Submission Information:
Series: Mario Kart
Game: Mario Kart 64
Console: Nintendo 64
Title: Staff Roll
Instrumentation Piano Duet
Arranger: Nine Lives (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5395)
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As per usual, I'd like formatting help after help and suggestions for notation and all that's related. Thanks very much!
As per usual, we'd like to get those things out of the way before you even submit the sheet, NineLives. If you can ever get into the habit of formatting your sheets correctly, with or without our help on Discord, this won't be a recurring problem that delays people from reviewing your transcription.
First thing that looks off is the page count. I'm thinking that if you could put 3 measures into every system, we could cut down on your number of pages. If they start to look a little cramped, we can always decrease the page size by increments of 5% until they look decent.
Quote from: LeviR.star on August 31, 2019, 02:47:06 PMAs per usual, we'd like to get those things out of the way before you even submit the sheet, NineLives. If you can ever get into the habit of formatting your sheets correctly, with or without our help on Discord, this won't be a recurring problem that delays people from reviewing your transcription.
First thing that looks off is the page count. I'm thinking that if you could put 3 measures into every system, we could cut down on your number of pages. If they start to look a little cramped, we can always decrease the page size by increments of 5% until they look decent.
I'm sorry. I will admit that was ignorant of me. I'll try to see if I can work out those kinks on Notepad and/or Musescore.
No worries. Feel free to reach out for help from anyone who has Finale.
I'll get the formatting on this one soon
Quote from: Latios212 on September 18, 2019, 03:54:22 PMI'll get the formatting on this one soon
Thanks very much, Latios! As for myself, I was able to at least implement the three measures per system, which was one of the concerns.
I'm pretty sure beat 3 of m.1 is an E, not an F#
You could add more dynamic markings in here, since this piece is definitely not at a static volume. It can also help you bring out the mood changes in between sections
I don't think those are triplets, they sound more like dotted eighth - dotted eighth - eighth rhythms to me (notes aren't an even triplet). Be sure to beam that properly too
Not really a fan of the articulation you use there, especially with the repeated E in (oh no i just noticed there aren't any measure numbers) the penultimate section. To me, that implies more of a hammered attack, sharp and aggressive.
Updated with first pass at formatting! Let me know if I messed anything up.
I do think we could do away with the couple of measures on the last page; later I'll poke around with the distribution a bit.
Please have a look at Insig's comments and let me know if you need me to do more edits. :P
Quote from: Latios212 on September 24, 2019, 04:08:57 PMUpdated with first pass at formatting! Let me know if I messed anything up.
I think you did a fine job with the formatting. Thanks again, Latios!
Quote from: InsigTurtle on September 21, 2019, 06:43:27 PMNot really a fan of the articulation you use there, especially with the repeated E in (oh no i just noticed there aren't any measure numbers) the penultimate section. To me, that implies more of a hammered attack, sharp and aggressive.
As for your changes InsigTurtle, I got all but this one. Would you rather me split the articulated notes(The ones with marcatos) in half and articulate them with accents instead or do you have something else in mind?
Accents could work, or even tenuto markings (which, even though it means to hold down for the full length, also implies some degree of emphasis on the note)
Also sorry for not being too clear on this, when I wrote "dotted eighth - dotted eighth - eighth" it was a bit of a shorthand, since in this case you'd have to split the second dotted eighth to show the beat by doing "dotted eighth - sixteenth tied to eighth - eighth"
Okay. I think I got everything updated just right from following the comments so far. The new files are up.
- I wish this fit on 10 pages. Wonder if there's anywhere you could incorporate a repeat sign?
- Not sure if you can do this in NotePad but I would suggest increasing the size of the left margin slightly.
- Downbeats are naturally emphasized over upbeats, so I don't think you really need the accents in the bassline at all.
- I agree with Insig about the accents on the repeated E's as a "hammered attack"; I think no articulation might be better than a swarm of accents. (I would say use a different articulation but I'm not sure what else fits here.)
- m1 and m25 primo RH, drag the start of the 8va a little to the left to cover the note.
- Your 8va lines are uncomfortably close to the staff, sometimes to the point of virtually touching (i.e. m70). I would move all of them up a tiny bit; you have some space for it.
- The primo part from m25-40 can be easily played with one hand—perhaps you could bring back the high "twinkling" ostinato from the beginning? It's very quiet and much less prominent from m25-40, but it's there. You could move it an octave up (so as not to overlap with the melody on the piano) and give the staff its own p or pp dynamic marking. (If you want to use separate dynamic markings for staves, you could also indicate the melody with louder dynamics, e.g. in m9.)
Quote from: mastersuperfan on January 17, 2020, 11:38:05 PM- Downbeats are naturally emphasized over upbeats, so I don't think you really need the accents in the bassline at all.
- I agree with Insig about the accents on the repeated E's as a "hammered attack"; I think no articulation might be better than a swarm of accents. (I would say use a different articulation but I'm not sure what else fits here.)
- m1 and m25 primo RH, drag the start of the 8va a little to the left to cover the note.
- Your 8va lines are uncomfortably close to the staff, sometimes to the point of virtually touching (i.e. m70). I would move all of them up a tiny bit; you have some space for it.
- The primo part from m25-40 can be easily played with one hand—perhaps you could bring back the high "twinkling" ostinato from the beginning? It's very quiet and much less prominent from m25-40, but it's there. You could move it an octave up (so as not to overlap with the melody on the piano) and give the staff its own p or pp dynamic marking. (If you want to use separate dynamic markings for staves, you could also indicate the melody with louder dynamics, e.g. in m9.)
All right, so I got this big chunk done, but I'll wait to do the top 2 suggestions. I'm hopin' by Friday I'll get Finale Printmusic so I can take care of those changes.
Quote from: mastersuperfan on January 17, 2020, 11:38:05 PM- I wish this fit on 10 pages. Wonder if there's anywhere you could incorporate a repeat sign?
- Not sure if you can do this in NotePad but I would suggest increasing the size of the left margin slightly.
I got it to fit on 9 pages now. I wasn't able to move the left margin however.
Well, this was a long time coming for a simple left margin drag... Well, I'm slowly starting to figure out how to use PrintMusic, so hopefully I won't give up so easily next time. Any more fixes or changes needed, I'm here to work on 'em!
Very nice. Just some last things:
- I would strongly suggest doubling the primo RH from m50-66 an octave below to give the melody some extra emphasis.
- The E on beat 4 of RH primo m62 sounds like a quarter note, with the B starting on the downbeat of m63.
- You might consider adding a glissando in the primo RH from m58 beat 4 (F#) to m59 beat 1 (B). At the least, it sounds similar to a glissando in the original to me.
- Beat 4 of m2/4/6/etc. might be worth simplifying to an eighth-sixteenth-sixteenth rhythm, since it's pretty difficult to play six sixteenths on the same note in a row.
- Some of the rests between notes feel kind of arbitrary (e.g. m4, m8, m12, m16, etc.) since it never really feels like there's a clear cutoff or break in each part, and this is going to be played with pedal, too. The fact that the primo RH has a half note in m16 while the primo LH has a dotted half note seems particularly arbitrary. Perhaps just make everything continuous without rests?
- You might consider knocking all the dynamics down a level, since I think fortissimo seems too powerful for a track like this.
- The 8va elevation is still pretty erratic and inconsistent throughout the sheet. It's too high above the staff in places like m1-3, m25-30, and m37-41, and m51-56, while it's clashing with the notes in m42-47. You should be able to adjust the height of individual 8vas in Finale by clicking and dragging, but if PrintMusic can't do that, let me know.
- Some of the measures are spaced/squished a bit erratically, such as m50 and m57. I know full Finale can fix spacing across the whole sheet if you highlight all the measures and go to Utilities > Music Spacing > Apply Note Spacing to Current Part/Score, but if you can't do it with PrintMusic, someone can get it for you once everything else has been edited.
I've got all of the changes done, but I'm unsure about this one:
Quote from: mastersuperfan on April 15, 2020, 07:19:07 PM- Some of the measures are spaced/squished a bit erratically, such as m50 and m57. I know full Finale can fix spacing across the whole sheet if you highlight all the measures and go to Utilities > Music Spacing > Apply Note Spacing to Current Part/Score, but if you can't do it with PrintMusic, someone can get it for you once everything else has been edited.
I applied the music spacing throughout, but it looks about the same as it did before in the section you were concerned about.
In addition, I was wanting to move some 8va lines above the ending marks, but for some reason, they snapped back down, which is weird because the other ones that were moved stayed.
Here's a MUSX file with the 8va's fixed (https://www.dropbox.com/s/qxm8u4nhoyravhy/Mario_Kart_64_-_Staff_Roll_edited%20%281%29.musx?dl=0) (you seemed to have already fixed the music spacing in your own files; also, I'm assuming you can open MUSX files?), among other changes:
- Changed the tied eighth note on beat 1 of m22 primo LH to a dotted quarter note to fill the rest.
- Changed the measure distribution to be 3 measures in every system (a few of them had 2 measures or 4 measures and were looking very widened or cramped, respectively).
- Added parentheses to the repeated E's in the primo LH that were also played simultaneously by the RH, to indicate overlap.
Make sure everything imports correctly and looks good on your end. Feel free to bring up any other changes you have in mind; if you like it as is, I will approve.
It seems to have transferred over well. Thanks for the help MSF! I'll update the files!
Thanks you two for getting this one in shape! I have a number of small corrections to point out:
- The 8va at the beginning is a bit too far to the left. Same for 25
- 8va end bracket extends past the barline in m. 9
- Overlap between 8va lines and repeat # brackets in page 4 and 7
- Opening dynamics are a bit too close to the top staff. Same with a few dynamics/hairpins later
- Repeat number left brackets aren't aligned with the barlines in m. 32, 59
- 8va should have a right bracket ending on the penultimate measure
File with the above fixes: [FILE] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/jwrwgt0vq6k90x7/Mario%20Kart%2064%20-%20Staff%20Roll.musx?dl=1)
Regarding notes:
- The rhythm (bottom) in every second measure plays four 16ths on beat 4 instead of eighth + two 16ths.
- Melody: I am not hearing a note on beat 2.5 of m. 26/51.
If this all sounds good to you, you can just make the note fixes on the file above or I can do it for you.
Quote from: Latios212 on May 06, 2020, 03:29:58 PM- The rhythm (bottom) in every second measure plays four 16ths on beat 4 instead of eighth + two 16ths.
This was my recommendation:
Quote from: mastersuperfan on April 15, 2020, 07:19:07 PM- Beat 4 of m2/4/6/etc. might be worth simplifying to an eighth-sixteenth-sixteenth rhythm, since it's pretty difficult to play six sixteenths on the same note in a row.
Thanks much for the small corrections, Latios.
Quote from: Latios212 on May 06, 2020, 03:29:58 PMRegarding notes:
- The rhythm (bottom) in every second measure plays four 16ths on beat 4 instead of eighth + two 16ths.
- Melody: I am not hearing a note on beat 2.5 of m. 26/51.
Refer to MSF's comment for the first concern. For the second, I've been listening closely and I think that note is just a bit hard to hear. Maybe the first note is still going and the one on beat 2.5 is a bit overshadowed by it, 'cause I definitely hear it. It seems like there's two instruments at work there and the one aside from the really high strings is playing it.
You're welcome!
Sorry, I missed MSF's comment. I still think it'd be good to write those notes in - the performer can easily skip them if they want. Thoughts?
About those melody notes, still don't really hear them but they make total sense, maybe I'm missing them. If they're alright with everyone else then looks good to me.
Quote from: Latios212 on May 07, 2020, 02:55:25 PMSorry, I missed MSF's comment. I still think it'd be good to write those notes in - the performer can easily skip them if they want. Thoughts?
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Quote from: Latios212 on May 07, 2020, 02:55:25 PMI still think it'd be good to write those notes in - the performer can easily skip them if they want. Thoughts?
Sorry for late reply. Um... I'd rather keep it as is still. I mean, if the performer would want to play 'em, I guess they'd be worth putting in, but the notes, when put to tempo, would be pretty hard to do constantly like that regardless, so many'd be skipping anyhow. I could maybe see alternating between octaves, but that may be a bit odd.
Fair enough, sounds good. Accepting! :)
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