1. Wolf Painter - Sends the Host a PM every Night Phase with the name of a Player and a Colour. For that Night Phase, that Player will be seered that Colour.
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
5. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
Item 1 - Seering Item
Item 2 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
Item 3 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
gogogogogogogogogo
1. Saint Swooper
2. vermilionvermin
3. blueflower999
4. shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn
6. gzgregory
7. SlowPokemon
8. Raymondbl
9. xK-NiGhTx
10. Jub3r7
11. SuperFireKirby
12. Kman96
All PMs have been sent.
Human PM:
QuoteYou are a Human! But remember, you may still be the Miller!
Item Receiving PM:
QuoteYou have received Item #.
(Number of Item takes place of #, evidently).
In the cold of December 15th, a young man named Saint Swooper walked towards a dark forest. Towards a special place. Trading Wernick's Grove. It was an enchanted place where one could be taught the 'tricks of the trade'.
Of course, this was all nonsense and Saint Swooper was fully aware of that; he just wanted to become an apprentice and learn himself to become rich and be worth vermillion dollars like everyone else would want to. He entered the grove and was greeted by a young man of similar age.
"Hi, I'm shadowkirby, Who are you, Doc?" the man inquired.
My name is Saint Swooper. I've traversed many miles in order to reach her. I have come to become your apprentice."
shadowkirby let out a hearty laugh. "Oh, I am no master yet. The master is running a few errands from afar. I, myself, am an apprentice also. There are 10 other apprentices, however. Please allow me to introduce them to you." he said. Before Saint Swooper could reply, he was dragged off of his feet and met the crew.
The first person he met was named vermilionvermin. He was one of the newer apprentices that was only accepted a few months ago. However, he showed great potential and is one of the most proficient apprentices there. He's also a bit mysterious as well, in that no one knows what he specialised in. He was somewhat intimidating to the other apprentices.
Next was blueflower999. He was a nice, but clumsy person. He was apprenticed about a year and a half ago and has progressed adequately. Though, his clumsiness often made it appear that he was rather inept, he was simply misunderstood and was on his way to becoming a master metal forger.
shadowkirby himself was an apprentice in a newly developing field called 'laser pens from the future'. Umm, you probably don't want to ask.
Wrydryn was apprenticed about a year ago as a painter. After a brief catharsis occurring about 3 months into his apprenticeship, he has been one of the fastest progressors in the Grove. He has proven to be so consummate in his artistic skill that many apprentices wonder why he hasn't left yet. There's some talk of him being a perfectionist, but some believe that he's just a bit weird because some dude punched him very hard before he came to the Grove.
gzgregory arrived only about a half a year ago. He is apprenticed as a carpenter. He's pretty much the only normal guy in the entire Grove. Well, aside from the fact that he decided to take on an apprenticeship in a grove.
SlowPokemon was less of an apprentice and more of a close friend of the master. While in the Grove, he wrote a series of eminent novels and earned vermillion dollars. The master would often discuss his writings with him and SlowPokemon would make amends to wherever he saw fit in his novels. He's known for going into small bouts of depression and he often suffers from writer's block because of them.
Raymondbl became apprenticed about half a year ago. He was initially met with resentment from the other apprentices after a particular incident, but everyone has warmed up to him now and they are all good friends. He is apprenticed in piano playing while simultaneously playing percussion like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTU84uwyN5w).
xK-NiGhTx was an aberrant apprentice. Rather than specialising in a conventional field, xK-NiGhTx chose to learn to a variety of knightly endeavours because he hoped to become a knight. He has only begun working with the master recently and is currently only a squire. Many people seem to enjoy his company and he seems very fervent towards his future vocation.
SuperFireKirby is also rather aberrant. A frivolous guy, he decided to apprentice in the universe. And by that, I mean that he apprenticed in everything. Many lampoon him, usually playfully, for his zealous goal, but many fail to notice how greatly he has fared. He has thus proved to be proficient in a variety of tasks and may possibly become specialised in the universe.
Kman96 had shown up only a day prior to Saint Swooper. He's still waiting for the master to show up to begin his apprenticeship, which no one knows of yet.
Jub3r7 is the master
totes not due to bias. No one knows how he was able to specialise in so many fields, but it is rumoured that he was the first to garner the enchanted power of the Grove.
Finally finished with introductions, Saint Swooper decided it was a good time to get to bed.
And so he did.
It is now Night 1. Night 1 will end January 30th at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
Holy crap that was fast.
Might be best if we got the person with the seering item to claim. Then they can be secretly guarded, and reveal what they got at the end of the phase.
Of course, they could be a wolf and lie about what they got, but then we can't trust results 100% anyway due to painters and millers.
I'm going to vote no on that plan due to the high probability that something goes wrong with it. There's a 1/4 chance that a wolf has the seering item. Based on the fact that a quarter of the players will be seered the wrong color, there's a large chance it leads us in the wrong direction.
I think relying on our own investigations will be more fruitful than the seering item.
I'm the main character in the story. Best be jealous. B)
In all seriousness, I'm going to have to agree with vermin. I mean, you bring up an issue of the plan within the plan!
Planception?
guys i flip-flop too much
I'm going to reverse my stance on the having seers claim thing. Sure, it has a strong chance of going wrong, but it at the very least gives us something to go off.
It also allows the person with the seering item to organize those who have the guarding items. The seer should NOT tell the guardians whom he/she is going to seer because there's a strong possibility one of the people with guarding items is a wolf.
And it makes sure the person with the seering item is not wolfed Night 1.
This should all be kept on the down-low because letting the wolves know who we're guarding would be really really bad.
Um, verm, I'm going to be selfish because since I know for a fact that I'm not a wolf, I have a chance of being wolfed, therefore I want to be guarded.
Also me being human = truthful seering results so yay.
Quote from: gzgregory on January 28, 2012, 09:05:15 PMMight be best if we got the person with the seering item to claim. Then they can be secretly guarded, and reveal what they got at the end of the phase.
Of course, they could be a wolf and lie about what they got, but then we can't trust results 100% anyway due to painters and millers.
I have item one.
I'd appreciate it if both item 2 and item 3 guard me; I was considering asking one of you to guard me and the other to guard someone else who has a good chance of being wolfed, but if the person who was supposed to guard me turned out to be a wolf, then they would wolf me rather than guard me. :(
On the other hand, the person with item 3 would probably report the identity of the person with item two if I were wolfed, so maybe I would be safe regardless.
Thoughts?
Also, I don't see any harm in having item carriers 2 or 3 claim to me via pm; even if I were a wolf, wolfing one of them isn't going to stop the item from being passed around the next phase.
Although in case I missed some vital information that makes it so they shouldn't claim to me, I'll wait for people to give their opinion on this before we have them claim.
bleh, ninja'd by verm for a second time, but I pretty much have all of that in mind regardless if it seems like I don't.
I see no reason for the other item carriers to claim. As long as at least 1 is human and guards Jub, that's all that really needs to be done.
But I see no harm in them not claiming. :(
It also forces them to be active and gives us something to analyze later. XD
Quote from: Mashi on January 28, 2012, 08:53:00 PM1. Wolf Painter - Sends the Host a PM every Night Phase with the name of a Player and a Colour. For that Night Phase, that Player will be seered that Colour.
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
5. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
Item 1 - Seering Item
Item 2 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
Item 3 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
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1. Saint Swooper
2. vermilionvermin
3. blueflower999
4. shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn
6. gzgregory
7. SlowPokemon
8. Raymondbl
9. xK-NiGhTx
10. Jub3r7
11. SuperFireKirby
12. Kman96
All PMs have been sent.
Human PM:
Item Receiving PM: (Number of Item takes place of #, evidently).
In the cold of December 15th, a young man named Saint Swooper walked towards a dark forest. Towards a special place. Trading Wernick's Grove. It was an enchanted place where one could be taught the 'tricks of the trade'.
Of course, this was all nonsense and Saint Swooper was fully aware of that; he just wanted to become an apprentice and learn himself to become rich and be worth vermillion dollars like everyone else would want to. He entered the grove and was greeted by a young man of similar age.
"Hi, I'm shadowkirby, Who are you, Doc?" the man inquired.
My name is Saint Swooper. I've traversed many miles in order to reach her. I have come to become your apprentice."
shadowkirby let out a hearty laugh. "Oh, I am no master yet. The master is running a few errands from afar. I, myself, am an apprentice also. There are 10 other apprentices, however. Please allow me to introduce them to you." he said. Before Saint Swooper could reply, he was dragged off of his feet and met the crew.
The first person he met was named vermilionvermin. He was one of the newer apprentices that was only accepted a few months ago. However, he showed great potential and is one of the most proficient apprentices there. He's also a bit mysterious as well, in that no one knows what he specialised in. He was somewhat intimidating to the other apprentices.
Next was blueflower999. He was a nice, but clumsy person. He was apprenticed about a year and a half ago and has progressed adequately. Though, his clumsiness often made it appear that he was rather inept, he was simply misunderstood and was on his way to becoming a master metal forger.
shadowkirby himself was an apprentice in a newly developing field called 'laser pens from the future'. Umm, you probably don't want to ask.
Wrydryn was apprenticed about a year ago as a painter. After a brief catharsis occurring about 3 months into his apprenticeship, he has been one of the fastest progressors in the Grove. He has proven to be so consummate in his artistic skill that many apprentices wonder why he hasn't left yet. There's some talk of him being a perfectionist, but some believe that he's just a bit weird because some dude punched him very hard before he came to the Grove.
gzgregory arrived only about a half a year ago. He is apprenticed as a carpenter. He's pretty much the only normal guy in the entire Grove. Well, aside from the fact that he decided to take on an apprenticeship in a grove.
SlowPokemon was less of an apprentice and more of a close friend of the master. While in the Grove, he wrote a series of eminent novels and earned vermillion dollars. The master would often discuss his writings with him and SlowPokemon would make amends to wherever he saw fit in his novels. He's known for going into small bouts of depression and he often suffers from writer's block because of them.
Raymondbl became apprenticed about half a year ago. He was initially met with resentment from the other apprentices after a particular incident, but everyone has warmed up to him now and they are all good friends. He is apprenticed in wood carving.
xK-NiGhTx was an aberrant apprentice. Rather than specialising in a conventional field, xK-NiGhTx chose to learn to a variety of knightly endeavours because he hoped to become a knight. He has only begun working with the master recently and is currently only a squire. Many people seem to enjoy his company and he seems very fervent towards his future vocation.
SuperFireKirby is also rather aberrant. A frivolous guy, he decided to apprentice in the universe. And by that, I mean that he apprenticed in everything. Many lampoon him, usually playfully, for his zealous goal, but many fail to notice how greatly he has fared. He has thus proved to be proficient in a variety of tasks and may possibly become specialised in the universe.
Kman96 had shown up only a day prior to Saint Swooper. He's still waiting for the master to show up to begin his apprenticeship, which no one knows of yet.
Jub3r7 is the master totes not due to bias. No one knows how he was able to specialise in so many fields, but it is rumoured that he was the first to garner the enchanted power of the Grove.
Finally finished with introductions, Saint Swooper decided it was a good time to get to bed.
And so he did.
It is now Night 1. Night 1 will end January 30th at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
I understand my paragraph now...hehehe...Mashi u so hilarious.
I don't see the harm in having them claim both to you and publicly. You can direct one of them to guard you and the other to guard someone random.
It's not like the wolves benefit any from knowing the identity of the guardians. What's most important is that the wolves don't know whom you're seering or whom they're guarding.
I really doubt that the wolves have the gall to sacrifice one of their own to stop one seering.
Vermillion Dollars should become an NSM inside joke.
Just saying.
Also, there are more obscure references and jokes coming soon, xK-NiGhTx!
btw ilu mashi
Sounds like a great story guys...I think I'm ready...to lose.
I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing... :/
ilu more jub3r7
Also, just read this, Kman96:
http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=956.0
If there's anything you want clarified, then ask me.
Yay! I heard this Kman96 guy's pretty coll.
K so seering item is pretty much useless considering how many players' roles don't reflect their colors. Okay, so here's what I see so far.
A) Gregory suggests the seer item holder claims.
B) Verm disagrees and says that is not a good idea.
C) Swooper agrees with Verm's disagreement.
D) Verm changes his mind (either because of thinking about it or having talked to someone) and says go ahead with it.
E) Jub claims to have item no. 1 and says he would like the other item holders to claim to him. He further explains that "even if he wanted to wolf them, the items are just going to be passed around again next phase."
F) Swooper disagrees and says they shouldn't claim.
G) Jub refutes his point further.
H) KN likes his paragraph.
I) Verm says he sees no harm in having the other item holders claim.
J) Mashi thinks Vermilion Dollars should become an NSM meme and promises more hilarity. K) Jub loves Mashi.
L) Kman has no idea what he's doing and I feel may not be of much use to the game.
M) Mashi shows him the rules thread (a bit belatedly seeing as he's already in the midst of a game).
N) Shadowkirby loves Kman.
From what I could tell, everything seems to be heating up quickly via the items, somewhat of a gimmick to attract activity. I think the other two holders should claim, if not to the thread then at least to Jub.
I don't have one. And it looks like this game is going to be great. I don't think if would hurt if the person holding item 1 would claim.
Quote from: Mashi on January 28, 2012, 08:53:00 PMRaymondbl became apprenticed about half a year ago. He was initially met with resentment from the other apprentices after a particular incident, but everyone has warmed up to him now and they are all good friends. He is apprenticed in wood carving.
Lol! You summed it up pretty nicely. However I would like to specialize in piano playing instead of wood carving, since I do specialize in piano playing in real life... it's ok though if you don't want to. Just wood carving is kinda meh :)
And SFK could be the new master when Jub is... overthrown? :o
I think Wrydrn is likely a human do to him being portrayed as a painter, and it would be ridiculous if he was also the wolf painter, or even a wolf.
Mashi, I gotz a question. If a person gets a guarding item one day, do they get the guarding item the next night phase or will it be someone different? If it will be someone different then I do see no harm in claiming...
SUSPICION LIST:
Jub - claims as seer.
Saint Swooper
Vermillion dollars
Slowpoke
All four of them see no harm in the current guardians claiming, and I would say at least one of them is a wolf.
Quote from: Kman96 on January 28, 2012, 10:17:37 PMI think I'm ready...to lose.
I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing... :/
kind of suspicious. Not too much though.
blueflower - doesn't think it would hurt if item 1 person claims. I think that's logically explained though, with all the guards...
Quote from: Raymondbl on January 29, 2012, 06:08:19 AMMashi, I gotz a question. If a person gets a guarding item one day, do they get the guarding item the next night phase or will it be someone different? If it will be someone different then I do see no harm in claiming...
The items are re-distributed every night phase to random people.
aka There's a good chance I won't have the seering item anymore; same goes for carriers of items 1 and 2.
In other words, you shouldn't really suspect us for not seeing a problem with holders claiming?
I think guard holders should claim publicly, even if one (or even both) of them is a wolf, they can't pull anything without exposing themselves.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 29, 2012, 07:08:24 AMThe items are re-distributed every night phase to random people.
aka There's a good chance I won't have the seering item anymore; same goes for carriers of items 1 and 2.
Yes, this is correct.
Also, will do Raymondbl!
Oh i forgot. I have item #2
Quote from: Raymondbl on January 29, 2012, 06:08:19 AMSUSPICION LIST:
Jub - claims as seer.
Saint Swooper
Vermillion dollars
Slowpoke
All four of them see no harm in the current guardians claiming, and I would say at least one of them is a wolf. kind of suspicious. Not too much though.
I was against the guards claiming :\
Quote from: Raymondbl on January 29, 2012, 06:08:19 AMVermillion dollars
Must have skipped over this, but A+++++++++.
I would suggest letting K-N guard whoever he wants WITHOUT other people telling him to guard. If nobody knows who he's guarding, the wolves can't know whom to kill.
The other person should guard Jub.
This all changes if the person with the second item doesn't claim.
Irc chat gogogo.
Slowpokemon, that is correct, but it doesn't mean I won't try!
...and...way to make it weird, shadowkirby.... :/
IRC for the next while. GOGOGO
Gogogo is Shadowkirby's catchphrase, Kman. Don't worry about it. :P
In case you were wondering the IRC Chat can be found here: http://www.ninsheetm.us/chat/ Normally the discussion is in the channel #twg.
...not that there's really much we can discuss at this point.
Quote from: Mashi on January 28, 2012, 08:53:00 PMWrydryn was apprenticed about a year ago as a painter. After a brief catharsis occurring about 3 months into his apprenticeship, he has been one of the fastest progressors in the Grove. He has proven to be so consummate in his artistic skill that many apprentices wonder why he hasn't left yet. There's some talk of him being a perfectionist, but some believe that he's just a bit weird because some dude punched him very hard before he came to the Grove.
Touche >.>
SERIOUSLY GUYS, POST THE LOGS!Quote from: irc(8:52:26 PM) NSMGuest85 [~NSMGuest8@4787AE1.FB54D973.E08E2875.IP] entered the room.
(8:52:29 PM) NSMGuest85: hola
(8:52:30 PM) shadowkirby: Hello
(8:52:33 PM) NSMGuest85 is now known as Raymondbl
(8:52:40 PM) shadowkirby: HAI RAYRAY
(8:52:48 PM) Raymondbl: hi
(8:52:53 PM) shadowkirby: :D
(8:52:57 PM) shadowkirby: Is you a wolf?
(8:53:05 PM) Raymondbl: of course not
(8:53:11 PM) Raymondbl: is wrydrn here/
(8:53:14 PM) Raymondbl: and who is magnesium
(8:53:46 PM) Raymondbl: I think the humans are very disadvantaged here
(8:53:53 PM) shadowkirby: Mastergamer_38, I believe.
(8:53:55 PM) shadowkirby: And yes.
(8:54:05 PM) Raymondbl: painters, two millers...
(8:54:18 PM) shadowkirby: ANd no blues!
(8:54:36 PM) shadowkirby: If i was the wolf painter, I would paint people blue for teh lulz.
(8:54:39 PM) Raymondbl: yep, though at least that makes the person with seering item dying not a problem
(8:54:44 PM) Raymondbl: lol
(8:55:00 PM) Raymondbl: good idea
(8:55:20 PM) Raymondbl: but it would probably give out that the person's probably human
(8:55:59 PM) Raymondbl: *starts suspecting shadow*
(8:56:12 PM) Raymondbl: Wry never talks on irc
(8:56:22 PM) Raymondbl: he just sits there and watches us talk
(8:56:28 PM) shadowkirby: I know!
(8:56:36 PM) shadowkirby: Why would you suspect me?
(8:56:45 PM) shadowkirby: suspect Kman96!
(8:56:46 PM) Raymondbl: ...
(8:56:57 PM) Raymondbl: yeah I kind of suspect kman
(8:57:01 PM) Raymondbl: but not really
(8:57:10 PM) Raymondbl: just his manner of speaking
(8:57:20 PM) Raymondbl: I haven't seen him outside TWG so I can't be sure
(8:57:51 PM) Raymondbl: personally I think anyone who mentions themself as a human should have their suspicion level raised 10%
(8:58:15 PM) shadowkirby: Well, he won't tell me if he's a human!
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(8:59:02 PM) shadowkirby [~NSMGuest9@shacops-6B4D701E.fai.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] entered the room.
(8:59:05 PM) Raymondbl: wha' happened
(8:59:13 PM) shadowkirby: internet sucks in alaska.
(8:59:20 PM) Raymondbl: alaska!!?
(8:59:28 PM) shadowkirby: yesh.
(8:59:30 PM) Raymondbl: I didn't see you there!
(8:59:40 PM) shadowkirby: that's where Kman's from too.
(8:59:41 PM) Raymondbl: in sfk's "where in the world is the NSM community" thread
(8:59:51 PM) shadowkirby: i'm there too.
(8:59:52 PM) Raymondbl: interesting
(8:59:57 PM) shadowkirby: (now, anyway.
(8:59:59 PM) Raymondbl: betcha got tons of snow
(9:00:15 PM) Raymondbl: we must have a total of 10 - 15 inches this year
(9:00:25 PM) Raymondbl: very little snow.
(9:00:49 PM) shadowkirby: guess what the temperature was this morning.
(9:01:01 PM) Raymondbl: 20?
(9:01:06 PM) Raymondbl: -10?
(9:01:13 PM) shadowkirby: -54.
(9:01:14 PM) Raymondbl: farenheit of course
(9:01:17 PM) Raymondbl: omfg
(9:01:32 PM) shadowkirby: Yeah.
(9:01:33 PM) Raymondbl: at los angeles it's 80
(9:01:40 PM) Raymondbl: positive 80 degrees
(9:01:42 PM) shadowkirby: is that where you are?
(9:01:45 PM) Raymondbl: worse than summer
(9:01:49 PM) Raymondbl: no I'm in ohio
(9:01:53 PM) shadowkirby: oh, ok.
(9:01:56 PM) Raymondbl: but my friend lives in la
(9:02:03 PM) Raymondbl: *los angeles
(9:02:09 PM) shadowkirby: oh ok
(9:02:32 PM) Raymondbl: right now it's around positive 30 where I'm in.
(9:02:48 PM) Raymondbl: in any event what do you think about jub claiming as seer?
(9:02:59 PM) shadowkirby: LIES HE'S A WUFF.
(9:03:02 PM) shadowkirby: idk
(9:03:08 PM) Raymondbl: hm...
(9:03:12 PM) Raymondbl: idk too
(9:03:17 PM) Raymondbl: very contradicting
(9:03:26 PM) Raymondbl: I've invented a rule
(9:03:40 PM) Raymondbl: "Anything can be contradicted."
(9:03:48 PM) shadowkirby: *like*
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(9:04:08 PM) NSMGuest09 is now known as shadowkirby
(9:04:11 PM) shadowkirby: GRAH
(9:04:28 PM) Raymondbl: ping?
(9:04:48 PM) Raymondbl: your ping is 1.142 seconds
(9:04:51 PM) shadowkirby: no, I accidentally reloaded the page.
(9:04:55 PM) Raymondbl: oh
(9:05:06 PM) Raymondbl: mine is 0.321
(9:05:16 PM) Raymondbl: annyways gotta go
(9:05:19 PM) [Wrydryn]: Huh?
(9:05:20 PM) Raymondbl: play piano.
(9:05:24 PM) [Wrydryn]: Did the game start?
(9:05:24 PM) shadowkirby: no, stay!
(9:05:30 PM) shadowkirby: Kman's coming!
(9:05:34 PM) shadowkirby: YES IT DID.
(9:05:35 PM) Raymondbl: lol you woke up wrydrn?
(9:05:38 PM) [Wrydryn]: Ugh
(9:05:45 PM) [Wrydryn]: I'm watching a movie with etf
(9:05:55 PM) Raymondbl: hm...
(9:05:59 PM) shadowkirby: where?
(9:06:01 PM) Raymondbl: gotta go anyway
(9:06:05 PM) shadowkirby: :(
(9:06:06 PM) Raymondbl: bye peeps
(9:06:17 PM) Raymondbl: see you dead tomorrow
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(9:06:28 PM) shadowkirby: Wry, stay and chat!
(9:06:31 PM) Kman96 [~NSMGuest2@shacops-963528C6.gci.net] entered the room.
(9:06:37 PM) [Wrydryn]: I was planning on it
(9:06:43 PM) shadowkirby: ok!
(9:06:47 PM) shadowkirby: hai kman!
(9:07:36 PM) shadowkirby: psst
(9:07:40 PM) shadowkirby: say somethinf
(9:07:44 PM) shadowkirby: *thing
(9:07:59 PM) Kman96: you are getting too weird... just cuz I know you doesn't mean you have to suck up every time I get on.
(9:08:09 PM) Kman96: ...but hi.
(9:08:26 PM) shadowkirby: What? I always say hi when people go online.
(9:08:30 PM) shadowkirby: Ask wry.
(9:09:00 PM) Kman96: ok.
(9:09:12 PM) shadowkirby: So
(9:09:14 PM) shadowkirby: Wry
(9:09:18 PM) shadowkirby: Are you a wolf?
(9:09:37 PM) Kman96: I thought we weren't supposed to tell anyone O.o
(9:10:12 PM) shadowkirby: I know, but it's an inside joke that mashi started a while back.
(9:12:05 PM) Kman96: whats an inside joke? I'm confused.... :(
(9:12:33 PM) shadowkirby: Asking people outright if they're a wolf.
(9:13:01 PM) Kman96: oh.
(9:13:12 PM) shadowkirby: yup,
(9:13:32 PM) shadowkirby: So
(9:13:33 PM) shadowkirby: TWG
(9:13:46 PM) shadowkirby: You've read the entire topic so far, right?
(9:13:46 PM) Kman96: yeah, I don't plan on telling mny people what I am...or if and what I have...
(9:14:08 PM) Kman96: no. what are you saying?
(9:14:31 PM) shadowkirby: Yeah, but if people ask, you should say you're a human.
(9:15:01 PM) Kman96: I AM A HUMAN.
(9:15:23 PM) shadowkirby: goo job!
(9:15:26 PM) shadowkirby: *good
(9:16:06 PM) Kman96: ha.
(9:16:26 PM) shadowkirby: Who do you think is a wolf?
(9:17:01 PM) Kman96: tbh, you.
(9:17:13 PM) shadowkirby: what
(9:17:14 PM) shadowkirby: why?
(9:17:29 PM) shadowkirby: also
(9:17:31 PM) shadowkirby: post here
(9:17:32 PM) shadowkirby: http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=218.885
(9:18:43 PM) Kman96: ok, I did. what now?
(9:19:19 PM) shadowkirby: now people will probably respond and you will make new internet buddies and happiness will
(9:19:23 PM) shadowkirby: ensue.
(9:19:31 PM) Kman96: um. k?
(9:19:38 PM) shadowkirby: yes.
(9:19:41 PM) shadowkirby: yes it is.
(9:20:33 PM) shadowkirby: So
(9:20:39 PM) shadowkirby: Why do you suspect me?
(9:20:54 PM) Kman96: because its ust you.
(9:21:14 PM) Kman96: I would never go up to someone and just say "I am a human. I can help you."
(9:21:32 PM) shadowkirby: Fair enough, but it IS your first game.
(9:21:37 PM) Kman96: I am gonna hide my identity until the end, or if Im lynched or wolfed
(9:21:42 PM) shadowkirby: ok.
(9:21:57 PM) shadowkirby: But
(9:22:11 PM) shadowkirby: I wouldn't need to ask if you were human if I was a wolf.
(9:22:17 PM) Kman96: just know this- from what I can tell, the wolves are liars, and the humans are the ones telling the truth O.o
(9:22:28 PM) shadowkirby: yes, that is correct.
(9:22:54 PM) shadowkirby: All the wolves know each other, so I would know if you were a human because
(9:23:01 PM) shadowkirby: that is all the remaining roles.
(9:23:10 PM) Kman96: do far, I think I'm doing pretty good.
(9:23:15 PM) Kman96: so*
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(9:23:32 PM) Kman96: hmmmm...touche
(9:23:48 PM) Kman96: but that wouldn't stop you form asking me...
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(9:23:57 PM) shadowkirby: back
(9:24:10 PM) shadowkirby: accidentally closed the tab :/
(9:25:00 PM) Kman96: did you see what I wrote?
(9:25:03 PM) shadowkirby: no, what?
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(9:26:33 PM) shadowkirby: So what did you say?
(9:26:38 PM) Kman96: I said, hmmm...touche, but that wouldn't stop you from asking me...
(9:27:11 PM) shadowkirby: true.
(9:27:40 PM) Kman96: ha ha!
(9:29:16 PM) shadowkirby: yes.
(9:29:19 PM) shadowkirby: very funny.
(9:29:21 PM) shadowkirby: ha ha.
(9:29:39 PM) Kman96: I think I'm doing good on the whole "mind-games"
(9:30:02 PM) shadowkirby: yup,
(9:30:14 PM) shadowkirby: especcially for your first game!
(9:30:38 PM) Kman96: o who else is online?
(9:31:18 PM) shadowkirby: Wry, but he's being oddly quiet.
(9:33:01 PM) shadowkirby: so.
(9:33:05 PM) Kman96: oh ok
(9:33:12 PM) [Wrydryn]: What's up?
(9:33:18 PM) shadowkirby: hey
(9:33:24 PM) [Wrydryn]: I told you, I'm watching a movie
(9:33:37 PM) shadowkirby: you can still chat!
(9:33:44 PM) [Wrydryn]: Not really
(9:33:48 PM) shadowkirby: ok.
(9:33:49 PM) Kman96: yeah, shadowkirby, he's watching a movie!
(9:33:54 PM) shadowkirby: :(
(9:33:57 PM) [Wrydryn]: Doing homework at the same time anyways
(9:34:07 PM) shadowkirby: ok...
(9:34:11 PM) Kman96: oh, now thats tough...
(9:36:23 PM) shadowkirby: tinychat gogogo
(9:36:30 PM) Kman96: code?
(9:36:32 PM) Kman96: stuff?
(9:36:41 PM) shadowkirby: huh?
(9:36:51 PM) Kman96: whats the code to get int otinychat?
(9:36:58 PM) shadowkirby: concertoisawesome
(9:37:59 PM) [Wrydryn]: Oh guys
(9:38:08 PM) [Wrydryn]: Remember to post the logs when everyone is done
(9:38:34 PM) shadowkirby: yup.
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I can't get on the chat. Seriously, I've tried.
Yo swooper get on YIM and I'll explain it to you sometime because I'm really bad at doing it. Otherwise, try http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4025.msg130951#msg130951. Read the next couple of posts because I get a little bit of it wrong in the original.
Or if you use mibbit, the server is irc.drshnaps.com and the channel is #twg.
e: yeah what verm posted should work. :p
We've determined in the chat that second item seer SHOULD NOT claim.
jub What posts have swooper made?
23:07 Verm Not a whole lot.
23:07 Verm Let me check
23:07 jub Oh yeah, was against seer/guardians claiming to the thread, I think?
23:07 jub Or at least the guardians.
23:07 Verm He also seemed to follow me pretty quickly in his first post.
23:08 Verm If I wasn't so sure of my humanity, I'd consider the possibility that we were wolves together!
23:08 jub Well
23:09 jub It seemed like people were voting on whether or not to have them claim to the thread.
23:09 jub Basically, it made sense for him to put his opinion there.
23:09 Verm I think a YIM convo with swooper would probably help.
23:09 jub The part I'm curious about is his opinion; what's wrong with having the guardians claim?
23:09 Verm He seems to change positions.
23:10 jub You seemed to change positions.
23:10 Verm First he says it's bad, then he says he's cool with it.
23:10 Verm Yes but I said I was changing positions.
23:10 Verm He changed positions, and then used his first position to justify his own humanity!
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23:10 jub Slow is a jerk for wording something I said completely wrong.
23:11 jub http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136388#msg136388
23:11 StSwooper hey cool it worked
23:11 jub " "even if he wanted to wolf them, the items are just going to be passed around again next phase."" is what he said I said
23:11 Verm We were just talking about you!
23:11 StSwooper <3
23:11 Verm What's your opinion on the whole having guardian item-holders claiming?
23:11 jub But I said - "even if I were a wolf, wolfing one of them isn't going to stop the item from being passed around the next phase."
23:12 jub Right herE:
23:12 jub http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136352#msg136352
23:12 StSwooper I see no reason for it really
23:12 StSwooper but I guess we already got one claim
23:12 Verm Why did you say you were against it http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136413#msg136413 here?
23:13 Verm wait
23:13 Verm *facepalm*
23:13 StSwooper because the post I responded to said I was suspicious for being for it
23:13 Verm nvm i'm being stupid
23:13 StSwooper yeah
23:13 StSwooper you sure are
23:13 StSwooper its ok I still love you
23:13 Verm I thought you said in your second post that there was no reason for them *not* to claim
23:13 jub Let me explain why I'm having them claim.
23:14 jub Having them claim lets me make sure that both of them are guarding the right person.
23:14 jub If I were to tell person one to guard me and person two to guard someone else,
23:14 jub And person one was a wolf, they would wolf me.
23:14 jub UNLESS
23:14 Verm I think I have a solution to this problem, but continue.
23:15 jub Person two knew their identity and could report it to the thread.
23:15 jub Wolves wouldn't sacrifice one player to prevent a seering, would they?
23:15 jub *d:
23:15 Verm Have K-N guard you, and have the person with the other item guard whoever they want.
23:16 Verm What's most important is that one person's guarding you and the other person is guarding someone random.
23:16 Verm And nobody knows who the randomly-guarded person is.
23:16 jub Okay, that makes sense
23:16 jub So it'd be obvious that kn was a wolf if I got wolfed.
23:17 StSwooper exactly
23:17 StSwooper I definitely see verm's point
23:17 jub But not mine? D:
23:17 Verm If we wanted, we could also have someone claim to have the second guarding item.
23:17 StSwooper I see yours too okay jub
23:17 Verm Even if the second guardian didn't use their item, it would be enough to deter the wolves if someone pretended to be a guardian.
23:17 Verm *deter the wolves from killing jub
23:18 jub But by having someone claim the second guardian, the second guardian should be legit.
23:19 jub Because if there's a false claim and the real one comes out, we have enough inexperienced players that would think you were a wolf for false claiming.
23:20 Verm But I like false-claiming
23:20 Verm Anyways, I probably couldn't do it myself.
23:20 Verm I've already said I'm in favor of having the second guardian claim.
23:20 StSwooper You know what
23:21 StSwooper I think I'm against it
23:21 jub Explain?
23:21 StSwooper If they don't claim then we can have them save the item
23:21 jub ?
23:21 StSwooper if they do claim, they could just get killed tonight
23:21 Verm No we can't.
23:21 Verm Items go bye-bye after one night, if I remember correctly
23:21 StSwooper Do they?
23:21 StSwooper hold on
23:21 StSwooper let me check
23:22 Verm These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
23:22 StSwooper Oh ok
23:22 StSwooper never mind then
23:22 jub Except I still don't really understand your logic
23:22 jub What motive would wolves have to kill somebody who has a one-time use item?
23:22 jub The item is already being used, killing him isn't going to stop it.
23:22 StSwooper It still prevents a guard, right?
23:23 jub I don't think so, and besides, preventing a guard won't do anything.
23:23 StSwooper I meant that it didn't have to be used tonight
23:23 StSwooper but it does so nvm
23:23 Verm I think he meant preventing a killing?
23:24 jub Killing a guardian would be pointless and wouldn't really matter if it prevented the prevention of the killing of the seer.
23:25 jub Because after killing the guardian, guarding the seer is pointless.
23:25 jub because a wolfing already went by????
23:25 StSwooper why do i have to explain faulty logic agh
23:25 jub excuse my faulty wording, sorry
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23:26 jub drumroll
23:26 NSMGuest07 Hey.
23:26 *** NSMGuest07 is now known as gzgregory
23:26 gzgregory Oright oops.
23:26 jub hello
23:26 gzgregory Uh.
23:27 jub So, your opinion on having the second item guardian claiming?
23:27 gzgregory They should
23:27 gzgregory So we can hold them accountable if something happens
23:27 gzgregory Meaning nobody can pull anything
23:27 jub We're planning to have k-n guard me and the second item can guard anyone else
23:28 gzgregory Seems safe
23:28 jub If I die, it would be obvious that k-n was the wolf.
23:28 jub Any questions?
23:28 gzgregory In that case, second person claiming is less useful.
23:28 jub But I suppose it wouldn't really hurt anything?
23:28 gzgregory Nope.
23:29 gzgregory Oh maybe it would, actually
23:29 jub ????
23:29 gzgregory Then the wolves can target that person
23:29 gzgregory wait can you guard yourself
23:29 jub nope
23:29 gzgregory yeah then
23:29 jub Anyways, why would the wolves kill him?
23:29 gzgregory Because it's a certain kill.
23:30 gzgregory Otherwise they might hit the second person's guard
23:30 jub GASP, logic
23:30 Verm So then it would be good to have the second guy quiet
23:30 gzgregory Mhm
23:30 StSwooper now i am back to being against it despite my dumb logic
23:30 jub Okay ty gzgregory
23:30 Verm I'm against it too.
23:31 gzgregory K then,
23:31 Verm Does anyone have any thoughts about Raymond, Kman, and shadowkirby after their chat?
23:31 gzgregory Not really.
23:31 Verm I have a few, but want to see if anyone has any other observations.
23:31 gzgregory Kman probably doesn't know what he's doing
23:31 jub ^
23:31 StSwooper I dont know them well, so none at all
23:31 gzgregory Shadowkirby is sucking up to him for some reason
23:31 Verm Apparently they know each other irl.
23:31 jub shadowkirby and kman ^
23:31 gzgregory Oh.
23:31 jub yeah that
23:31 gzgregory In tha tcase.
23:31 gzgregory That would explain it.
23:32 Verm What jumped out to me about kman was that he was unwilling to even say a human claim.
23:32 Verm It could be a result of inexperience
23:32 gzgregory He might just be being overly suspicious.
23:32 gzgregory As for Raymond, he's acting like he was last game when he was human
23:32 Verm but it could also be that he had overbearing wolf partners who told him not to claim after what happened with popo.
23:32 gzgregory He likes to go off topic
23:32 jub Was that before or after raymond said that people who mentioned being human are 10% more suspicious?
23:33 Verm Oh, I'm not sure.
23:33 Verm After, but kman wasn't there when he said that.
23:33 jub Anyways, I'll post the log of what we have so far.
23:33 jub Aka everything above this line:
23:33 Verm Someone could have been relaying that chat to him, but it's unlikely.
23:33 Verm kool
23:33 jub _______________________________________
kman and shadow seem to be pretty good friends, but maybe because they already know each other. I think Kman's reaction when shadowkirby asked him if he was a wolf is worthy of some suspicion. Kman just seems to be inexperienced on the whole.
Whenever I see people as "pairs" I think they must have something about them, like sfk and wry last game were wolves. In this game, I find it's shadowkirby + Kman and Verm + Swooper.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 29, 2012, 08:34:14 PM23:32 Verm but it could also be that he had overbearing wolf partners who told him not to claim after what happened with popo.
what happened to popo?
and btw what does touche mean?
Well, those pairings can honestly be explained by circumstances unrelated to the game. Shadow and Kman obviously know each other, and Verm and Swooper are both from LLF, so Verm is probably the person Swooper recognizes the most.
Quote from: gzgregory on January 30, 2012, 06:20:54 AMWell, those pairings can honestly be explained by circumstances unrelated to the game. Shadow and Kman obviously know each other, and Verm and Swooper are both from LLF, so Verm is probably the person Swooper recognizes the most.
Pherhaps you are right.
However, some of the things Kman says still makes me uneasy, such as these
Quote(9:09:18 PM) shadowkirby: Are you a wolf?
(9:09:37 PM) Kman96: I thought we weren't supposed to tell anyone O.o
(9:10:12 PM) shadowkirby: I know, but it's an inside joke that mashi started a while back.
(9:12:05 PM) Kman96: whats an inside joke? I'm confused....
(9:12:33 PM) shadowkirby: Asking people outright if they're a wolf.
(9:13:01 PM) Kman96: oh.
(9:13:12 PM) shadowkirby: yup,
(9:13:32 PM) shadowkirby: So
(9:13:33 PM) shadowkirby: TWG
(9:13:46 PM) shadowkirby: You've read the entire topic so far, right?
(9:13:46 PM) Kman96: yeah, I don't plan on telling mny people what I am...or if and what I have...
(9:14:08 PM) Kman96: no. what are you saying?
(9:14:31 PM) shadowkirby: Yeah, but if people ask, you should say you're a human.
(9:15:01 PM) Kman96: I AM A HUMAN.
Quote from: Kman96 on January 28, 2012, 10:17:37 PMSounds like a great story guys...I think I'm ready...to lose.
I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing... :/
I'M A WOLF
^brilliant
Also I must conclude Kman is a wolf. Likely Shadowkirby as well, but that's not for certain. That reaction was just...yeah he's getting my vote come day phase.
I plan on interrogating Kman between classes.
Slow, I agree. Not sure about shadow though. Shadow's alot more experienced though.
Quote from: shadowkirby on January 30, 2012, 01:51:50 PMI plan on interrogating Kman between classes.
lol'ed hard
As for SFK, that was his second post, and his first post said something about Mashi being fast, so he hasn't contributed to the game at all, which makes me suspect him. In his last game he was a wolf, and he also played low-key, but not this low. Though maybe it's just because nothing's happened so far...
I think Kman should be seered.
If we announce to the thread who I'm going to seer, they're going to be painted red.
I have someone else in mind, anyways.
We also have to keep in mind that they could be one of two millers.
*or if they're a wolf, they would paint themselves green.
Ha. you guys are FUUUUUUUNNY!!!! XD I'm gonna tell you right now, I have never lied to anyone about what I am, and or what I may or may not have. I could claim to anything, and some of them I would be lying, but to this i don't lie- I'm human, simple as that. believe it or not, that is the truth.
I know earlier I stated that I wouldn't reveal myself to anyone, but now that I see that you guys are seriously considering me a wolf, I ask you to consider again. I'm not a wolf. Promise.
In TWG, no one but the confirmed Seer/Guardian can be trusted. Promises do not work.
Kman, you liar xD I totally tried to catch him off gaurd after school, but he wouldn't say anything other than "I'm a human."
Fine. You can wolf me, lynch me, whatever it is then...but you humans out there would be losing a player...if you want the wolves to win, kill me.
Because it WILL happen.
You could just as well be saying that as a wolf or as a human. >_>
Why were you acting so unwilling to claim human before?
because I'm a n00b. Why else?
I don't know how to play, I've only assumed thus far, and once you guys assumed I was a wolf, I denied it, and for some reason it only increased your suspicion further...
We were suspicious because you were so unwilling to make any claim at ALL, even a human claim. It made you look like you were being instructed by someone else.
1. Wolf Painter - Sends the Host a PM every Night Phase with the name of a Player and a Colour. For that Night Phase, that Player will be seered that Colour.
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
5. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
Item 1 - Seering Item
Item 2 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
Item 3 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
"shadowkirby is dead!" someone shouted!
Saint Swooper woke up alarmed. He quickly got up and headed to the direction of the scream.
When he reached there, he saw a man in black clothing staring solemnly at shadowkirby. This man was not from the Grove.
"Who are you?"
The mysterious man removed the sunglasses he was wearing. Saint Swooper's eyes widened; he was petrified.
"I thought you were dead!" Saint Swooper yelled.
"You thought wrong." the man replied.
With all this commotion occurring, an audience of the members of the Grove gathered around the mysterious man and Saint Swooper.
Saint Swooper glanced around nervously.
"You can't escape." the mysterious man said.
"Why are you here... Dude!?" Saint Swooper shouted.
"Tsk, tsk." Dude answered. He took out a card.
"Spell Card: This Would Probably Be More Effective As A Gun!" Dude shouted.
A bullet appeared out of the card and shot Saint Swooper. Everyone gasped.
Wrydryn, SlowPokemon, and SuperFireKirby surrounded Dude and punched him down while everyone else attempted to cater Saint Swooper.
"He's dying!" blueflower999 yelled.
"Then let him die."
Everyone turned to the voice. It was the master, Jub3r7.
"Saint Swooper, why have you really come to our Grove?" he asked.
The question was rhetorical. Saint Swooper had already fallen unconscious and would soon die.
"Because you are an evil spirit trying to garner the enchanted power of our Grove for malevolent purposes." he answered solemnly. "You are no Saint." he added sardonically. "Now, stop beating on Dude, you three, and permit me to explain".
Night 1 has ended. shadowkirby has been wolfed! Saint Swooper has been killed and replaced! It is now Day 1. Day 1 will end on February 1st at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
1. Saint Swooper Dude
2. vermilionvermin
3. blueflower999
4. shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn
6. gzgregory
7. SlowPokemon
8. Raymondbl
9. xK-NiGhTx
10. Jub3r7
11. SuperFireKirby
12. Kman96
Story will be edited in later.
Kman, you're not convincing whatsoever. Also no irl conversations about twg guys!
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 30, 2012, 06:04:13 PMKman, you're not convincing whatsoever. Also no irl conversations about twg guys!
Didn't Mashi say in the Minesweeper game that IRL conversations were allowed?
I'm going to go in a little bit of a different direction here. Raymondbl.
Kman's probably #2 on my suspicion list, but Raymond is a little bit higher. It seems as if he was rushed by a lot of people right at the end of the night phase. I'm not quite ready yet to write off all four or so of those people as humans. I'd still be supporting the Kman lynch if there weren't a better option though because sometimes wolves realize their partner's going down and abandon ship. Given how secretive TWG is in nature, it's not completely unreasonable to think that Kman might assume that he was supposed to keep his role secret.
I'll admit that I haven't played a full game with Raymond yet, but his behavior seems odd, to say the least. His judgments on people are strange. It seemed random and baseless for him to say that Wry was probably a human because of the story (which is irrelevant). Then he tried to throw suspicion on Jub, myself, Slow, and Swooper because we all supported having the people with items claim.
Some unforseen circumstances are making it so I won't have stable Internet for a few days. I hate to do this, but I have to Drop Out. Maybe another time, sorry Mashi.
I've seered kman green.
gosh, I was expecting at least one person to have voted for me by now.
sry I haven't been active, like, at all. I'll be on irc for a bit tonight if anyone wants to discuss junk.
Quote from: Saint Swooper on January 30, 2012, 06:28:04 PMSome unforseen circumstances are making it so I won't have stable Internet for a few days. I hate to do this, but I have to Drop Out. Maybe another time, sorry Mashi.
Nooooooooo. :(
I'm pretty sure we said no IRL discussions. IRL is in person, not skype or a type of voice chat.
If you want to talk about things like this go here: TWG Suggestions, Comments , and Questions (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=1068.120)
Also it sounds like him just saying that he was just human was another way of saying, "I'm not talking about the game"
On another note, sorry for not being active in irc so far, I was busy last night and was sleeping for most of today.
Seering notwithstanding, I don't think Kman is a wolf, because of the shadowkirby wolfing. Shadowkirby, of course, was pressuring Kman in real life (not allowed but he couldn't know this), and if he were a wolf, undoubtedly he would want to kill off shadowkirby. But there are three wolves, and in all likelihood considering the skill level of these players, at least one wolf would recognize the danger of targeting shadowkirby and make sure the wolfing went to someone else.
I think this could possibly be an attempt to frame Kman.
What'd I miss?
And safety on SFK because he's totes a wolf.
The only way he could be green and still be a wolf is if he or a partner painted him red.
I mentioned that I had someone else in mind in my seering in hopes to throw off the wolves, and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't have worked.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 30, 2012, 02:54:50 PMIf we announce to the thread who I'm going to seer, they're going to be painted red.
I have someone else in mind, anyways.
We also have to keep in mind that they could be one of two millers.
Jub you shouldn't have seered Kman.
Even if you did say that comment about seering someone else, Kman is the most suspected suspect right now and in my opinion it was very obvious that you were still going to seer him. I think he was painted.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 06:17:26 PMHis judgments on people are strange. It seemed random and baseless for him to say that Wry was probably a human because of the story (which is irrelevant).
Ok now I'm really starting to suspect you.
I think Wry was a human because there is a wolf painter, and Wry is portrayed as a painter in the story, and it would be exeedingly strange/wrong/ridiculous if he was both the wolf painter and portrayed as a painter in the story. That would... ruin things up, to say it simply. If you didn't understand what I was getting at though...
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 06:17:26 PMThen he tried to throw suspicion on Jub, myself, Slow, and Swooper because we all supported having the people with items claim.
I did
not try to throw suspicion on them/you.
1. I just think that a wolf would like to have more information and have people claim so they know who's who and who has what, if they just want to wolf people with items or whatever.
2. Therefore, a wolf would definitely want people to claim, and at least one of you four must be a wolf.
3. I also thought, at the time, that people claiming to the thread would have no harm. However, there are some people that don't think that way, and I think those people are not wolves.
4. I was not throwing suspicion, just using that information as a base for other things to stack up onto it, forming my acutal suspicions.
I know my wording is kind of strange.... but just don't want to be misunderstood, which happens alot to me.
And now, Vermillion, I am starting to suspect you, because wolves typically don't support wolfing their own comrades and they try to change everyone's thoughts to a different direction. As you said -
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 06:17:26 PMI'm going to go in a little bit of a different direction here.
Wrydrn did a good job of it last time. He directed everyone's thoughts to davy.
And plus I don't think many people would misunderstand what I said in those posts, so you may be doing it on purpose.
CONCLUSION:
Verm - is trying to change everyone's direction and "misinterpreted" my "suspicions." Result? Second on my suspect list.
SUSPECT LIST:
Kman - is inexperienced and said some things that sounded almost like an accidental slip, like in the irc. I think he isn't enjoying the game right now, and maybe we should wait a phase or two to make sure. I still think he's a wolf though.
Verm - stated above.
No other real suspects.
BTW - I think the wolves were trying to frame me by wolfing Shadow. In irc, I said "see you dead tomorrow." directed to Shadowkirby. Just a thought. gzgreg, that's a possibility, the wolves typically like to frame people or least suspected people so that other people can be finished off by the humans. I still think that there is a high possibility that Kman was painted. If Kman was not a wolf, he would have been painted red.
Quote from: Dude on January 30, 2012, 07:01:01 PMWhat'd I miss?
And safety on SFK because he's totes a wolf.
What the...you aren't playing? You should take Swooper's place though now that he quit.
http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4128.msg136618#msg136618
slowpoke.
So I had a quick chat with Kman (and Wry and gz, but Kman's more important) and I'm going to stick by both my earlier sentiments. Kman seemed very human in the chat, and I found no reason not to suspect Raymond.
Beginning with the stuff about you not suspecting Wry, I understand what Raymond said. But the fact that something irrelevant to the game changed his opinion on whether or not Wry was a wolf is certainly concerning.
A Wry-Raymond-Someone else wolf pairing makes a lot of sense. Wry's basically skirted the Raymond issue, which is one he as an experienced player should have an opinion on. It would make sense if he were a wolf trying to push this issue under the table because he's trying to protect his wolf partner. Conversely, Raymond decided that Wry was likely a human based on a name-drop in the story. Based on my skimmings of his other posts, I haven't seen him conclude that a player besides Wry is a human.
Now on to the argument made by the numbered points:
The wolves generally have more information than the humans. The wolves thrive when people are confused because their knowledge allows them to know what's going on. Thus, the less knowledge the general public has, the greater the advantage the wolves have. I'm not sure if your third point was a step back saying you agreed with me then or not.
I guess the main point of my argument is that Raymond was suggesting that a lot of people could be wolves on Night 1 but seemed to assume that Wry wasn't for a reason that I hold no stock in. This is compounded by the fact that Wry doesn't seem to have any opinion on whether or not Raymond's a wolf. This is an advantageous position for a wolf to take because it allows him to avoid suspicion from both those who think he is a wolf and those who think he isn't.
The log I mentioned earlier's coming in my next post.
Quote19:12 *** Verm joined #twg
Night 1 has ended. shadowkirby has been wolfed! It is now Day 1. Day 1 will end on February 1st at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
Topic set by Master_Gamer38 on Mon Jan 30 2012 18:58:44 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
19:12 gzgregory If you were wolfed, on the other hand, you would be confirmed human and everyone would look for a different target
19:12 gzgregory O hi verm
19:12 Verm hi
19:12 Verm what are we talking about?
19:12 gzgregory whether Kman is a wolf
19:12 Verm did i walk in on a sekrit wuff meeting????
19:12 gzgregory oh fudge
19:12 [Wrydryn] Yah
19:12 gzgregory I have to go ><
19:13 Verm kewl
19:13 [Wrydryn] Later then
19:13 gzgregory Yeah, bye
19:13 Verm gr8est wuff-finder evar
19:13 gzgregory gj verm
19:13 Kman96 oh, I'm still iffy on the term usage
19:13 *** gzgregory quit (Q:- ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912])
19:13 [Wrydryn] <- Gr8est wulf-evar
19:13 Verm hey thats not what i said
19:14 [Wrydryn] Wait, what terms Kman?
19:15 Kman96 "lynch" and "wolfed"
19:15 Verm oh
19:15 Verm lynch means day-killed
19:15 [Wrydryn] lynching is when the players vote to kill someone
19:15 Verm wolf means killed by the wolves
19:15 Verm wry's explanation is better
19:15 [Wrydryn] Wolfing is when the wolves/red players kill someone
19:18 [Wrydryn] I'm going to take a shower and finish up my essay
19:18 [Wrydryn] later
19:18 Verm k
19:20 Kman96 so of what importance are the millers?
19:21 Verm They're humans, but they are seered red.
19:21 Verm They don't know that they're millers though.
19:22 Kman96 oh, so they're on the wolf team?
19:22 Verm Not really.
19:22 Verm They're on the human team, but it looks like they're on the wolf team if they are seered.
19:23 [Wrydryn] Would be better if there was also a traitor too
19:24 Verm In this game?
19:26 Kman96 oh, thanks guys, I gtg
19:26 *** Kman96 left #twg
19:27 Verm I think Kman seemed human.
19:30 [Wrydryn] Yah, seems fair enough to match up with the human seering then
"The wolves generally have more information than the humans. The wolves thrive when people are confused because their knowledge allows them to know what's going on. Thus, the less knowledge the general public has, the greater the advantage the wolves have."
I agree with vermilionvermin. It does appear that they have more information than the humans, but then think about this:
Wolves know who the humans are. Humans don't know who the wolves are. HOWEVER. I've claimed I'm human many times(as I still am), but although many were confuddled by my revelation, those who attempted to question me directly seemed to doubt me the most (take shadowkirby for example). Therefore, those who have questioned me about my claim to be human didn't know I'm human, thus being other humans, and those who didn't (you know who you are)...
...are wolves. you didn't ask me any questions because you had no reason to doubt me; you already knew I was human! there is, unfortunately probably a smart wolf or two who already thought of that, and asked me questions, so this theory is not totally eye-opening. you clever ones out there can figure it out for yourselves.
there's my two-cents.
Oh noes! I'm dead! Avenge me!
At Kman, I think most (well probably all) players in this game would be good enough to pretend to question your humanity. In fact they might be more careful to do so.
As for the Raymond issue... stop bringing the story into your arguments, Ray, it's supposed to be irrelevant to the actual game. As for the item claiming issue, the wolves have nothing to gain from wolfing someone with a guardian item, and safeguards are in place to stop them from wolfing the person with the seering item. As verm said, the more information the humans have, the better.
Wry's been rather ambivalent about everything this game, not just Raymond... he said nothing about the whole item claiming shenanigans, either.
Quote from: gzgregory on January 30, 2012, 09:07:52 PMAs for the Raymond issue... stop bringing the story into your arguments,
I only did it once ;D
Quote from: gzgregory on January 30, 2012, 09:07:52 PMRay, it's supposed to be irrelevant to the actual game.
Exactly. If Wrydrn is both a wolf painter in the game and a painter in the story, then the story would have been relevant to the game, and Mashi doesn't want that, so if Wrydrn's not a wolf painter, then the story would
not be relevant to the game, which is what I'm getting at.
Quote from: gzgregory on January 30, 2012, 09:07:52 PMAs for the item claiming issue, the wolves have nothing to gain from wolfing someone with a guardian item, and safeguards are in place to stop them from wolfing the person with the seering item. As verm said, the more information the humans have, the better.
The wolves can be sure that the people with the guardian items aren't being guarded, because tghey cannot guard themselves. Therefore the wolves would not risk having their wolfing blocked.
The more information the humans have, the better. The more information the wolves have, the better for them too. However, three of the humans already have that information. Would the wolves sacrifice all the humans having that information to have that information themselves? I think so, since it's of little importance to the humans.
I can say that I was given the second guarding item on night phase 1. I was debating whether to guard SFK or Shadow (since I knew the possible repercussions of my joke) but decided to guard SFK instead because I deemed him as a more skilled player. That was a mistake, I should have guarded the person most likely to be wolfed. Idiot me.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 08:00:22 PMKman seemed very human in the chat,
no he doesn't... he seemed same as before. Everything he said in the chat could've been said by either a wolf or a human. You're slowly starting to defend Kman and direct everyone's attention to me so Kman won't be lynched.
If I were another human, I would advise everyone to keep their attention focused on Kman but to keep an eye on me too. Just don't let Verm lead you away from him.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 08:00:22 PMBeginning with the stuff about you not suspecting Wry, I understand what Raymond said. But the fact that something irrelevant to the game changed his opinion on whether or not Wry was a wolf is certainly concerning.
The story would be relevant to the game if:
1. Wry is a wolf painter. Why? Because he's a painter in the story.
The story would only be irrelevant to the game if:
1. Wry is a good painter in real life.
2. Wry is not a wolf painter.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 08:00:22 PMA Wry-Raymond-Someone else wolf pairing makes a lot of sense. Wry's basically skirted the Raymond issue, which is one he as an experienced player should have an opinion on. It would make sense if he were a wolf trying to push this issue under the table because he's trying to protect his wolf partner. Conversely, Raymond decided that Wry was likely a human based on a name-drop in the story. Based on my skimmings of his other posts, I haven't seen him conclude that a player besides Wry is a human.
Wry's probably kind of angry at me for dragging his name into this mess. For all I know Wry could be a wolf. He might not be, and he might not trust me either.
Of course I can't conclude another player is a human. No blues, there are painters, millers, etc. I'm just using the irrelevant-story as a source of some info.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 08:00:22 PMThe wolves generally have more information than the humans. The wolves thrive when people are confused because their knowledge allows them to know what's going on. Thus, the less knowledge the general public has, the greater the advantage the wolves have.
yes, but the more knowledge the wolves have, the greater advantage they have too. At the time of posting, I wasn't thoroughly thinking about it, but now I also think having that particular piece of information would benefeit the wolves more than it would benefeit the humans.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 08:00:22 PMI'm not sure if your third point was a step back saying you agreed with me then or not.
No, it's not. You misunderstood. I guess this is not all your fault then.
Quote from: Raymondbl3. I also thought, at the time, that people claiming to the thread would have no harm. However, there are some people that don't think that way, and I think those people are not wolves.
I meant, that
1. I had the same opinion that claiming to the thread would do no harm.
2. At the time of posting, I thought that wolves would
definitely want people to claim to the thread.
3. so at the time of posting I concluded that people who were against claiming were not wolves.
4. I concluded that anyone who was for claiming would have a chance of being a wolf, and at least one of them would be a wolf.
5. I knew at the time that there were likely to have humans support claiming to the thread too.
Full of contradictions, but my basic point is people who were against claiming were probably not wolves.
to explain further, I think everyone that was for claiming would have their suspicion level upped by 5%, no more. In my book, your suspicion level is around 60 - 70% right now.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 08:00:22 PMI guess the main point of my argument is that Raymond was suggesting that a lot of people could be wolves on Night 1 but seemed to assume that Wry wasn't for a reason that I hold no stock in.
I just thought they were a tad more likely than some of the others, because wolves were 90% sure to support claiming. If you don't hold stock on it, you should at least understand why I hold stock on it.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 30, 2012, 08:00:22 PMThis is compounded by the fact that Wry doesn't seem to have any opinion on whether or not Raymond's a wolf. This is an advantageous position for a wolf to take because it allows him to avoid suspicion from both those who think he is a wolf and those who think he isn't.
No, it's just because Wry has no reason to trust me and I dragged him into the situation, he didn't really do anything.
Since no one's voted for
Kman yet, I might as well. The biggest reason is because I think he was painted.
Kman because if he was seered red, it makes him a threat
Guys I've got a gut feeling that one of the wolves last game is also a wolf this game. That means SFK, Wry, or Blueflower. Though gut feelings aren't really reliable, just wanted to throw this out... just in case I'm right.
Raymond's been contributing enough that I don't want to lynch him if he is a human.
I'm going to vote Slow for now because he's quiet and jumped on Kman. He could be a wolf trying to jump on the bandwagon.
I believe slow was suspicious of him for the same reasons you were, vermillion.
Also, raymond, note that game stories have NOTHING to do with the actual roles. :P
And kman was seered green, please change your vote xK. :(
And honestly I don't think kman was painted.
It might seem obvious to you that I was going to seer him anyways, but I really did have in mind to seer somebody else when I made that post.
*By game roles having NOTHING to do with game story, I mean that if he was the painter in the story, it wouldn't change the probability of him being the real painter from it's original chance (1/12).
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 31, 2012, 12:00:39 PMRaymond's been contributing enough that I don't want to lynch him if he is a human.
you'll probably wolf me this night phase anyway.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 31, 2012, 12:00:39 PMI'm going to vote Slow for now because he's quiet and jumped on Kman. He could be a wolf trying to jump on the bandwagon.
I agree that he's being oddly quiet this game, but his vote on Kman seems reasonable to me. I would lynch Kman first.
You seem to be avoiding anything against Kman and instead find faults with other players. That means either you're a wolf or you don't suspect Kman. I would like to know why you don't suspect him.
Here are some things I thought of:
1. You can glean much information from wolfings. Find the reason the player got wolfed, and if it's not something like framing someone or something then you take a look at the player's suspicion list and work from there.
2. This night phase we should do the same thing as last night phase. Seer and item 2 claims, item 2 person guards seer. item 3 person guards whoever he thinks is the best player/most likely to be wolfed.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 31, 2012, 12:16:24 PMAnd honestly I don't think kman was painted.
It might seem obvious to you that I was going to seer him anyways, but I really did have in mind to seer somebody else when I made that post.
Now that I think of it... it doesn't matter who you were going to seer. I think the wolves would have painted him anyway, since he's practically the only suspicion there is. Not one other person was suspected, so they would do good by painting Kman. If Kman is a wolf, it wouldn't have been worth the risk to paint someone else. I think there's around a 90% chance he got painted.
An alternative theory is that you are a wolf, but I don't think so.
Gosh I look back at my posts and it's like I see wolves hiding in every corner.
If you think you act like a wolf and know you're human, you should take a look at who you think is a wolf and reconsider it. d:
aka kman. I'm not really sure about vermillion but I'm going to have to say that it's more likely kman was 'framed' from the shadowkirby wolfing than having been painted green.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 31, 2012, 12:32:23 PMaka kman. I'm not really sure about vermillion but I'm going to have to say that it's more likely kman was 'framed' from the shadowkirby wolfing than having been painted green.
Think about it. If you were a wolf painter, who would you have painted? SFK? Verm? Shadow? There would be almost no choice but Kman.
Another alternative theory is that the wolves knew that we would know Kman is painted, so they left him be to make it look like he was painted green, trying to frame him that way. I don't think it's likely though.
Umm...more than a little suspicious of Raymond, just cause there's no real reason to guard Shadowkirby, but you said you almost did? And then he was wolfed.
Gonna vote raymond for now because last time I jumped on things and ended up being wrong. This time I'm taking it a little more slowly.
I find it highly probable that Kman was painted green, though.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 31, 2012, 12:47:12 PMUmm...more than a little suspicious of Raymond, just cause there's no real reason to guard Shadowkirby, but you said you almost did? And then he was wolfed.
If you read all my posts I told you all that In the IRC, when I left I made a joke saying "see you dead tomorrow!" I was actually meaning myself, but then realized it sounded like I was saying Shadowkirby was going to die. That's why I was thinking about guarding him. And I would have done well to, but was frickin' stupid.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 31, 2012, 12:47:12 PMI find it highly probable that Kman was painted green, though.
same.
Oops...i dunno where i heard red. Sorry Kman. Changing to Raymondbl cuz of his strange behavior.
First to Raymond: Not guarding shadowkirby was not really stupid move, as you really could guess who the wolves are going to wolf.(Well you might be able to guess someone like Slow or Jub or Wry) but with most members on here not really being "noob players", you'd probably expect wolfish trickity-tricks instead of flat-out wolfing the most skilled player.
Also, in many of your posts(especially the really long one), it seems to me like you're just talking in circles.
Also what's the basis for the whole "kman was painted green" thing? Both Rayray and Slow are supporting it and I haven't been attentive enough to the game to know much of what has happened.
As this is kman's first game, he said some things that you wouldn't expect to hear.
For example,
Quote(9:09:12 PM) shadowkirby: So
(9:09:14 PM) shadowkirby: Wry
(9:09:18 PM) shadowkirby: Are you a wolf?
(9:09:37 PM) Kman96: I thought we weren't supposed to tell anyone O.o
Things such as this led to suspicion of him. raymond says
Quote from: Raymondbl on January 30, 2012, 02:51:48 PMI think Kman should be seered.
*go to the post to see the full message.
I respond:
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 30, 2012, 02:54:50 PMIf we announce to the thread who I'm going to seer, they're going to be painted red.
I have someone else in mind, anyways.
We also have to keep in mind that they could be one of two millers.
But then I seer him anyways.
Kman is looking more like a confused player in his first game to me than like a wolf, but the fact that Jub is defending Kman, maintaining that he wasn't painted despite the fact that it is possible, has brought another potential scenario to light for me. If Jub and Kman are wolves, then Jub could simply say that Kman was green without a painting even being necessary. Not very likely, but it's something to think about.
Quote from: Raymondbl on January 31, 2012, 11:58:13 AMGuys I've got a gut feeling that one of the wolves last game is also a wolf this game. That means SFK, Wry, or Blueflower. Though gut feelings aren't really reliable, just wanted to throw this out... just in case I'm right.
I'm not a wolf. And I'm being a little inactive, sorry guys! And I'm going to vote
K-N for being a little over suspicious of Raymond and partially for a safety too.
Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 31, 2012, 02:00:05 PMOops...i dunno where i heard red. Sorry Kman. Changing to Raymondbl cuz of his strange behavior.
strange behavior... really nice reason. If you really are going to vote for me, at least give quotes of what you think is strange, and I will either explain myself or say defense is futile and die. Btw one vote means alot, so watch who you vote for. And isn't Kman's behavior strange? Seriously, why is everyone forgetting about him? See below.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on January 31, 2012, 02:09:54 PMAlso, in many of your posts(especially the really long one), it seems to me like you're just talking in circles.
That's because I tried to make it so that it was IMPOSSIBLE to misunderstand me, because of what ALWAYS happens to me in ANY argument, people misunderstand, misinterpret, or otherwise completely destroy my meaning, and the end result is the worst possible. That's why I repeat, restate, clarify, do anything to make it so I'm not misunderstood. I'm sick of it. If you remember, most of the arguments I have ever been in were made by misunderstandings.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on January 31, 2012, 02:09:54 PMAlso what's the basis for the whole "kman was painted green" thing? Both Rayray and Slow are supporting it and I haven't been attentive enough to the game to know much of what has happened.
As I have already stated before, but some of you ignored is that -
1. It was obvious Jub was going to seer Kman
2. What would you do if you were the wolf painter? Who except Kman would you have painted that phase? He is the most likely to be seered, no matter what Jub did or would have said, and the most suspected. There was not one other suspect at the time.
SFK - 1 vote by Dude
Slow - 1 vote by Verm
Kman - 1 vote by me!??
Raymond - 2 votes by xK-N and Slow.
Slow and xK-N and SFK, I have already explained myself. If you still have questions, ask them while I still have a chance to defend myself. I still don't see why people aren't suspecting Kman anymore.
Quote from: gzgregory on January 31, 2012, 03:59:15 PMKman is looking more like a confused player in his first game to me than like a wolf, but the fact that Jub is defending Kman, maintaining that he wasn't painted despite the fact that it is possible, has brought another potential scenario to light for me. If Jub and Kman are wolves, then Jub could simply say that Kman was green without a painting even being necessary. Not very likely, but it's something to think about.
Exactly one of my thoughts. As stated here to Jub -
Quote from: Raymondbl on January 31, 2012, 12:23:53 PMAn alternative theory is that you are a wolf.
I am working on Jub at the moment.
BTW if anyone thinks I'm posting so much as to be annoying, let me know.
Quote from: gzgregory on January 31, 2012, 03:59:15 PMKman is looking more like a confused player in his first game to me than like a wolf, but the fact that Jub is defending Kman, maintaining that he wasn't painted despite the fact that it is possible, has brought another potential scenario to light for me. If Jub and Kman are wolves, then Jub could simply say that Kman was green without a painting even being necessary. Not very likely, but it's something to think about.
Defending him because I think he's human and not many other people are defending him. :(
In fact, I sorta tried to defend raymond and slow after verm voted them because I could argue against the reasoning behind his votes; I can see your perspective but I don't really agree with it.
My style of play is a little different from most people; I have an easier time guessing who's human rather than who's a wolf, and from the remaining list of people I guess the wolves.
Also, I might be slightly biased because if he really was a wolf then my seering fake-out didn't actually work. D:
But honestly I like to think it did.
After looking at Jub's previous posts, he does not seem like a wolf to me. He gave us some ideas that a wolf would not want us to think of.
Jub, do you agree that you would have painted Kman if you were a wolf?
I honestly don't think I would have, but like I said, I'm biased because I want to think it worked. :(
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 31, 2012, 04:35:17 PMDefending him because I think he's human and not many other people are defending him. :(
In fact, I sorta tried to defend raymond and slow after verm voted them because I could argue against the reasoning behind his votes; I can see your perspective but I don't really agree with it.
My style of play is a little different from most people; I have an easier time guessing who's human rather than who's a wolf, and from the remaining list of people I guess the wolves.
Also, I might be slightly biased because if he really was a wolf then my seering fake-out didn't actually work. D:
But honestly I like to think it did.
Yeah I don't think your defense was uncalled for or odd. You're kind of playing devil's advocate and looking at everything. I...think I'm sticking with Raymond, mostly because I'm not sure about Kman and have no real other leads.
Actually, I probably would have wolfed a more experienced player such as SFK, Wry, Verm, or Slow.
Then paint either another experienced player or maybe even Swooper.
In fact, I think I was planning to seer him but suspected that he would suspect that I would want to seer him so I seered kman instead, albeit what I said previously.
e: ninja'd by slow, brb google defining devil's advocate lol
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Yep, the latter part of the definition sounds about right. Don't I always do that?
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 31, 2012, 04:51:17 PMI honestly don't think I would have, but like I said, I'm biased because I want to think it worked. :(
I think you do have a bit of bias, Jub. Sorry.
I do not see how Kman was not painted. Just do not see how.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 31, 2012, 04:52:05 PMYeah I don't think your defense was uncalled for or odd. You're kind of playing devil's advocate and looking at everything. I...think I'm sticking with Raymond, mostly because I'm not sure about Kman and have no real other leads.
I have already explained myself, and if you still think I'm suspicious you should tell me what is still suspicious about me so that I can explain myself and not be lynched. You have no excuse.
After looking back at my posts, I think I am being a little overzealous. And a little overactive. I think I'm by far the most active person right now.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 31, 2012, 04:54:21 PMActually, I probably would have wolfed a more experienced player such as SFK, Wry, Verm, or Slow.
Then paint either another experienced player or maybe even Swooper.
Wolfing is out of the question.
No one was suspected at all. No one, except for Kman. They paint the most suspected person, not the most experienced, just like I should have guarded the most likely wolfing candidate instead of the most experienced.
Saying you don't see how he possibly wasn't painted? That's extreme. :o there's still a chance he is a human.
Quote from: Raymondbl on January 31, 2012, 05:01:00 PMWolfing is out of the question.
No one was suspected at all. No one, except for Kman. They paint the most suspected person, not the most experienced, just like I should have guarded the most likely wolfing candidate instead of the most experienced.
Shadowkirby's wolfing could easily been made to frame kman. :/
And honestly all of the "suspicion" on him was debate on whether his behavior was explained by his inexperience or by a wolf role; the only reason I seered him is because you suggested it and I took advantage of the fact that I made it appear that I wasn't.
Sorry guys, I just don't have the time this round.
You're up, winter! XD
UGH no good lynch has popped up.
Raymond's probably most suspicious but also one of the more active people here.
Dude/Winter both joined this phase, so idk about them.
I think Kman's behavior in the chat indicated that he wasn't aware that everyone was supposed to act human regardless of their role.
My vote stays on Slow for now as a safety.
The heck?
Well I don't know my role. So..... :|
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 31, 2012, 07:42:49 PMRaymond's probably most suspicious
I'm still asking everyone with no answer... how?
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 31, 2012, 07:42:49 PMI think Kman's behavior in the chat indicated that he wasn't aware that everyone was supposed to act human regardless of their role.
As mentioned before, I think there's an extremely good chance he was painted, and if so then he's a wolf. Regardless of his previous actions. Besides he's not posting anymore.
Quote from: Raymondbl on February 01, 2012, 04:49:24 AMAs mentioned before, I think there's an extremely good chance he was painted, and if so then he's a wolf. Regardless of his previous actions.
There's also a good chance that he wasn't painted because of Jub's ruse. :l
Quote from: Raymondbl on February 01, 2012, 04:49:24 AMI'm still asking everyone with no answer... how?
It's mostly a bit of a vibe for me, but you seem to be completely adamant on killing Kman although there's a fairly good chance he's not a wolf, and that's enough to raise anyone's alarm bells. Also the circling SFK mentioned.
Quote from: gzgregory on February 01, 2012, 06:36:11 AMThere's also a good chance that he wasn't painted because of Jub's ruse. :l
It seems as if the majority of people believe Jub's ruse would of worked, but if I were a wolf, even if I believed Jub, I would have still painted Kman, because there's no one else good to paint. If you don't get that, either I'm stupid, or...
Quote from: gzgregory on February 01, 2012, 06:36:11 AMIt's mostly a bit of a vibe for me, but you seem to be completely adamant on killing Kman although there's a fairly good chance he's not a wolf, and that's enough to raise anyone's alarm bells.
If he weren't seered green, I would agree there's going to be a 50/50 chance he's not a wolf. But with the seering results...
Quote from: gzgregory on February 01, 2012, 06:36:11 AMAlso the circling SFK mentioned.
I already explained that... the reason for that is because I need to keep re-explaining everything, like right now... you should go back and read some of my posts.
This is my only chance to defend myself, my piano lesson is today and I don't get back until just before the lynching, so I would prefer if you guys not kill me. If no one changes their vote, then I'm dead.
Any more questions/reasons you suspect me?
What do you mean, he was the only person to paint? Honestly, the wolves could have figured that we were just going to kill him anyway and seer someone else.
Quote from: gzgregory on February 01, 2012, 11:25:43 AMWhat do you mean, he was the only person to paint? Honestly, the wolves could have figured that we were just going to kill him anyway and seer someone else.
I don't get it.
And scratch what I said earlier, I won't come back until after the lynching because I'm going swimming.
See ya. Please don't kill me.
The only reason I haven't posted in a while is because I have been busy with schoolwork and things, but I've kept up cvery well with the forums, and your guys' theories are quite impressive...
but all wrong. I'm a human. I haven't been painted or anything. SO STOP GUESSING THAT! XD seriously, everytime I get on, I laugh so hard at how in-depth you all go just to try to find out what I am... :/
I was seered green because I AM green. Live with it.
I thought Kman was human before it was cool 8)
Stupid schoolwork >:( lemme play TWG! Uggg...
Two hours left, guys! D:
Also xK, kman was seered green????
yes I was seered green! you can seer me again, and I'll still be green!!! :D
thanks verm XD
This...is probably going to solidify my vote for Raymond. It's worth a shot.
Two hours left meaning we need to find somebody else to vote within the next two hours.
Raymond's suspicion of kman was a bit too intense but the amount that he contributed makes him seem slightly human.
Wry/Winter and swooper/Dude haven't stated anything on the matter.
...xK-NiGhTx made his vote based on information he read incorrectly??? Half-safety half-vote on him for now.
gzgregory actually helped us determine the plan for why the second seer shouldn't claim and also contributed well-written reasoning on the matter with kman.
vermillionvermin seems to not be sided against kman, but with him it's extremely difficult to tell. :(
I read somewhere in the last game that someone thought he was a bad choice for manti-rule?
That's a bit contrary to the truth; verm, aka Nighthawk, can be a strong player for the humans or the wolves.
SlowPokemon also seemed to agree with raymond regarding k, but wasn't as extreme on the matter.
Just because one's reasoning is faulty doesn't mean you're a wolf, which I think is the case with raymond.
*I forgot to mention SFK, blueflower and mashi.
going to reread the thread for the former two because I don't remember what they said! D:
However I believe Mashi claimed please in the chat for others to claim to him, but I'm worried that he may have developed some false-claiming habits from liggy.. :/
I saw like, two posts by blueflower? or just one.
"This is going to be a great game" or something like that.
It's not much to work off of but I feel like he would be more nervous if he were a wolf; then again, there's still not a lot of base for this conjecture.
SFK was inactive towards the beginning, apologized and asked for an explanation of current events. I explained and he never posted again. :(
Quote from: Jub3r7 on February 01, 2012, 04:22:47 PMHowever I believe Mashi claimed please in the chat for others to claim to him, but I'm worried that he may have developed some false-claiming habits from liggy.. :/
When was this?
I feel like it was a while back!!!
The fact that you don't remember something like this makes me think yous a wuff!!
Anyways!
There are 20 minutes left in the phase. Kman seems human and the only person against him also seems human.
x-K still hasn't provided any other reasoning besides the fact that "kman was seered red", so I'll keep my vote on him for now.
Vote count in just a second.
wait jub3r7 no i did it already
and omg totes not
ok you totes cut me :(
1. Saint Swooper Dude - SFK
2. Vermilionvermin – Slow
3. blueflower999 - Knight
4. Shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn -
6. Gzgregory -
7. SlowPokemon - Raymond
8. Raymondbl - Knight
9. xK-NiGhTx - Raymond
10. Jub3r7 - Knight
11. SuperFireKirby -
12. Kman96 -
Eck, changing vote to a safety on verm because I missed the part where x-K changed his vote to raymond. D:
Oh, Mashi, Winter took wry's place. wry dropped out.
also winter needs a role pm too.
Anyone who's online should get in tha chat
Quote from: Mashi on February 01, 2012, 05:42:22 PM8. Raymondbl - Knight
When did raymond change his vote from kman, Mashi? I can't find iiit. D:
There seems to be more substantive stuff against Raymond than K-N. The connection to Wry and Wry's weird behavior make me think it's him. Sorry if I'm wrong.
1. Wolf Painter - Sends the Host a PM every Night Phase with the name of a Player and a Colour. For that Night Phase, that Player will be seered that Colour.
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
5. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
Item 1 - Seering Item
Item 2 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
Item 3 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
"Then tell us!" SlowPokemon demanded.
"Very well." Jub3r7 responded. "Saint Swooper was actually an evil spirit resolved on using the enchanted power of the Grove to his own advantage. He was more of a devil than a saint."
"Likely story." responded SlowPokemon, who wasn't the most religiously inclined. "And this man?" he asked, pointing to Dude.
"I do not know." Jub3r7 answered.
"You... what?" SlowPokemon said bewildered. "And you let him murder a human being, despite being an absolute stranger?"
"Saint Swooper was not human. And Dude is not a stranger." Jub3r7 answered, somewhat vehemently. He was evidently annoyed.
"You all can't possible believe in all of this, can you?" SlowPokemon said, addressing the rest of the members in the Grove.
"Umm. Well, to be honest..." vermilionvermin stuttered.
"Ugh, don't get me started." SlowPokemon answered vexed. He looked around. "What? You people can't possibly have believed that this place was really enchanted? Really?" he answered, further confused.
"I agree with SlowPokemon." groggy eyed Wrydryn said. I see no reason to believe that anything magical exists; let alone evil spirits."
"Me too!" Raymondbl said. "I don't believe in any stupid spirits. They're so illogical anyway."
"I wouldn't insult Saint Swooper if I were you." Jub3r7 responded, a slight and apprehensive tremble in his voice.
"Why should I fear something that doesn't even exist?" Raymondbl answered. "I respect you and your opinion, Master Jub3r7, but to believe that spirits exist is ridiculous to me!"
Suddenly, Raymondbl was overcome by a cryptic sensation. His countenance became one of anguish and fear.
"Raymondbl? Is anything wrong?" blueflower999 asked innocently, a bit frighted.
"This is not good... Dude, do you know how to exorcise?" Jub3r7 asked quickly.
"You cannot be serious." SlowPokemon said sardonically; though there was a hint of worry in his voice. Whatever was happening to Raymonbl could not be good. He walked over to Raymondbl and tried to comfort him.
Jub3r7 looked at Dude, waiting for a response. Dude shrugged. Spell Cards were his only specialty.
And then, Raymondbl went berserk. He began running his circles and hitting trees until he eventually collapsed.
"Raymondbl!" everyone yelled, running to his unconscious body.
Jub3r7 sighed. His countenance reflected a contrite sentiment. "I shouldn't have been so confident." he mumbled to himself. "Raymondbl was new and wouldn't have been protected by the Grove's enchantment yet... I'm so stupid." Jub3r7 castigated himself.
vermilionvermin, who was inspecting the body, got up and announced his autopsy. "He's still alive and conscious. But I don't think that there are any symptoms of disease, disorder, or... anything really. It's as if he's asleep." he said, pulling up Raymondbl's eyes to show his pupils rapidly moving to and fro. "He's probably dreaming at the moment, which is odd, since this shouldn't occur until about an hour into sleep. I... don't really know what to say."
Everyone turned to Jub3r7.
Day 1 has ended. Raymondbl has been lynched! It is now Night 2. Night 2 will end on February 3rd at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
1. Saint Swooper Dude
2. vermilionvermin
3. blueflower999
4. shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn Bird
6. gzgregory (Phantom x1)
7. SlowPokemon
8. Raymondbl
9. xK-NiGhTx
10. Jub3r7
11. SuperFireKirby (Phantom x1)
12. Kman96 (Phantom x1)
Story will be edited in later.
Hello.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on February 01, 2012, 05:54:39 PMWhen did raymond change his vote from kman, Mashi? I can't find iiit. D:
Oh, my mistake, you're correct. I saw a part bolded in a quote Raymondbl made and accidentally thought that it was his vote.
Oh hi bird.
...shoot I didn't vote. I swear I thought I'd made a safety. D:
ANYWAYS
I've got the seering item. I guess we can have one guard claim like last time and guard me, and the other person guard whoever?
The person who got the seer item should claim. One of the players who received a guardian item should probably claim as well.
We don't want the seer to be unguarded tonight, since he's probably the most important player this night phase. And we don't want both guards to overlap their guardings on the seer, hence only one of them claiming. The other guard will just go for somebody who he thinks could be wolfed.
Thoughts?
edit: well that was a waste. yeah do what gzg said
Erm, delete that post, no death post for lynchings.
Quote from: gzgregory on February 01, 2012, 06:26:08 PMI've got the seering item. I guess we can have one guard claim like last time and guard me, and the other person guard whoever?
I got item 3... So I'll guard you.
The person with item 2 should NOT claim to the thread.
Why? It's explained in a log somewhere a few pages back...
http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136514#msg136514
Sorry but
Niiiiiice sig.
poops, forgot to vote. I've just been completely drained all week by busyness. Anyways, I think lynching rayray was the right move. He kinda dug himself into a hole.
Major calc test tomorrow, worth 70% of my grade. Gotta study today, but I'll be on irc probably at around 9 pm tonight if anyone cares to discuss stuff.
Oh, Night Phase was supposed to end today.
Exemplary Host guys!!!!!!!!!
In the future though, Night Phases (with the exception of Night 1) will always be one day unless I specifically make an exception.
So if I say Night Phase is 2 days again, I'm probably lying!!!!!!!!!
I added a short story for the end of Night 1 guys!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Mashi on February 02, 2012, 06:47:54 PMI added a short story for the end of Night 1 guys!!!!!!!!!
AHLURVEET!
When I'm not supposed to be sleeping, I'll analyze everyone's posts and you people should do the same!
When the day phase comes and we wait till the last day to start voting, we'll be rushed in making a final decision.
We don't need to wait for the day to have a discussion; the more time we have to discuss, the better.
Also mashi I better have a good explanation for looking like a bad guy. :(
Discussion?!?!?!
I have to go to work now, I'll be back (maybe around midnight) but by then the phase will already be over.
Well... we can't really discuss a whole lot besides rehashing the Kman/Ray issue... :/
And obviously discussing a seering is out of the question.
gaiz i think mashi got wolfed
its past the deadline by more than three seconds and no update
1. Wolf Painter - Sends the Host a PM every Night Phase with the name of a Player and a Colour. For that Night Phase, that Player will be seered that Colour.
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
5. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
Item 1 - Seering Item
Item 2 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
Item 3 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
Night 2 has ended. Jub3r7 was wolfed! However, he survived! It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end on February 5th at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
1. Saint Swooper Dude
2. vermilionvermin
3. blueflower999
4. shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn Bird
6. gzgregory (Phantom x1)
7. SlowPokemon
8. Raymondbl
9. xK-NiGhTx
10. Jub3r7
11. SuperFireKirby (Phantom x1)
12. Kman96 (Phantom x1)
Story will be edited in later.
Welp.
I seered Jub. XD
I guess that's pointless now though, since he's now essentially confirmed.
also yeah jub's green.
8)
You're welcome.
Log with bird
Quotemmastersonabcd: yo bird
Brian Ross: hi
mmastersonabcd: did you guard jub????
Brian Ross: yeah
Brian Ross: that's sort of why i said "you're welcome"!
mmastersonabcd: you can never be sure
Brian Ross: lol
mmastersonabcd: k so who are dem wolves
Brian Ross: idk i haven't read the game yet
Brian Ross: i should probably do that
mmastersonabcd: lol
mmastersonabcd: k then
Brian Ross: i'll do it later
Brian Ross: wait
Brian Ross: who do you think the wolves are
mmastersonabcd: uh
mmastersonabcd: well i thought you were one
mmastersonabcd: because of raymond's trusting of wry
mmastersonabcd: And the fact that a late bandwagon was forced on K-N makes me inclined to think that he's not a wolf
Brian Ross: who is k-n
Brian Ross: oh yeah
Brian Ross: okay
mmastersonabcd: so uh
mmastersonabcd: the people who voted k-n are mildly suspicious
Brian Ross: who all voted k-n?
mmastersonabcd: let me check
mmastersonabcd: blueflower, raymond, and jub
mmastersonabcd: well never mind
mmastersonabcd: blueflower was the first to vote, so i'll give him a pass on that
Brian Ross: doesn't make him not a wolf!!
mmastersonabcd: raymond did so out of self-preservation
mmastersonabcd: and jub's pretty much clear
Brian Ross: who was seered n1?
mmastersonabcd: kman
mmastersonabcd: he was green
Brian Ross: oh and he was green, right?
Brian Ross: okay
mmastersonabcd: raymond got lynched for thinking that he was painted
mmastersonabcd: well that's one reason raymond got lynched
Brian Ross: do you think raymond was a wolf?
mmastersonabcd: i don't know anymore
mmastersonabcd: he seemed wolfy
mmastersonabcd: the person who tried to change my mind on him was jub
Brian Ross: jub could be a wolf
mmastersonabcd: not really
Brian Ross: who had the other guard?
mmastersonabcd: night 1 or night 2?
Brian Ross: night 2
Brian Ross: besides me
mmastersonabcd: night 1 was raymon and k-n
mmastersonabcd: night 2 was dude
mmastersonabcd: and you
Brian Ross: what if dude and jubert are wolves
Brian Ross: wolfed themselves, guarded jubert
Brian Ross: and painted him
Brian Ross: !!!!!!
mmastersonabcd: that's a streeeetch
mmastersonabcd: it'd be dum of them to waste a wolfing like that
Brian Ross: ahh!
Brian Ross: I gotta go
Brian Ross is typing...
Brian Ross: I'll make a post after reading the game
mmastersonabcd: ok
mmastersonabcd: i'll post this log
Weird...when I read the update at first, I thought Jub had died, then I saw that he was guarded, so I had to re-read it to make sense of it....
Good thing. I almost totally confused myself... :/
Its a good thing hes still here though :)
^Bird's theory is certainly interesting, but I find it unlikely.
Also, why guard Jub? Any special reason, or just cuz he seemed the least wolfy?
Further moar, I DESIRE THE SEERING RESULT
Gzgregory already said that Jub was seared green. ^^^^
*seered, also, the fact that I was targeted makes me human as well.
And I kinda seriously doubt I was painted.
Dude and I are not wolf partners, either. :p
Quote from: Kman96 on February 03, 2012, 09:16:43 PMGzgregory already said that Jub was seared green. ^^^^
oh didnt see that. oops.
WE CANNOT OVERLOOK THIS PERFECTLY POSSIBLE THEORY
Jub, Gzgregory and Bird are wolves, one, let's say Bird, is the painter. Bird gets the guard item, Greg gets the seer item. Bird paints Jub green and also guards him. Gzgregory seers him and sends a pm to mashi telling him to wolf Jub.
I find this unlikely BUT IT IS PLAUSIBLE
I should probably give my own input on this.
I doubt that Jub and Bird are in cahoots. But IF they were, a Jub-Bird-Kman group would make the most sense with Kman's green seering. Gz could also fit in there somewhere, but I DOUBT IT.
I'd say this was a rather inexperienced wolf who did this. Were I a wolf, I'd stay away from wolfing people like Jub when there are two guard items. The odds of him being guarded are way too high, and he'd already reported a green seering.
The wolfing of Jub pretty much shot down EVERY wolf pairing I considered. Kman-Jub would make sense, but self-wolfing doesn't really make a whole lot of sense in this game. Bird-Raymond doesn't make sense now that Bird stopped the wolfing.
I want to hear more from some people who have been quiet before I make a decision on whom to vote.
Quote16:18 *** gzgregory joined #twg
16:18 gzgregory Hi.
16:19 verm oh hi
16:19 verm who do you think is a wolf?
16:19 gzgregory Er.
16:20 verm Does that mean that you don't suspect anyone or that you suspect me?
16:21 verm I guess it's best to start analyzing the wolfings.
16:22 gzgregory Well... last phase my suspicion was kinda on Jub and Kman as a team
16:22 verm Nobody's /said/ anything suspicious enough
16:22 gzgregory But obviously they're both confirmed now
16:22 verm well not kman
16:22 verm raymond could have been right about kman
16:22 gzgregory True but he's probably human
16:22 gzgregory wait yeah that came out wrong
16:23 verm I'd agree with that
16:24 verm I know this conversation's been pretty short so far, but I'm starting to suspect that you're human.
16:24 verm Your responses don't sound like you're making them up.
16:24 gzgregory ...ok, cool.
16:24 verm And wolfing Jub really doesn't make sense if you realized the potential Jub-Kman connection.
16:25 gzgregory Also I guess we could say Bird is probably human?
16:25 verm I'd say Bird and Jub are 99% human
16:26 verm we'd obviously have to reconsider if someone else claimed to have guarded Jub, but I don't think someone will.
16:26 verm It'd be dumb of the wolves to claim to have guarded Jub.
16:26 gzgregory What about SFK's phantom?
16:26 gzgregory SFK's a fairly strong player, he wouldn't normally have done something like that
16:27 gzgregory of course, I got a phantom as well, but whatever ><
16:27 verm I think the wolfings point to someone who's not paying that much attention to the game.
16:27 gzgregory Yeah it just narrows down candidates
16:27 gzgregory That seems plausible
16:28 gzgregory especially with the guarded wolfing
16:28 verm Raymond made it kind of obvious that he was the other guardian night 1 when he was pretty much the only person who didn't support the /first/ guardian claiming
16:28 gzgregory Yeah, anyone paying attention would have gone for him
16:28 verm And Jub opened himself up to the connection with Kman.
16:29 verm If I were a wolf I'd have stayed away from Jub and Kman until the end so I could point that out.
16:30 gzgregory I guess that points to blueflower, dude, and SFK
16:31 verm It's plausible, but I really really doubt that all three of them are wolves!
16:31 gzgregory Obviously could also be kman due to inexperience, but seering indicates humanity
16:31 verm because of newness, Kman could be a wolf too
16:32 gzgregory oh, and KN
16:32 gzgregory He thought Kman was seered red
16:32 verm Raymond could have been a wolf as well
16:33 verm hold on
16:33 verm that doesn't make sense
16:33 verm why would raymond have gone for shadowkirby when he had the second guarding item?
16:33 verm he could have taken out wry or jub or slow
16:36 gzgregory Well, I thought that that wolfing might have been an attempt to frame kman
16:36 verm How would that frame Kman?
16:37 gzgregory Well, my reasoning was on page 5
16:37 gzgregory but
16:37 gzgregory mostly because Shadowkirby stated publicly that he was pressuring kman irl
16:37 gzgregory Obviously you'd figure Kman would want to get rid of him
16:37 gzgregory but I figured the other wolves would probably stop him from doing that
16:38 verm I never really made that connection. I think Kman might have stayed away from wolfing Shadowkirby if they're friends.
16:38 verm It /could/ have been an attempt to direct attention away form Kman.
16:39 gzgregory That's possible.
16:40 gzgregory If he WAS a wolf, he would probably have been painted too, so yeah
16:40 verm right.
16:40 verm That'd mean that Jub was human.
16:40 gzgregory Well, Jub is almost certainly human anyway
16:41 verm Really the only plausible scenario where Jub's a wolf is one in which you and Bird are the other wolves.
16:41 verm And I don't buy that.
16:41 gzgregory Me neither.
16:41 verm
16:44 gzgregory well
16:44 verm Blueflower would be a good wolf partner for Raymond if he was a wolf.
16:44 gzgregory Mhm, true.
16:44 verm If I recall, Blueflower was the first person to begin the late K-N bandwagon.
16:44 gzgregory Yes he was.
16:45 gzgregory It was never really a thing though.
16:45 gzgregory So nobody else saw too much suspicious about K-N at the time
16:45 verm It nearly got K-N lynched
16:45 gzgregory What
16:45 verm I think my vote towards the end was the one that made it not a KiTB
16:46 gzgregory I had the impression that the entire phase Raymond was the one on the chopping block
16:47 gzgregory Yeah, KN had 2 votes at most
16:47 gzgregory then Jub changed his vote because he didn't notice something
16:47 gzgregory so yeah blueflower was pretty much on his own on this
16:47 verm I thought kn had three
16:47 verm maybe i'm wrong
16:47 gzgregory wait yeah he did
16:47 gzgregory apparently I'm blind
16:48 gzgregory well, the third one was Ray
16:48 gzgregory Sooooo... yeah.
16:48 verm raymond only had two on him until i voted for him
16:48 verm oh
16:48 verm mashi made a mistake on the vote count
16:48 verm it was 2-2
16:48 gzgregory oright
16:48 verm then jub voted
16:49 verm *then jub changed his vote
16:49 verm then i voted for raymond
16:49 gzgregory well
16:49 gzgregory I don't know if the fact that Blueflower's vote was an outlier makes him a good partner for Ray
16:50 gzgregory honestly there's not a whole lot to analyze in a game where inactives are suspicious
16:50 verm right
16:57 verm Alright, I'm going to post this log.
16:57 verm I just finished my suspicion list, and I incorporated a lot of this chat in it.
I have a theory which I describe in the chat with gz which is that the wolves aren't paying a whole lot of attention. It was fairly obvious that Raymond had the guarding item when he was like the only person who was consistently against the guardians claiming. If the wolves were staying away from the guardians, Raymond would have been a much better wolfing.
Jub's wolfing speaks to the fact that the wolves weren't aware of a potential Jub-Kman wolf duo in which Jub lied about Kman's color to keep him alive. Either way, it's pretty safe to say that IF Jub's a wolf, Kman is too. If Jub were a wolf, he could very easily have lied about someone's color to get them lynched.
S-S-S-Suspicion List!
3.
blueflower999 - Inactive
1.
Saint Swooper Dude - Inactive
11. SuperFireKirby - Most active of these three, but less active than average.
12. Kman96 - Raymond could be right about him being painted green. He also might not have made the connections that I talked about earlier. My experience from Sauce is Pretty Coll tells me that wolves often paint themselves green as opposed to painting others red, especially early in the game.
9. xK-NiGhTx - He could fit in with the above group, but generally when people begin to bandwagon on someone late in the phase, that person isn't a wolf, especially when he's voted for fitting a generic inactive stereotype.
7. SlowPokemon - Seems to be paying attention to the thread and probably noticed the connections that I discussed in the chat with Greg.
6. gzgregory - He's acting really human-ish in this conversation I'm having that I'll post when I finish. We should keep an eye on a potential gz-Bird-Jub group in the future, but it's a streeeeeetch.
5.
Wrydryn Bird - It'd be dumb of him to block his own wolfing. He also seemed like a
lazy human when I chatted with him earlier.
10. Jub3r7 - It would be dumb of him to wolf himself. There's a potential for Jub and Bird to be wolves together, but I REALLY REALLY doubt it. If Jub were a wolf, he could easily have said that Kman was red and nobody could stop the lynch train. We should keep a watch out for Jub-Bird-gz as wolves, but I doubt it.
2. vermilionvermin - 8)
The breaks set apart levels of suspicion.
For reasons above, Dude, although this is a semi-safety.
I'd prefer not to end the phase with two votes.
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:
That's why I wanted to start discussion early, so we're not rushed for voting????
Your response was that there wasn't much to discuss; we sort of have 11 pages to look through.
Look at each post and the possible motivations behind that post for that person; note inactive players.
Summarize the motivations of their posts as a whole and from there choose somebody to vote.
After you've looked at everyone, people can look at the post you made analyzing their behavior, and it if it actually makes sense, it might actually help to prove your humanity.
brb so not hypocritical by doing it myself.
Oh yeah, and it doesn't hurt to analyze dead people; lynched players might be human, leading players in their vote might be wolves.
Wolfed people may have said something to get themselves wolfed or were in a position that would frame somebody else if they were to be wolfed.
Safety on vermilionvermin
Too tired to defend myself atm, so g'night.
SO GUYS I'VE BEEN TYPING UP AN ANALYZATION POST FOR THE PAST HOUR AND A HALF AND IT'S NO WHERE NEAR DONE.
I JUST GOT TO THE THIRD PAGE.
You'll probably see the post tomorrow of everything from the first night phase. D:
How long are you extending the phase, Mashi?
Well, I never actually was going to, but I suppose it would be all right if I extended it until tomorrow until 9PM EST; it wouldn't be the first time this game had a Phase 24 hours longer than it should have been!
But yes, everyone; this game was off to a good start, so keep it that way!
Mashi get a real avatar again :(
Safety on Jub until i can analyze what's going on. Plus if we can't get anything done we can just have each person have one vote. Nothing happens if it's a tie right?
People that have been voted for so far:
blueflower999
Dude
vermillionvermin
Jub3r7
People that haven't been voted for yet...
SuperFireKirby
Bird
Kman96
gzgregory
SlowPokemon
(hope i didn't forget anyone!)
If anybody finds a problem with this strategy, remember it's only a last resort if we can't get anything done before the end of this phase.
If there's a tie, a random Player will be killed among the Players that tied. This is a term referred to as a KitB (Knife in the Box).
Also, I changed my avatar, Cirno.
So that means...if I'm human, Jub is human too! :D
Welcome to the party Jub. My vote is for SlowPokemon
Quote from: Kman96 on February 05, 2012, 08:58:35 AMSo that means...if I'm human, Jub is human too! :D
Welcome to the party Jub. My vote is for SlowPokemon
Why didn't you give a reason? You should try to give a reason when voting, even if your reason is just a safety. ???
Well, again, sorry for being inactive, everybody.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on February 04, 2012, 04:59:15 PM3. blueflower999 - Inactive
Just because I'm inactive doesn't make me any higher candidate for being a wolf than if I was active. I think the main reason I haven't been to active is because in the last game I was a wolf/seer and had a lot of things to do but this game with just being a human I don't have enough stuff to contemplate. Still some, but not as much as before. So I don't think being inactive is a real good reason to suspect me.
Verm
Quote from: blueflower999 on February 05, 2012, 09:27:49 AMJust because I'm inactive doesn't make me any higher candidate for being a wolf than if I was active. I think the main reason I haven't been to active is because in the last game I was a wolf/seer and had a lot of things to do but this game with just being a human I don't have enough stuff to contemplate. Still some, but not as much as before. So I don't think being inactive is a real good reason to suspect me.
I beg to differ.
Read through verm's post again. The wolfings definitely look like they were made by someone not paying close attention to the game, especially the attempt on Jub. It seems like you didn't read the post completely and are just retaliating.
Still, my vote stays on Dude due to his safety.
Expanding on what gz said, the reason I'm suggesting that inactive players are wolves is that the wolfings don't make a whole lot of sense. Someone who was paying attention to the game wouldn't have wolfed Shadowkirby or Jub.
Shadowkirby's killing seems like it was done to avoid killing someone like Wry, SFK, or Slow, who might be guarded. But Raymond being the only person who was against the first guardian claiming made it pretty obvious that Raymond had the second guarding item.
Jub's wolfing was also an odd choice because of how easily one could have argued that he and Kman were wolves. A lot of people suspected Kman until Jub's seering. He likely would have been lynched yesterday instead of Raymond were it not for Jub's seering. Wolfing Jub pretty much eliminates that possibility.
I'm now more sure that Dude and Blueflower are wolves together. Blueflower just bandwagoned Dude's safety. If the phase ended right now, I would be lynched.
I also think the fact that I recognized these connections points to the fact that I'm human.
Why the hell did kman vote for me?
Quote from: SlowPokemon on February 05, 2012, 11:50:58 AMWhy the hell did kman vote for me?
That's what I want to know. ???
Quote from: SlowPokemon on February 05, 2012, 11:50:58 AMWhy the hell did kman vote for me?
Prolly a safety. I don't think he understands how the whole voting thing works, but I could be wrong.
If I'm going to be lynched, I'd like it to be more than on just a bandwagon and a safety.
I'm in the chat right now and will answer any questions about my suspicions.
On second thought, Dude is always under the radar, whether human or wolf.
Blueflower.
I have to admit, Verm is sounding accusatory, but human. No vote
Blueflower's not acting out of self-preservation right now, but instead acting in the best interest of the humans.
I'm shifting my vote to Dude then.
While lynching an inactive is not always a bad move, it is usually saved for larger games where you've got some humans to spare. In a game with this few of humans, it's probably best to vote for someone based on somewhat more evidence than inactivity.
Also, I'm not sure that the wolfings were made to look like the wolf isnt paying attention to the game, but more so just the mistakes of a less experienced wolf/twg player. But the chances are, you'd have this newer player paired with someone with more experience, seeing as most of the players have been in quite a few games. They might not have necessarily been inactive for the first night/day, but they could have been absent for all of night 2, allowing the wolfing of jub to be sent in and victoriously DENIED.
Now, I think rayray was probably a wolf, which leaves us with 2 wolves. One inactive, 1 inexperienced.
Jub and Kman - Prolly humans
Gz, Verm, and Slow - Maybe humans
Mr. Bird and Winter - Not sure
Dude and xK -Maybe wolves
Blueflower - Prolly wolf
Mashi - WOLF
SFK - Sexy.
Okay so I sort of read the thread. I skipped the chat logs since there's not really any reason for me to read a conversation like that. If you want to bold certain bits, or make an analysis of the conversations though, go ahead. But just posting the conversation? What's the point of that?
Pet peeve of mine.
Anyway, the only people who stuck out to me as suspicious are Dude and Kman9329. I also thought that raymondbl was acting pretty human, and I'm not really sure how he got lynched.
"But Bird, don't you remember? Kman932942 was seered green!"
Yeah, well that doesn't really matter. He was definitely the most suspicious player on Night 1, so if he was a wolf, he definitely would have been painted.
And Dude, has just been unhelpful and voting people without good reasons. The way I understand it, that's sort of his shtick, but it doesn't make him seem more human. He also replaced Swooper, who was against the seer coming out on n1, which seems pretty dumb.
I'm in the chat now if anybody wants to ask me anything.
I made a post that said I had somebody in mind to seer that wasn't kman.
I know. I saw that and didn't buy it.
I have to go with bird because that's how I've felt the whole time, but I'm voting Kman rather than Dude, he still hasn't given me a reason for voting me. Considering Dude's defense that "he doesn't understand voting" he's not much use to us anyway if he is a human.
Quote from: Bird on February 05, 2012, 03:01:47 PM"But Bird, don't you remember? Kman932942 was seered green!"
Yeah, well that doesn't really matter. He was definitely the most suspicious player on Night 1, so if he was a wolf, he definitely would have been painted.
He could easily have made a rookie mistake. I would know, it's hard to first start off in TWG without any experience. I think you should forget Kman's mistakes, or ask him to explain them so that you don't end up lynching an innocent human just because they made an inexperienced decision.
Bird
Because I believe we still have one more day, I'll post something that vaguely resembles a suspicion list.
Not really suspicious: Me, gzgregory, SlowPokemon, Bird, Kman.
Somewhere in the middle (not really sure about): blueflower and Dude.
Which leaves: vermillionvermin, xK-NiGhTx, and SuperFireKirby.
If you disagree with one of my non-suspicions, tell me one thing you think is wolfy about them and I'll try to counter act that point.
Also blueflower, bird is sorta probably not a wolf?
Jub I think you're human because of the fact that I was guarded by you and also wolfed during the same phase.
20:56 Jub If you were a wolf, there was either really horrible communication or this was a facade to make you seem human.
20:56 Jub However, if it were the latter, you probably would have mentioned it.
20:57 Jub I think I'm the first one to mention this.
20:59 Bird what
20:59 Bird oh
20:59 Bird yeah i didn't even think of that
Quote from: blueflower999 on February 05, 2012, 06:04:35 PMHe could easily have made a rookie mistake. I would know, it's hard to first start off in TWG without any experience. I think you should forget Kman's mistakes, or ask him to explain them so that you don't end up lynching an innocent human just because they made an inexperienced decision. Bird
Whoa, whoa whoa whoa.
Did anybody else just see that?
I mention that Kman is suspicious and
don't vote for him. Immediately after me, SlowPokemon
votes for kman. Then blueflower999 votes for me? That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't blueflower999 vote for the person who wants kman lynched?
You've got some explaining to do Mr. Flower.
Question: Why aren't SFK and Dude on equal levels of suspicion?
Because Dude is always like this. I'm still not really sure about him tho.
I...what? Blueflower, that was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
SlowPokemon, I'm sorry about that earlier...as its been said SOO Many times...I am inexperienced and still are not sure what I'm doing...I guess I voted for you becasue you were one of the main persuers when I was being suspected the first night...ummm....I'm gonna go with Dude instead.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on February 05, 2012, 06:42:04 PMI...what? Blueflower, that was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
Crazy? :I
What he did was a bit silly but I wouldn't call it a reason to vote for him.
I doubt wolves would go around voting for confirmed humans.
Switching to KN, his inactivity still compromises him because theory above, with SFK's addon.
Quote[19:23:01] gzgregory Anyways switched to KN
[19:25:07] Bird why?
[19:25:33] gzgregory because he's inactive
[19:25:39] gzgregory and at least one wolf is probably inactive
[19:25:44] gzgregory dude is always inactive
[19:26:02] gzgregory blueflower voted for a confirmed human, which i doubt a wolf would do if they were paying ANY attention at all
[19:26:07] gzgregory *almost-confirmed
[19:26:17] gzgregory and KN hasn't posted anything of value since page 6
[19:26:26] gzgregory mostly "STORY'S AWESOME"
Bit more fleshing out of my vote above.
He didn't state aloud his opinion on guardians claiming until he claimed himself. :P
Tally:
3 Votes - Dude - (Bird, vermilionvermin, Kman96)
1 Vote - xKnightx - (gzgregory)
1 Vote - Bird - (blueflower999)
1 Vote - Jub3r7 - (xKnightX)
1 Vote - vermilionvermin (Dude)
1 Vote - blueflower999 - (SlowPokemon)
SuperFireKirby has not voted yet.
List of all votes made this phase in order:
verm: blueflower
gzg: dude
dude: safety on verm
xK: safety on jub
Kman: slowpokemon
blueflower: verm
gzg: blueflower
blueflower: no vote
verm: dude
Bird: dude
slowpokemon: kman
blueflower: bird
slowpokemon: blueflower
Kman96: Dude
gzg: KN
Current votes:
gzgregory: KN
Kman96: Dude
SlowPokemon: Blueflower
Blueflower999: Bird
Bird: Dude
Vermilionvermin: Dude
xK: Jub3r7
Dude: vermilionvermin
SuperFireKirby: no vote
So right now, Dude is poised to take the axe. I think at this point I would prefer to see blueflower999 go over him (since he still hasn't explained his reasoning for voting me but not SlowPokemon), but I don't want to set a 2 v. 2 KITB up, since that basically allows the wolves to choose who gets lynched. So I guess the people who have been making safeties just need to make up their minds about who they want lynched.
I'm cool with this.
*Goes back to playing Touhoumon.*
Quote from: Bird on February 05, 2012, 06:11:10 PMWhoa, whoa whoa whoa.
Did anybody else just see that?
I mention that Kman is suspicious and don't vote for him. Immediately after me, SlowPokemon votes for kman. Then blueflower999 votes for me? That doesn't make any sense. Why wouldn't blueflower999 vote for the person who wants kman lynched?
You've got some explaining to do Mr. Flower.
OK, I finally got a chance to be on. So, the reason I found that a little suspicious, Bird, was that people who give good reasons for voting people are fine by me. Even if it's against myself. I can respect that. However, in my opinion, you gave a vote against Kman for something that could have easily been a beginner's mistake. However, Slow's reason isn't entirely justified, but it makes a bit more sense to me than your's does. Slow probably would have been my next prime suspect, but I seem to find reason with his vote more than I find reason with your's.
And also, I'm in the chat, in case anyone wants to interrogate me.
Jamaha, this is why we need spoilers. :(
Anyways, first night phase:
1. Saint Swooper/Dude
Swooper posts that everyone else is jelly of him being the main character and that he agrees that the seer should
not claim.
Second post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136354#msg136354) responds to me that he doesn't see why other item holders should claim.
Third post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136391#msg136391) comments on ray's mistaken suspicion list on how there is a mistake within his mistake... misteption (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136350#msg136350)??
Fourth post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136508#msg136508) complains about not being able to get on the chat.
2. vermilionvermin
First post votes no to seer claiming due to "high probability that something goes wrong (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136346#msg136346)" because 1/4 chance of wolf being the seer and 1/4 chance of the seering result being wrong.
Second post, changes his mind and agrees that the seer should claim because 1. Gives us something to go off of, 2. organizes those with the guarding items (but guardians shouldn't be told who's going to be seered because they could be a wolf,) and 3. Makes sure the seer isn't killed n1 (and also keeping in mind that the guarding's should be kept down low "because letting the wolves know who we're guarding would be really really bad.".
Third post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136358#msg136358) states that he doesn't see the harm in having both guardians claim publicly, [but it turns out there was a good reason for only one of them to claim.] It's okay though because he wasn't the only one who made that mistake. :P
Fourth post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136417#msg136417) basically says that as long as the second guard claims, x-K will guard whoever he wants and the other guardian should guard me.
Fifth post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136509#msg136509) tells swooper how to get to irc.
3. blueflower999
First post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136389#msg136389) states 1. that he doesn't have an item, 2. looks like it's going to be a great game, 3. wouldn't hurt if person with item 1 claimed. (this was posted after I already claimed item one??? D:)
4. shadowkirby
First post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136366#msg136366) pretty much tells us that he knows K-Man in real life.
Second post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136468#msg136468) tells people to gogogo to irc.
Third post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136490#msg136490), two posts later, says the same thing.
Fourth post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136564#msg136564) states that he plans on interrogating kman between classes.
Fifth post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136596#msg136596) says kman is lying when I don't really see what's contradictory about it. :(
5. Wrydryn/Bird
First post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136506#msg136506) is on page three?? and comments on the story.
Second post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136507#msg136507) commands people to post the logs and also posted a log mostly between shadowkirby, raymondbdl, and kman.
(9:21:37 PM) Kman96: I am gonna hide my identity until the end, or if Im lynched or wolfed
That sounds kinda strange but I don't think you'd expect to be wolfed if you were a wolf.
6. gzgregory
First post suggests for the seer to claim and be secretly guarded to reveal the result next phase, but not to trust results 100% because 1. seer might be a wolf, 2. painters and millers.
Second post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136402#msg136402) thinks that guardians should claim publicly but he's actually the one who points out the reasoning in a chat log why we can't have BOTH of them claim.
Third post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136504#msg136504) explains gogogo to kman and links to the chat, saying that there isn't much to discuss at that point.
Fourth post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136532#msg136532) explains why raymond's pairings of suspicions can be explained by external factors.
Here (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136599#msg136599), gzgregory presses the witness for more information. (HOLD IT!)
Gzg (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136601#msg136601) explains why people became more suspicious of the witness after his earlier defense.
7. SlowPokemon
First post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136388#msg136388) tries to summarize events but words something I said wrong. :(
What I said:
QuoteAlso, I don't see any harm in having item carriers 2 or 3 claim to me via pm; even if I were a wolf, wolfing one of them isn't going to stop the item from being passed around the next phase.
What he said I said:
QuoteE) Jub claims to have item no. 1 and says he would like the other item holders to claim to him. He further explains that "even if he wanted to wolf them, the items are just going to be passed around again next phase."
After summarizing that he states his opinion on guardian claims - "From what I could tell, everything seems to be heating up quickly via the items, somewhat of a gimmick to attract activity. I think the other two holders should claim, if not to the thread then at least to Jub."
Second Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136400#msg136400) comments on ray's mistaken suspicion of people who thought it was okay for guardians to claim.
Next post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136562#msg136562) makes me slightly suspicious of slow because of his confidence that kman is a wolf (Because of what raymond quoted?) He states that kman's reaction was just dot dot dot. However, iirc, slow plays like this normally??
8. Raymondbl
Sometimes I say there's not reason to analyze dead ppl cuz they're dead, but that's just because I'm being lazy. D:
First post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136391#msg136391) comments that he would rather specialize in piano performance than in wood carving.
And then suggests that I could be overthrown as master???? he's totes a wuff because of that.
...Then states that wry CAN'T be a wolf because of his role in the story, when (hopefully) everyone knows that story roles have nothing to do with actual roles.
Then he also asks Mashi... if items are passed to different people after the night phase is over, and if so, he sees no harm in claiming.
Then he makes a suspicion list that includes everybody he thinks were okay with guardians claiming (even tho swooper was actually against it at first.)
Also comments on blueflower's post saying that what he says is logically explained.
This post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136528#msg136528) names pairs of people he suspects, asks about popo in a chat log and asks what touche means.
This post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136532#msg136532) considers gzgregory being right and quotes that makes him suspect kman; however, everything kman says that is "suspicious" can be explained by inexperience. :P
The post after that (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136573#msg136573) states that he agrees with slow about kman definitely being a wolf?, laughs at the prospect of shadowkirby interrogating kman, mentions SFK because he's playing really low key like last game when he was a wolf, but considers the fact that it might be because nothing much has happened.
He also suggests that kman should be seered. >.>
The one after that (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136595#msg136595) doesn't like kman's defense.
9. xK-NiGhTx
First post
says something about plants??? makes a pun (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136350#msg136350) involving the words plan and inception.
Second post quotes Mashi's WHOLE post just to comment on ONE paragraph, saying that he "understand[s his] paragraph now...hehehe...Mashi u so hilarious"
Third post - "Oh i forgot. I have item #2 (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136405#msg136405)"
10. Jub3r7
First Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136352#msg136352)
Second Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136356#msg136356)
Two point Fifth Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136361#msg136361) because it was just a comment on the story.
Third Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136397#msg136397)
Three point Third Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136511#msg136511)
Three point Sixth Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136512#msg136512)
Fourth post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136513#msg136513)
Fifth post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136514#msg136514) - Important part of this log is this:
23:28 gzgregory In that case, second person claiming is less useful.
23:28 jub But I suppose it wouldn't really hurt anything?
23:28 gzgregory Nope.
23:29 gzgregory Oh maybe it would, actually
23:29 jub ?
23:29 gzgregory Then the wolves can target that person
23:29 gzgregory wait can you guard yourself
23:29 jub nope
23:29 gzgregory yeah then
23:29 jub Anyways, why would the wolves kill him?
23:29 gzgregory Because it's a certain kill.
23:30 gzgregory Otherwise they might hit the second person's guard
23:30 jub GASP, logic
23:30 Verm So then it would be good to have the second guy quiet
23:30 gzgregory Mhm
23:30 StSwooper now i am back to being against it despite my dumb logic
23:30 jub Okay ty gzgregory
this is the post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136574#msg136574) that apparently NO ONE believed?
*add on to last post. (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136575#msg136575)
11. SuperFireKirby
First post comments on the incredible speed of the sign-up thread.
Second post, two pages later (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136556#msg136556), SFK claims wolf (referring to his wolf avatar, of course!)
12. Kman96
First post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136362#msg136362) comments on his inexperience.
Second post responds to Slow's summary point L (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136388#msg136388) and says that shadowkirby is making it weird.
Next post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136594#msg136594) defends himself.
Wait (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136598#msg136598), what WILL happen? The wolves winning? D: I don't think so. I hope you're referring to the loss of a human player.
Here (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136600#msg136600), kman is pressed for more information. O: (OBJECTION!)
0. Mashi
First post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136341#msg136341) starts the game.
Second Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136360#msg136360) is worth vermillion dollars and sorta promises more story in a slightly vague way. (If he doesn't write the stories, he's probs a wuff! D:)
Third post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136363#msg136363) comments on my comment (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136361#msg136361) of the story and also links kman to The Werewolf Game Official Rules.
Fourth Post confirms my answer to ray's question and complies to his story request. (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136404#msg136404)
Fifth Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136414#msg136414) commends ray for use of vermillion dollars.
Sixth Post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136606#msg136606) updates the phase and announces shadowkirby's death as well as Swooper's replacement.
Pretty much all of the suspicion on kman can be explained by his inexperience.
Swooper was acting perfectly normal, and Dude is acting like a normal human as well at the moment.
He doesn't try to defend himself because he doesn't want to get overly stressed about twg; I sorta remember him saying that in a chat a while back.
I also disagree with lynching blueflower; his vote seemed odd at first but his explanation made plenty of sense.
Also, blueflower, bird is sort of a confirmed human so yeah don't vote for him.
Pretty much, a lot of people here have something for them, excluding SFK, x-N, and vermillionvermin.
I know I only went through the first night phase but I've been keeping up with the current night phase as well.
Voting
k-N, because I'm hoping for a not-dude lynch.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on February 06, 2012, 03:47:20 PMI also disagree with lynching blueflower; his vote seemed odd at first but his explanation made plenty of sense.
Also, blueflower, bird is sort of a confirmed human so yeah don't vote for him.
Whoa, that was hard to quote the whole thing. XD
OK, guys. For reasons explained above, changing vote to
Slow
I think something which ought to be addressed is the wolves' seemingly radical change in targets. Jub's wolfing seemed more like it was blatantly going for an experienced player while Shadowkirby's seemed to be picking a player out from the masses in an attempt to avoid guarding.
I've tried to come up with an explanation for Shadowkirby's wolfing, but I can't. Does anyone have any thoughts?
@blueflower Whoa what? Why me? :/ just because I have my vote on you? It's pretty much a safety at this point because after reading Jub's post I have to agree with most of it. You shouldn't vote someone just because he's voting you. And you said "for reasons explained above" when I don't see any of your reasons.
If the wolfs wolfed Shadowkirby in order to frame Kman, it wouldn't make sense because he was Seer'd green and the wolfs would have probably painted him read. Whether we had a human giving us truthful information or a wolf, they would both tell us he was green. UNLESS, of course, the wolf painter was being too inactive to paint in time. This leads me to to suspect Dude and K-N, because they're usually on the forum, and there's no reason why they shouldn't be posting in TWG as well. While Slow is being a little suspicious to me, I'm going to have to vote K-N just because of what I just said and so people won't be all like "Oh Blue he's only voting Slow because Slow voted him"
The log's below, but what I think the general consensus of the chat was is that killing Shadowkirby was an attempt to frame Kman. The biggest problem with this theory is that Kman was green. Why would the wolves go to all the trouble of framing someone without painting them? Simple. That wasn't the plan.
The wolves probably
wanted to paint Shadowkirby but couldn't. Why? It comes back to inactivity.
I don't know what affect this has on the lynching, but I thought I should throw this out there as a theory.
Quote15:58 *** Verm joined #twg
Night 1 has ended. shadowkirby has been wolfed! It is now Day 1. Day 1 will end on February 1st at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
Topic set by Master_Gamer38 on Mon Jan 30 2012 18:58:44 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
16:02 Blueflower999 Hey Verm
16:03 Verm hi
16:04 Verm Why do you think the wolves wolfed Shadowkirby? It's been bothering me.
16:04 Verm I feel like I'm missing something.
16:05 Blueflower999 I know...
16:05 Blueflower999 It
16:05 Blueflower999 's kinda weird
16:05 Blueflower999 And I keep hitting enter instead of aprostraphe...
16:06 Verm It strikes me as ood that they'd go from wolfing shadowkirby to wolfing Jub.
16:06 Verm *odd
16:07 Verm Shadowkirby's wolfing makes sense if the wolves are straying from killing people who might be guarded.
16:07 Verm But Jub was the person I'd expect most to be guarded here.
16:08 Blueflower999 Someone could have easily wolfed Shadow to try and frame Kman
16:08 Blueflower999 Or it could be Kman himself with inexperience
16:08 Blueflower999 Either one
16:08 Verm Then why was Kman seered green if he was framed?
16:09 Verm Wouldn't the wolves have painted him red if they wanted to frame him?
16:09 Blueflower999 That's a good point
16:10 Verm I think Raymond mentioned some theory on why the wolves wolfed shadowkirby earlier
16:12 Verm "I think the wolves were trying to frame me by wolfing Shadow. In irc, I said "see you dead tomorrow." directed to Shadowkirby. Just a thought."
16:13 Verm that was raymond's theory
16:19 Blueflower999 Was that log posted in the thread?
16:20 Verm the log in which he predicts shadowkirby's death or that post?
16:20 Verm I think I remember that log with shadowkirby's death predicted
16:20 Verm yes wry posted it i think
16:20 Verm http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4134.msg136507#msg136507
16:21 Blueflower999 Well then that doesn't really help us that much if everybody can see it
16:21 Verm i found it
16:21 Verm (9:06:06 PM) Raymondbl: bye peeps (9:06:17 PM) Raymondbl: see you dead tomorrow (9:06:19 PM) Raymondbl left the room (quit: Q:- NSM Chatroom).
16:21 Verm wait
16:21 Verm he doesn't even address shadowkirby
16:21 Verm he says that to the group
16:22 Verm which includes more than just shadowkirby
16:25 Blueflower999 Was he predicting his own death?
16:26 Verm He could have been.
16:26 Verm Either way, I don't think it's why the wolves wolfed shadowkirby.
16:28 Blueflower999 I suspect framimg of Kman
16:29 Verm But his color doesn't agree with that!
16:29 Verm Maybe there's someone else they tried to frame.
16:32 Blueflower999 Maybe they weren't smart enough to paint him
16:33 Verm Or they were too inactive.
16:33 Verm That would support Dude being the wolf painter.
16:33 Verm With the switching from Swooper to dude, he might not have had time to paint.
gzgregory: KN
Kman96: Dude
SlowPokemon: Blueflower
Blueflower999: KN
Bird: Dude
Vermilionvermin: Dude
xK: Jub3r7
Dude: vermilionvermin
SuperFireKirby: no vote
Jub3r7: KN
Dude has 3 votes: (KMan, Bird, Verm)
KN has 3 votes: (Jub3r7, Blueflower and gzg)
so... uh... kn means xknightx right? And why are people voting for him besides 'i don't wanna kill dude'?
BlueFlower, you be flipflopping like a mad man. I sounds to me like you're taking your vote off Slow simply to avoid suspicion. WHERE'S YOUR BALLS MAN? Defend that vote! Show Slow why he's the wolf. Give some justification and a stern facial expression!
But yeah, after Slow became suspicious of you, you suddenly decide to change your vote to match that of our only confirmed(or at least 95% confirmed) human, Jubbyjubjub. Siding with Jub, you hope to make yourself seem more human while saying something about kman being painted red and then voting for xK- Knight.
You seem to be getting more wolfy by the hour.
Blue
As I said earlier, I would much prefer a blueflower999 lynch to a Dude one, and now that that's an option... blueflower999. Also, I kind of like to think that a wolf wouldn't just give up on the game the way Dude did. Maybe that's too idealistic of me!
Dude gives up on every game. And I mean every game.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on February 06, 2012, 04:55:55 PMDude gives up on every game. And I mean every game.
It's my thing. :3
I'll probably go to
No vote till I can think things through.
It seems I'm deciding between k-n and blueflower at the moment.
It's close between the two of them. K-N has been largely inactive, and Blueflower's been behaving strangely. Both are suspicious.
But in the end, I think I'm going to vote suspicious behavior over no behavior at all.
Blueflower.
The phase ends in an hour or so. I'll be in the chat, but I'll be multitasking so ping me if you want to talk to me.
Aaaaah phase is ending and super tired, so safety on SFK cuz totes a wolf.
Hey SFK, Blueflower actually voted for a pretty much confirmed human before. I think he's just a confused human, and at least he's provided some measure of reasoning for his votes.
Sticking with KN. At least one of the wolves is almost certainly inactive.
1. Wolf Painter - Sends the Host a PM every Night Phase with the name of a Player and a Colour. For that Night Phase, that Player will be seered that Colour.
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
5. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
Item 1 - Seering Item
Item 2 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
Item 3 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
Day 2 has ended. blueflower999 was lynched! It is now Night 3. Night 3 will end on February 7th at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
1. Saint Swooper Dude
2. vermilionvermin
3. blueflower999
4. shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn Bird
6. gzgregory (Phantom x1)
7. SlowPokemon
8. Raymondbl
9. xK-NiGhTx
10. Jub3r7
11. SuperFireKirby (Phantom x1)
12. Kman96 (Phantom x1)
Story will be edited in later.
Okay, tonight I think nobody with an item should claim.
Instead, Item 2 should guard Jub, and Item 3 should guard Bird.
In the late game having two essentially confirmed humans alive is a huge asset.
Both guardians should claim to me and Bird (but not publicly) so if we don't get guarded we know who is responsible; if one of us dies, the other will reveal the guardian that was supposed to be protecting us to the thread.
I guess it wouldn't hurt to have the seer on board either?
Also guys. I believe there are still three wolves left!
Let's take a look at the people who voted blueflower:
vermillionvermin
SFK
Bird
SlowPokemon
Did I miss anybody? :/
Anyways, Bird is a confirmed human. Slow was exacting the exact same way last game.
That sort of leaves SFK and verm, just like in my earlier examination of every player.
k-N, my other top suspect, placed a safety on somebody?
Someone should go to irc.
As long as you don't reveal them to each other. :P
Of course not.
Soooo guardians can you please claim to me? D:
This is getting exciting, guys!!! I'm actually really enjoying this game, now that I think about it...
I don't have any items.
Sorry for my inactivity, haven't had my iPod to check constantly and haven't had time to get on a computer...so if i'm inactive that's prolly why.
I have nary an item.
so guys the only item claim i got was from a person who wasn't even playing? D:
Meaning that I'm probably going to die tonight. :(
Anyways, if I do die, please consider my top three suspects! And by consider I mean destroy. :P
1. Wolf Painter - Sends the Host a PM every Night Phase with the name of a Player and a Colour. For that Night Phase, that Player will be seered that Colour.
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
5. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
Item 1 - Seering Item
Item 2 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
Item 3 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
Night 3 has ended. Jub3r7 has been wolfed! It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end on February 9th at 9PM EST/8PM CST/7PM MST/6PM PST/5PM AST.
1. Saint Swooper Dude
2. vermilionvermin
3. blueflower999
4. shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn Bird
6. gzgregory (Phantom x1)
7. SlowPokemon
8. Raymondbl
9. xK-NiGhTx
10. Jub3r7
11. SuperFireKirby (Phantom x1)
12. Kman96 (Phantom x1)
Story will be edited in later.
that was awful, how come nobody claimed to me
I told you who to vote for. now gogogo
WTF, WHY DIDN'T ANYONE GUARD JUB
*headdesk*
I got nuthin'.
Clearly at least one (probably more) guard item holder was a wolf. Obviously they wouldn't want to claim to you and be framed.
I think I'm going to go with SFK, actually. KN does appear to be having internet issues, since he didn't come online for two days.
I think what we can conclude from this is that the wolves LIKELY had at least one guarding item. Somehow, they felt confident enough that Jub wasn't going to be guarded that they wolfed him.
Or this was an elaborate ruse by Bird and Jub to get the wolves to waste a wolfing and one of the guards is a wolf.
It can't have been a ruse, because otherwise Bird would be exposing somebody right about now.
I expect that the wolves would expect Jub to be guarded since he's "more" confirmed, and would have targeted Bird. Therefore the most likely scenario to me is that the guarding items were given to wolves.
...meaning there's at least two wolves left. Possibly three.
This ain't good.
IRC?
Guys, that's the second night phase In a row that jub has been wolfed...somebody was after him...and I think we should listen to him...my only objection to that would be if that was totally planned to make someone think this... O.o
what I mean is that maybe the wolves could have planned to wolf/guard Jub, and then do it again after Jub gave us either crucial key information, or a trap...idk. I don't want to make the wrong decision and lose another good player...
This game is incredibly hardcore brainwork.
Either Bird is a wolf, or the item holders were wolves. probably definitely the latter.
Going Verm on this one... I just don't know what to think and don't want a SFK insta. He's been being very unhelpful lately though -__-
Gzgregory, going off of what your saying-
There's either...
3 wolves and 5 humans,
2 wolves and 6 humans,
Or 1 wolf and 7 humans...I guess I included the millers, because they too, are human, no?
Quote from: gzgregory on February 07, 2012, 06:22:12 PMIt can't have been a ruse, because otherwise Bird would be exposing somebody right about now.
I expect that the wolves would expect Jub to be guarded since he's "more" confirmed, and would have targeted Bird. Therefore the most likely scenario to me is that the guarding items were given to wolves.
...meaning there's at least two wolves left. Possibly three.
This ain't good.
IRC?
I couldn't agree more. The only situation I can come up with, where it makes sense to wolf Jub3r7 is either if the wolves are EXTREMELY daring, or had both of the guarding items. I think it's safe to say there's either two or three wolves left, so let's not waste this phase.
Who had the seer item, and who did they use it on?
I think it's safe to say that the seer isn't somebody who's posted already, or they would have shared the results (whether they're a wolf or a human).
So from the list of living players:
Dude
Verm
Bird
GZG
SlowPokemon
xK-night-x
SFK
Kman
Meaning that the person with the seering item was either xk, Dude, or Jub3r7. None of the options seem terribly promising.
Too bad Dude gave up... :/
Through talking to Bird, I was reminded of something he tends to do as a wolf: Completely ignore his wolf partners. Without taking a stance on them, he doesn't have to take any flak for defending them, and he doesn't have to risk lynching them. I'll be attacking the current problem under this mindset. This isn't a ranking on suspicion.
Dude - was discussed quite a bit yesterday.
Verm - so damn attractive that nobody can stop talking about him
Bird - CAW CAW.
GZG - Nobody really talked about him being a wolf, but he's been acting human anyways so BLAH BLAH BLAH.
SlowPokemon - I really don't know why nobody talked about him. He's quiet and fits the role of the inactive player as well as anybody.
xK-night-x - Seems to be everyone's go-to "let's lynch an inactive" guy. Enough people seem to be talking about lynching him that the hipster in me says he's not a wolf and the wolves are picking on him.
SFK - Definitely brought up more than most as the go-to inactive to lynch. He's been picking up his activity though.
Kman - Seems to be flying pretty much under the radar after he was seered green.
I don't know what it means for our lynching, but I figured it should be taken into account.
I guess I'll give a player-by-player analysis also.
Dude - There is literally no way to determine whether or not he's a wolf or a human. Apparently he's likely to give up no matter which side he's on (why is he even playing if that's the case?). Not my number one suspicion any more by any means, but he's done incredibly little to suggest that he's human.
Verm - He hasn't done anything outright suspicious besides pushing the raymond lynch which I disagreed with. He's fooled me before though, so we should probably keep an eye on him.
Gzg - Probably the player I trust the most at this point in the game. He's been helpful and acting human this entire game.
SlowPokemon - Can't really recall anything significant that he's done. Immediately responded to my blueflower999 suspicion, and then called it a safety. I don't know NSM TWG that well, but isn't this guy supposed to be kind of an all-star? I think it's odd then, that he's so forgettable.
xnightxk - Completely forgot that this guy was playing. I can't remember anything that he's done, but he could be just about anybody's wolf partner at this point. I'm actually kind of surprised he hasn't been lynched yet.
Kman - Has been acting weird, and it's hard to tell whether his behavior is just nooby or wolfy. I read the last game where he was a wolf, and most of his posts were just random and succinct statements, usually echoing other people's thoughts. I haven't seen anything that differentiates behavior from that game with behavior from this game.
SuperFireKirby - Yeah, I don't really remember him either. What has he done?
I feel like I'm kind of handicapped by the fact that I joined the game late, but I don't remember what a lot of people have done. It looks like both the humans AND the wolves are flying under the radar at this point. If I was going to make an ordered list of people in order of most to least suspicious to me, this is what it would look like:
1= SFK
1= xKnight
3. kman
4. SlowPokemon
5. vermilionvermin
6. Dude
7. GZG
8. Bird
Not really a concrete list, but whatever. I think that a great way to handle this day phase would be to have everybody make arguments as to why they are human. It'll help me decide, and it'll probably help the rest of you guys as well.
Uh, Bird, FYI...this is my first game... :/ so idk who you're comparing me to...
Yeah, I can't edit that mistake out. I was confusing you with blueflower! The first part of the statement still stands though.
<Verm2-D2> bird this is kman's first game
<Bird> well who said that thing
<Bird> listen
<Bird> i think kman said it
<Verm2-D2> you said in a prior game he was a wolf
<Bird> OH
<Bird> that was blueflower
<Bird> oops
<Verm2-D2> i think you mean blueflower
<Bird> whatever
<Bird> yeah lol
<Bird> man all these people blend together!!!
Lol haha, it's ok. Maybe ill get to be a wolf in a future game.
I'm still human, guys! Believe it or not!
Who do you suspect, Kman?
Idk really, Verm. I've just been observing, posting odd comments every now and then because I'm one of those kinds of people who hate doing things wrong, and I want the humans to win, therefore, I havent done much of voting or suspecting and analyzing as I probably should have done.
I also like observing...the only thing wrong with that is when your suddenly the most suspicious one... :/ I like this game.
Anyone could be anything, but I am a human.
Kman96, you aren't permitted to edit your posts in TWG. I won't penalise you for now, but be sure to remember for future reference.
has anyone seen dude or xk????
sorry had work and then dr appt. so exhausted atm. gnight.
ipod safari sucks btw.
Oh shoot. Sorry guys...i changed it from "might have" to "probably" because I didn't want to sound uneducated and without grammar. Won't happen again.
Quote from: Mashi on February 08, 2012, 01:18:33 PMKman96, you aren't permitted to edit your posts in TWG. I won't penalise you for now, but be sure to remember for future reference.
I find it funny that this post is edited :P
Yes, I did it for humourous value. :P
Hey guys got my iPod. Again, sorry for inactivity. And this is going to sound really hypocritical but for inactivity i'm going to vote for SFK. I at least gave a reason for my inactivity which, in my opinion, is perfectly reasonable.
Yeah, I'll admit I really have no reason for my inactivity, other than a shitload of homework and school related stress.
This has just been a all around bad game for me which I haven't really been able to get myself to play. I see I'm prolly gonna get lynched, which wouldn't be too much of a problem except that the humans would be one step closer to losing.(Human to wolf ratio related-ness) So I shall be determined to keep myself alive for the good of humanity.
I'll be in IRC if anyone wishes to blast me with accusations and whatnot. I'll be waiting.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on February 08, 2012, 06:57:03 PMYeah, I'll admit I really have no reason for my inactivity, other than a shitload of homework and school related stress.
This is why i'm glad i have my iPod so i can check more often and not be inactive. I know your pain. (Stoopid algebra 2...)
Whenever people tend to bring up inactives, they often have tendencies. Humans tend to suspect those for whom they find it odd to be inactive, and wolves tend to suspect those who aren't wolves.
Based upon this principle, it makes most sense that the inactive for whom I should vote is the one who not only is normally active, but also seems to be completely evading suspicion.
That person is Slow.
Lolwat
I'm evading suspicion for a reason and it's not inactivity when there's nothing more to say. I'm getting the feeling you're voting me just because I voted you.
In the past four pages, you've had two game-related posts.
You act like that isn't normal of me :P I kinda have a life beyond TWG. I played one really good game a long time ago, that doesn't make me an all-star like you seem to think.
So, no, I'm not usually active. At least I haven't been this game or last game, and probably the couple games prior. I 'll have to check, but still.
Yeah I don't really get your logic. I never really understood how inactivity=wolf anyway.
Well i think inactivity makes a person seem like they're avoiding saying anything that could potentially get them lynched.
The reason I'm voting inactives is because the wolfings don't make sense. Wolfing Jub night 2 eliminates the potential for the wolves to frame Jub and Kman as wolves together. Shadowkirby's wolfing Night 1 doesn't seem to make any sort of sense at all.
That's why I believe the wolves are inactive.
Kk I see your logic there. But now that you mention that...
The wolfings DON'T make any sense. At all. That would imply that the wolf had no idea what he was doing. Which points to the wolf being a new player.
The more I think of it, the more logical it seems that Kman should be a wolf. I thought that from the beginning. But...I just don't understand what the deal was with him being green. That screws everything up again! This game makes NO SENSE, I am entirely befuddled and only grow more so the more I think about it.
I am not a wolf! I've said it a BILLION times.
I'm human. I really am! Why does no one believe me...I think the wolves are continually trying to frame me...in fact, no ones really pointed out that idea of a new player being a wolf until you, as if no one had ever noticed a detail like such...as if you were trying to frame means well...
Just a thought.
Me as well*
Quote from: Kman96 on February 08, 2012, 09:08:12 PMI am not a wolf! I've said it a BILLION times.
I'm human. I really am! Why does no one believe me...I think the wolves are continually trying to frame me...in fact, no ones really pointed out that idea of a new player being a wolf until you, as if no one had ever noticed a detail like such...as if you were trying to frame means well...
Just a thought.
LOL. Just saying, you're never going to avoid suspicion by saying "I'm not a wolf." No one will just believe you. It's annoying but it's true. And personally, you being a wolf only works in theory. All evidence with you points otherwise.
Quote from: Kman96 on February 08, 2012, 09:08:12 PMI am not a wolf! I've said it a BILLION times.
You can't just say you're not a wolf. No one would believe you. That'd be like saying you were a wolf. Like, say...Mashi just told everyone he was a wolf. That'd be entirely ridiculous but do you think people would believe him?
well...probably but that's not the point. The point is you can't just claim something wothout hard evidence.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on February 08, 2012, 08:52:36 PMThe more I think of it, the more logical it seems that Kman should be a wolf. I thought that from the beginning. But...I just don't understand what the deal was with him being green. That screws everything up again! This game makes NO SENSE, I am entirely befuddled and only grow more so the more I think about it.
He could've been painted. That's always a possibility here.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on February 08, 2012, 08:52:36 PMKk I see your logic there. But now that you mention that...
The wolfings DON'T make any sense. At all. That would imply that the wolf had no idea what he was doing. Which points to the wolf being a new player.
I don't think I agree with this logic. Do newer wolves attack randomly? I guess they might, but I know that if I was a newer wolf, I would attack the person who I perceive to be the most skilled. I mean, they're the biggest threat, so why not attack them? And on the other side of the coin, I don't think that random kills make it impossible for an experienced player to be a wolf. An experienced wolf could make random kills in order to give off a false trail, or to prevent people from determining who he is based off of the killings.
So it probably isn't the best idea to try and determine who the wolf is based solely on the killings. On top of that, there's probably at least two wolves left, and it would be unlikely that they would both be new players. Whoever the more experienced wolf is is probably the one making the calls, so we might want to consider that before pointing fingers.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on February 08, 2012, 08:52:36 PMThe more I think of it, the more logical it seems that Kman should be a wolf. I thought that from the beginning. But...I just don't understand what the deal was with him being green. That screws everything up again! This game makes NO SENSE, I am entirely befuddled and only grow more so the more I think about it.
Ehh... The more
I think about it, the less I suspect Kman. There's the green result (which obviously could be faked by the painter, but is just as likely to point to him being human), and there's the fact that his defense seems so naive. Like... if I was a wolf in my first game, I don't think I would expect lines like "I promise" to convince anyone. Actually, I'd probably be a lot quieter than Kman is being.
So I guess I'm just going to vote for
SFK, unless he can tell me a single thing he's done which indicates that he's human.
K, up.
This is really getting difficult as everyone is equally suspicious in my eyes, but I'll put a half-safety half-vote on Verm.
Why am I targeted? Dude, has been not caring and Slow hasn't been very active since Day 1. GzGreg didn't become active until after night 2. Pinning inactivity as a reason to lynch, imo is not a good way to do things this far into the game. Because you end up lynching humans all too easily(as may be the case if I get lynched today).
And take a look at the wolfings. Every single part of them indicates a new player simply going for random players(and trying to wolf Jubby twice).
I haven't been very active, this I am aware of. But that doesn't mean I've been completely idle. I've been doing my best with the time I've had on my hands, which hasn't been very much.
Oh and Bird, tell me a single thing I've done which indicates I'm a wolf.
LIST:
1. Dude - Literally has done nothing.
2. vermilionvermin - Seems to be the only person who's pointed out Slow. Has also ridden a SLow lynching from the beginning. It could be a trap.
5. Bird - He's confirmed a human(though how he was "confirmed, I am not aware of) but he seems so wolfy. How was he confirmed a human anyway?
6. gzgregory - Like I said, didn't become active until after Night 2. Didn't think blueflower was a wolf, which I think indicates he's human, because in retrospect, I don't think BF was a wolf.
7. SlowPokemon - He really hasn't contributed much to the game, voted with the BF vote, and jumped on the rayray bandwagon at tlast minute when he saw that he wouldn't be able to lynch kman.
9. xK-NiGhTx - Lack of activity, and doing really anything, including defending himself. While he does have an excuse, he could be lying.
11. SuperFireKirby - So sexy, you'll get distracted from your trouble with the ladies.
12. Kman96 - Seer'd green. I don't think he's a wolf.
Slow
omg guys i wrote another story
and i think ill do another
that would be two in a row!!!!!!!!!
...I'm kinda thinking SFK sees a chance to frame me with verm.
SFK:
Unless a player is extremely dumb (and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here by saying that you aren't), they won't do anything to incriminate themselves. Oftentimes it boils down to which player is the least human-seeming. I think this is one of those games. I'm not saying Dude and SlowPokemon are innocent, I'm just saying that they have managed to seem more human than you have.
I've already stated why it is impossible to judge the experience of a wolf based on the wolfings, and it's even more impossible to do so when there are pretty much guaranteed to be 2-3 wolves still alive. Yet you seemed to have ignored my logic and asserted that "obviously" the wolf is inexperienced.
...and then you went on to vote SlowPokemon, who is one of the farthest players here from "inexperienced".
All in all, you said a bunch of contradictory stuff in your post, and completely failed to point out anything you've done that indicates you are human. My vote isn't set in stone right now, but you're going to have to be extremely persuasive in your next posts if you want me to change it.
Also, his information about me is inaccurate. Yeah I'm switching my vote to SFK with verm as my next top suspect.
SFK...you just really have not done much to help this game. Even though you had an attempt at analyzing, it was feeble and your logic was obviously flawed. I just really feel like you saw verm vote for me and was like "hey that could work" (or more likely you worked it out prior to that).
And while it's possible Bird's just leading me into a trap, I HIGHLY doubt this as he has been extremely helpful and contributive. He has been sort of "orchestrating" the lynches, but I feel like he's human. Which is at least more than I can say for you...
The logic in the SFK lynch is sound.
can we not insta him
ninja'd: :-\
That's not an insta, is it?
5.01/8.03. It's an insta.
GG.
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Quote from: SuperFireKirby on February 09, 2012, 01:05:22 PMDude has been not caring
When did this rumor start? I never stopped caring, I just don't like posting. Chatroom chats are better anyway (When I am there).
Also shit.
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1. Wolf Painter - Sends the Host a PM every Night Phase with the name of a Player and a Colour. For that Night Phase, that Player will be seered that Colour.
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
5. Miller - Human seered Red. Is told that he is Human.
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
Item 1 - Seering Item
Item 2 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
Item 3 - Guarding Item (Cannot be used on self)
These 3 Items will be distributed to 3 random Players every Night Phase for the first 3 Night Phases (Wolves can also receive Items). Afterwards, only Item 1 will be distributed to a random Player every Night Phase. Items may not be saved to be used at a later Phase.
Day 3 has ended. SuperFireKirby has been Insta'd!
1. Saint Swooper Dude
2. vermilionvermin
3. blueflower999
4. shadowkirby
5. Wrydryn Bird
6. gzgregory (Phantom x1)
7. SlowPokemon
8. Raymondbl
9. xK-NiGhTx
10. Jub3r7
11. SuperFireKirby (Phantom x1)
12. Kman96 (Phantom x1)
Story will be edited in later.
Wolves Win.