Okay, so here are the roles.
1. Mashi - Trainer (Human)
2. SFK - Rocket (Wolf)
3. Jub3r7 - Trainer (Human)
4. drpamplemousse - Trainer (Human)
5. askalice23 - Giovanni (Master Wolf)
6. gzgregory - Copycat (Seer)
7. Raymondbl - Mayor (Guardian)
8. Dude - Trainer (Human)
9. ETFROXX - Rocket (Wolf)
10. master_gamer38 - Trainer (Human)
I was extremely happy with this game overall. I loved the activity I saw (with the unavoidable exception of ETFROXX).
Here are my individual player thoughts:
Mashi - I think you contributed to the game a lot, but the very first phase you acted very weird, alerting people to you falsely. I mean, you're a very good TWG player, so I was a bit surprised to see the "don't wolf me!" speech. I don't need to lecture you, you're better than me at this.
SuperFireKirby - played a good wolf, or at least, a bad human. You were good at being subtle up until your lynching, which is also where the game sort of fell apart for you guys.
Jub3r7 - I was impressed by you this game. Not awkward or uneasy or indecisive the entire game. You used your brain and were not fazed by anything, piecing together tiny bits of clues as they came. Very great performance all around, congratulations.
drpamplemousse - you were sort of neutral for me this game. I mean, you played well, but you didn't play fantastically. You didn't really do much to affect the game, and even though you had the occasional moment of realization, your way of wording things seemed off to everyone else leading to your lynching.
askalice23 - I was impressed. I mean, had I been playing this game, there would have been no doubt in my mind you were human, up until things sort of fell apart and you started looking suspicious. Still, I always admire your ability to stay cool while under the pressure of being a wolf, nice job.
gzgregory - First timer. You didn't scream "first timer" to me though, you played rather well. Stayed calm while being the Seer, and was able to work well with the Guardian to help out the humans. You Seer'd the right people too for the situation, in my opinion.
Raymondbl - Urk. Well, you performed above my expectations...which were incredibly low. You did a better job of not acting stupidly and rashly this game, up until the night you were wolfed. One thing you need to accept: I am the host, and if I say you're dead, you don't doubt me. You need to accept that things don't always go your way, and with dignity and maturity. That's my only complaint though.
Dude - outstanding, great job helping the humans and trusting your instincts (which were typically good). More active this game, it really showed your ability to play.
ETFROXX - well, you did good for a wolf, I suppose, but that was due to you not playing. Victim of circumstance and all that, I know, but truthfully you managed to stay in the game due to luck. :D
master_gamer38 - Urk, the night one victim. Don't have anything to say really.
Okay, with that being said, it was a close call, but MVP goes to Jub3r7. He played great this game, especially considering he's relatively new to this. You can call it the birthday present that you earned. ;)
A couple last thoughts - the night no one was wolfed, I was disappointed. I mean, seriously, that was careless of the wolves to let an opportunity go by. Also, you may be wondering how ETF let me know who to wolf when she was obviously not active, yet the only wolf left. It was through text, guys. Think outside the box.
I am very happy with my hosting opportunity, I had way more fun than the usual player role. GREAT JOB. :D
Jub3r7 is the first new TWGer player that I'm proud of here.
A+++++++++
So, when do host sign ups begin for the next game?
So i guess it safe to say sorry to ray :P You can see why i turned on you now. Also i applaud Mashi, you kept pushing and pushing and got me out of my game and caught my slip ups.
All in all it was an awesome game everyone played extremly well and it was very active. Glad TWG is going back to what it was.
So askalice23, would you like to be Host next game since you were supposed to host for this one?
I was away that night and lack your phone number. Not sure where askalice was but I sure the situation is similar.
Anyways, I had such a great plan for framing Mashi and I had it all nice and typed out when I realized ray was still in the game. I went back a few pages and saw I had been wolfed because of a SAFETY BWAHHHHHH. I think it is possible to say the wolves lost due to circumstance.
But humans played a great game as well. Good Job!
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on May 07, 2011, 09:19:02 PMAnyways, I had such a great plan for framing Mashi and I had it all nice and typed out when I realized ray was still in the game.
Mostly out of curiosity, what was this plan?
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on May 07, 2011, 09:19:02 PMI was away that night and lack your phone number. Not sure where askalice was but I sure the situation is similar.
Anyways, I had such a great plan for framing Mashi and I had it all nice and typed out when I realized ray was still in the game. I went back a few pages and saw I had been wolfed because of a SAFETY BWAHHHHHH. I think it is possible to say the wolves lost due to circumstance.
But humans played a great game as well. Good Job!
Yeah. I kept my vote on you even when Dude also changed his vote to "SFK", because it didn't make sense for you to restate your vote on ray, especially after he claimed guardian.
So, it wasn't really just circumstance.
And drp, your vote on ray mentioned that you had been "looking at what's going on"...
Quote from: drpamplemousse on April 29, 2011, 12:45:16 PMRays PMs to Askalice are quite suspicious... even in my early days, I didn't pull a stunt like that.
So Im voting for ray because is just digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole.
I may not be super active, but looking at what's going on makes my decision stand
I presumed that if you really were paying attention you would have noticed that Ray was claiming the guardian, and that the seer had announced no counter-claims.
I really am sorry for lynching you. :(
Unfortunately I owe gz a video... since you didn't turn out to be the last wolf. x(
I would host but my last finals are coming up, so I will host after this next one because I want to keep things moving. I know I do not have the time to host at the moment.
I wish I was able to play. I was moving over here and everything.
I might put in for hosting, since I really have nothing to do.
Well, Slow, you have to admit technically, rules-wise, I would be correct and should not have been wolfed, and the only reason why I messed up is because I didn't know you would do that. But life's not always fair, so whatever :P
Also, askalice, you did a very good job pretending to be a human - it was the fact that you pointed out something about me being given away and telling everyone my pm ("shhh!") that I trusted you. Nice game.
I knew something was fishy when ETF said she couldn't use the computer. And she appeared RIGHT when she was about to be lynched by a Phantom.
Mashi, I'm sorry :'( But I do have to admit, your reasoning to me in the chat was very good, and I see your point now. Good job!
Also, MG I'm sorry for taking your time.
Very interesting game, my first game as a blue role, and my first experience on how not to mess up by overthinking!
Lulz I'm sorry guys. Even when I was ungrounded (which I seriously was grounded) my heart wasn't totally in the game. Congrats humans.
Cool, not bad for my first game. ;D
Anyway, I have to congratulate you, Jub. You did a really good job this game of finding wolves this game.
Except Drp. And that reminds me, I have a video to watch ;)
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 08, 2011, 06:59:29 AMWell, Slow, you have to admit technically, rules-wise, I would be correct and should not have been wolfed, and the only reason why I messed up is because I didn't know you would do that. But life's not always fair, so whatever :P
I don't have to admit anything. You changed your guard. If I had wolfed gzgregory, you know you would have claimed that your last pm protected him. So I am not admitting anything, I can't believe you would pull a stunt like changing your guard after the phase was over, fully knowing. It irritated me actually, it's almost like cheating and guarding both people.
Quote from: ETFROXX on May 08, 2011, 09:28:44 AMLulz I'm sorry guys. Even when I was ungrounded (which I seriously was grounded) my heart wasn't totally in the game. Congrats humans.
I'll believe you since you'd have no reason to lie after the game. You missed alot, though. It's always harder to enjoy something when you start in the middle of it.
gzgregory, you played really good this game. Nice choice of seerings, I would've messed up sooner. Keep up the great work!
Slow, yes you don't have to admit anything, I'm not making you. I would think it's reasonable, though. If you would of wolfed gzgregory, yes, of course I would claim that. but I would be wrong, and I'd know I'm wrong, and there is no shred of evidence at all that I am right, because it was late, and late pm's should not be accepted. After that, I would grudgingly accept. In this case, however, I have a technical advantage. I can think of everything, and do everything (though mostly stupid). With me, expect the unexpected. I'm sorry it irritated you, it would have made me irritated too if I were in your place. Technically I was not cheating (I always take advantage of the technical part of things), but you are right, it is exactly what I intended. In the current situation, based on the current rules, I would be correct.
I do not want to argue any more, since the game is already over and nothing can be amended, except my respect. You have, and are, treating me as a little brat who always cheats, insults, is selfish, etc. I may be stupid, yes, but I did not choose so.
Raymondbl:
So, for your ban.
You argued and argued and argued with me. In the process, you changed your story several times, which shows you were obviously lying on some aspects of it. At no point should you argue that much with a moderator and the host of the game. You need be able to stop and admit that you are wrong. Even if you are not. That's part of life.
The length of your ban. Until TWG XIX. The reason for such a long ban is because you argued for such a long time with invalid arguments and lying. Don't argue it any more or it'll be longer.
x.x changed story several times? lying? admit I'm wrong? You shouldn't talk about things you won't let other people prove wrong, because I had the advantage, until you threatened to ban me. But yes, I agree it's a part of life to fall victim to other people that have more power than you for not very much reason whatsoever. Which is why I prefer the physical world, because you are not extremely limited in contact and expression.
Well, if you think my arguments are invalid, you would have to keep arguing until I have no more arguments to make - I still have lots. I'm not going to argue anymore, only because of your threat. but, banned 6 (maybe five?) games, which might be around 3 months, just for arguing? And you didn't let me finish it. I just think it's very unreasonable. I don't remember reading that you get banned for arguing.
It's probably because you're a complete idiot and think your side is always right, which 99% of the time, it isn't.
But I could be over-thinking it.
Quote from: Dude on May 08, 2011, 07:00:05 PMIt's probably because you're a complete idiot and think your side is always right, which 99% of the time, it isn't.
But I could be over-thinking it.
I never read you get banned for being stupid and an idiot. Everyone thinks their side is right until it's proven wrong! It's hard to prove me wrong though. The only way to get me to lose an argument is to have tons of people bombard me (learned my lesson, won't make the mistake again), or to threaten me with a ban.
EDIT: Also, many of MG's points are invalid, though he probably won't let me post them. I can say for one though he said "No where in the OFFICIAL RULES of TWG does it say the pm must be sent during the night phase." I mean, what the heck? that's what it's about!
You argue too much. Learn to shut up and deal with it.
It's common sense though. It's not in the rules that a Seer must send in his PM at night, correct.
It's in the role description.
Maybe because you would have a negative affect on every game? I have not played or read anything that happened in this game, but if you were nice, or courteous, maybe your "arguments" will be listened to.
I was (not) surprised to see that as soon as you've been giving a warning:
Quote from: master_gamer38 on May 08, 2011, 06:49:10 PMDon't argue it any more or it'll be longer.
You immediately ruin it for yourself:
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 08, 2011, 06:55:16 PMyou would have to keep arguing until I have no more arguments to make - I still have lots.
You're obviously going to act for yourself, as any human should, but just some advice...
When things don't go your way, it's your job as a human to figure out the best mode of action.
From observing YOU, you have only taken one mode of action That was to get pissed off, argue, contradict yourself and others, break rules, and disrespect moderators.
Dude basically skipped the all this and jumped to the basic point of this post. the "Moral". I think it's an effective way of bluntly putting it.
Quote from: Dude on May 08, 2011, 07:13:18 PMYou argue too much. Learn to shut up and deal with it.
Pleaseeeee follow this advice, just let it go! It will be much better than the results of posting a long essay like I just did.
I hope you can have some self-awareness from this.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 08, 2011, 06:55:16 PMx.x changed story several times? lying? admit I'm wrong? You shouldn't talk about things you won't let other people prove wrong, because I had the advantage, until you threatened to ban me. But yes, I agree it's a part of life to fall victim to other people that have more power than you for not very much reason whatsoever. Which is why I prefer the physical world, because you are not extremely limited in contact and expression.
There was plenty of reason. You need to stop and realise this. I gave several reasons, while you continuously changed yours. I'm not going to argue this any more.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 08, 2011, 06:55:16 PMWell, if you think my arguments are invalid, you would have to keep arguing until I have no more arguments to make - I still have lots. I'm not going to argue anymore, only because of your threat. but, banned 6 (maybe five?) games, which might be around 3 months, just for arguing? And you didn't let me finish it. I just think it's very unreasonable. I don't remember reading that you get banned for arguing.
First of all. You need to learn to count. This was game 15. I banned you until 19. That's three games, not 6 or 5. It's not unreasonable when you constantly argue with false and fake logic.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 08, 2011, 07:04:03 PMI never read you get banned for being stupid and an idiot. Everyone thinks their side is right until it's proven wrong! It's hard to prove me wrong though. The only way to get me to lose an argument is to have tons of people bombard me (learned my lesson, won't make the mistake again), or to threaten me with a ban.
I proved you wrong several times through PM. I'm not going to do it again. If you're too idiotic to see that, I'm giving up hope on you. The only reason you lose an argument like that is because it takes so many people for you to realise that you're wrong and have been wrong the whole time.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 08, 2011, 06:55:16 PMEDIT: Also, many of MG's points are invalid, though he probably won't let me post them. I can say for one though he said "No where in the OFFICIAL RULES of TWG does it say the pm must be sent during the night phase." I mean, what the heck? that's what it's about!
You're retarded. I never said that as a reason. No where close even.
As a result of CONTINUED arguing even after the ban was given and a warning was said not to argue it anymore, your ban has been extended. For the foreseeable future. Until you can prove to me that you are not an idiot and can accept that you are wrong. You are permanently banned from TWG.
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^this
Also yeah the twisting words thing got on my nerves.
I'm at a loss for words xDDDDDDDD
...wow.
I... ... ... er... lol? :P
Quote from: master_gamer38 on May 08, 2011, 08:28:38 PMThere was plenty of reason. You need to stop and realise this. I gave several reasons, while you continuously changed yours. I'm not going to argue this any more.
*sigh* I never changed mine. No one will know until we post our conversation.
Quote from: master_gamer38 on May 08, 2011, 08:28:38 PMFirst of all. You need to learn to count. This was game 15. I banned you until 19. That's three games, not 6 or 5. It's not unreasonable when you constantly argue with false and fake logic.
yes, I've never learned the roman numerals or the grammar of it. The only thing I know is x = 10, v = 5, and I = 1. I must have miscounted.
Quote from: master_gamer38 on May 08, 2011, 08:28:38 PMI proved you wrong several times through PM. I'm not going to do it again. If you're too idiotic to see that, I'm giving up hope on you. The only reason you lose an argument like that is because it takes so many people for you to realise that you're wrong and have been wrong the whole time.
you cannot be sure that you have proved someone wrong until they give their share of the argument and the argument has ended. It takes so many people? Nah, it's just so many people exaggerate (like you are now) and I can't elaborate on the responses to all of them, so people takae advantage of my vague wording and twist it.
Quote from: master_gamer38 on May 08, 2011, 08:28:38 PMAs a result of CONTINUED arguing even after the ban was given and a warning was said not to argue it anymore, your ban has been extended. For the foreseeable future. Until you can prove to me that you are not an idiot and can accept that you are wrong. You are permanently banned from TWG.
Hm, would you call it arguing? On the technical side, you might be right. However, it was more of a complaint, expression of opinions, lament, etc. See? Is this China or what?
Quote from: Nakahb]Guardian[/b]: Sends in a PM to the host during the Night phase in order to guard a player from being wolfed during the Night. This saves the player.
There. During the night phase. I was right.
Now that I'm banned permanently for making a post, I have a question to ask you - would you unban me if we continued the argument and I won? You seem to think I was lying and changing my story and was arguing for no reason. Or at least let me post our PM conversation.
Raymond, SHUT THE FUCK UP.
You try to play the victim in every situation and argue using false logic and it is fucking annoying. You claim everyone hates you, when the only reason any would hate you on here is if you brought it upon yourself by being a little trolling bastard. So shut up, accept someone else is right, and be done with it. And then maybe you can get back to playing TWG with us mature folks.
Rayray's the conspiracy theorist of NSM.
Ray, he's going to wait until you mature before unbanning you; the argument is already over, so therefore you can't win.
I'm going to do something nice for you because... because I don't want the dragon to die. :'(
So yeah, I'm about to go hatch your egg and get it tons of views.
And return the favor by not arguing anymore, please? It's not going to help anyone; if anything, it can only make the situation worse.
The only way you can get unbanned is by showing mg that you are mature, but arguing does the complete opposite of that.
So. Can we make this trade? Your dragon's life for your cooperation.
If you refuse to cooperate you will have to seek TWG elsewhere. :P
Okay so since he CONTINUED arguing maybe we can get Jamaha to ban him altogether... this is incredibly annoying and I hate Raymond so much. Ugh. Arrogant AND a dumbass. Horrible combination.
I suggest we don't go that far just yet... he COULD improve. :P
I would say that too, but it looks like he isn't trying...
Lol duh, he's too arrogant to admit he's wrong
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 09, 2011, 06:40:01 AM*sigh* I never changed mine. No one will know until we post our conversation. yes, I've never learned the roman numerals or the grammar of it. The only thing I know is x = 10, v = 5, and I = 1. I must have miscounted. you cannot be sure that you have proved someone wrong until they give their share of the argument and the argument has ended. It takes so many people? Nah, it's just so many people exaggerate (like you are now) and I can't elaborate on the responses to all of them, so people takae advantage of my vague wording and twist it.
No, it's because you're a complete idiot. You fight and fight and fight. We have each given our share of the argument. You told your story, and then changed it and told it again. You're too immature to play this because you whine when someone does something different.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 09, 2011, 06:40:01 AMHm, would you call it arguing? On the technical side, you might be right. However, it was more of a complaint, expression of opinions, lament, etc. See? Is this China or what? There. During the night phase. I was right.
You. Are. An. Idiot. I never once said that it wasn't supposed to be sent in during the night phase. The only person you should be complaining about is you. You made a stupid move (and pointless one at that).
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 09, 2011, 06:40:01 AMNow that I'm banned permanently for making a post, I have a question to ask you - would you unban me if we continued the argument and I won? You seem to think I was lying and changing my story and was arguing for no reason. Or at least let me post our PM conversation.
The argument is over. It has been over. You are banned from TWG. You have no chance of being unbanned for a long time at this rate. You are so arrogant and self-centered, you cannot see that you are wrong. You need to grow up and have some maturity to play a game.
Quote from: master_gamer38 on May 09, 2011, 09:18:27 PMYou need to grow up and have some maturity to play a game.
...well, that's a first.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on May 09, 2011, 07:27:57 PMLol duh, he's too arrogant to admit he's wrong
wait, I read the rules wrong?
Quote from: master_gamer38 on May 09, 2011, 09:18:27 PMyou whine when someone does something different.
You. Are. An. Idiot. I never once said that it wasn't supposed to be sent in during the night phase. .
whining is similar to begging, which I have never done.
You. Are. An Idiot. I know you never said it wasn't supposed to be sent in during the night phase. You said it didn't
have to be in the night phase, and it does
have to be during the night phase. You are intentionally taking my meaning to mean something else. when you said I changed my story -
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 04, 2011, 07:12:18 AMYes, you're right. Him not watching the time wasn't much of a mistake, and anyone would make it, including myself, it's so easy to miss.
You thought I was saying it was a mistake in sending it late. LOL
"Him not watching the time wasn't much of a mistake" I'm saying it's a blooper - "and anyone would make it, including myself" if I were in his same position I would of made that mistake too. That is IMPOSSIBLE to misunderstand. Therefore, all your argumemts are invalid because that is what you have been saying the whole time. You have not responded to what I read the rules to be.
Yes, the argument is over (no one won). I can do nothing about it except indulge in a futile attempt for justice. I will not let people push me around.
1. what is your definition of "mature?" letting people bully you while you do nothing? Or, bully other people, like Kefka does? Or, do you have to insult people to be mature? Or, do you have to break the rules to be mature?
2. I was, and am, issuing a challenge. I am not saying I am extremely intelligent. I am saying this matter's evidence is much tipped in my favor.
If I am wrong, does that mean Nakah's words do not mean anything to you? You create a different set of rules to follow?
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on May 09, 2011, 12:03:06 PMYou try to play the victim in every situation and argue using false logic and it is fucking annoying. You claim everyone hates you, when the only reason any would hate you on here is if you brought it upon yourself by being a little trolling bastard.
you're living proof that I'm always victimized -
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on May 23, 2010, 06:23:40 AM<SFK> I miss Zeta.
<SFK> She was my best friend
<SFK> I always could ask her what things were
<kotor> Where'd she go Jamaha :(
<Raymondbl> yeah really
<SFK> YOU DON'T GET A SAY IN THIS RAYMOND!
<Raymondbl> ...
<kotor> YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT DANNY
<SFK> I'VE SEEN YOUR POSTS IN THE CHAT LOG TOPIC!
* Raymondbl cries and will never touch NSM again
<SFK> YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT HER AT ALL!
*** Raymondbl has quit (Q:- NSM Chatroom)
<kotor> DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS LARRY
<SFK> Honestly... no.
<kotor> Neither do I
<kotor> Poor kid
Quote from: Jub3r7 on May 09, 2011, 05:59:22 PMI would say that too, but it looks like he isn't trying...
I won't let people do things like this to me. I am determined not to let people be unfair to me. No bribe, unban, soft words, hard words, anything, can change my mind on this - only solid evidence that involves the rules.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMyou're living proof that I'm always victimized -
Wow, you
really can't take a joke, can you?
I want this kid banned. And just so you know Raymond, I didn't make a mistake. I saw the time. I just really wanted you dead, plus it was a stupid thing to do. Also, you're an idiot. I wish you WOULD never touch NSM again. Just...ugh.
In the NSM Rules: "Don't post messages or images about how you think another member is being rude or abusing you, please contact Concerto or Nintendude73."
http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=3222.msg98286#msg98286 (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=3222.msg98286#msg98286)
BAN THAT MOTHERFUCKER.
Edit: Actually, the entire "Don't be a jerk" rule applies to Raymond.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMQuote from: SuperFireKirby on May 23, 2010, 06:23:40 AMI miss Zeta.
Edit:
<SFK> I miss Zeta.
<SFK> She was my best friend
<SFK> I always could ask her what things were
<kotor> Where'd she go Jamaha :(
<Raymondbl> yeah really
<SFK> YOU DON'T GET A SAY IN THIS RAYMOND!
<Raymondbl> ...
<kotor> YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR ELEMENT DANNY
<SFK> I'VE SEEN YOUR POSTS IN THE CHAT LOG TOPIC!
* Raymondbl cries and will never touch NSM again
<SFK> YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT HER AT ALL!
*** Raymondbl has quit (Q:- NSM Chatroom)
<kotor> DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS LARRY
<SFK> Honestly... no.
<kotor> Neither do I
<kotor> Poor kid
I won't let people do things like this to me. I am determined not to let people be unfair to me. No bribe, unban, soft words, hard words, anything, can change my mind on this - only solid evidence that involves the rules.
You're kidding, right? It was a joke. Meant to be nothing more than an over-the-top rant past any possibility of being serious. You take everything too seriously, fo realz.
Why must you continue arguing. You did something wrong and take the punishment. Even if you think the rule is wrong doesn't mean you do not have to follow it. Trying to fight it just makes it worse. I've been banned from a game before and its really no big deal. You sit a few rounds out. It may be of benefit if you to WATCH a few games because you didn't play all that well. It also may help you grasp a better understanding for the game.
So quit while your ahead. Stop fighting everyone because it will only get you more punishment.
Can we just STOP THIS ARGUMENT NOW.
Ray, YOU TOO.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMwait, I read the rules wrong? whining is similar to begging, which I have never done.
You. Are. An Idiot. I know you never said it wasn't supposed to be sent in during the night phase. You said it didn't have to be in the night phase, and it does have to be during the night phase. You are intentionally taking my meaning to mean something else. when you said I changed my story -
You thought I was saying it was a mistake in sending it late. LOL
"Him not watching the time wasn't much of a mistake" I'm saying it's a blooper - "and anyone would make it, including myself" if I were in his same position I would of made that mistake too. That is IMPOSSIBLE to misunderstand. Therefore, all your argumemts are invalid because that is what you have been saying the whole time. You have not responded to what I read the rules to be.
Yes, the argument is over (no one won). I can do nothing about it except indulge in a futile attempt for justice. I will not let people push me around.
1. what is your definition of "mature?" letting people bully you while you do nothing? Or, bully other people, like Kefka does? Or, do you have to insult people to be mature? Or, do you have to break the rules to be mature?
2. I was, and am, issuing a challenge. I am not saying I am extremely intelligent. I am saying this matter's evidence is much tipped in my favor.
If I am wrong, does that mean Nakah's words do not mean anything to you? You create a different set of rules to follow?
you're living proof that I'm always victimized -
I won't let people do things like this to me. I am determined not to let people be unfair to me. No bribe, unban, soft words, hard words, anything, can change my mind on this - only solid evidence that involves the rules.
Just wanted to post this in case he decides to delete his post
Ray, the main reason your ban was placed was because you continued to argue.
For YOUR sake, please stop.
Quote from: askalice23 on May 10, 2011, 11:44:18 AMWhy must you continue arguing. You did something wrong and take the punishment. Even if you think the rule is wrong doesn't mean you do not have to follow it.
Hm, actually, I'm kind of complaining because I think others broke the rules. I basically have broke none, and if I had, I haven't heard any complaints. I didn't post after MG told me not to post ;D
Quote from: Dude on May 10, 2011, 10:31:54 AMIn the NSM Rules: "Don't post messages or images about how you think another member is being rude or abusing you, please contact Concerto or Nintendude73."
http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=3222.msg98286#msg98286 (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=3222.msg98286#msg98286)
BAN THAT MOTHERFUCKER.
Edit: Actually, the entire "Don't be a jerk" rule applies to Raymond.
Other people have been much more rude to me, and this was post game. I started it with MG with PMs, then in the post game it somehow just got drawn in.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on May 10, 2011, 10:19:08 AMAnd just so you know Raymond, I didn't make a mistake. I saw the time. I just really wanted you dead, plus it was a stupid thing to do.
What I did at first wasn't against the rules, even if it's stupid, no harm would come to it. So, you just wanted me dead, right? That's my definition of an unfair host. Most others would have a different opinion though.
The case is over. Slow has admitted.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 02:41:52 PMThe case is over. Slow has admitted.
Oshi.
This is court?
Well then, I'm on the jury and I say "who gives a fuck"
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 02:41:52 PMHm, actually, I'm kind of complaining because I think others broke the rules. I basically have broke none, and if I had, I haven't heard any complaints. I didn't post after MG told me not to post ;D
Other people have been much more rude to me, and this was post game. I started it with MG with PMs, then in the post game it somehow just got drawn in. What I did at first wasn't against the rules, even if it's stupid, no harm would come to it. So, you just wanted me dead, right? That's my definition of an unfair host. Most others would have a different opinion though.
The case is over. Slow has admitted.
My teacher dislikes me, that's unfair but I still have to deal with it.
I went to jail when i broke no rules.
But i still had to deal with it.
Ray.
STOP ARGUING. PLEASE.
Raymond, this is coming from me as a friend. Shut up, kindly.
Yeah, I still have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I can't argue, does it? :)
I'll shut up when Slow and Mastergamer shut up, which it looks like they have.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMwait, I read the rules wrong? whining is similar to begging, which I have never done.
First of all, wow. You are almost constantly whining with how you are being treated. You whine more than almost anyone else I know. I didn't think it was possible.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMYou. Are. An Idiot. I know you never said it wasn't supposed to be sent in during the night phase. You said it didn't have to be in the night phase, and it does have to be during the night phase. You are intentionally taking my meaning to mean something else. when you said I changed my story -
You did change your story. More on that in a moment.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMYou thought I was saying it was a mistake in sending it late. LOL
"Him not watching the time wasn't much of a mistake" I'm saying it's a blooper - "and anyone would make it, including myself" if I were in his same position I would of made that mistake too. That is IMPOSSIBLE to misunderstand.
Let us discuss your PM. You told me it was a tactic to send it in. There is no gain to send in a 'fake' pm to a host. You don't try and fool the host. That's just plain idiotic. He is running the game. If you can explain how there is any sense in sending a 'fake' pm to the host. I'll reconsider your ban.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMTherefore, all your argumemts are invalid because that is what you have been saying the whole time. You have not responded to what I read the rules to be.
Well, lets look at the rules topic more specifically. I don't see anything about the guardian having to send in the PM in the RULES section. It's in procedure. Technically it is not a rule, but more of a guideline. You made the choice to send in a PM to try and trick slow. potentially manipulating the game through the host. It's not that hard to just accept that you made a mistake in sending in a PM after the time was up (supposedly knowingly) without reason. The host is there to host the game. It's their game. You need to understand that not everything is rigidly defined, some things are just guidelines.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMYes, the argument is over (no one won). I can do nothing about it except indulge in a futile attempt for justice. I will not let people push me around.
Wow.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AM1. what is your definition of "mature?" letting people bully you while you do nothing? Or, bully other people, like Kefka does? Or, do you have to insult people to be mature? Or, do you have to break the rules to be mature?
Well, being mature means being fully developed. You were the cause of all of this. You need to be able to have humility and sarcasm for one. If you can't take being teased or understand sarcasm, you have problems. No where has a rule been broken by anyone else asides you.
Also, why the hell do you bring Kefka into posts all the time when he does not relate. Same with communist China. It's utterly pointless.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AM2. I was, and am, issuing a challenge. I am not saying I am extremely intelligent. I am saying this matter's evidence is much tipped in my favor.
Oh, so you're challenging the host and the TWC? You shouldn't do that. You weren't even supposed to play.
Quote from: Nakah on January 04, 2011, 06:57:08 PMI'm pretty sure both their bans ran out after the previous game. Either way, it's been a long ass time and this game needs to get going so all bans are hereby lifted unless you're that one douche who played a few games and no one liked him but then he left anyways and I can't remember his name so oh well his ban will stay. Other than that you're all free.
You're the douche.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMIf I am wrong, does that mean Nakah's words do not mean anything to you?
They mean plenty (see above).
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 06:37:12 AMyou're living proof that I'm always victimized -
I won't let people do things like this to me. I am determined not to let people be unfair to me. No bribe, unban, soft words, hard words, anything, can change my mind on this - only solid evidence that involves the rules.
You victimize yourself. If you had some maturity and a sense of sarcasm you'd realise this. In no way are we being unfair. You made the mistake, you argued, you receive punishment.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 02:41:52 PMHm, actually, I'm kind of complaining because I think others broke the rules. I basically have broke none, and if I had, I haven't heard any complaints. I didn't post after MG told me not to post ;D
No, you're the one that has broken rules.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 02:41:52 PMOther people have been much more rude to me, and this was post game. I started it with MG with PMs, then in the post game it somehow just got drawn in.
You argued here, that's how it was drawn in.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 02:41:52 PMWhat I did at first wasn't against the rules, even if it's stupid, no harm would come to it. So, you just wanted me dead, right? That's my definition of an unfair host. Most others would have a different opinion though.
The case is over. Slow has admitted.
Even though he wanted you dead, he was being fair to both sides. I know he accepted things late from the wolves. To be fair, he would have to accept yours as well. You being an idiot and wanting you just to be dead and out was a bonus to everyone.
Quote from: Raymondbl on May 10, 2011, 04:01:20 PMYeah, I still have to deal with it. But that doesn't mean I can't argue, does it? :)
I'll shut up when Slow and Mastergamer shut up, which it looks like they have.
I'm a moderator. I'm not going to 'shut up'. I'm going to watch and keep everything running smoothly. Also, you can argue, yes. You have that right, but there are consequences. You were told what they were before and blatantly ignored them. You are facing them now.
Dude logic is wasted on him, just give up. And yeah, "I wanted you dead" was just an FYI. You died fairly, I just wanted you out so you wouldn't mess up my TWG.
Please, stop arguing with raymond. I've convinced him to make a formal apology to everyone he's argued with, and maybe even convinced him to stop.
I noticed this topic had 4 pages, so I was initially very proud of you all and was wondering what sort of cerebral discussion you were all having.
Then I read the topic.
I am severely disappointed. :(
So anyway, I think enough is enough, so I'm going to pretend I have locking powers and pretend this topic is locked, so no one's allowed to post here anymore, okay? Okay, I'm glad we reached this consensus.