh and ironic how Concerto is gone and all this is happening... he would definitely have something to say about all this =P.)

Quote from: Super Zombie on August 13, 2008, 06:54:22 PMEverything in moderation. Swearing should not be banned. That's against Freedom of Speech. I don't think swearing is bad, when used just a little, and just to emphasize something. I don't want it to get like The Sopranos here, with the F word every five seconds. Using all the time is against the rules, and members will be warned when caught doing it. But swears are a form of expression.

What "kiddies" are you talking about? Ones that are too young to be on here legally? Also, you're sixteen, but you're parents wouldn't want you on a site with a few damns? You must have very over-protective parents. I have friends like that. I don't see why it disturbs people so much when it's used occasionally. I don't really like seeing it used a ton, but if someone says something like "Damn I didn't see that." and isn't even angry, I don't see a problem with it.

If NSM banned swearing, I would most likely leave, as it is too totalitarian in nature.

well we don't all live in the U.S. ... but yea... we should just limit swearing and not ban it..

What did I say about the US?

Also, as you can see, I pretty much never use profanity, but we should have the right.

yeah...limit swearing but don't ban it...


Yeah, you've guys have said that several times.

Also, Freedom of Speech makes me sick, absolutely sick.  The people need to be controlled imo.

If you are somehow afraid of swearing, go find yourself some little anti-swearing religious forum.  This is not that forum.  Deal with it.

Quote from: Gamer4250 on August 13, 2008, 08:30:43 PMIf you are somehow afraid of swearing, go find yourself some little anti-swearing religious forum.  This is not that forum.  Deal with it.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/

ta-da!

I just needed a reason to link that.

 ;)

Quote from: Gamer4250 on August 13, 2008, 08:30:43 PMIf you are somehow afraid of swearing, go find yourself some little anti-swearing religious forum.  This is not that forum.  Deal with it.

Video games are for people of all ages. Why shouldn't this forum also be for people of all ages?

I'm tired, so I didn't read all of that, but here's what I got:

Q - Why do we allow profanity?
A - We don't.

Solution - More mods. :D That's why I did the whole NSM police thing... which Jamaha doesn't seem to like a lot, so he canceled. But no, people just don't care, and those that do don't do anything about it. :(

Brawler is right. Excessive swearing does nothing to help this site. NSM unfortunately does not have the best rep out there and this does not help. Keep swearing to a minimum (some swearing is alright, of course) with more mods, like Dekudude said

Q: Does ApolloMix allow profanity?

A: In moderation, correct?
ApolloMix: 1 NSM: 0

EDIT: Also, the Internet Channel sucks for posting in a forum... :P

Excessive censorship just shows this site is aimed toward a young audience and is too afraid to show what life really is like.  Seriously.  Do you really expect people to just stop swearing at your command at some bar?

If somebody really cared that much about profanity, I don't think they'd be hanging out in some bar. I mean really, drunks everywhere. :P

Anyway, the site doesn't need censorship; it needs some of its members to grow up. Swearing isn't cool, or mature or anything like that. I don't care if people swear occasionally, like "oh damn it" or something, but posting like a whole page of "fuck" is just being immature. Seriously. The site shouldn't have to 'dumb-itself-down' in a way just because a few people can't seem to find a more intellectual word to express themselves.

It basically boils down to "shut up and grow up".

Oh my god I'm so late with everything lately on this forum. lol.

I'm trying to catch up, so I only have time to say that I agree with Brawler completely. :P

-runs off to school-

Poll redone.

The new poll is way better. And Gamer, don't get all RAWR! every time someone disagrees with you. Harvest, that link was hilarious. One of the first things they have on the site is to defend themselves that they aren't a cult! XD

Quote from: Dekudude on August 13, 2008, 08:48:13 PMI'm tired, so I didn't read all of that, but here's what I got:

Q - Why do we allow profanity?
A - We don't.

Solution - More mods. :D That's why I did the whole NSM police thing... which Jamaha doesn't seem to like a lot, so he canceled. But no, people just don't care, and those that do don't do anything about it. :(

QuoteRULES

Swearing is allowed on occasion; but abusing it by adding f**k in every post will get you in trouble.

pwnt by your own post.

I had some reasons to allow swearing but yeah know, would take too long to type and seems pointless.

I'm not supporting swearing so often it makes people's heads explode but on occasion I think it's fine.

Quote from: HugoMeister on August 13, 2008, 11:54:39 PMIf somebody really cared that much about profanity, I don't think they'd be hanging out in some bar. I mean really, drunks everywhere. :P

Anyway, the site doesn't need censorship; it needs some of its members to grow up. Swearing isn't cool, or mature or anything like that. I don't care if people swear occasionally, like "oh damn it" or something, but posting like a whole page of "fuck" is just being immature. Seriously. The site shouldn't have to 'dumb-itself-down' in a way just because a few people can't seem to find a more intellectual word to express themselves.

It basically boils down to "shut up and grow up".

But as of now it seems they are too immature to grow up, so the mods need to do something.

MY PRIME REASON FOR SWEARING:

Look at these two statements.

"Holy fucking shit"

"Holy cow"

Which one comes across as more shocked or strong?

Gamer, no could put that any better. That really is why swearing is used. HOLY COW! would just sound stupid. Seriously, are we five years old?

You could say GEEZ LUWEEZ! :D

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on August 15, 2008, 09:18:29 AMYou could say GEEZ LUWEEZ! :D

   Ha-ha-ho-he-ho-a-ha-ho-ha-ha-ha, and I thought my jokes were bad.

I, personally, think none at all would be the best thing for the site. Especially in the aspect of seeming "professional" Some of my friends cuss a little bit, but I am not a fan of swearing in general.

First of all, forget seeming professional when most of the members are like 13 years old and think everything is wrong because of the religion they follow.

Im sticking with my original post, i dont mind very little/ occasional swearing along the lines of "damn" or "hell" but i dont wanna read a whole post of filth. So, i would be just fine if they found a way to totally ban it, but i would also be fine if they just took out the serious ones (you know the ones im talking about). So, i voted for occasional 'damn' or 'hell'

Well let's see. We are down to 3 Global Moderators, 1 of which isn't here and is the only global moderator that might support this. I'm starting to be convinced that JaMaHa hardly cares about anything that happens in the forum, and he's the only administrator now. (G-Han left and he can'd Dekudude). So what do you think the end situation is? You, with a topic, all the members on a decision, and nothing happens. And nothing probably will happen. I can't guarantee you, or myself that, because there is always the possibility that either (a)Concerto comes back and completely agrees with whatever the poll is or (b)JaMaHa does something. That's my view on this right now.

I agree with Hugo. Like I said. I don't cuss, I don't mind a few d-words or h-words here and there, but I don't like reading a post full of profanity. I'm not trying to offend anybody, I'm just stating my opinion.

(And BTW. According to our age poll most of the members are between the ages of 15 and 19.)

Oh, well in that case then not allowing swearing would be an insane gesture.

FUCK THIS THREAD!

Haha, only kidding.

But seriously -- It's just words, guys.

I say let there be freedom!

Freedom gets us usually locked up somewhere because we overuse our freedom.

Good Point.

Wow.

Dont bring Warcraft into this, 'tis not the time nor the place

I see what you did there.

Remember:  Just because you're American doesn't mean everybody else has to follow the same idiotic laws you do.  Or have the same rights.

But according to our government everybody else has to do what ever the hell we tell them is the right thing to do.

OH NO SOMEONE SAID BAD WORDS ON THE INTERNETS GUISE AND I DON'T LIEK IT

Yeah..........

We need a new rule for cussing: "If you don't like it, leave."
How's that?

Quote from: Dude on August 17, 2008, 10:34:54 AMYeah..........

We need a new rule for cussing: "If you don't like it, leave."
How's that?

/thread

or how bout we just put a little sign that says if there's swearing in it or not... like when u make a thread u put that sign to show if it allows swearing or not... =P. just throwing useless ideas around.... i know for a fact that one won't work....

Swearing doesn't bother me at all. To be honest, I lol'd when I first saw this thread.

If it really bothers you that much, I would have to agree with Palagerini. Perhaps a word sensor would be a suggestion?

Quote from: MasterPenguin on August 17, 2008, 01:41:36 PMIf it really bothers you that much, I would have to agree with Palagerini. Perhaps a word sensor would be a suggestion?

...or we could go with my idea. :)

Your idea might lose 3 members...

Good idea? I don' think so. But that's just my opinion.  You can think whatever you want...
 :)

Only 3 members? Then let's use his idea.

i dont mind fuck, damn, hell sometimes
but not when its like fuck all over the page  :P

Quote from: MasterPenguin on August 17, 2008, 01:41:36 PMTo be honest, I lol'd when I first saw this thread.

Quoted for truth.

People should able to sense limitations on swearing in forums without the need for a poll on it.