http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3755108
:3
Me VS FSM-reapr:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3755960
Rematch against Jompa:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3756321
Damn, I was hoping you wouldn't be posting that D: I lost sooo bad
Then prepare for this:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3756817
8)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3758255 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3758255)
Random Battle, that was fun.
Making a team. I'm glad I have absolutely know idea how to play Pokemon effectively past Gen II
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on November 02, 2012, 11:06:28 AMMaking a team. I'm glad I have absolutely know idea how to play Pokemon effectively past Gen II
I just wing it... :P
No, I use knowledge of efficiency. :P Pokemon Showdown isn't the best simulator (e.g. super-effective critical hit moves barely doing any damage :P), and it's glitchy, but until we have something better, it'll do. :P
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 02, 2012, 11:58:16 AMPokemon Showdown isn't the best simulator (e.g. super-effective critical hit moves barely doing any damage :P)
I have a hard time believing that. >.>
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 02, 2012, 12:22:51 PMI have a hard time believing that. >.>
Yeah, it's true... I was in a random battle with some random person... do you need to sign up to save/share the battle recordings?
Tonight maybe, someone wants to face me?
Quote from: Nebbles on November 02, 2012, 12:59:29 PMTonight maybe, someone wants to face me?
What time...?
I call second! but for some stupid reason, it wont let me use my team that I made from White version. Is there a way to play with a team ignoring the tiers?
Dunno, we'll see. Depends on when I get home from dinner.
Flinching ftw
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3770705
My second win!!! Ah, this is so much fuuuun!!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3775662
Me VS. Sheikah
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3780020
Epic.
That spore strategy at the end, ass.
TIE GAME
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3786896
You don't see those very often, huh?
Making a team.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3789261
I got lucky with a random team...
EDIT: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3789618
Them toxic spikes... better consider using them more often...
Okay, I'm ready to battle. Find me at Nebbles.
Will edit in Fox vs Nebbles later.
Quote from: Nebbles on November 02, 2012, 10:28:32 PMOkay, I'm ready to battle. Find me at Nebbles.
Pokemon Showdown causes my computer to get glitchy... :S
But I'll be on right now...
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-randombattle3794115
BAHAHA
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/customgamenoteampreview3794490
Clever Nebbles is clever...
I think I need more Leftovers. :P
Those were some good battles, boys. c:
I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE.
GO TEAM SABIN.
BUG SWEEP IS BEST SWEEP
Quote from: Nebbles on November 02, 2012, 10:59:25 PMThose were some good battles, boys. c:
Why thank you!
:P Rematch when I refine my team more. :P More battles = more errors = more improvement from errors.
Did you get a replay of the Yanmega sweep? I didn't record and I wanted to show a friend (I'm teaching him how to competitive battle whoo)
I haaaate the speed boosters - FSM's Sharpedo.. gah..
I tested it with a Yanmega in my second win...
Me testing out skarmory - the most overpowered pokemon ever:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3797707
Quote from: Jompa on November 03, 2012, 12:41:03 AMMe testing out skarmory - the most overpowered pokemon ever:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3797707
The only problem is fire types. If Whirlwind had brought out Arcanine first, Skarmory's reign of terror would have been over much sooner. :P
Use Politoed
FSM vs. Fox.
Who will win?
Quote from: SocialFox on November 03, 2012, 02:18:36 AMFSM vs. Fox.
Who will win?
I won by using only one Pokemon, I didn't even have to switch. ;D
My computer keeps glitching.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu3807077
EPIC DERP VICTORY
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3809792 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3809792)
I love random team battles. Lol that part with shedinja, don't blink, you might miss it.
EDIT: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3810557 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3810557)
Another awesome battle, thought he had me for a while.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3811326
FUCK YEAH
wow, that guy was both unlucky, and dumb as hell
You little troll. How many tries did it take? I guess over 15.
I made a team! 3 OU, 3 UU. Mostly Gen. I because Gen. I IS TEH BEST.
Right now I'm just doing random battles with random teams and it's going pretty awesomely.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on November 03, 2012, 11:50:22 AMI made a team! 3 OU, 3 UU. Mostly Gen. I because Gen. I IS TEH BEST.
Right now I'm just doing random battles with random teams and it's going pretty awesomely.
One time I got stuck against a dark Arceus and I had a bunch of cheap Pokemon...
Heh heh...
Decided to do an actual OU battle with my team. Got into a a stalemate with a god damn Blissey until they finally forfeited.
Protect is the most idiotically cheap move I have ever seen.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on November 03, 2012, 12:27:31 PMDecided to do an actual OU battle with my team. Got into a a stalemate with a god damn Blissey until they finally forfeited.
Protect is the most idiotically cheap move I have ever seen.
Hahaha! Once, in... Pokemon Yellow, I think... I fought a Chansey that kept using Minimize... it literally took me an hour to finally hit it...
I like this game soo much..
Here's a recent battle (Win):
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3836074
Me VS. Nebbles
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3857742
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3858591
Me using my sand team yay
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 04, 2012, 01:49:04 AMMe VS. Nebbles
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3857742
All bug-teams are never a good idea. There are very few bug pokemon who are able to handle steel pokemon, like magnezone - good thing you had heracross, nebbles. Also, a quick pokemon with a fire move, would sweep the floor with you.
excuse you
I love my bug team! D: How dare you! I'm allowed to use what I like! That team has utterly destroyed before!
I just pointed out your weaknesses, I do think your bug team is awesome
me vs. Jompa. Ghost team sweep!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3858868
Jompa wanna battle? You challenged me earlier, but I was in a middle of a game, sorry. :(
EDIT: Basic Garchomp power and Gliscor wall >:D
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3859556
Sorry for double post but
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu3865223
Now that's EPIC DERP WIN
Edit: Did it again 8) http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu3865798
NEBBLES!!!!!!
WHEN CAN I BATTLE YOU?
Quote from: Nebbles on November 04, 2012, 01:46:15 AMme vs. Jompa. Ghost team sweep!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3858868
I think i did pretty well, until you sent out Driflimb.
FSM, it's okay, we can battle anytime :)
Cool, I'm online right now, so just gimme a shout when you're ready. I'll give you 3 guesses on my username, first 2 don't count. ;)
Me vs Sheikah! Another good battle with my ghosties <3
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3878899
Yeah, I had my rectum handed to me. :P But it was fun, maybe I should make a single type team and try that out.
I won again!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3880624
lol you can watch these videos on 3DS
Ok I made a LC team.
It probably sucks, but I have no one to test it on.
I'll try this out i guess.
Me owning Jompa
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3890680
Also:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3891297
Dat wall indeed
Anyone up?I wanna knock some of you suckas out.
I'll have a quick battle with you.
LET'S DO THIS THANG.
Somehow I beat Nebbles. Probably because she used all bug pokemon, and bug pokemon are kind bad imo. Also, I had more Jolteon, which is the greatest pokemon of all time, ever.
Or it was luck. Because I'm pretty sure I'm the worst pokemon player ever. Or at least on NSM.
STOP HATING ON MY BUGS DAMMIT ;_;
BUT BUTTERFREE IS THE ONLY BUG THAT MATTERS!(and maybe scyther...and pinsir)
TAKE THAT BACK
DID YOU NOT SEE THE BUTTERFREE EPISODE OF POKEMON??? THAT WAS THE SADDEST MOMENT OF MY CHLDHOOD.
I would fight you Nebbles, but my team seems to have taken a surprise vacation to I-don't-know-where. Odd. They were there earlier.
I'LL FIGHT YOU RIGHT NOW BUB.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3909482
WHAT THE HELL.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle3909753
Battle between me and SFK.
What does the battle format mean? I'm getting in on this.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on November 04, 2012, 09:32:21 PMBUT BUTTERFREE IS THE ONLY BUG THAT MATTERS!(and maybe scyther...and pinsir)
Beautifly is the best!!
Also, stop bugging Nebbles - get it? bugging..
You so punny.
I like what you're doing Nebbles. :) It takes courage to play with a monotype team. :D
Finland VS. Norway
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3924442
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 05, 2012, 09:48:30 AMFinland VS. Norway
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3924442
The only thing that can beat a breloom, is a faster breloom. The only this that can beat a gliscor, is a gliscor with toxic orb, toxic, substitute, protect, earthquake. You had both. I didn't stand a chance. Good team, sir!
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 05, 2012, 09:48:30 AMFinland VS. Norway
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3924442
that Gliscor seems so cheap to me.
Noooo SFK I am the worst. But nevertheless I will definitely battle of all of y'alls this weekend.
Quote from: spitllama on November 05, 2012, 10:05:20 AMI will definitely battle of all of y'alls this weekend.
*Nods head in an unbelievably dignified manner, and accepts challenge*
EDIT: Are there any restrictions? Or is it "anything goes"?
Quote from: K-NiGhT on November 05, 2012, 10:02:35 AMthat Gliscor seems so cheap to me.
Heh. Try fighting a Shedinja with a Focus Band... they say it only works 1/8th of the time, but it seems to work much more than that. :P
don't you guys just hate when you're totally owning someone for once, and they just leave
Like this, for instance: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3930863
-.-
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 05, 2012, 12:28:18 PMHeh. Try fighting a Shedinja with a Focus Band... they say it only works 1/8th of the time, but it seems to work much more than that. :P
I think you mean Focus Sash
Quote from: Jompa on November 05, 2012, 12:29:17 PMI think you mean Focus Sash
http://www.smogon.com/dp/items/focus_band
Nope, I mean Focus Band. The sash has a slightly different effect, doesn't it: the Focus Sash can only be used once?
A friend told me it works as long as your Pokemon's HP are full, but I've never tried it.
I just discovered Smogon University :O yay.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 05, 2012, 12:36:10 PMhttp://www.smogon.com/dp/items/focus_band
Nope, I mean Focus Band. The sash has a slightly different effect, doesn't it: the Focus Sash can only be used once?
Focus sash works as long as your HP is full - shedinja only has 1 HP so it only works the first time. Focus band only has a 10 % chance of working, so it's not reliable, but the Sash is.
Quote from: Jompa on November 05, 2012, 01:06:32 PMFocus sash works as long as your HP is full - shedinja only has 1 HP so it only works the first time. Focus band only has a 10 % chance of working, so it's not reliable, but the Sash is.
But the Focus Sash works only once; no matter how small the chance, the Focus Band can work multiple times... as I've seen many times. :P
Lol Cloysterfuck.
i wanna push my onix into your cloyster
And that's where we stop.
DIDN'T YOU HEAR THE MAN?! HE SAID STOP!!!
I don't know the meaning of "Stop"!
Can someone show me how to put my PO team on PS?
I'm gonna challenge anyone here to a battle. Right here, right now. (Well, actually on Pokémon Showdown of course)
I'm challenging in an Uber match.
.............
Ummmm.... I just realized I don't know how to find a specific opponent.
I hit "Search for Matches", (or whatever that button's called), and it automatically gets me the first open one.
I can't seem to get this to work :|
How do you do it? That is, find specific matches?
If you want to battle someone in particular, double click on their name and click Challenge.
Oh. Alright! Thanks! Say Roz, wanna go for a quick one? (Or anyone else for that matter. I don't have much time)
Well, I just made my team. This looks cool enough. Just keep in mind that I'm no expert on EVs, IVs, and the general strategy of Pokemon battles. While I have been playing for years, I've never really taken the time to get really strategic with it. I build my team based on Pokemon, moves, and items that I like to use, not necessarily the ones that are the most powerful. So expect me to lose.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 05, 2012, 01:14:30 PMBut the Focus Sash works only once; no matter how small the chance, the Focus Band can work multiple times... as I've seen many times. :P
it has a 10% chance!! How can you relie on that when shedinja only has 1 hp?!
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 05, 2012, 12:28:18 PMHeh. Try fighting a Shedinja with a Focus Band... they say it only works 1/8th of the time, but it seems to work much more than that. :P
*cough*Sandstorm*cough*Leech Seed*cough*Toxic*cough*
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 06, 2012, 05:47:52 AM*cough*Sandstorm*cough*Leech Seed*cough*Toxic*cough*
Not all pokemon have those moves as one of their four
Actually, every team should have at least one of those moves.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 06, 2012, 05:47:52 AM*cough*Sandstorm*cough*Leech Seed*cough*Toxic*cough*
My random team only had one Pokemon with toxic, and it had already fainted in a valiant effort to use it on another Pokemon. :P
Keep in mind that my normal team just disappeared all of a sudden.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 06, 2012, 10:30:14 AMActually, every team should have at least one of those moves.
Yeah, but not every pokémon ;)
THIS was an epic fight
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou3984725
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4022503
Aw yeah.
Quotegzgreg's rating: 822 → 1046
(+224 for winning)
lol it seems you tried this more than once xD
Quote from: gzgregory on November 07, 2012, 06:58:38 AMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4022503
Aw yeah.
What a bad loser XD
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 07, 2012, 07:20:31 AMlol it seems you tried this more than once xD
Yeah, I had no idea what I was doing the first time. And the second time I was done in by Encore :P
Made a RU team
Edit:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru4077525 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru4077525)
Quote from: davy on November 08, 2012, 07:58:03 AMMade a RU team
Edit:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru4077525 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru4077525)
Epic battle! Sandslash FTW!
And cool NSM avatar.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 08, 2012, 10:00:51 AMEpic battle! Sandslash FTW!
And cool NSM avatar.
I actually like Sandslash the least of my team.
If you know Yugioh and the current TWG, you should know why I have this avatar.
Edit: OMFG!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru4083768 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru4083768)
Just one of my random wins:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4129452
TOTAL WIN
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4129778
What do you think - Am I good, or is he just terrible?
Me battling a good friend of mine:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers4130218
Testing out a moxie support team:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4133047
Didn't get too much use out of Scrafty tho
---------------------------------------------------------------
So yeah, that was my friday :)
Quote from: Jompa on November 09, 2012, 10:48:50 AMTesting out a moxie support team:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4133047
Didn't get too much use out of Scrafty tho
What's scrafty's move set? I don't think iron head is a good move for it.
I'm starting to like scrafty more and more :3
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4170467
Anyone up for some Showdown!?
edit: Sorry, apparently it's glitching and I have no teams. :( I'll make a team first.
Well then I don't have time, sorry - i'll make up for it with a battle some other time :)
Now I'm ready.
EDIT: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4172540
FSM, something that's been bugging me - you're using spore-focus punch on breloom. But why the hell not toxic orb-poison heal-facade, as well? You would've killed that gliscor in one gogogo if you used facade when badly poisoned (which would heal you!)? wynaut?
Because Techinician+Bullet Seed+Mach Punch. Life Orb does a lot of damage, and Breloom's defenses are so weak that almost any super-effective move could wipe him out. Also Facade+Poison=140 power when Focus Punch+STAB+Life Orb=275 power(more then Explosion xD).
Yeah, but you don't have to omit focus punch (and it still is deadly as long as you have spore to guarantee your hit). Poison heal, y'know, heals you when your poisoned (hence the toxic orb), AND also omits the chance of getting another status ailment, while life orb takes 9,9 % of your HP for each attack, and doesn't give you any defense from status ailments. and in cases where focus punch isn't good enough (like with the gliscor), You'll have facade, which is doubled by the poison ailment (that doesn't hurt you, but heals you) - making it better than focus punch in (many) cases - like when focus punch only does 1/2 damage or worse.
I just think there are more cases where poison heal-toxic orb-focus punch-spore-(solar beam/mach punch)-facade, is better than technician-bullet seed-mach punch-spore-life orb-focus punch. But of course: I do see your point, with technician and all :) But i think there are other pokemon suited much better for this kinda tactic than breloom. Breloom is more suited for the toxic orb tactic, together with Hariyama, Machamp, Swellow, Gliscor and other Guts/Poison Heal pokemon. I even have my own team, with 4/6 of these pokemon, a rapid spinner, and a sheer forcer..
The Life Orb is pretty much the reason why I use Technician. No idiot would try to make Breloom paralyzed knowing it has Spore. They try to get rid of it as fast as they can. Also Life Orb damage is not a big deal, like I said, you can easily destroy Breloom with one hit. Also Bullet Seed and Mach Punch are good moves with Technician.
And btw, Facade would have definitely not killed that Gliscor. -.-
For your information, Facade from an Adamant Breloom who's poisoned would do 30,51% - 36,16% to the most common kind of Gliscor we usually see in OU. And I've never seen anyone use Facade Breloom in 5th gen, because Technician is a great ability, and Breloom can abuse it with Mach punch/Bullet Seed/etc. And if you're worried about damage, you can always use Drain Punch.
I do play Pokemon, but not often, so I don't think it's such a bad thing that I'm really confused right now.
Quote from: Roz~ on November 10, 2012, 07:31:00 AMFor your information, Facade from an Adamant Breloom who's poisoned would do 30,51% - 36,16% to the most common kind of Gliscor we usually see in OU. And I've never seen anyone use Facade Breloom in 5th gen, because Technician is a great ability, and Breloom can abuse it with Mach punch/Bullet Seed/etc. And if you're worried about damage, you can always use Drain Punch.
Roz makes me want that my fiance would play Pokemon too :(
Well, good luck with that!
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 10, 2012, 07:37:00 AMRoz makes me want that my fiance would play Pokemon too :(
I'm that awsm :3
But really you should try to teach her, I managed to teach my bf about Pokemon and now he plays competitively with me. So it's not totally impossible =P
Wow, I guess not then! Haha
Guys! I just invented a deadly tactic! I call it Taillow-kamikaze!
Bad example: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4180672
Taillow isn't a very significant pokemon itself. It has bad stats, considering being unevolved, and most pokemon should be able to take it out by one hit. BUT, it's speed isn't the worst!
I gave my taillow the moveset Counter-Endeavor-attract-fly. Ability: Guts and Item: Focus Sash.
You throw out Taillow into battle against a physical attacker. He'll probably be like "wtf, a taillow? this has got to be some kinda trick, I better kill it right away!" He tries to use a move that will faint taillow, for example Outrage, which leaves Taillow with 1% HP, due to holding Focus Sash. The move Tailow selected, which was the reason for it attacking last, was counter, which does damage equal to 2X damage taken. This faint the attacker, and Taillow will be left with 1%HP, as long as there's no weather effect, or HP reducing status ailment.
Now, he'll send out his next pokemon - that's when Taillows speed kicks in. Taillow uses endeavor reducing the opponent's HP to 1% as well!, as long as Taillow is faster, that is.. This turn is a risk, because it's almost 90% chance he'll finish of Taillow after the Endeavor, and thus ending the Taillow-kamikaze tactic, but IF Taillow survives; You can switch out; and later use endeavor again!, when he switches pokemon.
If everything goes well, you'll have your entire team alive after almost beating two of his pokemon, and only with a Taillow!
How does that sound? :)
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 10, 2012, 06:42:43 AMAnd btw, Facade would have definitely not killed that Gliscor. -.-
It would have taken considerably more damage than focus punch did - and in other cases where focus punch is bad - facade isn't - that's a rule of thumb, when it comes to fighting vs normal moves. In my suggestion, you'd have both:) but ofc, your choice
Hmmmm, I never used Tailow, but that does sound kinda cool. How often has it worked when you used it?
Quote from: BonusPwnage on November 10, 2012, 08:46:55 AMHmmmm, I never used Tailow, but that does sound kinda cool. How often has it worked when you used it?
I haven't tested it alot, but It works often! 1/2 of the times - but the first round when you throw it inn random, is based on luck, so that's a factor (not getting thrown in to a Special Attacker battle, or someone with weather effects, or a shedinje(tho that could be taken care of with fly), or some other threat) - tho you don't have to use it first in every battle. Weather effects has been the biggest danger - like an Abomasnow, or Tyranitar, with Hail and Sandstorm abilities. And in the "Bad example"-video I got burned touching the Volcarona, but if it hadn't been for that, then it would have worked a third time too, in that battle :) so I kinda like this tactic - not the best - but I invented it, so I kinda have to like it :3
lol if I wouls see a taillow i would switch to a ghost/use special attacks :P I've seen this before(sorry, it's not your invention :( ) But classic Aron sweep ftw:
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 10, 2012, 09:03:58 AMlol if I wouls see a taillow i would switch to a ghost/use special attacks :P I've seen this before(sorry, it's not your invention :( ) But classic Aron sweep ftw:
Yeah but this guy doesn't use counter and sash - but his idea was way smarter! :O
Quote from: Jompa on November 10, 2012, 08:35:09 AMGuys! I just invented a deadly tactic! I call it Taillow-kamikaze!
Bad example: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4180672
Taillow isn't a very significant pokemon itself. It has bad stats, considering being unevolved, and most pokemon should be able to take it out by one hit. BUT, it's speed isn't the worst!
I gave my taillow the moveset Counter-Endeavor-attract-fly. Ability: Guts and Item: Focus Sash.
You throw out Taillow into battle against a physical attacker. He'll probably be like "wtf, a taillow? this has got to be some kinda trick, I better kill it right away!" He tries to use a move that will faint taillow, for example Outrage, which leaves Taillow with 1% HP, due to holding Focus Sash. The move Tailow selected, which was the reason for it attacking last, was counter, which does damage equal to 2X damage taken. This faint the attacker, and Taillow will be left with 1%HP, as long as there's no weather effect, or HP reducing status ailment.
Now, he'll send out his next pokemon - that's when Taillows speed kicks in. Taillow uses endeavor reducing the opponent's HP to 1% as well!, as long as Taillow is faster, that is.. This turn is a risk, because it's almost 90% chance he'll finish of Taillow after the Endeavor, and thus ending the Taillow-kamikaze tactic, but IF Taillow survives; You can switch out; and later use endeavor again!, when he switches pokemon.
If everything goes well, you'll have your entire team alive after almost beating two of his pokemon, and only with a Taillow!
How does that sound? :)
It's a (kind of) widely used strategy, commonly called F.E.A.R. because of the ingredients involved.
The first ingredient, the Focus Sash: You take a hit, getting to 1 single HP. For best results in friendly link battles, use a Pokémon around lvl. 20 or so. Your opponent will probably believe you forgot to remove a 'mon-in-training from your party before battling, whereas he would be more suspicious if a lvl. 1 Pokémon appeared. Nobody walks around with lvl. 1 Pokémon unintentionally.
The second, Endeavor. Get your opponent down to 1 HP after taking a hit. At this point, he'll probably make ready to finish you.
The third is (Quick) Attack. Anything with priority works, really. Used to nab that last one HP from your opponent, fainting it.
The fourth is the original Pokémon used for this strategy, Ratatta. This is mostly for getting the acronym right. F.E.A.R. can also mean F-ing Evil Annoying Rodent.
And, as FSM pointed out, a variation of the strategy can excellently be pulled off by Aron.
Though, I have to admit, I've never heard of using a good-levelled Taillow before. Using Counter puts you at a great risk, though. If your opponent prefers the more widely used Special attacks, typically Electric or Ice, Counter will fail to inflict any damage. On the other hand, this will probably lead him to believe he's safe, giving you a better chance of pulling off the Endeavour.
Oh, and this video:
Certainly not the first use of F.E.A.R., but certainly the most famous.
Quote from: Cobraroll on November 10, 2012, 01:50:20 PMThough, I have to admit, I've never heard of using a good-levelled Taillow before. Using Counter puts you at a great risk, though. If your opponent prefers the more widely used Special attacks, typically Electric or Ice, Counter will fail to inflict any damage. On the other hand, this will probably lead him to believe he's safe, giving you a better chance of pulling off the Endeavour.
Well, that risk could be dealt with by only sending out Taillow into battle against a pokemon that would typically only use physical moves. Like a rock pokemon, or a pokemon with a powerfull moveset that's based on muscle, probably including stone edge or rock slide. One big problem with this i that many many way too many people fill this role with a Tyranitar, with sand stream, which finishes of Taillow before the endeavor round, so only the counter gets used. My tactic is kind of a mix between countering and endeavoring, i den forstand that I get to use both effectively. It is Taillows "ikke-så-verst-speed" that makes this possible. Doesn't work in every case, but neither does, JUST countering, and JUST endeavoring. - and this tactic is just something I came up with when speculating over a possible moveset for a Swellow, so it's not supposed to be the greatest invention ever - just "my tactic" :)
Thanks for the vid!
Making a new team... starring Sandslash again. :P
I remember when I fist saw Sandslash, it went a little something like "OMGOMG It Looks So Cool I Have To Have It Now!". Ah, Pokemon.
Quote from: BonusPwnage on November 10, 2012, 03:30:22 PMI remember when I fist saw Sandslash, it went a little something like "OMGOMG It Looks So Cool I Have To Have It Now!". Ah, Pokemon.
It was quite the opposite for me. :P
I soon came to realize that it wasn't the best member for my team, but I still thought it was pretty cool looking, so I used it as an HM slave. (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.pokemondb.net%2Fartwork%2Fsandslash.jpg&hash=b0bc7bf3de50b91af59ab3d4d776eb181781cac5)
My team is ready to fight, just in case you want to battle me! :D
I want to try and test it out as much as possible...
EDIT: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4208888
So close... spiteful move at the end, eh? :P Destiny Bond is great... :)
I don't have wi-fi on the DS, sorry.
Quote from: BonusPwnage on November 10, 2012, 05:53:42 PMI don't have wi-fi on the DS, sorry.
No, I was talking about the Pokemon Showdown website. :P
Which I'm done for for today; it keeps glitching my computer! :o
Well, if a lot of people are on that website, it can do that to your computer.
Got locked in an all-out stalemate. I had a Porygon2 with Wonderguard and he had no pokemon that could effect it, and he had a Shedinja with Wonderguard and I didn't have any pokemon that could effect it. I eventually made him angry enough to leave though.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on November 10, 2012, 09:07:28 PMGot locked in an all-out stalemate. I had a Porygon2 with Wonderguard and he had no pokemon that could effect it, and he had a Shedinja with Wonderguard and I didn't have any pokemon that could effect it. I eventually made him angry enough to leave though.
:P
I fought this one annoying guy earlier who kept pressing the "kick inactive players" every other second or so. My computer kept glitching; eventually, the browser just froze. I could've beaten him. Probably. :P
Moxie XD Just so overpowered if played right..
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4228245
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4231966
Me VS. Jompa
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4232146
Rematch
Rerematch
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4232315
You know you're the best when you win WITHOUT USING ANY ATTACK MOVES
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4242441
yes magikarp ftw
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 11, 2012, 09:27:59 AMYou know you're the best when you win WITHOUT USING ANY ATTACK MOVES
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou4242441
yes magikarp ftw
Either that guy was EXTREMELY stupid, or that battle was completely staged :P
I would go with the last one ::)
One thing I've noticed is that people tend to rely on Stealth Rocks/Spikes/Toxic spikes to weaken, or even defeat the opponent, and constantly switching out to ensure that the possible attacks aren't super-effective.
Stealth Rocks = one of the best moves in the game competitively speaking, and who would be dumb enough to let one of their Pokemon take a super effective hit when you can switch out and tank the hit with another 'mon. Also it's called predicting, and it's what good players do.
Entry hazards are very helpful, and honestly, it's what makes my bug team have an advantage at times. If I can set up 3 layers of spikes, a stealth rock and two layers of toxic spikes, the opponent is screwed beyond all belief.
Sounds painful ;D
Quote from: Roz~ on November 11, 2012, 12:56:14 PMStealth Rocks = one of the best moves in the game competitively speaking, and who would be dumb enough to let one of their Pokemon take a super effective hit when you can switch out and tank the hit with another 'mon. Also it's called predicting, and it's what good players do.
Because people rely on it. They don't battle; they just keep switching out to sustain themselves as long as possible so that the opponent will be killed by toxic. If you try the same thing, to do the technique on them, your Pokemon are bombarded. It degrades to the point where it's not even strategy, just a matter of luck and who manages to move first. My Sandslash has Rapid Spin, but barely gets the chance to use it.
EDIT: We need a Pokemon with an ability that destroys all entry hazards upon coming out. Does such an ability currently exist? :P
Well maybe you just need to get a Pokemon with more speed, or keep lvling it up if it's not maxed out yet.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 01:43:34 PMEDIT: We need a Pokemon with an ability that destroys all entry hazards upon coming out. Does such an ability currently exist? :P
Magic Coat.
Quote from: BonusPwnage on November 11, 2012, 01:45:27 PMWell maybe you just need to get a Pokemon with more speed, or keep lvling it up if it's not maxed out yet.
:P We're talking about the Pokemon Showdown website. :P
And that's the thing. If I dedicate most of my EVs to speed, my other stats aren't as balanced, meaning that the opponent's Pokemon will STILL be faster than me (in most cases), and STILL be stronger than me (in terms of other stats, I probably outdo them, but with hazard-spamming-and-retreat-methods, it doesn't matter).
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 11, 2012, 01:53:05 PMMagic Coat.
That's a move, not an ability. If you can't use the move, then it's useless to have.
EDIT: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magic_Bounce_(ability) You mean Magic Bounce?
Oops, my bad. I meant Magic Bounce.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 11, 2012, 02:01:20 PMOops, my bad. I meant Magic Bounce.
Thank you! :)
I'm going to have fun decimating opponents whose whole strategy revolves around hazards. :P
EDIT: Team Barrier Breaker. Centers around "breaking barriers," hitting hard with physical attacks (some special, to catch the opponent off guard and balance the team), and countering super-effective types. The stats listed are the EVs+ for each.
Espeon - Leftovers - Magic Bounce
Shadow Ball - Hidden Power Fire - Signal Beam - Psychic
HP: 106 / Sp. Atk: 150 / Speed: 252 / Bold Nature
Machamp - Choice Scarf - No Guard
DynamicPunch - Ice Punch - Stone Edge - Payback
Atk: 100 / Defense: 56 / Sp. Def: 100 / Speed: 252 / Jolly Nature
Metagross - Wide Lens - Clear Body
Meteor Mash - Hidden Power Water - Hyper Beam - Scary Face
HP: 4 / Sp. Atk: 252 / Speed: 252 / Hasty Nature
Haxorus - Leftovers - Mold Breaker
Dragon Claw - Hidden Power Fire - Earthquake - Draco Meteor
Sp. Atk: 252 / Sp. Def: 4 / Speed: 252 / Modest Nature
Ludicolo - Quick Claw - Rain Dish
Ice Beam - Hidden Power Ground - Rain Dance - Surf
HP: 200 / Def: 56 / Sp. Atk: 252 / Timid Nature
Escavalier - Focus Sash - Shell Armor
Mega Horn - Iron Head - Hidden Power Water - Poison Jab
HP: 100 / Def: 56 / Sp. Def: 100 / Speed: 252 / Jolly Nature
I made a team based off my character in K-Nights Pmon adventure.
lol we should totes make a NSM Pokemon Adventure Tournament
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 02:03:24 PMThank you! :)
I'm going to have fun decimating opponents whose whole strategy revolves around hazards. :P
EDIT: Team Barrier Breaker. Centers around "breaking barriers" and hitting hard with physical attacks (some special, to catch the opponent off guard and balance the team), and countering super-effective types. The stats listed are the EVs+ for each.
Espeon - Leftovers - Magic Bounce
Shadow Ball - Hidden Power Fire - Signal Beam - Psychic
HP: 106 / Sp. Atk: 150 / Speed: 252 / Serious Nature
Machamp - Muscle Band - Guts
DynamicPunch - Ice Punch - Stone Edge - Hidden Power Dark
Atk: 100 / Sp. Atk: 100 / Sp. Def: 56 / Speed: 252 / Jolly Nature
Metagross - Wide Lens - Clear Body
Meteor Mash - Hidden Power Water - Hyper Beam - Scary Face
HP: 4 / Sp. Atk: 252 / Speed: 252 / Hasty Nature
Haxorus - Leftovers - Mold Breaker
Dragon Claw - Hidden Power Fire - Earthquake - Draco Meteor
Sp. Atk: 252 / Sp. Def: 4 / Speed: 252 / Modest Nature
Ludicolo - Quick Claw - Rain Dish
Ice Beam - Hidden Power Ground - Rain Dance - Surf
HP: 200 / Def: 56 / Sp. Atk: 252 / Timid Nature
Escavalier - Occa Berry - Shell Armor
Mega Horn - Iron Head - Hidden Power Water - Poison Jab
HP: 100 / Def: 56 / Sp. Def: 100 / Speed: 252 / Jolly Nature
First off, change Espeon's nature. In which stat does Espeon need no investment? Attack, because it's a Special attacker. You can go for a nature that reduces your attack, but boosts something else. Overall, neutral natures are bad and they shouldn't be used.
Machamp @ HP Dark
What
No... just no. Go for Payback. Machamp is not meant to be a Special attacker, so HP Dark won't do anything to opposing Psychic types. Also, you could just switch out to Escavalier to threaten opposing Psychic types. I think that overall the HPs you put on your Pokemon are bad because you put them on Physical attacker; even if you live a super effective attack, you won't really hurt them in return. Basically Risk vs. Reward: The reward wouldn't be worth it because you'd be taking a lot of damage without really doing any to your opponent.
Machamp with Guts and DynamicPunch? Not gonna work either. DP only has a 50% chance to hit, so it's too much of a gamble to use if your Ability isn't No Guard. If you really want to use guts, go for Drain Punch. Also run Flame Orb to get the Guts boost. If you want to use No Guard, then you can go for Choice Band or even Lum Berry.
Also Quick Claw is the worst item ever. I suggest using Leftovers on your Ludicolo instead, since you'd get more HP back in rain. I'd replace HP Ground with Giga Drain, since it'd be freaking annoying with Lefties + Rain Dish, and it's STAB.
Haxorus is meant to be a Physical attacker. I've seen some Specially based Haxorus, but it's just bad compared to a Physical one. If you want a Special attacker, go for Latios or Hydreigon.
Omg do not use Hyper Beam. It's like the worst move ever in competitive play. Again, risk vs. reward: Is it really worth it? Not really. Even if you're max Sp. Atk, you're a Metagross. You probably won't KO the opposing Pokemon, and you'll lose a turn 'cause you need to recharge.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 11, 2012, 04:50:40 PMlol we should totes make a NSM Pokemon Adventure Tournament
That would be pretty cool =P
Quote from: Roz~ on November 11, 2012, 05:11:29 PMFirst off, change Espeon's nature. In which stat does Espeon need no investment? Attack, because it's a Special attacker. You can go for a nature that reduces your attack, but boosts something else. Overall, neutral natures are bad and they shouldn't be used.
Machamp @ HP Dark
What
No... just no. Go for Payback. Machamp is not meant to be a Special attacker, so HP Dark won't do anything to opposing Psychic types. Also, you could just switch out to Escavalier to threaten opposing Psychic types. I think that overall the HPs you put on your Pokemon are bad because you put them on Physical attacker; even if you live a super effective attack, you won't really hurt them in return. Basically Risk vs. Reward: The reward wouldn't be worth it because you'd be taking a lot of damage without really doing any to your opponent.
Machamp with Guts and DynamicPunch? Not gonna work either. DP only has a 50% chance to hit, so it's too much of a gamble to use if your Ability isn't No Guard. If you really want to use guts, go for Drain Punch. Also run Flame Orb to get the Guts boost. If you want to use No Guard, then you can go for Choice Band or even Lum Berry.
Also Quick Claw is the worst item ever. I suggest using Leftovers on your Ludicolo instead, since you'd get more HP back in rain. I'd replace HP Ground with Giga Drain, since it'd be freaking annoying with Lefties + Rain Dish, and it's STAB.
Haxorus is meant to be a Physical attacker. I've seen some Specially based Haxorus, but it's just bad compared to a Physical one. If you want a Special attacker, go for Latios or Hydreigon.
Omg do not use Hyper Beam. It's like the worst move ever in competitive play. Again, risk vs. reward: Is it really worth it? Not really. Even if you're max Sp. Atk, you're a Metagross. You probably won't KO the opposing Pokemon, and you'll lose a turn 'cause you need to recharge.
That would be pretty cool =P
1: Espeon is now Bold.
2: Payback would ruin the point of even having a Dark type move in the first place. Because, if Machamp is hit by a significantly strong Psychic type, it won't even have a chance to use it, especially with No Guard (not to mention, that, in some cases, Machamp may move before the target). No Guard was my second choice, but it's crazy to use unless I have guarenteed speed and attack most of the time. Flame orb JUST to get the Guts boost is against what I had the ability for.
3: Actually, Quick Claw is a great item, especially with low speed Pokemon (I've always used it in the games, from Crystal onwards). Choice Scarf locks the user into using one move, which is entirely against the point of trying to attack opponents in a logical way. Giga Drain would make Ludicolo less effective against fire-types (and other types), giving only one move to damage them.
4: I'm not going for a Haxorous with Superpower/Outrage-style moves. You seem to be forgetting the main purpose for this team: it's not just to smash through the opponent (which results in imbalance, which allows the opponent to literally sweep us)...
5: Yes, I'm using Hyper Beam. The move that can smash through opponents and rip apart those with terrible Sp. Defense. Metagross's Defense (and slightly lower Sp. Defense) allows me time to recharge, if I don't use it just to finish off the opponent's last Pokemon.
Time to test the team out and possibly adjust based on results! :P
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 06:04:39 PM2: Payback would ruin the point of even having a Dark type move in the first place. Because, if Machamp is hit by a significantly strong Psychic type, it won't even have a chance to use it, especially with No Guard (not to mention, that, in some cases, Machamp may move before the target). No Guard was my second choice, but it's crazy to use unless I have guarenteed speed and attack most of the time. Flame orb JUST to get the Guts boost is against what I had the ability for.
That's why you don't let it get hit by psychic moves.
Haha! I won two battles... because the opponent forfeited before the battle began...
I guess they got too intimidated. :P
EDIT: Fought a real battle. Main weakness is the fire-type. Occa Berry did nothing; might as well not have had any item.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 06:04:39 PM5: Yes, I'm using Hyper Beam. The move that can smash through opponents and rip apart those with terrible Sp. Defense. Metagross's Defense (and slightly lower Sp. Defense) allows me time to recharge, if I don't use it just to finish off the opponent's last Pokemon.
Ok. I send in Scrafty, use Dragon Dance while you need to recharge and then use Drain Punch to 2HKO you.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 06:04:39 PM1: Espeon is now Bold.
2: Payback would ruin the point of even having a Dark type move in the first place. Because, if Machamp is hit by a significantly strong Psychic type, it won't even have a chance to use it, especially with No Guard (not to mention, that, in some cases, Machamp may move before the target). No Guard was my second choice, but it's crazy to use unless I have guarenteed speed and attack most of the time. Flame orb JUST to get the Guts boost is against what I had the ability for.
3: Actually, Quick Claw is a great item, especially with low speed Pokemon (I've always used it in the games, from Crystal onwards). Choice Scarf locks the user into using one move, which is entirely against the point of trying to attack opponents in a logical way. Giga Drain would make Ludicolo less effective against fire-types (and other types), giving only one move to damage them.
4: I'm not going for a Haxorous with Superpower/Outrage-style moves. You seem to be forgetting the main purpose for this team: it's not just to smash through the opponent (which results in imbalance, which allows the opponent to literally sweep us)...
5: Yes, I'm using Hyper Beam. The move that can smash through opponents and rip apart those with terrible Sp. Defense. Metagross's Defense (and slightly lower Sp. Defense) allows me time to recharge, if I don't use it just to finish off the opponent's last Pokemon.
Time to test the team out and possibly adjust based on results! :P
1- That's good.
2- Machamp is slow. It will move after Psychic types regardless. That's why people use Payback. Also if you fear you're going to get ohko'd, put some Evs in HP. And really, if you're going for Dynamic Punch you /need/ No Guard. Use Close Combat/Drain Punch if you're going for Guts. Missing Dynamic Punch 4 times in a row is annoying as hell.
3- No. Quick Claw is not good. It's inconsistent. Also you don't need any other moves for fire types on Ludicolo because you have a water type move. The thing you don't seem to understand is that your Pokémon doesn't need to counter every single one of their threats, your teammates need to cover for one another. As Shado said, you're not going to let Machamp take a Psychic attack, you're going to switch out to Metagross because it resists the hit.
4- I'm not forgetting your "plan". However, by using a specially based Haxorus, you put yourself at a disadvantage because its Sp. Atk isn't as high as its Atk. I never said you should go for an all out offensive kind of Haxorus, I just said you should use physical moves. You can still make it bulky while using physical attacks.
5- I don't even know what to say about Hyper Beam, because it's just bad in competitive play. But hey, use it if you want. However, I don't recommend it. The only Pokemon that could abuse it is Porygon-Z, because of download boost, and you could even put Choice Specs on there. But yeah, it's inconsistent as well.
Quote from: Shadoninja on November 11, 2012, 06:44:32 PMOk. I send in Scrafty, use Dragon Dance while you need to recharge and then use Drain Punch to 2HKO you.
If you send in Scrafty, you'll waste the turn when I'm recharging (since you don't know when I'm going to use Hyper Beam, meaning that you'd have to switch out after unless you were really lucky, somehow knowing that I was going to use it that specific turn). If you use Dragon Dance, it'll give me a chance to either switch out to Machamp, and THEN take you out, or take you out with another move. Metagross's defense stat, and only 1x weakness to fighting, would make Drain Punch less effective; since Scrafty hasn't taken any damage, it would do much to help you, either.
@Roz~ (I don't want to quote the entire post)
2: It would be better to contribute those EVs in Sp. Defense, which would make other stats imbalanced, which would make it useless either way, especially against non-psychic types as well as psychic-types.
3: Leftovers wouldn't work combined with Rain Dish if the opponent keeps switching out to their Vulpix with Drought, which I just had happen to me (Rain Dance only wastes a turn in that case). From personal use, Quick Claw has always been helpful: it adds unpredictability over your opponent and ignores Trick Room's effects; it can disrupt an opponent's strategy, and even a one turn advantage can turn the battle in your favor. If I keep switching out, I won't be able to damage opponents at all, meaning that I'll just be a sitting ducks to any of THEIR attacks, and hazards, meaning that I'll have to keep switching to Espeon (meaning that Espeon will soon faint).
4: None of the physical moves are as good without lowering multiple stats (both attack and defense for Superpower) or confusing you (Outrage). Aqua Tail makes no sense in most of the battles Haxorous will be in (possibly against Ice types?), as with other moves in the sections below.
5: Relying on Hyper Beam is terrible. Trying to use Hyper Beam against a Vulpix is terrible. :P It's not so much about abusing it, just using it properly, to whatever advantage it can give me, compared to other moves.
For example, during the battle, the opponent's Charizard's Fire Blast missed at least three times; although, when it hit, it was fatal (fainting :P), it put the opponent in a case of mere probability.
We are such nerds. ;D
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 07:13:11 PMIf you send in Scrafty, you'll waste the turn when I'm recharging (since you don't know when I'm going to use Hyper Beam, meaning that you'd have to switch out after unless you were really lucky, somehow knowing that I was going to use it that specific turn). If you use Dragon Dance, it'll give me a chance to either switch out to Machamp, and THEN take you out, or take you out with another move. Metagross's defense stat, and only 1x weakness to fighting, would make Drain Punch less effective; since Scrafty hasn't taken any damage, it would do much to help you, either.
@Roz~ Wall of text
The point of Shado's post = You switch out Scrafty to take any moves Metagross throws out at you, because it walls Metagross to an extent. Scrafty is fairly bulky, so it can take a Meteor Mash. It's not affected by Zen Headbutt, and Earthquake won't do to much either because it's not STAB on Metagross. You can then set up on Metagross while it has to recharge. There you go.
2: Actually, no. It's better to put EVs in HP rather than in Sp. Def. That way you can also take Physical hits better. However if you're worried you can dump some EVs in Sp. Def. Also putting EVs in Sp. Atk for HP Dark is a complete waste of time. Yoou could put more in Atk and Sp. Def if you were running Payback.
3: Lefties would still work because you'd get HP back even without rain. And who the hell sets up manual rain when the opponent still has a Vulpix/Ninetales/Ttar out? It's obvious it's a complete waste of time. And no. You don't understand the concept of switching out at all. You're not switching out so your Pokemon don't faint, you're switching out to a Pokemon that threatens your opponent's pokemon, and you go from there. Let's say your opponent has an Ice type out. You switch out to Metagross to tank the ice attack. Then, you know he's going to expect the Steel type move, so you think he's going to switch out to his fire type, and you go for Earthquake. Your opponent does just that, which means you catch your opponent's Pokemon on the switch and you KO it. Bingo. That's how predicting and switching out works. Also if you're so worried about hazards, add a rapid spinner in case your Espeon dies. Problem solved. About that Quick Claw comment: Yes, it adds "unpredictability" over your opponent. It can also screw you over if it doesn't activate when you want it to. Use it if you want, the point is the item sucks. I'm not the only person to say that either. Also even if you have Quick Claw, priority moves say hi.
4: Earthquake. Brick Break. Dragon Claw. Dual Chop. Night Slash. Oh wait, do these moves lower any of Haxorus's stats? Yeah, I didn't think so.
5: Yeah, it's bad. You should go for more coverage, even if it means going for Physical moves instead of Special ones. Earthquake and Zen Headbutt would be a good start.
Quote from: Roz~ on November 11, 2012, 08:15:01 PMThe point of Shado's post = You switch out Scrafty to take any moves Metagross throws out at you, because it walls Metagross to an extent. Scrafty is fairly bulky, so it can take a Meteor Mash. It's not affected by Zen Headbutt, and Earthquake won't do to much either because it's not STAB on Metagross. You can then set up on Metagross while it has to recharge. There you go.
2: Actually, no. It's better to put EVs in HP rather than in Sp. Def. That way you can also take Physical hits better. However if you're worried you can dump some EVs in Sp. Def. Also putting EVs in Sp. Atk for HP Dark is a complete waste of time. Yoou could put more in Atk and Sp. Def if you were running Payback.
3: Lefties would still work because you'd get HP back even without rain. And who the hell sets up manual rain when the opponent still has a Vulpix/Ninetales/Ttar out? It's obvious it's a complete waste of time. And no. You don't understand the concept of switching out at all. You're not switching out so your Pokemon don't faint, you're switching out to a Pokemon that threatens your opponent's pokemon, and you go from there. Let's say your opponent has an Ice type out. You switch out to Metagross to tank the ice attack. Then, you know he's going to expect the Steel type move, so you think he's going to switch out to his fire type, and you go for Earthquake. Your opponent does just that, which means you catch your opponent's Pokemon on the switch and you KO it. Bingo. That's how predicting and switching out works. Also if you're so worried about hazards, add a rapid spinner in case your Espeon dies. Problem solved. About that Quick Claw comment: Yes, it adds "unpredictability" over your opponent. It can also screw you over if it doesn't activate when you want it to. Use it if you want, the point is the item sucks. I'm not the only person to say that either. Also even if you have Quick Claw, priority moves say hi.
4: Earthquake. Brick Break. Dragon Claw. Dual Chop. Night Slash. Oh wait, do these moves lower any of Haxorus's stats? Yeah, I didn't think so.
5: Yeah, it's bad. You should go for more coverage, even if it means going for Physical moves instead of Special ones. Earthquake and Zen Headbutt would be a good start.
That wouldn't happen with Scrafty unless the opponent was psychic and knew exactly when to switch out, or just happened to switch out to it randomly. If Scrafty was already out prior, then why would I even be using Hyper Beam against it? :P
2: Metagross already has high defense, even with Hasty nature. If you have HP, but low Sp. Def, then it won't reduce the amount of damage done; so that would be rather pointless.
3: Because Charizard keeps fainting all the other Pokemon. :P
That's the thing; the opponents just faint the Pokemon either way. If I had Metagross out, then I couldn't do much against the ice Pokemon, and it would just freeze me, or the opponent could switch out to a Pokemon like Zoroark (or Charizard) and use Flamethrower. Unless the opponent doesn't have any better options, or is plain foolish, they're not going to do that...
That's why I don't rely on it. I don't build my entire strategy around a single thing; I'm varied. And not all opponents have those priority moves... but if you're mentioning it, that wouldn't matter either way, since, unless you used a higher priority move, the opponent would still go first.
4: I already have Earthquake and Dragon Claw. Dual Chop doesn't have as much power, although it strikes twice. Night Slash is a dark-type move. Brick Break is Fighting-type... Fire-type also does damage against Bug and Grass Pokemon, and isn't completely useless against ghosts...
5: I, again, don't rely solely on it... if I were going for a different motives, I would agree with you on all the points, but then again...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 09:05:39 PM2: Metagross already has high defense, even with Hasty nature. If you have HP, but low Sp. Def, then it won't reduce the amount of damage done; so that would be rather pointless.
No it isn't. HP > Def/Sp. Def always! You are correct in that it does the same amount of damage, but you would have more HP to survive with and therefore go on longer than if you invested in Def/Sp.Def. And why one earth are you using a Hasty Metagross? Metagross has horrific speed anyway. Adamant is way better.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 09:05:39 PM3: Because Charizard keeps fainting all the other Pokemon. :P
That's the thing; the opponents just faint the Pokemon either way. If I had Metagross out, then I couldn't do much against the ice Pokemon, and it would just freeze me, or the opponent could switch out to a Pokemon like Zoroark (or Charizard) and use Flamethrower. Unless the opponent doesn't have any better options, or is plain foolish, they're not going to do that...
That's why I don't rely on it. I don't build my entire strategy around a single thing; I'm varied. And not all opponents have those priority moves... but if you're mentioning it, that wouldn't matter either way, since, unless you used a higher priority move, the opponent would still go first.
Have you ever seen a Meteor Mash against an Ice type? Freezing rarely occurs anyway, so you're better off tanking the Ice Beam/Blizzard and predicting the switch and going from there. If your opponent goes into Charizard/Moltres/Air Balloon Fire type, then just go, "Worth a try" and switch into a Pokemon that can take a Fire attack, which you should have if you're running Metagross
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 09:05:39 PM4: I already have Earthquake and Dragon Claw. Dual Chop doesn't have as much power, although it strikes twice. Night Slash is a dark-type move. Brick Break is Fighting-type... Fire-type also does damage against Bug and Grass Pokemon, and isn't completely useless against ghosts...
Dual Chop is to break Subs and damage them in the same turn. Night Slash can dispose of Gengars and Shedinja gimmicks. Brick Break is pretty bad imo lol.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 09:05:39 PM5: I, again, don't rely solely on it... if I were going for a different motives, I would agree with you on all the points, but then again...
Hyper Beam and all its variants are all really unreliable and can cost you the match. If you let a Scizor or Haxorus or Zoroark set up on you, it will be extremly difficult to beat them. And then you have to take out the rest of their Pokemon with a crippled team. There are lots of better moves out there.
I'm sorry if I'm intruding on this argument, I just wanted to prove a point :|
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 09:05:39 PMThat wouldn't happen with Scrafty unless the opponent was psychic and knew exactly when to switch out, or just happened to switch out to it randomly. If Scrafty was already out prior, then why would I even be using Hyper Beam against it? :P
2: Metagross already has high defense, even with Hasty nature. If you have HP, but low Sp. Def, then it won't reduce the amount of damage done; so that would be rather pointless.
3: Because Charizard keeps fainting all the other Pokemon. :P
That's the thing; the opponents just faint the Pokemon either way. If I had Metagross out, then I couldn't do much against the ice Pokemon, and it would just freeze me, or the opponent could switch out to a Pokemon like Zoroark (or Charizard) and use Flamethrower. Unless the opponent doesn't have any better options, or is plain foolish, they're not going to do that...
That's why I don't rely on it. I don't build my entire strategy around a single thing; I'm varied. And not all opponents have those priority moves... but if you're mentioning it, that wouldn't matter either way, since, unless you used a higher priority move, the opponent would still go first.
4: I already have Earthquake and Dragon Claw. Dual Chop doesn't have as much power, although it strikes twice. Night Slash is a dark-type move. Brick Break is Fighting-type... Fire-type also does damage against Bug and Grass Pokemon, and isn't completely useless against ghosts...
5: I, again, don't rely solely on it... if I were going for a different motives, I would agree with you on all the points, but then again...
That would freaking happen because it's called predicting and everyone who plays the game does that. Stop thinking no one tries to predict, or that people have to be "Psychics" to know when to switch. Prediction is an important skill to have, and that's what separate good players from bad players. I'm not saying this for fun, I'm saying this because it's true.
2: Before saying complete nonsense, learn to Damage Calc. Clanker said exactly what I would've said.
3: Your "the opponent could switch out" argument is the worst argument I've ever seen. You need to
predict what your opponent's gonna do, even if it kinda looks like it's a tough thing to do. Otherwise, you're going to be so predictable it's going to be easy to beat you. About priority moves: that's why I said Quick Claw is pointless, because if it activates the turn your opponent goes for a priority move, then it was completely useless.
4: Oh my god do you not understand the concept of type coverage? -____- The point of running moves like Brick Break and Night Slash is to be able to beat different types. Also Jellicent says hi to your Fire type moves.
5: Then put more Evs in Atk. And yeah, Hasty for Metagross is horrible since you won't outspeed anything relevant. If you want to run Hasty, run Agilitygross. And even then Jolly > Hasty. If you really want to run a Mixed one, go for Naughty.
Quote from: Clanker37 on November 12, 2012, 12:44:59 AMI'm sorry if I'm intruding on this argument, I just wanted to prove a point :|
Thanks for trying, but I don't think he'll ever get the points we're trying to prove.
Quote from: Clanker37 on November 12, 2012, 12:44:59 AMNo it isn't. HP > Def/Sp. Def always! You are correct in that it does the same amount of damage, but you would have more HP to survive with and therefore go on longer than if you invested in Def/Sp.Def. And why one earth are you using a Hasty Metagross? Metagross has horrific speed anyway. Adamant is way better.
Have you ever seen a Meteor Mash against an Ice type? Freezing rarely occurs anyway, so you're better off tanking the Ice Beam/Blizzard and predicting the switch and going from there. If your opponent goes into Charizard/Moltres/Air Balloon Fire type, then just go, "Worth a try" and switch into a Pokemon that can take a Fire attack, which you should have if you're running Metagross
Dual Chop is to break Subs and damage them in the same turn. Night Slash can dispose of Gengars and Shedinja gimmicks. Brick Break is pretty bad imo lol.
Hyper Beam and all its variants are all really unreliable and can cost you the match. If you let a Scizor or Haxorus or Zoroark set up on you, it will be extremly difficult to beat them. And then you have to take out the rest of their Pokemon with a crippled team. There are lots of better moves out there.
Not always true: if your opponent's move is powerful enough, you'll still faint either way (but Sp. Defense, especially with many fire type moves, would reduce the damage done?). Metagross has high enough defense, but is more lacking in Sp. Defense. That's why I have speed...
If I switch out to another Pokemon, they won't be able to take a fire attack (Admiral Ackbar moment) of that magnitude!! Not even Ludicolo. :(
But it has a greater chance of missing, as each attack is counted seperately?
Hyper Beam can also win the match for you. If your opponent has high defense, but low Sp. Defense, then it'll slice right through it. If it's their last Pokemon, then the battle is most likely over. :P Hyper Beam isn't a good move to rely on or overuse, but it does have its uses...
@Roz~
That would be extremely unintelligent of them to do, then. If I had used a move like Brick Break, for example (assuming, from their perspective, that Metagross had it), combined with Metagross's attack, it would, most likely, do major damage, or even possible faint Scrafty. How does the opponent even know I have Hyper Beam if they:
a: Haven't fought me before.
b: If I had never used it in the battle before.
It's just a risky, and even foolish, gamble, not even "predicting."
2: Also read what I said...
3: Yet you just used it in the Scrafty example. If I "predict" what my opponent's going to do, I could get lucky, and win, or lose two or three more of my Pokemon. That's why I'm not predictable.
Well, I guess that's just "predicting"!! :P As I said, I don't rely on any one thing; THAT would make me obviously predictable, and give me a totally unreliable strategy.
4: Type coverage is why I have the moves that I do; if I had Brick Break or Night Slash on Haxorous, it would put me in a different direction than I'm trying to go for. Jellicent, at this point, is the least of my worries, as I've got Machamp (thank you HP Dark :P) and even Espeon (Shadow Ball, despite the ghost type weakness) to deal with it, if possible. If Jellicent attacks Haxorous with Ice Beam, and I switch out to Machamp, it could possible hold against the move, and use HP Dark, or, if you prefer, Payback. Although the risk vs. reward for Payback is worse (greater chance of fainting before the move), I could use the EVs for Sp. Atk for Sp. Defense to supplement it.
My head is going in cirlces right now. I'm a fan of Pokemon, but I wouldn't call myself a Pokemaniac like you people!
Heh, competitive battling is a bit to wrap your head around at first. But if you really study it, it gets very easy after a while, no worries. It's fun!
Quote from: Nebbles on November 12, 2012, 03:17:58 PMHeh, competitive battling is a bit to wrap your head around at first. But if you really study it, it gets very easy after a while, no worries. It's fun!
And *laugh laugh* there are lots of different opinions in battling! :P
Yep, that too.
speaking of battling, can someone put up the Pokemon Online server sometimes? I can't seem to get my computer to run Showdown....
Quote from: K-NiGhT on November 12, 2012, 04:21:25 PMspeaking of battling, can someone put up the Pokemon Online server sometimes? I can't seem to get my computer to run Showdown....
My computer can run Showdown, but after too many battles, it gets glitchy. :P
I set up an NSM channel in the Pokemon Online main server. Would anyone care to meet me there?
Pokemon Online? What's that?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 12, 2012, 12:27:20 PMWall of text
No, it wouldn't be unintelligent. You can deduce most of your opponent's movesets during team preview if you're good enough. Also no one runs Brick Break on Metagross because it's dumb since it has better moves. It's not foolish. And sometimes you have to take risks when playing Pokemon.
There's no point in arguing with you because clearly you're not open-minded and you stick to your own opinion, thinking it's "superior". Clanker and I tried to help you out but clearly you act like you already know everything about competitive battling when you obviously don't. There's really no point in trying to help you anymore.
Quote from: K-NiGhT on November 12, 2012, 05:24:52 PMI set up an NSM channel in the Pokemon Online main server. Would anyone care to meet me there?
On PO V2? Would be cool to play on PO again, since Pokemon Showdown lags a lot sometimes. I might go on there when I have time to play online again.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 12, 2012, 12:27:20 PMI've got Machamp (thank you HP Dark :P)
Are you seriously considering giving Machamp Hidden Power? In gen 5?
*Face desk*
Well, whatever! We were only trying to help you and you rejected us, so happy losing!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uususpecttest4328384
Meh, not even a full battle.
Gallade FTW!! :D
Quote from: Roz~ on November 12, 2012, 08:44:32 PMNo, it wouldn't be unintelligent. You can deduce most of your opponent's movesets during team preview if you're good enough. Also no one runs Brick Break on Metagross because it's dumb since it has better moves. It's not foolish. And sometimes you have to take risks when playing Pokemon.
There's no point in arguing with you because clearly you're not open-minded and you stick to your own opinion, thinking it's "superior". Clanker and I tried to help you out but clearly you act like you already know everything about competitive battling when you obviously don't. There's really no point in trying to help you anymore.
What about no team preview battles? :P My favorite kind. >:D Due to the variety of various Pokemon's movesets, you can't always deduce their moves so easily; you know that from the mixed-bag of typed moves I have. ;) You need to confuse your opponent, and leave them unexpecting what comes next (as well as many other things...)
It has better moves, I'm not denying that, but wouldn't that catch the opponent off guard, and allow Metagross to deal with different types? And would negate previous described circumstance? :P
I am open-minded; that's why I'm arguing. I'm receptive to others' knowledge when it's necessarily helpful in an improving way (like with Espeon's nature, something I would have overlooked), not when it can be easily disadvantageous (especially in this specific case). You're the only one acting like you have the superior/entire knowledge... :-\ You're acting as if all you say is 100% definitive in a total and absolute way. :P
Strategies "by the book" are limited and aren't always the best choices; balance, variety, and effectiveness are just some of the only factors to keep in mind. If battling was a single formula or equation, they would be, but, as can be observed clearly, it's not.
Quote from: Clanker37 on November 12, 2012, 09:08:32 PMAre you seriously considering giving Machamp Hidden Power? In gen 5?
Well, whatever! We were only trying to help you and you rejected us, so happy losing!
Yes; another friend recommended that I use Hidden Power when forming teams a while back (even before I joined NSM). I believe he said that it allowed many Pokemon to overcome type weaknesses, and has vast use, depending on WHICH Hidden Power it was.
Although, I HAVE switched to Payback, which hasn't been very helpful in the last two battles I was in (with Barrier Breaker team); however, it allows me to distribute the EVs that were in Sp. Atk to other stats. If only there were a better dark move. :S
...well... More battles have allowed for more observations, allowing for improvement based on shortcomings. The only remaining problems are speed and fire types. For those, I may need to switch out at least one Pokemon for a faster one.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 12, 2012, 09:20:11 PMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uususpecttest4328384
Meh, not even a full battle.
Gallade FTW!! :D
What about no team preview battles? :P My favorite kind. >:D Due to the variety of various Pokemon's movesets, you can't always deduce their moves so easily; you know that from the mixed-bag of typed moves I have. ;) You need to confuse your opponent, and leave them unexpecting what comes next (as well as many other things...)
It has better moves, I'm not denying that, but wouldn't that catch the opponent off guard, and allow Metagross to deal with different types? And would negate previous described circumstance? :P
I am open-minded; that's why I'm arguing. I'm receptive to others' knowledge when it's necessarily helpful in an improving way (like with Espeon's nature, something I would have overlooked), not when it can be easily disadvantageous (especially in this specific case). You're the only one acting like you have the superior/entire knowledge... :-\ You're acting as if all you say is 100% definitive in a total and absolute way. :P
Strategies "by the book" are limited and aren't always the best choices; balance, variety, and effectiveness are just some of the only factors to keep in mind. If battling was a single formula or equation, they would be, but, as can be observed clearly, it's not.
Yes; another friend recommended that I use Hidden Power when forming teams a while back (even before I joined NSM). I believe he said that it allowed many Pokemon to overcome type weaknesses, and has vast use, depending on WHICH Hidden Power it was.
Although, I HAVE switched to Payback, which hasn't been very helpful in the last two battles I was in (with Barrier Breaker team); however, it allows me to distribute the EVs that were in Sp. Atk to other stats. If only there were a better dark move. :S
...well... More battles have allowed for more observations, allowing for improvement based on shortcomings. The only remaining problems are speed and fire types. For those, I may need to switch out at least one Pokemon for a faster one.
Gen V = Wifi clause = you always see your opponent's team before you battle. And depending on the team structure you can get a good idea about what moves they're going to pack. And I'm not narrow-minded. I'm trying to help you because your moveset choices are not good. And I enter Pokemon sanctioned tournaments and I win money out of them because I place high, so yes, I like to think that I know what I'm talking about. And I'm all for gimmicks, I love using them. But HP Dark on Machamp is just really bad because Payback is a superior option, and this is a fact. Fun gimmicks are stuff like Floatzel with Water Veil, Flame Orb, and Switcheroo. HP Dark on Machamp is just stupid. Your friend was right, HP can help take down certain threats, but HP needs to be used on Special Attackers. That's why Heatran sometimes packs HP Grass or HP Ice, and Gengar packs HP Fire or HP Ice. There's no point in using it on a Physical Attacker because you either won't do any damage or you'll have to invest Evs in Sp. Atk which is a waste since you should invest them in Atk/HP/Speed/etc. And of course you're going to have problems with Fire types, you have more than one Steel-type on your team and only Haxorus as a safe switch in. And by battling you, I'd know that you're a sub-par player after seeing the movesets you run. Especially the HP shenanigans.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 12, 2012, 09:20:11 PMYes; another friend recommended that I use Hidden Power when forming teams a while back (even before I joined NSM). I believe he said that it allowed many Pokemon to overcome type weaknesses, and has vast use, depending on WHICH Hidden Power it was.
Just no. -.-
I don't think Hidden Power is all that great...
It can be pretty useful. Let's say you have a Heatran which runs Fre Blast, Earth Power and Stealth Rocks. You are completely walled by Dragon types. So, to be able to hit them, you give Heatran HP Ice. It is a good idea because it's a Special Attacker and it doesn't learn any Ice type moves.
Quote from: BonusPwnage on November 13, 2012, 08:20:05 AMI don't think Hidden Power is all that great...
oh the noobs
You shouldn't be giving Hidden Power to anything that's not a good special attacker, end of story.
Like Roz said, Heatran is a very good idea. Machamp? What are you thinking?
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent4353886
Oh Machamp! And I was about to replace you!! :o
I'd say Hidden Power is a "last-ditch" alternative. When you have anything better to run, do so. If not, like that Heatran who really, really wants an Ice move, you can go for Hidden Power.
As movepools have grown over the course of the generations, fewer and fewer Pokémon need to run it, though. I guess that in future generations, it will be a very rare sight, used only on certain niche Pokémon in special cases.
Quote from: Cobraroll on November 13, 2012, 01:03:49 PMI'd say Hidden Power is a "last-ditch" alternative. When you have anything better to run, do so. If not, like that Heatran who really, really wants an Ice move, you can go for Hidden Power.
As movepools have grown over the course of the generations, fewer and fewer Pokémon need to run it, though. I guess that in future generations, it will be a very rare sight, used only on certain niche Pokémon in special cases.
It can open up new possibilities in type combinations...
But Hidden Power can also offer type coverage your pokemon can't usually get, which is very very useful. While it's not too powerful, hey, it comes in handy. Hidden Power has saved me before.
Yes, Hidden Power is useful when used properly. I love HP flying Thundurus/Zapdos. It's pretty useful since the only Flying type moves they get are physical QQ
Yeah, Zapdos really only gets Drill Peck and Fly and Sky Attack, I think?
And Pluck. Thundurus gets Sky Drop and Fly -___-
Yikes.
It's almost like Flareon - great physical attack stat but lol movepool
Haha exactly
At least they have a decent movepool. Flareon's one is just terrible Q_Q
It's saddening, because honestly in BW2 they had potential to fix Flareon, considering they fixed Snivy's moveset. Yet they didn't.
BDS do you have to argue with every suggestion? Yeesh.
Quote from: spitllama on November 13, 2012, 05:21:08 PMBDS do you have to argue with every suggestion? Yeesh.
I haven't argued with every suggestion. It's just that not all suggestions work. Giving Machamp a Choice Scarf, on the other hand, has done a ton of difference, making it a hard hitter.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent4369404
And I think that's all for today; my computer is starting to get irritated at that website. :P
Quote from: Roz~ on November 13, 2012, 02:35:45 PMYes, Hidden Power is useful when used properly. I love HP flying Thundurus/Zapdos. It's pretty useful since the only Flying type moves they get are physical QQ
I usually use HP Grass on Zapdos because ground types that resist heat wave are annoying or Ice because dragons.
Yeah, grass and ice seem to be the most popular... fire is too, I think?
Quote from: Nebbles on November 13, 2012, 05:48:04 PMYeah, grass and ice seem to be the most popular... fire is too, I think?
Ice with Lucario, yes; that's one I've heard most often.
Quote from: Shadoninja on November 13, 2012, 05:42:40 PMI usually use HP Grass on Zapdos because ground types that resist heat wave are annoying or Ice because dragons.
I do that too when I play OU, but in VGC HP Flying is a really popular move.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle4375708 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle4375708)
Blueflower and I had a nice random battle, it was fun.
Quote from: Roz~ on November 13, 2012, 07:09:55 PMI do that too when I play OU, but in VGC HP Flying is a really popular move.
Yeah I guess that makes sense.
UU Doubles anyone?
Why are there so many different levels of pokes? ???
It was probably a random battle.
Speaking of, anyone wanna do a quick random battle? My head hurts. I need a break from work.
DIBS!
all right, meet you online :o
Nebbles kicking my butt:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle4376580 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle4376580)
That's the luckiest random team I've gotten. I thought I was gonna get destroyed since it was most pre-evolutions!
Random teams are so fun
I remember some guy led with Ho-Oh, and I had 6 grass types on my team. Fun times.
Quote from: Roz~ on November 14, 2012, 07:57:55 AMRandom teams are so fun
I remember some guy led with Ho-Oh, and I had 6 grass types on my team. Fun times.
I bet you won anyway.
Attempting those single type medals in white 2. First 3 fire types suggested (one per person) will be used. GO!
Quote from: Shadoninja on November 15, 2012, 05:42:42 PMI bet you won anyway.
Attempting those single type medals in white 2. First 3 fire types suggested (one per person) will be used. GO!
Charizard is a good fire type, although very vulnerable to rock and, to a lesser extent, electric types. Amazing potential, though, since it can also use SolarBeam to take out water types, and Dragon Claw to take out dragon types?
Solarbeam is bad unless you have Drought Ninetales or a pokemon that can use Sunny day.
Also I say Chandelure.
Yeah, I agree. Chandelure.
Quote from: Roz~ on November 15, 2012, 06:54:53 PMSolarbeam is bad unless you have Drought Ninetales or a pokemon that can use Sunny day.
Also I say Chandelure.
Then that would be amazing. Send out Ninetales first, wait until it faint (in the case that it does), or just switch it out, and eliminate any water/ground/rock types that come along. :P
Chandelure is also very good, because it's ghost type as well...
It's not amazing, it's just very logical and everyone who runs a Sun team does that. Also letting your Ninetales faint is dumb, because if they have Politoed/Ttar or even a Pokemon packing Rain Dance/Sandstorm you lose the weather war.
Quote from: Roz~ on November 16, 2012, 07:57:06 AMIt's not amazing, it's just very logical and everyone who runs a Sun team does that. Also letting your Ninetales faint is dumb, because if they have Politoed/Ttar or even a Pokemon packing Rain Dance/Sandstorm you lose the weather war.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 15, 2012, 07:27:50 PM...(in the case that it does), or just switch it out...
I'm not THAT crazy, you know... :P
bored again, random battles anyone?
So charizard, chandelure, and two Pokemon of my choosing. Okay.
I'm not going to be using droughtales or sunny day.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/customgame4567483
even though my friend used grass types, the Masquerain sweep was really enjoyable.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle4597692
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle4597813
Mad prediction skillz x2
Also a battle against another Finnish; he named himself "dick" xD
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle4597981
What's wrong with a Dick? Oh wait...
My amazing sun-team:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent4667805
You amateurs.
Play this:
While you look THIS:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent4911593
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent4915674
WHAT AN AMAZING LUCK!!
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 24, 2012, 05:26:56 AMYou amateurs.
Play this:
While you look THIS:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent4911593
"Copycat will fail if the target did not make a move selection in the round before the use of Copycat, switches out during the round Copycat is used, or if the opponent's last move used was Copycat or Mirror Move."
Hey wait what...
Why isn't he able to make any move at all? :P I thought that Copycat didn't have any higher priority in current generation??
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 24, 2012, 10:42:50 AMHey wait what...
Why isn't he able to make any move at all? :P I thought that Copycat didn't have any higher priority in current generation??
Prankster ftw
My new team!;
only lost once with it :P and i've been using that for a week now!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5299137
anyone wanna battle because I'm really bored??
NU anyone?
I have a NU team!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu5302348
Nebbles VS. Me
So close...
Anybody want to fight my "Uber" team? :P
me
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest5307669
Ah, ExtremeSpeed + Trick Room...
EDIT: My computer is glitching, and the team doesn't show up on any other browsers. X_X If it gets better later today, I'll wait for your challenge, though...
Decided to make an uber team:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest5308848
Gliscor for ubers
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 01, 2012, 06:04:38 PMDecided to make an uber team:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest5308848
Gliscor for ubers
Ice-type moves would like to disagree. Especially STAB ice... but Gallade with Ice Punch makes due... :P Poison Heal can come in handy with Toxic Orb.
LOL@ "Slay Me if You Can" the Rayquaza... :P
It was made for you :(
Guys!!! I just won a battle, because my opponent didn't want to kill a Cherrim!!!!! She was like "I can't do this, it's sooooooo cuuuute" and then she forfeited :P
no proof, never happened
ah, shuttup
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu5501746
cuz derps r awsm
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 05, 2012, 07:23:59 AMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu5501746
cuz derps r awsm
Oh hehehe!
Just tell me if you're ready to battle...
Anyone want to do a random battle?
Sure.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle5520362
Pure ownage. Also, lol at what the guy says to me at the end. People are telling me that a lot lately...
Can you resend your challenge?? D: I was watching a video and couldn't answer, sorry!
That was such an unfair battle XD
Team of all stage 1 Pokemon (with the exception of Kricketune) + Nebbles had a Palkia + I stink at Pokemon = I lose, badly.
that was hilarious though
Wasn't as bad as the time I got prankster cottonee with leech seed, toxic, substitute and encore and pissed off my friend enough that he ragequitted.
God I hate Whimsicott/Cottonee (even though I actually love them Dx)
I played a VGC match earlier today and we were both down to our Cresselia. I ended up winning because I had more PP than he had so he had to use Struggle :3
Quote from: Roz~ on December 05, 2012, 02:57:03 PMGod I hate Whimsicott/Cottonee (even though I actually love them Dx)
I played a VGC match earlier today and we were both down to our Cresselia. I ended up winning because I had more PP than he had so he had to use Struggle :3
That's why I always like to have ExtremeSpeed... especially on Normal-type Arceus...
Quote from: Nebbles on December 05, 2012, 02:46:56 PMCan you resend your challenge?? D: I was watching a video and couldn't answer, sorry!
look at you watching videos when there's pokemoning to be done.
Quote from: Shadoninja on December 05, 2012, 05:11:29 PMlook at you watching videos when there's pokemoning to be done.
I'm Pokemoning!!! If, off course, you mean "Pokemoning" as in making my own Pokemon. :P It's so frustrating turning drawn concepts into sprites!!
Quote from: Shadoninja on December 05, 2012, 05:11:29 PMlook at you watching videos when there's pokemoning to be done.
It was Chuggaa's newest episode of his LP.
...don't judge me >_>
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 05, 2012, 03:05:59 PMThat's why I always like to have ExtremeSpeed... especially on Normal-type Arceus...
More like Taunt on Thundurus.
Quote from: Shadoninja on December 05, 2012, 05:11:29 PMlook at you watching videos when there's pokemoning to be done.
Pokemoning >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything else
Quote from: Nebbles on December 05, 2012, 07:51:13 PMIt was Chuggaa's newest episode of his LP.
...don't judge me >_>
I was wondering if that's what you were watching. ::)
But I can't judge you because I watched it too XD
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle5662218
Hippopotas gets the MVP in this shit
Also I tested FSM's team:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5664604
Victory by 5% HP!!! OMFG
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 08, 2012, 04:19:04 AMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5664604
Victory by 5% HP!!! OMFG
Deoxys-Defense cannot stand up to Mother-In-Law. >:D
Bull Life reminds me of my Tauros in Pokemon Crystal (my HM slave, muhuhuhu), Bull Run.
Interesting name for a shark: O'Leary... :P
I actually know the show. It's quite interesting.
BAHAHHA THEY NAMED THEIR SHARK O'LEARY THAT'S FANTASTIC
It's only funny if you watch Shark Tank but still
Who's "they"?
whoever named their sharpedo, I assume, O'Leary in BDS' post??
Quote from: Nebbles on December 08, 2012, 03:40:01 PMBAHAHHA THEY NAMED THEIR SHARK O'LEARY THAT'S FANTASTIC
It's only funny if you watch Shark Tank but still
Oooohh! That (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_O'Leary) O'Leary!! I thought you meant this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_O'Leary) O'Leary or the other one (http://camphalfblood.wikia.com/wiki/Mrs._O'Leary)... :P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uu5793898
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uu5794618
Started playing UU
C:
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 10, 2012, 06:50:14 AMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uu5793898
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uu5794618
Started playing UU
C:
UU's the best.
Unless you're using it for stalling, I would give Zapdos Lightningrod.
I always have good luck in random battles (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle5834998)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle5835350
*insert Youngster Joey quote*
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5850449
also accidentally put choice band instead of focus sash on magikarp -.-'
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5853635
I love pissing people who think they can beat my epic Rattata off
MOST EPIC BATTLE EVER (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5851476)
Rattata owns a Latios, Ditto and Smeragle without using F.E.A.R
8)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle5934709
This was too amusing to now save a replay.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/customgame5932121
a 92 turn metronome battle
Metronome battles are the best =D
BUT 92 TURNS
That's exactly why they're so hilarious
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5972129
Sneak peak for my newest strategy. >:D
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 13, 2012, 10:46:08 AMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5972129
Sneak peak for my newest strategy. >:D
Only a few problems:
1: What if Leech Seed misses?
2: Priority moves.
3: Ice types.
However, if you replicate it on a larger scale, with a few more defensive measures, it would be a lot better to use (with still a few minor troubles).
EDIT: Another thought came to me, unrelated...
Regigigas would probably be in OU or Uber if it weren't for Slow Start. If Slow Start only took effect for 2 turns, it would still be bad, but better.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 13, 2012, 10:46:08 AMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou5972129
Sneak peak for my newest strategy. >:D
Sap Sipper (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sap_Sipper)
Magic Guard (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magic_Guard_%28Ability%29)
Substitute
Grass-types
Rapid Spin
Multiple hit moves (Bullet Seed, Dual Chop, Doubleslap, etc.)
Entry Hazards
Hail
Yes, I know. This strategy will become a part of my Priority Roar team.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 13, 2012, 08:52:28 PMYes, I know. This strategy will become a part of my Priority Roar team.
Just be aware that gimmicks will only work a few times on the same opponents.
Quote from: Shadoninja on December 13, 2012, 08:58:45 PMJust be aware that gimmicks will only work a few times on the same opponents.
Or only once on a really clever opponent...
On another note, I've fought FOUR opponents this month in the Uber tier that use the "Kyorge - Ferrothorn - Palkia - Giratina" combination. Seriosly people...? V-Create (and Draco Meteor) Rayquaza can handle all those but Kyorge (not combined, of course, especially because the two moves I listed reduce stats).
lol I'm just doing this for the laughs. It's so funny to see Rattata own someone! xD
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 13, 2012, 09:06:37 PMlol I'm just doing this for the laughs. It's so funny to see Rattata own someone! xD
Ghost-type Pokemon love F.E.A.R. >:D Though I suppose Rough Skin might have a similar effect?
I haven't even used F.E.A.R on Rattata.
Also, against a Ghost-type I have my Riolu and if it survives from that, the damage he has lost from Stealth Rocks/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Leech Seed gives Rattata an easy opportunity to Sucker Punch the ghost and win.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 13, 2012, 09:21:23 PMI haven't even used F.E.A.R on Rattata.
Also, against a Ghost-type I have my Riolu and if it survives from that, the damage he has lost from Stealth Rocks/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Leech Seed gives Rattata an easy opportunity to Sucker Punch the ghost and win.
You specifically mentioned Rattata; I thought you were referring to the tactic in general: Endeavor, commonly used by Rattata, does not affect Ghost-types.
Otherwise: Gengar, which has Levitate as well, negates Spikes and Toxic Spikes (additionally, Gengar can learn Toxic); using Roar to switch the opponent negates Leech Seed and grants a chance for the opponent to counter with a priority move, if they have one.
In some cases, although I doubt this, the opponent may have a Pokemon with Ingrain (in, as an example, a Smeargle-chain with Abomasnow).
I'm getting sick of people quitting in the middle of battle...
Quote from: Nebbles on December 13, 2012, 10:39:18 PMI'm getting sick of people quitting in the middle of battle...
Me too. There's this coward on PO called Thierry.
Quote from: Nebbles on December 13, 2012, 10:39:18 PMI'm getting sick of people quitting in the middle of battle...
I haven't really had much trouble with that from my opponents... but my computer often doesn't like it when I go on Pokemon Showdown in the first place... for some reason, it's not exactly computer-friendly. :P
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 13, 2012, 09:51:25 PMYou specifically mentioned Rattata; I thought you were referring to the tactic in general: Endeavor, commonly used by Rattata, does not affect Ghost-types.
I do know that strategy. I could use it with my Rattata if I wanted to, but I personally think it's a lame strategy. I like creating something original or improve someone's work.
Quote from: Shadoninja on December 13, 2012, 11:38:49 PMMe too. There's this coward on PO called Thierry.
I've had two cases of that: I sent out a Xatu, then Blaziken. Blaziken used Stealth Rock and due to Xatu's Magic Bounce, it bounced back the rocks to their side and I used psychic, nearly KO'ing their Blaziken. Then they quit.
The second one was after I managed to set up Sigilyph with Cosmic Power and abused Roost to heal itself, and after Psycho Shifting a burn from my Flame Orb to their Poochyena (which is when I abused Roost to heal myself), they just quit. I understood I had a garaunteed win, but still, accept your loss in dignity...
GUESS WHO JUST BEAT AN OU TEAM WITH A LC TEAM??? (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou6074477)
Baton Pass Chain didn't really work like it should have... (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou6434399)
Quote from: davy on December 21, 2012, 07:40:11 AMBaton Pass Chain didn't really work like it should have... (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou6434399)
Hahaha! I should've posted the video of what happened to me... except I had Gorebyss, so I could handle my opponent's Politoed a little better.
Rofl so I battled someone using the same strategy Waddle Bro uses with Riolu: Copycat + Roar with hazards. When I countered it he ragequit lolz
lol
I have become famous on Showdown! ::)
Quote from: Roz~ on December 21, 2012, 12:54:52 PMRofl so I battled someone using the same strategy Waddle Bro uses with Riolu: Copycat + Roar with hazards. When I countered it he ragequit lolz
People who rely too much on one strategy often have that happen... :P
That's why I have two backup Pokemon (Gallade and Gengar) and an extra pass Pokemon (Venomoth).
Here's how my strategy should go, if all goes well (> means next move):
Smeargle: Spore > Ingrain > Swords Dance > Baton Pass
Gorebyss: Shell Smash > Baton Pass
Dragonite: Dragon Dance > Whatever else I need
If it doesn't go too well:
Smearle: Spore > Ingrain > Swords Dance > Baton Pass
Venomoth: Quiver Dance > Baton Pass
Gorebyss: Shell Smash > Substitute > Baton Pass
Dragonite: Dragon Dance > Whatever else until it faints.
(repeats, except with Gorebyss before Venomoth, the final link)
(after all the pass Pokemon faint)
Gorebyss: Smell Smash > Baton Pass
Gengar: Toxic > Combination of Shadow Ball or Focus Blast
Gallade: Swords Dance > Drain Punch > Close Combat > Drain Punch :P
Baton Pass teams aren't too hard to counter.
Quote from: Roz~ on December 21, 2012, 01:18:24 PMBaton Pass teams aren't too hard to counter.
That's why I have Venomoth, just in case Smeargle gets poisoned (how can a water-type logically learn Toxix!?).
But, yeah, without Ingrain (or if the opponent switches after you use Spore), it's a lot easier to be thrown entirely off course; if the strategy works completely, though, it's a powerhouse. >:D
Venomoth isn't hard to counter either.
Venomoth can be a little fragile in some cases, so when I use it on my bug team, I gotta make sure it can be switched in safely enough for me execute Quiver Dance and totally sweep.
Quote from: Roz~ on December 21, 2012, 01:23:04 PMVenomoth isn't hard to counter either.
That's why it's part of a pass team. :P If the opponent keeps Politoed out, it can't do much (unless it has Perish Song; but it may have Ice Beam or a water-type move instead), and since Venomoth has higher Sp. Atk, especially after Quiver Dance (if you're able to do it), you may be able to use Hidden Power or even a move like Bug Buzz (if your Venomoth has those moves).
If they switch out to a type resistant to Bug, then Tinten Lens has a chance to take effect (again, plus Quiver Dance).
Essentially, it depends on the circumstance as well. Such as, in some cases, it may be better to send out Gorebyss before Venomoth.
Yeah, that's what I do with my Venomoth pretty much...
also, people not saying gg is a little rude. Like geez even when I lose I say it...
Quote from: Nebbles on December 21, 2012, 02:00:27 PMYeah, that's what I do with my Venomoth pretty much...
also, people not saying gg is a little rude. Like geez even when I lose I say it...
The only reason I don't say it is because my computer decides against it (e.g. it takes about a few minutes to click the chat and type it in, and by that time the opponent has already left).
Quote from: Nebbles on December 21, 2012, 02:00:27 PMYeah, that's what I do with my Venomoth pretty much...
also, people not saying gg is a little rude. Like geez even when I lose I say it...
Pokemon etiquette and sportmanship seems rare these days.
Yeah, I always say gg, but people never do it :(
Oh and some people really freak out over the kick button. Once I was in a match, I reckon it was my first UU match ever, and the guy hadn't picked a move for like 4-5 minutes, so I clicked on that button because... yeah I'd like to play. And then he started yelling at me because he was knew to this blablablah Dude you've been thinking for like 4 minutes, even if you're new to UU/Pokémon in general you should kinda know what to do at this point.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou6520424
O_`
Definition of an eye twitch: I fought a team with lots of potential-ubers, and won before the battle even really started. :'( Nooooooo...
I'm sorry if I'm rude, but I won't say gg unless it really was a good game and my opponent was good. I don't say gg if I beat someone like 4-0, sorry.
lol I owned an angry kid who had a 1700 ranking and he called me stupid for calling him a noob
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7468029
Oh and btw, my point count reset because I had to change my name; I won 691 points in just two matches!!! XD
Quote from: Roz~ on December 22, 2012, 08:04:31 AMOh and some people really freak out over the kick button.
Every time I do pokemon showdown, it randomly makes me press it a lot even when I'm not trying to? D:
I have to apologize to let the other person know I'm not trying to constantly kick them. :P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7552608
BO-BO-BO-BO-BODY BAG
Baton Passing is fun
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7624965
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7626141
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 11, 2013, 01:37:48 PMBaton Passing is fun
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7624965
The first mistake he made was sending out Politoed first; if he had waited for you to use Spore on another Pokemon, he could exploit, so to say, the Sleep Clause, and use Toxic (to kill Smeargle before it switched out).
Next mistake was trying to out-stat you with Swords Dance instead of, once again, trying to use Toxic. :P
Next: Repeated use of Iron Head on Substitute while Gliscor healed and powered up further.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7652217
Epic Clamperl sweep.
Epic Golurk and Clamperl Sweep.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7653573
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7655068
yay.
Me VS. Social
My team looked really bad, that Gurdurr with Ice Punch could have been the death of
me.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7662532
Roost spamming ftw
BONUS Baton Pass :3
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7663332
That's how you do it.
This is why you shouldn't use Perish Song on a Wobbuffet:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7667661
I love this topic somehow. :3
This is why Wobbuffet is my bro:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7669467
Epic battle I had that Blueflower was watching:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7669816
This was a fun one:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7672859
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 12, 2013, 03:41:45 AMMe VS. Social
My team looked really bad, that Gurdurr with Ice Punch could have been the death of
me.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7662532
Roost spamming ftw
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Look at these godly specimens and reflect on your errors.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7699534
Anyone up for a Metronome-only battle? (OU)
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 12, 2013, 04:34:25 PMAnyone up for a Metronome-only battle? (OU)
Okay, I have to make a team though.
Well, Social had to go... Anyone else Metronoming?
SWEEP.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7726677
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7726777
D: I lost because I thought you take recoil damage from Life Orb when using Endeavor and that would count in the damage total.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7727694
Amateur mistake. :(
Edit: Wobbuffet & Garchomp is a raw sweep
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent7729774
Edit2: A fun match I had with a clever twist in the end! :D
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/unratedrandombattle7730391
Still, anyone wanna Metronome battle? :c
I fell in love with Little Cup <3
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc7739218
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 13, 2013, 08:50:13 AMI fell in love with Little Cup <3
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc7739218
Maybe I can make a LC team... :K
EDIT: Making a team currently.
And, on a different note: I'm determined to mess with/"troll" anybody who insists on using Choice Scarf/Specs Kyogre (or just Kyogre in general, for that matter)... possibly by using Super Fang Pachirisu.
Here's how it would go:
There's a fierce battle; all the opponent's Pokemon (except Kyogre) have fainted (assuming that my newly thought out Forretress-Dragons strategy works beforehand :P). After the opponent sends out Kyogre, I send out Water Absorb Politoed. Thus, the opponent uses Thunder/Thunderbolt to faint Politoed... leading me to send out Volt Absorb Pachirisu... :P
EDIT: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc7779341 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc7779341)
Second match. First was a close defeat by a Buneary with Fake Out...
...You do realize that you only have to use Stealth Rocks once? You can't have multiple layers of them, like with Spikes.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 14, 2013, 05:23:33 AM...You do realize that you only have to use Stealth Rocks once? You can't have multiple layers of them, like with Spikes.
I was trying to click on Reflect; it wasn't the first time I've done something like that (accidentally using the same move twice)...
Also, do you think would it be better to use Pineco/Ferroseed instead of Turtwig for that purpose?
I recommend Pineco, usable as a Spinner too!
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 14, 2013, 08:58:30 AMI recommend Pineco, usable as a Spinner too!
Muhuhuhu. Now I can lay down multiple layers of spikes. Time to test again. :P
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 14, 2013, 08:58:30 AMI recommend Pineco, usable as a Spinner too!
Unless this is for a different tier or LC, why wouldn't you use Forretress?
Quote from: Nebbles on January 14, 2013, 01:49:16 PMUnless this is for a different tier or LC, why wouldn't you use Forretress?
It is LC.
But would you say that Pineco or Ferroseed is better??
Ah. Ferroseed definitely has better defenses for its steel typing, but is horrifically slow. My moveset for my Ferrothorn is Leech Seed, Spikes, Gyro Ball and Thunder Wave, I believe. And usually it's good to baton pass a defense boost or something so it can last longer.
On the flip side, you get a 4x fire weakness.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc7818237
The might Pineco intimidates all into forfeiting.
EDIT: Got stuck with a Pineco vs. Pineco; I wasn't able to lay any "traps" down, but I won anyway. :P The replay kept glitching, so...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7824429
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 14, 2013, 06:41:02 PMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle7824429
Hehehe; that gives people a reason to use Limber.
Showdown supports doubles now. Anyone want to play sometime?
Sure!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle8237514
A very close victory.
I have a sadistic idea for doubles:
Entry:
Mismagius and Azumarill with Huge Power.
Azumarill uses Protect; Mismagius uses Skill Swap to swap abilities.
Mismagius heals/defends itself until Azumarill faints; Regigigas is sent out, and Mismagius Skill Swaps Huge Power to it.
If all goes well, Regigigas gets to smash everything apart. :P
Slow Heatran + Trick Room Cresselia
Cresselia uses Skill Swap with Heatran and Heatran uses Lava Plume.
You're welcome.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 22, 2013, 05:35:08 AMSlow Heatran + Trick Room Cresselia
Cresselia uses Skill Swap with Heatran and Heatran uses Lava Plume.
You're welcome.
Drain Punch... :P
If you're talking about Regigigas, Drain Punch would give it a great chance to heal itself, if needed.
^Lava Plume hits Cresselia who absorbs it due to Flash Fire
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2013, 11:21:43 AM^Lava Plume hits Cresselia who absorbs it due to Flash Fire
But Drain Punch hits Heatran. Since Heatran now has Levitate, you can't use Earthquake against it; the second best thing would be a Fighting-type or Water-type move. Once Heatran is down, THEN you can worry about Cresselia.
I wasn't trying to say a counter to your team, I simply told you a combo which you should instead of that crappy Regigigas thingy. No offense, but it sucks.
That strategy eliminates the 4x weakness Heatran has. In double battles, especially VGC ones Earthquake VGC is meant to is one of the most used moves. Focus Blast is Heatran's No. 1 enemy. That's why I carry Chople Berry on a VGC Heatran. Surf is common in rain teams, but there isn't too much Pokemon to have Water Absorb in a VGC team. Lava Plume has 30 % chance of burn. Good to have on a VGC Heatran.
VGC in a nutshell: Defeat your opponent in the shortest period of time possible. Don't waste a single turn.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 22, 2013, 12:27:32 PMI wasn't trying to say a counter to your team, I simply told you a combo which you should instead of that crappy Regigigas thingy. No offense, but it sucks.
It gives Regigigas Huge Power, which doubles its already high attack (only Rampardos, Black Kyurem, and Deoxys-A have higher), instead of Slow Start, meaning that it can realize its full potential and beyond. Additionally, if Mismagius survives for another turn (not likely, because it has probably taken a lot of damage), it can Skill Swap it to the opponent and still have a bit more power to attack more.
Alternatively, you could also just Skill Swap Levitate to Regigigas, which merely gets rid of Slow Start (aside from the obvious effect); use Venomoth to give it Tinted Lens; or even use Xatu to give it Magic Bounce.
Tell you what, later today I'll challenge you into a duel, VGC Doubles, where you can test your Regigigas team and I'll use my regular VGC team.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 22, 2013, 12:41:06 PMTell you what, later today I'll challenge you into a duel, VGC Doubles, where you can test your Regigigas team and I'll use my regular VGC team.
*facepalm*
I don't even have the team yet... I was merely talking about the strategy (I haven't even decided on other supplement Pokemon to switch in after Mismagius/whatever Skill Swapper faints).
And, also, I was talking about Smogon Doubles, since I have never played VGC...
But I suppose, after I have refined my team, and have ample time, I will be willing to fight.
Smogon Doubles is fine too.
Then it is time for me to start planning... after I finish my schoolwork for today... :P
EDIT: Regigigigigigigas SMASH! (WIP)
EDIT: I've currently lost one battle because of Follow Me, and won another battle. Team still needs a little fine-tuning.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8283608
Testing my quickly made up Follow Me Team.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 22, 2013, 03:20:12 PMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8283608
Testing my quickly made up Follow Me Team.
Close battle; reminds me of the battle I won that ended up with Latios vs. Latios... :P
By "Follow Me Team," do you mean a team that uses Follow Me, or counters it?
omg your ninetails
Support Follow Me.
Quote from: Yugi on January 22, 2013, 03:40:55 PMomg your ninetails
I now rite!!!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8285319
For some reason, I've always thought that Regigigas looks a bit like a Christmas tree...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8285935
Vs. Waddle; I should have sent out Venomoth-Regigigas, but I thought he would have been expecting that (of course, he probably was, but... :P)... turned out not to work very well...
EDIT: Making a few changes to the team... then I'll call it a day.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle8289632 epic shuckle is epic
Quote from: Shadoninja on January 22, 2013, 05:14:14 PMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle8289632 epic shuckle is epic
Imagine what an evolution of Shuckle would be like!!! :P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8294202
Love owning all these LC pros with my team.
Ok; I've gotten the Regigigas-swap well (since the main Pokemon involved are now immune to flinchings, ruining a whole part of the opponent's strategy >:D) devised, but my support Pokemon keep failing me.
Blaziken functions rather well, and can take out oponents, but acts a bit like a "suicide bomber," with moves like Hi Jump Kick and Flare Blitz; I can't complain about it, because it's helpful in many cases.
Gengar, intended as a replacement for Mismagius to serve a similar purpose, just isn't cutting it; it seems a bit too frail, and despite its high speed, can't often land a hit on an opponent (in some cases, using Substitute doesn't help at all...).
Likewise, Magnezone can't take a hit either, at least before it serves its purpose. D:
Since Gengar and Magnezone apparantly aren't working out well (at least with this combination), what Pokemon do you suggest I replace them with?
What is your entire team? I'll look into it.
Team, in order of Team Builder, including a small bit of logic behind each:
Alakazam - Choice Scarf - Inner Focus
Skill Swap - Psychic - Energy Ball - Shadow Ball
HP 252 - Sp Atk 4 - Speed 252 - Timid (+Speed, -Atk)
(can quickly pass ability to Regigigas, and withstand a hit from Fake Out; if it survives, it can pass the ability onto another opponent; if forced to switch out, it can come back with one of its attacking moves)
Regigigas - Leftovers - Slow Start
Thunder Wave - Earthquake - Drain Punch - Fire Punch
HP 252 - Atk 252 - Speed 4 - Adamant (+Atk, -Sp Atk)
(has enough HP to withstand many attacks; first turn, uses Thunder Wave to paralyze an opponent, then uses Earthquake or Drain Punch when Latios is out)
Gengar - Leftovers - Levitate
Substitute - Focus Blast - Shadow Ball - Disable
HP 4 - Sp Atk 252 - Speed 252 - Timid (+Speed, -Atk)
(meant to try and counter Psychic-type counters like other ghosts and dark-types; recently, I Disabled another Gengar's Shadow Ball and was able to OHKO it with Shadow Ball, although, for some reason, it doesn't seem to be able to outspeed much else??)
Magnezone - Air Balloon - Magnet Pull
Hidden Power Ground - Volt Switch - Flash Cannon - Substitute
HP 100 - Sp Atk 252 - Speed 156 - Timid (+Speed, -Atk)
(originally intended to trap steel-types and counter them, it never seems to be fast, nor bulky, nor powerful enough to do that)
Blaziken - Black Belt - Speed Boost
Protect - Superpower - Hi Jump Kick - Flare Blitz
HP 4 - Atk 252 - Speed 252 - Jolly (+Speed, -Sp Atk)
(I originally had Leftovers on Blaziken as well, but they don't work well enough to warrant their use in this situation, and Black Belt provides a better boost, doesn't sacrifice HP, something I really need, and doesn't only work on super-effective moves)
Latios - Life Orb - Levitate
Heal Pulse - Draco Meteor - Psyshock - Surf
HP 252 - Sp Atk 252 - Speed 4 - (Timid (+Speed, -Atk)
(Latios is able to effictively keep Regigigas alive for much longer, especially when combined with Drain Punch, and is not affected by Earthquake. When used with Blaziken, it can use Surf after Blaziken uses Protect)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou8399294
really close ou battle
Random... uh... battle tie...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle8431758
EDIT: More random battle(s):
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle8538035
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle8538486
Regigigas Sweep
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8635086 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8635086)
I've found sufficient sweepers to replace Gengar and Magnezone with, although they serve different purposes. It provides better balance to my team, and I've discovered how to use the Regigigas strategy most effectively.
BDS here's a badass combo for your team. I promise it'll work well.
Espeon + Regigigas
Espeon - Light Clay - Magic Bounce
HP 252 - Def 188 - Spe 68 (Timid, +Spe, -Atk)
Skill Swap
Reflect
Light Screen
Protect
Regigigas - Chople Berry - Slow Start
HP 4 - Atk 252 - Spe 252 (Adamant, +Atk, -SpA)
Earthquake
Wide Guard
Drain Punch
Rock Slide
Aww yeah, the LC Champion is here to stay. 8)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8654975
Edit, also a fun match I had.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8663373
What server do you guys play on?
There is only one server in Pokemon Showdown, I think. That means we can play with whoever we want.
Also a nice battle against a sand team.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8663791
Lileep ftw
Erm... do you just click the play online button? If you scroll down there is a list of servers to chose from (i.e. smogon.)
idk, I have installed Showdown on my computer.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 28, 2013, 10:30:12 AMidk, I have installed Showdown on my computer.
Oh, I just use the browser version, I wonder if they use the same server.
someone should create an nsm server
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3471631
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8668751 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles8668751)
If I had Espeon, I'd be forced to get rid of Thunder Wave, something that often debilitates foes in order to help Regigigas sweep (in many cases :P). The "Sandstorm Bros.," Tyranitar and Excadrill, seem to be very capable as supports.
Quote from: Shadoninja on January 28, 2013, 11:12:16 AMsomeone should create an nsm server
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3471631
I'll look into it.
Also BDS, please use Magic Guard with Alakazam.
EDIT: Guys I was multi-tasking!!! I was playing two games at the same time! :O
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8671289
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8671318
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8677124
shit I had like a 9-win streak going on. :(
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 28, 2013, 12:05:02 PMAlso BDS, please use Magic Guard with Alakazam.
The reason I switched to Alakazam was for Inner Focus (and because it's faster than Venomoth); Magic Guard does not prevent flinching, something I encountered as a problem, since Fake Out is rather prominent... if I use Magic Guard, Alakazam will be vulnerable to flinching, which will mean that the opponent will be able to faint it before it uses Skill Swap.
After Alakazam faints, Regigigas will not be affected by flinching, meaning that it can further its path of destruction. :P
A super fun metronome rematch I had with Blueflower!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou8744725
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 29, 2013, 03:31:28 PMA super fun metronome rematch I had with Blueflower!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou8744725
How does a Metronome battle work? What Pokemon can you choose, etc. rules?
Final Fantasy Logic: Giant Explosion misses your target.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 29, 2013, 03:35:53 PMHow does a Metronome battle work? What Pokemon can you choose, etc. rules?
The Pokemon themselves don't really matter. The only real rule is that the only move they can know is Metronome.
Is struggle allowed?
Well... yeah. After the PP on Metronome has run out.
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 29, 2013, 03:38:12 PMThe Pokemon themselves don't really matter. The only real rule is that the only move they can know is Metronome.
Making a Metronome team. >:D
^I'll cream you ;)
I'll now make a super hardcore Metronome team :3
Blueflower, I am ready. Begin? :P
A metronome team? Oh I have one too. :o We should battle later.
wynaut now
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons8749640
hez such a cheater ::)
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 29, 2013, 04:21:31 PMwynaut now
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons8749640
hez such a cheater ::)
Spiritomb is great because of its typing and ability.
So is Aerodactyl...
Drifblim because Aftermath (didn't work?).
Electrode because Static.
Gallade because it's epic and has Justified.
Tyranitar because Sand Stream. :P
and none of them can't learn metronome ::)
Hrrmmm... going to make a Balanced Hackmons team... >:D
Groudon + Kyurem-W (Solar Power as ability)... might be a good start. Blissey... might be very good...
Wondertomb is THE hackmon everyone should have.
Leftovers
Curse
Magic Coat
Leech Seed
Recover
Demolition
Of course this Pokemon would need Heal Bell support, but it's still a badass team.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 30, 2013, 05:16:39 AMWondertomb is THE hackmon everyone should have.
Leftovers
Curse
Magic Coat
Leech Seed
Recover
Demolition
Of course this Pokemon would need Heal Bell support, but it's still a badass team.
Wonder Guard isn't allowed in Balanced Hackmons, I believe, as are Pure Power and Huge Power (certain Pokemon could literally KO anything in one hit with those...)
I never said anything about Balanced Hackmons. :p
Wondertomb and Wondersable ftw.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 30, 2013, 01:05:38 PMI never said anything about Balanced Hackmons. :p
Wondertomb and Wondersable ftw.
Toxic. Sandstorm. Hail. Will-o-Wisp. Wondertomb vs. Wondertomb. :P
But seriously: Balanced Hackmons allows people to realize the true and currently unexplored full potential of competitive Pokemon battling!! It opens up more possibilities than there would even be!
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 30, 2013, 01:09:21 PMToxic. Sandstorm. Hail. Will-o-Wisp. Wondertomb vs. Wondertomb. :P
Heal Bell support. Leftovers. Recover. Magic Coat.
Wondersable Mean Look + Perish Song ftw
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 30, 2013, 01:15:05 PMHeal Bell support. Leftovers. Recover. Magic Coat.
Wondersable Mean Look + Perish Song ftw
But would you have to switch out for Heal Bell...? Unless Wondertomb had it, which would make it mostly a non-offensive Pokemon.
Vs. Mean Look :P
BDS, Wondertomb is the best hackmon of all time. There is no arguing about that. Period.
Also epic LC team, Waddle.
I could argue with that. It's really cheap and not even funny.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on January 30, 2013, 03:05:33 PMBDS, Wondertomb is the best hackmon of all time. There is no arguing about that. Period.
Also epic LC team, Waddle.
Skill Swap Normal Arceus with "average" ability. :P Now only Fighting-type moves can hit Arceus.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 30, 2013, 03:28:18 PMSkill Swap Normal Arceus with "average" ability. :P Now only Fighting-type moves can hit Arceus.
I'm pretty sure wonder guard is banned in hackmons anyways.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 30, 2013, 03:32:41 PMI'm pretty sure wonder guard is banned in hackmons anyways.
It's banned in Balanced Hackmons, but not regular Hackmons, I believe?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 30, 2013, 03:33:27 PMIt's banned in Balanced Hackmons, but not regular Hackmons, I believe?
Correct. It would be quite funny to ban something from hacked tier.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8870763 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8870763)
First time in Hackmons. I didn't get to test all of my team, and Moxie Regigigas was hit by Close Combat. D:
I was going to have a strategy where Contrary Rayquaza Baton Passed into Shadow Tag Dialga, but unfortunately, Shadow Tag is banned in balanced (Speed Boost it is, I guess :P)...
Wynaut Drought on Deoxys-Speed
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 31, 2013, 12:57:35 PMWynaut Drought on Deoxys-Speed
??
Do you mean that I should put that ability on Deoxys-Speed? If that's the case, I did that after the battle (and replaced Sunny Day with Magic Coat); I'll test it again later.
lol I can't believe you didn't get the Wynaut pun. :P
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on January 31, 2013, 01:24:16 PMlol I can't believe you didn't get the Wynaut pun. :P
Not at first, though. ;)
Hmm I should give Balanced hackmons a try sometime.
Currently downloading Showdown...
Ruthlessly stole Waddle's super good team:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8881955
Seriously holy shit that is a good team. :O
Random battles anyone?
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8882436 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8882436)
And I didn't even need to switch out after Rayquaza... :P
EDIT: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8932652 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8932652)
Huge Power Regigigas would be the only thing better... but then again, for that purpose, I might as well use Kyurem-B or Deoxys-A (although Deoxys is more fragile).
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8933057 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8933057)
Uh, well... that was... (not too sure what to say)
EDIT:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8961710 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8961710)
O_O
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8962691 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons8962691)
Trolololo'ed the Shuckle-troll with Blissey. I'm starting to despise Pokemon-Showdown trolls, since they don't offer a very good battle. I don't think he realized that Blissey's copied Rollout was running out of PP... :P
Made a small change in Waddle's LC team:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8975155
I changed the EvioMite into a Scarfer.
Edit: That Scarfed Elekid caught me off-guard.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/lc8975700
And more epic OU:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou8978206
That Snatch was fucking amazing.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru9044227 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru9044227)
First RU battle went rather well. :P
EDIT:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons9087346 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/balancedhackmons9087346)
[Redacted]
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle9204495
Excadrill sweep whoo whoo
Quote from: Nebbles on February 05, 2013, 12:20:41 PMhttp://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle9204495
Excadrill sweep whoo whoo
Hey. :P How come, whenever I try to use boosting moves in a random battle, my opponent always OKHO or 2HKOs me without a second thought. :P
Dude, my opponent was a Wigglytuff. It's not like I had a challenge from the start.
But man, it felt good to sweep like that.
It's super hard to kill a Wigglytuff in the emotional level, people!!!
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on February 05, 2013, 12:41:30 PMPLEASE stop abusing that poor smiley
It's a bit of a habit...
"Hey. :P "
Do you see why it's bad?
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on February 05, 2013, 01:08:14 PM"Hey. :P "
Do you see why it's bad?
You're taking it out of context...
No I'm not. You said it before your other sentence which also had a tongue smiley in the end.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on February 05, 2013, 01:18:17 PMNo I'm not. You said it before your other sentence which also had a tongue smiley in the end.
But you're taking the word "hey" out of context.
No, I'm not. The word "hey" has nothing to do with a statement, making the smiley unnecessary.
[Redacted]
idk, I'll stop nao
Going to Showdown now, doing some randomness there
Watch and learn.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle9212099
omg
SO EPIC AND CLOSE MATCH WITH BLUEFLOWER
FUCKING EPIC EPIC EPIC
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle9218252
I WAS *THIS* CLOSE
HOLY SHIT THAT WAS A CLOSE BATTLE
1% away...
-___
-
*-___-
:D
Probs the closest game I've ever played!!!
I might save that voice over it as a special for my channel. Because DAMN.
I would be honored to be in a video on Nebbles' channel :o
Please do!
When I'm not sick anymore, I shall.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9356071 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9356071)
Hrm. Regice allows Shuckle to easily set up Acupressure; with luck, you'll have good boosts, and sweep.
I haven't had successful Acupressure!Shuckle sweeps, sadly...
Quote from: Nebbles on February 07, 2013, 07:42:08 PMI haven't had successful Acupressure!Shuckle sweeps, sadly...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9356784 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9356784)
It takes a bit of luck; sometimes it works, but other times, it doesn't. That's why you need a strong team to back it up (Captain Obvious statement).
Well yes, but they've all been random matches... so most of the time, my luck falls short.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9358065 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9358065)
LOL. And he told me my team was too weak to rock (which, of course, it is, but usually that becomes insignificant with Armaldo or Shuckle)... I guess second time is the charm.
I find it funny, though, how some people brag about how strong they are, and then, when they are about to lose, they forfeit... I'm glad that there are some people that still have honor (meant both in a literal and sarcastic sense).
Ugh, I get so many people who quit once they realize they can't beat me. Even if I get trashed in a battle, I still say good game. What ever happened to a sense of honor, or you know, not being an ass?
[Redacted]
Eh, I've never really forfeited before against anyone who's not a friend.
Quote from: Shadoninja on February 08, 2013, 03:35:56 AMI forfeit when there's obviously no way I could win. It's chess etiquette to do so because continuing would waste your opponent's time. I was trying to find a chess term for it but couldn't find one so I decided to go with Italian, "Mi dimetto, buon gioco" or "I resign, good game." Zugzwang is a close contender but that means that you're at a disadvantage because you're forced to make a move.
But that's not the point... you saw that the person I fought forfeited because he was expecting an easy sweep.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on February 07, 2013, 08:14:49 PMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9358065 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9358065)
Holy shit that guy was stupid.
EDIT: My Showdown just died!!! DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on February 08, 2013, 11:13:26 AMHoly shit that guy was stupid.
EDIT: My Showdown just died!!! DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:
He had fought me before, so he was probably expecting an easy sweep.
i want to play with someone
i even have a team and everything
DIBS
Mashi I'll battle you. What tier?
<333
I don't know what a tier is. :(
But as long as the battle allows for multiple types of one Pokemon, I'm good!!!
My username on the thingy is Mashi, also.
I'll be there in a sec, wait for me darling!!!
Oh Mashi, can we battle too?
I challenged him first!!!
Quote from: blueflower999 on February 08, 2013, 01:57:02 PMI challenged him first!!!
I called dibs you jerk D:<
Mashi I challenged you!!! Accept it!
No clue who this nexus_5 is, but I suppose I'm battling him???
Also, sure, everyone! I warn you all, however, I am a Pokemon Master... Dunce!!!
Nebbles and blueflower999, if you two still want to completely annihilate me, I'm open!
If it's all right though, I would prefer if our match wasn't random and allowed for multiple of a Pokemon and that we didn't see each other's Teams at the beginning!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle9404115 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle9404115)
OHMY. I MUST EXPLODED.
A Sunkern in the hands of Mashi is very dangerous, and MUST be eliminated before it begins its destructive rampage.
Quote from: Mashi on February 08, 2013, 02:40:56 PMNebbles and blueflower999, if you two still want to completely annihilate me, I'm open!
If it's all right though, I would prefer if our match wasn't random and allowed for multiple of a Pokemon and that we didn't see each other's Teams at the beginning!
Fine with me!
I took over Mashi and almost won!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle9404915
Sorry! The storm here is probably causing connection problems.
And FSM-Reapr, yaaay.
Anyhow, I'll try to come back again!!!
No problem :o Ready to battle when you are.
I already challenged him :3
What come on :C Lemme battle!
Sorry, Nebbles. :(
In compensation, I'll battle you three times if you want! Which means I'll be completely destroyed three times!!!
[Redacted]
If you want? It's up to you. :o I'm accepting all challenges, though!
Okay, Nebbles, I'm ready!!!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle9408547
bidoof > all
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9607431 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu9607431)
;) Gorebyss ultra-NU FTW!! 8)
Double post; I got into VGC on Pokemon Showdown.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev9851773 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev9851773)
LOL @ his overly explosive reaction.
EDIT: I think it's safe to wait until he's offline to go back on. :P I don't want anybody to be banned, if you understand the point I am trying to get across. :P
LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL
More VGC; last battle for today. Politoed can't take a good ol' Draco Meteor. :P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev9861742 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev9861742)
AHAHAHAHA. He was a great sport till he started losing, funny how that works.
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-randombattle9949277
...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle10155559
I WON BY 1% WOOOO
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on February 15, 2013, 04:33:08 PMMore VGC; last battle for today. Politoed can't take a good ol' Draco Meteor. :P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev9861742 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013dev9861742)
I don't want to sound mean, but that was kind of a terrible battle. =/
There were a bunch of questionable plays on both sides, and honestly if your opponent hadn't missplayed that badly on the lat 2 turns he would've won.
But hey, at least you won so that's good. And Ptoed can take a DM if it's a Sp. Def. build, but this one clearly was Scarfed. Your team has decent synergy, except for the fact that you can't use Sash on Volcarona/Weavile which is kind of a shame.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle10875361
Opponent wasn't all that great, but I learned that Sigilyph can destroy the opponent if you can set up.
Totally been trolling people all day
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11012713
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11012857 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11014517
Lawl at the Ferrothorn kill
damn rickroll'd
Bursted out laughing so hard when a PROBOPASS made Ferrothorn her bitch. A+++++++++
EDIT: Just realized. Probopass made Ferrothorn her bitch. Ferrothorn used POWER WHIP. My mind is a genius.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on March 03, 2013, 06:16:54 AMTotally been trolling people all day
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11012713
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11012857 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11014517
Lawl at the Ferrothorn kill
Gives people a reason to use Quagsire. ;)
Snivy sweep in Random battles.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle11073907
Can't wait until Contrary on Serperior is allowed in OU.
My first battle in ages:
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11407660
I was so nervous at the end, because it appeared that he would win, if only he would use psychic, but then for some reason he just didn't? D:
And my luck continues:
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11408425
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11410422
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11410950
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11411183
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11411478
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons11617820 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons11617820)
I wonder if they chose the wrong team...?
EDIT:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons11618139 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons11618139)
...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons11618316 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons11618316)
Are these people even in the right area? Or have they just forgotten about No Guard Deoxys?
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons11618858 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/hackmons11618858)
Now that's more like it! :D
Quote from: UnknownKirbyMan on March 03, 2013, 08:56:55 PMSnivy sweep in Random battles.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle11073907
Can't wait until Contrary on Serperior is allowed in OU.
dat snivy
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-randombattle12737690
I haven't played OU since the HGSS era, so I decided to make a team and try it out on showdown. I just flinchhaxed this guy to win a match I could've lost otherwise because he avoided a bunch of my moves. Lolz
I still prefer the VGC meta though, OU's kinda boring unfortunately.
GUYS. GO ON SHOW DOWN RIGHT NOW.
I love April Fools' day.
Lolz I played a bit on PS today and it was funny =P
A friend of mine helped with that prank too. It's pretty hilarious.
Do you know a place where I can look at all the sprites?
Quote from: Roz~ on April 01, 2013, 07:01:12 PMLolz I played a bit on PS today and it was funny =P
A friend of mine helped with that prank too. It's pretty hilarious.
What? I don't see anything??
It's over... :'(
I only played random battles because the sprites made it hard to focus on the battles =P
Here's the battle where I flinchhaxed someone. I guess it made up for the fact that I missed so many Hydro Pumps. Also that was my first battle in the BW OU tier, so I guess I didn't do that bad.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou12434054
It gives me an error. :/
Awwww that's sad. Oh well, basically what happened is: I would've easily won that battle because I was predicting the guy, but my Rotom-W missed all of its Hydro Pumps/WoW. Then all I had left was my Terrakion and he had 3 'mons left, and I flinched them all to death. That's what I call justice =P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/seasonalfoolsfestival14012193 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/seasonalfoolsfestival14012193)
I hate the type-changing. Eeh!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14425480 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14425480)
Test #1 of all-sand OU; all-sand just for the fun of it! :P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14425931 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14425931)
Oddly enough... it catches people off guard. O_o
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14426297 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14426297)
... quite... deadly...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14426534 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14426534)
Garchomp is a threat, though... Tyranitar has Aqua Tail, but it's not enough. Suggestions??
How about you don't freaking switch your Ttar in on a obvious Earthquake?
But uh normally you should be able to handle it with your Gliscor.
Most gaming websites are blocked at my school (including NSM, BTW), but Pokemon Showdown isn't. ???
I know what I'm doing in my free periods from now on.
"We are the school council and we will ban every gaming site, including everything that starts with "Nin" like Nintendo. Everybody knows that kids play Nintendo games on periods, do you think we're stupid?! DETENTION"
You know, weirdly NSM isn't blocked at my school.
Every website with the word "game" was banned at my school. So NSM and Smogon were banned. That was pretty dumb. u_u
BDS you shouldn't post all the victories you'll ever have with that team in one post
Quote from: Waddle Bro on April 14, 2013, 12:44:56 PMBDS you shouldn't post all the victories you'll ever have with that team in one post
I'll get on our laptop today to post more.Nice encouraging words, Waddle. :P I'll try my best. As I said, though, it's all-sand for the fun of it (because it's extremely vulnerable to weather change).
And because I have a reasonable excuse to put Sandslash on my team.
Your usage of Tyranitar made want to wear a blindfold.
Plz take an advantage of that 50% Special Defense boost sand gives to rock-types.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14822566 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-14822566)
Oh that Jirachi...
I got lucky with Gliscor.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-15816481
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-15816692
ground is not super effective against ground
Quote from: Yugi on April 24, 2013, 02:55:09 AMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-15816481
LOL! I love how he used Toxic against you (apparently, he knows nothing about Gliscor)!!
^That battle was horrible.
"ermergerd i haz samurott ill use suparpowah on gliscor fuck logic
nvm gliscor just used acrobatics so gogogo machamp u can doiiiit fuck logic ok nao ariados kill dat bastard" lolnope
I was actually stalling the battle at the end, I wanted Ivysaur to faint so that my LITTLE TADPOLE could end him.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-15941062
I tested out my new strategy. He left because of my PIMP.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-15943529
Strategy didn't go as planned here. Still won though.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/capmalacondaplaytest-16291966 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/capmalacondaplaytest-16291966)
Malaconda Playtest. Dat Solarbeam vs. Swampert.
Good battle, but terrible use of Malaconda.
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/capmalacondaplaytest-16791814 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/capmalacondaplaytest-16791814)
EDIT: Raikou in rain is deadly, especially against Malaconda.
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/capmalacondaplaytest-16928654 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/capmalacondaplaytest-16928654)
Shadowsocial?
Quote from: Yugi on April 27, 2013, 06:09:10 PMShadowsocial?
1: Shiny sprite looks like a creature of the night.
2: Yes, Social. Yugi-Fox. 0-:D
Double post.
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-17467064 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-17467064)
I also like to live dangerously.
EDIT:
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-17527660 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-17527660)
I thought that I was doomed once he sent Lugia out. Munchlax thought otherwise.
Mad props to the opponent for the U-Turn predction.
"be nice and tell me if you have flash fire"
Oh, you know, it's not like Ninetails had drought or anything.
Quote from: FireArrow on May 06, 2013, 03:45:32 PM"be nice and tell me if you have flash fire"
Oh, you know, it's not like Ninetails had drought or anything.
I didn't even notice that until the third time I watched the replay. XD
So I suck at teambuilding and thus have been sticking to randbats. Then this happened.
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-18264235
I have new respect for Zigzagoon.
I do say, random battles are often quite fun!
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-18530701 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-18530701)
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-18634445 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-18634445)
Well yikes.
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-18861097 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-18861097)
I got lucky, but he was rather foolish! :P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-21168580 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-21168580)
Wobbuffet power!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-21426398 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-21426398)
To be fair, though, it WAS a critical hit...
This Ubers rain team is rather interesting, and without the Sleep Clause in Ubers (because there's a suspect test right now), Darkrai can easily be exploited. :P
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest-18925548 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest-18925548)
Luck was on my side at the end there. Well, they don't come any closer than that!! (http://movie-sounds.org/adventure-movie-sounds/indiana-jones-and-the-last-crusade-1989/well-they-dont-come-any-closer-than-that)
http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest-18999085 (http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest-18999085)
The battles are rather fun, but the enhanced luck-based aspect isn't always so fun...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest-19291029 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest-19291029)
Ah, ha ha! Great ending!
Double post because the last post was quite some time ago.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-36788873 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-36788873)
This is how you use a Machamp... or rather, how you don't use a Skarmory and/or Hydreigon...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-36789367 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-36789367)
I don't think they realized that they could've just switched into Gengar... :P
^ Machamp too OP.
Getting back into Ubers... Didn't play so great though.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-36810789
Why do people use Flame Charge Ho-oh instead of Tailwind?
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-36821936
Really shouldn't have won this one, with the moves that I made. >_>
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-36802856
Just messing around. Thought it was funny seeing a mono-Dragon team.
...And I just found out there's a VGC mode. Should've used showdown to test my doubles teams instead. >_>
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013-36826344
Luxray's pretty cool in Doubles.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-37816683
GAZE UPON IT AND DESPAIR
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-38133637
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-38135176
First Time Using my new OU Team.
Aggron and the electric eel thing(yes, I don't even remember it's name BECAUSE NOBODY USES IT) in an OU team whyyyyyyyy
I hate that competitive attitude. Just because something is traditionally OU doesn't mean you shouldn't use it in OU. What matters is that you have fun, and if that means playing UU pokemon in OU, so be it.
If you're playing competitively on a simulator that's meant to do that, then I think I have a right to ask why are you using NU/RU Pokemon on an OU team.
Get over it.
Quote from: TV Tropesbecause the Tiers list Smogon popularized was made specifically so that players can use their favorite Pokémon without getting steamrolled by every ten-year-old who disregards that advice and just packs their team with Game Breakers.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on July 06, 2013, 03:36:20 PMIf you're playing competitively on a simulator that's meant to do that, then I think I have a right to ask why are you using NU/RU Pokemon on an OU team.
Get over it.
Sometimes NU/UU pokemon make great additions to OU teams.
Anyways, I'd just prefer if you didn't phrase it to make it look like people who do that are bad players.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 06, 2013, 05:46:34 PMAnyways, I'd just prefer if you didn't phrase it to make it look like people who do that are bad players.
I fail to see what you mean by this.
But why would you put NU/UU pokemon on an OU team? From a competitive standpoint, you generally don't mix tiers....
Like, if you want to use NU/UU pokemon, why not make a team of them? In non competitive it doesn't matter, but if you're seriously battling pokemon, you can't ignore stuff like that.
I have Sigilyph and Shuckle on my team and it works fine.
To be honest I'm not sure why they're both ranked so low.
They're very gimmicky, though. Non-gimmicky lower tier pokemon would be destroyed in OU if not handled well.
True, but I've swept entire teams with them before if I get a little lucky.
Although I suppose luck isn't always on my side.
Quote from: TV Tropesbecause the Tiers list Smogon popularized was made specifically so that players can use their favorite Pokémon without getting steamrolled by every ten-year-old who disregards that advice and just packs their team with Game Breakers.
If they're truly game breaking, they should be put in Ubers or banned entirely.
tiers dun exist
jk
Quote from: Nebbles on July 06, 2013, 06:17:10 PMBut why would you put NU/UU pokemon on an OU team? From a competitive standpoint, you generally don't mix tiers....
Like, if you want to use NU/UU pokemon, why not make a team of them? In non competitive it doesn't matter, but if you're seriously battling pokemon, you can't ignore stuff like that.
The thing is, tiers in Pokemon are based on usage. Low tier Pokemon aren't necessarily bad, they just don't serve roles that fit for as many teams as other Pokemon. That doesn't mean that they can't serve their own niches though.
Like, Wobbuffet isn't Uber, but with supportive skills like Shadow Tag and Encore, he makes for a great setup Pokemon in the Ubers tier for the likes of Blaziken or Arceus. I'm not very familiar with OU this gen, but I don't think Azumarill is an OU Pokemon, yet his access to Huge Power + Aqua Jet lets him become a threat to some common OU Pokemon like Volcarona or Terrakion.
Or maybe look at Double Battles. Say you want an Electric-type that serves as a Light Screener, and you narrow down your choices to Raikou and Luxray. They can both serve the role well, with similar movepools for the job, with Light Screen and Snarl being the most notable moves. Raikou is more common to see thanks to its better overall stats, but Luxray is unique in that he also has Intimidate. By using Luxray's Screen + Snarl to block Special Attacks, and by having other Intimidate users on your team to stack Attack drops (and abusing Volt Switch on Luxray to swap to them repeatedly), you have a solid defensive core for both Physical and Special Attacks. In contrast, Raikou only protects on the Special side, so Luxray has a niche over Raikou, despite their similarities for the role.
So basically, low tier and uncommon Pokemon can have their uses in high-level play if they're used to serve unique niches. So when starting a team, using your favourites is viable in a team-based game like Pokemon, as long as you ask yourself "What can this Pokemon do, that others can't?" And then when it comes to deciding on the rest of your team, you shouldn't restrict yourself to just Pokemon in the same tier, but instead identify what specific role you need to strengthen your team, then narrow your search from there.
But I haven't played competitively since Gen 3, so my team-building philosophies might be outdated. >_>
i have a bad team
Anyone up for a Random/OU/Hackmons battle?
Quote from: blueflower999 on July 06, 2013, 07:38:00 PMAnyone up for a Random/OU/Hackmons battle?
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38258494 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38258494)
Kwahahahaha... oh... :P
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-38260649
Me beating Yugi. I guess I'm not all that terrible after all. :)
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on July 06, 2013, 06:13:51 PMI fail to see what you mean by this.
I'm sorry - to me is looked like Waddle was implying the Yugi was making an idiotic mistake by putting non OU pokemon on his team. Echo's post sums up my thoughts (though he says it much better than I ever could.)
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Edit:
Cinccino too stronk: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38388357 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38388357)
lol at that rating drop
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublesvgc2013-38284232
Quote from: FireArrow on July 06, 2013, 09:20:38 PMI'm sorry - to me is looked like Waddle was implying the Yugi was making an idiotic mistake by putting non OU pokemon on his team. Echo's post sums up my thoughts (though he says it much better than I ever could.)
It wasn't an idiotic mistake, I was just interested since you see those in an OU team very rarely.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on July 07, 2013, 09:59:54 PMIt wasn't an idiotic mistake, I was just interested since you see those in an OU team very rarely.
Ugh, sorry, reading it over, it was a lot less rude then I originally thought (For some reason I thought you were laughing at him.) Misunderstandings suck - and I'm REALLY sorry. That being said, we did get a good discussion out of it. 8)
I'm actually really enjoying Hackmons and I'm doing quite well at it. I'm actually fairly close to getting into the top 100 for the site. ^_^
Does anyone here play Hackmons that would like to battle me? I assure you it's a ton of fun if you've never tried it.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38809420
clutch considering he destroyed me the first two times
dat spiritomb
I'm hooked onto PS now.
Butterfly Powa - http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38823799 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38823799)
Classic Snivy - http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38826815 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-38826815)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-39288440
Spinda sweep.
Blueflower defeated me amidst exploding severs. Sadly, once everything returned to normal, he was gone.
I'd like a rematch. ;)
my epic RU team
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-rususpecttest-39857812
Your fav Pokemons, I'm assuming.
Duckletts are cool as hell and as proven here, deadly, lol.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/battletower-ou-58931
Probably the most unintentionally long battle I have ever seen.
And yet I win. :)
Christmas Tree Victory (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-41262516)
Surely I can't be the only one who thinks Regigigas would make a good Christmas Tree...?
Take Regigigas. Put it in a pot of boiling water. Add luck. What do you get (aside from a very angry titan)? (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-41707993)
This replay.
Much better Regi battle. (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-41720647)
Defensive Regigigas is great.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-45935699
Zoroark sweep is the best, especially if they don't realize what's going on.
Leafeon sweep in Uber. (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/uberssuspecttest-19195137)
Why the thing is "NU" I'll never know.
Because it's not that good. And the guy you played against was bad.
Although (probably) unrelated, why do people constantly use fucking charizard in Ubers?
Becuz Genwunners.
Choice Scarf + Solar Power makes Charizard usable, although there are better options. People just like Charizard and want to use it.
Just because a Pokemon is NU, it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. Charizard is NU because of the x4 ST weakness, but it's pretty good otherwise.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 01, 2013, 09:48:24 PMChoice Scarf + Solar Power makes Charizard usable, although there are better options. People just like Charizard and want to use it.
Just because a Pokemon is NU, it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. Charizard is NU because of the x4 ST weakness, but it's pretty good otherwise.
Well, it would never be able to compete in OU or Ubers due to rain. Charizard looses what little niche it has when you put it into the upper metagames.
u serious bro
You seem to have forgotten about Drought. That's practically the only thing that makes Charizard pure awesomeness.
I used Charizard in my own OU Sun team about two months ago. "Little niche" my ass.
The thing why Charizard is NU, is because Drought isn't allowed until OU, and Charizard isn't that used in OU teams because of the SR(idk why I said ST before). Sunny Day teams are shit.
My main point: TIERS DON'T MEASURE HOW GOOD A POKEMON IS, JUST HOW USED IT IS
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 02, 2013, 04:44:10 AMThe thing why Charizard is NU, is because Drought isn't allowed until OU, and Charizard isn't that used in OU teams because of the SR(idk why I said ST before). Sunny Day teams are shit.
The problem is that drought isn't that good - rain is OP and popular as shit, so pokemon reliant on sunny whether aren't gonna fare well in OU.
Drought is really good, excuse you. Drizzle is more popular, but it doesn't mean that Drought would suck. >.>
Also rain isn't OP, it's just OP to those who don't know how to deal with it.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 02, 2013, 10:10:43 PMDrought is really good, excuse you. Drizzle is more popular, but it doesn't mean that Drought would suck. >.>
Also rain isn't OP, it's just OP to those who don't know how to deal with it.
Let me rephrase this: rain counters sun, rain is really popular. It's not important whether drought is good by itself or not, it simply isn't well equipped for the current metagame (not that's it's an unviable strategy.)
Actually, sun is a good counter against rain teams.
Anyways, I'm done arguing with someone who doesn't have three years of experience from competitive battling.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 02, 2013, 10:45:36 PMActually, sun is a good counter against rain teams.
Anyways, I'm done arguing with someone who doesn't have three years of experience from competitive battling.
And vice versa. Remember that rain teams have water-types to counter fire-types (I'm having another Captain Obvious moment O_o) and ice-types to counter grass-types and dragon-types (and these are just a few examples).
In terms of weather starters, I would say that Politoed is superior to Ninetales: although Ninetales can have Energy Ball or Solar Beam (Energy Ball is better in some cases, especially if Politoed switches in on the turn you select Solar Beam), it doesn't get STAB, and, if Politoed and Ninetales switch in on the same turn, Politoed will have the weather advantage.
It's not impossible to make a good sun team to counter rain, but, as FireArrow said, with the prominence and variety of rain teams in OU, it's quite difficult to.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 02, 2013, 10:45:36 PMActually, sun is a good counter against rain teams.
Anyways, I'm done arguing with someone who doesn't have three years of experience from competitive battling.
Experience =/= Skill/Knowledge
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 02, 2013, 10:45:36 PMActually, sun is a good counter against rain teams.
Anyways, I'm done arguing with someone who doesn't have three years of experience from competitive battling.
I've been at this for 3-4 years as well if you wanna pull the experience card. ._.
BDS is pretty accurate, so I'm not gonna bother saying anything more.
I think a more accurate way to say that would be time =/= skill. The question is whether or not you learn from your mistakes, which is how I like to interpret the word experience.
Lets-a-fucking-go.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 03, 2013, 12:04:15 AMAnd vice versa. Remember that rain teams have water-types to counter fire-types (I'm having another Captain Obvious moment O_o) and ice-types to counter grass-types and dragon-types (and these are just a few examples).
In terms of weather starters, I would say that Politoed is superior to Ninetales: although Ninetales can have Energy Ball or Solar Beam (Energy Ball is better in some cases, especially if Politoed switches in on the turn you select Solar Beam), it doesn't get STAB, and, if Politoed and Ninetales switch in on the same turn, Politoed will have the weather advantage.
That's why you preserve the Pokemon who have the weather effects, in order to beat the weather war. It'd be stupid to keep your weather Pokemon out on the field against the one who has the advantage: that's why you can't tell which weather Pokemon is the better one. Even though Rain has much more uses than Sun, Sun cripples rain teams. Because sun doesn't offer that much advantages, Sun teams are usually very flexible to build, since they only use sun to power up moves(/Chlorophyll) and to cripple rain teams. Rain teams use more of the advantages the rain offers, meaning they allow sun cripple you more than the other way around.
Experience -> Skill and Knowledge.
I play Pokemon daily, and I battle at least 5 times a week. And I disagree that Charizard isn't usable in OU/Ubers "because of the rain".
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 03, 2013, 07:29:40 AMThat's why you preserve the Pokemon who have the weather effects, in order to beat the weather war. It'd be stupid to keep your weather Pokemon out on the field against the one who has the advantage: that's why you can't tell which weather Pokemon is the better one.
And that's one advantage rain has... essentially, with rain's weather starter still alive, it usually becomes impractical to keep trying to get sun up, especially when Ninetales is at risk of taking Hydro Pumps/Surfs/etc.
QuoteEven though Rain has much more uses than Sun, Sun cripples rain teams. Because sun doesn't offer that much advantages, Sun teams are usually very flexible to build, since they only use sun to power up moves(/Chlorophyll) and to cripple rain teams. Rain teams use more of the advantages the rain offers, meaning they allow sun cripple you more than the other way around.
O_o
You're not providing facts to substantiate your argument. You say that Sun cripples rain teams, and yet rain teams also cripple sun teams very much (type advantages, Chlorophyll obviously not working in rain). The fact that rain teams can offer more advantages is what allows them to potentially cripple sun teams (especially if they have the weather advantage really close to the beginning of the battle), combined with, as I mentioned above, what they take away from sun when Rain is up (essentially, it would be impractical to send Fire-types out, and Chlorophyll sweepers don't get the speed boost they need; and, if you're using Cresselia, Moonlight doesn't heal as much).
If you're playing against somebody with a run-of-the-mill rain team, of course you're likely going to have an advantage over them... but that's not the point! :P
On a slightly different subject though, especially in Ubers, it's good to have a Pokémon on your sun team that can operate well in rain (like Thundurus, as an example).
LOL people saying that Rain > Sun. It's like saying that Rain > Sand, which is not exactly true. I've seen Sun teams destroy Rain teams before. Btw, Ninetales can take Hydro Pumps from Politoed in the Sun easy.
And wtf kind of argument is that? "Chlorophyll doesn't work in Rain obvs lol" Of course not, just like Swift Swim doesn't work in Sun, Sand Veil doesn't work in Rain/Sun, etc. Does that mean that, because you can't use your ability, your team sucks? Erm no. Sand teams still work without Sand Veil Garchomp. Rain teams can still own without using Swift Swimmers, etc. Saying that one team archetype is better than another one is dumb.
Seriously all I've been reading on this thread is bullshit.
Also no one uses Moonlight lol
^And that is why Roz has earned my respect as a fellow competitive player.
I was never saying sun was better. There is no legit method to prove that which weather is better, it's all up to the players. That's why arguing why "ermahgerd rain is better than anything else" is fucking stupid.
Quote from: Roz~ on September 03, 2013, 01:34:10 PMLOL people saying that Rain > Sun. It's like saying that Rain > Sand, which is not exactly true. I've seen Sun teams destroy Rain teams before. Btw, Ninetales can take Hydro Pumps from Politoed in the Sun easy.
LOL rain boosted Hydro Pumps. :P
I never recall saying that sun teams couldn't destroy rain teams: merely that Waddle was stating an unsupported argument that, in general, sun teams are superior (more accurately, stating that sun teams ARE a good counter for rain teams, while seemingly disregarding everything that makes rain teams desirable to use in the first place).
On the subject of Rain vs. Sand, I agree that Sand can often topple rain (sand is slightly different from sun, though, because of the Sp. Def boost provided to rock-types). In Ubers, I have been crushed by many sand teams (mainly because both the opponent had both Tyranitar and Hippowdon).
QuoteAnd wtf kind of argument is that? "Chlorophyll doesn't work in Rain obvs lol" Of course not, just like Swift Swim doesn't work in Sun, Sand Veil doesn't work in Rain/Sun, etc. Does that mean that, because you can't use your ability, your team sucks? Erm no.
I don't think you understood me. Chlorophyll is often the central ability for Grass-type sun sweepers: by comparison, Swift Swim and Drizzle are banned together in OU (and Sand Veil as well?); without it, many of them (especially Venusaur) can become easy prey, without the extra Speed and Growth boosts. My point was that it's often harder to keep sunny weather up than rainy weather, which is one factor working against sun teams.
QuoteAlso no one uses Moonlight lol
Moonlight on Cresselia is generally used in defensive sets, and yes, I've seen it on sun teams before.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 03, 2013, 02:19:27 PM^And that is why Roz has earned my respect as a fellow competitive player.
I was never saying sun was better. There is no legit method to prove that which weather is better, it's all up to the players. That's why arguing why "ermahgerd rain is better than anything else" is fucking stupid.
The reason why I jumped in in the first place was because you were saying that sun was "a good counter against rain teams" AND later, that "Sun cripples rain teams."
Sun does cripple Rain the same way Rain cripple Sun teams.
And you'd have to be a moron to fodder off your Ninetales to a Rain Boosted Hydro Pump. Jus' sayin'. And if EV'd right, Venusaur can take hits and can semi sweep in Rain, even without its speed boost/growth boosts. You don't necessarily need to rely on those to win.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 03, 2013, 02:27:59 PMLOL rain boosted Hydro Pumps. :P
what part of "in the sun" didnt you understand
There is no way to prove or support arguments that say a weather condition is better than the others, when it's always up to the players.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 03, 2013, 02:27:59 PMI don't think you understood me. Chlorophyll is often the central ability for Grass-type sun sweepers: by comparison, Swift Swim and Drizzle are banned together in OU (and Sand Veil as well?); without it, many of them (especially Venusaur) can become easy prey, without the extra Speed and Growth boosts. My point was that it's often harder to keep sunny weather up than rainy weather, which is one factor working against sun teams.
Moonlight on Cresselia is generally used in defensive sets, and yes, I've seen it on sun teams before.
Sun sweepers. Pfft. I use as my sun sweeper a Life Orb Raikou with T-Bolt, Weather Ball, HP Ice and Volt Switch. No one uses Grass-type su sweepers because they're so easy to counter. People use sun to counter rain and boost random Fire-type moves.
"Keeping sun up is harder than with rain" is no argument. You can't say that, because you haven't even seen what kind Pokemons are being used.
Also nobody uses Cresselia in OU. There are much better choices.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 03, 2013, 02:27:59 PMI never recall saying that sun teams couldn't destroy rain teams: merely that Waddle was stating an unsupported argument that, in general, sun teams are superior (more accurately, stating that sun teams ARE a good counter for rain teams, while seemingly disregarding everything that makes rain teams desirable to use in the first place).
The reason why I jumped in in the first place was because you were saying that sun was "a good counter against rain teams" AND later, that "Sun cripples rain teams."
Just because something is a good counter doesn't mean it's superior. Rain is a good counter to sun also, but I was making a point why people use sun in OU. And you didn't get it. There are so many rain teams running around that a little sun can fuck bitches over. Next time I hope you'll understand so you don't have to make me start a medication to lower my blood pressure with your bullshit.
ninja'd
BDS, there is a time to just walk away. I'd respect you if you could do so.
ಠ_ಠ
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 03, 2013, 03:05:25 PMwhat part of "in the sun" didnt you understand
The fact that you wouldn't be blasting multiple Hydro Pumps at Ninetales in the sun, especially if you knew it had Energy Ball/Solar Beam.
QuoteThere is no way to prove or support arguments that say a weather condition is better than the others, when it's always up to the players.
I don't see how you can come to the conclusion (rather, I don't see how you can state the implication) that I was the one who was trying to "support arguments that say a weather condition is better than the others," and yet, I clearly stated that: "It's not impossible to make a good sun team to counter rain."
QuoteNo one uses Grass-type su sweepers because they're so easy to counter. People use sun to counter rain and boost random Fire-type moves.
*sarcasm on*
Yes, (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/not-so-fun-under-the-sun.3487849/) nobody (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sun-dragons.3454288/) uses (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sunny-days.3454826/) Grass-type (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/suns-out-guns-out.3487410/) sweepers. (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sun-means-fun.104110/) Absolutely (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bw-ou-french-orgy-with-belzebuth-peaked-3.3455854/#post-3888463) nobody. (http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-bw-ou-sun-over-the-beach-successful-sun-team)
Quote"Keeping sun up is harder than with rain" is no argument. You can't say that, because you haven't even seen what kind Pokemons are being used.
Tell me more about how I haven't used rain and sun teams in Ubers, OU, CAP Malaconda Playtest, and Sunny Day teams in UU. Not to mention all the weather teams I haven't battled...
Please enlighten me with your fact-filled arguments.
*sarcasm off*
QuoteAlso nobody uses Cresselia in OU. There are much better choices.
While Cresselia is much better in UU, I agree, I must contest your statement that nobody uses Cresselia in OU. A simple search results in this, from Smogon's OU analysis of Cresselia:
Quote from: SmogonUnder the sunlight, Moonlight, an otherwise mediocre recovery move, restores Cresselia's health by a staggering 67%. This, along with her excellent ability, Levitate, allows Cresselia to wall some of the most powerful Pokemon in OU, such as Garchomp and Terrakion, both of which are troublesome Pokemon for sun teams.
Now, I'll admit that I myself haven't exactly used Cresselia in sun teams, but I will say that I have seen it in more than one (and more than two or three) team I've encountered before.
QuoteJust because something is a good counter doesn't mean it's superior. Rain is a good counter to sun also, but I was making a point why people use sun in OU. And you didn't get it. There are so many rain teams running around that a little sun can fuck bitches over.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 03, 2013, 01:10:45 PMIf you're playing against somebody with a run-of-the-mill rain team, of course you're likely going to have an advantage over them... but that's not the point! :P
QuoteBDS, there is a time to just walk away. I'd respect you if you could do so.
I find it interesting how you place the "blame" on me,
merely because I disagree with your opinions. At least I had the respect to not to state such a
frivolous and arrogant statement (I would use another word, but I detest its usage in such a context) as "there is a time to just walk away," giving the full-on implication that I am the one in the wrong. It's odd how you talk about respect when you seem to be determined to demean and slander me in such a way: you say that
I can just walk away, yet you yourself give no mention to how we can
both just walk away. We have officially turned a discussion about Charizard and weather into an argument about sun vs. rain, and now, into a mudslinging-fest.
I wonder if you are trying to anger me to the point where I just give up.
Now, if you'll excuse me, for once, I
will be the first to walk away (
but I'll be back after I find some sun vs. rain match replays).
Everyone needs to shut up or else. >:(
Wtf just happened? You guys are behaving more immature than those I-have-so-much-swag 13 year olds, just stop it. Anyways, I'm gonna be starting from here, because I don't feel like jumping into that flame war. Oh, and to clear things up Waddle while we are am saying Rainh as advantages over sun, we're not saying that sun always loses to rain nor that sun isn't a viable strategy in OU.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 03, 2013, 07:29:40 AMThat's why you preserve the Pokemon who have the weather effects, in order to beat the weather war. It'd be stupid to keep your weather Pokemon out on the field against the one who has the advantage: that's why you can't tell which weather Pokemon is the better one.
It's not a matter of which is better, it's a matter of type match ups. Politoad has much more switch in opportunities than Ninetails does in a Rain vs. Sun match-up.
QuoteEven though Rain has much more uses than Sun, Sun cripples rain teams. Because sun doesn't offer that much advantages, Sun teams are usually very flexible to build, since they only use sun to power up moves(/Chlorophyll) and to cripple rain teams. Rain teams use more of the advantages the rain offers, meaning they allow sun cripple you more than the other way around.
Remember, we're talking about sun teams WITH Charizard. Charizard compounds suns inherit weakness (SR, rain) leaving you in less of a flexible position. Additionally, only an idiot is going to load their team with rain reliant pokemon without taking other weather teams into consideration - you can't talk as if the sun player is skilled and the rain player isn't.
QuoteExperience -> Skill and Knowledge.
I play Pokemon daily, and I battle at least 5 times a week. And I disagree that Charizard isn't usable in OU/Ubers "because of the rain".
Just because you play pokemon a lot doesn't make you correct. If someone who's been playing competitively for 5 years shows up and disagrees with you, would you just go "I'm so sorry, I didn't realize more experienced players disagreed with my opinion!" I assure you, there's more experienced players on both side of this argument.
EDIT:
sry dude you ninja'd me
Doodle is mad
You can't say that Politoad has a lot more switch-in possibilities. What if the there's Stealth Rocks and three layers of Spikes and a double layer of Toxic Spikes? The point is that you can't tell beforehand which one could switch in the better for sure.
I was saying sun cripples rain more than rain does rain. I wasn't saying anything that rsun was better. It's the only logical solution that in a case when there are different amounts of something(weather-using abilities), and they're all reduced to zero, it's obvious that the amount that had the most, took the most damage(=crippling). Even though Charizard has weaknesses, so what? Everyone has. Sr are meant to spin away, or not. Rain is meant to get rid of, or not.
I use Charizard as a revenge killer, meaning the rocks won't necessarily cripple it. You seem to be saying that they would.
I'm still standing by my point that arguing that rain is better than sun is silly, because there are so many different situations in Pokemon.
Playing a lot of Pokemon won't make me correct, but it will give you an opportunity to think "this guy knows what he's doing, maybe he couldn't be wrong there".
also now you said you've been playing Pokemon for five years and in your previous post you said "3-4" ::)
Can Charizard be used in Ubers?
It can, but it's much, much better in OU. I recommend using a Scarf-Air Slash-Fire Blast-SolarBeam-Dragon Pulse set.
There are way better options than Charizard in Ubers, but it's usable.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 03, 2013, 10:10:10 PMYou can't say that Politoad has a lot more switch-in possibilities. What if the there's Stealth Rocks and three layers of Spikes and a double layer of Toxic Spikes? The point is that you can't tell beforehand which one could switch in the better for sure.
Well, for starters, ninetails is weak to stealth rock. Second, setting up all the entry hazards on a sun team with charizard is just unrealistic - you'd have to either have to use a Forretress set of rapid spin/spikes/toxic spikes/SR or greatly limit your open slots (both of which aren't a good idea.) Finally, Sun vs. Rain is just a bad type much up for ninetails, the opponent is gonna be firing off water attacks like crazy. Ninetails is just incapable of taking those hits while Politoad doesn't care if it switches into a fire blast. Actually, the biggest thing is that politoad can switch into ninetails (especially if it takes solar beam over energy ball.)
QuoteI was saying sun cripples rain more than rain does rain. I wasn't saying anything that rsun was better. It's the only logical solution that in a case when there are different amounts of something(weather-using abilities), and they're all reduced to zero, it's obvious that the amount that had the most, took the most damage(=crippling). Even though Charizard has weaknesses, so what? Everyone has. Sr are meant to spin away, or not. Rain is meant to get rid of, or not.
I use Charizard as a revenge killer, meaning the rocks won't necessarily cripple it. You seem to be saying that they would.
I'm still standing by my point that arguing that rain is better than sun is silly, because there are so many different situations in Pokemon.
Rain vs. Rain is a mirror match, take that how you will. Sun vs. Rain is in rains favor
unless you build you sun team to counter rain.
However, Charizard does the exact opposite of this, as I said before, it compounds suns weaknesses, so you have one less slot to use against rain and a lot more ground to cover up.
Yes, everything has a weakness, Charizard just has a lot more than most OU pokemon. If stealth rocks is up, he can literally only switch in ONCE (even if you set up your evs right, solar power is gonna be hammering away at your HP.) He has no synergy with ninetails either, leaving no room for another fire type sweeper.
QuotePlaying a lot of Pokemon won't make me correct, but it will give you an opportunity to think "this guy knows what he's doing, maybe he couldn't be wrong there".
also now you said you've been playing Pokemon for five years and in your previous post you said "3-4" ::)
I wasn't referring to myself, just kinda stating a "what if." TBH, while I have been doing competitive battling for awhile, I'm not nearly as serious of a player as you.
You'd be a fucking moron to switch Ninetails into an on-coming water attack in rain. That's why U-Turns and Volt Switches are crucial when trying to predict. Here's an example battle with a team I got around building yesterday, after I got inspiration from this argument (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oususpecttest-48851699). *thumbs up for the epic burn Rapid Spin kill* I don't usually do Showdown, except when trolling or team designing.
A Scarfed Charizard isn't on the wrong side of anything. It's a powerhouse already and if sun is up, it's even more. It's kind of like using a Volcarona, but not having to waste a turn to Quiver Dance and possibly be taken out by the opponent. The only cost is the Choice and Solar Power, but it's worth it. I consider sun teams that aren't designed to have options to counter other weathers plain stupid. Also the fact that you know the other person would really want to set up those SR agains my Charizard, gives me a good advantage(like seen in that test battle, my overprediction of keeping Ninetails in, and fire off a HP Ice against that Landorus-T).
Wow I can't believe how pissed people are getting over a video game. Seriously, grow up. If you really need to prove each other wrong that badly then just take those teams you're so fond of and battle. Do a rain v. sun team. Idk. Just stop the whining.
guys i mean it. >:( >:(
I think it's more of a "if I shut up, the other person thinks he won the argument war so i can't allow that.", instead of getting pissed.
Although I do have to say that much that Charizard is definitely usable in OU.
also doodle you seem angry give me a hug
Quote from: spitllama on September 04, 2013, 09:22:16 AMWow I can't believe how pissed people are getting over a video game. Seriously, grow up. If you really need to prove each other wrong that badly then just take those teams you're so fond of and battle. Do a rain v. sun team. Idk. Just stop the whining.
It's competitive Pokemon; it seems that all social norms are forgotten
Quote from: spitllama on September 04, 2013, 09:22:16 AMWow I can't believe how pissed people are getting over a video game. Seriously, grow up. If you really need to prove each other wrong that badly then just take those teams you're so fond of and battle. Do a rain v. sun team. Idk. Just stop the whining.
Welcome to Smogon
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 04, 2013, 06:42:09 AMYou'd be a fucking moron
That's my line. I haz copyright D:
And I guess the whole point here is that
why would you make a sun team that automatically loses to rain? Rain is so prevalent in the metagame, you have to build your sun team to make sure you can counter big threats like rain teams, sand teams, etc.
I still believe that saying rain has an advantage over sun is dumb, because if a sun team is built well enough it can counter rain/sand/goodstuff/etc teams. You can't say for sure that one team has an advantage against another one, unless you know all of the spreads/movesets of your opponent's team and you build yours to specifically counter it. A lot of things have to be taken into consideration to determine if the team matchup's good or not, and the type of team you're running is but one of those things. Experience, niche Pokémon/movesets and a plethora of factors need to be taken into consideration too.
Why are people still arguing about this haha
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on September 04, 2013, 09:36:18 AMalso doodle you seem angry give me a hug
because this stupid argument is super frivolous
because i don't really get itand ok *hugs*
Quote from: spitllama on September 04, 2013, 09:22:16 AMWow I can't believe how pissed people are getting over a video game. Seriously, grow up. If you really need to prove each other wrong that badly then just take those teams you're so fond of and battle. Do a rain v. sun team. Idk. Just stop the whining.
The world would be much better place if all the arguments were solved with Pokemon battles.
Listen to Roz, Roz is cool.
Quote from: Roz~ on September 04, 2013, 10:27:29 AMThat's my line. I haz copyright D:
it was so catchy srry
:c
Quote from: GaryOak on September 04, 2013, 11:11:27 AMThe world would be much better place if all the arguments were solved with Pokemon battles.
We should make this a thing.
"OBJECTION! I challenge you to a Pokemon battle!"
That sounds like an Ace Attorney / Pokemon crossover.
...
OMGGGG
Your challenge is to make a crossover between Pokemon and Ace Attorney, you should use a plot to resurrect Hitler as a plot device.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-49006574
Testing out a new team.
charizard sux
charmander da best
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-49013859
Yugi, only one layer of Stealth Rocks can be had. They don't work like Spikes, which you can lay multiple layers.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 04, 2013, 11:33:32 AMThat sounds like an Ace Attorney / Pokemon crossover.
...
OMGGGG
OMG I WANT
Quote from: Waddle Bro on September 04, 2013, 11:26:18 AMListen to Roz, Roz is cool.
it was so catchy srry
:c
We should make this a thing.
"OBJECTION! I challenge you to a Pokemon battle!"
It's k you can use it I don't mind ;D
and you're cool too :3
Quote from: Echo on September 05, 2013, 02:30:22 AMcharizard sux
charmander da best
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-49013859
XD Perfect.
Sorry, I haven't been able to reply, I've been pretty busy lately. Anyways, I'm getting the vibe that you aren't interested in continuing this, so agree to disagree (btw I'd like to go against your sun team with a rain team for shits and giggles some time.)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-49187240
Hence why Aggron is useful.
Aggron is always useful as long as you're not against a Fighting or Ground type.
I'm reminded of that big picture about Aggron
Adjusted some of my sun team EVs properly, thought you might want to see. Not the best opponent, but he seemed cool.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-49684912
I'm planning on replacing Landorus-T with Lucario. But on the other hand, I'd like to keep momentum with Landorus-T's U-Turn and Rocks.
Mad props for having Raikou on your team <333
I prefer Raikou over Jolteon because of the more various movepool and that it's not that fragile. Also most people can't expect for the Weather Ball.
Edit:
Here's some Raikou action, because the last replay didn't have any.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-50506962
The last Sub was a misclick and in the beginning I was hoping to predict a switch to something else, because it's very common to have HP Ice on a Raikou and if the opponent knew I was going to outspeed, it would have been his best interest to switch.
Edit2:
Here's another battle, but against a rain team this time. I had a lot of fun in this one.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-50512224
Raikou sweep
This battle is Roz approved
Changed my Charizard.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-50711052
Solar Scarf set ain't got nothin' on SD Flame Charge/FG Acrobatics set
edit
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-50717552
Replaced Sludge Wave(Bombs 2 mainstream) on my Tentacruel with HP Fire and Gengar with Alakazam
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-50974349
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-51798137 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-51798137)
This was a fun Random Battle... :3
Stop overusing the :3 smiley. Makes you look like a douche.
Here's a more competitive edition of my sun team I've been working on for those who don't know how to deal with Rocks
Spoiler
I'm Social (Ninetales) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drought
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature
- SolarBeam
- Fire Blast
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hidden Power [Ice]
POW (Landorus-Therian) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Def / 156 SAtk
Lax Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-turn
R-Ape (Infernape) @ Fighting Gem
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 92 Spd / 84 HP / 80 SDef / 252 Atk
Jolly Nature
IVs: 30 SAtk / 30 SDef
- Flame Charge
- Close Combat
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
Dinner (Tentacruel) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 240 SDef / 208 HP / 60 Def
Calm Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- Toxic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Rapid Spin
SamuraiPizzaCat (Raikou) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Def
Rash Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Weather Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Volt Switch
GimmeSoup (Alakazam) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Energy Ball
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fire]
I love how everyone names all their fox based pokemon after me.
Quote from: Yugi on September 21, 2013, 05:39:07 PMI love how everyone names all their fox based pokemon after me.
You just reminded me that I forgot to nickname my Ninetales in OU, No Stealth Rock. :)
Quote from: Yugi on September 21, 2013, 05:39:07 PMI love how everyone names all their fox based pokemon after me.
OHHH, now I get it. >_>
Yeah, my mind is a place you don't wanna be.
Quote from: FireArrow on September 21, 2013, 08:29:11 PMOHHH, now I get it. >_>
Yeah, my mind is a place you don't wanna be.
O_o
I'm trying to follow your train of thought, but I'm not entirely sure I want to...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on September 21, 2013, 10:36:40 PMO_o
I'm trying to follow your train of thought, but I'm not entirely sure I want to...
The things that go on in my head are so bizarre that sometimes I'm even disgusted with myself (imagine having "wtf brain" moments as like, your main way of thinking.)
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-54941235
Curbstomp battles are best battles.
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-55767486 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-55767486)
Yay for comeback.
Quote from: davy on October 10, 2013, 12:58:27 AMhttp://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-55767486 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/randombattle-55767486)
Yay for comeback.
Odd; Smogon is a blocked domain, but Pokemon Showdown isn't...
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru-56962174
. . . okay?
I made a fun 6th gen team on PO (using only new 'mons, no megas), so if anyone wanna battle, hit me up~
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankoubeta-59058111
Offensive Klefki is awesome (I'll post a better battle later).
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oubeta-59668093
um...ok
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/gen5randombattle-59733192
thats what he gets for calling me stupid
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/pokebankoubeta-59888986
i'm starting to like this team!
I'm making 6 different teams (one for each Generation), with Gen 6 OU (meaning mega evolutions are allowed), so if anyone wants to hit me with suggestions go ahead!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oubeta-61241157
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oubeta-61242526
JOHTO TEAM IS GO
I am currently number 20 on the Ubers Beta ladder (non-Pokebank) with a score of 2002. And to believe I used to like Pokebank Ubers better; ha. :P Non-Pokebank Ubers is actually quite fun when it doesn't take 10+ minutes to find a battle.
Next stop: Top of the ladder (eventually)!
Ubers Beta isn't a good of a accomplishment, not to rain on your parade(even though I'm doing that!). It's just three more Pokémon compared to OU Beta, making the gameplay having less variety.
I just feel it's a waste of time considering Pokebank will be out next month!!!
Quote from: Waddle Bro on November 14, 2013, 04:36:49 AMUbers Beta isn't a good of a accomplishment, not to rain on your parade(even though I'm doing that!). It's just three more Pokémon compared to OU Beta, making the gameplay having less variety.
The only thing that can be said to make Ubers Beta have less variety (compared to OU Beta) is Xerneas, and I've even seen some people who
don't use it (and don't completely fail :P); nonetheless, you're implying that Ubers Beta requires less strategy (arguably, the presence of Xerneas/Yveltal/Mewtwo actually makes Pokemon selection and strategy more important when figuring out how to deal with them).
...I mean, it's not like Gen 1 Ubers. :P
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 14, 2013, 01:24:49 PMnonetheless, you're implying that Ubers Beta requires less strategy (arguably, the presence of Xerneas/Yveltal/Mewtwo actually makes Pokemon selection and strategy more important when figuring out how to deal with them).
Actually, it requires more strategy because there are more threats!
Built a temp. team to test out Draco Meteor spam
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-72314248
kekeke
Nothing like facing a Perish Trap team when you're using a VoltTurn one. :P
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2014beta-72485775
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pokebankoubeta-72507771
This was such a fun game, filled with predictions and overpredictions.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-72723034
Quote from: Waddle Bro on December 27, 2013, 03:46:03 AMhttp://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-72723034
That first Snatch was cool. Cringed when I saw them fall for the second one though...
Snatch Rotom is such a fun Poke.
Eff you Calm Mind.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-73520453
lolol snatch
Waddle I love your team <3
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-73655931
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2014-73731674
I think i'm going to like this one...maybe.
Quote from: Roz~ on December 30, 2013, 05:32:46 PMWaddle I love your team <3
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-73655931
One of my alt's ranking with that team is over 2700 :]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
Edit: Switched the Spooky Plate to Weakness Policy.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-73785544
this is why moody is banned in smogon tiers.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2014-73918588
get it together vgc
Nothing is banned in VGC since you can handle pretty much everything because you have 2 'mons on the field.
Random Battle (http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5randombattle-73974422)
I didn't realize who I was fighting until after the battle (I don't know why I keep coming back to Random Battles because I can't stand them, but they're oddly addicting). In this battle, I got a fairly good team, and I had a decent amount of good luck. Lopunny (with the elemental punches and Return) is very versatile in Random Battles- if the one I got had had a Life Orb, though, it would've been a lot better (so I wouldn't have had to keep switching).
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2014-73998219
wow so team
such stronk
many close call
EDIT: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2014-73999651
at least i don't get completely destroyed D:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-74015063
Dat comeback >:3
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2014-74411264
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
^Going for Iron Tail on a water type was a pretty huge missplay. You should've gone for rock slide again. Also double targeting the Amoonguss was also a missplay just because you were getting at least a free ko on either amoonguss (if he didn't protect) or Chomp. Even if he switched out, you could've gotten some damage off on the Blastoise and it would've help you out.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-74677146
Seriously, FEAR is just too good - There are just so many people who have no means to counter it...
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogondoubles-76466705
i'm liking doubles a lot! :D i actually broke 1500 on the ladder today, which was my personal goal.
Quote from: Jompa on January 03, 2014, 02:48:10 PMhttp://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-74677146
Seriously, FEAR is just too good - There are just so many people who have no means to counter it...
No. There are also so many people who use a Ghost-type and boom.
Jompa plz don't say FEAR is good. Use a Poke that helps your team synergy.
^this
Ghost is no trouble at all because Kangaskhan has Scrappy.
But priority and predictions are. It's too obvious.
As I said; most people can't counter it. And kangadkhan has sucker punch.
The only problems are leftovers(because I need sabdstorm ti FEAR it) (but almost no one used that anymore), and moves that strikes multiple times in a turn (but that's rare too, and I have other pokemon to deal with those).
Actually, I'd say most people can counter it rather than not.
It's a rule of the thumb not to rely on probability on moves/sets in competitive Pokemon battling, if there's a better option. (That's why no one uses Thunder on a non-rain team f.e.) Basically, if your set fails, you're in a massive disadvantage.
Trust me, most people can't counter it.
I win more ran I loose
That's because you're battling noobs.
Well yeah.
I should've said that the rest of my team is specialized for countering counters
FEAR is a gimmicky tactic used solely to ladder climb. No one who takes themselves seriously would ever use it. End of story.
Amen brother
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-127869788
Rage quit. ^-^
Also, new OU team. I should probably replace Noivern and Meloetta, but they're both awesome to use (especially Meloetta).
i made an ou team its so gr8
let me c mashi
my username is mashiii
mashi y u do dis wen im offline ;-;
will you be free this evening
at like 10PM EDT???
?????????
also i swear my team isnt all magikarps this time its an ou team for real
ill try
Mega Banette is pretty interesting to use in UU; it has a solid attack stat, can use priority Destiny Bond (but you have to Mega Evolve it first), and can even survive a Shadow Ball from an Alakazam (or at least with the EV spread I use; it can't survive a Dark Pulse from Mega Blastoise, though)! :3 Otherwise, though, not being able to take advantage of Prankster the first turn really hurts its capabilities.
EDIT: Also Meloetta power! (http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-133880437)
EDIT: Breaking somebody's Baton Pass chain and completely crushing their spirit. Thanks Crobat! (http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-134637311)
EDIT: Avalugg Power. (http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/1v1-137800885)
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-154064724
Grumpig vs Kyruem THE ULTIMATE BATTLE
WHO DA CHAMP
<<<<<DIS GUY
no its
JOOOOHN CENAAAAAAAAAAA
Anyone wanna play? I'll be in the lobby. Username shall be "Pianist D.S." or some variation thereof
watch out- he's THE abuser of OP junk
I think you're just butthurt. Anyone can counter anything if they play right.
nah our game was fairly close
like I mentioned I made some loose plays
What I mean is half his team has leftovers, and he uses talonflame. The only way it could be worse is if he used poison heal guys
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 27, 2015, 03:12:49 PMWhat I mean is half his team has leftovers
noct do you even knock off
Quoteand he uses talonflame. The only way it could be worse is if he used poison heal guys
Stealth Rock + Taunt to block Defog
Or use something bulky enough to tank Flare Blitz and/or Brave Bird.
Sometimes something running Destiny Bond is fun for the trolling.
That's actually the only time I used talonflame. It was an old team and I had a scolipede on there that baton passed speed and attack, so I had to get rid of it (stupid BP clause) and decided to play around with talonflame.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 27, 2015, 03:42:34 PMSometimes something running Destiny Bond is fun for the trolling.
Mega Banette is really fun for that purpose (though not OU).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 27, 2015, 03:37:30 PMnoct do you even knock off
Stealth Rock + Taunt to block Defog
Or use something bulky enough to tank Flare Blitz and/or Brave Bird.
last I checked knock off was unplayable, had something like 20 base power
my marowak actually 1hko his talonflame, but that's not important.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 27, 2015, 04:16:55 PMlast I checked knock off was unplayable, had something like 20 base power
I think it's time for you to check again, I'm afraid! (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Knock_Off_(move)#Generation_VI) :P
Quotemy marowak actually 1hko his talonflame, but that's not important.
QuoteMarowak
Well, there's the problem... If you're playing OU, you might want to change out a few of your Pokemon (not sure what team you're using exactly, though).
I used Raikou, Gyarados, Blastoise, Marowak, Umbreon, and Scizor
Do you have specific details of the sets you use? It should be pretty easy to get from the teambuilder.
Raikou @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 192 SpA / 64 SpD / 252 Spe
Rash Nature
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Aura Sphere
- Thunder Wave
Gyarados @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Aqua Tail
Blastoise @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 136 HP / 252 Def / 120 SpD
Calm Nature
- Rest
- Waterfall
- Toxic
- Avalanche
Marowak @ Thick Club
Ability: Rock Head
- Earthquake
- Fire Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Stone Edge
Umbreon @ Lum Berry
Ability: Synchronize
- Curse
- Payback
- Toxic
- Baton Pass
Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Pursuit
.
Waaddle we should battle
Sure hop on but I should warn you :] i'm in the ou lobby
also the previous team was ass lol gets 6-0d by tornadus-t
edit
tfw pds ties with you
I've started playing in Anything Goes because I've been avoiding it for so long, and... it's actually pretty surprising how, when starting with Mega-Rayquaza vs. Klefki, most people go for Swagger first, which, considering I have a Lum Berry on my Rayquaza (helps against Darkrai and generally increases sweeping potential), is a very, very bad idea. :P
Quote from: Waddle Bro on March 26, 2016, 12:26:40 PMedit
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-350245823
tfw pds ties with you
that maatch thoooo
and that horrible team thooooo
Is it bad that I sometimes use teams in higher tiers than they're designed for just to see what I can do? Because my UU team containing RU and PU Pokémon can do decently in OU and Ubers if I'm careful.
I sometimes use lower tiered pokemon. Probably just cause my teams suck, but hey.
I'm currently doing an Ubers battle with this team:
Spoiler
Delcatty @ Leftovers
Ability: Wonder Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Toxic
- Wish
- Sucker Punch
- Cosmic Power
Arcanine @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sunny Day
- Flamethrower
- Morning Sun
- Solar Beam
Empoleon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flash Cannon
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Signal Beam
Meowstic @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Heal Bell
- Psyshock
Snorlax @ Choice Band
Ability: Immunity
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Body Slam
- Brick Break
- Thunder Punch
- Crunch
Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Defog
EDIT: ...And managed to win one! (http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-350967968)
Well, I've never heard of this site, but I did manage to beat my friend's Lv. 100 Sceptile with my Lv. 1 Archen! And I have it saved as a battle video!
Latest game. Been into random battles lately!
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-351166987
GOD this was close. So many stupid plays. Oh well~
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-351169546
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-352216113
Just... this.
...is...
Did you just 4-0 with Regigigas and then win by forfeit?
The forfeit's the weirdest part to me. The rest of your team could have been crap.
the choice band trick gallade was the best part
such a great set amirite
bruh substitute gyrados ftw amirite
substitute is good on a lead sweeper though cause it dodges t wave and swagger and crap like that and allows you to set up
choice band with trick however is pretty bad when you're against a regigigas
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on March 30, 2016, 05:28:54 PMchoice band with trick however is pretty bad when you're against a regigigas
especially after you just used intimidate on it twice
Choice specs Zebstrika 2 strong plz nerf
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-359696388
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/balancedhackmons-359742929
BH is fun.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogontriples-366608697
A great recovery.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogontriples-366610387
"sorry in advance" ??? What, for the godawful gimmick?
he actually meant sorry for winning but then he realised he couldn't win so he forfeited yay
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on May 13, 2016, 09:52:46 AMhe actually meant sorry for winning but then he realised he couldn't win so he forfeited yay
you missed the joke though
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-372278278
Yay! Legendaries in VGC!
I want to make a team based on video game consoles (I like making unusual teams), but I'm not really sure what to put in it, besides Musharna<sp?> for Dreamcast.
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on May 14, 2016, 01:03:27 PMI want to make a team based on video game consoles (I like making unusual teams), but I'm not really sure what to put in it, besides Musharna<sp?> for Dreamcast.
Go Porygon for GameCube.
Because Porygon looks like GameCube graphics? Makes sense.
Well, I was going for GameCube, and the blocky form of Porygon. But that works too!
I ended up using Porygon2 for GameCube, because I misread it. Porygon1 is more N64 graphics.
Zygarde for original XBox, maybe? It's black and green.
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on May 15, 2016, 10:55:43 AMI ended up using Porygon2 for GameCube, because I misread it.
Porygon2 isn't a bad choice; in fact, it's great for driving your opponents mad because all their Pokemon with Knock Off were KO'd and they can't 2HKO it and thus avoid Recover/Toxic stall (no, no, I'm not mad). :P
...Is there some kind of in-joke in your post? =/
No, just the fact that Porygon2 with Eviolite can be annoying to deal with... which could technically be considered an in-joke, but not one I've seen widely circulated, since it doesn't really come up too often (and likely not in that particular phrasing).
The part about Knock Off and 2HKOs was a bit oddly-worded.
Any other ideas?
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on May 16, 2016, 07:45:42 AMThe part about Knock Off and 2HKOs was a bit oddly-worded.
Not... really?
QuoteAny other ideas?
Genesect for the Genesis. It'd be perfect.
It's called Mega Drive where I'm from, though, but I suppose Genesect has drives...
(Also, I don't want to make an Ubers team.)
Umm... Luxray for Atari Lynx?
I don't think Genesect is uber
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on May 16, 2016, 08:39:39 AMI suppose Genesect has drives...
WOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAH IT WORKS BOTH WAYS
Actually, Genesect is in Ubers. (http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/genesect/)
Would Haxorus be good for Xbox? It's black, green (though less green than Fraxure), and learns X-Scissor.
You know, you could possibly do Sharpedo (maybe Mega as well) for Genesis... because it's blue, spiky, and has Speed Boost (GOTTA GO FAST).
BLAST PROCESSING!
I almost completely swept with Omastar.
PRAISE LORD HELIX!!!
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-400359090
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-401964898
I really thought I was going to lose this one: my computer was lagging and for some reason wouldn't progress the battle unless I kept switching between the battle and the home tabs, I got Sunflora (which is useless in Random Battles a lot of the time, but at least ended up giving Torterra some sun support against Scald... lol), and got a Zangoose without Quick Attack, but Victreebel ended up being my last resort champ.
Dude nice
So double post bc I don't actually leave until Sunday, as the security gig ended up being a no go
Here's an awesomely tough Showdown match that ended up being a draw bc I didn't use a weaker move and killed myself w/ recoil.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/unratedrandombattle-402989097
Damn if this wasn't one of the best games I've played.
Double post bc Diggersby though:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/unratedrandombattle-408135259
tfw they didn't switch to darmanitan which would have outsped and probably ko'd with superpower or flare blitz
:|
Seriously though like wtf bruh
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/unratedrandombattle-465901322
Zebstrika 2 op plz nerf
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-470848114
hehehe
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebanklc-483546328
Just watch it.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7balancedhackmons-497638716
The gimmicks. They hurt.
Now that's a gimmick.
Ok I don't understand how any of that was happening
In that specific situation: Imposter doesn't copy hit point or change what stage evolution you are, so when you give it to chansey you copy their stats and stat changes but keep chansey's absurd HP as well as the eviolite boosts.
The big picture: Set up sweepers are used to, you know, sweep. If you try to do that early on in the game, you're going to lose against anyone that knows what they're doing.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7challengecup1v1-499509500
challenge cup 1v1 is great
Choice Band Yveltal is NUTS with Scolipede as a teammate. Pass it a Swords Dance boost, spam Knock Off and EVERYTHING DIES.
Vs. Full-health Lunala (maximum defensive spread because reasons):
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Hoopa: 726-854 (151.8 - 178.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Vs. Toxapex (again, maximum defensive spread):
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Qwilfish: 375-442 (123.3 - 145.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Vs. ExtremeKiller Arceus:
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 603-709 (157.8 - 185.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Vs. Geomancy Xerneas:
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 184 HP / 28 Def Xerneas: 357-420 (81.3 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Vs. Defensive Primal Groudon:
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Knock Off vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Groudon: 346-408 (85.8 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
It gets a guaranteed OHKO on any Primal Groudon without HP and/or Defense investment.
Vs. Mega Salamence:
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Knock Off vs. 80 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 420-495 (119.6 - 141%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Vs. Another Choice Band Yveltal!:
+2 252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Yveltal Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 32 Def Dark Aura Yveltal: 354-417 (90 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
The list goes on. Even if you don't kill anything (i.e. you get Burned or your opponent loves slapping Focus Sashes on everything), you're still be eating away at pretty much your opponent's entire team, leaving them super vulnerable to anything that's faster than them (currently using Arceus and Choice Scarf Xerneas for that purpose; and then, if Scolipede is still available, I repeat the process with Primal Groudon :3 :3 :3). Yikes.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankubers-503617520
Choice Band Yveltal's motto is: if you run into something that walls you, just break it down.
Don't use that stategy turn one. You're sacking 2 pokemon to do that so if you play against a team with a counter (and unlike in your replay, they don't sacrifice half their team before sending it out), most of the time you'll be doing a 2 for 1 trade not in your favor. Build the rest of your team around weakening yveltals counters then use him as a win con.
tl;dr it's not optimal to use setup sweepers as wall breakers
Quote from: FireArrow on December 22, 2016, 10:35:01 PMDon't use that stategy turn one. You're sacking 2 pokemon to do that so if you play against a team with a counter (and unlike in your replay, they don't sacrifice half their team before sending it out), most of the time you'll be doing a 2 for 1 trade not in your favor. Build the rest of your team around weakening yveltals counters then use him as a win con.
tl;dr it's not optimal to use setup sweepers as wall breakers
how much competitive battling have you done
I did a lot gen 4-5 now I just kinda do random battles when I'm bored. If that was just a sarcastic question to express disagreement then idk what to say; my advice is pretty basic stuff.
you're using meta-sounding terms is all
I lurk too much on smogn
Quote from: FireArrow on December 22, 2016, 10:35:01 PMDon't use that stategy turn one. You're sacking 2 pokemon to do that so if you play against a team with a counter (and unlike in your replay, they don't sacrifice half their team before sending it out), most of the time you'll be doing a 2 for 1 trade not in your favor. Build the rest of your team around weakening yveltals counters then use him as a win con.
tl;dr it's not optimal to use setup sweepers as wall breakers
It really depends on the team your playing against; with most teams, it's pretty easy to set up with Scolipede right off the bat, especially since most times you won't even get a good chance to do it anytime later (with a few exceptions, though not enough to where you should rely on it). Of course, you kind of have to use your own judgement for that, though there are still times I haven't used it as my turn 1 strategy.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-505047405
MY FINEST MOMENT.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankanythinggoes-508839141
mmmmmm
When I saw Crabominable's stats I knew it'd be considered horrible, thus I started on a gimmick for it.
I'll still have to work out a few kinks and change the teammates up a bit, but otherwise I think it actually turned out pretty well!
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7battlespotdoubles-509151226
It's an interesting idea but crabominable is way too slow to sweep anything (even with choice scarf.) You'd probably have more luck with tauros or choice scarf krookodile.
I think Crabominable works out in particular because it doesn't take much damage from Frost Breath (unlike Krookodile), and because its higher Attack stat, but yeah, it definitely needs either Tailwind or Follow Me to support it.
Its base speed is like 45 follow me is pretty much the only option. Unfortunately Mr. Mime is the only pokemon with both frost breat and follow me. I guess you could use alolan ninetails with aura veil as your frost breather and have a back up party full of follow me mons and just hope they focus ninetails instead of crabby.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 11:49:07 AMIts base speed is like 45 follow me is pretty much the only option. Unfortunately Mr. Mime is the only pokemon with both frost breat and follow me. I guess you could use alolan ninetails with aura veil as your frost breather and have a back up party full of follow me mons and just hope they focus ninetails instead of crabby.
Eh; with Tailwind and max speed investment it can at least outspeed Pokemon with base 130 speed. And Froslass is frail enough to have the potential to not survive past the first turn or two. It would probably be easier to pull off in regular 6-on-6 doubles though, so you don't lean the full weight of your strategy on the gimmick.
I don't think anything learns both tailwind and frost breath anyways
Articuno at least
Suicune can learn tailwind and it's a water type so it might be able to learn frost breath
forget anger point and just use it in trick room
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 01, 2017, 11:04:48 PMArticuno at least
Suicune can learn tailwind and it's a water type so it might be able to learn frost breath
Unfortunately, Suicune can't learn Frost Breath, so you'd have to use crappy ice bird over there.
(I love Articuno I really do but it just has too many weaknesses)
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 02, 2017, 06:46:00 AMforget anger point and just use it in trick room
Jynx learns trick room and frost breath
also smeargle could be interesting
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-511453189
Also titled: How to beat a Charizard that won't Mega Evolve with Superpower
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-512069513
Dear diary: Today, I'm very unlucky.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankanythinggoes-512069714
Sometimes, you encounter some kind folk on Showdown.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-522891049
can I get a Kappa
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.bulbagarden.net%2Fupload%2Fthumb%2F8%2F8b%2F271Lombre.png%2F250px-271Lombre.png&hash=f5f27eb9699c753d6e30d2f8203ce194595c243d)
That hurt to watch.
it hurt to play
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Technically Golduck is based on a kappa, so you could have done better
6/10 for effort
Since when is Lombre not a Kappa?
um, should i have switched out slurpuff or anything? I kid you not, it was a mixed 4 attacks and had surf
Quote from: Dudeman on January 24, 2017, 08:28:55 PMSince when is Lombre not a Kappa?
but it wasn't the ORIGINAL KAPPA
i asked for any old Kappa
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-532636652
A truly inspirational comeback story.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randomdoublesbattle-559141500
Not sure what's funnier: The fact that my opponent fell for Lightning Rod Seaking, or the fact that they thought +2 Seaking was enough of a threat to forfeit after the first turn.
How long has speaking had lightning rod?
Ever since Hidden Abilities were released, it seems.
TIL
How to get swept by a Quiver Dance Masquerain 101. (http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7mixandmegasuspecttest-562260151)
It's a Stick Web-er, gorramit! It's not meant to sweep! How do you even let it boost that much and still feel dignity!?!?
Also that 3 protects in a row bullshit at the end
Is quiver dance there to threaten spinners/foggers?
It's probably the best thing I can put on it, because in a metagame like Mix and Mega, anything else would be pretty useless and super exploitable.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7mixandmegasuspecttest-566153930
Mewtwonite X Kartana is now officially a crime against humanity.
I find it rather humorous how pretty much everything on my team, under the right conditions, can completely and utterly obliterate an opposing team, with the sole exception of Tapu Koko (Seriously needs some better setup moves; doesn't even get Swords Dance!).
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ubers-611592195
Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.kym-cdn.com%2Fphotos%2Fimages%2Fnewsfeed%2F001%2F070%2F061%2Fd96.jpg&hash=165366309faa5466a1782136eea47a8b024f8a9b)
After I said "gg," they said "no." That made me so happy. They deserve that for using a stall-ish team. The day stall gets a hard nerf is the day I can truly begin to enjoy battling again. I'll extend that sentiment by saying that anybody who uses a stall team, in my mind, can take their own Ferrothorn, and [REDACTED]
Good grief, I had no idea Gothitelle was such a threat. kek
Gothitelle is only a threat to Pokemon that can't exploit its lack of bulk (especially Physical) before boosting, i.e. the majority of Pokemon that probably shouldn't be in Ubers anyway. Gets completely walled by Dark types.
Smogon tiers are a joke
And so is their simulator, doesn't even have a timer
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 01, 2017, 01:11:14 PMAnd so is their simulator, doesn't even have a timer
but it does
Quote from: FireArrow on August 01, 2017, 05:38:32 PMbut it does
You're forced to trigger it every time you play a game there. It doesn't trigger by default.
I mean a match timer
that one is pathetic
I've always enjoyed playing Smogon... except when I'm playing in OU, that is.
I can't remember the last time I saw a purely defensive Pokemon get banned from OU (Aegislash doesn't count, nor does Deoxys-D). They* have a stall fetish or something.
*(obviously not everyone on the website, but "them" in general, as a whole)
On a similar note, I'd love to see what would happen if we could use five moves instead of four. I would definitely like to see how that affects the metagame, as there are a ton of good offensive Pokemon brought down by "four moveslot symdrome," and since good coverage is one of the banes of stall (can't switch into something if you're just going to take massive damage from it anyway next turn).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2017, 07:04:31 PMOn a similar note, I'd love to see what would happen if we could use five moves instead of four. I would definitely like to see how that affects the metagame, as there are a ton of good offensive Pokemon brought down by "four moveslot symdrome," and since good coverage is one of the banes of stall (can't switch into something if you're just going to take massive damage from it anyway next turn).
(I've been checking out Smogon's Other Metagames lately.)
Try Ultimate Z (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ultimate-z.3609393/) in Smogon's Other Metagames. One of the best features I've found in it is how Pokemon suddenly get terrible cases of
five-moveslot syndrome there. It's got other features such as Z-Haze and Z-Psych Up suddenly being terrifying full heals for stall and just plain defensive mons alike, and utter freaking nukes for STAB or coverage-that-used-to-be-Hidden Power.
You can play it in Dragon Heaven (http://dragonheaven.psim.us/) (although you will have to hit up chat for anyone else who's available to play it, and the bot, BatterBotto, has a terrible Ultimate Z team, plays with it horribly, and isn't online all the time).
The sample sets in the Ultimate Z OP are barely scratching the surface--here are some sets I've seen on replays that work along with some sets I've made up that I like:
Jirachi @ Groundium Z
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Refresh
- Celebrate
Dear lord, the role compression you can get in this metagame. Stealth Rock setting, stat boosting, full healing, self-cleric, and sweeping all at once! And that flinch hax...
Manaphy @ Waterium Z
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tail Glow
- Rain Dance
- Heal Bell
- Psychic / Energy Ball
Manaphy still wishes it had Ice Beam back--that's what I mean by five-moveslot syndrome. Nevertheless, being able to full heal without Rest makes this guy able to set up on a lot more. Psychic appears to be the two-move old standby, but Energy Ball hits most of the Water Absorb guys super-effectively and still hits Volcanion for neutral.
Clefable @ Groundium Z
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psych Up
- Moonblast
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic
Don't let this defensive rock-setting Clefable copy your boosts.
Greninja @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Spikes
- Spite
- Low Kick
- U-turn
...Don't ask how Greninja can set up Spikes against strong neutral physical attacks, but now it can, then run the heck out. If you direly need priority in this slot, you can use Fightinium Z for the item and Shadow Sneak instead of Low Kick.
Swampert @ Waterium Z
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Refresh
- Stealth Rock
- Roar
- Earthquake
I predict pseudo-hazing will be big in this meta. And Swampert finally gets a full heal! Shame I don't have much time to play against anyone else...
...Oh, and this Swampert wishes it got Scald back. Shame Scald hits like a pansy...
Raichu-Alola @ Aloraichium Z
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Surf
- Volt Switch
Signature Z-Crystals can't be applied to anything other than signature moves in this meta, but Stoked Sparksurfer spam lets this guy hax through opponents it honestly should not beat. Surf compresses Focus Blast and Grass Knot's roles admirably.
Klefki @ Fairium Z
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Psych Up
- Swagger
- Thunder Wave
- Foul Play
I've been getting good results with SwagPlay in this meta. Prankster SwagPlay's biggest problems in OU are Dark-types (not such a big problem after this Klefki presses Twinkle Tackle), Psychic Terrain from Tapu Lele (OK, this will need team support, as this Klefki cannot OHKO it/her and Lele can OHKO), and Magic Bounce (Mega Sableye will not like repeated Twinkle Tackles, though, Psych Up's full heal still works, and if Klefki can end up Swaggering itself without hitting itself in confusion...). Its second biggest problems are hax (it happens), the risk of getting KO'd once hax happens (lessened, thanks to Klefki's full heal), and people switching around (I'm supporting this guy with Spikes-stacking in my later teams).
...Actually, I'm surprised how often I use Twinkle Tackle instead of Foul Play. Psych Up copying the opponent's attack boosts helps, though losing the special defence boosts from Z-Thunder Wave is often no fun.
Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 01, 2017, 07:45:14 PMTry Ultimate Z (http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ultimate-z.3609393/) in Smogon's Other Metagames. One of the best features I've found in it is how Pokemon suddenly get terrible cases of five-moveslot syndrome there. It's got other features such as Z-Haze and Z-Psych Up suddenly being terrifying full heals for stall and just plain defensive mons alike, and utter freaking nukes for STAB or coverage-that-used-to-be-Hidden Power.
Sounds interesting, though not quite what I had in mind.
QuoteYou can play it in Dragon Heaven (http://dragonheaven.psim.us/)
That'll probably be a problem. I have a couple teams created for a bunch of interesting Other Metagames that I can't use because nobody is ever on the only servers they're playable on. Yaaaay.
I mean, it's a battle timer so people can't stall you out? It's not that diferent, self activated or not.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2017, 07:04:31 PMI can't remember the last time I saw a purely defensive Pokemon get banned from OU (Aegislash doesn't count, nor does Deoxys-D). They* have a stall fetish or something.
*(obviously not everyone on the website, but "them" in general, as a whole)
They've never banned a defensive pokemon, expect the two that are banned... What defensive pokemon do you think should be banned? If anything I wanna see shit like greninja go before idk chansey or something.
toxipex
Quote from: FireArrow on August 03, 2017, 02:54:47 PMThey've never banned a defensive pokemon, expect the two that are banned...
No, Aegislash doesn't count because it's mostly an
offensive threat, not a defensive threat, though one of its forms does have high defensive capacity. Deoxys-D doesn't count because Deoxys is Ubers, and most of its forms are usually quickbanned from OU anyway.
QuoteWhat defensive pokemon do you think should be banned? If anything I wanna see shit like greninja go before idk chansey or something.
Yeah, like Noc said. Toxapex, Celesteela, and Mega Sableye are probably the most likely candidates I'd pick, with Ferrothorn and Chansey/Blissey trailing slightly behind. And maybe Magearna as well. This is mostly referring to OU; even though I'd like to see Toxapex eternally banished, I doubt they'd ban it from
Ubers as well.
An "anything goes" tier consisting only of Mega Rayquaza and Toxapex does seem a little...unusual.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 03, 2017, 03:29:11 PMAn "anything goes" tier consisting only of Mega Rayquaza and Toxapex does seem a little...unusual.
Not really. Mentality like this is what stops defensive threats from being banned, i.e. not equating them "on the same level" as offensive threats. Having high defensive stats, Regenerator, Scald,
and Haze should at least be enough to warrant a second look, shouldn't it?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 03, 2017, 03:18:24 PMNo, Aegislash doesn't count because it's mostly an offensive threat, not a defensive threat, though one of its forms does have high defensive capacity. Deoxys-D doesn't count because Deoxys is Ubers, and most of its forms are usually quickbanned from OU anyway.
Yeah, like Noc said. Toxapex, Celesteela, and Mega Sableye are probably the most likely candidates I'd pick, with Ferrothorn and Chansey/Blissey trailing slightly behind. And maybe Magearna as well. This is mostly referring to OU; even though I'd like to see Toxapex eternally banished, I doubt they'd ban it from Ubers as well.
The majority of Magearna sets in Smogon seem offensive instead of defensive (and man am I a fan of aiming Fleur Cannon at opposing Pokemon), and Celesteela has a prominent Autotomize offensive set, so I'll have to disagree with calling them defensive Pokemon if Aegislash isn't a defensive Pokemon (Aegislash did have a prominent SubToxic(-King's Shield-attack) set in Gen 6 OU that sat around and poisoned out counters to its other sets).
In the meantime, the irony is that Giratina-A and Zygarde-C (i.e. Zygarde with Power Construct) are stuck in defensive roles in Ubers, while Zygarde-C got quickbanned to Ubers because of its ability to sweep OU teams. ...Despite Zygarde-C and Giratina-A having roughly equal offensive stats, access to boosting moves, and recovery. (I think Giratina-A has only ever been insta-banned, but if Zygarde-C can sweep OU teams, then so can Giratina-A.)
Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 03, 2017, 03:42:53 PMThe majority of Magearna sets in Smogon seem offensive instead of defensive (and man am I a fan of aiming Fleur Cannon at opposing Pokemon)
In Ubers, Magearna is used as a defensive counter to Xerneas. Even in OU, Magearna is considerably bulky, even if it uses offensive moves; if it doesn't use its own boosting moves, it's mostly used to wall stuff and chip away.
QuoteCelesteela has a prominent Autotomize offensive set
The defensive set is far, far more prominent, especially with the generally stall-oriented current meta in both OU and Ubers.
Quote(Aegislash did have a prominent SubToxic(-King's Shield-attack) set in Gen 6 OU that sat around and poisoned out counters to its other sets)
Having access to a certain set does not mean that it is its most common, or especially optimal, set. In OU, Aegislash was primarily offensive, while in Ubers, it takes more of a defensive role.
QuoteIn the meantime, the irony is that Giratina-A and Zygarde-C (i.e. Zygarde with Power Construct) are stuck in defensive roles in Ubers, while Zygarde-C got quickbanned to Ubers because of its ability to sweep OU teams. ...Despite Zygarde-C and Giratina-A having roughly equal offensive stats, access to boosting moves, and recovery. (I think Giratina-A has only ever been insta-banned, but if Zygarde-C can sweep OU teams, then so can Giratina-A.)
Not really sure how this is relevant. Both Pokemon have Ubers-worthy base stat totals and in the case of Zygarde, a powerful coverage move (rip Kyurem-B), with the only caveat being you have to activate its ability first.
EDIT: To put it more simply, both Celesteela and Magearna are primarily defensive with offensive capabilities, rather than the other way around.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 03, 2017, 04:06:19 PMNot really sure how this is relevant. Both Pokemon have Ubers-worthy base stat totals and in the case of Zygarde, a powerful coverage move (rip Kyurem-B), with the only caveat being you have to activate its ability first.
My point with the nature of the Zygarde-C quickban is that it doesn't matter how defensively oriented a Pokemon's stats are and its movesets can tend to be, it'll be more likely to be considered an offensive threat than a defensive threat if it's in a meta it's too strong for.
Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 03, 2017, 04:16:34 PMMy point with the nature of the Zygarde-C quickban is that it doesn't matter how defensively oriented a Pokemon's stats are and its movesets can tend to be, it'll be more likely to be considered an offensive threat than a defensive threat if it's in a meta it's too strong for.
Not sure what you mean about this. In OU, a boosted Zygarde-C can do much more than a boosted Zygarde-C can do in Ubers, hence accounting for the shift.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 03, 2017, 04:20:48 PMNot sure what you mean about this. In OU, a boosted Zygarde-C can do much more than a boosted Zygarde-C can do in Ubers, hence accounting for the shift.
Zygarde-C's 100 base Attack and 91 base Special Attack don't change between metas, and neither do its boosting moves. The only reason why Ubers are taking less damage from a same-boosted Zygarde-C than OU mons do is because Uber mons have more bulk overall then OU mons (shucks, Mega Mewtwo Y has 106 base HP and 70 base Defence, and it's supposed to be one of the frailer sweepers).
Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 03, 2017, 04:35:44 PMZygarde-C's 100 base Attack and 91 base Special Attack don't change between metas, and neither do its boosting moves. The only reason why Ubers are taking less damage from a same-boosted Zygarde-C than OU mons do is because Uber mons have more bulk overall then OU mons (shucks, Mega Mewtwo Y has 106 base HP and 70 base Defence, and it's supposed to be one of the frailer sweepers).
that's literally just what i said except in more detail
No no, I think I get what Dekka's trying to say. A 'mon may appear to be more offensive than defensive if it's in a meta where everything up against it takes massive damage from it, even if its offensive and defensive capabilities are roughly equal. Conversely, if it's put in a meta where its bulk becomes more of an important asset, it may suddenly be considered defensive.
Regardless, you're way overcomplicating it from the original point though.
Overcomplicating? It seems pretty straightforward to me. It's just Dekka's explanation for why it seems that offensive Pokémon are always the ones to be banned (which Dudeman summed up very nicely) in response to your claim that Smogon hardly ever bans defensive OU Pokémon.
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 03, 2017, 05:42:38 PMOvercomplicating? It seems pretty straightforward to me. It's just Dekka's explanation for why it seems that offensive Pokémon are always the ones to be banned (which Dudeman summed up very nicely) in response to your claim that Smogon hardly ever bans defensive OU Pokémon.
No, it's overcomplicating it, and completely missing the original point as well. There are plenty of pure offensive Pokemon that have been banned, both in this gen and in the past, while you're pretty much never going to see Pokemon like Ferrothorn or Toxapex banned.
EDIT: In other words, in the current state, the majority of Pokemon banned are pretty much guaranteed not to be banned for their defensive ability by itself, but rather, they are either banned because of their pure offensive capabilities, plain and simple, or because their defensive abilities are used to complement their offensive abilities.
But didn't you say this yourself?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 03, 2017, 04:06:19 PMIn OU, Aegislash was primarily offensive, while in Ubers, it takes more of a defensive role.
Dekka gave some other examples of this as well, of Pokémon that served offensive roles in OU but defensive roles after being banned to Ubers. Just because
some purely offensive Pokémon have been banned doesn't mean that Smogon always bans offensive Pokémon and never defense Pokémon, because these other examples of banned Pokémon are similarly or equally strong in both offense and defense.
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 03, 2017, 05:55:44 PMJust because some purely offensive Pokémon have been banned doesn't mean that Smogon always bans offensive Pokémon and never defense Pokémon,
I think that's exactly the point he's making though? Because there's a difference between being banned for being obnoxiously defensive and being banned for what you immediately followed up that statement with:
Quotebecause these other examples of banned Pokémon are similarly or equally strong in both offense and defense.
Pokemon are getting banned for being overly offensive or equally offensive and defensive, but not for defense. Some just end up turning to defense in that latter case because their offense is suddenly outmatched by the other monsters in that tier.
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 03, 2017, 05:55:44 PMBut didn't you say this yourself?
Yes, I did, and that does not contradict my point at all.
Aegislash was banned for its offensive capabilities, which were augmented by its defensive capabilities. However, being relegated to Ubers, it was mostly forced to drop its offensive uses because its defensive uses were more viable (I believe most Aegislash are used against Geomancy Xerneas, or at least they were in Gen 6).
QuoteDekka gave some other examples of this as well, of Pokémon that served offensive roles in OU but defensive roles after being banned to Ubers. Just because some purely offensive Pokémon have been banned doesn't mean that Smogon always bans offensive Pokémon and never defense Pokémon, because these other examples of banned Pokémon are similarly or equally strong in both offense and defense.
Once again, that does not contradict my point at all. You're way overthinking it.
Fair point, I understand; I misinterpreted the original point you were trying to argue.
is celebi an offensive or defensive pokemon
I'll admit that was pretty creative
but I still made a really good point
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 03, 2017, 06:32:47 PMis celebi an offensive or defensive pokemon
That depends. Mythical "100 across the board" Pokemon tend to be used for a multitude of purposes. Mew is all over the place, being either offensive (Nasty Plot), defensive (most sets with Roost), or more accurately, "support" Pokemon (Stealth Rock). Celebi is
generally more offensive (Nasty Plot), though it can incorporate Leech Seed into its sets... and apparently has Stealth Rock too? Jirachi is either support or flinchhax offense, whereas Victini is pretty much solely offensive.
so pokemon can have multiple roles on a team and only get banned when one of those roles is too oppressive for a certain tier
meaning they're considered offensive pokemon when they're banned
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 03, 2017, 03:18:24 PMNo, Aegislash doesn't count because it's mostly an offensive threat
QuoteAegislash
Quoteoffensive threat
???
252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Raichu: 192-226 (
73.5 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Charizard Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Raichu: 190-225 (
72.7 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
guess regular Charizard should be banned
Quote from: Echo on August 04, 2017, 01:53:41 AM???
252+ SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Raichu: 192-226 (73.5 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Charizard Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Raichu: 190-225 (72.7 - 86.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
guess regular Charizard should be banned
Quote from: SmogonStatwise, Aegislash doesn't seem all that promising defensively or offensively, but one must look closer to discover the lethal combination of its ability Stance Change and signature move King's Shield. With these two traits put together, Aegislash became a massive pain for teams to handle, as it could utilize Shield Forme's great 60 / 150 / 150 defensive stats to tank a hit and proceed to change to Blade Form when attacking to unleash powerful attacks with its 150 / 150 mixed offenses; basically, no stat, bar Speed, went to waste when making an offensive Aegislash. But while it's true that Blade Forme's defenses are abysmal, actually hitting Aegislash in Blade Forme can be very tricky without trading blows with it, as King's Shield would instantly revert Aegislash back to Shield Forme thanks to its priority and Aegislash's Speed is low enough to "outslow" every sweeper and most wallbreakers and always take hits in Shield Forme before launching its own attacks. Speaking of King's Shield, that move was one of the biggest complaints people had about Aegislash, as its effect of lowering the opponent's Attack by 2 two stages when they make contact with it made many of the physical attackers in the tier obsolete, made them use moves that were only useful for beating Aegislash, or would cause mind games that could turn a whole battle around. While Aegislash doesn't have a particularly expansive movepool, it does boast perfect neutral coverage in Shadow Ball and Sacred Sword, which also provides great mixed coverage to hit walls of all kinds. Aegislash was also blessed with a Ghost / Steel typing, granting it nine resistances, including a Stealth Rock resistance, and three immunities, including a Toxic immunity, making Aegislash that much harder to crack open.
Quote from: Also SmogonAegislash's simultaneous offensive and defensive capabilities are unmatched in OU. With its pseudo-base 720 BST, it contributes to teams in incredible ways even with minimal investment and planning. Aegislash's offensive power and incredible Ghost-type STAB coupled with its coverage options make it next to impossible to reliably answer.
u wot m8
like seriously
your post was really awful
that's not how it works
Quoteyour post was really awful
that's mean :'(
but all i'm seeing is that you dunno how to make an argument by yourself and hav to c/p stuff from smogon
try reading what you quote too. the whole first paragraph barely covers anything "offensive." the whole first part just goes on and on about Stance Change and King's Shield for soaking up attacks, and the last part is all about praising its resistances and immunities. heck, your second quote doesn't even prove that it's "mainly/primarily" offensive, since it leads off by saying that Aegislash is
simultaneously offensive and defensive
For real though, calling Aegislash primarily an offensive threat is misleading. Yeah, it has 150 base special attack, but that's totally offset by having to use 80 base power moves. Like I proved above, in terms of raw power it's comparable to a normal Charizard. It's especially misleading to see posts that point out those 150 base offenses without mentioning the weak moves that they're used with. It's like trying to portray Shuckle as an amazing wall because it has base 230 defenses, without mentioning the base 20 HP.
I mean, Aegislash has usable offense, I'll give it that, but you trying to argue with FA and MSF that it's "mainly/primarily" offensive is just wrong. I mean, its best set was/is the Sub/Toxic set, so I dunno how you're even gonna say that it was mainly used for its offensive prowess. It was banned because it was just generally good all around and was placed on a bunch of teams, but the reason for that was because of its stupid immunities/resistances to keep common stuff like Pheromosa and Tapu Lele in line, with having a decent neutral-coverage attacking move being icing on the cake.
Quote from: Echo on August 04, 2017, 03:17:16 AMthat's mean :'(
it was a haiku
Quotebut all i'm seeing is that you dunno how to make an argument by yourself and hav to c/p stuff from smogon
Because it answers your question and getting the info straight from the source is reliable and easy. And because I thought you'd be more likely to accept it rather than me just saying the same thing, but I guess not. :-\
Quotetry reading what you quote too. the whole first paragraph barely covers anything "offensive." the whole first part just goes on and on about Stance Change and King's Shield for soaking up attacks, and the last part is all about praising its resistances and immunities. heck, your second quote doesn't even prove that it's "mainly/primarily" offensive, since it leads off by saying that Aegislash is simultaneously offensive and defensive
Again, you people are missing the point by overthinking it completely. I don't think we're on the same page here.
echo is an aegislash main
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 03, 2017, 03:18:24 PMNo, Aegislash doesn't count because it's mostly an offensive threat, not a defensive threat, though one of its forms does have high defensive capacity. Deoxys-D doesn't count because Deoxys is Ubers, and most of its forms are usually quickbanned from OU anyway.
One of Aegislashes best sets was subtoxic. dont really feel like talking about deoxysD so you can have that one
QuoteYeah, like Noc said. Toxapex, Celesteela, and Mega Sableye are probably the most likely candidates I'd pick, with Ferrothorn and Chansey/Blissey trailing slightly behind. And maybe Magearna as well. This is mostly referring to OU; even though I'd like to see Toxapex eternally banished, I doubt they'd ban it from Ubers as well.
I'm ok with a Magearna ban but that's because of it's offensive capabilities and god tier broken ass typing.
Mega Sableye is the only one of those I could somewhat agree with becuase it circumvents stalls weaknesses and I hate that thing. I personally don't think it's a good idea to ban it though because stall would become borderline unviable without it and I don't think invalidating a playstyle is a very good way to go about things.
Toxapex is fine I think you just have personal issue with fat pokemon.
Quote from: FireArrow on August 05, 2017, 07:17:45 PMOne of Aegislashes best sets was subtoxic. dont really feel like talking about deoxysD so you can have that one
IIRC, the vast majority of Aegislash used throughout X/Y and Sun/Moon OU were Life Orb or offensive Leftovers sets. I can't recall seeing many (or any) SubToxic Aegislash, but like it was mentioned before, that set was mostly meant to be used against the ever-increasing number of Pokemon used against Aegislash (e.g. Mandibuzz and a couple others), and not Aegislash's "primary" set. I wish I could find my replays from before the Aegislash ban, but I can't seem to locate them.
QuoteToxapex is fine I think you just have personal issue with fat pokemon.
I have nothing against defensive Pokemon by themselves; rather, I have a burning hatred for stall and the toxic mindsets that tend to accompany it. Stall is more exploiting the flaws of the system than a worthy playstyle. Since we can't change the game mechanics, curbing defensive Pokemon in OU is the best route we have to go.
Also, nah, Toxapex ain't "fine" by any measure. >:(
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 05, 2017, 07:32:46 PMIIRC, the vast majority of Aegislash used throughout X/Y and Sun/Moon OU were Life Orb or offensive Leftovers sets. I can't recall seeing many (or any) SubToxic Aegislash, but like it was mentioned before, that set was mostly meant to be used against the ever-increasing number of Pokemon used against Aegislash (e.g. Mandibuzz and a couple others), and not Aegislash's "primary" set. I wish I could find my replays from before the Aegislash ban, but I can't seem to locate them.
Iirc Aegislashes main use in gen 7 was to be a blanket check to the meta while being really hard to switch into becuase ghost typing along with the slew of sets it could run (subtoxic being one of them.)
QuoteI have nothing against defensive Pokemon by themselves; rather, I have a burning hatred for stall and the toxic mindsets that tend to accompany it. Stall is more exploiting the flaws of the system than a worthy playstyle. Since we can't change the game mechanics, curbing defensive Pokemon in OU is the best route we have to go.
Also, nah, Toxapex ain't "fine" by any measure. >:(
My personal favorite playstyle is semistall. As long as your goal is to win by KOing all 6 pokemon then it's fine. Things such as PP stalling though are toxic (And luckily smogon agrees with me on that one.)
Toxapex can be lured (z-moves are the main reason I don't want to get into gen 7 >:c), broken by wallbreakers, and shit on by stallbreakers. It also sucks up a ton of momentum and provides no offensive presense.
Quote from: FireArrow on August 05, 2017, 08:19:45 PMMy personal favorite playstyle is semistall. As long as your goal is to win by KOing all 6 pokemon then it's fine. Things such as PP stalling though are toxic (And luckily smogon agrees with me on that one.)
No. You misunderstand. Whereas with most other playstyles, it's pretty clear when you're fighting a hopeless battle, stall encourages a mindset of fighting down to the last inch. Stall players will keep playing even when they're slipping, because down to the last turn, there's still a chance they could win, and thus, they insist on going on. And the thing is, even when you're on the winning path, there's still usually a long way to go before the battle's over (by nature of the Pokemon and moves they use which are, obviously, designed to
stall), again, unlike other playstyles. And what's even worse if they get salty at you when you win.
QuoteToxapex can be lured (z-moves are the main reason I don't want to get into gen 7 >:c), broken by wallbreakers, and shit on by stallbreakers. It also sucks up a ton of momentum and provides no offensive presense.
That's much, much easier said than done (there are barely any good wallbreakers in OU that have enough power
AND coverage). Also, if you don't OHKO or sometimes, situationally, 2HKO the opposing stall Mon, the Z-move is pretty much useless against stall when they can just heal off all the damage next turn.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 05, 2017, 08:31:13 PMNo. You misunderstand. Whereas with most other playstyles, it's pretty clear when you're fighting a hopeless battle, stall encourages a mindset of fighting down to the last inch. Stall players will keep playing even when they're slipping, because down to the last turn, there's still a chance they could win, and thus, they insist on going on. And the thing is, even when you're on the winning path, there's still usually a long way to go before the battle's over (by nature of the Pokemon and moves they use which are, obviously, designed to stall), again, unlike other playstyles. And what's even worse if they get salty at you when you win.p
I can see that. Maybe not as a reason to ban more defensive pokemon, but it's certaintly a good reason to not like stall.
QuoteThat's much, much easier said than done (there are barely any good wallbreakers in OU that have enough power AND coverage). Also, if you don't OHKO or sometimes, situationally, 2HKO the opposing stall Mon, the Z-move is pretty much useless against stall when they can just heal off all the damage next turn.
Wall breakers are alive and kicking - Medicham, Bulu, and Lele are pretty scary. Stall breakers are kind of bad right now because they get countered by mega sableye (although without sab they'd 6-0 stall.)
wait, medicham is an OU pokemon?
Quote from: FireArrow on August 05, 2017, 09:10:11 PMWall breakers are alive and kicking - Medicham, Bulu, and Lele are pretty scary. Stall breakers are kind of bad right now because they get countered by mega sableye (although without sab they'd 6-0 stall.)
Mega Medicham is eh (might have to try it out, but I've barely seen it around anyway). Tapu Bulu needs Choice Band (which seriously restricts coverage), or Swords Dance (which either has a hard time setting up and/or completely loses to anything that can hit it super effectively... or for that matter, anything which it doesn't hit super effectively or especially resists grass), and likewise, Tapu Lele pretty much relies on Choice Scarf, which means you either have to severely wear down the opponent's team first, or do a lot of switching (which isn't likely to go over well against stall). None of those are "pretty scary" at all considering what they have to go against... and Mega Sableye isn't the only issue: it's having such a large quantity of stall-conducive Pokemon to work with, and not enough to go against it.
On smogon Tapu Bulu is A+, Lele A, and Mega Medi A- for what it's worth. Their stall matchup is really good, their weakness being a bad matchup against offense. I also forgot about Hoopu-U but he's a bit of an extreme.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-613846155
While testing Mega Medicham on my used-to-be-Mega-Banette-team (then for a time was a Mega Scizor team). I eschewed the regular Fake Out for Bulk Up, hoping to use Mega Medicham to scare things out and set up so it hopefully has the OOMPH it needs to actually OHKO things (because somehow 100 base attack Pure Power isn't always enough), instead of chipping away at things (which just doesn't cut it all the time). Of course, it relies on opponents doing the logical thing all the time, which a lot of the times they don't. I messed up a little by not Roosting against Scizor, instead going for Taunt (would've helped to keep the switch chain going on and wear down Scizor some more) and then assuming Tornadus had any item other than a Z-Crystal, but they messed up by keeping Tapu Bulu out when I switched in Gengar.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 05, 2017, 09:37:50 PMwait, medicham is an OU pokemon?
Yup, Mega Medicham is still OU. Regular Medicham's probably further down.
In other news,
Manaphy has dropped to UU. Anyone else want to push this guy into OU again? I have a bad feeling it'll be imprisoned in BL within one round otherwise...
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-814209803
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I'll admit that I'm not really up on competitive pokemon, but that was pretty fun to watch! (Also the other person being really salty when they lost was pretty amusing.)
Thanks; it was absolutely miserable to play. I don't know why I still play Random Battles.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randombattle-825349288
upvote for punchcat
Why is it every time I use Shedinja people forfeit? It's not even that hard of a pokemon to beat
A better question is why do you even use Shedinja?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on March 13, 2019, 03:32:00 PMA better question is why do you even use Shedinja?
Quote from: cashwarrior1 on March 13, 2019, 02:55:44 PMevery time I use Shedinja people forfeit
I think I found the answer
Because I thought it'd be funny to use shedinja with a focus sash, so he can take two hits. I also gave him Sucker Punch, Swords Dance, Phantom Force, and Protect. I mostly use him to throw people off and to make them annoyed. But I mean, I'm not making an infinite stall like some people, you'll hit him eventually.
yeah that's pretty trolly
then again people could always just run sand teams
The thing is, Shedinja can be annoying to deal with. The majority of people don't build their teams with any thought of running into Shedinja, so that means that, in most cases, you only need to take out a couple of their Pokemon in order to make them unable to hit Shedinja completely. I don't think it's reasonable to forfeit simply upon seeing Shedinja, but idk.
Most people actually try to fight shedinja, but forfeit after I demolish their pokemon with a simple sucker punch
I just found out about Pokemon Showdown so far I like it. I'm just surprised I never knew about it before recently and I'm glad it's still pretty popular as well.