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Title: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Concerto No.20 in D minor on March 29, 2008, 12:33:19 PM
Welcome to the Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments Topic!  Yay!

Rules:
Players will be put into brackets, just like a tournament.  So depending on how many people we get, will depend on who plays who.

This will be a best 2 out of 3 tournament, where the loser will drop out, and the winner will go on.

Match One: The first match will be held on Battlefield.  No items, a three minute battle, no stock.
Match Two:  The second match will be held on Final Destination.  ALL items on low, a three minute battle, no stock.
Match Three:  If necessary, there will be a third and final match.  The two opponents will choose the level they listed below as their favorite, and the compter will choose one of the levels to play on (50/50 % chance).  Smash Balls will be set on low and it will be a three minute battle, no stock.

On Saturday, at 16:45 GMT, (10:45 am Western Coast, 12:45 pm Eastern Coast) we will meet in the NSM Chat room http://www.ninsheetmusic.net/chat (http://www.ninsheetmusic.net/chat).  From there we will have the first round matches at 17:00 GMT and we will all meet back in the chat to tell each other who won.  That should take approx. 10 minutes.  The second round will start at 17:20 GMT, we will have matches, meet back, 3rd round 17:40 GMT, matches then chat, then finally the final two will have their match at 18:00 GMT.  The losers are free to leave chat after their rounds are over.  THOSE WHO DO NOT SHOW UP BY 17:00 GMT WILL FORFEIT.  To make sure you know, what time it is, use this handy time thingy.

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

Select "Use The Following Date/Time:" and Enter, April 6, 2008 and for the time enter 17:00, 24-hour clock.  Then in the first box, select GMT, then in the second box, select the appropriate time zone for your area.

HAVE FUN

OKAY HERE WE GO!  We've got 16 cool people who signed up, here is the bracket!
http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=271216 (http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=271216)
Cool People:
1) Concerto_1891 0850 1661_Pit_Wario Ware Inc.
2) HugoMeister_1075 0668 2898_Pokémon Trainer_Spear Pillar
3) Silence of Darkness_3437 2859 6914_Ike_Pirate Ship
4) ZnD_1032 1182 8068_Toon Link_Battlefield
5) bbalcrazy92_1934 0197 7733_Ike_Battlefield
6) Akiro_0602 6029 5172_Toon Link_Hyrule Temple
7) Ninja_2062 8833 1652_Ike_Battlefield
8.) Dude_0559 6436 5290_Kirby_Temple
9) MetroidHunter26_1633 3899 7290_Samus/Zero Suit Samus_Spear Pillar
10) razer84_2148 7818 6548_Marth_Delfino Plaza
11) Shadoninja_4553 9648 9989_R.O.B._Yoshi's Island
12) blah54_0387 8480 6829_Zelda/Sheik_Smashville
13) pumpy_heart_2492 3827 1114_Ice Climbers_Frigate Orpheon
14) The Mindzeye_0087 1988 0051_Snake_Shadow Moses Island
15) Gamer4250_3652 0203 8636_Kirby_Temple
16) ZeldaFan_private_Zelda/Sheik_Spear Pillar
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on March 29, 2008, 02:39:29 PM
HugoMeister: I'll use Hugo as my Wi-Fi name.

SSBB: 1075 0668 2898

Character: Pokémon Trainer

Favorite Stage: Spear Pillar

Time Zone: Eastern -5 GMT

SD Card: Yes

I'll add everyone's code whenever you post.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shiny Boy on March 29, 2008, 03:27:47 PM
Silence of Darkness: ALDER is my Wi-Fi name.
Code: 3437 2859 6914
Character: Ike
Stage: Pirate Ship
SD Status: I have one, but it's pretty small.
Time Zone: (GMT-09:00) Alaska.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on March 30, 2008, 01:43:44 PM
Ok just for the record, these are a list of really laggy stages:

Final Destination
PictoChat :(
Green Hill Zone
Temple

I'll add more when I find out what some more are.

...And I'll add my stuff later also.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on March 30, 2008, 01:48:21 PM
Or maybe it's just us. Or you. (:p) I've no problem playing vs shado, gamer etc.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on March 30, 2008, 01:51:48 PM
Well PictoChat has been sucking (lagging) ;D every time I'm on it.

So I can't play on it anymore :'(
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on March 30, 2008, 02:14:01 PM
I haven't experienced lag yet. :P

Brawl's been perfectly fine for me.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: bbalcrazy92 on March 30, 2008, 04:02:17 PM
code 1934-0197-7733

stage- battlefield

character-ike
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Concerto No.20 in D minor on March 30, 2008, 04:16:30 PM
Updated top post, please read.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Akiro on March 30, 2008, 04:28:46 PM
DROPPED OUT
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Ninja on March 30, 2008, 05:20:19 PM
Hey, I'll join!  ;D
I'm new here, some of you may have seen me in chat before as "Jebus".
I'm a friend of Hugo's from school ;D

Name: Ninja
FC:2062-8833-1652
Character: Ike
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Frlk89.com%2Fgameinfluence%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F08%2Fike.JPG&hash=339f6508efccdf038dda4886e275e57c375808b9)
Stage: Battlefield
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smashbros.com%2Fen_us%2Fstages%2Fimages%2Fstage01%2Fstage01_070522a-l.jpg&hash=0f7cac750b4e19306680fc50e4b59a734345599f)
SD Card: No
Time Zone: Eastern -5 GMT
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on March 30, 2008, 05:24:34 PM
Zomg I know you.  ;D
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Ninja on March 30, 2008, 05:30:51 PM
Hi Hugo!  ;D
I decided to register myself, mainly because I didn't want to use Meta Knight like I told you when I asked you to register me, Lol.  I just completely pwned as Ike online, I won by about 7 points, 4 games in a row.  ;D 
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on March 30, 2008, 07:07:03 PM
Name: Dude
FC: 0559-6436-5290
Character: Kirby!
Stage: PictoChat
TZ: -5 GMT (I think)
SD: No

(Happy now Concerto?)

Edited...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on March 30, 2008, 07:19:34 PM
I would love to join!

Name:MH26
FC:1633-3899-7290
Character:SAMUS!/Zero Suit Samus
(As if anyone hadn't guessed)
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smashbros.com%2Fen_us%2Fcharacters%2Fimages%2Fsamus%2Fsamus.jpg&hash=34271af910992acf5f9c37b81a5761267be1a297)(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smashbros.com%2Fen_us%2Fcharacters%2Fimages%2Fzerosuit_samus%2Fzerosuit_samus.jpg&hash=e919005d4ebdf3da942122d543477ed0d913fa34)
Stage:Spear Pillar
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smashbros.com%2Fen_us%2Fstages%2Fimages%2Fstage29%2Fstage29_080229a-l.jpg&hash=642cf2efc6969ee8f29f9506b2778fc7841251a2)
Time Zone: GMT -7:00 Mountain Time.

SD: Yes!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: razer84 on March 31, 2008, 03:45:55 AM
sign me up!

razer84 online name: RAZER
friend code: SSBB: 2148-7818-6548
favorite character: Marth
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smashbros.com%2Fen_us%2Fcharacters%2Fimages%2Fhidden02%2Fhidden02.jpg&hash=15343ad69111b71d69f61e1d5eb2c4b668f6aaeb)
Stage: Delfino Plaza
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smashbros.com%2Fen_us%2Fstages%2Fimages%2Fstage02%2Fstage02_070601a-l.jpg&hash=024508ee336bbc391050cff3a4d4bfc03d845f38)
Time zone: Eastern Coast Time (-5 from forum time)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shadoninja on March 31, 2008, 04:19:56 PM
Shadoninja
4553 9648 9989
R.O.B
Yoshi's Island
-5 Gmt
Yes I have SD's
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: blah54 on March 31, 2008, 04:40:26 PM
blah54
FC: 0387-8480-6829
Character: Zelda/Sheik
Smashville
Time Zone: -5GMT

Question: What are we going to do about lag? Just leave it? And what about D/Cs?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 01, 2008, 12:54:24 AM
My thoughts:

Lag - Rematch within 2 minutes (if necessary). If it's been 2 minutes and you're leading, you don't want a rematch. Do you?

Disconnects - Rematch within 2 minutes if no one's leading. Or else it could be cheating.

But it's up to Concerto to decide.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: pumpy_heart on April 01, 2008, 05:15:32 PM
WTF! I never saw this.
Friend Code is 2492 3827 1114
I'll claim Ice Climbers.
Prolly the Orpheon thingy.
Central Time (-6 Me thinks.)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: The Mindzeye on April 01, 2008, 08:13:54 PM
Name: The Mindzeye
Brawl Alias: Coins
FC:0087-1988-0051
Character:Snake
Stage:Shadow Moses Island
Time:GMT -8 Pacific
SD:yes
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 01, 2008, 10:01:54 PM
Name: Gamer4250
FC: 3652 0203 8636
Character: Kirby
Stage: Temple (None of the Brawl Stages are that good :-/)
Time Zone: PST -8 (I think its -8, but PST for sure :P)
SD: Yes

I un-join if we do anything close to a Final Destination, no item tournament.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 01, 2008, 10:02:59 PM
Quote from: ZnD on April 01, 2008, 12:54:24 AMMy thoughts:

Lag - Rematch within 2 minutes (if necessary). If it's been 2 minutes and you're leading, you don't want a rematch. Do you?

Disconnects - Rematch within 2 minutes if no one's leading. Or else it could be cheating.

But it's up to Concerto to decide.

Heh, if we have those rules for lags, then we'll be redoing every match :D

You just have to deal with it, thats what you get with Nintendo online.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 02, 2008, 01:10:17 AM
Quote from: gamer4251 on April 01, 2008, 10:02:59 PMHeh, if we have those rules for lags, then we'll be redoing every match :D
Yeah. You're one of the worst laggers I've ever seen.

Quote from: gamer4251 on April 01, 2008, 10:02:59 PMYou just have to deal with it, thats what you get with Nintendo online.
You can't deal with a "one frame per second lag".

__________

Only 15 cool people?  Come on!  EVERYONE WHO HAS BRAWL SHOULD JOIN THE FUN! The limit for people to join is 16.  And hopefully we reach that. Almost there!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 02, 2008, 07:06:20 AM
Well, maybe its because I'm the furthest away from you out of everyone from NSM :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 02, 2008, 07:49:39 AM
Really? Where in the US do you live?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 02, 2008, 07:53:14 AM
West coast, for the trillionth time ;)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 02, 2008, 07:54:46 AM
Ahh...
...  :(
Quote from: gamer4251 on April 01, 2008, 10:01:54 PMI un-join if we do anything close to a Final Destination, no item tournament.
Haha. Fair gaming is the best. Final Destionation/Battlefield w/o items.  ;D
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 02, 2008, 11:25:01 AM
Ah, I just noticed the rules.

I leave the tournament as we're playing the unskilled, "professional" way which is simply just for the people that aren't good enough to know how to use a stage or items to their advantage. Guess I'll just have to own you all with normal matches.

Not that I'm against turning off the idiotic items like the clock, which just slows everyone including the one who got it down for massive annoyance.

I consider a real tournament that would have fair matches that rely on your skill to include items and stages that make sense to include, as someone with TRUE skill would know how to deal with all kinds of different situations with items and stage hazards.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: razer84 on April 02, 2008, 12:18:13 PM
i agree with what gamer said, but i'll still be in the tournament.

we should play on the stages that we selected and there should be items, ATs and Poke Balls.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 02, 2008, 12:21:42 PM
Well another reason I won't do it is that I probably won't have time and just not show up :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shadoninja on April 02, 2008, 01:24:46 PM
I'm in for the fun. not for the competition.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 02, 2008, 02:13:48 PM
I'm up for both.
Twice the fun.  :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Akiro on April 02, 2008, 03:16:49 PM
Certian items shouldn't be allowed like the hammer or golden hammer.

Most other items you can catch if a person throws it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 02, 2008, 05:59:25 PM
No items = no fun, the point of brawl is to be awesome chaotic fun, isn't it?  You can turn off the golden hammer, but the normal hammer is fine.  Other items to be turned off: Clock that annoys the hell out of me because when I grab it it slows down me as well as everyone, and the Lightning which shrinks you when you grab it or makes everyone else bigger over half the time >:(
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 02, 2008, 06:05:51 PM
Don't forget the gay smoke bomb. If we're getting rid of the lightning, then get rid of the item that sucks the most.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Akiro on April 02, 2008, 06:07:04 PM
What? Gay smoke bomb?  It's hardly even a bomb, it's actually fun to screw around with.

Besides, you can catch it or use shield.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 02, 2008, 06:08:58 PM
Smoke Bomb = wtf
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shadoninja on April 02, 2008, 06:14:24 PM
or use it as cover.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 02, 2008, 06:15:14 PM
The smoke bomb is awesome! I think in one of the matches with Shado, ZnD, and I, we had this huge clump of them from either Tingle or my Final smash that completely covered the stage, it was awesome fun.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 02, 2008, 06:21:31 PM
Eh. Think what you want. I hate the smoke bomb, but I like Lightning and Clocks.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Concerto No.20 in D minor on April 02, 2008, 11:01:09 PM
Since everyone wants items, I will put some in.us
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 03, 2008, 02:53:41 AM
But hammers or stars!
=[
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shiny Boy on April 03, 2008, 08:02:35 AM
Suggestions for items:
Smash Ball
Dragoon Piece
Poke Ball
Assist Trophy
Smart Bomb
Gooey Bomb
Smoke Ball
Maybe Green Shell and Beam Sword.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 03, 2008, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: Concerto No.20 in D minor on April 02, 2008, 11:01:09 PMSince everyone wants items, I will put some in.us

Heh, I can tell you posted from your Wii :P

I'd say we can keep all items except maybe the star, clock, and lightning, but maybe we could have ALL items.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 03, 2008, 01:13:53 PM
I changed my mind.
Everything or nothing!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Concerto No.20 in D minor on April 03, 2008, 01:17:49 PM
OKAY!  All the slots have been filled, and we are ready for our tournament!  Please read the updated rules and be read for a fun filled saturday!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: razer84 on April 03, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
Quote from: Concerto No.20 in D minor on April 03, 2008, 01:17:49 PMOKAY!  All the slots have been filled, and we are ready for our tournament!  Please read the updated rules and be read for a fun filled saturday!

awesome!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 03, 2008, 01:35:45 PM
I'm guessing that ZeldaFan is only giving her code to the people she's fighting?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: blah54 on April 03, 2008, 01:36:19 PM
personally, i disagree to having have items on... but since that's obviously not going to change, i think we should at least change it from time battles to stock... time battles are already wrecked anyways, the self-destruct system is wrecked (i don't know if you guys know this)...

for example: let's say i hit my opponent at the very beginning of the match, promptly after, my opponent comboes me off to the side... while attempting to edgeguard me, he suicides... normally this would just result in a -1 point for him, but with the NEW system in brawl, he will still get -1 point, but I WILL GET +1 point, even though i had nothing to do with that suicide...

items are another problem all-together, especially in 1v1 because whoever gets the item first has an immediate advantage but again to repeat myself, despite my dislike for having them and my desire to have them removed, i'm not asking for them to be removed... but items + time matches = bad,  it really should be stock matches with items, or time with no items...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 03, 2008, 01:38:56 PM
Time matches aren't good for a 1v1 match, so stock should be used.  Items though, you don't get an advantage unless the other person doesn't know how to use/deflect items, which is the whole point of using them in my opinion.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: blah54 on April 03, 2008, 01:51:52 PM
here are some examples:
example: pokeball

grab the pokeball, throw it straight down (most people who know how to use them would do this as it can't be caught)... you now have to dodge the pokemon + the opponent, advantage gained, and nothing could be done to stop it save instantly killing your opponent...

example 2: assist trophy

grab and use (you don't even throw this one) and the advantage is gained...

example 3: hammer/golden hammer

grab, and chase opponent, given the stage selections (battlefield, final destination), these items are lethal (especially in the hands of someone who knows how to use them) because there is no where to run...

example 4: lightning

grab, BOOM. you're small, no way to block this one, and now you get knocked away further and have less range

example 5: star (self-explanatory)

these are some examples of how items can change the battle quickly, with little to do with how well you were doing in the match prior to the grabbing of the item... if these were 4 person matches, then by all means, items would be great, but for 1v1, they create too many advantages based off luck...

i'm just explaining how items are not "fair" , i'm not saying that it is a bad/wrong thing to include them in the tournament and how they will change the tide of the matches easily (especially because the items are set on low, the rarity increases the amount of the effect it will have on the match)...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 03, 2008, 01:57:00 PM
No items?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 03, 2008, 02:10:16 PM
With items on low, there is a rare chance that you'll get a pokemon or a assist trophy good enough to cause a KO.  The hammer has its head fall off half the time, which is an instant kill when thrown, but the golden hammer is just ridiculous and should be turned off.  Lightining is fine to stay, as when you grab it 3 things can happen, either a) Your opponent shrinks, b) You shrink, or c) Your opponent grows (wtf).  The star should be removed, as invincibility isn't the fairest advantage.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: pumpy_heart on April 03, 2008, 02:28:14 PM
The rules have been set.
I guess if you don't like them, you could drop out...
Anyone going to take the offer?
Ok. Tournament goes on!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 03, 2008, 02:30:18 PM
Hum, well I hope I can remember to wake up by then on Saturday, prepare to be doomed Hugo!

:D
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Concerto No.20 in D minor on April 03, 2008, 04:00:38 PM
Yeah, we're keeping the rules how they are, and if it turns out fine then we will have the next tourny like that.  If not, then we will change them.  I'm hoping to do a tournament every month or so.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: blah54 on April 03, 2008, 04:11:36 PM
shoot... it's this saturday? i may have to drop out, i have to go to a funeral for my great-uncle...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 03, 2008, 04:41:44 PM
Quote from: gamer4251prepare to be doomed Hugo!

You wish. ::)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: razer84 on April 03, 2008, 04:48:43 PM
is a coincidence that i'm the only Marth and i'm fighting Ike? did we get matched by out characters or something?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on April 03, 2008, 04:51:15 PM
So I'm against dude huh? well can't wait till saturday!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on April 03, 2008, 06:08:15 PM
I Added everyone (except ZeldaFan) so if you already havn't added me then just look at my sig or the first post!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 04, 2008, 05:31:25 AM
Quote from: MetroidHunter26 on April 03, 2008, 04:51:15 PMSo I'm against dude huh? well can't wait till saturday!
I still need to add you but I'm feeling lazy atm... And because I'm not even home :P
School sucks T_T

EDIT: I'm confused... Is it items or no items?

EDIT2: Can you change my stage to Pictochat?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Akiro on April 04, 2008, 06:26:00 AM
It doesn't really matter what stage you picked on here, you could just pick a different one when you play, but that's only on the 3rd match  :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 04, 2008, 06:27:07 AM
...The rules are too strict

Are we having items or not?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 04, 2008, 06:39:53 AM
Smash Balls only. I think.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shiny Boy on April 04, 2008, 07:49:30 AM
Ok, Mindzye, it is officially ON.
I think this starts at 8:00 A.M. for me. I'll probably get up early and warm up a bit.
So who all do I need to add?
EDIT: Problem...Chat makes both Internet Explorer and Mozilla Firefox fail on my computer. I guess I have to delegate that duty to my tournament partners.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: SuMa on April 04, 2008, 10:44:41 AM
No items... Real men use their FIST
Gays use Items. Gaylords use Smash balls (Only correct if used in tournaments^^)
Oh and another thing I wanted to add :
When a Toon Link player does a combo do NOT say ''Nice'' or ''Nice one'' or ''Awesome''
Because its hella easy to own with Toon Link, hella easy im tellin ya

Every damn combo is so damn easy for Toon Link his Neutral Airial (A in the Air) is hax because it hits twice, is really strong, and really fast, AND has priority (for those who dont know the words : Priority defines the chance of the attack being canceled by another attack) and has LOTS of Range coz of the sword for Both sides (wtf so damn easy to do a combo)

Im thinkin hes gonna be banned in tournaments sooner or later (Im trusted member of the smash community.. professional in melee and stuff so I know alot about this stuff)

Theres a Tier list showcasing the best and worst characters with all possible critics for the character, in Melee there is : Top Tier (in Brawl : Toon Link and Meta Knight) , High Tier (Example : I dunno maybe Olimar and Wario), Middle Tier ( Mario, Falcon, Kirby ), Low Tier (Ganondorf probably) and last but... well LEAST Bottom Tier (very very bad Characters... maybe Ike??? I dunno)
So the List aint finished yet and they are decided by Professionals (Maybe you guys know Gimpyfish?) who participate in real Big Tournaments and discuss all Characters together

Just so you guys know some important facts^^ Im not saying ''Im better than you guys!!! HAHA'' I just had luck my friend told me lots about Pro Techniques in Melee and so I started to love smash even more and got a good place in the International Smash Community and stuff bla bla
Happy Smashing!!!!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 04, 2008, 11:24:28 AM
Aha! One of the unskilled idiots that always loses with items because they're only good at button mashing!  The only thing that makes your kind good is the memorization of combos, not the actual skill in all parts of the game!  Bannination is neccesary!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 04, 2008, 12:03:28 PM
I still say we should have at least Low items... :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 04, 2008, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: ConcertoALL items on low, a three minute battle, no stock.

...

Its even low smash balls on the last one :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: razer84 on April 04, 2008, 12:39:05 PM
my god, it's a freaking game people! why are you all arguing/obsessing over this? we all have opinions and whatnot, but seriously... it's getting kinda old.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 04, 2008, 12:49:41 PM
Quote from: gamer4251 on April 04, 2008, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: ConcertoALL items on low, a three minute battle, no stock.
...

Its even low smash balls on the last one :P
But that's only for match 2 :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: SuMa on April 04, 2008, 01:14:16 PM
Well actually Items are in TOURNAMENTS not allowed
Think about it people
Youre Marth and its the Finals, you get a Smash ball since Marth is a fast character and every idiot knows that Marths Ultra Smash can kill at 0% and is very fast and easy to hit.

@gamer : What the hell are you talkin about? Sounds like noob talk if you ask me... you cant BUTTON SMASH in ssbm or ssbb youll get pwnd
Anyway you cant ''memorize'' combos, this is NOT TEKKEN or Soul Calibur this is Smash, maybe you dont know.

Like I said... playing with items isnt really fair^^ Skill and Combos should decide the game, not luck on where the Items apear
AS IS SAID : This is Smash, not Tekken, you cant Button Smash. Every Smart person would know what I mean...
I knew some would critisize me, but THAT argument was so mindless =/, gamer... ''button smashing'' in brawl... yeah ...right

And yeah : Its a game, play with Items do what you want
But actually in real Tournaments its about Money so you shouldnt let Items decide its dangerous and a matter of luck.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: blah54 on April 04, 2008, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: SuMa on April 04, 2008, 10:44:41 AMTheres a Tier list showcasing the best and worst characters with all possible critics for the character, in Melee there is : Top Tier (in Brawl : Toon Link and Meta Knight) , High Tier (Example : I dunno maybe Olimar and Wario), Middle Tier ( Mario, Falcon, Kirby ), Low Tier (Ganondorf probably) and last but... well LEAST Bottom Tier (very very bad Characters... maybe Ike??? I dunno)
So the List aint finished yet and they are decided by Professionals (Maybe you guys know Gimpyfish?) who participate in real Big Tournaments and discuss all Characters together

you are incredibly out of date if you believe that ike is bottom tier, or a bad character... he is in the top half of the cast of brawl characters...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: SuMa on April 04, 2008, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: blah54 on April 04, 2008, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: SuMa on April 04, 2008, 10:44:41 AMTheres a Tier list showcasing the best and worst characters with all possible critics for the character, in Melee there is : Top Tier (in Brawl : Toon Link and Meta Knight) , High Tier (Example : I dunno maybe Olimar and Wario), Middle Tier ( Mario, Falcon, Kirby ), Low Tier (Ganondorf probably) and last but... well LEAST Bottom Tier (very very bad Characters... maybe Ike??? I dunno)
So the List aint finished yet and they are decided by Professionals (Maybe you guys know Gimpyfish?) who participate in real Big Tournaments and discuss all Characters together

you are incredibly out of date if you believe that ike is bottom tier, or a bad character... he is in the top half of the cast of brawl characters...
It was an example... how can someone take that so serious O_o Youre picky arentcha
And I DID say ''I dunno'' so it was clear that I wasnt sure! Seriously whats wrong here read carefull before you post
Ill sum up : I was thinking about the real tournaments where you win money and stuff and thats why its fatal to lose just coz the lucky opponent has a Smash Ball or a HAX Item like that Bazooka
And no items DOESNT MEAN no fun, there are several interesting combos and that awesome
(for me atleast... with Mario.. oh yeah...)
So if its just a tournament where nobody cares about who wins, and stuff coz its not really a matter of skill when Items are on...

BUT!!! If its on low then the importance of Skill and Combos increases of course.. I just think its way better without Items^^
I hope you guys understand me better NOW xD
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 04, 2008, 02:24:15 PM
Quote from: SuMa on April 04, 2008, 01:17:20 PMIll sum up : I was thinking about the real tournaments where you win money and stuff and thats why its fatal to lose just coz the lucky opponent has a Smash Ball or a HAX Item like that Bazooka
You mean the Cracker Launcher? It's not a hack. :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: SuMa on April 04, 2008, 02:48:04 PM
Its hax when you aim and hit him in the air every time xD
Trust me I know what Im talking about... I got blaster in the air with 5 shots and I blasted my friends in the air with 5 shots...
I mean you can aim it with that new addition and when you can move AND aim and jump at the same time... its hax alright^^
But its fun I geuss^^ You just shouldnt say ''Im better than you haha'' when winning coz its like.. well items
BUT!!! Like I said AGAIN xD if its Low then the importance of the Skill and Combos increases ofcourse

Marths Ultra Smash is hax though... it kills your opponent at 0%... pretty damn unfair^^
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shadoninja on April 04, 2008, 02:49:13 PM
but it can be perfect shielded.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Akiro on April 04, 2008, 02:53:51 PM
Screw it, I'm dropping out.

My wi-fi connector still doesn't work and I don't want to wake up early on Saturday just to play a video game.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Concerto No.20 in D minor on April 04, 2008, 03:19:42 PM
Wow, SuMa, if you have complaints about brawl, post it in the BRAWL topic, kk?  And sorry to hear that Akiro, hope you'll make it to the next tournament.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 04, 2008, 05:15:31 PM
Concerto: You did your math wrong. There's 4 rounds...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 04, 2008, 06:22:50 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I CANT GET ON CHAT! I CANT EVEN ACCESS MY INTERNET FROM MY COMPUTER! I HAVE TO USE MY WII TO EVEN GET ON! HOW AM I GOING TO BE IN THE TOURNAMENT?!?!

D: D: D: D:
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: blah54 on April 04, 2008, 07:06:52 PM
yep sorry... i can't play in the tourney either... i have to go to my great-uncles funeral...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 04, 2008, 07:15:55 PM
Well lucky you shado, whoever is playing brawl and me :D
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shadoninja on April 04, 2008, 07:21:06 PM
me and bbal might as well fight first.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 04, 2008, 07:42:27 PM
Heh... :-\
Well I guess i might have to forfeit because my mom wants to go fabric shopping down in Columbus... :(
I would rather shoot myself but... :P
I'll see what I can do. I might be there but don't count on it :'(
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 04, 2008, 08:09:07 PM
Hey buddy, I never said I wouldn't try. :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: The-Real-Link on April 05, 2008, 06:30:55 AM
I would've signed up, but chat doesn't work for me :(
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: razer84 on April 05, 2008, 06:44:54 AM
i might not be able to play, it depends on when i get back from... i don't even know where we're going today. so don't cross me off the list, but just be warned.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 05, 2008, 07:36:49 AM
Lol I think I can make it now...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shiny Boy on April 05, 2008, 08:31:56 AM
The tournament starts in about half an hour, right?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shiny Boy on April 05, 2008, 08:52:05 AM
HELP. Chat causes massive internet FAILURE. I need another way to communicate.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 05, 2008, 08:55:05 AM
Do you not have java? And did you try chatzilla? And do you have firefox?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shiny Boy on April 05, 2008, 08:57:05 AM
Firefox yes. Chatzilla no. I think I have Java...
I've never actually *seen* the chat page, it's been blank before seizing.
Can someone at least tell me when the tourney starts?
EDIT: Chatzilla fails too. It times out before it loads.
Do I have to drop out of the tournament? I need input!
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Dude on April 05, 2008, 09:51:06 AM
Concerto, you suck at making time rules... I have no idea when it is anymore. T_T
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on April 05, 2008, 10:44:36 AM
I have to Drop Out T____T I have to go to the fricken store with meh parents *HUGE SIGH*  :P WE should realy plan this VERY Thourghly
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 05, 2008, 10:46:49 AM
You fail Erich.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 05, 2008, 10:51:05 AM
Silence, I dunno if you can do anything :/
I'll tell concerto when he comes that you cant get on, maybe he cant talk by pm
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 05, 2008, 10:56:23 AM
How's this:

Instead of dedicating a day to the tourny, why not make it a "long term" kinda thing.

Have anyone who wishes to participate sign up. Then create a bracket. The two individuals who are to Brawl decide on when they can do the matches. Once they do that, they post or PM concerto stating who won; the brackets are updated. Sure, it would take longer, but atleast this way everyone gets a chance to be in it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on April 05, 2008, 11:00:21 AM
Quote from: HugoMeister on April 05, 2008, 10:56:23 AMHow's this:

Instead of dedicating a day to the tourny, why not make it a "long term" kinda thing.

Have anyone who wishes to participate sign up. Then create a bracket. The two individuals who are to Brawl decide on when they can do the matches. Once they do that, they post or PM concerto stating who won; the brackets are updated. Sure, it would take longer, but atleast this way everyone gets a chance to be in it.

Super LONG TOURNEMENT BRAWL! I think that's the best way of doing it (Probably the only way) or is it?!?! :o What if We get everyones FC and then start the tournement now and use the bracket thing (Players will have to wait for there opponent or make a new bracket or something) so if one person is going somewhere (LIKE ME! XP) then the guy can wait or play other people then I'll play the less fortinate people who lost and get to the finals or something. You know kinda like that?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 05, 2008, 11:55:14 AM
Yeah, the chat room was HORRIBLE because of the tournament. Eveyone kept asking questions and yelling who won, Concerto had a hard time keeping track, and it basically gave you siezures if you looked at it for too long.

The long term tourny is the only way to do it, otherwise all hell will break loose....again.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 05, 2008, 12:04:40 PM
The long tourney is a terrible idea as it would take much too long, we just need to NOT meet in the chatroom, and have a better way of communicating whats going on.  We just need to organize it better.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on April 05, 2008, 02:54:28 PM
Mabey we should take this on a larger scale...

mabey we should all meet somewhere and bring wii's like an actual toruney? No?
Mabey the members who live somewhere close to eachother decide to make factions and those factions will do the a tourney and the winners of those factions could in turn fight the winners from the other ones? No? I don't know >__> (BTW I'm back)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: razer84 on April 05, 2008, 03:56:35 PM
Quote from: MetroidHunter26 on April 05, 2008, 02:54:28 PMMabey we should take this on a larger scale...

mabey we should all meet somewhere and bring wii's like an actual toruney? No?
Mabey the members who live somewhere close to eachother decide to make factions and those factions will do the a tourney and the winners of those factions could in turn fight the winners from the other ones? No? I don't know >__> (BTW I'm back)

no.

what we need to do is make it a one-day long tourney. first you fight against someone in your time zone in the morning (PM then when you are ready and work out the exact time between yourselves). then the next match n the bracket will be as close to your time zone as possible. finals will take place in the afternoon/evening and then the winner will be decided after that.

today was kinda screwy, but we could learn what to improve upon from it.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: ZnD on April 05, 2008, 04:00:34 PM
I almost won!  ;D
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shadoninja on April 06, 2008, 07:42:28 AM
we need to do stock matches next time, so cowards don't run away last second.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on April 06, 2008, 09:13:20 AM
When I say "long term" I don't mean it will take a month or something, maybe a few days at most. Just enough time for everyone to get a chance to play. This "one day" thing was working fine until the night before the tourney; we lost 4 people. (I think)

Instead of rushing through the next tourney in a matter of hours, slow down and relax.

Look at sports:

Does everybody play everybody else in one day and then determine a winner? No. They play a few matches a day until the winners of their division (or whatever) play the other winners. Well, seeing as we only have like 15-20 who would join, I don't see a need for divisions.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shiny Boy on April 06, 2008, 10:27:37 AM
That's why I had to drop out...they went too fast and I had no way to communicate.
I even warmed up with The Mindzeye for a little while.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 06, 2008, 06:20:16 PM
Quote from: Shadoninja on April 06, 2008, 07:42:28 AMwe need to do stock matches next time, so cowards don't run away last second.
teehee, me.

But yeah, time matches are only good for a 3 or 4 person match.  (I've gotten 10 kills one match and still lost because it was a stock match, the most somebody else had was 5 :|)

The only reason we lost so many people and it was so chaotic is because of the setup, and the little time before the tournament date.  You should set the day at least a week in advance so people have time to plan, and give us more than 1 hour for the actual tournament to go on.  Maybe an hour per round, so people have plenty of time to figure out when to do matches and stuff.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: blah54 on April 06, 2008, 06:48:16 PM
ok... looks like a missed a lot on what happened in the tourney... who won the tournament? or is it not finished?

and i also agree to the stock matches thing 100%.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on April 06, 2008, 07:35:09 PM
Heh, nobody announced it and the bracket doesn't tell us, who knows?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: The Mindzeye on April 06, 2008, 10:12:29 PM
I won ;)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: starpikachu on April 29, 2008, 07:55:14 PM
grr, I created an account too late (4/23/08) :'(
someone let me know if there is another tourney ;D
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Shadoninja on April 30, 2008, 03:25:57 PM
if you want a brawl tourney, you should check out NoobToob's King of the Hill Weekly tourney they have.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: someone on May 28, 2008, 05:54:33 PM
When is this and how can I join?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: starpikachu on May 28, 2008, 10:30:30 PM
too late. it's over.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Brawler4Ever on May 30, 2008, 03:52:43 PM
Nice.  :P
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Concerto No.20 in D minor on June 02, 2008, 08:54:58 PM
Yeah I don't know if we'll do another one anytime soon either.  Seeing as how laggy brawl is online. >_>
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: starpikachu on June 03, 2008, 03:42:09 PM
I don't know why you people keep complaining about Brawl's online play. It works fine for me. 'v :-\ v'
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: HugoMeister on June 03, 2008, 06:22:13 PM
Yeah, me too. I usually never have lag. Maybe once or twice, but thats been it for me.  8)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on June 12, 2008, 09:15:06 PM
Obviously you either only play with people that are in the same city, or you're somehow lucky enough to get local matches doing random ones.

MY SPEEDS ARE BEAST SO IT ISN'T MY CONNECTION.

SEE FOR YOURSELF.

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedtest.net%2Fresult%2F283403775.png&hash=61522d34a48dfca9823ca3db1eeb6f6698b1c282) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedtest.net%2Fresult%2F283404252.png&hash=155ed3c05cbbffbdb446ffbedafb4cb5c7d457ae) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.speedtest.net%2Fresult%2F283404531.png&hash=a9df29ffbcbd754aa937e55cd6f5cbcbbc6742e9) (http://www.speedtest.net)

If I can get that fast in Tokyo then I shouldn't be having any problems with you guys, yes?  (My point is, Nintendo sucks massively with their servers and all)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: scooterulez on June 12, 2008, 10:13:31 PM
I really don't care if it lags, I just play.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: starpikachu on June 14, 2008, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: scooterulez on June 12, 2008, 10:13:31 PMI really don't care if it lags, I just play.
What he said. :P It does lag for me occasionally, but I don't mind. I just want to play. 8)
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: blah54 on June 14, 2008, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: Gamer4250 on June 12, 2008, 09:15:06 PMIf I can get that fast in Tokyo then I shouldn't be having any problems with you guys, yes?  (My point is, Nintendo sucks massively with their servers and all)

i dont even think nintendo has proper servers set up at all... cause when ive played with friends (who are in the same city mine you) and its lagged... it's lagged for all of us, not just one person like it would in most normal servers... so i think that it's like a server created by your own wii or something which is incredibly stupid...

however when it doesnt lag online it is enjoyable...
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on June 14, 2008, 12:07:43 PM
The problem is that Nintendo has terrible servers that you connect to for their online service, ones that can't stand having people across a country or a large amount of people.  And I forgot to mention that those are my speeds on a wireless connection in which the router is on another floor.  My wii is in the same room as the router, so hypothetically it should be faster.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: The Mindzeye on June 23, 2008, 02:19:47 PM
Does anyone here even play this game online anymore?
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: KefkaticFanatic on June 23, 2008, 02:34:47 PM
like 3 people.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: MetroidHunter26 on June 23, 2008, 03:57:47 PM
I don't anymore >__> I prefer laughing at my oponents face and such.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: starpikachu on June 23, 2008, 06:58:14 PM
My brothers hog the game too much now, so I can't.
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: generalmayo on July 10, 2008, 06:22:59 PM
man i wish i could play for a little more with brawl.....i'm borrowing it so........... :'(
Title: Re: Super Smash Brothers Brawl Tournaments!
Post by: Concerto No.20 in D minor on July 19, 2008, 08:31:48 PM
Brawl online sucks, as such this topic is dismissed.