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Title: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 14, 2008, 11:21:51 PM
Hello everyone. Sirus and vgmfreak both contacted me, and I said I would help out with this project some time in mid-may. Well here I am. Though I don't know where to start, but first I need to hire some people. Tip: Always start a theme that's well-known and end it with that same theme. In this case it's Mario's theme.

Summarizing from vgmfreak's hierarchy. Master Orchestrators are in charge of overseeing the entire project. Co-Master orchestrators are in charge of overseeing a section of the project (ei. Mario's theme, the legend of zelda main theme, etc.); please stick to one theme. Arrangers are servants to the co-master orchestrator and master orchestrator. :D All you do is listen to what the higher-ups say and arrange, but do stick to one theme. Instrumental specialist are in charge of checking for notation errors in their field; you don't have to stick to one theme and may work together with the arrangers. Advisors are the master orchestrator's assistants. Keen ears and the ability to pay attention to detail is key for this position. Lastly, anyone including everyone within the hierarchy can suggest any theme they like.

Master Orchestrator: Megan and Brian
      Advisors:
Co-Master Orchestrator:
Arrangers:

Instrumental Specialist
Woodwind:
Brass: Daniel
Strings: Devin, Leo
Percussion:
Choir:
Keyboard:
Plucked Strings:

When suggesting a theme, please state what key signature it's in (major or minor?) and what tempo approximately. Also state what your real name is.

Edit: Before I begin. I need to know how big are your orchestras?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 15, 2008, 03:32:19 AM
Whoot Whoot! Master Orchestrating string master in the house!

And welcome Brian!
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 15, 2008, 11:40:28 AM
Glad you could join. Now waiting for others. I'll work on the Mario theme first thing.

In the meantime go over this list everyone List of top-selling games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games) or List of franchise games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises). If it is not in the list, then you may suggest a game. Since I don't play every game in the world, I want you to select the main themes of several games. The main themes are first priority since it is very recognizable. Remember to choose a main theme that represents the franchise, not the game itself. We're doing it for the audience who aren't familiar with video game music.

For those who are unfamiliar with orchestrating or just unsure, check this link out. http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=77
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 15, 2008, 12:17:00 PM
I can do the Zelda theme. (Oh yeah....totally called it)
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 15, 2008, 02:31:40 PM
So what are your plans when you arrange LoZ main theme? You need to remix it by attaching "variations" of those themes after the main theme such as the overworld from majora's mask in minor, the overworld theme from link's awakening, and Tal Tal heights for example. All these songs are very much related and is easy to transition and connect. Be careful not to arrange the whole thing of the main theme since we want to save time for the other themes.

The Super Smash Bros. franchise does a well job in remixing and connecting songs together. Try listening to a couple of LoZ songs from there.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 15, 2008, 02:34:34 PM
I was thinking of blending various overworld themes and Zelda's lullaby theme which should be nice since Zelda music tends to stay in A minor...it will be nice...oh boy...this will rock out loud. ^_^

Smash Bros. does do a very nice job with their music.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 15, 2008, 03:04:32 PM
I shall help in the Brass! ;D after all I am a trumpet player. So sign me up! I'll do Metroid!
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 15, 2008, 03:24:08 PM
Well, you said Sirus was helping, but I could oversee the string parts. Like the string instrument specialist. I'm good at looking for mistakes. Sirus can do the actual arranging parts, (as could I if you need me to) and I could look over them for mistakes.

Oh, and this needs an Animal Crossing song! Go K.K. Rider ftw!
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: killers4793 on May 15, 2008, 03:28:13 PM
is this the same as the great melody cause that is the one i have asked to be written
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 15, 2008, 03:41:55 PM
No. no...it's not the same.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 15, 2008, 04:00:14 PM
Metroid will oversee the brasses and be co-master orchestrator of Metroid. Hugomeister will oversee the strings (waiting for a reply from sirus...). Please state your real names. I don't want the conductor or the teacher to be seeing someone's name as metroidhunter26 or hugomeister :D

Here's an arrangement I did way back. http://files.filefront.com/Dark+Overworldmp3/;9956314;/fileinfo.html. You'll get an idea how it will sound as the final product.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 15, 2008, 04:04:58 PM
My name is Megan Murphy...Whoot, Irish pride! I am a violin and a flute player both in Irish and classical styles I also play viola, saxophone, and mandolin...sorry...I'm so use to telling something about myself in my intro. ^_^
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 15, 2008, 04:10:55 PM
Well, seeing as everyone on NSM will see the final product anyway, might as well come out with my name.

I be Devin Kovic. w00t German heritage.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: killers4793 on May 15, 2008, 04:25:32 PM
i want to help on strings tell me wat song and ill do it and my name is david greene
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 15, 2008, 04:26:51 PM
Yay! Now I can steal your identity! (Kidding, duh, haha.)

We need to disscuss how we're going to organize this.

Also...here's a recent arrangement of mine if anyone wants to know what I'm bringing to the table.
http://www.mediafire.com/?dggeonznled
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: starpikachu on May 15, 2008, 04:46:28 PM
erm...I'm not gonna try to help, so I'm sorry for posting here...I just wanted to tell megan what an awesome mother arrangement that was ;D
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 15, 2008, 04:47:17 PM
Aw, thank you. ^_^
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 15, 2008, 04:54:21 PM
My name is Daniel (Danny) Castro! and my recent arragment is http://www.mediafire.com/?3zqzxc2dvxm  Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

All right so I just make a Metroid song and we just glue it into the finished product? or do we play hot potato where Hugo does one part gives it to Goldfish to do some more then to brian, sirus then me?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 16, 2008, 01:04:24 PM
sorry for the delay on the reply..
okay...
my name is Leo Kim
play cello and i have a basic knowledge on the other strings
Yay! Devin's in it too!
i cant do it alone b/c im not the best at arranging...  :-[
but ill try my best

great to have you back brian!
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 16, 2008, 01:24:18 PM
This is going to be fun!  ^_^
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 16, 2008, 01:27:41 PM
Quote from: random_goldfish on May 16, 2008, 01:24:18 PMThis is going to be fun!  ^_^
this is going to be fun but this is going to be difficult putting our parts together to match each part
before we start we should decide on which days we meet and compare our parts and put them together
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: killers4793 on May 16, 2008, 01:29:08 PM
brian do you have a score of your piece i could  see?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 16, 2008, 01:29:49 PM
I already started some Zelda things...have to admit that I haven't gotten that far though...we should wait for some others to check back in and we can discuss this.

I'm available most days from 3-7
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 16, 2008, 02:42:21 PM
I'm now availible to make this I'm starting on a Metroid Song right now but what instruments are we useing?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 16, 2008, 02:46:43 PM
I've been doing full score with no saxes though because they aren't traditionally in the symphony score.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 16, 2008, 02:49:23 PM
Call on me whenever you need me. I have a lot of free time. :P

I'm a specialist of upper strings (violin, viola) and I'm assuming Sirus is lower strings (cello, bass).

You guys think using chat would be a good idea for quick communications? We could have a weekly (or daily, semi-weekly, etc) date to check up on each other and discuss what needs done.

And out of the random:
Lol, MH26, you've inspired me. I'm arranging "Still Alive" for string orchestra with optional percussion. :P
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 16, 2008, 03:02:51 PM
That's a good idea! ^_^

And I think these string parts are going to be jammin' because I specialize in strings too...especially upper strings.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 16, 2008, 03:04:54 PM
Aw hell let's just make the whole thing for Brass and Strings. :P
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 16, 2008, 03:10:01 PM
Lol this is really gonna be awesome. :D
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 16, 2008, 03:11:54 PM
We need woodwinds too! I also specialize there...so it will be all cool...we need a really great percussion person though...
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 16, 2008, 03:13:33 PM
Well, we need everything, obviously. :P

Hmmm....percussion.....Who would be good for that? ???
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 16, 2008, 03:15:29 PM
I can only do pretty basic things like bells, snare, bass, and timpini...but nothing fancy ...and I can doIrish folk drums...T_T...which really doesn't help...haha.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 16, 2008, 06:02:21 PM
I have AIM and yahoo messenger. I use AIM more often though. What do you guys use?

Finished updating the list. It's not that hard to connect the pieces together. Now my question is, how long can you survive? I also need to know what instruments does your school use (orchestra, not band).

Omg I'm looking at this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises and there's no way I can cover all the "well-known popular" franchises.
Anyways to save time I'm going to be combining themes into one. This is very difficult, but it's possible. If you can do the same, then go for it!
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 16, 2008, 06:15:43 PM
Well, I mainly use Irc chat, but I have an AIM. Check my profile for it. :P

My school orchestra uses violins, violas, cello's, and string basses. We only do one full orchestra song a year...sometimes....
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 16, 2008, 09:47:18 PM
same here
we have a string orchestra
im on yahoo dont have aim  :P
sometimes on IRC Chat
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: killers4793 on May 17, 2008, 11:35:17 AM
if you need drums i have some ppl who are pros at doing it and they will help
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 18, 2008, 01:51:37 PM
besides percussion
were missing woodwind choir keyboard and plucked strings
by plucked string you mean like guitars,banjos, mandolin etc. right?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 18, 2008, 01:53:08 PM
I can do woodwinds too...I play sax and flute so I know the game. I'm in choir too so I know some of that trade as well.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 18, 2008, 05:28:29 PM
I'm out of it right now so it may take A LITTLE longer for me to actually make the song. and I can't decide on wich Metroid song to do. >_<
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 18, 2008, 05:32:28 PM
Hey...as far as I see it we got some time...so take it easy.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 18, 2008, 07:18:24 PM
I just finished an intro to a Zelda thing if anyone want to check it out.

http://www.mediafire.com/?bmmwdwytdcn

(Not fan of double posting but that's how the cookie crumbled...)
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 18, 2008, 08:56:35 PM
Damn. I keep playing LoZ on my piano. I like LoZ music than Mario cuz it sounds more epic :-\ I think I'm gonna do LoZ just to get it out of my head lol.

Anyways. I checked your arrangement out megan. Hmm, firstly be very careful with pitch range. The Horns and trumpet Bb are out of range. People love to place octaves for single instruments (like what you did with the horns and trombone). It really isn't necessary imo. In the future try to stay away from duplicating the same notes for every instruments or else it will just sound like a bunch of chords with a single melody line blaring at the audience regardless of what octave region they're in. Counter-melody are good. The thing I like about woodwinds is that they do provide counter-melody. Lastly make sure there are no collisions. The expressions are colliding into the notes and articulations. However this is only a rough draft so it doesn't matter, but in the final version it will.

It is ok to semi-compose something for your arrangement. It is suppose to be an arrangement, not a transcription.

Edit: I'm beginning to wonder if arranging a video game suite is feasible. I really do want to combine different franchises, but doing so will take hours. I don't want to tire the musicians or worst of all tire the audience out. Maybe we should make it at most 20min. I really dont know what's the longest time a general school orchestra can play. Don't want to go overtime.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 19, 2008, 03:38:24 AM
I admit that the horn part is almost at the top of the horn but it's not impossible...just not a lot of wiggle room...the trumpet part though...is no where near pushing it...I wanted the intro to be sort of pure and lavish which is why there isn't a whole lot going on...but I am going to add some glamour...I was just going down the "get my idea down first" path since it is somewhat composed. When the song gets going some parts are going to branch out but you can never have too much going on or the piece will fall into chaos...as far as the ocatives...I know...haha...but they will go away.

I'll worry about the collisions when it's clean up time at the end.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 19, 2008, 12:55:07 PM
For those in band or orchestra, what's the longest performance time you guys have played without taking breaks? 20 minutes? I need to know ahead of time.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 19, 2008, 12:57:19 PM
New World Symphony's Finale...15 minutes at least.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 19, 2008, 12:59:47 PM
I once played "Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis". Took about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 19, 2008, 02:07:43 PM
Symphony No.25- 8 minutes  :-[
i feel so wimpy
im sure we can play much more
but our orchestra teacher obviously doubts we can
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 19, 2008, 03:29:17 PM
Alright lets make it about 20 minutes more or less, somewhere around there. Hmm about 10-15 franchises I would say. I did a quick google search and the longest performance time is somewhere from 45 min to 1 hour; no breaks.

My random suggestions: Super Mario Bros., the Legend of Zelda, Sonic the Hedgehog, Super Smash Bros. (their themes), F-Zero, Kirby, Starfox, Pokemon, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Tetris, Metal Gear, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger/Cross, Halo, Banjo Kazooie, Megaman, Kingdom Hearts, Street Fighter, and err... many many more :D

I watched your video Sirus. Does your school only do string quintet? Well the entire music class has to be motivated if they're gonna persuade the teacher. Otherwise I can see why your teacher doesn't think you guys can do it. Sure you can do it by yourself, but the others... how are they?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 19, 2008, 03:32:36 PM
If we do Kingdom Hearts, would we be doing the orchestrated Hikari and Passion songs? That would be awesome. In fact, I wouldn't mind taking up Passion. :D
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: killers4793 on May 19, 2008, 07:09:58 PM
i think my orchestra can do 30 or more min easly but we are the top public orchestra in the state
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on May 19, 2008, 08:05:37 PM
The Planet Suite is 50 minutes long...I love that suite...Holst rules.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 19, 2008, 08:30:49 PM
Can someone tell me where to find this theme? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSN0A43i_oA
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 19, 2008, 08:55:27 PM
I would like to take over the Metroid,Star Fox,Metal Gear Solid,Halo, & Banjo-Kazooie franchises if we are going to do 20 min GREAT Video Game Orchestral Suite!



(And on a greedier note can we also make one for concert band but a little more shorter [like 2-3 min] so My band can play it ;D and I'll record it!)
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 19, 2008, 10:53:25 PM
Here are the instruments I'm gonna be using.

Piccolo; Flute 1,2; Oboe 1,2; Clarinet 1,2; Bass clarinet; Bassoon 1,2; Horn 1,2; Horn 3,4; trumpet 1,2,3 (divided into 2 staves); Trombone 1,2,3 (divided into 2 staves); Tuba; Harp; Piano; Violin 1; Violin 2; Viola; Cello; Contrabass. Timpani; Cymbals; Glockenspiel (bells); Tubular Bells; Snare drum; Basic orch percussion; Marimba, xylophone. No choir. I don't see many schools combining orchestra with choirs. The reason being is that your voices at this age are not maturely developed enough so I decided to take it off the list (not many of you are in college yet).

I have to go back and check on the tutorials to make sure it's right. It needs to be very well balanced when grouping instruments together unless someone can tell me if it's right.

Some of you people are probably out of it. If that's the case, don't start with a very large score, it can be mind-numbing. Start with something like a piano duet or an instrument you're good at. Play, improvise, and arrange with your real instrument. Grab a notepad and jot down a list of songs you think will transition well. Play it out in your head before attempting to arrange the songs. After you figure it out, grab some already made mus files on NSM or extract the notation from a midi at vgmusic just to get your ideas down. Though... *looks at G-han* not all arrangements on this site are good.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 20, 2008, 11:56:30 AM
Well, to be honest, my orchestra combines more with our choir than we do with the band. :P

Songs I would love to work on:


Omg Baba Yetu from Civilization IV (http://www.mediafire.com/?ubummg4utu6) would be awesome! Be a good song to use choir for too.

Oh, and Kingdom Hearts: Fantasia Alla Marcia for Piano, Chorus, and Orchestra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqpHhNZHrGg) would be awesome too, but I can't do things like this by ear....

Quote from: Brian on May 19, 2008, 08:30:49 PMCan someone tell me where to find this theme? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSN0A43i_oA

I don't recall hearing that in-game. Is that the demo music?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 20, 2008, 01:55:41 PM
Ok I'll add the Choirs (SATB). The score was really small when I added them. I haven't used the lyrics tool in Finale so I think it's worth a try.

I just googled windwaker main theme and I found that. It sounds like the ocean theme, but slightly different. I searched the soundtracks, and I couldn't find it. I really like that song.

Those songs you mentioned, can you provide an mp3? I wanna listen to it.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 20, 2008, 03:18:53 PM
I'll be away for a couple days. I gotta fulfill some requests at vgsheets. Can't leave those people waiting.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 20, 2008, 06:21:25 PM
I added links to the above post. I appologize for the K.K. rider one. :P
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 23, 2008, 08:22:03 PM
I'm back! I wanna do random songs though. I don't want to do Mario all the way in section A then LoZ in section B, etc. Best if it's random since during my sleep I began putting themes I already know together. I'll see if I can upload a couple ost.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 23, 2008, 09:10:29 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 23, 2008, 08:22:03 PMI'm back! I wanna do random songs though. I don't want to do Mario all the way in section A then LoZ in section B, etc. Best if it's random since during my sleep I began putting themes I already know together. I'll see if I can upload a couple ost.
Like what kind of random songs! like songs people might know? (If so that would be SHWEET!! I would put Jump in the line XD and Children of Sanchez XD)
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 23, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
It has to pertain to video games. I found the perfect theme for you while I was listening to SSBB.

Metroid Prime - Samus' Theme Song sounds VERY similar to the menu theme from SSBM (I never played metroid nor SSBM before sadly). Use that to transition those themes together. You can skip around and experiment with different themes. Doesn't have to be Metroid all the way and that's it for that.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 24, 2008, 12:38:54 PM
Omg where is everybody. Alright here's a sample I made. Listen to it. Ignore tempo and key signature and use your imagination.

http://www.mediafire.com/?4zo0npmyyej
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: HugoMeister on May 24, 2008, 01:04:15 PM
So wait...its random bits of songs strung together? I was under the impression we'd do an entire song from a game, and then transition into another one. :P
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 24, 2008, 01:34:36 PM
Quote from: HugoMeister on May 24, 2008, 01:04:15 PMSo wait...its random bits of songs strung together? I was under the impression we'd do an entire song from a game, and then transition into another one. :P

I don't know what would the co-orchestrator's job would be since it's so difficult to stick with one game all the time. You may still do so if you wish. But how can you resist if one theme sounds like another theme from a different game :D So yeah... I decided to make it random. I'm trying to locate similarities between different games. That mp3 sample is just an example.

@MH26: can you put those 2 themes together?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 24, 2008, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 24, 2008, 12:38:54 PMOmg where is everybody. Alright here's a sample I made. Listen to it. Ignore tempo and key signature and use your imagination.

http://www.mediafire.com/?4zo0npmyyej

hmm..
the mix itself is good but back up
werent we doing a suite from one franchise?
but if we're doing this ill just do this since ur the top boss
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 24, 2008, 07:15:27 PM
I already knew we were doing a HUGE suite for all kinds of Video games.
And the Mixdown is GREAT! but we actually have to make it to be INCREDIBLE!!!! Can't wait! XD

Quote from: Brian on May 23, 2008, 09:57:28 PMIt has to pertain to video games. I found the perfect theme for you while I was listening to SSBB.

Metroid Prime - Samus' Theme Song sounds VERY similar to the menu theme from SSBM (I never played metroid nor SSBM before sadly). Use that to transition those themes together. You can skip around and experiment with different themes. Doesn't have to be Metroid all the way and that's it for that.
I was already going to do that one XD and that song is from Super Metroid and it's the ending theme of Super Metroid. ;)



BTW the mixdown is the template right?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 24, 2008, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: Sirus on May 24, 2008, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 24, 2008, 12:38:54 PMOmg where is everybody. Alright here's a sample I made. Listen to it. Ignore tempo and key signature and use your imagination.

http://www.mediafire.com/?4zo0npmyyej

hmm..
the mix itself is good but back up
werent we doing a suite from one franchise?
but if we're doing this ill just do this since ur the top boss

You thought we were doing only one franchise from beginning to end? Lol sorry if I wasn't clear in the beginning. I called it a "video game" suite. Video game as in every franchise there is into one suite as much as possible. The purpose is to please the audience; I'm doing it for the audience, not for self interest. If you did only one franchise, somebody in that audience isn't going to know what the heck you're playing. So... a video game suite will play several franchises and I hope they will recognize some tunes besides the popular mario theme. Now I really need you guys to pick out songs that will match up pretty well. The metroid theme and SSBB were the best match so I'll leave it to MH26. The battle theme from FF6 and FF? (also found in super mario rpg) are also good matches. I also found a good match for the main theme of fire emblem, but I forgot what it was XD. Another thing, try to stay away from using percussion as a means of transitioning from one theme to another. It really sounds bad. *cough* Sonic 1 and 2 staff roll *cough*.

template? it's only an example. But it could turn out to be the real thing. who knows lol.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 25, 2008, 04:27:23 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 24, 2008, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: Sirus on May 24, 2008, 07:07:58 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 24, 2008, 12:38:54 PMOmg where is everybody. Alright here's a sample I made. Listen to it. Ignore tempo and key signature and use your imagination.

http://www.mediafire.com/?4zo0npmyyej

hmm..
the mix itself is good but back up
werent we doing a suite from one franchise?
but if we're doing this ill just do this since ur the top boss

You thought we were doing only one franchise from beginning to end? Lol sorry if I wasn't clear in the beginning. I called it a "video game" suite. Video game as in every franchise there is into one suite as much as possible. The purpose is to please the audience; I'm doing it for the audience, not for self interest. If you did only one franchise, somebody in that audience isn't going to know what the heck you're playing. So... a video game suite will play several franchises and I hope they will recognize some tunes besides the popular mario theme. Now I really need you guys to pick out songs that will match up pretty well. The metroid theme and SSBB were the best match so I'll leave it to MH26. The battle theme from FF6 and FF? (also found in super mario rpg) are also good matches. I also found a good match for the main theme of fire emblem, but I forgot what it was XD. Another thing, try to stay away from using percussion as a means of transitioning from one theme to another. It really sounds bad. *cough* Sonic 1 and 2 staff roll *cough*.

template? it's only an example. But it could turn out to be the real thing. who knows lol.
Well it sounded great. So the Brawl Theme and Super Metroid Ending are mine ;D YES! I'll start when I can!
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 25, 2008, 04:50:34 PM
Whoops I meant SSBM, not SSBB. Though it can be found in SSBB.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 25, 2008, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 25, 2008, 04:50:34 PMWhoops I meant SSBM, not SSBB. Though it can be found in SSBB.
So no Brawl? and you mean the song in the opening cutscene in Melee right?
but then which Metroid song did you meen? The one from brawl or melee?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 25, 2008, 06:33:26 PM
Do you have the SSBB ost?

D05 - Metroid Prime - Samus' Theme Song
W30 - Smash Bros Melee - Menu 1

There are so many variations to it, but the melody should be the same. Try to use all different variations if you can.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 25, 2008, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: Brian on May 25, 2008, 06:33:26 PMDo you have the SSBB ost?

D05 - Metroid Prime - Samus' Theme Song
W30 - Smash Bros Melee - Menu 1

There are so many variations to it, but the melody should be the same. Try to use all different variations if you can.
The menu theme I have but... you have confused me with the first one. The only theme there is for Samus is for Super Metroid not Metroid Prime.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 25, 2008, 09:42:36 PM
ok that clears things up
but seriously we need a percussionist
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 25, 2008, 10:14:06 PM
Quote from: Sirus on May 25, 2008, 09:42:36 PMok that clears things up
but seriously we need a percussionist

I'll take care of that
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 26, 2008, 10:53:50 AM
I know one who made his own song and they played it on graduation! it was SICK! and he graduated so mabey I can reach him. (But he did tell me in priesthood that he'd be VERY busy)
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 27, 2008, 01:27:34 PM
Requesting Delfino Plaza, Bianco Hills, and Ricco Harbor all combined into one (playing simultaneously). Do not copy everything note for note or else it will sound wrong. Use music theory to pick the right chording. Also requesting the main theme for NEW Super Mario Bros. and music from Mario Kart Wii.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 27, 2008, 05:08:22 PM
thats kinda gonna be hard to make it sound right  :-\
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 27, 2008, 06:43:22 PM
I'm starting diffrent projects before this one (So i can get more expeirence) and My arrangment is just the Ending Theme for Metroid. but For the Medly suite thing were doing I'm doing the Super Metroid ending and the Menu theme of Melee because they sound very alike.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 28, 2008, 05:06:02 PM
You guys gotta listen to this. Took me a couple days to get my ideas across. Anyways I extracted them from midis like vgmusic and got the arrangements from my pre-made arrangements that I've arranged in the past as well as NSM (G-han's arrangements were a pain in the ass no offense). All mario and only 1 Zelda. I'm having a tough time trying to transition to a different franchise... oh well. I looked everywhere for a midi of "Everyone's a Super Star" from Mario Party, but to no avail so I just cut out a piece of the original song and pasted it in there. I just listened to rainbow road from Mario Kart Wii and it sounds exactly like Good Egg Galaxy. So... I'm going to use that in between Good Egg/Gusty Garden Galaxy and Everyone's a Super Star/Super Mario RPG medley. Just to note that this is only a template. Do not tell me it's missing percussion, there's no bass, etc.

After 6 min when it cuts off, Super Mario Sunshine will go there as mentioned above. After that I hope I transition to a different game. Too much Mario lol.

http://www.mediafire.com/?0n0xmfqvbdt

Requests: "Everyone's a Super Star - Mario Party", "Rainbow Road - Mario Kart Wii", "Delfino Plaza, Bianco Hills, and Ricco Harbor combined - Super Mario Sunshine"
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 28, 2008, 05:34:51 PM
That's a good template. But I have to ask you can how will we combine the songs? and Will we need to dish out every trick in the book to make this incredible and should we also make this playable or just Ear candy were theres also sound effects and all that stuff we can't realy imitate with percussion and etc.?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brawler4Ever on May 30, 2008, 08:46:48 AM
How long do you want the Super Mario Sunshine part to be?


[EDIT]: Um..I finished my orchestration. I hope it's what you wanted (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?gvexdgqvcx5).
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 30, 2008, 08:23:14 PM
You didn't by any chance just pulled the notation out of a midi and pasted it in there did you? It doesn't sound right. Do you have knowledge of music theory? It may help you put them together. It doesn't have to sound exactly as it is, but should be familiar. The melody is the utmost important part of a song than anything else. Disregard the chords and bass and choose one that fits. The guitar chords in Delfino Plaza was a very bad choice. It clashes with the melody.

Download my incomplete game medley mp3 to see how I combined different themes. The Underwater theme (SMB) and overworld theme from SMW was put together at 00:29-00:49. You'll notice the pizzicato strings are playing the overworld theme from SMW, but not exactly. However it is still noticeable.  The underwater theme was going to be my primary medley so other themes must obey its chording unless changed by the composer's discretion (ei. at 00:48 it was Emaj so I changed it to Cmaj). I also added bits of the sun song (LoZ) in there too. Overall do not be afraid to alter its form.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mcd2mm351ym

PS: I haven't seen Megan in awhile. You still there?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on May 30, 2008, 08:34:13 PM
She has been gone awhile now  ??? don't know. And BTW what program do you use to make the Mp3?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brawler4Ever on May 31, 2008, 08:04:41 AM
Quote from: Brian on May 14, 2008, 11:21:51 PMArrangers are servants to the co-master orchestrator and master orchestrator. :D All you do is listen to what the higher-ups say and arrange, but do stick to one theme.
Basically, that's me.  :)
1. I did take the songs out of midis. I'm not arranging at playing by ear. At all.
2. No. I have no knowledge of music theory.   :(
3. It's hard for me. I can only have 8 staves (unless I edit an-already made midi).  :'(
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 31, 2008, 11:38:06 AM
I made the mp3 using Adobe Audition (it aint free). LAME is another high-quality mp3 converter that's free.

@Brawler. Try working with the melody alone. Choose the dominant song you're going to use. Then ensure that other songs follow it. This requires altering the notation of course.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 31, 2008, 03:29:17 PM
the mp3 was really good
oh btw do you still want us to do the 3 songs in 1 playing at the same time?
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on May 31, 2008, 06:32:58 PM
Yes. I can just change the key sig when it's time to use it. Lol I think it's starting to become a Mario suite XD I can't seem to get out of there (been over 6 min now). Mario is probably hypnotizing me from Mushroom Kingdom lmao. Mario's evil. Speaking of evil, you guys gotta listen to my dark overworld theme for evil mario at apollomix. It's funny.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on May 31, 2008, 08:03:28 PM
lol, ill do that  :)
*goes to listen to the song at apollomix*
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on June 04, 2008, 07:24:19 PM
Taking summer classes now. I'll be very, very busy. Megan will take charge. But even she's not here... Who wants to be a temporary master orchestrator while I'm gone? Do continue on this project while I'm gone though. I gotta hear MH26's metroid/SSBM medley and the Mario sunshine combo medley as well as other combinations and medleys.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on June 05, 2008, 08:12:39 AM
 :-\ That might be a problem considering that VG music is out and I didn't get the midi's (That's how I arrange but I sometimes add extra stuff)
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on June 23, 2008, 08:50:14 PM
Well I havn't started on my arrangment. >____> but I will and mabey I can't but I will try. I can do any instruments right? I already got this full orchestra Template I did long ago ready to use.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on July 23, 2008, 01:09:52 PM
Haha...so what IS going on with this? Sorry I haven't been around. I'm leaving for college in about 3 weeks and my time has been taken up by preperations.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on July 23, 2008, 01:17:08 PM
My only problem with the mixdown is the transition into themes...it's all WAY too sudden. It all needs to build and play into one another. The great medly on the other hand is fantastic.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Brian on July 23, 2008, 04:20:29 PM
Didn't expect anyone to revive this topic. The mixdown isn't the real thing. I was just playing around with it, and I would never use it considering how it transitions too suddennly as you've said. The game medley I arranged might be the real thing so far.

To be honest, this is much more difficult than I thought. I have to listen to a lot of the video games, which I don't have time to do. I decided to start on something light so I began working on a LoZ medley for solo piano. So far I got over 400 measures (over 13 minutes) for this LoZ medley. I've actually went through the entire LoZ soundtracks and picked them all out (including SSBB) ;D

I will take requests for LoZ, but I won't guarantee it will be going in. Main themes and Overworlds from all the LoZ games have been taken care of.
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on July 23, 2008, 04:50:55 PM
I admit I couldn't do it either I was also working on something else an Arrangment for the Metroid Finale (Credits) Theme for Orchestra ;D and it sounds very good the best I have so far ever done!
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: Sirus on July 23, 2008, 07:27:14 PM
im working on several projects so ill be busy :P
Title: Re: Orchestral Video Game Suite
Post by: random_goldfish on July 23, 2008, 08:42:39 PM
I've been working on my own compositions more to tell the truth...I've been working on a Zelda's Lullaby thing though...yay.