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The Boy's Forest of Tears

Welcome! This is my Forest! You might not know how you got here, but I'll tell ya, it wasn't easy! You've been teleported here with 17 other strangers who you know nothing about, you might think you know them, but trust me, you really do not.


The aim is to survive and only then will you be let out. Survive for how long you ask? Until the ones who cannot cry drop down dead. Some of you can collect Little Red Boxes from special trees. You people know who you are because you will have been told this:
   


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)


The Unlucky ones:

01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles - Third Party Serial Killer
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

I am currently teleporting the unlucky ones into my forest, however it is still Night 1. Night 1 will end on Wednesday 8pm GMT+1.

This is gonna be a fun game, right Mashi? ;)

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on August 26, 2013, 12:49:16 PMI won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Are we given the option to do so...? :P

WHAT'S HAPPENING?!?!?!

WHERE AM I?!?!?!

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE???!????!?

WHAT IS ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mariolegofan isn't capitalized. But that is ok  :)

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 26, 2013, 01:08:30 PMAre we given the option to do so...? :P

That's for you to figure out.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on August 26, 2013, 01:26:13 PMThat's for you to figure out.

Wonderful; I feel so mischievous now!! :3

So, anyone want a little colour coordination?

Just the basic seering results is all.

Humans - Green
Specials - Blue
Box Keepers - Brown
Herring - Blue
Wolves - Red

But will that necessarily be the case? Heck, will there even be humans and wolves? What if this game is just full of box keepers?

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on August 26, 2013, 01:32:37 PMBut will that necessarily be the case? Heck, will there even be humans and wolves? What if this game is just full of box keepers?

Box Keepers ripping each other apart, thinking that there are wolves among them... reminds me of a certain episode of a certain 60's television series.

You should all have been successfully teleported here now. If not, oh well.

And to clarify, Box Keepers can not send out any box that they have received from others. It's not good to give gifts away.

Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 26, 2013, 12:51:12 PMThis is gonna be a fun game, right Mashi? ;)

Never!!! ;)

Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 26, 2013, 12:51:12 PMThis is gonna be a fun game, right Mashi? ;)

There shall be no fun in my forest.

gonna have to brake ur rools, toby
in fact, there wont just be fun
there will be supermegaultrafun

And my pen has ran out of ink so I can no longer send out private messages. How about we go for a little chit chat somewhere nice (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)?

And to clarify someone else I will notify you every time you receive a box.

Oh, and before I forget, Box Keepers aren't allowed to change who they have given their box to, once the present has been given you can't take it back, that's just plain rude.

give me your boxes, everyone
i am the please

Kill the host.

MaestroUGC, I have the power to start a fire anywhere at any time, shall I start one now?

you musnt
only YOU can stop forest fires

Sure, start a fire, see how that ends up. I could go for some s'mores right now.

Hey, if you are a normal human, please claim! Otherwise, I will assume that normal humans don't exist, and that we're all box keepers.

I'm a normal human.

So do we know what specials there are? For example, is there a guardian so a seer could safely come forward?

Quote from: Liggy on August 26, 2013, 02:58:20 PMI'm a normal human.

Quote from: Contranegative on August 26, 2013, 02:40:28 PMHey, if you are a normal human, please claim! Otherwise, I will assume that normal humans don't exist, and that we're all box keepers.

are you serious

what is stopping the box keepers from just claiming normal human

Howdy.  I'm present.

Trying to make some behind-the-scenes magic happen. I know it's the first phase, but it's pretty important that everybody check this thread frequently for updates!

up

I'm gift

I just got confirmation that my power can't be revoked because it's based on my WONDERFUL GIGANTIC MUSCLES.

I am a special and my power is that I cannot be wolfed.  I realize this is a huge power, and it probably means that the wolves have something big too.  Based on that part of the host post that BDS was interested in, I'm thinking that the wolves can probably steal boxes from one player per phase or something.

As such, I suggest not giving me boxes though I'd appreciate claims.

Yay, something happened. Anyways, I'll probably waiting till day 1 to do anything to see how things pan out before taking any action, so this is more of a filler post.

Quote from: FireArrow on August 26, 2013, 09:14:47 PMYay, something happened. Anyways, I'll probably waiting till day 1 to do anything to see how things pan out before taking any action, so this is more of a filler post.

It would be really convenient (and brilliant on Verm's part, I must say) if Verm was a wolf... :P Making up powers since we can't tell if he's lying or not...

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 26, 2013, 09:16:17 PMIt would be really convenient (and brilliant on Verm's part, I must say) if Verm was a wolf... :P Making up powers since we can't tell if he's lying or not...

I dont think verms lying, but its stupid to come out early. usually the counter measure for verms immunity is to have a strongarm shot that bipasses it. I'll be going for verm if he doesnt die this phase

Don't claim to verm. If he is a lying wolf, you're playing right into his hands.

We have no way of knowing if what he said is true, so I see little reason to trust him at this point.

Quote from: fank009 on August 26, 2013, 10:27:12 PMI dont think verms lying, but its stupid to come out early. usually the counter measure for verms immunity is to have a strongarm shot that bipasses it. I'll be going for verm if he doesnt die this phase

Wait wait what you say?? ???

You're surprised that he came out early, when he has a wolfsbane power... you'll suspect him if he doesn't die, although he has a wolfsbane power...?

Also, I never said that I believed 100% he was lying; merely that it is possible (and, as you know, I like bringing up all the likely possibilities).

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 26, 2013, 10:36:04 PMYou're surprised that he came out early, when he has a wolfsbane power... you'll suspect him if he doesn't die, although he has a wolfsbane power...?

You missed my "strongarm" comment? Unless you guys dont play with a strong arm (which I somewhat doubt, due to how you guys like to even it out...) Strongarm shots are for killing those invincible to the night kill, so by outing himself now, he's begging to be shot by the strongarm.

never trust verm verm, hes vermin

But anyway, yes, don't claim to him.  As Bird stated, he could easily be faking as a Wolf.  I'm a bit hesitant towards believing that his power apparently not being capable of being revoked; a permanent Wolfsbane certainly seems odd, especially if a game is balanced.  Nevertheless, I won't throw out all my trust of him (well, I don't have any, but you know what I mean!!!) just yet; if his claim were true, he would have every reason to claim.  Either way, don't claim to him.

Quote from: fank009 on August 27, 2013, 12:29:55 AMYou missed my "strongarm" comment? Unless you guys dont play with a strong arm (which I somewhat doubt, due to how you guys like to even it out...) Strongarm shots are for killing those invincible to the night kill, so by outing himself now, he's begging to be shot by the strongarm.

If that were the case, there would be little to no point of having a wolfsbane in the first place...

typically there is only one strong arm shot BDS... (maybe there is no strong arm shot in this game???)

(completely unhelpful post)

Look I'm BDS

Hmm well things could be one way... But I suppose they could merely be the other, as well... :P

dont listen to verm i am the please claim to me

Jokes aside, though, I think what we may need here is a little co-operation from the wolves. I say the wolves go after verm this phase, and if he doesn't die, then we know he is telling the truth. If he does die, I would assume he would be a Box Keeper or something. If there's no attempt at all, then there's a good chance he's a wolf.

I don't know why the wolves would ever agree to that. I found a better prospect anyway.

Somebody PM'd me saying that they were a mason with another player. I don't know if it's a bluff or not, but I figure I'd bring it up to the thread anyway. Do you think he/she should claim? Or both of them, even? It would create a much stronger alliance, and I think it would be easier to trust two masons than one verm.

wait what does the mason do

Also, I feel like if verm is not a wolf, the wolves wouldn't have a problem with going after him. That's one less Human/Box Keeper lying around if his claims are false, and if they do miss, the chances of us finding a wolf day 1 is potentially 1/18.

Quote from: K-NiGhT on August 27, 2013, 01:01:19 PMwait what does the mason do

Also, I feel like if verm is not a wolf, the wolves wouldn't have a problem with going after him. That's one less Human/Box Keeper lying around if his claims are false, and if they do miss, the chances of us finding a wolf day 1 is potentially 1/18.

Masons are humans who know each other.

Alright, I'll pitch in my two cents for today. Will be able to be more active tomorrow. I'd be wary of trusting Verm, because, as others said, there's no way to verify his identity unless the wolves help out, and why would they do that? Also, I have absolutely no clue why on earth if he actually did have this ability he would post on the thread about it. I mean, he should know that the wolves will probably have a counter for it, and he's too smart not to think about that. I'd suggest not trusting anyone who claims special, unless they can prove it. Personally I'd imagine Verm's doing some test of some sort, or he's a wolf. I believe the former to be more likely, but the latter is also an option worth considering.

That's about it. Sorry for lack of activity today, school and stuff. Like I said, I'll be more active tomorrow.

I'm cool with one of the masons claiming so long as there's some sort of way to check them.  Here's what I propose:

Step 1:  One Mason claims.
Step 2:  Mason sends a PM to Sir Awesomesauce (bird's alt) telling him the name of the other mason.
Step 3:  If anyone logs into the Sir Awesomesauce account, we lynch bird.

This provides another layer of accountability on the part of the mason.  The mason has to pick a person on Night 1 and defend that person as their partner for the entire game.

Also:  There's no way the wolves attack me tonight.  The wolves know I'm telling the truth, and they know their kill will fail.  Additionally, they know that lynching me is the only way to get rid of me, so they'll further ideas like fank's and K-Night's by not attacking me even if they do have a strongman.

How would the wolves know that you're telling the truth?

I forgot that a strongman would theoretically go through my invincibility.

Fank, I'm curious as to what your motive was for saying that I'm a wolf if I survive tonight.  I could see you wanting to express that idea at some point, but saying it knowing the wolves will have time to alter their wolfing if necessary seems a bit silly!

Ninja'd by Mr. E.  The wolves would know that I'm telling the truth because they'd know I'm not a wolf.

verm come to chat pls

But Verm, as I said, you could easily be trying to get a reaction or trick the wolves (or humans) in some way through a plan. It doesn't make any sense to me why if you really did have this power, you'd be flaunting it like this.

To be fair, though, I'd say Verm did nearly the same thing (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5519.msg207822#msg207822) in TWG LI (although that doesn't necessarily say anything strongly for his humanity). Then again, in that game, I didn't want him to claim so early, to hopefully avoid a wolfing (odd logic since I was a wolf in that game :P).

The difference is that his claim in that game was verifiable. As in, we knew that the item existed, and we knew by lack of counterclaims that nobody else had it.

verm where r u

But that was that you knew for sure existed, and could be proved without the wolves being nice and helping us out. ninja'd by bird

Quote from: Bird on August 27, 2013, 02:41:29 PMThe difference is that his claim in that game was verifiable. As in, we knew that the item existed, and we knew by lack of counterclaims that nobody else had it.

verm where r u

And the difference is that this is a mystery game... I think you're being a bit too "extreme" with your reaction: essentially, if we can't trust him, how can we trust the masons, or anybody, with the potential for unreliable seerings if wolves get enough boxes for a seering.

Better to not trust someone than trust them blindly without any proof or evidence.

Quote from: Mr. E on August 27, 2013, 02:45:33 PMBetter to not trust someone than trust them blindly without any proof or evidence.

And trust nobody but yourself and get torn apart by disorganization?

Nah, I trust people, but we can't just trust someone because they say, "I'm a special. You didn't know I existed but I do. Claim to me."

Quote from: Mr. E on August 27, 2013, 02:45:33 PMBetter to not trust someone than trust them blindly without any proof or evidence.

I agree with this. Since we don't have a verified seer/guardian team, we have no true way of having much communication with the human team AS A WHOLE. Masons are one thing.

That being said, does anybody know if there is a guardian/seer? If we could somehow find a way to get these two roles in contact, that would seriously help the cause.

e: ninja'd by BDS being hypocritical. aren't you like the most paranoid person ever of all time

Ninja'd twice wtf

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 27, 2013, 02:48:11 PMAnd trust nobody but yourself and get torn apart by disorganization?

No.

Vigis can back up their identity with kills. Seers with results, mediums with dead people information and masons with partners. Wolfsbane and loose cannon type roles on the other hand, have no way of backing up the things they say. They're notoriously easy to false claim in mystery games, because if they're human, the wolves will be too scared to risk attacking them, and if they're wolves, people will assume the wolves are too scared to risk attacking them.

Sure, you can't blindly trust people. You also can't avoid trying to organize your team. But you can avoid making high-risk decisions, which I think perfectly describes what trusting verm is.

If two masons claimed to bird, it would make more sense to trust them than verm. If they were wolves and were found out, that's two wolves down instead of one. But I'm curious as to why they would claim to bird on night one before anything substantial happens

Quote from: vermilionvermin on August 27, 2013, 02:17:48 PMAlso:  There's no way the wolves attack me tonight.  The wolves know I'm telling the truth, and they know their kill will fail.  Additionally, they know that lynching me is the only way to get rid of me, so they'll further ideas like fank's and K-Night's by not attacking me even if they do have a strongman.

Or, you're still lying and just don't think the wolves would risk attacking somebody who brags about how invincible they are.

I think your masons plan is good, but the additional layer of accountability on the mason only lasts as long as I stay alive, since I'm not telling anyone the password to my other account. Not like it matters though.

I'm a mason. Please claim to me.

I am keeping my partner's identity a secret for now, but I can unveil it along with the PMs we've exchanged if people don't trust me. Seeing as how my role is both more believable and more trustworthy than verm's, it would be nice to get boxes to give to my partner so that I can be guarded tonight.

Conversation with Verm. He never responded to the last bit. Judge as you will.

Spoiler

22:17   Siri   Hey, Nighthawk.
22:17   Vermverm   Hi...Fawful?
22:17   Vermverm   or mr e
22:18      *** Siri is now known as MisterE
22:18   MisterE   So. Why should I believe you?
22:19   Vermverm   you should believe me because I'm telling the truth!
22:19   MisterE   What reason do i have to think that you're telling the truth?
22:20   Vermverm   I don't know if I'd be so risky as a wolf
22:21   MisterE   Well, even if you aren't a wolf, it would still be risky. And from what I've seen, you would be so risky as a wolf.
22:21   Vermverm   I generally don't take risks
22:21   Vermverm   I get myself into no-lose situations
22:22   MisterE   Huh. i seem to recall you having a history of false-claiming and such. If that was the case here, and you're a wolf, you probably have a human waiting to back you up.
22:22   MisterE   But i don't necessarily think you're a wolf.
22:23   MisterE   Why didn't you anticipate wolves having a counter ability. That seems like a pretty losing situation.
22:23   MisterE   And if you're a human, it would lose us a potentially valuable asset.
22:23   Vermverm   How do we know that the wolves do have a strongman ability?
22:24   Vermverm   I thought it was much more likely that they had a box-stealing ability or something
22:24   MisterE   We don't know.
22:24   MisterE   But I think you'd at least consider the risk, before claiming.

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Just so people know the powers you can get from boxes can't be used on yourself.

If you receive a box from someone else you can't give it away.

You can't use your own boxes. You have to give them away.

You can only use 1 ability unless otherwise stated. You can't use 2 box abilities. You can't use a box ability and your own ability. Only 1.

Uh... I guess ignore that part of my post about the boxes. I totally didn't understand how they worked.

So I humbly request that some noble soul bodyguard me tonight.

Verm... Why keep you alive, when you are a "cleared" Human??? Thats why I'm confident they would use a strong arm shot over saving it for later.

Bird, No you cant give boxes to your mason partner, TBWCW said that allready :/ And people have boxes now??? I thought the clock striking would be a system announcement (in otherwords, your prolly a dead man bird)

Unless theres a player who has a guarding power outside the boxes, yeah bird you cant be guarded.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on August 27, 2013, 03:45:30 PMYou can't use your own boxes. You have to give them away.

basically means that even if someone has a box this phase they cant use it besides giving it away

Quote from: fank009 on August 27, 2013, 04:26:57 PMVerm... Why keep you alive, when you are a "cleared" Human??? Thats why I'm confident they would use a strong arm shot over saving it for later.

That's the thing: Why would they use it if there's doubts as to Verm's humanity (assuming they even have one)? If they killed him, they'd confirm somebody who has the potential to be lynched, assuming things don't go right for him.

Quote from: Bird on August 27, 2013, 03:38:55 PMSeeing as how my role is both more believable and more trustworthy than verm's,

No, it's not. The whole reason why a mason is verifiable is because they have a partner, but without any conformation about you partner, it's just as empty as a claim as verms.

Quote from: FireArrow on August 27, 2013, 06:04:17 PMNo, it's not. The whole reason why a mason is verifiable is because they have a partner, but without any conformation about you partner, it's just as empty as a claim as verms.

And as I said in the chat, if he stated who his partner was, they'd both be wolfed, something that no human would do (or, at least I'd think no human would do...).

That's understandable why he wouldn't do that, but he can't very well say that his claim is more verifiable if he has no one to support his claim.

Quote from: Liggy on August 27, 2013, 06:23:57 PMThat's understandable why he wouldn't do that, but he can't very well say that his claim is more verifiable if he has no one to support his claim.

...which is essentially what I said...

Moar posts from people please

02. Davy
12. TheZeldaPianist275
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit

Back too Verm/bird discussion?

Here's the big question, Would wolves flush out a mason/Wolfsbane (with strongarm?) so early???

though its good if we could get clears so that we can get those boxes sorted. (mind you pretty hard to put some claims out there...)

Dont get mad at people for not posting much on night 1. Theres nothing they can really say besides agree/disagree with people at this point

I think we should trust bird.

All logic and reason dictates that bird should die tonight.  He has no way to know if there is a guardian, and this is the wolves' only chance to kill him before guardians and bodyguards kick in.  If he's a wolf, this is suicide.  People speaking out against him claiming are only hurting the human effort to establish an alliance.

Claim to him.

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In the chat if anyone wants too.

Let me tell you why SlowPokemon is a Wolf!!!

"SlowPokemon: Just got out of math!!!
Mashi: How was it?
SlowPokemon: Fun!!! It's algebra so I'm the smartest kid in the class
Mashi: what is 2+2
SlowPokemon: giraffe
Mashi: you are jeeneeus"

here is undeniable evidence that he is a wolf

EDIT: HAD TO FIX A TYPO AND I JUST COULDN'T JUST LEAVE IT THERE, GIVE ME A PHANTOM!!!

hes just worried bc giraffes eat wolves

everybody multiply 2+ 2

Screams of laughter could be hear in the distance. The sun was rising. The morning is coming

4 hours left of night

Box keepers have their boxes once the night begins, if anyone else was confused by this then PM me, my minions.

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)


The Unlucky ones:

01. Mashi
02. Davy
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

___________________________________________________

So in the deep dark forest two screams where heard. A manly scream and a girly scream, no one could tell who's belonged to who though.
Lightening struck and day began but the camp started with 2 players less. However, player 1's right arm was found in player 15's backpack, player 4's head was found in player 9's tent, player 1's left leg was found outside player 2's tent and player 4's toes were found scattered all around player 18's sleeping bag.

Players 1 and 4 were last seen out for a walk with players 6, 8 and 5. Player 17 said he heard player 1 and 6 come back late to camp talking about how player 4 was pretty pathetic. We'll never know how the two players were murdered though. It's quite odd how no one seems to know the answer.

Mashi and BlackDragonSlayer were brutally murdered last night. They were killed, chopped up, and scattered around camp. A smell of bodies surrounds the air throughout the camp so the players decide to pack up and move on elsewhere.

Mashi was Box Keeper number 5. At 5pm his body would be taken over and he would be delivered his box.

BlackDragonSlayer was a Brown Wolf. He was born deformed at birth, so he came out brown.

01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5.
02. Davy
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf.
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

The sun is up and the birds are in the sky. It is now Day 1. Day 1 ends Friday 8pm GMT+1.

Role reveal is interesting. Does the little story paragraph have any meaning in it?

Quote from: Bubbles on August 28, 2013, 12:26:50 PMRole reveal is interesting. Does the little story paragraph have any meaning in it?

Everything has a meaning to it, you just need to decide if it is useful or not.

one box keeper down, (there's at least 5 of them...) and that brown wolf... (I guess it's to balance and not make all the Brown players "clear")  But still, that 2nd shot... insane vig is insane if that's the case. But otherwise, I think there's a killer on the loose, (unless pro vig is pro... but, I dont see BDS being vig shot...)

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I think that it's likely Vermverm was a wolf based on his serious claim yesterday. Obviously, wolves will always say they're human. So anyone who claims human is probably a wolf.

Good job mariolegofan for helping the real humans survive another night. :)

Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 28, 2013, 01:08:16 PMObviously, wolves will always say they're human. So anyone who claims human is probably a wolf.

That being said, I claim as a wolf. I hope the other humans can see the truth and follow suit.

i am the wolf please claim to me

Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 28, 2013, 01:08:16 PMI think that it's likely Vermverm was a wolf based on his serious claim yesterday. Obviously, wolves will always say they're human. So anyone who claims human is probably a wolf.

Good job mariolegofan for helping the real humans survive another night. :)

1st off, Although wolfsbane is a safe claim, It doesnt mean that they are not human, I allready grilled verm yesterday on that...
Obvious wolves would say they are human??? more like obvious wolves would say they are green. verm coming out as wolfsbane, I can see as him being wolfsbane, liggy claiming green, I can see as anything. Yes, wolves can try and take a chance, but a) how will they know a role would exist if they want to try draw it out, 2) is it really worth risk being lynched/killed. In a mystery game where who knows whats out there, Wolves are more hesitant to come out openly like verm did.

Also... That BOLD PART...

Oh yeah, And i made a promise
Verm

Okay, there's a lot to get through. I've received a handful of claims, but certainly not all of them. If you are unsure what "claim" means, it means that since I am a trustworthy player in the game (a person very likely to be human), you can feel comfortable sending a PM to me containing your role and what you know. This way, we'll be able to start an alliance to make it easier to hunt down the wolves.

First, to make this claim more legitimate, I am letting everyone know that my partner is mariolegofan. Here are the PMs we've exchanged since the game's inception.

Spoiler

Quote from: mariolegofan on August 26, 2013, 02:16:29 PMIt looks like we are brothers! What do we do now?

Quote from: Bird on August 26, 2013, 03:55:08 PMQuick question: is this your first TWG?

As for what we should do, I think it could be a good idea for one of us (or both of us) to claim either Night 1 or Day 1. As in, one of us should announce to the thread that he is a mason. After that, people will believe that if we're masons, we're probably humans, and then we can ask everybody to tell us via PM what their role is. This will allow us to find out which players are human specials (like seers and guardians), and will narrow the number of possible wolves for us to lynch come day phase.

The risk with a plan like this is that it could lead to one of us being wolfed; the wolves will see that we're trying to organize the humans, and well attempt to stop it by killing us.

I think it's worth it though! What do you think?

Quote from: mariolegofan on August 27, 2013, 10:19:58 AMyes this is my first twg.
I thik you should do all the pm messaging to the others ok?

Quote from: Bird on August 27, 2013, 11:09:17 AMWhat do you mean?

Quote from: mariolegofan on August 27, 2013, 11:24:54 AMI meant that Im gonna stay low and not pm anyone. So, if you want, you can do the ''pming'' to other players to see if they are a gurdian or box holder or etc.

Quote from: Bird on August 27, 2013, 04:49:01 PMDo you mind if I tell the thread you're a mason?

Quote from: Bird on August 27, 2013, 09:47:41 PMJust let me know if it's okay to tell the thread you're a mason ASAP please!

And if I die, please post the following message in the thread:
[[REDACTED]]

Quote from: mariolegofan on August 28, 2013, 10:15:18 AMok, you can tell them

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I've arranged some degree of protection to happen between us, so the wolves can attack us if they dare, but I believe our alliance will remain stable for at least the next few phases.

Once I've received claims from everyone, we can talk lynches. I have a great candidate in mind already, but would like to wait before we do anything about him/her.

Finally, can anyone shed some light on what happened last night?

Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 28, 2013, 01:08:16 PMGood job mariolegofan for helping the real humans survive another night. :)

I'm pretty curious as to why you're saying this. Mariolegofan made one post last night, and by the looks of it he didn't PM anyone besides Sauce either. Without much of a motive, your post comes off as odd to me.

QuoteI'm pretty curious as to why you're saying this. Mariolegofan made one post last night, and by the looks of it he didn't PM anyone besides Sauce either. Without much of a motive, your post comes off as odd to me.

YEAH, WOLF

Guys, verm's claims are legit. A seer has come forward to me and told me that he seered verm blue last night. Unfortunately that's all I can say right now in order to protect the seer's identity, but I think they are trustworthy.

Why would a seer randomly come forward to you?

beats me. i must say it was a pretty risky move.

Quote from: K-NiGhT on August 28, 2013, 02:59:10 PMbeats me. i must say it was a pretty risky move.

No one really comes out with anything without getting something in return (oh wait...)

(4:58:27 PM) bird: I'm thinking he could be a wolf, and maybe there's a wolf shaman on their team.
(4:58:36 PM) bird: He would come out and say that to look like he's being helpful.

Just my thoughts on the matter. It's still a day phase, after all!

Believe what you want, I guess. All i'm saying is verm is reportedly blue.

:/ Dead Thread = Dead humans...
I would vote for the inactives, But I dont have enough votes available to do all that :/

Quote from: Bird on August 28, 2013, 02:21:25 PMOnce I've received claims from everyone, we can talk lynches. I have a great candidate in mind already, but would like to wait before we do anything about him/her.

Care to tell us now?

Ugh, sorry for my absence guys.  I'll try to be on as much as I can, but no promises.

While Bird's idea is better, I don't think Verm would lie.  Particularly this early in this game.  I've played enough games with him as a wolf to know that is not his playing style.

But, that IS his playing style.

Bird, can you just say who we lynch now?  The phase ends at 2 PM EST  tomorrow I think, which doesn't give a whole lot of time for an insta/people to vote.

maestro
Lets get some conversation going

Such as, why maestro?

safety on slow

safety on davy.  If Bird hasn't posted who it is by midnight eastern tonight I'll just post who I think it is and why.

Safety on verm.

Mainly for the trollng n1, not a lot, but all we have really

Don't care if Maestro safetied, this is a real vote for now:

Verm is being a bit too passive.  He asks Bird who we should vote for, and then when other people start voting, he follows suit.  He also said he had an idea of who Bird might think is a wolf, but instead of acting on it, he safeties instead.  This really isn't productive behavior, and it's really invoking a feeling that he doesn't want to call out anyone he doesn't "have" to, which is much more of a behavior of a wolf than a human.  A human would want to call out everyone they find suspicious.  A wolf would be more hesitant in the hopes that they can just bandwagon some other vote.

Pretty weak, Liggy.  If I know who bird wants to lynch, it's for good reason.  Not wanting to spill the beans before he wants me to isn't wolfy.

Quote from: Liggy on August 29, 2013, 04:30:20 PMDon't care if Maestro safetied, this is a real vote for now:

Verm is being a bit too passive.  He asks Bird who we should vote for, and then when other people start voting, he follows suit.  He also said he had an idea of who Bird might think is a wolf, but instead of acting on it, he safeties instead.  This really isn't productive behavior, and it's really invoking a feeling that he doesn't want to call out anyone he doesn't "have" to, which is much more of a behavior of a wolf than a human.  A human would want to call out everyone they find suspicious.  A wolf would be more hesitant in the hopes that they can just bandwagon some other vote.

I don't really agree with you. You seem like the type that likes red onions on salad, too.

Liggy

Yeah...I fail to see why waiting until Bird gives his idea to vote is a bad thing if he isn't certain.

Liggy

Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 29, 2013, 04:56:54 PMI don't really agree with you. You seem like the type that likes red onions on salad, too.

...what?

I'm voting for Verm because he's passively waiting for a lynch.  I can understand not voting for a person if he's not completely suspicious, but he didn't even through out a name.

I'll post this in case Liggy has a defense:

Quote from: Liggy on August 26, 2013, 07:05:45 PMI trust you enough to understand that killing me would be a stupid idea!

I claimed human to Fawful and was really adamant about it, for various reasons.  It's important for me to keep the downlow, you see.

I'm a Loner.  But don't worry, it's not overriding!  It's brown, which I guess is probably significant, because I have some neat box based powers.  I'd rather NOT disclose them all right now, because if there's anything I learned from GoT it's that NSM has a lonerphobia.

This is a PM I got from Liggy after my claim.  I kept quiet about it since there wasn't much I could do about him being a Loner Night 1 and figured he'd be less likely to act against the humans, but I talked to bird about it.  The win conditions are super specific in my role PM and in the first post of the game that in order to win we need to kill all non-humans.  A loner is a non-human.

Liggy also may have a killing power since a wolf died Night 1!

Quote from: vermilionvermin on August 29, 2013, 05:43:09 PMI'll post this in case Liggy has a defense:

This is a PM I got from Liggy after my claim.  I kept quiet about it since there wasn't much I could do about him being a Loner Night 1 and figured he'd be less likely to act against the humans, but I talked to bird about it.  The win conditions are super specific in my role PM and in the first post of the game that in order to win we need to kill all non-humans.  A loner is a non-human.

Liggy also may have a killing power since a wolf died Night 1!

Quote from: vermilionvermin on August 29, 2013, 05:43:09 PMI'll post this in case Liggy has a defense:

This is a PM I got from Liggy after my claim.  I kept quiet about it since there wasn't much I could do about him being a Loner Night 1 and figured he'd be less likely to act against the humans, but I talked to bird about it.  The win conditions are super specific in my role PM and in the first post of the game that in order to win we need to kill all non-humans.  A loner is a non-human.

Liggy also may have a killing power since a wolf died Night 1!

Hold It....
Before we do anything, i was most recently involved in a game, as a 3rd party, and was lynched for the exact same reason of it being against the win conditions of humans. (Granted my goal was to be lynched, but thats not the point). In some ways, i believe liggys claim, in his win condition being non overriding. There is no reason to lynch him yet, other than that it "goes against our win condition."  I feel that it won't matter if we keep him alive (for now). If there is no better lynch than so be it.

We know that two people died last night, one of which was a wolf.  It's possible there's a vigi, but I think it's also likely that there is a third party killer.  We know he needs to die at some point.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on August 29, 2013, 06:14:12 PMWe know that two people died last night, one of which was a wolf.  It's possible there's a vigi, but I think it's also likely that there is a third party killer.  We know he needs to die at some point.

Maybe he wants to die???

Also, besides the semi-legitimate and honestly predictable reason of getting lynched for being a loner (despite, y'know, me not being overriding), I fail to see why I was being targeted for calling Verm out earlier.  It was a legitimate reason, and it was the only time this phase ANYONE has actually called anyone out on something, but it netted me three votes.  In about an hour.  Yeah.

Some other points:

Where did that suspicion go, Verm?  Why am I sufficiently suspicious enough to be lynched without Sauce approval, but your other suspicion wasn't?
Why did you wait until two other people voted for me to actually vote for me yourself?
If I have a killing power, and I killed a wolf, why exactly is that grounds to lynch me?  I don't have a killing power, and I'm non-overriding, but if you assume I was then I just killed a wolf, wouldn't that be grounds to keep me alive?  After all, I'm helping us all?

Alternatively, I can assume that I was your original suspicion, which is definitely something you should have brought up when I first called you out on it.

Wow. Someone's getting desperate.

Go eat your red onions. You're just talking in circles and I really would like some proof that you wouldn't use your killing power (which you obviously have) on one of the humans.

Yeah, I'm going to say no.  I can't give proof that I don't have the power to Vigi, and it's not like I can prove that I wouldn't use it even if I did have it.  So instead, I'd have to argue this myself.

I could argue that you guys are shifting the burden of proof; you're the ones making the claim that I'm anti-human, yet none of you have made a sufficient argument against the fact that I would be working against the humans.  I've proved all my claims, with the exception of the specifics of my role, which I very well can't prove.

I could argue that three people placed a vote on me within a hour, despite that none had posted any argument against me besides the third.  Who, by the way, admitted that he originally didn't want to lynch me for that reason, but never really said what changed his mind so dramatically and so quickly.

I could argue that being a Loner isn't enough to lynch me, because the phrase "non-human" is not nearly as specific as you think.  I count for the human win condition, I win if humans do and if I'm alive.  My role PM was very clear as well, and my victory did not prevent any other team from winning.

I could argue that I've already been more productive than most humans, calling out a player for doing an action that I felt to be suspicious, and then defending my points when called out on it myself.

All of these points are valid, and they're all reasons to think twice before lynching me.  But I really can't argue them, because no one actually responds to my argument.  Instead, I'm evidently portraying myself as both desperate and red onion-deficient.  Somehow.

I'm kinda on the fence for the Liggy lynch.

Quote from: Liggy on August 29, 2013, 04:30:20 PMVerm is being a bit too passive.  He asks Bird who we should vote for, and then when other people start voting, he follows suit.  He also said he had an idea of who Bird might think is a wolf, but instead of acting on it, he safeties instead.  This really isn't productive behavior, and it's really invoking a feeling that he doesn't want to call out anyone he doesn't "have" to, which is much more of a behavior of a wolf than a human.  A human would want to call out everyone they find suspicious.  A wolf would be more hesitant in the hopes that they can just bandwagon some other vote.

I do think this was a weak argument, but it didn't make me want to vote him. But within a half hour, two people did! But what really struck me was when verm voted for him, since I still didn't see much of a reason for there to be that many votes on him.

Anyway, so what if Liggy has a night kill? Last night no humans died, so theres no harm yet. If he does end up killing a human then I understand going after him, but so far I don't see him as a threat. If humans start to die, then we know exactly who to lynch! Non-overriding third parties usually side with one of the two teams, so wouldnt it be better to have him on our side instead of killing him?

I'm not adding in any reasons why we should lynch him since you guys seem to already have that figured out

ninja'd

Yeah, I never considered lynching anyone other than Liggy this phase.  I didn't want to say anything before because I assumed bird was going to say something.  I didn't want to reveal that before because bird's the alliance leader, not me.  He knows more of the claims than I do.  But he's not here right now and we need a lynch.

I think if, in the win condition, Toby meant wolves he'd just say wolves.  "Non-human" is definitely not the most common way to say "wolves", especially in a game with a loner where that's potentially confusing.

I think that if you are a fool (which I think is possible) bird would just have our vigi nightkill you and be done with it.  If we don't have a vigi, then you probably aren't a fool!

I don't think you all are realizing you're playing the wrong game. This is the same reason most of you played so badly during the Mephistopheles game.

Verm strikes me as the kind of player who would take advantage of the mystery of this game and would make a bold claim at the beginning. If he waited, then that would lead to doubt of his claim, which wouldn't work. He's taking such a passive role after making a strong claim like that? No, he's not one to typically sheep, so he's clearly acting in his own interests.

If you have such a strong conviction, why wait for Bird, who's clearly absent, to make your opinion known? You've never waited like that before, you always push your suspicions. You would've acted and then Bird would've just corrected you and you would've stepped back in line, like you normally do in similar circumstances.

No. You are acting rather subversive, trying to steer the game even though you claim to be deferring to the alliance leader. This I don't like.

In terms of people iI'd normally rely on to make a necessary post, bird's normally up there.  Revealing to the wolves that bird trusted me enough to let me know early who the lynch of the day was wasn't something that was high on my list on the off chance they do have a strongman power.  But with things getting as late in the phase as they got, I don't think I had a choice.

Quote from: Liggy on August 29, 2013, 08:02:35 PMYeah, I'm going to say no.  I can't give proof that I don't have the power to Vigi, and it's not like I can prove that I wouldn't use it even if I did have it.  So instead, I'd have to argue this myself.

I could argue that you guys are shifting the burden of proof; you're the ones making the claim that I'm anti-human, yet none of you have made a sufficient argument against the fact that I would be working against the humans.  I've proved all my claims, with the exception of the specifics of my role, which I very well can't prove.

I could argue that three people placed a vote on me within a hour, despite that none had posted any argument against me besides the third.  Who, by the way, admitted that he originally didn't want to lynch me for that reason, but never really said what changed his mind so dramatically and so quickly.

I could argue that being a Loner isn't enough to lynch me, because the phrase "non-human" is not nearly as specific as you think.  I count for the human win condition, I win if humans do and if I'm alive.  My role PM was very clear as well, and my victory did not prevent any other team from winning.

I could argue that I've already been more productive than most humans, calling out a player for doing an action that I felt to be suspicious, and then defending my points when called out on it myself.

All of these points are valid, and they're all reasons to think twice before lynching me.  But I really can't argue them, because no one actually responds to my argument.  Instead, I'm evidently portraying myself as both desperate and red onion-deficient.  Somehow.

I guess the secret's out; Liggy was my back-up option. I didn't want to just come out and say "we're lynching Liggy" since I thought it would be nice if other players put some effort into finding the actual wolves, rather than falling back on an alliance lynch pick! I knew in the back of my mind that a Liggy lynch was probably inevitable, but was hoping this phase wouldn't be a total waste because of it!

Anyway, Liggy, there are a couple of problems with your defense. The most important being that you can't possibly count for the human win condition when the human win condition says specifically that all non-humans must be eliminated. Loners have always represented non-human teams, regardless of whether they count for us, meaning that killing you is a part of your win condition. Your very existence prevents us from winning. So we have to lynch you! Sorry!

Maestro: I think your misgivings about verm are well-placed, but I don't know if now would be the best time for us to lynch him, especially when an obvious non-human is just asking for the axe!

verm: Yeah, I forgot to plug my laptop back in. Sue me!!!!

Killing you is part of OUR win condition*

bah

Go ahead, then, I have no real reservations against a Liggy lynch. I for one show no support for Verm at this point.

The sad thing about today, is that there has been no sdiscussion whatsoever, and liggys going to be lynched cause there is no alternative, no use scum hunting if no ones making an effort.

As much as I don't want liggy dead at this time, we have no choice.

Actually, I think I may have made a mistake. If in the chance that there is a non-overriding loner, I see him more of a ghost wanting to find himself put somewhere. If he can, he'll be a human or maybe even a wolf. If the non overriding loner wished could win with a certain party at a given moment in time, then they will become part of that team.

Which means, if there is a non-overriding loner, he shall not have to be destroyed in order for human victory.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on August 29, 2013, 08:30:01 PMI think if, in the win condition, Toby meant wolves he'd just say wolves.  "Non-human" is definitely not the most common way to say "wolves", especially in a game with a loner where that's potentially confusing.

Im gonna lay my 10 cents down, and say that there has been time where hosts have said hints of possible 3rd party scum,  and there hasnt been any 3rd party scum

Toby, that would have been so much more helpful earlier.

Can we please let me live for now, so I actually have the chance to prove that I'm pro-human?

I'd prefer not to lynch Liggy at this point.

Liggy claiming loner to me doesn't make sense if he's actually a loner who doesn't win with the humans.  The first post says that human win conditions need all non-humans dead.

Toby's recent post doesn't make sense if there are no loners because he's set up a framework where loners should be considered necessary to kill in all circumstances.  The only way it's justified in my opinion is if there is a third party whom we don't have to kill in order to win.

I'd rather lynch someone like Mr. Tanooki Suit because I'm not sure he's ever posted or ever will post and we don't have anything better.

The screams of laughter are coming closer

4 hours left in phase

Guys, stop making progress in ideas while I'm unavailable. So rude of you. From what I've seen at this point, we don't have any good target at all. Liggy, if his claim is to be believed, doesn't need to be killed for us to win. Personally, I'm inclined to trust his claim. But that leaves us without a lynch target for tonight. Rather than going for inactive players, I think we should direct our attention towards Vermillion Vermin. I see no possible way he could be what he claimed to be, because he's too smart not to consider that the wolves probably have a countering ability. Despite his claims that this isn't his play style, from my experience this is exactly what he does. He's got something up his sleeve, and I say he should speak now, or forever hold his peace. (Aka he's dead)

Uhh... okay then.

Requesting a phase extension in light of this news.

Mr. Tanooki Suit.

He popped into the chat asking what had happened. I gave him a really thorough summary of the game's events, and he still didn't post. Perhaps he's a wolf worried of saying something he shouldn't, since mystery game's are so delicate?

Because the phase is probably almost over and I'm pretty apathetic, I'm going to toss a vote over towards SlowPokemon. He said some strange things without explaining them when asked, and then attacked Liggy for attacking Verm. Normally, I'd've gone for Liggy, but I'd rather have a chance to kill a wolf than surely kill a loner. Verm is a good player who is probably lying, but I don't think he deserves to die (yet, at least).
I've not heard a word from Tanooki, so I can't really judge him as any worse than Slow.

Safety on Dude because tired and I don't wanna think atm D:

Wait, did i even log in yesterday? :o

Right now I have the most votes.  By my count, there's three against me, two against Tanooki, and two against Liggy.

If you disagree with me being lynched, you should be voting for someone else.  I recommend Tanooki between those two.  I have reportedly been seered blue and the most damning thing against me is that in my first week of school I'm being less active than I normally am.

Okay, um.... I'm actually going to switch my vote to a Tanooki vote. Through chat and the like I don't think it'd be a good idea to take care of Verm quite yet, and an inactive is the next best option for me right now.

I still haven't received claims from the following players:

davy
SlowPokemon
MaestroUGC
Dude
TheZeldaPianist275
Mr. Tanooki Suit

If any of you have special roles, please let me know. Don't let us waste a seer or something on you if you could just tell us what you are!

I think I'm gonna agree with contranegative and vote for slow. I was actually thinking of voting for him earlier, but everyone seemed so set on liggy I didn't think it would matter. He's been fairly active, but nothing he's posted was anything but a joke. Normally I wouldn't care, but he voted for liggy which is actually acting, though he didn't provide an actual reason.

I think he might like red onions come on he's clearly evil

Sorry for inactivity guys, first school week was a lot more busy than I thought.

I don't think I'll be able to be much active later in the game, so I will drop out.

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)


Vote Count:

Davy
Bird - Mr. Tanooki Suit
Bubbles - Slowpokemon
Mariolegofan
SlowPokemon - Liggy
MaestroUGC - Vermilionvermin
Dude - Dude
Liggy - Vermilionvermin
Fank009 - Vermilionvermin Maestro
TheZeldaPianist275
K-NiGhT - Slowpokemon Liggy
FireArrow
Mr. Tanooki Suit
Contranegative - Slowpokemon
Mr. E - Vermilionvermin Mr. Tanooki Suit
Vermilionvermin - Davy Liggy Mr. Tanooki Suit

Mr. Tanooki Suit - 3
Slowpokemon - 2
Liggy - 2
Vermilionvermin - 2
Dude - 1

___________________________________________________


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5.
02. Davy REPLACED BY THIANNON
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf.
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

As the cries of laughter were nearing the players started getting twitchy, started worrying. Started to panic. The big mouths looked towards the silent ones. The ones who weren't bothered by the cries. Players 3, 17 and 18 stood up and darted to attack player 15.  Player 17 grabbed the head and players 18 and 3 grabbed the legs. Together they pulled, harder and harder. Players 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 16 were completely oblivious to what was going off and before they could do something to stop the situation Mr. Tanooki Suit was torn apart.

The camp set up a fire and used his body for food, carefully removing the toe and fingernails beforehand.

Mr. Tankooki Suit has been lynched

The sun is down, the stars are up, it is now Night 2, Night 2 will end Sunday 8pm GMT+1.

Story to come? Or no story?

Be patient young one, my toes are still yet to tickle with the excitement of a story line.

Did I get the head or one of the legs?

I think I like this guy

Quote from: davy on August 30, 2013, 12:38:50 PMSorry for inactivity guys, first school week was a lot more busy than I thought.

Same story here.  Sorry for inactivity.  I'll try to collect my thoughts tomorrow.

That was an eventful day :/ Lots of information learned, Lots of accusations flown, everybody contributing, just great.

I'm so sorry for being inactive! I came down with a pretty bad virus, I literally slept all day yesterday. Anyways, I'm feeling a bit better now so I'll see if I can catch myself back up.

Ok, so, just my thoughts of the moment:

Slow - Red onions? Really? I'm actually inclined to believe your human because that seems a bit of a bold thing for a wolf to do.
Verm - His behavior is just off the wall, which probably makes him human (he's a good player, do you think he'd slip up that much as a wolf?)
Liggy - We have no reasons to doubt his claims and our time is much better spent scumhunting.
k-night - I'm pretty certain he's human, thought I'd prefer not to explain why.

Quote from: Liggy on August 26, 2013, 02:58:20 PMI'm a normal human.

Quote from: liggyI trust you enough to understand that killing me would be a stupid idea!

I claimed human to Fawful and was really adamant about it, for various reasons.  It's important for me to keep the downlow, you see.

I'm a Loner.  But don't worry, it's not overriding!  It's brown, which I guess is probably significant, because I have some neat box based powers.  I'd rather NOT disclose them all right now, because if there's anything I learned from GoT it's that NSM has a lonerphobia.

WHY DIDNT I MAKE THE CONNECTION BEFORE??? :/ So stupid fank :/ (maybe cause there was no discussion what so ever???)

Twigs can be heard snapping around camp. Cries of laughter are near. Figures can be spotted in the distance

3 hours left in phase

All right, I'm here and reporting for duty. I am, however, still waiting for my role PM!

Oh fart.

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)

___________________________________________________


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5.
02. Davy REPLACED BY THIANNON
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf.
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

A figure came out of nowhere and grabbed player 8 by the head. It dragged him through the bushes despite Player 10's attempt to save him. Screams of terror came from the bush and the camp left their belongings and ran for it. The screams of laughter they had ignored were coming towards them. Coming for them. Coming to kill them. Player 8's right foot was thrown at Player 10. The very foot player 10 grabbed to try save player 8 was thrown at him.

The shadow figures were nearing and one grabbed player 3. Player 3 struggled, screamed, and fought for survival. The Shadow figure drew a cross on his forehead and disappeared. 4 Shadow figures remained.

Maestro has been killed

Maestro was a petty normal human. May the world be glad someone so pathetic was banished for the Earth.

Rise and shine everyone, it's morning and you're being chased by a pack of shadow figures who appear to be drawing crosses on people's foreheads but is that all they'll do? It is now Day 2. Day 2 ends Tuesday 8pm GMT+1

that filler text, maestro being green, and 1 death??? (and 4 scum alive???)

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on September 01, 2013, 12:19:18 PMThe shadow figures were nearing and one grabbed player 3. Player 3 struggled, screamed, and fought for survival. The Shadow figure drew a cross on his forehead and disappeared. 4 Shadow figures remained.

I guess this means bird was attacked but guarded?

Fank, I find it really odd that you voted verm. Mainly because:

Quote from: FireArrow on August 30, 2013, 10:12:16 PMVerm - His behavior is just off the wall, which probably makes him human (he's a good player, do you think he'd slip up that much as a wolf?)

I learned that from you. Golden fank rule, the people the look wolfish aren't the wolves. Whether it's true or not, verm fits the position of a person not bothering to look "unsuspicious", and out of all the people, I'd expect you to pick up on it.

Also, I'll take back my claim the slow is probably human, I don't know his play style or personality that well, so I'm in no position to say he wouldn't act that way as a wolf.

Quote from: FireArrow on September 01, 2013, 01:08:50 PMFank, I find it really odd that you voted verm. Mainly because:

I learned that from you. Golden fank rule, the people the look wolfish aren't the wolves. Whether it's true or not, verm fits the position of a person not bothering to look "unsuspicious", and out of all the people, I'd expect you to pick up on it.

Quote from: fank009 on August 26, 2013, 10:27:12 PMI dont think verms lying, but its stupid to come out early. usually the counter measure for verms immunity is to have a strongarm shot that bipasses it. I'll be going for verm if he doesnt die this phase

I always keep a promise FA, always. At this time I have no suspicions on verm.

Something was mentioned about verm seering blue..

Quote from: Bubbles on September 01, 2013, 12:32:23 PMI guess this means bird was attacked but guarded?

The question is, how much is the flavour text going to tell us???

SlowPokemon is green.

Btw i'm the seer

It's still likely there's a Master Wolf.  After all, BDS was brown.  I don't think this really abdicates SlowPokemon, nor do I think you really should have claimed in public.

One of the shadow figures grabbed player 10. He struggled, kicked, screamed. Player 17 came to the rescue, yanked player 10 from the clutches of the figure, but not before they could draw a cross on player 10's forehead.

3 Shadow figures remain.

Since tht was posted outside of the normal phase ending post, the crosses probably mean something important than i thought. So when someone gets a cross the number of shadow figures drops. Ugh I'm trying to figure this out but I'm drawing a blank.

Liggy, did anything happen via pm to you?

Ｔｏｂｙ　ｔｏｌｄ　ｍｅ　ｖｉａ　ＩＭ　ｔｈａｔ　Ｉ　ｗａｓ　ｃｒｏｓｓｅｄ．

Ｉｔ'ｓ　ａｃｔｕａｌｌｙ　ｐｒｅｔｔｙ　ｆｕｎ　ｔｏ　ｔｙｐｅ　ｌｉｋｅ　ｔｈｉｓ．

This somewhat reminds me of SotC.

Liggy, did you receive any information on what that means? Did Toby make a mistake when he said that I was crossed? Would Toby tell me if I was successfully guarded?

So many questions!

Anyway, it's about that time in the TWG where I badger everyone for suspicion lists. If everybody could privately send me a list of all the players, ordered from most suspicious to least suspicious, that would be incredible. Then we can post them, discuss them, and find out who to lynch.

Least suspicious: toby
Most suspicious, people not posting,  (oh wait)
There's my suspicious list.

(And bird, do you really need to be spoom fed, I love speculating)

Im gonna assume we have a converter, comverting scum to human. (Seeing how we went from 4 scum to 3 scum...)

OH, WHAT THE F-...

I'm assuming by scum you mean wolves, but I dont think thats what the "shadow figures" are. I dont see the point of wolves attacking someone just to convert them while the wolf loses its wolfiness. I think its either a whole other party of people (it is a big game after all) or not players at all, just a random force that crosses someone, and the "3 shadow figures remain" means that three more people will get a cross

Maybe it's just people getting possessed by their spirits to go find their boxes.

We are prolly forgetting fhe fact, that liggy claimed loner.
Also, "who drew the cross" that is the big question.
And are they friendly?

Quote from: fank009 on September 01, 2013, 11:58:23 PMAlso, "who drew the cross" that is the big question.

Quote from: Bubbles on September 01, 2013, 08:26:55 PMI think its either a whole other party of people (it is a big game after all) or not players at all, just a random force that crosses someone, and the "3 shadow figures remain" means that three more people will get a cross

Quote from: Bubbles on September 01, 2013, 08:26:55 PMI think its either a whole other party of people (it is a big game after all) or not players at all, just a random force that crosses someone, and the "3 shadow figures remain" means that three more people will get a cross

-maybe... but what "repercussions" does that have... (again, remember liggy's alignment)
-Possibly, But a lack of a cross on night one???
-doubt it. Strong evidence in liggys "alignment" and Boy's flavour text. (beginning of the day and the edit.)

Lean List (dead people in brackets)
Friends
Bird- Mason
K-night- Seer
Verm- Seered blue/Wolfsbane
Slow- Seered Green
mariolegofan- Mason
Liggy- Loner- Something happened during the night...
(maestro)- Dat greener

Neutral
Mr. E, good heat on verm early on. A bit of discussion, but pretty much
Bubbles- I dont know, in some ways' she's telling more than she should know, in some ways, but in other ways she's seeming completely clueless (like a human should be...), leaning more human for now...
FA, Some heat on me (I like that) and a lean posts, not much, (considering chat is dead :/)
(mashi)- I dont know what to think of box keepers yet...
(Mr Tanooki suit)- Nothing, nada, Zippo... Please note, all the votes were in my Friends/Neutral list

Enemies
People not posting :/
(BDS)-dat poopy coloured wolf, must have came out with everything else at birth xD

Everyone else doesnt have a big enough lean at this time...

As the shadow figures hunted down the players player 12 tripped over a branch, "Go on without me" he said. As the shadow figures neared player 12, player 16 darted for him. "Get up you fool" he said, "that crap only happens in the movies". Player 12 and 16 managed to get up and running again just in time. Or so they thought. As they caught up with the rest of the players, player 13 turned around and caught a glimpse of player 12, "Dammit player 12...  your forehead!"

2 Shadow figures remain.

TheZeldaPianist, I suppose?

I haven't really been given a lot to work with this phase. Nobody is sharing any insight they may have into the shadow killings or the double death on Night 1. There are players I still haven't even received claims from. And nobody submitted a suspicion list.

So yeah. My reasoning for the TZP vote is that he's usually kind of active and now he's not.

From what I've seen, it's typical for TZP to go inactive because of life.

Also, sorry for still not being that active, my teachers seem to like giving more homework over the weekends. >_>

meh since i don't really have much to go on i'm gonna go for TZP.

Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on August 30, 2013, 07:17:44 PMSame story here.  Sorry for inactivity.  I'll try to collect my thoughts tomorrow.

If we're going to lynch someone for being inactive, I'd choose someone other than tzp. At least he stopped in to tell us he's inactive

hmm, another cross eh??? so its something during the day phase? and are the threats really neutralized???

I'm sorry guys. I really have no good excuse for being inactive this time around. orz

K-Night's obvious bandwagon is kinda throwing a red flag for me though, but for now I'll just safety on Contranegative

hmmmm... maybe the crosses mean something????
The mix up- 4 "shadows" left
Liggy- 3 "shadows" left
TZP- 2 "shadows" left...
Maybe, just maybe, I could have been reading everything the whole way...
Firearrow Just for a giggle, and to test a theory....

in the chat for 15 mins if anyone's interested

Quote from: fank009 on September 02, 2013, 09:16:01 PMhmmmm... maybe the crosses mean something????
The mix up- 4 "shadows" left
Liggy- 3 "shadows" left
TZP- 2 "shadows" left...
Maybe, just maybe, I could have been reading everything the whole way...
Firearrow Just for a giggle, and to test a theory....

I see what your doing, I'm a bit unsure as to why I'm more significant than verm or contra though.

Quote from: FireArrow on September 02, 2013, 09:40:57 PMI see what your doing, I'm a bit unsure as to why I'm more significant than verm or contra though.

1st off, ver seer'd blue.
2nd,  yes, it's weak, I admit, both you AND bubbles had a soft defence on tzp, remember, liggy was crossed, and claimed loner. As I hinted in my previous post, there's a chance tzp is scum/wolf. Althou I could be reading this all the wrong way. With these "shadowy figures"
Everyone else is fair game I guess :/

Player 14 was getting tired. He tried to separate a little from the camp and hide. He found a decent sized bush and jumped in it. He though he was safe but out of nowhere, "BOO". A cross was drawn on his forehead and the shadow figure disappeared.

1 Shadow figure remains.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on September 03, 2013, 08:11:26 AMPlayer 4 was getting tired. He tried to separate a little from the camp and hide. He found a decent sized bush and jumped in it. He though he was safe but out of nowhere, "BOO". A cross was drawn on his forehead and the shadow figure disappeared.

1 Shadow figure remains.

isn't that bds though =/

I said 14 if I recall.

Who said it matched with the player list though?

Huh. I don't know what I make of everything right now. Sorry for semi-inactivity recently, been caught up in other things. Savvy, I hope to send you that list sometime today. For now, the only person I'm getting a suspicious vibe is fank. This is mainly because he's been active and other people haven't and I've talked to him. As loathe as I am to vote for him, that's all I have right now.

When player 17 thought it was all over he stopped to take a breath. He looked around him but couldn't see anymore shadow figures. It was all over, they could rest. "Hey, guys! There's none left" he shouted to the others. "No... there are! Oh damn, look out player 17!" shouted player 2. A shadow figure came up behind player 17 and drew a cross on his forehead. The figure let out an awful scream and vanished.

0 Shadow figures remain.

Interesting...

The players are starting to get cold

Phase ends in 20mins.

TZP for now, I had a theory, buy one person threw itall out the window (toby xD), of course I have a new theory, but Nothing can be "conifrmed" without at least 1 death.

In the chat now.

Going to extend the phase to 10pm GMT+1 (in just over 2 hours)

Here are the 'crossed' players.

Player 3 - Bird
Player 10 - Liggy
Player 12 - The Zelda Pianist
Player 14 - FireArrow
Player 17 - Mr. E

I don't really know what to gather from this information. If anybody has ideas about what these crosses might do, now would be the time to come forward. Or if somebody has a cure ability, they would be wise to use it. Even if they're a wolf with that ability.

Other than that, I don't really see much pattern or reason to why these particular players got crosses drawn on them. Hopefully we don't all die today!

So we know that the "shadow figures" cause crosses to appear on people's heads, and that they appear to act during the phase. This reminds me of boxes, which also work during the phase. What I'm curious about it why they only popped up this phase. I don't think TZP is all too special because he was crossed- this means that he was probably not one of the crossers. I'm going to vote for K-NiGHT, if this vote can actually change anything. I don't see why the seer would choose to come out to the thread instead of just using a trusted human as proxy.

If you can, get in the chat nao

Im curious to see what happens if we lynch a crossed player, so I'll go for TZP

Something I noticed about the crosses was the number of times people were attacked

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on September 01, 2013, 12:19:18 PM01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5.

Mashi apparently was Box Keeper number 5, which I'm assuming means there's at least four other keepers. There was also five shadow figures that attacked. Is that just a coincidence or could the shadow figures be something the box keepers are doing/controlling?

I still don't trust SlowPokemon, and we have no idea what a green seering actually means in this game.  Toby said wolves were red, but BDS was brown?

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)


Vote Count:

Thiannon
Bird  - TheZeldaPianist
Bubbles - TheZeldaPianist
Mariolegofan
SlowPokemon -
Dude - Contranegative
Liggy - Slowpokemon
Fank009 – FireArrow, TheZeldaPianist
TheZeldaPianist275
K-NiGhT - TheZeldaPianist
FireArrow
Contranegative – K-Night
Mr. E - Fank
Vermilionvermin –

TheZeldaPianist – 4
K-Night – 1
Fank – 1
Contranegative – 1
Slowpokemon - 1

___________________________________________________


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Davy REPLACED BY THIANNON
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

The day was full of drama. A lot of running around, screaming. Shadow figures appeared and marked players 3, 10, 12, 14 and 17. No one has figured out what these markings mean though. They thought they'd beat up player 12 cause he was one of the marked ones. Player 3 grabbed the left foot. Player 10 grabbed the right hand. Player 17 grabbed the right foot. Player 14 grabbed the left hand. They yanked together 1, 2, 3 and pulled. Player 12 screamed in pain.

They set up a fire and started to cook the fingers and toes of player 12. Together the players ate their nibbles.

TheZeldaPianist275 has been lynched

Sleep tight everyone. It is now Night 3. Night 3 ends Thursday 8pm GMT+1

Maestro Is Alive? Also, No More CarDflips?

Dumb Capitalization Courtesy Of My Phone.

Quote from: Bird on September 03, 2013, 02:07:16 PMMaestro Is Alive? Also, No More CarDflips?

Dumb Capitalization Courtesy Of My Phone.

I dont think the lynched get flipped...

Necessary changes have been made.

XD I was literally coming over here to finally contribute, and whoop-de-doo I got myself lynched.  Sorry for not participating in your game more, TBWCW.  :( I feel quite bad.  Oh well.  Have a great rest of the game guys. 

hey youre dead, mister

Darn, I just remembered this now. Well, I was going to vote for fank, who came out too strongly against verm for my liking. Take that as you will.

I'm contemplating just revealing all the claims, since there's not really any way I can verify them. If they're wolves, I don't want secrets I'm keeping to prevent them from being rightfully lynched.

Its somewhat of an idea bird, But I would wait till AFTER the night is done.

Pokes

Waitin' for the new day, fank.

Sadly, I'm going to have to extend the phase till tomorrow night 8pm GMT+1.

You may still send in your actions if you have not already done so.

? ? ?

There is no new phase. The game will just keep going, perpetually on this one phase.

worst host

still better than that time SuperFireKirby left for a month in the middle of hosting TWG

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)

___________________________________________________


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5.
02. Davy REPLACED BY THIANNON
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf.
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

Camp was silent, starting to get a little cold. Screams of laughter appeared out of nowhere and grabbed players 3, 6, 10, 11, 14 and 17. The shadow figures disappeared again. The players were confused. Where did they go? Where did there camp mates disappear to?

Later that night the shadow figures reappeared, dropped two bags and with a piercing scream, left again. The players rushed to the bags, opened them and looked at their findings. It was the heads of players 6 and 11...

Bird, Liggy, FireArrow and Mr.E have mysteriously disappeared. No one may talk to them through PM, chat or thread. The 4 players aren't allowed to talk to anyone through PM, chat or thread. The 4 players also cannot vote. They have been temporarily removed from the game.

Fank and Mariolegofan have met their end.

Fank thought he was tough, thought he could save lives, he was a Guardian.
Mariolegofan was born with a brother at birth, he was a Mason.

Wake up sleepy heads, the shadow figures are back, but not for long! They've taken some of your camp mates away, but where have they gone? It is now Day 3. Day 3 ends Sunday 8pm GMT+1.

Contranegative is red

................... You see those tears, yeah those arent mine

I'll probably vote for Contranegative unless he feels like posting a defense soon, but for now I'll safety on Bubbles.

I voted for K-NiGHT the other day because I thought he was a wolf. Now I'm voting for him because I'm certain he is. I am a Box Keeper, and those are brown. I verified my identity by sending a box to another player (multiple times). You, K-NiGHT, have not done a thing to prove your identity, besides saying "btw I'm seer".

While that's all well and good for a defense, you also can't rule out the possibility of there being a painter somewhere in the game, since most of the roles are random.

Either way, Wolf or Box Keeper, you are not human and therefore must be lynched in order for us humans to win.

I thought a box keeper was just a type of human though? It sounds like it in Boy's first post

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on August 26, 2013, 12:49:16 PM

"You are a Box Keeper. When the clock strikes [whatever time you have been told] your body will be taken over by a spirit. This spirit will guide you to your designated tree; the spirit will leave your body once the Little Red Box has reached your hands. Inside the box is a square of paper with the number 1 on it. You cannot open your own box, but you can open someone else's.

You may leave the forest when all the non-humans have been destroyed."

A Seer isn't called a Human and neither is a Box Keeper but they both win with the Humans.

That is if the existance of a Seer is true, I can't even remember what you damn players are capable of.

Oh. My mistake then.

Perhaps then there is a painter among us, if contra is telling the truth. I'll keep an eye out to see if anyone else is suspicious but for now i'll unvote

Looks like I was wrong about fank. Sorry, fank!

Anyway, we'll need to hear from the player Contranegative sent his box to for confirmation, of course, before we proceed.

The only problem though is that it could be one of the players that we can't contact this phase.

Also what do you mean by that, Thiannon?

Good point. Well, Contranegative can at least give us some details.

Re: fank, I thought he seemed wolfy. He was the Guardian. Whoops.

The player I confirmed with has been temporarily removed from the game. Bird can back me up once he re-enters the game.

Before I murder you all now you guys better make a lynch decision.

Phase ends in 16mins. I'm willing to extend it to 9pm GMT+1 which would give you an extra hour.

Bah.

I'll just keep my vote on Bubbles because I really have no leads like at all.

I'm guessing the phase was extended then?

I'm tied between K-night and contranegative, since both seem pretty sketchy. K-night claims to be the seer, literally by "btw I'm the seer". That was a while ago, and he hasn't been killed by the wolves yet. Contra on the other hand has been thinking differently from the other players in this game, which is better than bandwagoning/being inactive. Plus, I doubt he would use bird as an alibi unless it was true. Ill have to vote k-night then, since false claiming seer is something I could really see him doing as a wolf

SlowPokemon apparently didn't claim to bird as of the last update I saw from bird.  The same is true of Dude and Davy/Thiannon though I don't know if any of them later claimed.

Was going to vote for him but then I got ninja'd by Bubbles.

Actually after rereading I'll go with K-Night.  I doubt Contranegative got painted and I'll look for confirmation from the player who got boxes.

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)

Vote Count:

Thiannon -
Bubbles – K-Night
SlowPokemon -
Dude - Bubbles
K-NiGhT - Contranegative
Contranegative – K-Night
Vermilionvermin –  Bubbles K-Night

K-Night – 3
Bubbles - 1
___________________________________________________


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

The day was confusing. 4 players had disappeared, but why? The forest was a puzzle and no one could figure it out.
"I think I know what happened" said player 13.
"You seem to know a lot about this forest don't you?" said player 18.
"I was starting to think the same actually..." player 2 muttered.
"What?... You don't think - "
Before player 13 could finish his sentence, player 16 jumped down from a tree directly above player 13 and drove a sharpened stick through his skull. "Well, I guess that settles it" player 16 spoke proudly.
"You dimwit!" shouted player 18. "He was dinner!"
"Oh... damn" replied player 16.

"Guys!... GUYS!" called player 3.

Bird, FireArrow, Mr.E and Liggy have returned to the game.

K-Night has been lynched

Good night players. It is now Night 4. Night 4 ends Tuesday 8pm GMT+1.

Don't let the bed bugs bite...

how am i not dead yet

Why the fuck did we just lynch our seer rather than a person who was seered red?

Quote from: Bird on September 08, 2013, 03:45:05 PMWhy the fuck did we just lynch our seer rather than a person who was seered red?

Here's everything the alliance knows about the game.

01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon - Claimed Normal Human
03. Bird - Confirmed Mason
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles - Claimed Normal Human
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon - Never Claimed
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude - Never Claimed
10. Liggy - Claimed Loner with 3 boxes
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT - Seer
14. FireArrow - Box Keeper
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative - Box Keeper
17. Mr. E - Box Keeper
18. Vermilionvermin - Claimed to be able to survive one wolfing plus had a bodyguard power.

Or to just look at a list with the surviving players' claims...

Spoiler

Bird - Mason
vermilionvermin - Blue who can survive one lynching and has a bodyguard power
FireArrow - Box Keeper
Contranegative - Box Keeper
Mr. E - Box Keeper
Thiannon - Normal Human
Bubbles - Normal Human
SlowPokemon -
Dude -
Liggy - Loner with 3 Boxes

[close]

SlowPokemon and Dude, it would be wise to post your roles in the thread. It's essential for us to know who is what if we are going to win this.

I think the death of fank, our guardian, makes it incredibly clear that the alliance has indeed been infiltrated. He was a suspicious player that nobody really trusted, so him being wolfed out of the blue wouldn't make a lot of sense. And if the wolves have an inside man, the obvious perpetrator is verm. The evidence against him is hard to dismiss:

 - Has a "survives one kill" power, which is a power wolves have had in the past.
 - I was never attacked since verm said he was using his bodyguard power on me, which nobody knew about on night 1. Fank, a confirmed human, expressed his surprise when I lived through the night.
 - Insisted on learning the names of the other box keepers and specials, despite admitting that it wouldn't be wise for that information to be shared.
 - Didn't lynch a red seer result, or even consider lynching the red seer result.
 - Allowed the seer to be lynched, when he was the only living player who could have stopped it.

Contranegative makes a great partner for him as well. Most importantly, he was found to be red by a player I have no doubt was the real seer. (I know he was the real seer because of the way he went about revealing himself... clumsily.) Toby mentioned on the first page that the wolves will tend to be red. With verm as the blue wolf and BDS as the brown one, it would make sense to me that the remaining two wolves would be red. And yes, I would wager that this game has a miller as well, but I doubt it has a miller box keeper, and I doubt further that Toby would allow the miller box keeper to be so blindsided by his color. After all, we've seen the box keeper PM and it's quite clear that box keepers are brown. So I'm thinking that contranegative must be a wolf as well.

And it makes a lot of sense as well, Contra and verm have both been going on and on about how these box keepers were "confirmed" when in reality, they aren't confirmed at all. Contra had this genius plan to swap boxes with someone else, proving that they're both human box keepers. But all it proves is that they both had boxes.

I would like to pool our boxes tonight to make a kill on a different player and then lynch verm in the following day phase. If anyone has any questions or comments about this plan, please post them here. For now, all box keepers or box owners should send their boxes to FireArrow.

Quote from: Bird on September 08, 2013, 04:09:20 PMWith verm as the blue wolf...

I'd also like to point out that if verm was a blue human, he would of NEVER lynched K-night as k-knight seered him blue. K-knight should of been a confirmed human verm's eyes.

I still don't think k-night was the seer, despite that looking suspicious for me. The last game I played I was a wolf with him, and the one before that too. In TWG LVI (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5744.0), he pm'd me suggesting this plan:

Quote from: K-NiGhT on July 23, 2013, 05:30:47 PMalso i have a plan, but it's kind of out there. i need you guys to approve of it to make sure it's safe.

i'm going to claim seer to verm, claiming that i seer'd him green last night. hopefully that will earn me some trust from him. i can "seer" some people, claim that at least one is red, and then go from there.

If you read the last sentence, that is exactly what happened this game, with contranegative being the red

Then in TWG LVI (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5792.0) (he was a wolf before the role switch) he tried to use another plan involving seers. He's done it twice in extremely recent times, so why wouldn't he have done it again?

is it against the rules to bring in pms if theyre from other games

Quote from: Bird on September 08, 2013, 04:09:20 PMSlowPokemon and Dude, it would be wise to post your roles in the thread. It's essential for us to know who is what if we are going to win this.

wat

I thought I PM'd you a while ago.

I'm a normal human.

I didn't think we should lynch Contranegative because Contranegative claimed to have proof of him being a box holder and Toby told us box keepers were brown (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5814.msg224064#msg224064).  That means it should have been impossible for him to have been seered red barring a painter.  I also think it's sketchy that K-Night's response to seering someone red who should have been brown was "well there might be a painter".  That sounds to me like someone who's on the defensive rather than someone who caught a wolf in a lie.  I also thought it was possible that the alliance had been infiltrated since fank died, and everyone but K-Night was confirmed at that point.

FireArrow, your logic about K-Night being a confirmed human in my eyes is flawed.  A blue verm seering was the easy way out for a wolf on Night one since I claimed to be special to the thread.  That's, of course, assuming he wasn't a wolf shaman or something.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 08, 2013, 05:15:16 PMI didn't think we should lynch Contranegative because Contranegative claimed to have proof of him being a box holder and Toby told us box keepers were brown (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5814.msg224064#msg224064).  That means it should have been impossible for him to have been seered red barring a painter.

We already saw a brown wolf, so I'm not sure what makes you so confident that all box keepers are a certain color.

QuoteI also think it's sketchy that K-Night's response to seering someone red who should have been brown was "well there might be a painter".  That sounds to me like someone who's on the defensive rather than someone who caught a wolf in a lie.

k-NiGhT doesn't strike me as the kind of person who has incredible confidence in his TWG opinions, and considering he was responding to a vote against him, being defensive makes perfect sense. Plus, it's a mystery game, so I can't really blame anyone for not being sure of themselves.

QuoteI also thought it was possible that the alliance had been infiltrated since fank died, and everyone but K-Night was confirmed at that point.

You didn't mention this during that entire day phase, nor did you even entertain the notion that contranegative may have been lying. You didn't even mention that the person that you were helping kill had claimed seer. The way the lynch was carried out was very underhanded and lazy, and it seems like just the thing the wolves would be trying for on the phase where four active players were suspended from the game. In other words, when you plan on lynching somebody who claimed to be the seer, I think the lynch deserved a lot more discussion, and received little to none.

I think it's very important that I elaborate on exactly why I'm so sure that k-NiGhT was the actual seer. It almost entirely comes down to how he revealed his first seer result. (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5814.msg224309#msg224309) He didn't want people to think he was blue, he just wanted people to know that verm was trustworthy, at least in his eyes. Why would a wolf do this? Going by his plan, it wouldn't make anyone think he was more trustworthy (in fact, it made him look suspicious), and it helped the humans form an alliance.

On top of that, this is not at all the kind of stuff that k-NiGhT pulls as a wolf. Really. It doesn't make sense for anyone to be doing that as a wolf. Even if he were a wolf shaman, saying that a seer claimed to him and said verm was blue? What if there was a seer in the game, they would know that they hadn't said anything to k-NiGhT and he could be lynched. People would wonder why some person randomly claimed to him. And to say that "he was trying to look like a seer who didn't know what they were doing" is a huge stretch, and way more manipulative than anything I've ever heard of.

verm, you continue to demonstrate loyalty fo contranegative for absolutely no reason. The only thin he's done to "confirm" his humanity, is trade boxes with somebody else. That does not make him a box keeper at all. We have evidence saying that players who are not box keepers can start with boxes! Liggy is a red loner who started with three boxes, a wolf starting with boxes as well is certainly not out of the question.

Okay, I feel a bit stupid for not stopping that lynch. The standard by which we hold our red seerings to shouldn't be "didn't immediately roll over and die". I'm with Bird on this one. I can't imagine why verm would trust Contranegative, who's done nothing but defend himself (a pretty obvious wolf "strategy") over an uncounterclaimed Seer. It's possible there's no human seer this game, but I find that highly unlikely. Aside from the box keepers, this seems like a pretty typical TWG setup (there are normal Humans, for crying out loud!), and it was balanced by freaking Manti (side note: this is pretty awesome).

In the interest of full disclosure, here's a PM verm sent to me and K-Night on Wednesday:

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 04, 2013, 01:55:44 PMI sent a PM to bird's supposed co-mason asking what his role was.  He didn't say mason and said he thought bird might be a wolf.   ???

I'm assuming this was some sort of attempt by verm to bait one of me or K-Night, since mariolegofan was subsequently confirmed.

Here's the full PM story if you want it:

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 03, 2013, 07:04:04 PMHey, what's your role?  Don't tell bird I asked you.  I'm worried he might be lying about his role.

Quote from: mariolegofan on September 04, 2013, 09:52:13 AMWhy, what are you? I am not sure what bird..why don't you ask him. I think he is a wolf......maybe  :-\

then I sent that one to Thiannon and K-Night.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 04, 2013, 01:58:03 PMActually, let me phrase that better.  I am a bodyguard who can survive the first time someone tries to kill him.  I am supposedly in the alliance centered around bird.  Somewhere in your role PM, The Boy Who Cried Wolf should have mentioned something about bird.  If so, what does it say?  I don't think you can quote your role PM legally, so just summarize anything it says about bird.

Quote from: mariolegofan on September 04, 2013, 02:04:57 PMok, are you on birds team? I cant give you any info until you tell me more....

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 04, 2013, 04:08:39 PMIf Bird is mentioned in your role PM, then I think I am on Bird's team.  If he's not then he isn't on your team or my team.

Quote from: mariolegofan on September 06, 2013, 06:08:34 AMMe and bird are brothers and masons

the truth comes out!

We're forgetting the numbered nature of the Box Keepers. There are probably 5 Box Keepers, as Mashi flipped as Box Keeper 5. Mr. E is Box Keeper 1, FireArrow is two or three, Mr. Tanooki Suit was most likely the other, and I'm Box Keeper 4. It's just silly for there to be a Box Keeper 5 without there being a Box Keeper 4, but no one has claimed against me.

How do you know what number you are?

Quote from: Contranegative on September 08, 2013, 06:22:28 PMWe're forgetting the numbered nature of the Box Keepers. There are probably 5 Box Keepers, as Mashi flipped as Box Keeper 5. Mr. E is Box Keeper 1, FireArrow is two or three, Mr. Tanooki Suit was most likely the other, and I'm Box Keeper 4. It's just silly for there to be a Box Keeper 5 without there being a Box Keeper 4, but no one has claimed against me.

Does the number box keeper you are correlate with the time you receive it or the paper inside?

Wait, I'm an idiot all boxes have a paper that says one, I must be box keeper number 2 then.

Though yes, number box keeper correlates with the time at which we wake up. I wake up at 4, so I'm box keeper 4. We're still missing number 3 though, so I'm thinking we lynched him. (Sorry, number 3!)

I talked to Contranegative in the chat earlier, and he made a strong case, but it's not enough for me to dismiss the red seering. This is a mystery game, and we can't really be certain there's no red wolf that starts with a box. A box keeper who is also a wolf, I mean. I still feel like k-NiGhT was human, and verm would still be my top choice for lynching tomorrow.

And it looks like my theory on two wolf teams has pretty much come true. Assuming two more deaths tonight, we'll have basically one last lynch before the wolves win, assuming three are left. I'm still going to ask that everyone who has possession of a box send it to FireArrow. Verm, if you could use your bodyguard power on FireArrow that would be great... it's still in your best interests to do so if you're human, seeing as how they aren't going to be used against you.

Right, and if I die tonight, make sure not to vote tomorrow before mutually agreeing on a lynch target. You would make yourself susceptible to an insta otherwise.

One problem here, Bird. You don't learn who you got your box from if one is sent to you.

No.  Something is not right.

Contranegative's saying that he was told he was Box Keeper #4 by the number on his paper.  That may be true.  FireArrow's saying that he must be box keeper number two BUT THAT HIS PAPER SAYS ONE.  That doesn't make any sense.  I also could've sworn that Bird said two different people claimed the same box keeper number.

Regardless, my bodyguard will be on FireArrow.

Everyone's paper says one. This was stated in the OP. The number is the time at which they awaken. So if anything, this sheds light on the subject of Contra. A mistake, or...

I don't know if having all the box-bearers send their boxes to FireArrow is the best idea. If he's a box keeper, he won't be able to send a box to himself, so he'll only be left with two boxes, which is barely enough for anything. And you can't stockpile boxes either- I know this because I attempted to stockpile boxes in order to get a seer off only to be informed that all the boxes I had received the previous phase had disappeared. I would prefer if we had all the boxes sent to a non Box-Keeper so that they can possibly use a seer.

But I have boxes!

I'm inclined to trust the seering more than I am our endless speculation as to the game's mechanics. I used that kind of BS to almost win Dark's Game Master TWG on LLF a couple years ago. Contranegative's sudden burst of activity strikes me as very wolfy.

Well the time we could blindly lynch any red result has since passed, since a human lynching in a game with double wolfings will certainly cause us to lose. You should have said that last day phase!!!

The night begins to get very, very cold...

Phase ends in less than an hour.

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)

___________________________________________________


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon - Human
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy - Wolf
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

The night was quiet. Too quiet. The place was cold. The camp made a fire. A big fire. The fire grew, bigger and bigger. It was out of control. It let out an eerie hiss and consumed players 2 and 10.

The players ran, the fire grew taller and the forest began to set itself on fire. No one knew what was happening. The forest was on fire.

Liggy and Thiannon have met their end

Liggy was part of the wolf gang. He was born not able to cry. He was a Wolf.
Thiannon was weak, stupid. He was a normal Human.

Wake up twats, remember MaestroUGC? Look at what he brought upon you. It's now Day 4, Day 4 ends Thursday 8pm GMT+1

lol

Certain players aren't running from the fire fast enough, player 3 for example

Bird has been burned

:(

Don't blame me. (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5814.msg224082#msg224082)

Well, I guess Maestro has still killed more wolves than any of us humans. I don't know if we ever would have caught Liggy!

We got his stuff at least.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on September 10, 2013, 12:39:43 PMBird has been burned

Bird why is it always you that gets hurt by the random things >.> Unless theyre not random...

I think it was because he posted first. Anyway, lynches. We don't have any clue how many more wolves are in the game, only that the humans still outnumber them. I'd say that right now Contranegative looks to be in the worst position, and I question the wisdom of killing K-night like that. If people want to discuss stuff, get in the chat. It's so much easier and immediate to talk to people.

As I said before, let's try not to vote until we have a lynch picked out. I'm going to be putting the people I want lynched in red with underlines and the people I want vigi'd in purple with underlines.

So, to start us off, vermilionvermin.

For the most part, it comes back to the k-NiGhT stuff, but I found a very convincing post that indicates k-NiGhT is indeed the real seer:

Quote from: K-NiGhT on August 26, 2013, 02:59:41 PMSo do we know what specials there are? For example, is there a guardian so a seer could safely come forward?

That post was made just two hours after the game began. Just two hours after the game began, he was looking for ways for the seer (the role he would go on to claim) to come out. This is just the icing on the cake though. We know he and verm aren't on the same wolf team, since verm helped lynch him, so why would his first post be one that makes verm's claim look legitimate if he were a wolf? And why would he do so without actually announcing that he was the seer? And what are the chances that there's a wolf seer and no human seer? And the fact that he was never counterclaimed, does that mean anything to you? I am more certain than ever, k-NiGhT was the real seer and denying it is absurd.

Let's go back to his lynch. His seer result, seering a box keeper red, is a little unbelievable. But couldn't he have been redirected? Do we even know what happens when the role blocker blocks the seer? Or could Fawful have been a red wolf who started with a box, just as Liggy as now proven to be? I feel like so many questions weren't asked that phase, and it's making me incredibly sure that verm is a wolf.

Let me bring up an argument that I haven't mentioned yet... something that verm brought up himself. It seems a little crazy to have a wolfsbane/bodyguard and a guardian in the same game. Not only that, but if verm was bodyguarding fank009, and fank009 was actually guarding vermilionvermin, the two of them would be invincible. Yet this game was apparently vetted by Manti, who is a very talented TWG player (famous, actually). There's got to be some explanation for this, and I have two. The more likely of them is that one of these two players was lying (since fank009 is confirmed, the liar has to be verm). The other is that there's some kind of role-block the wolves have easy access to. I'm partial to the first one.

This, and the fank wolfing make me believe he's very likely to be a wolf.

Contranegative is my pick for the vigi tonight, but I'm less certain on that one.

Also, it's important to make it clear that two wolves have been killed. Had Liggy been a loner, I think it would've been mentioned in the end phase bit, and it should also be noted that Boy said that he could not cry. Well, we aren't able to leave  until the ones who can't cry are dead. So my guess would be that two wolves are dead. By the number of players, I'd guess that there would be four wolves total, which would mean we have two left. After talking with Bird on chat, I feel pretty confident that Verm is a wolf. If you want this retracted, seek me out. I would love to talk to you. I also support a Contra vigi tonight, but we should think about other players just in case he doesn't turn out to be a wolf.

Can Slow and Dude be replaced? They're not posting or responding to PMs about the game.

He's working on replacing Slow, but I don't know about Dude.

Here's my defense.  I'll try to make sure it's as short and sweet as possible.

-By the time I voted for K-Night, two people had already voted him and the next leading vote-getter (Bubbles) only had one vote.  If I were really a wolf I wouldn't have voted so I didn't have to get my hands dirty.

-I turned Liggy over to bird.  Liggy claimed third-party to me and now he's flipped wolf.  So either I turned in my wolf partner to the alliance or Toby lied to us about Liggy's role.  Bird doubts this but I think it's a legitimate defense!

-I pursued the Mariolegofan connection to see if bird was actually telling the truth about that.  I might have done this as a wolf but I think I'd be more active in other areas of the game if I were a wolf using that to feign wolf-hunting.

-If K-Night was a bad lynch and he's actually the seer, then we have a player who's been seered red.

-There's no proof the alliance has been infiltrated.  There was a full night phase without any special deaths and only one special died two nights ago.  I think that's compelling enough evidence that there was no alliance infiltration.

Quote-By the time I voted for K-Night, two people had already voted him and the next leading vote-getter (Bubbles) only had one vote.  If I were really a wolf I wouldn't have voted so I didn't have to get my hands dirty.

This would have put you in the exact same position you're in now. People would be upset at you for not doing anything about the lynch. It's unfair of me to pin the lynch completely on you, but you were the one in the alliance who knew everything from the beginning, and did little to stop what happened. On top of that, I have trouble believing that there was nothing you could have done to get someone else lynched.

You also may not have predicted the fiasco that would blow up in your face the following phase either way!

Quote-I turned Liggy over to bird.  Liggy claimed third-party to me and now he's flipped wolf.  So either I turned in my wolf partner to the alliance or Toby lied to us about Liggy's role.  Bird doubts this but I think it's a legitimate defense!

Liggy is a human-aligned loner who is seered and is flipped red.

(6:27:58 PM) Liggy: so yeah
(6:28:03 PM) Liggy: I'm red actually
(6:28:05 PM) Liggy: which is ridiculous!
(6:28:12 PM) Liggy: so there obviously is miller type role
(6:28:14 PM) Liggy: s
(6:28:19 PM) Liggy: but eh
(6:28:22 PM) bird: but you know you are red
(6:28:28 PM) bird: if fawful knew he was red he should have said something
(6:29:06 PM) Liggy: well I didn't know I was red until now!
(6:29:17 PM) Liggy: when toby said "oh I screwed up your role pm"

Quote-I pursued the Mariolegofan connection to see if bird was actually telling the truth about that.  I might have done this as a wolf but I think I'd be more active in other areas of the game if I were a wolf using that to feign wolf-hunting.

You always create some arbitrary suspicion of me as a wolf.

Quote-If K-Night was a bad lynch and he's actually the seer, then we have a player who's been seered red.

This is so infuriating, why didn't you say anything about this last day phase, jesus.

Quote-There's no proof the alliance has been infiltrated.  There was a full night phase without any special deaths and only one special died two nights ago.  I think that's compelling enough evidence that there was no alliance infiltration.

Pretty sure you said you believed the alliance was infiltrated also, which factored into your decision to help lynch k-NiGhT. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're flip-flopping here.

Slowpokemon has been the least active of the two, if anyone can find someone to replace Slowpokemon or Dude that would be splendid.

They can't have already been in the game beforehand though, dimwits.

Quote from: Bird on September 10, 2013, 02:36:04 PMLiggy is a human-aligned loner who is seered and is flipped red.

I refuse to believe this. We can't leave until those who can't cry are all dead. Toby SPECIFICALLY SAID that he can't cry. He had to have been a wolf. There is no other possible explanation that makes sense to me.

He also said this:

http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5814.msg224466#msg224466

And I don't think Liggy would lie about saying the host made a mistake with his PM, suddenly saying that he was red. I think it's a fair assumption for a player who is red to flip as a wolf, right? What would be the point of a miller who flipped as "miller" rather than "wolf"?

Regarding my potential to no-vote:  Would I really have been in the same place?  I honestly think you'd be a hell of a lot less suspicious of me if I'd come up with some inactivity excuse (which would work pretty well since I was actually pretty busy during most of that phase!).  If I were a wolf, it's hard to predict a scenario in which voting for the seer didn't blow up in my face.

Regarding Liggy:  I lean towards trusting the wolf cardflip.  I find it a bit hard to believe that Toby messed up his role so spectacularly that he didn't tell Liggy he was seered red and didn't leave room for a humansided third party in the first post.  Though I think there's a good argument to be made for Liggy being a loner so I'll drop this point.

Regarding the MarioLegoFan thing:  The point is that I was actually trying to hunt wolves at some point with what limited time I had.

Regarding the Contranegative seering:  It's silly that you're lynching me person for supporting the K-Night lynch because he's apparently a really obvious seer when he seered someone red.  There is no reason for Contranegative to be arbitrarily red, especially when you already believe that Liggy's a miller, a wolf is brown, and that another wolf is blue!  That makes a pretty OP wolf team.

Regarding the alliance infiltration:  Yeah I contradicted myself because I too was skeptical of five specials.  But at this point everyone but me is confirmed or likely human.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 10, 2013, 02:52:47 PMRegarding my potential to no-vote:  Would I really have been in the same place?  I honestly think you'd be a hell of a lot less suspicious of me if I'd come up with some inactivity excuse (which would work pretty well since I was actually pretty busy during most of that phase!).  If I were a wolf, it's hard to predict a scenario in which voting for the seer didn't blow up in my face.

I'm just having a lot of trouble explaining the way you acted as a human, okay, so it all gets thrown into my "why you're a wolf" posts. I mean, you helped lynch the seer. I don't know what you were thinking, wolf or human.

QuoteRegarding Liggy:  I lean towards trusting the wolf cardflip.  I find it a bit hard to believe that Toby messed up his role so spectacularly that he didn't tell Liggy he was seered red and didn't leave room for a humansided third party in the first post.  Though I think there's a good argument to be made for Liggy being a loner so I'll drop this point.

It sounds like his role might have had to make an alliance choice by a certain point in time, going off of that Toby post I linked, and maybe he ended up choosing Wolf. He still gave us his three boxes though.

Liggy claimed to me independently after you told me about him. Either way, I don't think it counts as a point in your favor!

QuoteRegarding the MarioLegoFan thing:  The point is that I was actually trying to hunt wolves at some point with what limited time I had.

Silliness!!

QuoteRegarding the Contranegative seering:  It's silly that you're lynching me person for supporting the K-Night lynch because he's apparently a really obvious seer when he seered someone red.  There is no reason for Contranegative to be arbitrarily red, especially when you already believe that Liggy's a miller, a wolf is brown, and that another wolf is blue!  That makes a pretty OP wolf team.

If Liggy is a wolf, he's red and started off with boxes. Then you have the Brown wolf who is basically designed to be able to pretend to be a box keeper. Then you have ANOTHER red wolf who pretends to be a box keeper? That's crazy and hard to believe. That's why I'm going for you first. Not that you aren't making a number of good points, but ehhh... it seems like a lot of box keepery wolves, is all.

A green wolf is also a possibility.  Or, there's more than one red wolf like there usually is!

Liggy is either a loner or a wolf, and either way there's a reason I shouldn't be lynched today.

If Liggy is a wolf:

I told Bird before Bird got a claim from him that Liggy had claimed loner to me.  I also demonstrated knowledge of the fact that loners can't win with the humans.  Thus if Liggy is a wolf I cannot be a wolf.  However, Bird has pointed out that there's a possibility that there are two wolf factions because of the two killings each night.  My response is that it's a lot less likely that there are two wolf factions than it is that I made a bad vote as a human.

If Liggy is a loner:
Then the red seering on Contranegative really can't be ignored.  It would be ludicrous for there to be two non-wolves seered red, a blue wolf (apparently me), and a brown wolf.  Not to mention the fact that there's also probably a green wolf!

I survived until the end of a TWG once... in 2009.

well excuse me for wanting to sleep today -_-
Contra I guess

Quote from: Bird on September 10, 2013, 02:18:53 PMCan Slow and Dude be replaced? They're not posting or responding to PMs about the game.

omg one day of not posting and u guys freak out.
is that really necessary?

good night! >:(

That and clearly not reading the thread.

Could you please tell us your role?

vermillionvermin

Also, didn't you say you've never gotten a box from contra Bird? If so, then we pretty much have this game in the bag.

Quote from: Bird on September 10, 2013, 07:27:15 PMThat and clearly not reading the thread.

Could you please tell us your role?

Quote from: Dude on September 08, 2013, 05:02:54 PMwat

I thought I PM'd you a while ago.

I'm a normal human.

Whoops!

Let's just pretend all that anger was directed at SlowPokemon then. Sorry about that!

FireArrow, you and Mr. E should vote for Contranegative.  Apparently I convinced Bird but I was supposed to post why and things came up and I forgot.  I don't know why he didn't mention it. 

BONUS POINT:  I asked Toby if my bodyguard power allows me to take kills from burnings should they kill.  He said yes.

It's really baffling to me that I'm being lynched because I was an unnecessary vote in a lynch people didn't like.  Especially when we have a player seered red who started the lynch that I'm getting flak for supporting.  And when there's plenty of evidence of me being human (see the point I made about Liggy's role in my last post).

Changing vote quickly to Bubbles right now. I've been temporarily convinced by Verm and Contra. I'll investigate further, but I don't find it likely that either are wolves right now. I'm sorry Bird.

OK, now that I don't feel rushed to switch votes and have thought about stuff a bit, I think the best target would be SlowPokemon. I feel as though Bird, Me, Contra, Verm, and FireArrow are pseudo-confirmed (to me at least)and I think that over this game he has definitely acted the oddest.

I dont think slow ever intended to play in the first place. Isn't he being replaced though?

Vermilionvermin has been burned
Bubbles has been burned

Alright with this, I feel pretty confident in who the wolves are. i think it's SlowPokemon and Dude. If anyone else, Contra, but I'm more convinced that he's human right now. The rest of us have either been taken from play or had our roles semi-confirmed.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on September 11, 2013, 01:28:26 PMBubbles has been burned

D:

contra

I don't know if there's a pattern to these burnings or what.

Well, if it was the people who posted soonest after the fire started, it would be me then Bubbles then Mr. E then verm, but Mr. E was skipped for whatever reason.

I dunno.

But Contra is very red and verm is being pretty reasonable, so... yeah let's do it woooo.

Mr. E

More like Mr. Evil

But I'm not red at all! You can kill me when there's less people left and I'm one of few suspects remaining (there is no doubt that I'm the most suspicious of the box keepers), but there's little reason to kill me now when people like SlowPokemon exist. Slow, Dude, and maybe Bubbles and Verm are the only people without much showing their humanity.
Here's what we'll do to prove me. Postpone your killing of me to tomorrow. Me, Mr. E, and Fire will all give boxes to Bird, who will seer me. I will not be red, because I'm not red. Verm will use a bodyguard on him too, so that Bird will be able to survive long enough to reveal the result.
Seering me and discovering my color will also prove that K-NiGHT lied, which would definitely be useful in any future analysis. It would also stop you from making the grave mistake of lynching a normal human and causing the human team to lose.
Also, do you really think that the wolf team would have three roles that are able to imitate box keepers? Because I sure as hell don't. Liggy was a red wolf with boxes, BDS was a brown wolf. There's no way there's another red wolf with boxes- that's absurd.
Oh, and me NOT being a box keeper would make things not add up at all. It would mean that we, through some stroke of baloney luck, managed to lynch both box keeper 3 and 4 (as TZP and Tanooki), and that I magically guessed one of the non-remaning box keepers to false claim as.

One problem with that plan, Contra. We were already told to send our boxes to FireArrow. We shouldn't have any boxes left to sen.

Oh, I was under the impression that we gained new boxes every night somehow, because I've been able to steadily send one box a night.

The suggestion to send boxes was made last night. I no longer have a box in my possession.

Quote from: Contranegative on September 11, 2013, 03:22:50 PMOh, I was under the impression that we gained new boxes every night somehow, because I've been able to steadily send one box a night.

what

I thought box keepers get a box every night at a specific time?

i feel like everything just got even more confusing

Quote from: Contranegative on September 11, 2013, 03:14:29 PMBut I'm not red at all! You can kill me when there's less people left and I'm one of few suspects remaining (there is no doubt that I'm the most suspicious of the box keepers), but there's little reason to kill me now when people like SlowPokemon exist. Slow, Dude, and maybe Bubbles and Verm are the only people without much showing their humanity.

We'll probably kill Slow/Dude tonight via the boxes.

QuoteHere's what we'll do to prove me. Postpone your killing of me to tomorrow. Me, Mr. E, and Fire will all give boxes to Bird, who will seer me. I will not be red, because I'm not red. Verm will use a bodyguard on him too, so that Bird will be able to survive long enough to reveal the result. Seering me and discovering my color will also prove that K-NiGHT lied, which would definitely be useful in any future analysis. It would also stop you from making the grave mistake of lynching a normal human and causing the human team to lose.

If we don't lynch a wolf today, there's a good chance we'll lose. Liggy was probably not a wolf, meaning there are probably three wolves still alive. If we kill a human today and two more humans are killed tonight then it's game over. And that's ignoring the fact that the burned players might already be screwed over. No, we don't have any time to re-confirm stuff or waste boxes on seerings instead of kills.

And there is not a doubt in my mind that k-NiGhT wasn't the real seer.

QuoteAlso, do you really think that the wolf team would have three roles that are able to imitate box keepers? Because I sure as hell don't. Liggy was a red wolf with boxes, BDS was a brown wolf. There's no way there's another red wolf with boxes- that's absurd.

I think Liggy was probably a loner. And considering there are two wolf teams, I don't think it's impossible for you to be a wolf who is also a box keeper. Plus there's the fact that you've apparently gotten a new box every night, which is really odd.

QuoteOh, and me NOT being a box keeper would make things not add up at all. It would mean that we, through some stroke of baloney luck, managed to lynch both box keeper 3 and 4 (as TZP and Tanooki), and that I magically guessed one of the non-remaning box keepers to false claim as.

You being a wolf and you being a box keeper are not mutually exclusive. I don't think Toby would make 5 roles that could be confirmed humans--having one of them actually be a wolf makes perfect sense.

The fact of the matter is that you were seered red. Sorry!

But Liggy has to have been a wolf! He flipped as one, and the host explicitly stated that he was born without the ability to cry. The game says at the beginning that we cannot leave the forest until those who cannot cry are gone.

How will you kill Slow/Dude with boxes if I'm dead? Boxes don't stockpile, (unless I don't understand them at all, which is the way it looks. I thought that box keepers could deliver someone a box each night, and that all boxes vanished some time before the next night (at one point I thought I had saved up three boxes for a seering, but I was told that if you don't use all your boxes the remaining ones disappear)), so you'll only have two for the night unless you have some other magic juju. Killing me will leave you with two boxes, only enough for a role block.

Side note: I received a box RIGHT before the phase ended last phase. I don't know why this was, but someone thought to send me one.

Whether or not I'm a wolf (hint: I'm not), it is beneficial for you to keep me alive so you can get 3 boxes per night, enabling you to seer. You're probably not going to lose if you accidentally lynch a human this phase, but you're almost definitely losing if you make the mistake of lynching me.

So I don't make a big mistake, Contranegative. Can someone explain to me why verm isn't suspicious anymore?

Verm is still suspicious, just not as much. Plus he's promising to save me from my burn, right verm!

[[MYSTERY PLAYER]] now has all five boxes, so I'm pretty sure they do stockpile. And I'm also pretty sure box keepers shouldn't get 3 boxes each night, which is giving me a lot more faith in this lynch!

Oh, I didn't respond to this bit:

Quote from: Contranegative on September 11, 2013, 04:46:36 PMBut Liggy has to have been a wolf! He flipped as one, and the host explicitly stated that he was born without the ability to cry. The game says at the beginning that we cannot leave the forest until those who cannot cry are gone.

I feel like I've posted this post a thousand times before, but here it is again. (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5814.msg224466#msg224466) Our win condition says we need to kill all non-humans, but then Toby comes in saying that if there's a loner role who may not be human (read: who may not be able to cry), we might not have to kill that person. Liggy told me before he died that he would be seered red, so it makes me think he would cardflip red as well. It makes perfect sense. Plus he gave us all those boxes; what a nice guy!

If being on fire kills (and it sounds like it kills, I can't figure out what else it'd do) I should be dead by tomorrow anyways.

At least have the decency to vigi me! That way you can punch yourself in the face repeatedly after I flip as Box Keeper 4.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 11, 2013, 05:25:38 PMIf being on fire kills (and it sounds like it kills, I can't figure out what else it'd do) I should be dead by tomorrow anyways.

I dont think so. If you me and bird all die, that wouldnt really be fair. I am curious what it means though. We're "burned" though, not necessarily on fire

Oops and I keep forgetting to vote Contra

Bitterness aside, I received two boxes one night, and I decided to save them up for another night. The next night, I received another box, so I tried to use a seer. I was told that I couldn't do it, because if I don't use all my boxes, all the remaining ones disappear. Also, Liggy's seering thing seems like exactly the type of thing a wolf who later feared that he might get seered might do.

Oh, I also meant three boxes total (Me, FireArrow, and Mr. E). I think we each get one box to send per night, because that's what I've been doing. Maybe have [PLAYER REDACTED] ask Toby how many boxes he has? That might clarify things. If box mechanics work like they did with me, he'll have none (or one/two, if they got any during the night). Alternately, if that feels a little too cheaty, you can at least have [PLAYER REDACTED] Vigi me this Day Phase, so I can flip. That way, you can all go after the people who were accusing me.

Also, if it helps my case any more, I knew that fank was Guardian before he died, and I did tell Mr. E about this (In the chat!) Since I'm incompetent, I also accidentally let this fact slip in a chat that Liggy was idling in, but I don't think he picked it up. The point is, however, that I didn't just kill fank and keep it a secret after discovering he was guardian.

I'm grasping for straws here, because getting lynching a human is embarrassing for all parties involved. While there might be a lot of evidence against me (read: A seering from a guy I'm not even sure was seer), there is also much for me (BOX KEEPER NUMBERS, knowing fank was Guardian, giving boxes away to Mr. E like a kind soul). I can't see a reason why you shouldn't just delay the kill and seer me, which will confirm me as "NOT A WOLF".

come to da chat contra

Quote from: Contranegative on September 11, 2013, 06:13:24 PMAlso, if it helps my case any more, I knew that fank was Guardian before he died, and I did tell Mr. E about this (In the chat!) Since I'm incompetent, I also accidentally let this fact slip in a chat that Liggy was idling in, but I don't think he picked it up. The point is, however, that I didn't just kill fank and keep it a secret after discovering he was

Can you provide this log? I don't remember it and so it may have been with someone else.

Augh, I didn't keep logs (because I didn't expect anyone to actually try to lynch me), but I can give you the gist of the message. Fank and I had a plan where I would bodyguard him and he would guard me and we'd be invincible. I did this the first night, but I didn't hear anything from him the second night, so I tried to stockpile boxes in order to seer. I figured he wasn't guarding me anymore- you know, since he was an alliance big shot.

I-I-I-INSTA

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)

Vote Count:

Bird  - Contranegative
Bubbles - Contranegative
SlowPokemon -
Dude - Contranegative
FireArrow - Vermilionvermin Contranegative
Contranegative – Slowpokemon
Mr. E - Vermilionvermin Bubbles Slowpokemon
Vermilionvermin – Contranegative

Contranegative - 5
Slowpokemon - 2

___________________________________________________


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

There's not much left to say...
Not many people are left...
The book is closing....
We need someone to speak....

Who should speak? Tell me...
Who should be allowed to share all that they know in one final breath? One final post...
Bold, Underline and Italic who you want to speak, the first person do give an answer will have their wish come true.

Contranegative has been lynched

Night Night. It is Now Night 5. Night 5 ends Sunday 8pm GMT+1.

Let the dead speak. Let the dead speak. Let the dead speak.

The good news is that the burned people aren't dead (yet?). Also the game isn't over, which is nice, and it looks like we'll be able to get a dead person to speak up. I think the best choice would probably be Mr. Tanooki Suit. Correct me if I'm wrong about that though, Toby!

And we should also be able to vigi someone tonight. It will probably be between Dude and Slow, but I feel Fawful was probably a wolf meaning Slow probably wasn't. Meaning I'd prefer to vigi Dude tonight.

1 dead person gets 1 last post. They have until the end of the phase.

Mashi, because I want to hear what his plan was with this game and why he wanted me to join so damn badly.

I have a feeling that we're getting close to getting the final wolf anyways.

I agree with Bird that Mr. Tanooki Suit should be revived to claim his role.

I also think it's really important that we figure out who's claiming what regarding box keepers.  Mashi is 5, Fawful claimed 4, but it seems like FireArrow had no idea what number he was?  That strikes me as odd.

For Vigi'ing, I'm not opposed to a Dude vigi, but I think a Slow vigi or a Mr. E vigi wouldn't be bad either.  Mr. E strikes me as the type of wolf who would avoid voting for his partners (which would explain why he voted Bubbles yesterday and made many of the same arguments Contra did), and Slow strikes me as someone who has a post restriction on them.

Slow's mentioning of Red Onions early on is really weird, as is his post about Mr. E being Mr. Evil, and his general inactivity throughout the game.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on September 12, 2013, 12:07:09 PMBold, Underline and Italic who you want to speak, the first person do give an answer will have their wish come true.[/i]\

I think since Dude was the first person to do it Mashi's going to be revived :/

but just in case... Mr. Tanooki Suit?

Bubbles was more of a safety. I thought the phase was ending and wanted to change my vote from you verm! Once I realized I was a day off, I collected my thoughts and made my vote on Slowpokemon. Not on Bubbles. I'd vote on who should speak, but it doesn't look like there's much of a point now

Mashi has until Sunday 8pm GMT+1 to make 1 post with whatever he wants in it. No restrictions whatsoever. Mashi may not PM anyone or speak to anyone in the irc chat. No one may talk to Mashi in the irc chat or PM him.

Wow Dude, thanks for nothing.

And verm, I think it would be pretty weird if a player who is typically inactive happened to get the role which prevents him from speaking. Plus I don't know what he could possibly be talking about with that red onions crap, but a role like that is probably not one that belongs to a wolf.

So yeah, I'm in favor of a Dude lynch. Mr. E gets the pass since Fawful was a red box keeper, in my opinion, although I agree he was acting odd towards the end of the last phase. And Bubbles, verm and I were burned, so we get a pass for now I think.

In other news, I just received a box for no real reason. Anybody know anything about that?

Sorry, I meant Dude vigi* not lynch.

damn you guys can't take hints very well, huh?

anyway I think we should vigi slow because he's a jerk

To clear up, the SlowPokemon saying red onions thing is just a joke.  It doesn't pertain to the game.  We had a bunch of plans to do frivolous things periodically in the game but it didn't end up too well since I died!!!
SlowPokemon told me he was Human at the beginning of the game on Facebook if that means anything.

I don't really have any suspicions or anything (to be honest, I've not looked at the game in depth), but from what I've been skimming over the passed few days, you should listen to Bird because he is pretty coll.

Also, the PM I received says I can break the rules, so here's my Role PM!!!

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on August 26, 2013, 12:53:08 PM

You are a Box Keeper. When the clock strikes 3am your body will be taken over by a spirit. This spirit will guide you to your designated tree; the spirit will leave your body once the Little Red Box has reached your hands. Inside the box is a square of paper with the number 1 on it. You cannot open your box, but you can open someone else's.

You may leave the forest when all the non-humans have been destroyed

This is significant because it means that the time they wake up doesn't necessarily correspond to what number Box Keeper they are.

Unfortunately it makes Tanooki's lack of a claim a lot more significant.

i think we should vigi bird now, i mean what has he even done to prove himself a human? too suspicious imo. >_>

why is this night phase so long

is this gonna be forever

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 13, 2013, 04:24:02 PMwhy is this night phase so long

because bird probably wolfed him! :o

It's not long enough.

Extending the phase till Monday 5pm GMT+1

I went to a different forest at the weekend, anyone have a problem with that?

I think pretty much everyone does!

If the care-taker of the forest was gone, does this mean that we get to leave while he's not watching?

After checking my inbox, I think I managed to attend to most things.

The phase wouldn't have been this long if the world had better wifi.

Phase ends today at 8pm GMT+1

If anyone needs it to be extended to monday I'll do so at the first request since I wasn't able to attend to people's needs during the past few days.

nobody request a longer phase pls

phase extension plz

you never replied to my question boy!!!

*sigh*

actually nvm i'm good.

Phase will end tomorrow 5pm GMT+1.

I apologize greatly for the inconvenience.

I just realized NSM still allows death post, and there's no limit to how long I can wait before using it!

So I'd like to say this:

Worst host.

Alright, this is getting ridiculous.

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles - Third Party Serial Killer
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

We must wait...
We must wait...

Can we not wait?...
Can we not wait?...

The waiting is finally over...
The waiting is finally over...

Bubbles has been killed

Bubbles was a Third Party Serial Killer. Each Night she got a box to send to someone of her choice, the choice of either a roleblock or a seer and a kill every night. I loved this kid, this was my little monster.

Cock, a doodle, do. It is now Day 5. Day 5 ends Wednesday 8pm GMT+1.

Sorry for the wait. How about we play a little game to just show how sorry I am? I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10, would you like to guess what it is? The person who guesses correct wins a prize. Will you really want to win a prize though?

I'm going to suppose that Liggy and Thiannon are both dead. I'd also suggest that we insta somebody to make this phase go faster, but I doubt it would. And an insta is probably something we should avoid at this point in the game. There's one or two wolves remaining, leaving us very open to a wolfrush if anybody makes a single vote.

Speaking of there only being two wolves left, this means we lynched one at some point. Incredible, I know. I think its much more likely to be Contranegative than TZP/k-NiGhT/Tanooki, but I suppose anything's possible. If we do follow that assumption, it means that we lynched a box keeper wolf and Mr. E and Fire Arrow, two other box keepers, should get a pass this phase.

Despite being completely and hilariously wrong about Bubbles, I still think we should go for Dude this phase. It's between him, SlowPokemon and verm, and Slow has literally done nothing the entire game. If there's just one wolf left in the game, it's not him, since he probably wouldn't have been active enough to make the wolfings anyway. Verm has been pretty helpful and made a pretty great defense when the heat was on last day phase. Which leaves Dude. Dude is a better choice than SlowPokemon for two reasons:
     1. People began to bandwagon SlowPokemon, and the lynch gained a lot of support. I don't know if that would happen to a wolf.
     2. Dude said he had to ask the host a question, which seems like an odd thing to do if he were a plain old human. Verm also pointed this out.

What do you all think?

Slow is the last wolf. I guarantee it.

Here are my thoughts:

I'm a bit skeptical of Dude and Contranegative being wolves together.  Yeah, it arguably makes sense if you look at Day 3 (the one where K-Night got lynched) when Dude voted for Bubbles.  It doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you look at Day 4, when it looked like I was the likely lynch target for the day.  At that point, Mr. E had voted for me.  Bird said that I was his pick for lynching that day.  If Dude's a wolf with Contranegative, I don't understand why he's the first not-me person to vote for Contranegative when it would have been so much easier to vote for me.

You know who I think would make an amazing partner for Contra?  Mr. E.  I don't know what his defense is, but I think that since we're getting pretty late in the game I shouldn't just let his weird behavior slide.  Before explaining why I think Mr. E would make a great wolf partner for Contra, I need to explain some game theory I came up with when I was a wolf last game.  Some might argue that, as a new player, Mr. E might not yet be susceptible to it.  I don't know.

Introducing the sliding cap wolf partner system (snappy Fiver nickname pending)

Ironically enough, Mr. E was my wolf partner when I first realized this and I used a modified version of it for him.  Say a wolf partner's generally suspicious.  If that player gets lynched and you defend them, well, you're putting yourself in danger too.  That makes it a bad idea to defend the wolf partner.  Instead, you put them high on your suspicion list and vote for a human instead.  That works out great until either that human's lynched or people decide the person you put at the top of your suspicion list looks pretty human.  At that point, you put another player at the top of your suspicion list.  Rinse and repeat as necessary.

I feel like Mr. E, knowingly or not, used a similar system when voting yesterday.  I was the first person to vote for most humans who wanted to follow Bird/wolves who didn't want Contranegative lynched.  Since Contranegative was the next person on the suspicion list anyways, he gets put on Mr. E's suggestion for being vigi'd, though Mr. E states that he thinks we should look into other possibilities.  At the point in the day where Mr. E changes his vote, I'd been talking to him in the chat.  I honestly don't remember if Bird decided that Contra should be lynched at that point or if Mr. E knew that Contra was supposed to be the lynch.  Either way, I'd been pitching my argument for quite some time, and apparently got him to vote for Bubbles, then Slow.  Slow also turned out to be the person Contra argued to lynch.  Somehow, Contra slipped from second-priority to fourth when I'd made my defense (part of which was that Contranegative was more responsible for the K-Night lynch I was being crucified for).

tl;dr:  A wolf partner should never end up as higher than second on your suspicion list and the best way to avoid this is to elevate other people rather than defending said wolf partner.  Mr. E did this with Contranegative yesterday.

I think he was also the person that was supposed to clear Contranegative but I'm not sure about that one.  Did either of them use their boxes for anything other than proving each other?  He said he was no longer in possession of a box but I'm not sure what he meant by that.

A few loose ends I forgot in the last post:

-Can we vigi someone with boxes this phase?  I asked Toby whether or not my bodyguard power could save people from death from burning and his  response was pretty specific about it only working during the night.  This makes me think Bird and me might die today (I'd die because my power only prevents night deaths).  That would mean that theoretically this could be our last day phase.  If burning doesn't kill today it's still a good idea because I'd rather go into the night with four people than five, which would make tomorrow our last day.

-I'd like Dude to tell us what he was asking the host.

-Mr. E just seemed to be on the same page as Contra (like Liggy being definitely a wolf and both their votes ending up on Slow)

Something else I just realized!

-I think that it's possible that Liggy was a wolf.  He referred to himself as a Loner, but Bubbles flipped as a THIRD PARTY serial killer.  "Third party" and "loner" are synonymous if you're a person who isn't sided with the humans or wolves but doesn't have any partners.  I'm pretty sure Bubbles didn't have any partners, and I think Toby would probably have told Liggy he was a third party player as well if that's what he was.

I agree that Bubbles flipping third-party loner makes Liggy seem much more likely to be a wolf!

Using boxes to kill people is pretty much out of the question now. I have yet to figure out how the mechanics work, but here's what happened with me and boxes last phase:

FireArrow had 5 boxes a few phases ago, but apparently they all vanish if you don't use them that phase. Now it's last night phase. I randomly received a box from some random person. I decide to use this box to bodyguard FireArrow. Later on I receive another box from another random person. Once again, I have no idea who these boxes came from. I tried to use that box to bodyguard Bubbles. But apparently you can only use boxes for one power, and the rest all vanish. So I decided to send this box to vermilionvermin, but apparently I couldn't send it away either. When it came down to seering or bodyguarding somebody, I decided bodyguarding was more important (since I was also being bodyguarded, and since seering results couldn't be relied upon).

It worked out for the best though, since Bubbles wasn't worth saving.

Anyway, let me hit you all with some knowledge:

If burn victims die today and verm and I are both human, the wolves win assuming there are two wolves remaining.
Alternatively, if SlowPokemon is human, the wolves can win at any point assuming there are two wolves remaining.

Ultimately, I gotta conclude that Liggy was probably a wolf. I think there's a case to be made for Mr. E being the final wolf. I'll go back and look through his posts before I respond to that idea.

Oh right, and I guess 7

Actually, fuck it:

1234568910

if the prize is me dying the game sucks anyway!

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There's stuff going for and against each player, but something we may have forgotten about was the fact that Mr. E and Liggy were both removed from the game on day 3. I think that power was likely controlled by the wolves, and it would be odd if they took out two of their number, wouldn't it? Even though Dude's last "SlowPokemon is the last wolf, I guarantee it" post seemed human to me, he's still my top choice. Mr. E being a wolf would mean that two of the box keepers were likely wolves, and that's pretty crazy given the existence of the brown wolf as well.

9 I guess

3 is my lucky number.

An arrow was shot in Bird's knee

Keep guessing

I don't know if I get multiple guesses after being shot in the knee, presumably for trying to game the system, but 5.

I've got two knees anyway.

Verm, is Mr. E still your preference over Dude?

okay votin dude

I'll pick 2.

My preference for lynching is still Mr. E, yeah.  Dude's not a horrible choice either.  What happened with Mr. E's box?  What box number did he claim?

wait maybe slowpokemon is the last wolf retract vote!!

Formalizing my vote for Mr. E on the basis of him being a wolf with Contra making more sense than Dude being a wolf with Contra.

Explanation time: what happened the day I flipped my votes. So the day before, Verm had come to me in the chat, and had proceeded to tell me why him being a wolf made no sense. I argued with him a bit, but generally found his points to be true. I decided to change my vote, but wanted to wait a bit. To wait for a better option to show up. The next day, I was hounded in two different chats by Verm and Contra. Contra was also able to convince me that his being a wolf made absolutely no sense, and I was forced to agree with him. Verm reminded me that my vote was still on him. I told him I still planned to change it, and he told me the phase was ending in the next few minutes. I realized if that was the case, he would die, so I frantically came here, and flipped my vote over to Bubbles, due to me not finding his lynching to be a likely occurrence. I stopped then to think about who I really found suspicious outside of Verm and Contra, and after a little reflection switched my vote again onto Slow. I then realized the phase ended the next day.

6

Keep Guessing.

10

8

Congratulations Mr.E.

You have won a prize.

dis game sux

verm when will you be on irc so we can finalize this lynch

also mr. e what was the prize

i can come on now

I won a prize that was a PM which said, "a prize"

I think we all just got trolled

I'm gonna keep my vote on Slow for now

I just skimmed the thread.  I'm now against lynching slow because:

1.  He voted Liggy (who I think is a likely wolf at this point) before Liggy's loner claim came to light.
2.  Contranegative voted for him earlier in the game as well (before yesterday, when I think it was plausible that Contra was trying to make slow look human).

Phase ends in 50mins!

Vote Count:

Bird  - Dude
SlowPokemon -
Dude – Slowpokemon
FireArrow -
Mr. E - Slowpokemon
Vermilionvermin – Mr. E

Slowpokemon – 2
Mr. E - 1

Aaahhh

I guess I'll give Slow one last chance.

Mr. E

I'll keep mine on slow and ask for an explanation of why people are voting for me before they just vote for me. like really. The accusations are I was suspicious last phase, which I explained, and haven't been challenged on, and because clearly a widely broadcasted boxkeeper checking with Contra clearly makes me his likely partner.

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)

Vote Count:

Bird  - Dude
SlowPokemon -
Dude – Slowpokemon Mr. E
FireArrow -
Mr. E - Slowpokemon
Vermilionvermin – Mr. E

Slowpokemon – 1
Mr. E - 2
_____________________________________________________________________

01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon - Human
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles - Third Party Serial Killer
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy - Wolf
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

Things during the day were strange. Things were quiet. Where was everyone? Player 17 was running through the forest, looking for people. Everyone was hiding. Not separate though, they were all together. Waiting. Waiting for the time to strike. Mr. E lay against the bark of a tree, tired, exhausted. Player 9 jumped out of the very tree and landed on top of player 17. Somehow player 17 seemed to survive, but was pretty dizzy. Player 9 grabbed his shoe and whacked player 17 in the head repeatedly. Player 17 was fighting for his life, he had to survive, he couldn't die by some shoe. Player 17 pushed player 9 back and jumped on top of him, holding him down, trying to get his head straight. player 9 managed to get a hand free and grabbed player 17's hair, pulled it towards him and bit off his left ear. He didn't spit it out though, he chewed it. With the ear still in his mouth he took a strong looking stick and jabbed it into player 17's stomach. Blood was everywhere. The life drained from player 17 as player 9 swallowed the ear.

Mr. E has been lynched

It's Night time, ad it seems to be raining, hail stones is that? No wait, it's bigger that hail stones what is it.... wait? It is now Night 6. Night 6 ends Friday 8pm GMT+1

It's raining toes everybody. How fun is that? But that's not all, there seems to be writing on the nail of the toe, what does it say?

'Suck me'

:( Mr. Earless. Goodbye, everybody!

You just got your ear bitten off and your stomach stabbed with a sharp stick, how are you still talking?

If anyone has a box, now would be a greeeeeeeeat time to use it.

idk

wait can't firearrow be a wolf?

Quote from: Bird on September 18, 2013, 03:22:04 PMwait can't firearrow be a wolf?

Maaayyybeee

Sorry, I just lost interest in the game when my boxes disappeared (Contranegative is laughing at us right now.) That being said, I disagree with the Mr. E lynch, I think dudes just being dude (which doesn't tell us much), verm could still be a wolf, and I think slowpokemon would put a bit more effort into concealing himself if he were a wolf.

If the wolfs don't die tonight, I'd probably go for a Dude lynch (because my gut is telling me verm, and my gut is always wrong.)

I don't know why, if verm were a wolf, he would randomly start pushing for a Mr. E lynch when I already was so willing to lynch Dude.

I think it's gotta be FireArrow!

yay another two day day phase weeeeee

err... night phase*

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)


01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon - Human
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles - Third Party Serial Killer
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy - Wolf
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow - Box Keeper
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

FireArrow starved to death... But then his body was cut open by morning. Heart, Kidney, Lungs and Li- wait, the liver wasn't hanging out, actually, the liver wasn't found.

Had someone eaten it?

Or had some-thing?

FireArrow has been killed

FieArrow was a Box Keeper

End of Night 6. It is Now Day 6. Day 6 ends Sunday 9pm GMT+1.

The end is near

...I'm really confused.

This night phase, I sent bird a PM telling him why I thought the last wolf had to be FireArrow.  Neither Dude nor Slow made sense.  I'd like it if both Slow and Dude posted defenses or accusations of each other (or maybe me????) so I had more to go off.  Most importantly, though, I'd like to know what question Dude was asking Toby two night phases ago that required a phase extension.

Here's an outline of the defenses I made for each one of you (though I may have forgotten bits then that I'm adding in now):

Dude:  Seemed really human last phase.  There's absolutely no reason for him to change his vote at the end of last phase to Mr. E.  Him being a wolf with Contranegative still doesn't make any sense since he was the first to go after Contra instead of me two days ago.  I think if we can get him to tell us what question he was asking, I'm willing to write him off as a potential suspect.  (Not anymore since FireArrow was wolfed, but that's what I wrote last night).

Slow:  He voted for Liggy before the whole loner claim came to light, and Contra/Mr. E tried to lynch him two days ago.  He also was seered green by K-Night (which I completely forgot about????)  It's possible he's a master wolf.  Hell, I think it's likely that the last wolf is a master wolf.

Basically, Dude doesn't seem like a likely wolf partner with Contra, and Slow doesn't seem like a likely wolf partner for either Contra or Liggy.  I feel more strongly about Dude being not a wolf with Contra than I do about either of the connections between Slow and Liggy/Contra, but I'm not sure about the two added together.

I forgot my own defense.

Verm:  Honestly at the start of this night phase I probably would have lynched me tomorrow.  But then I realized a key point in my defense:  It's been proven that I was telling the truth about my power.  Bubbles could only have died from a wolf kill, and the fact that she was a serial killer means that there aren't two wolf factions.  Now, either you assume that she chose the roleblock over the seer/kill combo (which I really doubt) or I'm telling the truth about my power.  And being immune to the loner seems like a pretty shitty power for a wolf to have.  (adding this bit in after the fact) There's no way I'd have made the wolfings that were made.  Usually when I wolf Mashi night 1, there's a reason for it (and yes we know Mashi was wolfed night 1 since BDS was a wolf.  With the reveal of Bubbles as 3rd party, I don't think that there's two factions of wolves).  And there's no way in hell I'd kill FireArrow last night.  Even when I go for "unconventional" wolfings it's usually because the player in question looks really human.

Well, it's going to be Dude or SlowPokemon this phase, and I'm leaning towards Dude.

vermilionvermin is certainly human. Last phase, he decided to push for a Mr. E lynch rather than a SlowPokemon or Dude one, both of which I would have been willing to go for. Why would a wolf decide to push for a lynch of a box keeper rather than an inactive who I was open to having killed? And then a similar thing happened tonight. He knew that I would have been open to lynching FireArrow, so why would he be wolfed? He makes interesting choices sometimes, but these are extremely surprising, and I don't think he would take big risks like that so near the end of the game.

SlowPokemon has been acting completely ridiculous this whole game, and I don't know if he would do that if he were a wolf. I think humans are far more likely to not really care about a game than wolves are. Plus he made a comment along the lines of "how am i still alive" which makes me think he was expecting his stupid behavior to get him lynched. I honestly doubt that he would even be active enough to make wolfings (although I suppose that if he were, he could have made the mistake of wolfing FireArrow). Then again, the 4 day night phases probably would have given him plenty of time to get a wolfing in.

The only reason I thought Dude might be human was because of his "I guarantee SlowPokemon is the last wolf" post. Had we lynched SlowPokemon, the game wouldn't have been over and he would have been in a very bad spot if he were a wolf. But I guess if the alternative was him being lynched (which seemed to be the case) he might have made a last-ditch effort like that. Plus, I think him changing his vote to Mr. E made perfect sense. Otherwise, he would have looked wolfy for saying his suspicion was the last wolf while the game continued on. By going for verm's choice, it took the responsibility off of him.

One possibility we haven't really considered was that the wolves may not know each other. It could be something like the "first person to send in a wolfing" system we've seen in other games. If so, we can ignore any player's suspicions against other players. I think this is a scenario we should at least keep in mind.

Also, we don't really need to worry about instas occurring as long as we don't put more than one vote on a person until we've decided to lynch them.

Again, Slow is the wolf.

Dude what question did you ask Toby 2 night phases ago?

I think dude is more likely

Quote from: vermilionvermin on September 20, 2013, 11:13:51 PMDude what question did you ask Toby 2 night phases ago?

lol nothing i just wanted to piss bird off

Quote from: Dude on September 15, 2013, 10:15:18 AMphase extension plz

you never replied to my question boy!!!

I think the question and your apparent desire to piss me off were two separate issues.

ok fine Dude

I lose~

I was basically trying to give up once liggy died but then idk.

had i wolfed slow instead of fa I probably could have had a better chance at winning, but oh well.

Suck my toe.

you want me to lock the topic now then???

is the game over???

Eh?

Did someone delete a post?

iirc, my vote was the first post on this page.

I-I-I-Insta!

The Boy's Forest of Tears


What you can do with the little red boxes:

You can give your box to anyone you want, but not yourself.  If you deposit any box you collected into the tree stump you may choose one of the following:
   -An amount of Four Boxes allow the user to use a Guard
   -An amount of Five Boxes allow a player to use a Kill
   -An amount of Three Boxes allow a player to use an Seer
   -An amount of One Box allows a player to use a Bodyguard
   -An amount of Two Boxes allows a player to use a role block

I won't be happy with anyone who steals leftover boxes.

Chit Chat, anyone? (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)

Vote Count:

Bird  - Dude
SlowPokemon -
Dude – Slowpokemon Dude
Vermilionvermin – Dude

Dude - 3
___________________________________________________

01. Mashi - Box Keeper Number 5
02. Thiannon - Human
03. Bird
04. BlackDragonSlayer - Brown Wolf
05. Bubbles - Third Party Serial Killer
06. Mariolegofan - Mason
07. SlowPokemon
08. MaestroUGC - Human
09. Dude
10. Liggy - Wolf
11. Fank009 - Guardian
12. TheZeldaPianist275
13. K-NiGhT
14. FireArrow - Box Keeper
15. Mr. Tanooki Suit
16. Contranegative
17. Mr. E
18. Vermilionvermin

It was going to be the last day for everyone. They would either get out the forest today, or the evil would leave tonight.

Player 7 was unconscious so it was up to players 3, 9 and 18. They were all tired, hungry and ready to leave. Players 3 and 18 looked as if they wouldn't even make it to the end of day. Player 9 looked fit and healthy though, looked as if he had some food in him.

"How come you're not tired and hungry like the rest of us" groaned player 18.
"I, err... rationed my Player 15 well" replied player 9.
"Your still eating player 15?" Butted in player 3.
"Uh, yeah?" replied player 9.
"Where have you been keeping it?" interrogated player 3
"In  my... err... back pack!"
"I don't see a back pack."
"Me either" Chipped in player 18.
"Did I s-say b-back pack? I meant, p-p-pockets" player 9 stuttered
"You don't have any- HEY, where you going?" player 18 called

At this moment player 9 was running, he panicked, knew they were on to him, knew this was the end, knew he wouldn't make it out. He wasn't going to let them torchure him though, no, no, no. Although they looked week, they had the weapons - the sharp sticks. They were the camp leaders of course. They had to be armed. Player 9 ran for his life. Ran through the forest as player 3 and 18 followed.

But then player 9 stopped. He stopped at a tall tree covered in ivy with branches coming from all directions. He ran looked back and noticed he had made quite a distance between players 3 and 18. He could climb the tree and hide up there without them noticing.

He began climbing, higher and higher. He began to turn wolf. Not full wolf, just part wolf. His hair grew, his nails grew, his hands and feet green, his teeth grew, he was becoming a huge beast. He climbed as high as he thought would be safe and stood on a long, thick branch.

Players 3 and 18 began to come closer to the tree. He could see them directly below him. They stopped and started talking. He couldn't make out what they were saying. If they looked up they would see him. They'd come get him, kill him. He tried to move and hide behind some leaves but as he did he rustled a branch and the 2 players below looked up. They found him. Player 18 began climbing, using the ivy to help. Player 9 had an idea. He could die like this. Not stabbed by a stick from up in a tree. He had to die with dignity. He couldn't be murdered. He cut a long rope of ivy from the tree using his long, sharp nails. He began using one end to tie to the branch he was standing on and then he tied the other end around his neck. He crouched down and sat on his branch. He slid off the branch and his feet dangled in the air. 1- The ivy snapped. He started falling through the branches, he wasn't quite dead yet, flip flopping from the branches he could hear his bones break. He fell to the ground let out a big breath and then player 3's sharp stick came piercing through his throat...

Dude has been lynched.

The End Has Come.

The Game is Over. Human's Win..

Bird, Slowpokemon and Vermilionvermin have returned to their own lives.

Bird was a Mason - He was born with a twin at birth and apart from knowing someone else from the game he was just a normal human.

Slowpokemon was a Human - He was a boring petty man, he has nothing to live for. Coming to my forest was the highlight of his life. May the world be disappointed he didn't die in my forest.

Vermilionvermin was a 1 shot Iron Bodyguard - Since he was tough he could survive one death, but this wasn't all. He was a very convincing fella who could convince enemies to kill him instead of others.


I am The Boy and this has been My Forest of Tears. Perhaps one day I shall return with something else. Anyone up for a school lesson some day?