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Title: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Zeta on October 20, 2021, 10:28:24 AM
Submission Information:

Series: Other
Game: Hades
Console: Multiplatform
Title: Out of Tartarus
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Fantastic Ike (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3403)

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Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Fantastic Ike on October 20, 2021, 10:29:10 AM
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Bloop on November 01, 2021, 08:36:18 AM
Ah I remember you asking about the time signature of this on discord, very cool track and nice sheet too!
About the time signature, I don't know if you considered this or not, but I personally find it hard to hear the accents of the sixth 8th in every second bar and the second 8th of every third bar as syncopations (off-beat accents) instead of just full accents. The percussion part doesn't really help either, as they have the exact same accents. This is how I hear it:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904730261307146300/unknown.png
Technically the 8/8 could be written as 4/4 and the 6/8 should be written as 3/4, but it may be a bit easier to keep everything in 8ths.
Considering the beeps that come in at m17, another way to write it would be like this:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904733558264954970/unknown.png
The beeps are in a kind of 4/4 rhythm (like in bar 1). Bar 2 would be the same, except the last 8th gets 'stolen' and replaced with the 3/4 bar that comes afterwards. The second 8th of the 7/8 bar is now a syncopated accent, but this is a bit more natural in two bars of 4/4 (if it were that)

Anyway, if you personally do hear it as a very clear 7/8, I can work with that too: just wanted to show some other viewpoints!
Onto the actual comments:
-There are quite a lot of places where stuff touches each other. Most notably the accents with the slurs every first bar (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863709312067829811/904734849598902272/unknown.png) and the slurs, ties and accents (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904735069367861268/unknown.png) on page 4. Make sure all of this doesn't touch each other. You can move the accents a bit up or down so they won't touch the slurs. On page 4 you could fix it by widening the staff space and flipping the slur, so it goes under the notes instead of over (and make sure the accents won't touch these slurs too :p). In measures 46 and 50 there are also quarter rests in layer 2 that touch the notes in layer 1, those rests should be lowered a bit.
-m1-4: Maybe you could make this an octave tremolo instead of a single note (like this (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904731778378514432/unknown.png)). Octave tremolos usually work a bit better on piano, and are easier to control dynamically than single notes (because you don't have to repeat the same key as fast).
-m5: Dynamically this is a bit louder and active than the drone, so maybe you could put this in mf? (and consequently, m31 in f probably)
-m18-19 and similar places: You can remove the tie after beat 7 and first note of m19 in the R.H.: staccato means "play this note shortly", so you don't need to give it an exact duration. If you go with one of my time signature changes, this will probably fix itself, but remember it for other times too!
-m29-30 and similar places: The half rests here are shorter in the original, the first one should be three 8ths long and the second one two 8ths:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904737275815030784/unknown.png
You could also write it as 6/8 and 5/8 if you want the barline between the two 3-note patterns. If you go with that, also add a courtesy accidental to the first Dn in m30 :p
-m31-44: You could move the upper octave to a second layer in the R.H. too, so the L.H. doesn't have to jump as much. The R.H. has enough space and time to play the little beeps you currently have in the R.H.
-m31: The mf (or f if you go with that) should be centered under the first note and between the two staves.
-m51: I hear the Bn at beat 4.5 hear as a Bb sliding to Bn on beat 1 the next bar. The slide doesn't really work on piano though, which would make the Bn on beat 1 a bit more accentuated than you might want, so you could also do a grace note Bb to Bn on beat 4.5 possibly?
-m52: Are the Ab's here a case of "arranger's freedom"? I hear the Ab as a whole note starting on beat 1, although yours is a bit easier to play.
-m53-60: You should recheck the notes of the riff here, there's something else going on than what you have.
-m69-80: The https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904742462449393684/unknown.png's you have here are nearly unplayable by most people who don't have the surname Rachmaninoff, but there's something else going on in the bass anyway. I'd suggest something like this:
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904743582324367400/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904743662838218772/unknown.png
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The top notes of the dyads and the G's are what the bass is doing, and the guitar keeps playing the D's instead of switching up the 5ths. For m77-80 I'd do something like this:
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904746024109752370/unknown.png
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Another thing here is that I don't really feel like the first and second endings are that necessary, as you're just saving 1 system of space (same on page 14 btw). If you wanna save some systems, you could move some of the 2-measure figures like m29-30 to the system above. It's a bit less spacious than normal but it's not too bad (not accounted for the different time signatures yet):
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904746840195477574/unknown.png
If you really wanna keep the first and second endings, you should move them up a bit so they don't touch the ties in the R.H.
-m86 and 89: The Db and C's should be Eb and Dn's, respectively
-m92: The bass does something different the second time in this measure: it goes to G and A instead of Eb and F, like in m98. Instead of repeating m87-92, you should repeat m93-98.
-m110: You have the F written out here in beat 3 in layer 2 in the R.H., but in previous iterations an octave lower you have a quarter rest. I may actually prefer the F written out, so it's clear it's part of both the riff and the spooky synth, but either way you should be consistent.
-m115-119: I think this is what's going on rhythmically:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904749573694701598/unknown.png
-m120-m159: heck yeah love me some progmetal
You can switch some of the top octaves of the L.H. to the R.H. for playability:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904750621335359538/unknown.png
-m168: I hear the R.H. G an octave higher. Also, the riff does something different here too, but it's the same as in m53-60.
-m184-195: Some of the same points as in m69-80 apply here too, though you may want to take some other choices in the L.H. pattern because of the metal-ness. Maybe something like this?:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904751889948745789/unknown.png
-m201 and 204: Again, Db and C's should be Eb and Dn's.
-m202-206: The top G in the R.H. is a bit too stretchy to play with the D-G dyad in the second layer. I'd recommend moving the D up an octave. Also, raise the rests a bit so they don't touch the second layer dyads and ties.
-m207: The bottom Eb's and F's should be G's and A's.
-m224-226: This should be the same rhythmically as what happened in m115-117.
-m227-229: I'd write these last bars as just one bar with a fermate, as the two extra bars don't really add much extra information about how long you should let the chord ring. Also, you could move the D to the R.H. and add a lower octave G to the L.H., as the bass goes to that lower octave. You have that G everywhere else during the progmetal part anyway.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/904754405058957373/unknown.png



That was a lot, damn. There's a lot that applies to multiple parts of your sheet, so make sure similar looking parts get fixed similarly. Don't let the long post demotivate you: I think you did a really good job on this sheet! The arrangement itself is (mostly) fine, it's pretty much just a lot of formatting and a few wrong notes that appear more often than once. I hope my comments will help!
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Fantastic Ike on November 02, 2021, 06:41:04 AM
Oof, that was a lot to fix haha, I think I got it all though.

Quote-m52: Are the Ab's here a case of "arranger's freedom"? I hear the Ab as a whole note starting on beat 1, although yours is a bit easier to play.
I did originally have a whole note, but it didn't sound as good and looked awkward to play, so I thought it would be better served accenting the notes. So yeah, it is arranger's freedom essentially, but if it's not proper I'll fix it.

Anyway thanks for the feedback!
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Bloop on November 03, 2021, 05:01:19 AM
Nice work on going through all of that! Just a few more details:

-The tremolo in bar 1-4 is still the same, though you did change the one in 121.
-m30 (and similar places): Though not obligatory, you could add a courtesy accidental to the Dn here as it's right next to the Db in the previous measure.
-m46 (and similar places): Technically the accent on beat 3 in the R.H. should go below the bar right? It doesn't really matter for the performance though.
-m51 (and similar places): I meant adding the grace note to beat 4.5 of this bar, not the first beat of the following bar:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863709312067829811/905422652632629388/unknown.png
Also, just to be sure, did you mean for the G in layer 1 to be accented as well?
-m53 and 56: The accent is touching the slur here
-m61: I see you added a pedal marking here, good idea! The only thing is that it is quite long: on keyboards/electric pianos the tones usually die out earlier than on acoustic pianos, so on acoustic pianos this might get very muddy after a few bars. I'd suggest re-pedaling every 2 bars (you could do m61-64 as a 4 bar pedal though, as notes from bar 61-62 won't clash with 63-64)
-m93 and 99: You don't really need the dotted half rest in layer 1, having nothing above the held G is good enough
-m178: Maybe you could add the pedal lines in this part too, as it's pretty much the same idea as m61
-m216-229: There are some accents that are still touching the slurs in this part (mostly in the L.H.), and the placement of the accents in the R.H. are a bit inconsistent. Make sure all rests on the 3rd beat of every first bar in a system is on pretty much the same place!
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Fantastic Ike on November 03, 2021, 09:42:00 AM
Okay, think I fixed all those too!
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Bloop on November 03, 2021, 11:59:26 AM
Awesome! There's still some more (even smaller) details, but that should be all from me:

-m44, 147, 177: The Dn in the right hand should have a courtesy accidental too, not just the L.H.
-m46 and similar: The accent here on beat 3 touches the stem in this specific bars, and in others like this (m50, 106, 110, 163, 217,  221) it's a bit too far left. It should look like you have in m167.
-m51, 111, 168, 222: With the accent in layer 1 I meant the top layer, not the bottom one. You have accents in the guitar riff part, but not in the spooky synth, so I was wondering if you consciously added the accent in the spooky synth or not. I think it should be an accent below the bottom G and no accent above the upper G.
Also, the grace notes here should have slurs added as well, like in my example pic. Mostly because this is also a slide/hammer on figure like you did with most other slurs.
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Fantastic Ike on November 03, 2021, 05:20:46 PM
Should be all fixed!
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Bloop on November 04, 2021, 11:32:59 AM
Very nice work! For the smallest of details: the grace notes in the L.H. don't have slurs yet :p I'll approve it now anyway, but don't forget to add those in!
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Fantastic Ike on November 05, 2021, 06:30:01 AM
Yup yup! Thanks!
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Static on November 23, 2021, 08:40:11 AM
This looks really good! But I have some details to go over:
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Fantastic Ike on November 24, 2021, 07:27:31 AM
Fixed, hope that should be everything. As fun of a piece as it is, it's very vexing to edit haha
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Static on November 24, 2021, 10:58:51 AM
Looks good mostly
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Fantastic Ike on November 24, 2021, 01:04:17 PM
Think that's everything!
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Static on November 24, 2021, 01:25:55 PM
Awesome, I'll accept now, nice work
Title: Re: [MUL] Hades - "Out of Tartarus" by Fantastic Ike
Post by: Zeta on November 24, 2021, 01:26:06 PM
This submission has been accepted by Static (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4960).

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