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TWG XIV: Perils of Saffron
It is present day, in Kanto (Saffron City). Pokemon Trainers everywhere live in fear. Team Rocket has made the biggest, scariest, and gravest comeback in history. Even worse, Team Rocket has infiltrated Saffron City in the hopes of stealing Pokemon and then murdering the Pokemons' Trainers. There are Team Rocket members living in the town, but none of the Pokemon Trainers know who to trust and who to report as they look just like an average Pokemon Trainer. Trainers are GREEN, Rockets are RED.

There is also a Copycat Girl who likes to mimic people, and discovers a lot about a person by doing so, even discovering the person's color--however, this can only be done on the night phase. But Giovanni, the Team Rocket Leader, is known to be living in Saffron City. Giovanni is seer'd green even though he's a Rocket.

There is also the owner of Silph Co. (aka the mayor of Saffron) who looks out for the town in times of need and can protect one player per night from being killed by Team Rocket.

Giovanni (Master Wolf)
Rocket (Wolf)
Rocket
Copycat (Seer)
Mayor (Guardian)
Trainer (Human)
Trainer
Trainer
Trainer
Trainer

I, the Strange Boy, am but your host. I relay the information as it happens. Good luck to all.

1. Mashi
2. SuperFireKirby
3. Jub3r7
4. drpamplemousse
5. askalice23
6. gzgregory
7. Raymondbl
8. Dude
9. ETFROXX
10. master_gamer38

---

It showed how late the hour was in that the night was completely dark. No bright lights from the city of Saffron shone. The stars and moon would have been visible had it not been for an ominous, murky haze resting over the city. The only source of light was the dim, artificial, yellowish glow of the streetlights on every other block. I watched as the two people skulked around the corner, almost imperceptibly. They stopped in front of a house, consulted a sheet of paper, shook their heads, and continued on. They stopped in front of another house, squinted to make out the number, and sighed, again simply passing by.

"Ugh," one of the people spat out, shuddering violently.

"What is it?" hissed the other person.

The first person simply pointed at something, a look of revulsion on his face. A Purrloin darted out from behind a trashcan, mewing innocently.

"What's the big deal?" muttered the second one.

"Those things are bad luck," said the first person angrily. "This is a bad idea. We're too conspicuous. We're going to be discovered!"

"Shut up!" said the second one irritably. "Giovanni's orders. And you know you don't want to upset him."

"That's true," said the first one, clearly unnerved by the black cat Pokemon. "But those things are bad omens...let's finish the job quick."

I muffled a gasp as I noticed a gun hung from the belt of the first person. I was forced to remind myself that I couldn't interfere with this world as I realized--they were going to kill someone.

---

Roles have been distributed. It is now NIGHT ONE.

Guardian and Seer, note that abilities may not be used night one.

Good luck to all.

Okay, let's start this off.

No one claim a blue role this first night. Since the abilities cannot be used, claiming is just asking to be wolfed. Once this phase passes however, the seer should claim (wait for counterclaims), and should then be guarded by the guardian.

I don't have much else to say currently. There never really is much the first night phase, much less the first post. Even on that note, let's keep active and bring back TWG here.

Wow, that was the quickest sign-up thread ever.

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For future reference, is the Guardian able to guard himself/herself?

If I remember correctly, yes.

Yes, that's why I didn't let them use their abilities the first night...I didn't want the guardian to spam guarding him/herself starting from the first night phase.

Self-protection varies from host to host.

I have nothing much to say, except good luck.

Alright, so guardin can use the powers first phase? Also seer do claim so that the guardian can guard you and you can post seering. Dont trust the seering 100% due to the master wolf but the odds are if theyre seered green then they are most likely human. I say we go with the seering until we get the reds out of the way. By doing so we narrow down the amount of people we suspect as master wolf.

The odds are like this... 10 players 6 seered green. High probability if the person is seered green they are human. If the seer claims we eliminate them as possible wolf and the guardian contacts the seer eliminating 2. So we are down to 8 players. two of which are blue. So that leaves us 6. These 6 will dwindle down as the night phases go on leaving very few players in that 6 category. Then we can start suspecting those seered green as possible wolf. Thus making catching the master wolf easier.

oh just read the whole no powers 1st night... seer hold off on claiming all together. guardian could be killed off 1st night phase, so i wouldnt claim for a bit.

Uhhhhh..... when does Night One end?

yes, yes, can't wait to lynch dude for revenge from my first game.

The point of lynching someone is not to get revenge; it's to find and eliminate the wolves.

I agree with Jub. Lets thinkit out be fore we vote on who to lynch. Most games people just lynch whoever they are fueding with at the time and it can come back to bite the human team. So dont try to lynch based on who your mad at, vote based on who is most likely a wolf.

Sorry SFK, I realized I forgot that at school today.

Night one ends TONIGHT at 9:00 PM, EST, unless anyone needs more time.

Oh noes EST.

I'm not going to be on as much as I would like in the future. AP tests coming up and I'm not entirely prepared. I'll still be here quite a bit however.

hey wolves, just to let you know, i'm really bad and that if you're going to follow the manti rule wolf someone super good, but not me, because i'm the worst twger ever.
okay????????? good.  :)

Because if I'm wolfed, I'll make sure Mister MG and Miss ETFROXX are on your case.
Forever.

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 27, 2011, 06:56:39 AMyes, yes, can't wait to lynch dude for revenge from my first game.

What. (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=2155.msg56627#msg56627)

Ah yes, forgot to mention this.

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 27, 2011, 06:56:39 AMyes, yes, can't wait to lynch dude for revenge from my first game.

I am saying to ALL of you, and this warning especially goes to Raymondbl: do NOT mess up my chance to host. This is my game, and if people ruin it by doing stupid things, I will be very pissed to say the least.

Wolfing good players so they can't play is a stupid move.
You could make them look suspicious because they haven't been wolfed yet!

Quote from: SlowPokemon on April 27, 2011, 05:02:26 PMAh yes, forgot to mention this.

I am saying to ALL of you, and this warning especially goes to Raymondbl: do NOT mess up my chance to host. This is my game, and if people ruin it by doing stupid things, I will be very pissed to say the least.

Quote from: Dude on April 27, 2011, 04:51:55 PMWhat. (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=2155.msg56627#msg56627)

;D
I was just kidding anyway, but sorry for the mistake.  It's been a year  :)
mashi, if I was a wolf, and you said that, I would wolfed you, because saying that just makes people more likely to do what you say not to.  I haven't seen the games you were in, so I wouldn't know for sure, but.... I'm not a wolf anyway.

Question: Is EST Ninsheetmusic time?  Mine is 8:00 right now - 5 hours off greenwhich, I think.... I'm confused.

Quote from: SlowPokemon on April 27, 2011, 05:02:26 PMAh yes, forgot to mention this.

I am saying to ALL of you, and this warning especially goes to Raymondbl: do NOT mess up my chance to host. This is my game, and if people ruin it by doing stupid things, I will be very pissed to say the least.

I was just joking - I'm trying hard not to mess things up.  Don't have high expectations though, and PM me if I'm dangerously close to doing a Raymondbl.

What the Wolves don't know though is that I'm trying to be a scapegoat for the Blues.
Unless I'm actually a Blue!
But then again.  Am I really dumb enough to be so open, at risk of being wolfed?
Well, duh, of course I am!
Unless this is also part of my ploy.

But seriously, wolfing due to the Manti Rule is dumb and for beginners.  If a person was really experienced, they would keep more experienced players alive so that they would be suspected.  Not to mention, if people do die due to the Manti Rule, it's obvious that the Wolves are going to be beginners.
That is, unless it's an infinite reverse psychology plan.  But I only give the smarter players credit for doing that.
Unfortunately, smarter players might be jerks and decide to wolf me to be mean. :(

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 27, 2011, 05:08:46 PMQuestion: Is EST Ninsheetmusic time?  Mine is 8:00 right now - 5 hours off greenwhich, I think.... I'm confused.

You live in Ohio. EST=Eastern Standard Time. Should be the same.

Also, there is no NSM time; just go to profile and click "Look and Layout Preferences" to change it to your time.

Quote from: SlowPokemon on April 27, 2011, 05:22:33 PMYou live in Ohio. EST=Eastern Standard Time. Should be the same.

Also, there is no NSM time; just go to profile and click "Look and Layout Preferences" to change it to your time.

Thanks! 
half an hour until night ends and I probably got wolfed :(
I'm writing my will right now  :D

Quote from: Mashi on April 27, 2011, 05:16:06 PMWhat the Wolves don't know though is that I'm trying to be a scapegoat for the Blues.
Unless I'm actually a Blue!
But then again.  Am I really dumb enough to be so open, at risk of being wolfed?
Well, duh, of course I am!
Unless this is also part of my ploy.

But seriously, wolfing due to the Manti Rule is dumb and for beginners.  If a person was really experienced, they would keep more experienced players alive so that they would be suspected.  Not to mention, if people do die due to the Manti Rule, it's obvious that the Wolves are going to be beginners.
That is, unless it's an infinite reverse psychology plan.  But I only give the smarter players credit for doing that.
Unfortunately, smarter players might be jerks and decide to wolf me to be mean. :(

I haven't seen someone act so defensive on the first round, although I can understand why.
I can imagine how annoying the Manti Rule could be if you were eliminated on the first round in every game...

Your ploy schematics are a bit dramatic; the problem is that this could conceal a wolf role or a human role of either color. :P

And wolfing me won't put a blame on any of my suspicions, because I haven't directly stated any of them.
So don't waste your time.

Raymondbl, you can't commit anything towards the game after your death, unless it's a death post (Which must not pertain to the game at all; it's just in case you want to say something witty).
Just to let you know in case.

Also, you're so frivolous Jub3r7!  As if I would let the Seer or Guardian die by chance so easily!  Who knows?  Perhaps I truly am a blue acting in a bizarre manner in order to save myself from being wolfed due to reverse reverse psychology, so the Wolves aim for someone else and I get to stay alive!

...
You are confusing me a lot, Mashi.
I have no idea what to think now. ???

Wow night 1 and it already is shaping up to be a good game. Lots of activity. Which means things to go off of.

On that note, this is just a thought at this point.

Mashi, you keep saying wolves please do not wolf me and all of this. Which leads me to think you indeed are a wolf. Think about it like this, a wolf could come out and be defensive like that because they know they are safe. You claim youre being a scapegoat for the blues but i personally do not see it.

On the other hand i can see your view point as a human. It sucks being the 1st one killed off because you never have a chance to put your inout in.

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 27, 2011, 05:29:37 PMThanks! 
half an hour until night ends and I probably got wolfed :(
I'm writing my will right now  :D

Raymondbl you also are doing a similar thing. The only difference is you seem to be trying to make enemies. Yes, the im getting revenge thing was a joke, however its probably best to keep that to yourself. Also if dude is wolfed i know where my vote is going now because of that comment.

I did say that I was going to try to make this game active.
And that's difficult to do if you're dead, so I may as well take advantage of every second I have in this game.

That is understandable and you are making the game active. However you are being defensive when there wasnt a reason to. I will say i understand where you are coming from with the wolfing a good player. At this point it is too early to tell, so we wait and see who is wolfed tonight.

Wait, how am I being defensive at all?  All I've been doing was saying random things about me being wolfed.

Saffron awoke to a seemingly peaceful, dull morning. The sky was a very light blue, signifying the beginning of May and that summer was just around the corner.

Dude walked out of his house to find SuperFireKirby and ETFROXX waiting for him. They were heading over to master gamer's place; a small party was in order. The trio chatted idly as they walked, approaching Master Gamer's house.

"So yeah, this just kinda sucks for him, I mean..." ETF was saying thoughtfully, then saw Master Gamer's house and broke off. "...What the..."

Dude looked at the house incredulously. "What the..."

SuperFireKirby's mouth dropped open. "What the..."

None of them seemed to be able to finish their sentiment. Yellow police tape blocked off the door and a small crowd was gathered in front of Master Gamer's place: several familiar faces greeted them. Mashi was looking extremely worried, maybe even paranoid. Askalice, quiet and reserved, his brow furrowed. Jub3r7, a bit scared, but appeared to be in deep thought.

"This is horrible," murmured Dr. Pamplemousse, shaking his head.

"I don't understand..." gzgregory said, shivering. "Why could this have happened?"

ETF ran quickly from Dude and SFK and started picking through the crowd. "Where is he?" she demanded nervously. "Where is Master Gamer?"

No one seemed to want to look at or answer her.

"Where!?" she shouted, frightened.

"He's..." gzgregory began hesitantly, but Raymondbl cut him off.

"ETF, he's...dead," Raymond piped up. "Haven't you seen the news?"

"What?" she said. She must have misheard him. "...Dead?"

"Dead," confirmed Mashi, his eyes darting around nervously. "The Rockets got him, and the Rockets are gonna get me, too, just you watch..."

"Rockets?" ETF repeated stupidly. "They're...they're gone..."

"They're back," said Dr. Pamplemousse darkly. "They're back...and they've claimed their first victim."

"What..." ETF said dazedly, then staggered backwards. Gregory caught her as she was about to fall on her back.

Two policemen exited the house, and they were carrying something long under a white sheet.

"That's...that's not..." ETF whispered, then ran toward them and yanked the sheet off. Immediately her eyes burned with tears.

Master Gamer. There was no mistaking him. His arms hung limply at his sides. ETF staggered forwards this time, and landed on her knees.

"Found dead this morning at 5:30 AM. Death probably occured between 1:30 and 2:00. You don't know anything about this, do you miss?" the policeman inquired sharply. Then his tone softened. "Miss...you feeling all right?"

ETF ignored him and got to her feet with some difficulty. The rest of the crowd rushed to her aid, breaking through the yellow tape.

"How did he die?" Raymond asked the policeman almost bravely.

"He was shot in the head," the policeman said suspiciously.

"Were there signs of a break in?" SFK inquired.

"It's strange that you mention that...not at all," he said even more warily. "The lock on the front door was unlocked...that was all we can find."

"But only Master Gamer and the nine of us had a key," said Jub, puzzled.

"That means..." said Dr. Pamplemousse slowly, "it was one of us."

Mashi fell to the ground in a faint.

"What the hell do you think you're talking about?" Dude growled. "'One of us'...This isn't a game of Clue."

"He's right," said ETF shakily, startling everyone. "We need to figure out who among us are traitors."

"There are Rockets among us," askalice said slowly. "And we need to know who they are."

"To avenge Master Gamer," Jub said.

"To avenge Master Gamer," ETF agreed, seemingly calm at last.

---

Night one is over. Master Gamer is dead.

It is now Day One. Pick your favorite Rocket and send him/her to the chopping block. Just do it before 9:00 PM EST on Friday, April 29, 2011.

Good luck to all. Farewell Master Gamer.

Okay, so Seer can come out now and the Guardian can claim to him/her.

Also, Mister MG. :(
Wolves are dumb for following Manti Rule though.

Wait, why would we want the Guardian to claim? Or do you mean the guardian send the seer a pm after the seer claims?

Anyway, I think SlowPokemon is the wolf. I mean, how else would he know that MG had gotten wolfed unless it was him who did it!?!?

But in all seriousness raymond is acting kind of funny. The way that first time wolves usually act giving off that vibe of uneasiness. Or maybe it's just me. No other leads though.

Yes, the Guardian should PM claiming to the Seer after the Seer claims.

Well, I totally called that. Yay for dying night one.

In other words, this game is off to a great start. I don't care that I died. What matters is that there is activity. That's what I care about.

To every player, play your best. Use logic as best you can.

Humans, Gotta catch em' all.

>.< Ninja'd so many times (3).

Of course you end your post with "no other leads" right when I'm in the middle of making accusations.
The following was written after Mashi's post and before SFK's.

Blaaaah okay now I'm stating outright that I'm suspicious of Mashi.
Using Manti Rule as a cover-up is something he would do, although there's no solid evidence in this theory...

I'm holding off on voting him for now, because the evidence gathered isn't completely reliable.
I know I'm making a direct accusation, but I'm still not 100% sure.  :P

In case I lose internet or something tomorrow, I'll put a safety on SuperFireKirby right now.

I'm putting a safety on Raymondbl.

Inb4 he goes berserk and says I'm out to get him and then he votes for me.

Alright so a good player was killed off first phase. The only thing i have with seer claiming is the possibility of mg being the guardian. Chances are slim but you never know. I say take the risk anyways becase the seer will at least be able to get a seering in no matter what.

So seer claim, guardian pm seer, and lets get started on this wolf hunt.

Quote from: Jub3r7 on April 27, 2011, 08:15:16 PMBlaaaah okay now I'm stating outright that I'm suspicious of Mashi.
Using Manti Rule as a cover-up is something he would do, although there's no solid evidence in this theory...

Allow me to pose a question then.  Am I the type of person to place evidence on myself Night 1?  Would anyone do that?  You can use the ploy of infinite reverse psychology as much as you would like, but in the end, the chances of me being Human or Wolf are the same.

And to go further with the infinite reverse psychology; a Wolf could have easily wolfed Mister MG in an attempt to make me suspicious, while I at the same time, could have easily wolfed Mister MG using Manti Rule as an excuse.


So in other words, no matter how you look at it, I'm technically as blank a slate as everyone else is.

yeah there really isnt any evidence to plot mgs death on anyone. I am suspicious of mashi however he brings up a good point. He is a good player and would he really make a rookie mistake and put the spotlight on him. Although this could be exactly what he wants in that we ignore it because he is a skilled player who is purposly bringing attention to him so that we overlook it and allow him to fly under the radar

I'm the Seer.

This is my first game of TWG... god help me do a good job  :-\

Quote from: askalice23 on April 27, 2011, 08:44:30 PMyeah there really isnt any evidence to plot mgs death on anyone. I am suspicious of mashi however he brings up a good point. He is a good player and would he really make a rookie mistake and put the spotlight on him. Although this could be exactly what he wants in that we ignore it because he is a skilled player who is purposly bringing attention to him so that we overlook it and allow him to fly under the radar

Exactly why I was suspicious of him.

Quote from: Mashi on April 27, 2011, 08:36:07 PMAllow me to pose a question then.  Am I the type of person to place evidence on myself Night 1?  Would anyone do that?  You can use the ploy of infinite reverse psychology as much as you would like, but in the end, the chances of me being Human or Wolf are the same.

And to go further with the infinite reverse psychology; a Wolf could have easily wolfed Mister MG in an attempt to make me suspicious, while I at the same time, could have easily wolfed Mister MG using Manti Rule as an excuse.

Those are all valid points, which is why I haven't voted for you yet. I don't want to risk losing a strong player.

Also, guardian should wait for counterclaims before contacting gregory, in case the wolves are giving us the slip.


Question: Is a death post allowed to be relevant to the game? In past TWG's on NSM they usually were, but one of Mashi's recent posts contradicts that idea.

Rule 5 in TWG Rules Topic:

Quote5. One death post may be allowed by the person killed during the Night phase. This post must be brief, and contain no information about the game. A player who is lynched, during the Day, may not post again after they are killed.

But anyways, as Jub3r7 stated; Guardian wait a bit in case there's a counterclaim (Though, it's probably unlikely) and if nothing occurs, claim to gzgregory.

Quote from: Dude on April 27, 2011, 08:16:19 PMI'm putting a safety on Raymondbl.

Inb4 he goes berserk and says I'm out to get him and then he votes for me.

Pshaw, I would never do that!   ;D

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 27, 2011, 07:57:43 PMBut in all seriousness raymond is acting kind of funny. The way that first time wolves usually act giving off that vibe of uneasiness. Or maybe it's just me. No other leads though.

...   I wish I was a wolf.... I've been a normal dumb human in all the three games I've played in.  I'm not saying I'm not one though :) feel free to lynch me, your loss, guys...

by the way, safety on Mashi  I agree, he's been very talkative and confusing lately.  Almost like an outburst of innocence. 

I just remembered I wasn't supposed to edit!  :o  Sorry! Won't happen again. 

YES! Activity! Finally!

safety jub3r7. It is still a little early to start heading in a direction. we're all getting settled and stuff.

my two main suspicions at this point are mashi and ray. They both seemed very defensive at the start of the game. The one that strikes me the most is Mashi. Im voting for him because he came out from the very get go defensive when there wasnt a big reason to. Also it is unlike him to play in this manner. Ray in the past has played the exact same way. However why did you edit the post? I didnt read the original so did it have anything that gave you away?

Quote from: askalice23 on April 28, 2011, 09:25:59 AMmy two main suspicions at this point are mashi and ray. They both seemed very defensive at the start of the game. The one that strikes me the most is Mashi. Im voting for him because he came out from the very get go defensive when there wasnt a big reason to. Also it is unlike him to play in this manner. Ray in the past has played the exact same way. However why did you edit the post? I didnt read the original so did it have anything that gave you away?

no, I just forgot to put my vote for Mashi. Jub is a little suspicious to me....

Any reason why, or is it just gut instinct? Gut instinct doesn't get you very far in this game.
It would be nice of you to explain further.

Raymond has acted a little suspicious, but I feel like he would be more aggressive if he were a wolf.

His first post threw me off a little bit, but since then he's been acting more or less human.
Still no definite conclusions. :P

Mashi claims that his behavior is used to keep the game active, so I'm having difficulty recognizing whether his behavior is for that purpose or to mask a wolf identity.
There's also a chance of both these reasons for his behavior being true.
Blaaaah.

askalice23 seems human for the same reason as ray. In past games, when he was a wolf, he more aggressive.
Although this doesn't make him 100% human.


I was going to analyze the other people but suddenly why is my dad home two hours early.
Analyze you guys later.

And also someone should pm those who haven't posted, in case they don't realize the game has started yet.

No one is a definite human right now except for MG and Gregory

so heres my analysis on the game thus far:

Mashi: acting strange imo thats why i voted for you. I really want to believe you are a human because you are making this game very active and you are a skilled player
Ray: well its tough to say that youre a wolf because this is how you act in twg. Plus you and dude have a little history going xD
ETF: not much to go off of havent been super active in the game but thats your style of play so im not suspecting anything as of right now
Super: not active either kinda of strange for you but you did state you have you had online problems... i could be wrong but i think it was you who posted that
Jub: seems very human imo... very active like to see that and you bring up valid points
MG: dead by wolf therefore human
Gregory: claimed seer no counterclaim human
Askalice: well i know im human but i cant proove it unless gregory seered me but unfortunatly there is a master wolf so dont trust the green to be 100%
Dude: seems fine to me other than the friendly little fued you have with ray
Drp: not being as active as i would think youd be... still you are helping a bit so your fine with me.

I will add this.. ray pmed me saying shhh!!!!!!!!!!! not sure what that means. Especially seeing how im suspecting him and mashi it could make me think hes telling me to stop. I dont know if thats enough to change my vote to ray but i am going to because i want to believe mashi is a human and i did have my suspicions for ray.

To let everyone know. ETF has been grounded from her computer. I'm sure she'll use her ipod to come on a little, but not much.

Okay, I think everyone's seen the topic already, so Guardian, you can PM the Seer claiming now if you would like.
Also, gzgregory, I'm expecting you to be active in this game (And I would like you to be active in the game at LLF as well, since you haven't done anything in that), especially because you're the Seer.

Now, as far as my suspicions go.  I'm leaning towards askalice23 and Jub3r7; though, at the moment, I'm not 100% sure about them.  But anyway, why, you may ask?  For a few reasons.  Lets go back and read a few quotes.  As I go through them, I want you to imagine, in a hypothetical situation, that askalice23 and Jub3r7 are both Wolves.  After that, you could try to see if what they've said so far adds up to them being human.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 27, 2011, 06:06:41 PMOn that note, this is just a thought at this point.

Mashi, you keep saying wolves please do not wolf me and all of this. Which leads me to think you indeed are a wolf. Think about it like this, a wolf could come out and be defensive like that because they know they are safe. You claim youre being a scapegoat for the blues but i personally do not see it.

At this moment in time, askalice23 states that for myself to ask to be wolfed makes me suspicious.  Why?  Well, for one, it's because if I were a Wolf, it makes it appear that I'm appealing the Wolves to not wolf me and in the end, they won't because I'm a Wolf.
However, why would I make myself open publically?  If I were a Human, why would I believe, even for a moment, that the Wolves wouldn't wolf me just because I'm asking them to?  Easy, I don't.  But if the rest of my accusations in this post add up, it may have gotten us 2 Wolves!
But now, lets pretend I was a Wolf doing that.  What would I have to gain?  At all?  Absolutely nothing.  If I were to not be wolfed after a while, people would grow suspicious of me and may decide to lynch me, so the real Wolves would kill me without having to waste a wolfing.  And how would this be done?  Simple, place a red herring on me (As askalice23 did in the above quote) and don't wolf me.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 27, 2011, 06:28:41 PMThat is understandable and you are making the game active. However you are being defensive when there wasnt a reason to. I will say i understand where you are coming from with the wolfing a good player. At this point it is too early to tell, so we wait and see who is wolfed tonight.

In this, he's saying I'm defensive.  I've inquired him about this, but what exactly am I being defensive towards?
Now, this is being a bit psychoanalytical now; but at the end of his post, he insinuates that it's too early to tell whether my behaviour's legitimacy can be told, until the wolfing.  Now, what's the only way the wolfing could verify the reasons for my behaviour?  If I were wolfed.  And if not?  Then nothing really happens, except for it being possible to place suspicion one me.  Now, if askalice23 were a Wolf, he would have complete control over whom was wolfed; so it would make sense that he wouldn't wolf me to place a red herring on me, and if he is a Wolf, that's what he did.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 28, 2011, 09:25:59 AMmy two main suspicions at this point are mashi and ray. They both seemed very defensive at the start of the game. The one that strikes me the most is Mashi. Im voting for him because he came out from the very get go defensive when there wasnt a big reason to. Also it is unlike him to play in this manner.

You still never answered my post from before asking how I was being defensive. :(
But nevertheless, he states it's unlike me to play in this manner.  There are some reasons that can explain this.  The more obvious one(Though, not confirmed; it still negates out askalice23's argument, which again, leaves me as a blank slate) is that I'm trying to promote activity by posting arbitrary things which may or may not cause discussion (And hey, look whats happened!).  The second is that I haven't played at NSM for a long while now.  Who knows, perhaps my playing style has changed?

Quote from: Jub3r7 on April 28, 2011, 12:21:44 PMaskalice23 seems human for the same reason as ray. In past games, when he was a wolf, he more aggressive.
Although this doesn't make him 100% human.

Now, here Jub3r7 states that he believes askalice23 is Human because he's not playing very aggressively.  If anything, askalice23 has only been aggressive; he had already had a vibe against me Night 1, when I feel it's completely conspicuous that my behaviour last Phase can technically be used to prove me Human or Wolf and is technically useless at this time.  This is the reason I'm suspecting Jub3r7; he points out that askalice23 isn't acting as he usually does when he's a Wolf, but is creates a paradox when he states so.  Granted, he does state at the end of the quote that this is reason to believe askalice23 is Human 100%, but he showed some ambivalence in his analysis of all three of the players he analyzed (Raymondbl, askalice23, and me), this this uncertainty does not point to much.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 28, 2011, 01:03:35 PMJub: seems very human imo... very active like to see that and you bring up valid points

Here, askalice23 is saying he believes that Jub3r7 is Human.  Jub3r7 has really done nothing but raise up a few points and express his indecision towards a few things.  I don't see how that points to him being Human.
askalice23 also states that Jub3r7 is also being rather active and is a reason he believes he's a Human.  askalice23 believes my posts at the beginning were a ploy (Though, I don't see how that can be believable with how I've defended myself) and so far, I would say I've been fairly active.  So why is it that I'm not felt as Human for being active either?
(Though, I'm not saying activity proves someone is Human, but I just mean to say that in use of rhetoric.)


So now, I'm going to vote for askalice23.  However; although what I've stated may be compelling, it's fully possible that this was all some very improbable coincidence.  To be frank, I'm not completely sure about this myself, but it's a lead, so I'm going to follow it.  I want everyone to think all of this through and I want everyone to post their own opinions about this or any other suspicions they have.  Even if I get lynched, so long as the reason is at least somewhat reasonable, I'll be happy.  But things like that can't happen unless everyone's talking.

Also, I recommend everyone here visit the #TWG chat.  It's much easier to discuss the game that way and reaction tests and the like are much more useful and real (Unlike on forums, where a Wolf has time to think his/her post through to make it artificial and sly) when done in real time.

I've been on #TWG all day and no one's shwon up. And I love how Mashi's being a total beast.

Now I'm a bit more suspicious of Jub than askalice. Main reason. He seems like he's band wagoning to go along with what ever majority thinks just to go with the flow.(My suspicions of ray, askalice's of mashi). Now after Mashi's post I'm sure he'll be all over askalice.

Askalice: Doesn't seem too wolfy to me but.... that most certainly doesn't count him out of the game and I guess I can kinda, sorta maybe see where's he's coming from on suspicions of Mashi.

Mashi: Pulling out the big guns, especially with that last post. But I recall the last game he was a wolf and used similar tactics. Very, very sneaky. And very good at playing wolf, especially when it comes to framing people. Now this definately doesn't mean he's a wolf, I just want to point it out.

gzgregory: Seer. Nothing really more to it since there hasn't been a counterclaim.

raymonbl: My top suspicion at this point. The way he's playing just makes me uneasy.

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 28, 2011, 06:13:57 AMby the way, safety on Mashi  I agree, he's been very talkative and confusing lately.  Almost like an outburst of innocence. 

A bad attempt at raising suspicion at Mashi? You decide.

MG: Ded. :'(

ETFROXX: Not very active due to her computer loss so I can't say much for or against her.

DRP: Hasn't been doing very musch, might be a wolf slipping under a radar I don't know. Nothing at this point.

With all said and done I'm gonna vote raymondbl for now.

Remember: there are currently 3 wolves. And only 6 humans. If we don't make the right choices, the wolves can easily win this game. Stay on your toes.

SUPERFIREKIRBY YOU DIDN'T PING ME AND I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE IN THE ROOM. :(

Mashi if we are going off that logic than you etf and mg are all wolves. You did say if i am killed i will see that Mr mg and Miss ETF get you all did you not. I do not view Jub as a wolf because he is posting valid statements and contributing to this game.

Yes you are too, but your first few posts were plese dont wolf me. It was almost like you were desperatly trying to proove you were a human. I think every post you had first night had something to do with how you were deffinetly a human ad shouldnt be wolfed. Seems like a strategy a wolf would take. you were trying to get the whole i am a human point across when no one was accusing you otherwise.

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 28, 2011, 03:43:23 PMraymonbl: My top suspicion at this point. The way he's playing just makes me uneasy.A bad attempt at raising suspicion at Mashi? You decide.

Everyone's basically said why Mashi was suspicious, I can explain further, but I thought there was no need.

From his first a couple posts, he's been talking about himself being wolfed.  I've said it once too, but I thought I was so unpopular that I was sure to be killed first.  
 

And now he's going into lengthy defensive posts with un-convincing reasons at why he's doing those, in my opinion. I thought it was self-explanatory.  

Askalice:  I don't think he's a wolf, by the way of his manner of speech.  it seems very much as of a confused human.  
 
Jub: he was voting for SFK with no apparent reason.  That's why I'm suspecting him a little bit, but no big reason.  that's why I'm voting Mashi first.  

SFK, ETf could've been the seer or something.  I still don't trust him.  That is left for the guardian to decide.

You've seen me slightly uneasy probably because
1. I'm bummed and irritated at being another human, which leads to:
2. I'm trying to be as polite as I can, sometimes I don't mean to but my posts sound very offensive, which is why you hated me for a whole year and probably still do now.  

I expected you to vote me though.    


that's all.  

I wish us luck!  (which probably isn't very useful).  

(askalice posted as I was writing this)
ASKALICE YES YES YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT BY A "BURST OF INNOCENCE"  FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS ME WOOOOOT *dances* I didn't notice the mg and etf thing though, I suppose you're right.   vote still on Mashi (just making sure no one misses it). 

Mashi, I'm starting to get suspicious. You've been really defensive and asking wolves not to wolf you, although I see no reason for a wolf to do that in the first place.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 28, 2011, 04:00:46 PMI think every post you had first night had something to do with how you were deffinetly a human ad shouldnt be wolfed. Seems like a strategy a wolf would take. you were trying to get the whole i am a human point across when no one was accusing you otherwise.

^This.
I'm going to vote Mashi for now.

Im voting Mashi because of the defensive position he has been taking all game the big long post sort of sealed it for me.

Way to completely ignore every single point I made guys.

Prove to me, why would I even think of acting the way I did Night 1 if I were a Wolf?  The infinite reverse psychology idea (Which you people are mistaking for reverse psychology) does not work at all.

And seriously guys, you're voting for me and completely ignored my post which discerned various points about my suspicions towards askalice23 and Jub3r7?  And you tag along with askalice23 when he doesn't even give a reasonable defense back?


As I've stated before, I won't mind being lynched this.  That is, not unless I'm lynched for something reasonable.  You people aren't even thinking this thoroughly.

Ok, I've read through the topic again, and I'm not sure who to suspect, Mashi or askalice23.
You two've been arguing back and forth for the entire topic, and you both are bringing up equally valid points.
Mashi, you've been really defensive for the entire topic.
However, askalice23 has also been overly aggressive towards Mashi.
So I'm going to safety on drpamplemousse, finish this ridiculous amount of homework that I have, then see if any more evidence comes up.
Also Mashi, I've had too much homework lately to be really active, and when I do have free time on the computer it's early in the morning, so the rest of you guys are never on chat :'(

Quote from: gzgregory on April 28, 2011, 04:48:27 PMOk, I've read through the topic again, and I'm not sure who to suspect, Mashi or askalice23.
You two've been arguing back and forth for the entire topic, and you both are bringing up equally valid points.
Mashi, you've been really defensive for the entire topic.
However, askalice23 has also been overly aggressive towards Mashi.
So I'm going to safety on drpamplemousse, finish this ridiculous amount of homework that I have, then see if any more evidence comes up.
Also Mashi, I've had too much homework lately to be really active, and when I do have free time on the computer it's early in the morning, so the rest of you guys are never on chat :'(

I still vote Mashi.  I think askalice has not been overly aggressive, only just as aggresive as I would be, as we both agree on the same points, which is why I let him do a big portion of the accusing  :D 

I'm still not completely sure he's not a wolf though.  his last pm to me was a little unusual imo. 

Mashi, I tried to read the whole thing, but I've got to say, I would of acted the exact same way as you did if I were a wolf.  Many of the points you make are overly complicated and
1. makes people not want to read (I read it, though, not understanding some of it, not because I don't understand your meaning, i don't agree with your reasoning)
2. your reasoning would be great for a very intelligent person, but I do not think anyone is that intelligent on here to think of acting like what you say when in their point of view.  This is why I think you're going way too defensive - very defensive people find every little hole that can be used in every situation.  I don't blame you, and I'm not completely sure you're a wolf, but there's a big chance.   

Would someone please get on IRC? That would make this whole process go so much more smoothly.

Now there's seems to be unruly ganging up on Mashi. It can either end with really bad or really good results, as Mashi would be an important asset on both sides of the playing field. If he is human, our chance of losing this game only increase. If he's a wolf then for him to be gone would be a big advantage. I'll leave my vote on raymond but I'm waiting until tomorrow to make a real decision once everything has played out. But askalice doesn't seem to have been overly agressive towards Mashi or even really all that agressive at all. Suspicious, yes, but I think that maybe Mashi's super post was a little over the top defense-wise. Wolfy? Always possible. But that epic post did bring up valid points. Before hand, Mashi was not really taking all too much of a defensive stance. So really the fight seems between Mashi and askalice and who we want to believe. Who knows? Maybe they're both human. But that is most likely not the case. While I am leaning towards Mashi at this point of the two, they both arouse a fair amount of suspicion.

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 28, 2011, 04:55:27 PMI still vote Mashi.  I think askalice has not been overly aggressive, only just as aggresive as I would be, as we both agree on the same points, which is why I let him do a big portion of the accusing  :D  

This is called not thinking and being a sheep.  We're trying to avoid this in this game.  Also, the point I made against askalice23 was that he was aggressive early in the game (Night 1), and his suspicions towards me seemed to have just grew and grew, despite being superfluous and incorrect.

QuoteI'm still not completely sure he's not a wolf though.  his last pm to me was a little unusual imo.  

May we see this PM?

QuoteMashi, I tried to read the whole thing, but I've got to say, I would of acted the exact same way as you did if I were a wolf.  Many of the points you make are overly complicated and
1. makes people not want to read (I read it, though, not understanding some of it, not because I don't understand your meaning, i don't agree with your reasoning)
2. your reasoning would be great for a very intelligent person, but I do not think anyone is that intelligent on here to think of acting like what you say when in their point of view.  This is why I think you're going way too defensive - very defensive people find every little hole that can be used in every situation.  I don't blame you, and I'm not completely sure you're a wolf, but there's a big chance.  

I frankly don't see how my post was complicated at all to be honest, but even so; as far as the Night 1 shenanigans go, we're discussing how I would have acted, not how you would have.
1. If people don't read it, they're not playing the game properly.  Also, if you don't agree with my reasoning, speak out and tell me why.  A Human can only defend himself/herself if they know why he/she isn't trusted or why he/she is being accused.
2. Again, I don't believe my logic was very complicated.  This is TWG; some of the tactics I pointed out are very common.


Also yes, as SuperFireKirby said, get on the IRC. :(

Blaaaaaaah what are you people doing.

The reason I didn't vote for Mashi is because the evidence on him isn't solid yet, and we can't risk losing a human as experienced as him on the first round.
If anything, we should wait for seering results by gregory. Although as pointed out, we can't trust the results 100%.


I'm starting to see Mashi's suspicion on askalice23.
Someone earlier mentioned that I had a band-wagon behavior, but I was the first one to voice suspicion on Mashi.
And then askalice/raymond voted him, resulting in suspicion on me.
I appreciate the vouching from alice that I am a human, but it really wasn't neccesary.

If anything, either Mashi is a wolf, or alice and raymond are wolves.
Or both...  :P

Question: What is the irc channel/name of the TWG chat? I don't remember...

/server irc.drshnaps.com
/join #TWG

I know Mashi is acting a bit suspicious right now, but there's no reason for an all out attack at the moment.

Also, raymond, do you know what a safety is? I placed a safety on SFK.
A safety is a vote used on a person for no other reason than to avoid a phantom vote.

If we have "under the radar" behaviors, it would be dude and drp, although UTR can also imply bored humans.
Somehow dude seems to escape most of the analysis made so far.

Quote from: Jub3r7 on April 28, 2011, 05:34:50 PMIf we have "under the radar" behaviors, it would be dude and drp, although UTR can also imply bored humans.
Somehow dude seems to escape most of the analysis made so far.

Hahaha. That can be true... or UTR people have english and french papers to write!!!

Looking through these past posts, Mashi is becoming more and more suspicious on my radar. I'm not going to change my vote yet until I can analyze everything a bit further... Maybe analyze some previous games when everyone was really active.

My thoughts now are sort of like jub3r7s, either Mashi is a wolf and askalice is. There could be a possibility that theyre in collusion, playing off each other, but that could be just me.

I'm still on the fence, and I just hope the stuff I haven't stated might help my decision if I change tomorrow

I love the activity in this game! :D This is shaping out to be a great game. Just reminding everyone that there are twenty four hours left in the Day Phase. Vote carefully.

I know!

*Slow used a Max Revive on TWG

Quote from: drpamplemousse on April 28, 2011, 05:55:40 PMMy thoughts now are sort of like jub3r7s, either Mashi is a wolf and askalice is. There could be a possibility that theyre in collusion, playing off each other, but that could be just me.

Although I see the logic behind this, this is a strategy that is extremely improbable for either of us to use.  I don't believe we're the type of players who believe sacrifice like that for the Wolf Team should exist.


But anyway, I suggest you visit the chat, so we can discuss matters more efficiently and quickly.
Also, askalice23, I also recommend you come to the chat, because if not, there's not much to argue against and we may not have any sort of change in opinion.

Quote from: Mashi on April 28, 2011, 06:13:58 PMBut anyway, I suggest you visit the chat, so we can discuss matters more efficiently and quickly.

well 1) nikisbusy -- it aint the weekend yet. and 2) I know you want to see how we react without proofing posts before we hit "Soumettez"

jub i was not bandwagoning i was the 1st to vote for mashi. I stated my case on why i think he is a wolf. IMO he came right out and try to beat the point that he was human home when no one was suspecting anyone at that point. Lets face it the wolves have always and will always lynch a good player first night. So really why plead your case that much when its just bound to happen. I changed my vote back to mashi because i had figured out some information that if revealed could destroy the humans chances at winning. The people involved know who they are and will be the only ones to know at this stage in the game. If you look back to previous games mashi has never played in this way. I think he is acting strange but vote how you see fit. My vote will remain on Mashi.

I as well will not care if i am lynched i really like where this game is heading. Keep up the posting.

Also chat has never ran well on my computer that is why i have never been on. I apologize for that but the lag is ridiculous ad it kicks me from the internet whenever i use any chat whether its here aim or the likes.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 28, 2011, 06:29:10 PMIMO he came right out and try to beat the point that he was human home when no one was suspecting anyone at that point.

See, what was occurring Night 1 was that I was making posts claiming I didn't want to be wolfed Night 1.  Although I understand how it could be believed that I was insinuating that I was Human, you fail to believe me when I say that there's absolutely nothing to gain for a Wolf to do what I did Night 1.  I keep telling you all, this is infinite reverse psychology.  My behaviour Night 1 can't prove that I'm a Human or a Wolf.

QuoteLets face it the wolves have always and will always lynch a good player first night. So really why plead your case that much when its just bound to happen.

They won't always.  For example, the Wolves left me alive and look at what's happening.

QuoteI changed my vote back to mashi because i had figured out some information that if revealed could destroy the humans chances at winning. The people involved know who they are and will be the only ones to know at this stage in the game.

If this involves me, then there's no point in hiding it.  It's completely unfair and silly to lynch me for reasons unknown to me.

QuoteIf you look back to previous games mashi has never played in this way. I think he is acting strange but vote how you see fit.

Then let me ask you this.  If I've never acted like this before (And actually, I believe I did in Mister MG's game where players aren't actually known), then how do you know this is how I act when I'm a Wolf?  If this playstyle is completely new, how can the difference be told for whether I'm Human or Wolf?  And please don't say because the way I acted Night 1 was just suspicious, I've proven this argument incorrect so many times already.


Also, drpamplemousse, what exactly is wrong with being able to test people's reactions in real time?  It helps find Wolves.  Posting on a forum makes it more difficult and slower.



Also, askalice23, do you have a YIM or MSN or anything then?

Er, askalice23 made an error.

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Quote from: Raymondbl on April 28, 2011, 06:13:57 AMby the way, safety on Mashi  I agree, he's been very talkative and confusing lately.  Almost like an outburst of innocence. 

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Quote from: askalice23 on April 28, 2011, 09:25:59 AMmy two main suspicions at this point are mashi and ray. They both seemed very defensive at the start of the game. The one that strikes me the most is Mashi. Im voting for him because he came out from the very get go defensive when there wasnt a big reason to. Also it is unlike him to play in this manner. Ray in the past has played the exact same way. However why did you edit the post? I didnt read the original so did it have anything that gave you away?

Then the seer added their vote but changed it after reading through the thread a bit.
Correction: You weren't the first to vote for Mashi.

My vote remains a safety for now. Could change depending on askalice's actions.

i do not have a msn or the likes. I have aim however im rarely on. Now jub you safetyed on mashi where as i voted for him officially. Your safety did not affect my decision i would have voted him regardless.

Mashi are you a good player yes. Are you alive yes. Mg is he a good player yes. is he dead yes. A good player died night one.

I cannot reveal the information it would put the humans in a bad position. If you were a human with this knowledge than you would understand.

I just feel the whole please dont lynch me was fishy. You can tell me it was a scapegoat and all that but to me it was you trying to make sure the whole world knew you were human. Which raises the question of why would a human be so set on proving himself that much? Everyone else  did not take that route and i dont suspect them as much.

I just dont see a normal human player pushing that much on the 1st night. I could be wrong i will admit that but its just my opinion. And im not the only one who viewed it that way.

I've been saying this a countless number of times.  One of the reasons I was posting so arbitrarily was to try to get activity (And if you take a look, it's working quite well, no?).  You're also saying that the reason I was entreating the Wolves not to wolf me was to appear Human.  As a Wolf, don't you think I would have realized how silly that would be?  And if you say I would use the reasoning I'm saying now as an excuse, I'll just tell you, once again, this is infinite reverse psychology.  My behaviour for Night 1 can go both ways, in proving that I'm a Human or a Wolf, so it can't really be used as evidence.

Also, I highly doubt that unless you're the Guardian (Which I suppose is also unlikely, because you wouldn't be telling other players this), then there's an infinitely small chance you could have any information that could lead to Human destruction.  Therefore you have absolutely no reason to hide whatever's in the contents of the PM (Which, according to Jub3r7, are your reasons for suspecting and if so, then it's ridiculous for you to hide them; I have no chance to defend myself.  If secret PM's prove anything at all, it's only that you're desperate to lynch me).

The guardian... stupidly pmed me who he is. Luckily i am a human but that person should NOT do that again unless he/she know for 100% truth someone is human.

And is there any particular reason you haven't informed gzgregory about this?
And why are you telling anyone at all about the identity of the Guardian?
And why would the Guardian have any reason at all to claim to you?

yeah i sort of dropped the ball on the whole telling jub my mistake.
guradian shouldnt claim to me at all which was why i said they should never do that.
and yeah didnt even think about confirming it with gregory.

What I would like to know is why you told Jub3r7.
And I also want you to inquire the Guardian to respond to why he/she claimed to you.

they did tell me why ad i understand it now. I cannot however reveal that info. I trusted jub thats why i told him.

And for what reasons do you trust Jub3r7?
Also, since gzgregory is the confirmed Seer, I highly advise you tell him every little secret you have.  That way, we can have a confirmed Seer decide these matters.

I did contact gregory and i will now no vote untill matters are squared away.

It was a gut feeling on trusting jub. Probably a bad idea but if he is a human which i think he is, the wolves will be much easier to catch. If the guardian dies next night phase then we can easily narrow it down to 2 people that could be wolves.

Oh btw mg, could I get this topic stickied?

Quote from: SlowPokemon on April 28, 2011, 08:27:40 PMOh btw mg, could I get this topic stickied?

Thou shalt be done.

Quote from: master_gamer38 on April 28, 2011, 08:37:13 PMThou shalt be done.

wait, isn't that "you shall be done"

? according to gzgregory, the guardian hasn't claimed to him yet. 
Now, I see a potential triangle - askalice, jub, and the supposed guardian.  However, little evidence there is, so on mashi stays the vote. 

I am starting to get crazy suspicious of askalice, though...

Mashi:  you said somewhere that the wolves should've wolfed you the first night.  And they didn't, and see what happened now?  Well now is exactly what they want - confusion and total chaos and conflict between humans while the wolves are sitting with their legs crossed and waiting for us to kill each other.  Which is what strengthens my suspicion. 

ok ray your right... let me bring up the pms you sent me then. Trying to turn it on me. Nice try Ray

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 28, 2011, 04:25:15 PMdude wtffff you almost gave me away darn I almost got messed up trying to give me away fuuuuuuu dang damnation *sputters, at a loss for words* 

why the heck did you post that?  If I said shhhh I obviously wanted you to not say anything, and it was because of you saying did something give you away?  Is that why you edited it?  Yes, something almost gave me away?  You wouldn't want your guardian dead, would you?  aaaaargh I'm trusting you not to be a wolf!   if you are please don't tell anyone and I will love you forever. 

*runs out of breath*. 

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 28, 2011, 04:35:10 PMdo you recommend me to guard myself or gzgregory since the wolves are bound to be suspicious about me now.   and they are bound to know the guardian will guard the seer. 

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 28, 2011, 07:42:11 PMif I didn't pm you then you would keep it up and either I would be lynched or the wolves will guess I'm the guardian and attack me the night after this day.  I had to do it and take the risk.  Call it stupid if you might - this is my way :) 

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 29, 2011, 04:22:47 AMnow I realize something - you said that the guardian was stupid enough to pm you claiming.  Who else playing TWG is stupid enough to do that?  Everyone would suspect me as guardian now.  good job.  now my plan with gzgregory is dead.  Can't be used.  NEVER MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT "GUARDIAN!" I will most likely be wolfed on your actions unless either I am very lucky or the wolves are stupid, which I doubt they are.  It may still be amendable, but please, don't mention anything about it! 

Now i see it. you only contacted me so that id remove my vote from you. Which you stated  in one of your oms but i didnt think anyone who wasnt guardian would do such a thing.

haha.  trying to make up pm's?  MasterGamer did the same to me in my last game.  does anyone know me to use swearwords?  though his other imitations are rather good, but I don't take risks.  never trust anyone.  especially not askalice.  It only takes one lie for people to never trust you again. Good thing I didn't trust him with any secrets, or god knows what would've happened....  It makes me more and more suspicious, but my vote is still on Mashi.  The triangle doesn't match up. 

your right ray i totally made up 4 quotes from you in 3 minutes. Oh no it gets better i secretly wrote all these quotes and perfected them when the game 1st started so that when you did try to frame me i could just pull them up right?

Rays PMs to Askalice are quite suspicious... even in my early days, I didn't pull a stunt like that.

So Im voting for ray because is just digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole.

I may not be super active, but looking at what's going on makes my decision stand

Blaaah bad decisions are being made by a lot of people, including me.

1. raymond confided in askalice.
2. askalice told me.
3. I told Mashi that askalice told me something, but I didn't specify.

You shouldn't trust anyone in The Werewolf Game except confirmed roles;
If you have to confide in someone, say it to the seer.

And more mistakes are being made in the thread right now. Things are getting out of hand.

Ray randomly posts that he has suspicions on askalice but keeps his vote on Mashi.
This could have been used as a strategy of some sort, but askalice suddenly decides to jump on this.

In case you didn't realize this yet, askalice, but raymond didn't give any reasons on why he thought you were suspicious;
This was no reason to overreact and post information that could be extremely vital to the survival of the humans.

In your defense, you might say that it was already too late, because [vital information, involving people in chat last night, and communicated to askalice via pm]
Although this was not entirely clarified until your most recent posts.

Also just saw drp's post.
You're absolutely right. He is digging himself into a hole, but if he's not lying then you are digging the humans into a hole by voting for him.
I'd appreciate it if you were to wait for seering results before lynching off a possible human.

I believe my vote was previously on ray but I'll restate it just in case. Sorry raymond but the evidence is just stacking up against you.

Correction to my last post. You could possibly be lynching off the guardian.

Please reconsider your vote while I look back at everyone's posts this game.

Hey guys, it's possible that I may not be here for the rest of the day soon, so I'm leaving voting in the hands of gzgregory and Jub3r7 because they're the most knowledgeable about these events and they're the only people I trust that have more than half a brain.

But anyway, askalice23, if you may, please screenshot those quotes from Raymondbl to prove their legitimacy.


Once most of this information is settled, I'll probably recast my vote and suspicions if I have the time, but since I'm in a rush at the moment, I'll have to do that a bit later.

TWG CURRENT REFLECTION: PART 1 - THE RANT; STFU ASKALICE

There's no point in denying it any longer.  I am the guardian.  You guys are forcing me to admit because if I don't admit, you'll lynch me off of askalice's blunder.  If I do admit it, the wolves will get me and you will be guardianless :(    

go find your name and read it, and read other's if you're curious.  
 

DRP: askalice dug me into the hole, and I was keep trying to get out of it, but eventually it was too deep to get out of.  If there's anything suspicious about it, it's because I was nearly hysterical at the time of writing it.  I am quite hysterical now, and it is taking all my effort not to melt everyone here into pulp with my rage.  I don't know what you mean by stunt, though.  I was not lying in ANY of my pm's.  I trusted askalice just as I have never trusted anyone for soooo long.  It was very good, to have a friendship built on such trust and reliance.  I will never trust anyone again.  Trust is unstable.  Trust destroys all.  

JUB: The only reason I trusted askalice was because if I didn't trust him and tell him the truth, he would reveal how I almost gave myself away in my earlier posts, and in the "shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" pm.  It was inevitable.  If I had not, it would have the same results as now.  

You should never tell someone that you know something, but are not going to tell what it is. I made the same mistake last year, where my friend told me which girl he fancied, and I said to some other girl I knew, and this whole bunch of girls stalked me in school for 4 days trying to find out who it was.  

No, I wasn't confiding, but I did make a mistake in trusting.  I did not need to confide in anyone but the seer.

Haha, you nailed it!  The first time I posted I had suspicions, was the first pm where I freaked out and told him I was the guardian, and he immediately said "ok I will immediately change my vote so you are not lynched" that sounds a little suspicious, no?  How polite and unquestioning is that?  And after we formed a bond I post my (fake) suspicions on askalice as a strategy, to make people think I'm not completely grabbing on Mashi and slamming him into the wall.  Yes, he jumped on it, and never realized it was a strategy, even though I continued to give him pm's that had nothing to do with suspecting him.  

SFK: I was uneasy because I was the guardian, and was stressed and wondering at how I would do.  The evidence is not stacking against me for humans, but it is for wolves.  Other than that you gave no other reason for why you're voting me, and if you were a human you would be actively trying to find wolves, not just post on who you hate the most.  This makes me think you are a wolf, but for paltry reasons compared to Mashi.  

ASKALICE: You made me feel sooo bad and stressed and frustrated.  You know how depressing this is?  First, you nearly gave me away. Then I pm'ed you with my identity, and you gave me away again!  Saying the guardian was stupid -  ask who's the stupidest person on TWG and everyone will point to me - that's giving me away.  Everyone knows I'm stupid.    Then you didn't realize I was lying in my posts in order to win and thought I was betraying you, which led to you betraying me and all the other humans and gzgregory.  And after that you were just outright rude.   ASKALICE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SCREENSHOT IT.

DUDE: Sorry about my post at the beginning.  That's all I really have to say, you haven't been active lately.  

MASHI: you really have been suspicious lately.  Although you did make a comeback in your reasoning and seem a little more innocent than before, I think in this type of thing, first impression counts, because we were all suspecting you.  Also, yes, you have a chance both of being a human and a wolf, but most likely a wolf would do that.  If it's to spark activity, you did it well, but you're taking all our attention off the other possible wolves.  This may be a mistake, and I know I would've made it.  However, you need to learn from it.  Though I would'nt have been any better than you, which is why I am not blaming anyone.   MASHI THE QUOTES WERE LEGIMATE.   

GZGREGORY:  sorry but this whole thing is ruined.  You'll be wolfed sooner or later.  we didn't get to work much, hope it's better next game.  You're a good player though.  

That's all as of now, I might have more to add.

Changing my vote to SFK because he's bandwagoning on ray.

When I see this:

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 29, 2011, 01:38:31 PMI believe my vote was previously on ray but I'll restate it just in case. Sorry raymond but the evidence is just stacking up against you.

it looks like "Oh look, ray already has a ton of votes on him. I'll go ahead and vote for him so I don't get noticed!"

Or maybe it's just me. Idk...

Hm.... SFK has voted for me from the beginning and as far as I know never changed his vote.  But I don't see any reason for him to vote me unless you count his hatred.  as of now the evidence is inconclusive. 

Guys, don't Insta Raymondbl.  Since he's outright claiming it to the thread now, I just want gzgregory to confirm he's the Guardian.  Because if Raymondbl truly is the Guardian and we lynch him, we're losing our Seer next Phase.  We may as well try to squeeze in that one Night Phase for seering next Phase by lynching someone else if Raymondbl really is the Guardian.

And if he's not, we lynch him.  Lynching a counter productive Human is almost equal to lynching a Wolf.

Note that I am not "over-analyzing" to cover a wolf role; in order to sort out possible wolves you have to look at everyone.

Mashi - Take his wisdom with a grain of salt, just in case.
I believe the way he is acting is to get Greg to seer him, meaning that this behavior is expected from a Master Wolf.
However, there is also some evidence that he is human.

SuperFireKirby - I'd say you are a little bit UTR, even though your posts have been meaningful.
Oh wait. Your first post was a simple question asking when the day phase ends.
Your second post asked for clarification from Mashi, and then makes a joke about wolfing Slow.

Third post analyzes everyone, pointing out that I have a bandwagoning personality.
Even though I haven't changed my vote from a safety, I see your point now. :P
You predicted in that post that I would suddenly see Mashi's point of view and suspect askalice.
You were right. I seem to be easily persuaded by people's statements, but the truth is, I haven't acted on a single one yet.

Your next post analyzes Mashi, explaining our chances of winning if he is a wolf or not a wolf, and then explains how it is him versus askalice.
I can't tell whether you are focusing on him because you think he is human, or for other reasons...

You seem like either a human who makes typical assumptions, or a wolf that wants to cover for a team mate by analyzing him.
After thinking about it, I feel more inclined toward your human side until your bandwagon just now.

Jub3r7. If you don't help the humans through this, I will be disappointed in you.
This is your one chance to shine through and find the wolves, and actually playing your first decent game.

drpamplemousse. Your excuse for being UTR is that you have papers to write.
Your one point of activity was on page five when you were conversing about a possible clashing wolves theory between alice/mashi, along with why you wouldn't be very active during the game.

Your recent post was a bandwagon with reason being that "looking at what's going on makes my decision stand".
However, the only reasons before that were posted before include "he's acting suspicious."
"his pm's are suspicious"  "Sorry raymond but the evidence is just stacking up against you."
Okay, look. He's probably the guardian that trusted the wrong person.
It's best to hold off on voting for him until gregory seers him, so we don't "accidentally" kill the guardian, and the only hope of greg's survival.

askalice23. What's going on with you, exactly?
Oh dear sorry have to rush the rest of this, I'll elaborate later but I have to go to work NOW.
You attacked ray the moment he said he was suspicious of you.
That was extremely unnecessary.
I appreciate that you trusted me earlier in the game, but I'm not sure the same will go the other way around anymore.

Would elaborate but mom is rushing me.

gzgregory - You know what the situation is, and I'm sure you can handle it from here.
You are the only one they can trust right now.

raymondbl - You aren't dead yet. Hang in there, and we'll soon find out the truth and maybe get things done the right way.

Dude - You've been mostly UTR but you seem more like a bored human to me.
I'll elaborate on these quick summaries when I get back, which is around 11:00 or so.

ETFROXX - Because you don't have internet access I have nothing on you.
If you turn out to be a wolf I will have sad.

master_gamer38 - Your posts were productive and encouraging, but that statement isn't needed to prove that you were human.
Rest in Peace.


As I said I'll elaborate later as mom is rushing me to go to work.

19:18      *** gzgregory joined #twg
19:18   gzgregory   Are you here?
19:18   Vera   Yes.
19:18   gzgregory   Ok
19:18   gzgregory   All I have to say is, we're in big trouble.
19:19   Vera   Okay, so Gregory, you're going to have to verify whether or not Raymondbl is Guardian.
19:19   gzgregory   I'm nearly certain he is. I've received no counterclaims.
19:19   Vera   I see.
19:19   Vera   So we have to get votes off him now.

gzgregory can verify this log for me (Though I have no reason to fake it).
So take your votes off of Raymondbl, and vote for someone you find suspicious I suppose.

Agree with Mashi.

If we're gonna survive, we'd better unvote ray.

alright so do we still need the screenshots?? Also i attacked ray like that because he went on to say that he never pmed me. It was almost like he was trying to frame me of being a wolf.

No, screenshots probably won't be necessary anymore since Raymondbl admits to have sending you the PMs and having lied.

Also, again, take your votes off of Raymondbl.  Even though I'm apparently suspicious to you all, I would rather die in place of the Guardian if it means we could have the Seer stay alive for a bit longer.

Et je change my vote à jub3r

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 29, 2011, 02:53:48 PMHm.... SFK has voted for me from the beginning and as far as I know never changed his vote.  But I don't see any reason for him to vote me unless you count his hatred.  as of now the evidence is inconclusive. 

I don't hate you.

Quote from: Dude on April 29, 2011, 02:47:54 PMChanging my vote to SFK because he's bandwagoning on ray.

I voted for him a long while ago. I was just reaffirming my vote which had already been placed on him

Quote from: Jub3r7 on April 29, 2011, 03:01:34 PMSuperFireKirby - I'd say you are a little bit UTR, even though your posts have been meaningful.

UTR, does that mean under the radar? Also, once again, I wasn't bandwagonig on ray because I had already placed my vote on him long before hand.

But since it seems that ray is the legit guardian, I should be taking my vote off. It probably also explains his somewhat funny behavior earlier in the game.

Crap, not too long left in the day.

Now then,

Mashi: At this point, I'm almost positive he is human despite earlier accusations that were coming from him at all end(though mainly from askalice.)

Dude: I didn't even realize he was in this game until about 15 seconds ago. Hasn't done anything at all in the game, which could be a wolf slipping under the radar. Was very quick to accuse me of bandwagoning though I clearly stated that I was simply restating my vote on raymond. I find that a little odd.

askalice23: Seems to be aggressive on all sides but at this point it seems much more human aggression than wolf sabotage.

raymondbl: The guardian

gzgregory: The seer

Jub3r7: Seems fairly human in some aspects. Joined Dude on that I was bandwagoning but also brought up multiple other points which definitely give me more reason to lean to the human side.

DRP: Still not very active but apparently there's a reason, though I don't know what it is.

ETFROXX: Still grounded I guess so may not participate in the game at all.

Crap I have to go eat and there's only 30 minutes left. I guess I'll change my vote to Dude in case I can't get back in time.

Okay so there has been a change of plans. I went back and read through the topic to count the votes, and as of THIS post...

Quote from: drpamplemousse on April 29, 2011, 12:45:16 PMRays PMs to Askalice are quite suspicious... even in my early days, I didn't pull a stunt like that.

So Im voting for ray because is just digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole.

I may not be super active, but looking at what's going on makes my decision stand

...Raymondbl had 5 votes out of 9 people, which means INSTA and therefore everything afterwards is invalid. Sorry, I can't ignore this, I should have been counting the whole time.

So in a strange turn of events...
I-I-INSTA

Raymondbl is dead. It is now Night Two. Night Two ends Saturday, April 30, 2011, at 9:00 PM EST.

1. Mashi
2. SuperFireKirby
3. Jub3r7
4. drpamplemousse
5. askalice23
6. gzgregory
7. Raymondbl
8. Dude
9. ETFROXX

Story coming later, maybe.

Wow this was a weird phase...but great for Day One

...Shit.

...well, now I'm in big trouble.

Oh crap this just got interesting for everyone, I just realized.

I completely forgot about instas...

Ill just go hide in a corner.

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 29, 2011, 05:26:20 PMWas very quick to accuse me of bandwagoning though I clearly stated that I was simply restating my vote on raymond.

I didn't see that post, sorry.

I told you you would regret voting for me  ::)

askalice, I'm not saying this is your fault, but you certainly contributed big time to it.  Just try not to make decisions to quickly next time. 

I've gotta go now. 

Good luck to ye humans.
P.S.  I think the Insta is a stupid rule.   ;D

No posting after you've been lynched, ray.

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 29, 2011, 07:46:14 PMP.S.  I think the Insta is a stupid rule. 

Insert Kefka Deal With It pic here.

Mashi - Human
SuperFireKirby - I'm thinking he's Human, but he's going to need to speak more if I want to make a firm decision about it.
Jub3r7 - I believe he's Human after a few conversations with him.
drpamplemousse - Mostly undecided about him.  Needs to post or chat more.
askalice23 - I still believe he's a Wolf.  I won't restate my points again (You can reread the topic for those), but to add one; shortly after gzgregory and I stated that Raymondbl was indeed the Guardian and that everyone must change their votes to someone else, askalice23 posted asking whether he needed the screenshots still, but did not change his vote (Which leads me to believe he was hoping to have Raymondbl lynched).  Granted, it was an Insta, but we weren't aware of it at the time.  Perhaps askalice23 had forgotten to change his vote?  I would very much doubt that.  By the way he worded his post, he definitely read Jub3r7's last post on Page 7, so I doubt he would miss what gzgregory and me had said.  But this is for you all to decide.
gzgregory - Seer
Dude - Inactive
ETFROXX - Inactive

Okay so, is this game active?  Yes.
Are all the players active?  No.
I want every single one of you to chat and post as frequently as possible.  If not, I'll psychoanalyze the few posts you've all made and base my feelings towards you all based on that slight evidence.  So if you want to look Human, get posting.

Also, so we can begin some discussion.  Every player name their Top 3 Suspicions and their reasons why.
So I only have a firm opinion on 3 players after the ruckus Day 1 caused.  That's not good.  Post more, gogogogogogogogogo.

1. askalice23 - For reasons I'm sure you're all already aware of.
2. Dude or Miss ETFROXX - Mostly a conjecture, but these two could easily be inactive Wolves (Even if their reasons may or may not be verified).  Compared with other players though, they're mostly a blank slate and closest for whom I believe could be a Wolf.
3. drpamplemousse - Another surmise.  This is mostly based off of askalice23's reaction towards him in his first Player Analysis.  drpamplemousse had only made one post (A safety) and askalice23 had stated he was 'helping a bit'.  Posting once for a safety isn't exactly helping to be honest, so askalice23 either overlooked or bemused a few things about drpamplemousse or was trying to plant some herrings to make drpamplemousse appear Human.


But anyways, I'm sleepy now, so I think I'll be going to bed.

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 29, 2011, 05:26:20 PMDude: I didn't even realize he was in this game until about 15 seconds ago. Hasn't done anything at all in the game, which could be a wolf slipping under the radar. Was very quick to accuse me of bandwagoning though I clearly stated that I was simply restating my vote on raymond. I find that a little odd.

I notified him through private message that multiple people were bandwagoning on his vote, and that he should change it to avoid lynching the guardian.

Quote from: Jub3r7 on April 29, 2011, 12:57:59 PMPeople are bandwagoning on your safety in TWG.

Unless you want to risk lynching a human that could be extremely vital to us, please change your vote for now.
We should wait for seering results before jumping on him.

I see that you are online right now, so don't try ignoring me.

He probably assumed that you were one of those people, because your message was stated right after about three others...

Vera Mashi, when I said there were "SEKRET REASONS!!!!!!!!" about which askalice23 was voting for you that were explained in the private message, I was telling a partial truth.
In the private message he said he changed his vote to you because his original vote was on the guardian.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 28, 2011, 07:09:34 PMOk look i originally voted for ray but changed die to info i couldnt say... now i trust you enough to believe you are a human. ray pmed me telling me he was the guardian and that is why i changed my vote back to mashi.

Sorry for being evasive about that; there was always a chance that you wouldn't find out about ray.
But now that he's dead, there's no point in hiding the private message anymore.

His reasons explained why he changed his vote, not why he voted for you.
I should have either said that, or nothing at all in the first place.


My suspects:
Mashi
SFK
drp
askalice23
Dude
ETFROXX

Blaaah Mashi. When the topic approaches him everyone explodes into paragraph-long analysii that conclude with a statement saying that nothing can be concluded about him. fuuuuuu.
Instead of changing his vote, SFK kept it on raymond because "Sorry raymond but the evidence is just stacking up against you."

Let's look at other votes on him and see what sort of evidence we can find.

drp's reasons -

Quote from: drpamplemousse on April 29, 2011, 12:45:16 PMRays PMs to Askalice are quite suspicious... even in my early days, I didn't pull a stunt like that.

So Im voting for ray because is just digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole.

I may not be super active, but looking at what's going on makes my decision stand

If he is digging himself into a deeper hole, why didn't you try to help him out?
And if you actually looked at what was going on, then why would you vote for the only person claiming guardian?

Oh, and your first statement. His private message's are suspicious.
This is where askalice23 comes in.

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 29, 2011, 06:08:16 AMwait, isn't that "you shall be done"

? according to gzgregory, the guardian hasn't claimed to him yet. 
Now, I see a potential triangle - askalice, jub, and the supposed guardian.  However, little evidence there is, so on mashi stays the vote. 

I am starting to get crazy suspicious of askalice, though...

Mashi:  you said somewhere that the wolves should've wolfed you the first night.  And they didn't, and see what happened now?  Well now is exactly what they want - confusion and total chaos and conflict between humans while the wolves are sitting with their legs crossed and waiting for us to kill each other.  Which is what strengthens my suspicion. 

ray doesn't change his vote to askalice, and says one line about being suspicious of askalice.
AND SUDDENLY HE'S YOUR WORST ENEMY.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 29, 2011, 09:40:19 AMok ray your right... let me bring up the pms you sent me then. Trying to turn it on me. Nice try Ray

Even if it didn't turn out to be a strategy that raymond planned, you don't vote someone just because they say they are suspicious of you.

If you had noticed his earlier posts, he had suspicions on plenty of people without definite reason.

Dude made a safety on ray first.

Quote from: Dude on April 27, 2011, 08:16:19 PMI'm putting a safety on Raymondbl.

Inb4 he goes berserk and says I'm out to get him and then he votes for me.

Then SFK makes his vote on ray, bandwagoning on a safety in his long analyzation post. Click on the quote to view the whole message.

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 28, 2011, 03:43:23 PMWith all said and done I'm gonna vote raymondbl for now.

Then all the drama about ray trusting askalice.
Then boom, askalice is the third vote.
drp is the fourth vote.
Then dude removes his vote after seeing my private message.
Then drp changes his vote to me for unknown reasons.
Then SFK restates his vote.
SFK changes his vote to dude just in case he can't come back in time.
Then boom, it is revealed by Slow... oh effing snap

I'm sorry Slow, I really didn't want to do this.
When did raymondbdl have five votes? :(  :'(

This error needs to be fixed.

Quote from: Jub3r7 on April 29, 2011, 10:17:44 PMThen dude removes his vote after seeing my private message.

I didn't do this. I was being lazy and eventually forgot what to do. Once I saw SFK "restate" his vote, then I changed it.

That's what I meant; you removed your vote from ray to someone else.

The point is... raymond was never insta'd.

Wait, jub's right, Ray had at most 4 people vote for him. Everyone really needs to stop changing their votes every five seconds.

ninja'd

Correction to long post.

Quote from: Jub3r7 on April 29, 2011, 10:17:44 PMThen boom, askalice is the third vote.
drp is the fourth vote.
Then dude removes his vote after seeing my private message.
Then drp changes his vote to me for unknown reasons.
Then SFK restates his vote.
SFK changes his vote to dude just in case he can't come back in time.
Then boom, it is revealed by Slow... oh effing snap

I'm sorry Slow, I really didn't want to do this.
When did raymondbdl have five votes? :(  :'(

The "SFK restates his vote" should go before "Then dude removes his vote".

He was insta'd yesterday when Drpamplemousse voted for him earlier, before any of the stuff you're talking about. Sorry.

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT I TOTALLY MISCOUNTED. OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG I AM SOOOOO SORRY EVERYONE.

I am a horrible host...horrible host...horrible host...

Hold on while I count up the votes to see who did die

Ok. I am so sorry about that everyone. I must have counted sfk's next post as another vote rather than reading it carefully.

Now.
SuperFireKirby is dead. Night still ends tonight at nine EST.

The votes were as follows:
Mashi: askalice23
SuperFireKirby: Dude
Jub3r7: SuperFireKirby
Drpamplemousse: Jub3r7
askalice23: Raymondbl
Gzgregory: Drpamplemousse
Raymondbl: Mashi
Dude: SuperFireKirby
and ETFROXX had a Phantom.

... :D

So I didn't post it too late after all.... YES!

I gotz my powerz back!

and gzgregory, you won't die tonight after all.

Slow, everyone does something wrong when Raymondbl's involved :P  at least we found it out pretty soon.

Thanks guys!
gonna be back in an hour

...I don't believe it.  :D

Forgot to put this... any suggestions on seerings?

Suggestions sent to you, although it's ultimately your decision.

I have my suspicions, and I'll give them in detail tomorrow during the day phase.
Work comes early today...

Mashi
SuperFireKirby
Jub3r7
Drpamplemousse
askalice23
Gzgregory
Raymondbl
Dude
ETFROXX

Night Two is now over. No one was wolfed. It is now Day Two. Day Two ends Monday, May 2, 2011, at 9:00 PM EST.

*high fives gzgregory*

No. They didn't even send a pm. The wolves were annoyingly lazy.

Pro wolves are pro.
Anyway, this reaffirms my belief that Dude or Miss ETFROXX (Or even possibly both) is a Wolf.
However, before I make a vote, I would like to see if gzgregory has anything to say, so I'll wait a bit so he can post.

Well, that's good for us, isn't it? 

Maybe they purposely didn't vote to make people not suspect Mashi (since he's been so active)? 

I was about to say the same thing about Dude and ETF.  Why do you call her "Miss ETFROXX."

Yes, it is.
As for your possible theory, although I understand your viewpoint on it, I would presume that it's much more worth it to be able to wolf the Guardian and the Seer, rather than to not Wolf at all.  Not to mention, you can technically use that for my antithesis, askalice23, as well.  So it's difficult to decide who's a Wolf based on that logic.  However, even so, I suppose I'll have to agree that although it's less likely to have occurred, we should still keep the idea in mind.
Also, I call her "Miss" because she's awesome and super coll or something.

Well.

DrP is green.

Also, I find no one dying hilarious.

*high fives Raymondbl back*

SuperFireKirby: Last Active:   April 29, 2011, 11:23:45 PM
drpamplemousse: Last Active:   April 30, 2011, 05:59:36 PM
askalice23: Last Active:   April 30, 2011, 05:04:23 PM
Dude: Last Active:   April 30, 2011, 09:06:03 PM
ETFROXX: Last Active:   April 28, 2011, 01:49:28 AM

In case this is of any use.  Also, I didn't bother putting up any info on someone online now, because frivolous.

safety on mashi

I got a new phone today, so I didn't get much work done...

Lots of research and writing tomorrow!

Hmm. I wonder if the suspicions could be cut down due to the inactivity this round, mostly because I highly doubt an active wolf would miss a wolfing just for this.
That cuts out ray for good, mashi, and jub.
Which leaves drpamplemousse, askalice23, Dude, and ETF.
DrP is green, which means that he's most likely not a wolf.
Dude is a bit less suspicious since he was on later.
ETF isn't exactly a threat, being unable to use the computer.
So I'm going to vote for askalice23.

safetey on mashi

You can't safety on someone who's been safetied on  ::)

I never knew that. well, turning it into a vote then. Mashi.

As in, safetying on someone who's been voted for defeats the purpose of a safety.

Quote from: gzgregory on May 01, 2011, 06:39:49 AMAs in, safetying on someone who's been voted for defeats the purpose of a safety.

What's a safety? 

A vote on someone who is definitely not going to be lynched, for the sake of avoiding a phantom.

Quote from: gzgregory on May 01, 2011, 07:04:49 AMA vote on someone who is definitely not going to be lynched, for the sake of avoiding a phantom.

Not necessarily. Safetying is when you don't know who to vote for, so you place a vote on someone who doesn't have any votes yet, for no reason.

Thanks for clarifying that, Slow.

I'm still voting for Mashi because of his blunder earlier in the game. 

He's experienced, right?  And experienced people are good at covering up mistakes, and not making them.   He already made one, and he is a little more like a human now, but you still have to judge his earlier behavior and use that. 

Reverse psychology, huh?  Yeah, you're right, you could be either a human or a wolf, but which is more likely?  wolf.  Humans are very unlikely to suddenly, at the start of the game, explode with tons of reasons why they aren't wolves and telling wolves not to wolf them. 

Seriously, anyone else notice? 

And come on, post more, guys!  If you don't post I'm going to torture you with a heck long post that I'ma force you to read!

Also, another reason I'm suspecting Mashi is because he's been a wolf plenty of times already.

If you're going to make inferences, at least base them on something that makes sense.

That isn't exactly a great reason to suspect Mashi.

I'm sticking with my vote.

Yay, gone for one day and a fucking safety kills me. Just adds on to my shitty day. And I don't give a fuck that I'm not supposed to post after being lynched.

Alright so the wolves are lazy or inactive. So lets look at those who havent done much in the game or have been on recently.

Quote from: SuperFireKirby on May 01, 2011, 11:47:32 AMYay, gone for one day and a fucking safety kills me. Just adds on to my shitty day. And I don't give a fuck that I'm not supposed to post after being lynched.

SuperFireKirby, relax, it's a game.  And it was a Day 1 lynch to add to that.  If you're Human, you should be glad that you were able to save the Guardian.  If you're a Wolf, you only fell victim to an arbitrary Day 1 lynch.  One of which shouldn't matter considering it's a game again.  I apologize that you had to be lynched and I hope that whatever may have happened to you will get better.

Quote from: askalice23 on May 01, 2011, 12:02:09 PMAlright so the wolves are lazy or inactive. So lets look at those who havent done much in the game or have been on recently.

I'm not sure if you're reading the topic, because we've already mentioned that either your scenario is the case, or the Wolves were trying to use an artifice to fool us into lynching inactives who are Humans.  So lynching inactives may not be the best course of action at the moment.

But anyways, I'm going to place my vote on askalice23 again this Phase, because I haven't exactly had any change in opinion about him, and I've yet to see a catalyst pointing otherwise.

askalice23

Last night, I asked Mashi why he thought I was human, and his explanation was very lengthy and almost excessive.
However, if he were a wolf, his reasoning would be shorter and completely different, something along the lines of "I'm not sure why I trust you, it's just a feeling I have."

Wait. Hang on a second. I think I've heard that somewhere. :|

Quote from: askalice23 on April 28, 2011, 08:05:52 PMIt was a gut feeling on trusting jub.

When interrogated about it, askalice23's reasons for trusting me were not very valid.
askalice23 has played TWG a little longer than me, and he should know that gut feelings are no reason to trust anyone.

And also this ray business that I've already repeatedly mentioned in posts made earlier.
If I were to explain it again I would be restating these posts I've already made, most of them already being recitations of the previous one.

QuoteRay randomly posts that he has suspicions on askalice but keeps his vote on Mashi.
This could have been used as a strategy of some sort, but askalice suddenly decides to jump on this.

In case you didn't realize this yet, askalice, but raymond didn't give any reasons on why he thought you were suspicious;
This was no reason to overreact and post information that could be extremely vital to the survival of the humans.

Quote
askalice23. What's going on with you, exactly?
Oh dear sorry have to rush the rest of this, I'll elaborate later but I have to go to work NOW.
You attacked ray the moment he said he was suspicious of you.
That was extremely unnecessary.

QuoteThis is where askalice23 comes in.

Quote from: Raymondbl on April 29, 2011, 06:08:16 AMwait, isn't that "you shall be done"

? according to gzgregory, the guardian hasn't claimed to him yet. 
Now, I see a potential triangle - askalice, jub, and the supposed guardian.  However, little evidence there is, so on mashi stays the vote. 

I am starting to get crazy suspicious of askalice, though...

Mashi:  you said somewhere that the wolves should've wolfed you the first night.  And they didn't, and see what happened now?  Well now is exactly what they want - confusion and total chaos and conflict between humans while the wolves are sitting with their legs crossed and waiting for us to kill each other.  Which is what strengthens my suspicion. 

ray doesn't change his vote to askalice, and says one line about being suspicious of askalice.
AND SUDDENLY HE'S YOUR WORST ENEMY.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 29, 2011, 09:40:19 AMok ray your right... let me bring up the pms you sent me then. Trying to turn it on me. Nice try Ray

Even if it didn't turn out to be a strategy that raymond planned, you don't vote someone just because they say they are suspicious of you.

If you had noticed his earlier posts, he had suspicions on plenty of people without definite reason.

Yeah, I've already restated my reasoning at least twice. Oh, and I just found his response to all of that.

Quote from: askalice23 on April 29, 2011, 03:36:49 PMAlso i attacked ray like that because he went on to say that he never pmed me. It was almost like he was trying to frame me of being a wolf.

Probably because he didn't want to get wolfed for being the guardian. Maybe. Just maybe.

I'm sorry, but my vote goes to askalice23. How could you possibly change that? Oh, I know how.

It's simple enough to frame inactive people such as Dude and ETF by not wolfing anybody at all.
You knew that you were going to get lynched anyways, so you took the chance and didn't wolf anybody.

well, he knew we were in an alliance.  He still thought I was framing him.  My purpose was to state that I have some suspicions on him (as to make the wolves not think I was in an alliance with him, because he stated about the guardian) but it's not much, and Mashi's a much bigger deal. 

SuperFireKirby:  we don't need a fuck, so it's fine to us.  You should've posted it in the rant thread though. 

Anyway, I start to see the reasons on askalice, and since I don't think he's as stupid as to reveal me for the reasons he stated, I think he was going to find the perfect moment to give me away.  Which makes me change my vote.

askalice.

however, voting Mashi next phase. 

gzgregory, why the heck did you do drp?  I think he's the least suspicious!  Who recommended that to you?

Yay.  Thanks everyone.  Didn't have to use an hour and write a motivational TWG essay to get activity. 

Mashi: The main reason I haven't been on lately is because I have 20 assignments due by 11:59 PM on Monday. I really don't want to hear it. Now if you'll excuse me, I have work to do.

And I guess I'll safety on ETF as both Mashi and askalice have votes.

Due to Jub harassing me in the chatroom, I will change my vote to askalice.

I-I-I-INSTA'D.

Sorry, had to say that.


I just asked what his reasoning was for not voting askalice23, seeing as it's obvious that he's a wolf.
His response was that he still suspected Mashi, who clashed with him earlier.

I then provided various proof, albeit some evidence being... frivolous... about why Mashi was probably human.
If you had multiple lengthy conversations with him on the chat, you would see that he was human, in various ways.

You can also ask your seer about other reasons why Mashi is probably human, as each person can come to the same conclusions as another even if they have different methods of getting there.

Note that the conversation in the chat log is 75% forged.
My lines were used in a different context, and Dude never really did say that.  ;)

Yep. Askalice is dead. Day two is over. Night three ends monday at nine pm est. Wolves should stop being lazy btw.

<NSMGuest18> Zeta, is Mashi a wolf?
<Zeta> Yes, but only at the weekend.

GOOD THING IT'S MONDAY.

 :D are you on the chat?

so, who got wolfed, did I die, is this going to be my last post, what happened? 

Okay, night three is over. Raymondbl is dead. It is now Day Three, Day Three ends Wednesday, May 4, 2011, at nine pm EST.

...argh.

MG Edit, no revealing potential information from the dead.

lol doesn't matter, you can't say that when it's obvious you would have accepted it if it meant that you wouldn't be wolfed. I sat down at the computer to update for Night 3 at 9:12 and you had sent the pm previous to that... sorry bout that. Not changing it.

gzgregory, if you may, what was tonight's seering result?

It is a host's job, just as it is for police and judges, to maintain the law/rules and never to stray from them, no matter how annoying and tedious hard it is to deal with stupid 12-year old kids crime. If I'm not mistaken.

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MG edit: I've removed a lot of your post because you are potentially revealing many things. The part that is remaining above is a part for me to respond to.

The specifics are up to the host to decide. If a host wants to accept a change of a pm at any time, they can. It's the host's job to guide and run the game. They set the rules. The other rules are loose guidelines.

Quote from: Raymondbl on May 02, 2011, 07:36:03 PMMG EDIT TO REMOVE QUOTE INFO.

My word is final. You're dead.

MG EDIT: Slow said you're dead. So you are dead. Listen to the host. No more posts.

Dude is green.

I'm still not so sure of drp. And the wolf can't be ETF cuz she hasn't been on the forums at all lately to send a PM.

Quote from: ETF's profile thingyLast Active:    April 28, 2011, 12:49:28 AM

And don't forget, there could still be a Master Wolf seer'd green

Ok, so we have:

1. Mashi - I still have no idea what you are.
2. SuperFireKirby - lynched
3. Jub3r7 - Probably human
4. drpamplemousse - seerd green, but could be master wolf
5. askalice23 - lynched probably a wolf
6. gzgregory - seer
7. Raymondbl - guardian wolfed
8. Dude - human
9. ETFROXX - inactive
10. master_gamer38 - wolfed

We still have 6 left, so we had to have gotten at least 1 wolf already. If we lynch a human, we lose.

So I'm voting DRP

I'm not to enamored with you, dude. You have seemed kinda suspicious like how you played when I was hosting. I can assure you all, I'm green and if we lynch me, we'd lose and I kinda don't wanna lose.

So I'm gonna vote for dude

Voting for drp for at least three reasons mentioned in the chat, and statements made in my previous posts.

Okay so only three out of six have cast their ballots and night ends tonight...just letting everyone know.

Ok, I'm voting for drp because Jub actually has good reasons for lynching him.

Day Three is over. drpamplemousse is dead. It is now Night Four, Night Four ends Thursday, May 5, at 9:00 PM EST. (Though I may be a little late updating just so you know)

Ok, so now we have:

1. Mashi - I still have no idea what you are.
2. SuperFireKirby - lynched
3. Jub3r7 - Probably human
4. drpamplemousse - master wolf
5. askalice23 - lynched probably a wolf
6. gzgregory - seer
7. Raymondbl - guardian wolfed
8. Dude - human
9. ETFROXX - inactive
10. master_gamer38 - wolfed

Well... We got a wolf, as if he was human, the wolves would have won.

gzg, you might want to see what ETF or Mashi is. Your choice.

HOKAY. WHAT'D I MISS.

A lot. O_O

So, 5 people left, and only one wolf left to find.
Because if there were two, then we would lose the moment the night phase ends.

Also, Rest In Peace, gzgregory. :( _{I will have to upload that video I promised in the chat....}

I am going to enjoy that video.  :P

Anyway, might as well make a death post, since I'm probably screwed.

I'm pretty satisfied with my first game. Hopefully I can do better later on, but I think this was a good start.

Good luck, guys.  ;)

Yep. Night Four is over. GZGREGORY is dead. It is now Day Four, Day Four ends Saturday, May 7, 2011, at 9:00 PM EST.

Also you MAY NOT SHARE SEERING RESULTS WITH ANYONE. In case you didn't have the common sense.

So the only person left that I have a suspicion on is Mashi

I don't think ETF is a wolf. However, I could be wrong.

I believe Mashi is human after talking to him in the chat several times.
drpamplemousse and Dude were both seered green, and since drp was most likely the master wolf, Dude is also human.
That leaves ETF.

Also note that I would elaborate on this but I have to go to work soon.
Good luck. And dude, I suggest that you change your vote to her so she doesn't suddenly make it a wolf's win by KitB.

Fine...
ETF

Just so you know, if I were a Wolf, I could win the game by Insta-ing right now, so don't say this can't be proof that I'm Human!
So I'm not Insta-ing just in case Jub3r7 changes his mind for some reason (Though, since he's the only person other than myself that I believe is Human, if he would like me to Insta, I will).

Okay, so nothing happened, so I'm going to vote ETFROXX as well.

what's ETFR- what you said.

^I don't understand that.

Anyway, ETFROXX is dead, Day is over, and--FINALLY, I might add--HUMANS WIN!

Post game thread coming in a second.

Shush, I just wanted to make sure. :(

But anyway, Piano_Pika_, for future references, you're not permitted to post in a TWG unless you're alive in it.

what? really? that's not a fair rule, but, ok.  :P

It kinda is.

This game involves posting and analyzing what is going on in the posts, so people can make determinations on who to vote for. Useless posting can perhaps throw off the game..

You're welcome to give it a go next game if you wanna try it.