When I first listended to the third movement of Erich Wolfgang Korngold's Violin Concerto I noticed a significant similarity to the
Super Mario Galaxy Main Theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vniCuX5eak
From 1:12 to 1:26 both the key sig. and the notes are the same! Only the rhythm is slightly different and the SMG Main Theme being an octave higher. From 4:44 to 5:02, there is the big reprise of that theme, just in F Major, but the orchestration with the brass section playing the melody gives the polish to concern that this theme is a plagiarism made by Koji Kondo.
Compare it to the arrangements of that theme on the site and with the "original" here, the theme also is in SMG 2, as the soundtrack is mostly made from variations of the first game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqihUzi_714 (first seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppDiC7QThkg (first seconds)
What do you think about this? I wouldn't offend Kondo for this, as Korngold's concerto is often played in Japan, he just might had the melody is his head and didn't noticed the similarity, but if he would be confronted with that, he could be indicted of plagiarism.
Nice ear you have there. :P Kondo may have just adapted to these styles, or for all we know, it's just a huge coincidence. :P
A lot of the stuff in SMG (especially music) is unoriginal anyway. ::)
First of all I must say, this violin concerto is amazing!
But I don't think it's plagiarism... it's just similar to the SMG theme. (I did not know that korngold was austrian! woo!)
This isn't plagiarism, a few seconds of music matching isn't much of a case.
Yes, there are similarties, but the odds that Kondo intended to steal this music is very minimal. The Concerto itself is relatively obscure so even if Kondo had heard it, that brief motif isn't anything special. That happens all of the time in music, one composer will write a few measures and years later another will write an entire melody that seems to match.
Quote from: universe-X on September 05, 2010, 11:56:38 AMA lot of the stuff in SMG (especially music) is unoriginal anyway. ::)
I have lost 99% of my respect for you.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 05, 2010, 04:24:18 PMI have lost 99% of my respect for you.
Actually it is true, listen to the battle's against Bowser and Bowser Jr. Bowser's theme is severely based on russian folk songs, like "Volga Boat Men". Bowser Jr's theme is based on hungarian and bohemian folk songs, like from Dvorak, Liszt and Bartok.
Wow, now using styles of music that have been used before is considered plagiarism?
If you play through SMG and tell me it was 99% unoriginal, including music, and you aren't KefkaticFanatic, there is seriously something wrong with you.
Whoa, whoa, whoa now.
I never said it was "99% unoriginal". But a lot of the stuff is based off of old Mario games. Actually, it's more of SMG2 than SMG1 that's bringing these nostalgia stuff back.
Koopa's Road Music
SMB Overworld theme (however, this is a must-have)
Remixes of various songs from SMG1 into SMG2
Peach's & Bowser's lines in SMG1 have basicly been copy+pasted into just about all the Mario games after Galaxy (NSMBW, for example, "Help!" or "Maarrriooooo!" -Peach)
So, it kinda goes back and forth. :-\
Utilizing a style is different; you get many more ideas for songs when studying different styles.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 06, 2010, 07:38:26 AMand you aren't KefkaticFanatic
and please, just drop him. Forget about him. If you don't like him, then stop talking about him. -.-
I do like him. He just irritates me to the point of occasional dislike (or hate).
Also, you forgot Throwback Galaxy. :D
They did that for nostalgia, not because they're running out of ideas.
All these frickin' Nintendo DSes... running out of ideas.
Hahaha, well if you can think of a better design/platform such as the 3DS, please share ;)
No, I'm excited for it as much as the next Nintendo fanatic, but I'm just saying, they are really milking this DS thing. :)
Modern music is based off of classical all the time.
It could even be subconscious. A composer could have heard the tune at one point in time, and in their head they think of the music and just add it in along with everything else.
A ton of ZUN's compositions have little tidbits of other songs.
I'd list them, but I'm lazy.
HMM THIS SOUNDS QUITE FAMILIAR EH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZANKFxrcKU)
Quote from: KefkaticFanatic on September 06, 2010, 05:35:44 PMHMM THIS SOUNDS QUITE FAMILIAR EH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZANKFxrcKU)
What a nice song. With Kirkhope it's the same. Listen to Bizet's L'Arlesienne Suite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y09pD1r-Qs
and compare it with the Gloomy Galleon theme from DK64:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy5wZ8nla_g
Both songs are in c minor!
Also, Space Dementia by Muse is heavily based off of Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto. Matt Bellamy is influenced by a lot of classical. Part of the reason I love Muse.
Grunty's Theme is Teddy Bear's Picnic, but Kirkhope made it to awesome for the Teddy Bear's Picnic people to care.
Besides The Final Battle music in Banjo-Kazooie and Nuts & Bolts is way to epic to be considered plagiarism
Quote from: KefkaticFanatic on September 06, 2010, 03:53:17 PMIt could even be subconscious. A composer could have heard the tune at one point in time, and in their head they think of the music and just add it in along with everything else.
I've been bored and took the moment to attempt to compose. I've gone and written about 3 minutes of music and I love it. Then a little bit later, I realise I just subconsciously transcribed a song that I've had stuck in my head for a few days.
For example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leQJ025xg5s), I've halfway transcribed this song, with no intent to use its melodies. I guess it was just in my head.
Quote from: Korados on September 05, 2010, 11:46:46 AMWhen I first listended to the third movement of Erich Wolfgang Korngold's Violin Concerto I noticed a significant similarity to the
Super Mario Galaxy Main Theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vniCuX5eak
From 1:12 to 1:26 both the key sig. and the notes are the same! Only the rhythm is slightly different and the SMG Main Theme being an octave higher. From 4:44 to 5:02, there is the big reprise of that theme, just in F Major, but the orchestration with the brass section playing the melody gives the polish to concern that this theme is a plagiarism made by Koji Kondo.
Compare it to the arrangements of that theme on the site and with the "original" here, the theme also is in SMG 2, as the soundtrack is mostly made from variations of the first game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqihUzi_714 (first seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppDiC7QThkg
While searching for plagiarism, I stumbled on this post. It is old as hell but I was still compelled into creating an account just to reply to the above quote because your comment seriously bugged me. I am a music major with perfect pitch. The melody that played in the time frame you specified for the above concerto is NOT the same note nor the same key signature as the game's orchestral intro. As indicated in the video, the concerto is played on the B flat scale on 2/4 time signature, starting on the B flat note > F > E natural > C > D. In the game's title intro, after the orchestra transitions from E flat scale to B natural scale, the piano plays a B natural on the down beat of each trill. It quickly establishes a tempo, playing a melody from B > F# > C# > F# > F > C# > D#. This is all naturally resolved on a 4/4 time signature (tempo starts roughly around 136 and then plays around 144...68 and 77 respectively if it is played in cut time). The concerto's heavy fanfare begin an eighth note beat before the start of the measure on C with the first quarter note hitting F > C > B natural (dotted quarter note) > G (eighth note) > A (next measure). The game's fanfare intro is initally played on the E flat key signature in 4/4, starting with a trill to an E flat on the down beat > falling to B flat > climb to E flat > B flat on last quarter note then following with an A > F > G using 2 eight notes and dotted half respectively in the next measure.
Having said that, while it sounds quite similar (as with many other pieces of music out there these days), I would hardly classify this as plagiarism. Blatant usage of the same time signatures, key signatures, and identical note placement of a rather long passage (how long is up for argument) from an original work is what I would consider to be a problem. We're nitpicking roughly 4 measures of similarity that completely diverges from one another very quickly which hardly amounts to much plagiarism. There are worse examples out there.
Edit: Fixed Typo (I hate being a perfectionist sometimes ~.~)
Thank you, this has been bugging me night and day/sarcasm
Quote from: Olimar12345 on October 10, 2012, 07:05:57 AMThank you, this has been bugging me night and day/sarcasm
lulz. Apologies for bumping a necro topic, indeed. But I'll definitely bite at any possible opportunity to correct a poor trained ear like this if it came off as fact if I see it XD
I heard read somewhere that if a piece is still around for X-hundred (or so) number of years after the composer's demise, the copyrights are removed. (Unless renewed by an alternate source)
*Replace X with an approximate number that I've forgotten after all this time
Everfrost Peak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMynY_klOGg) from Diddy Kong Racing is actually a spanish folk song. Lyrics and all. (Remixed by David Wise)
My spanish mother's forgotten it though..
*^Ever gotten star-power in super mario land? :J
No..... Why? Would I know it?
EDIT: Oh.. Oh, ah.. Ah. Yes. The can can... I thought about learning that on piano at one time...