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Title: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 20, 2012, 02:53:53 PM
Role Pms are out. Night Phase ends on 1/21/2012 at 8:30 PM EST.
GOGOGO

The Doctor: Master Wolf (has seer powers)
Amy Pond: Wolf
Rory Pond: Wolf
Cyber Controller: Guardian - Cannot guard self.
Dalek Caan: Seer
Silent (Miller)
Dalek (Human)
Dalek (Human)
Dalek (Human)
Cyberman (Human)
Cyberman (Human)
Cyberman (Human)

     "Amy! Rory! You're going to have to trust me on this one!" called The Doctor.
"The only way to stop the invading forces is by befuddling them!"
     "But Doctor, how will we know each other once we've changed minds?" asked Rory.
     "We'll know each other, but the Daleks, Silence and Cybermen won't!"
     "Doctor, you'd better be right about this!" Amy yelled.
     "There's only one way to find out! GEERRRRROOONNNNIIIIIIMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" The Doctor exclaimed with a childish grin.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/RV6bbP1rZ84

1. Wrydryn
2. SuperFireKirby
3. xK-NiGhTx
4. Jub3r7
5. Slowpokemon
6. davy
7. raymondbl
8. Mashi
9. blueflower999
10. vermilionvermin
11. gzgregory
12. Dude
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: vermilionvermin on January 20, 2012, 03:06:25 PM
I didn't get one.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 20, 2012, 03:20:03 PM
You're missing some major things so far such as a list of the roles is missing along with your story.


Here the roles are in the meantime:

The Doctor: Master Wolf (has seer powers)
Amy Pond: Wolf
Rory Pond: Wolf
Cyber Controller: Guardian - Cannot guard self.
Dalek Caan: Seer
Silent (Miller)
Dalek (Human)
Dalek (Human)
Dalek (Human)
Cyberman (Human)
Cyberman (Human)
Cyberman (Human)
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 20, 2012, 03:25:38 PM
So anyone besides Verm not get a pm? I did, but just saying
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 20, 2012, 03:32:37 PM
Also I understand a fast game, but for the sake of the game, I would consider this night phase to be insanely short. Our community is notorious for being idle during a game, I'd rather risk losing a game than having a terrible one.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 20, 2012, 03:38:52 PM
It IS insanely hort. Night phase ends in 2 hours
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: vermilionvermin on January 20, 2012, 03:47:02 PM
And the seer should claim.

Night phase is too short.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: master_gamer38 on January 20, 2012, 03:48:01 PM
The night phase is way to short. It is possible that some people could entirely miss the first phase. It needs to be at least tomorrow.

Also, you need to make sure that you sent everyone PMs.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 20, 2012, 04:52:04 PM
How come it doesn't say 8:30 AM or PM.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: vermilionvermin on January 20, 2012, 05:09:40 PM
yay i got a pm
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 20, 2012, 05:12:21 PM
I got the pm too.  I'm a dalek.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 20, 2012, 05:14:24 PM
Okay, guys. I'm really sorry about this! The night phase was meant to end tomorrow, so I've edited my first post accordingly. I'm currently on my 3DS, so if a mod could edit the story and roles into my first post, I'd greatly appreciate it. Once again, I'm really sorry about not originally sending you a PM, verm. And about the insanely short night phase.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: vermilionvermin on January 20, 2012, 05:17:37 PM
It's OK.  Not like it affected the game or anything.

Guard on Raymond.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Mashi on January 20, 2012, 05:21:21 PM
20:19   Vera   "It's OK.  Not like it affected the game or anything.  Guard on Raymond."
20:19   Vera   ???
20:19   MisterSticky   raymond claimed seer
20:19   Vera   o ok
20:20   Vera   wait
20:20   Vera   "I got the pm too.  I'm a dalek."
20:20   Vera   Daleks are Humans.
20:20   MisterSticky   wait
20:20   MisterSticky   rly
20:20   Vera   Dalek Caan is Seer.
20:20   MisterSticky   dum
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: vermilionvermin on January 20, 2012, 05:21:47 PM
Apparently Dalek =/= Dalek Caan.

Guard the Dalek Caan, whoever he/she is.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Mashi on January 20, 2012, 05:23:23 PM
Wolves should wolf vermilionvermin.
If you would like to know why, Wolves, you should send me a PM and I'll send you a comprehensive explanation!
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Mashi on January 20, 2012, 05:38:14 PM
It appears that there are two Doctors in this game.
And a Doctor Roll, but he's of little importance.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: vermilionvermin on January 20, 2012, 05:41:27 PM
QuoteAnd a Doctor Roll

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2F2vdp92w.jpg&hash=f6596473de89eb7707eb653504cbf751bd3a9cbd)
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 20, 2012, 05:41:58 PM
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 20, 2012, 03:47:02 PMAnd the seer should claim.
It's me :0
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Mashi on January 20, 2012, 05:44:04 PM
Unlike the other Doctor and Doctor Roll, I have a DoctorAte.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: vermilionvermin on January 20, 2012, 05:45:10 PM
Guard K-N then.

mashi your doctor isn't even in the top five characters ever on his show

and doc gerbil totes has a doctorate
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 20, 2012, 06:46:23 PM
It IS Doc Gerbil's world.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 21, 2012, 08:37:46 PM
Vermilionvermin has been wolfed. Day phase ends on Sunday, Jan 22nd at 11:35 EST
1. Wrydryn
2. SuperFireKirby
3. xK-NiGhTx
4. Jub3r7
5. Slowpokemon
6. davy
7. raymondbl
8. Mashi
9. blueflower999
10. vermilionvermin
11. gzgregory
12. Dude
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 21, 2012, 09:07:54 PM
Interesting. Not much for the Manti rule, are these wolves?

Safety on gzgregory for now. Once some stuff happens I'll think about stuff a little more.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 21, 2012, 09:22:35 PM
This is a little odd considering what Mashi posted. So I don't really have much of an idea to go off of now. :/
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: vermilionvermin on January 21, 2012, 11:08:13 PM
I ask no forgiveness, father, for I have not sinned.  I have only done what I needed to do to survive.  A small boy once asked me if I was a bad man.  If I could answer him now, I would tell him that when I was a young boy, I killed a man to save my brother's life.  I am not sorry for this.  I am proud of this.  I did not ask for the life I was given, but it was given nonetheless, and with it, I did my best.

also wolves suk
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: davy on January 22, 2012, 03:11:24 AM
Mashi

This vote is because he wasn't wolfed, while he wouldn't be guarded (as xK allready would), although the wolves should be aware of his skill.

Also the following post is pretty interesting:
Quote from: Mashi on January 20, 2012, 05:23:23 PMWolves should wolf vermilionvermin.
If you would like to know why, Wolves, you should send me a PM and I'll send you a comprehensive explanation!

I have no idea what Mashi wanted with this, but appearantly the wolves wolf'd vermin, just the way Mashi said them.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 22, 2012, 06:07:12 AM
Quote from: Mashi on January 20, 2012, 05:23:23 PMWolves should wolf vermilionvermin.
If you would like to know why, Wolves, you should send me a PM and I'll send you a comprehensive explanation!

1.  The wolves might have wolfed Verm to make Mashi look suspicious, as we can finish Mashi off for them. They wouldn't have done any harm not wolfing Verm anyway.  Mashi could've been using this as a trap for the wolves, but no one but the stupidest of the stupid would fall for that.

2.  If Mashi was a wolf, then he is smart and experienced enough to use this as a ruse to make himself look human.

3.  If he was a wolf, it would've been a reckless/risky move to make.

done for now. 

Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 22, 2012, 07:26:44 AM
Quote from: davy on January 22, 2012, 03:11:24 AMMashi

This vote is because he wasn't wolfed, while he wouldn't be guarded (as xK allready would), although the wolves should be aware of his skill.

Also the following post is pretty interesting:
I have no idea what Mashi wanted with this, but appearantly the wolves wolf'd vermin, just the way Mashi said them.
I agree that it is kind of suspicious that Mashi told the wolves to wolf Verm and he actually was wolfed, but I'm going to give Mashi a chance to say something before I decide on who to vote for.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 22, 2012, 08:16:31 AM
Considering Mashi's skill in TWG and the type of player that he is, it would be best to just seer him the next night phase to confirm anything because it's very suspicious

So don't vote for him now and I sure we can figure out someone better to vote for later when EVERYONE goes on the IRC.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 22, 2012, 10:10:14 AM
Oh, i already seer'd Mashi.Yeah, he's a red
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 22, 2012, 10:16:08 AM
Mashi, you got some splainin to do!

1. He was seer'd red

2. Commanded the wolves to wolf Verm, which they did. Why did he even say it in the first place? To try and draw out the wolves? What was you motive?

3. Manti Rule - I don't really give much credit to it but I though I might as well point it out.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 22, 2012, 10:19:09 AM
Safety on blueflower999 until I hear what Mashi has to say.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 22, 2012, 10:52:31 AM
According to my calculations, there is a 75% chance Mashi is a wolf.  I advise everyone to lynch Mashi this phase. 

There are so many contradictions to Mashi's post about wolves pm'ing him that there was a 50/50 chance he's a wolf.  It's extremely unlikely that he's the Miller.  that brings Mashi being a wolf to >75%. 

And if you get the reference to Fi, you win.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 22, 2012, 10:53:09 AM
Also Mashi
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:16:19 AM
Mashi is playing annoying mind games that are not doing him any favors. It's ridiculous that he would be the Miller, and his little stunt about Blueflower was wolfish.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 22, 2012, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:16:19 AMMashi is playing annoying mind games that are not doing him any favors. It's ridiculous that he would be the Miller, and his little stunt about Blueflower was wolfish.
Agree, except what did he do about blueflower?  Dude safetied on Blueflower, that's about it.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
Oops I meant vermilionvermin. I always get those two mixed up in my head XD
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 22, 2012, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:20:15 AMOops I meant vermilionvermin. I always get those two mixed up in my head XD
ok :P
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 22, 2012, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:20:15 AMOops I meant vermilionvermin. I always get those two mixed up in my head XD
I fail to see how I'm similar to Verm in any way...

But that aside, for reasons explained above, I'm going to vote Mashi. It's pretty dang unlikely that he's the Miller considering what he said about Verm.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: davy on January 22, 2012, 11:27:50 AM
Ok, guys, this is going fast. Please hold off votes untill Mashi can explain himself.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:35:32 AM
I see no real reason to... when Mashi starts talking he can get himself out of a corner pretty quickly. I say lynch him before he has a chance to confuse us. Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 22, 2012, 11:55:25 AM
Then you might as well take your vote off of him if you think it is going too fast. You were one of the first people to vote Davy.

As for Mashi's statement, it does seem really likely that he is the wolf. He made the earlier statement:
Quote from: MashiWolves should wolf vermilionvermin.
If you would like to know why, Wolves, you should send me a PM and I'll send you a comprehensive explanation!

This is most likely to throw us off his tracks by playing mind games that I know he likes to play. I would also hope that the wolfs are smart enough to not pin this on him or take his advice which probably means that Mashi is using some sort of tactic. But then again, the current wolfs either don't like to read the topic, are new, or some are missing.

Best current action is to wait for Mashi. He may be the miller but then again he is very crafty and could talk himself out of a situation with ease.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: davy on January 22, 2012, 11:59:04 AM
I'm not taking off my vote because I can't wait for his defense, and I don't want to safety ppl when they might be lynched (since I cannot remove my vote from them anymore).
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 22, 2012, 01:03:15 PM
Quote from: davy on January 22, 2012, 03:11:24 AMMashi

This vote is because he wasn't wolfed, while he wouldn't be guarded (as xK allready would), although the wolves should be aware of his skill.

Also the following post is pretty interesting:
I have no idea what Mashi wanted with this, but appearantly the wolves wolf'd vermin, just the way Mashi said them.


Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 22, 2012, 10:10:14 AMOh, i already seer'd Mashi.Yeah, he's a red

Quote from: Raymondbl on January 22, 2012, 10:53:09 AMAlso Mashi

Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:16:19 AMMashi is playing annoying mind games that are not doing him any favors. It's ridiculous that he would be the Miller, and his little stunt about Blueflower was wolfish.

Quote from: blueflower999 on January 22, 2012, 11:25:01 AMI fail to see how I'm similar to Verm in any way...

But that aside, for reasons explained above, I'm going to vote
Mashi. It's pretty dang unlikely that he's the Miller considering what he said about Verm.


Sorry to say it Mashi. The risk is too high and you're very cunning.

This makes it 6/11 players now if I am correct, so it's an insta.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 22, 2012, 01:07:39 PM
oh gosh I'm being inactive sorry! D:

brb reading thread and then will probably vote mashi because apparently he was seered red?
There's a chance he could be the miller which is why I want to find out what's going on first! XD
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 22, 2012, 01:20:33 PM
Oops, insta, my vote doesn't matter. :(

After being seered red, there was a two-thirds chance of him being a wolf.

I hope you guys made the right decision.
By the way, slow, lynching somebody before they have a chance to defend themselves is a wolfish move.
Actually, multiple people did that, not just you.

I have a bad feeling about this, really.
Sure, he did something strange, but none of you gave him any time to explain what he did and why he did it.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 22, 2012, 01:25:11 PM
Yes, I don't think lynching Mashi before he could defend himself was a very good move. It never is...

Let's try to avoid insta's in the future, shall we?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 22, 2012, 02:08:24 PM
In fact, we have no clue what he was doing because of the fact that you guys killed him; it looks almost like a cover up of something.

I'm going to have to say that my top suspicions are the people that either encouraged the insta or tried to blend in with a bandwagon.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Mashi on January 22, 2012, 02:42:40 PM
Instaing before a person can even post a defence.
gj

Yes, I'm angry.

But I was busy for the past two days anyway (And I expect to be busy in the future), so I don't need to feel guilty for being inactive if I lived at least!
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Mashi on January 22, 2012, 02:50:18 PM
Also, I probably should have made a resolution about posting game-related posts after Instas before the Host posts the Insta'd Player's death.  To Suggestions, Comments, and Suggestions!
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 22, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
I-i-i-insta! Mashi has been lynched! it is now night phase. night phase ends on Jan 23 2012 @ 8:30 EST
1. Wrydryn
2. SuperFireKirby
3. xK-NiGhTx
4. Jub3r7
5. Slowpokemon
6. davy
7. raymondbl
8. Mashi
9. blueflower999
10. vermilionvermin
11. gzgregory
12. Dude
Also, I need winter or master-gamer or mashi to edit this post with the updated player list. Chat logs would also be appreciated, at least through PM if not through the thread. It would be useful in determining the MVP.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 22, 2012, 03:37:11 PM
Why don't you just post the updated player list yourself? -.-
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 22, 2012, 04:04:28 PM
I think he's having some computer problems.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 22, 2012, 04:54:39 PM
Yes. I'm currently grounded, so I can rarely access the internet outside my 3DS.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Winter on January 22, 2012, 06:54:10 PM
Just PM me if anything else is needed
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 23, 2012, 07:23:18 AM
I...
what are you doing wry ???

I really don't think that the fact that Mashi can
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:35:32 AMget himself out of a corner pretty quickly
warrants lynching him before he could post anything...

also inactive sorry.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 23, 2012, 10:17:36 AM
I think we should have waited for him to post.  If he tries to fill our minds with twisted logic, it is our job to see through it, and in this kind of a situation there isn't much he can say.  We should give everyone a fair chance.  I just didn't want a phantom for not voting, but it wouldn't have made a difference I suppose.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 23, 2012, 12:27:49 PM
I'm very sorry guys. I was just being very impulsive there and jumped the gun a bit. Last time I played with Mashi and he was a wolf, he wolfed me pretty early in the game leaving me mad after I made an alliance with him. I let my emotion get the better of me for some revenge when the opportunity presented itself even though he might've been a human. However let us not forget he was seered red.

I can also understand that it's now a source of controversy since I did throw the hammer on him. But I do feel like he was working an angle on us with that wolfing.

I hope there won't be a next time for this if I really think it through next time.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 23, 2012, 12:56:39 PM
I'd like to get everyone in IRC tonight around 5-6 PM EST if you can make it.

Remember to set your nickname too.

IRC Link (http://www.ninsheetm.us/chat/)
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 23, 2012, 06:00:38 PM
*** Dude has joined #twg
<Raymondbl> hola dude
<Dude> Hi
<Raymondbl> lol
<Raymondbl> do you think mashi should've been given a chance to defend himself?
<Dude> Yeah, I don't think we should have insta'd him as soon as we did
<Raymondbl> so are you a dalek or cyberman?
<Dude> I think cyberman
<Dude> Is that "human"?
<Raymondbl> no it's a wolf
<Raymondbl> jk
<Dude> oh
<Dude> Oh
<Raymondbl> lmao
<Dude> STOP DOING THAT
<Raymondbl> :P
<Dude> :<
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 23, 2012, 07:03:09 PM
Raymond's a big meanie.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 23, 2012, 07:20:56 PM
I lol'd. You kinda got own'd  ;D
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 23, 2012, 07:37:37 PM
Guys, always logs logs logs logs logs. People aren't always there. Sorry I wasn't there anyways I ended up just taking a nap before everyone showed up. I haven't the time to read the logs right now but I'll get around to it later.



(5:09:45 PM) NSMGuest49 [NSMGuest@shacops-3A9503D3.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] entered the room.
(5:09:51 PM) NSMGuest49: nick/ Blueflower999
(5:09:54 PM) NSMGuest49: Gah
(5:09:57 PM) NSMGuest49 is now known as Blueflower999
(5:17:16 PM) Winter: lol
(5:19:50 PM) Blueflower999: I am such a moron sometimes. I swear.
(5:34:24 PM) Winter: :P
(6:22:00 PM) Blueflower999: Where is everybody. I thought we were all meeting here at 5 or 6
(6:22:03 PM) Blueflower999: EST of course
(6:37:47 PM) NSMGuest67 [~NSMGuest6@shacops-FF5AFD8.fai.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] entered the room.
(6:37:50 PM) NSMGuest67: o
(6:37:51 PM) NSMGuest67: hai
(6:38:01 PM) NSMGuest67: play nicely, children
(6:38:24 PM) NSMGuest67 is now known as NSMGuest64
(6:38:34 PM) NSMGuest64 is now known as shadowkirby
(6:38:41 PM) shadowkirby: I MEAN IT
(6:38:46 PM) shadowkirby: NAOW
(6:38:54 PM) shadowkirby: DISCUSS SUSPICIONS GOGOGO
(6:39:08 PM) Blueflower999: Gogogo is like your signature phrase.
(6:39:16 PM) Blueflower999: Whenever I hear it I think of you XD
(6:39:52 PM) shadowkirby: It is, actually.
(6:40:11 PM) shadowkirby: "gogogo" (C) shadowkirby
(6:43:44 PM) shadowkirby left the room (quit: Q:- NSM Chatroom).
(6:48:12 PM) Winter left the room (quit: Q:- Bye.).
(7:08:51 PM) gzgregory [~chatzilla@shacops-BFD83907.vc.shawcable.net] entered the room.
(7:09:26 PM) gzgregory: Hi, anyone here?
(7:11:37 PM) Blueflower999 left the room (quit: Q:- NSM Chatroom).
(7:17:11 PM) gzgregory left the room (quit: Broken pipe).
(7:18:56 PM) gzgregory [~chatzilla@shacops-BFD83907.vc.shawcable.net] entered the room.
(7:59:21 PM) NickSERVD35016 [~NSMGuest4@shacops-FF5AFD8.fai.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net] entered the room.
(7:59:24 PM) NickSERVD35016 left the room (quit: Q:- NSM Chatroom).
(8:13:48 PM) NSMGuest55 [~NSMGuest5@8361869.CC7996D1.E08E2875.IP] entered the room.
(8:13:54 PM) NSMGuest55 is now known as Raymondbl
(8:14:01 PM) Raymondbl: hi
(8:18:39 PM) gzgregory: Sup.
(8:19:04 PM) Raymondbl: not much
(8:19:27 PM) Raymondbl: there's not much to talk about, is there?
(8:19:40 PM) Raymondbl: what'd you guys talk about in the irc chat at 4
(8:20:13 PM) gzgregory: I wasn't there
(8:20:34 PM) Raymondbl: darn
(8:21:02 PM) Raymondbl: do you think mashi should've been given a chance to defend himself?
(8:21:30 PM) gzgregory: for sure.
(8:22:01 PM) Raymondbl: same here.
(8:22:15 PM) Raymondbl: do you have any other suspects?
(8:22:30 PM) gzgregory: Not really...
(8:22:33 PM) Raymondbl: I think Wrydrn is a potential suspect
(8:22:38 PM) Raymondbl: given how he acted
(8:22:40 PM) gzgregory: well yeah, he caused the insta
(8:22:44 PM) gzgregory: also SP supported it
(8:22:53 PM) Raymondbl: wait who's sp
(8:23:45 PM) Raymondbl: in any event I think Wrydrn should be our next seering
(8:23:53 PM) gzgregory: slowpokemon
(8:23:55 PM) gzgregory: and agreed
(8:23:58 PM) Raymondbl: ooh
(8:24:12 PM) Raymondbl: also
(8:24:15 PM) Raymondbl: like two games ago
(8:24:18 PM) Raymondbl: no
(8:24:23 PM) Raymondbl: maybe 4 games ago
(8:24:28 PM) Raymondbl: I wasn't in the game, was banned
(8:24:32 PM) gzgregory: What
(8:24:34 PM) Raymondbl: and I asked you if you were the wolf our not
(8:24:36 PM) Raymondbl: and you lied
(8:24:39 PM) Raymondbl: you said you weren't
(8:24:52 PM) Raymondbl: :(
(8:25:07 PM) gzgregory: Meh
(8:25:13 PM) gzgregory: I actually don't remember that
(8:25:22 PM) Raymondbl: lol
(8:25:54 PM) Raymondbl: I wonder if Wrydrn's watching us... O.O
(8:26:15 PM) gzgregory: He'll be able to see all this when he comes back on anyway
(8:27:08 PM) Raymondbl: yeah
(8:31:04 PM) Raymondbl: so why haven't you been active lately?
(8:37:38 PM) gzgregory: I've been dealing with another twg
(8:37:44 PM) gzgregory: chatting with someone else as we speak actually
(8:37:55 PM) gzgregory: which explains why I didn't reply to you for 7 minutes
(8:38:03 PM) Raymondbl: lol no problem
(8:38:07 PM) gzgregory: also school :P
(8:38:16 PM) Raymondbl: this thing has no sound
(8:38:20 PM) Raymondbl: tinychat's way better
(8:38:31 PM) gzgregory: whatever tinychat lags my computer
(8:38:42 PM) gzgregory: so much that I can't really use it actually
(8:38:53 PM) Raymondbl: hm...
(8:39:08 PM) Raymondbl: so, do you know what holiday today is?
(8:39:51 PM) Raymondbl: it's chinese new year! :D :D :D
(8:40:06 PM) gzgregory: I know, I had chinese new year dinner last night.
(8:40:10 PM) Raymondbl: what are you in the other twg?
(8:40:11 PM) gzgregory: 'Twas awesome
(8:40:16 PM) gzgregory: It's a faction twg
(8:40:24 PM) gzgregory: I'm a seer for one of the three teams
(8:40:41 PM) gzgregory: I've kinda got a lot on my plate because I'm the one who claimed
(8:41:02 PM) gzgregory: publicly
(8:43:25 PM) Raymondbl: that sounds hard
(8:43:35 PM) Raymondbl: how does it work?
(8:43:48 PM) gzgregory: it's been pretty interesting, actually
(8:43:49 PM) Raymondbl: so three teams?
(8:43:55 PM) gzgregory: as in the TWG, or my claiming?
(8:44:06 PM) Raymondbl: so they try to eliminate the other teams?
(8:44:09 PM) Raymondbl: the TWG
(8:44:13 PM) gzgregory: yeah, pretty much
(8:44:25 PM) gzgregory: There's a team strong at night, a team strong in the day, and a 'subterfuge
(8:44:27 PM) gzgregory: ' team
(8:44:41 PM) Raymondbl: ok, I don't get it
(8:44:57 PM) gzgregory: I'll show you role list if you want
(8:44:59 PM) Raymondbl: so there's no normal lynching/wolfing?
(8:45:22 PM) gzgregory: One team has wolf powers, and there are lynchings
(8:45:24 PM) gzgregory: lemme show you
(8:45:34 PM) gzgregory: Stormcloaks
(8:45:36 PM) gzgregory: Rebellion Leader - Immune to Lynch so long as he is not the last Stormcloak alive.
(8:45:37 PM) gzgregory: Companion - May "wolf" one player each night. Vote counts for 0
(8:45:39 PM) gzgregory: Dark Brotherhood Member - May assassinate one player each night. Vote counts for 0
(8:45:41 PM) gzgregory: Rebel Mage - May discover the color of one player per night.
(8:45:42 PM) gzgregory: Imperials
(8:45:44 PM) gzgregory: King - Charismatic: Vote counts for 3
(8:45:45 PM) gzgregory: Blade - May guard one player per night from all kills / Brutal if killed in anyway
(8:45:47 PM) gzgregory: Legionnaire - May guard one player from lynch at the start of peacetime
(8:45:48 PM) gzgregory: Imperial Mage - May discover the color of one player per night
(8:45:50 PM) gzgregory: Thalmor
(8:45:51 PM) gzgregory: Justicar - May make one player's vote for the day count as -2.
(8:45:53 PM) gzgregory: Adviser - Is the color of whomever seers him.
(8:45:54 PM) gzgregory: Thief - May steal any player's ability per evening and redirect it (if desired)
(8:45:56 PM) gzgregory: Thalmor Mage - May discover the color of one player per night.
(8:45:59 PM) gzgregory: there ya go
(8:46:01 PM) gzgregory: it's based on skyrim or something so yeah
(8:46:02 PM) Raymondbl: skyrim?
(8:46:07 PM) gzgregory: lolz.
(8:46:14 PM) gzgregory: anyways I'm on blue
(8:46:18 PM) gzgregory: discussing stuff with the king
(8:46:32 PM) gzgregory: blue's imperial btw
(8:46:37 PM) Raymondbl: do you call him "your majesty?" XD
(8:46:41 PM) gzgregory: hell no :P
(8:48:22 PM) Raymondbl: hm that sounds even more complicated than davy's Yu-Gi-Oh game.
(8:48:34 PM) gzgregory: It's way less complicated believe me
(8:48:44 PM) gzgregory: xD
(8:48:52 PM) Raymondbl: do you think davy's game was complicated?
(8:49:03 PM) gzgregory: It was... oh god
(8:49:09 PM) gzgregory: I've never seen a game that complicated even on LLF
(8:49:12 PM) Raymondbl: I've played both Yu-Gi-Oh and skyrim, so I think davy's worked
(8:49:14 PM) gzgregory: which is where that game's from
(8:49:28 PM) Raymondbl: how about my version?
(8:49:33 PM) gzgregory: yours is better
(8:50:37 PM) Raymondbl: coming back to our current game, are you a dalek or cyberman?
(8:51:10 PM) gzgregory: Does it matter>
(8:51:16 PM) gzgregory: I'm cyberman but still
(8:51:46 PM) Raymondbl: hahahaa liar you wolf
(8:51:52 PM) gzgregory: yeah psh
(8:51:54 PM) Raymondbl: jk :P
(8:52:49 PM) Raymondbl: you're actually pretty good for a wolf if you were one
(8:53:15 PM) Dude [~Jamalarky@shacops-297ECF4A.woh.res.rr.com] entered the room.
(8:53:19 PM) Raymondbl: hola dude
(8:53:25 PM) Dude: Hi
(8:53:29 PM) Raymondbl: lol
(8:53:51 PM) Raymondbl: do you think mashi should've been given a chance to defend himself?
(8:54:14 PM) Dude: Yeah, I don't think we should have insta'd him as soon as we did
(8:54:32 PM) Raymondbl: so are you a dalek or cyberman?
(8:54:58 PM) Dude: I think cyberman
(8:55:06 PM) Dude: Is that "human"?
(8:55:13 PM) Raymondbl: no it's a wolf
(8:55:17 PM) Raymondbl: jk
(8:55:18 PM) Dude: oh
(8:55:20 PM) Dude: Oh
(8:55:21 PM) Raymondbl: lmao
(8:55:25 PM) Dude: STOP DOING THAT
(8:55:32 PM) Raymondbl: :P
(8:55:33 PM) Dude: :<
(8:56:31 PM) Raymondbl: who do you think the next seering should be?
(8:57:17 PM) Dude: I would guess Wry, but it might as well be anyone
(8:57:35 PM) Raymondbl: same opinion
(9:03:18 PM) gzgregory: hey raymond this is for you http://llforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6&start=855
(9:03:29 PM) gzgregory: look at that monstrosity of a twg in the first post
(9:08:28 PM) Raymondbl: sorry gotta go
(9:08:32 PM) Raymondbl: but that is a huge game
(9:08:44 PM) Raymondbl: davy's isn't as complicated as that
(9:08:49 PM) Raymondbl: see ya
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 23, 2012, 07:54:04 PM
The only complicated about that llf game is that everyone had powers. davy's game was a bit more than that. XD

Anyways, I suddenly had an idea. Everyone should claim to xK-NiGhTx as either a Dalek or a Cyberman, which are both human roles.

It's unknown if the miller is told he's a Dalek or cyberman, so you have to keep that in mind (Unless, shadowkirby, we're allowed to know this?).
Anyways, if there are more than four claims for one of the roles (excluding the guardian), then you know there's a wolf in that group of claims.

Sound like a plan?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 23, 2012, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 23, 2012, 07:54:04 PMThe only complicated about that llf game is that everyone had powers. davy's game was a bit more than that. XD

Anyways, I suddenly had an idea. Everyone should claim to xK-NiGhTx as either a Dalek or a Cyberman, which are both human roles.

It's unknown if the miller is told he's a Dalek or cyberman, so you have to keep that in mind (Unless, shadowkirby, we're allowed to know this?).
Anyways, if there are more than four claims for one of the roles (excluding the guardian), then you know there's a wolf in that group of claims.

Sound like a plan?

K, what i'm getting out of this is that you want people to tell me if they're human. Am i correct?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 23, 2012, 07:58:06 PM
Kind of.

If you look at the player list, there are three Daleks and three Cybermen, plus the miller.
I want everyone to claim to you saying whether they were told they were a Dalek or a Cyberman, since everyone's going to claim human, and there can only be 3 (or 4 with the miller) of each.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 23, 2012, 07:58:16 PM
The miller is told either dalek or cyberman.
Also, Night phase has ended. Raymondbl has been wolfed. Day phase ends sometime tommorow. most likely between 8:00 and 12:00 pm EST
1. Wrydryn
2. SuperFireKirby
3. xK-NiGhTx
4. Jub3r7
5. Slowpokemon
6. davy
7. raymondbl
8. Mashi
9. blueflower999
10. vermilionvermin
11. gzgregory
12. Dude
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 23, 2012, 08:16:01 PM
Everyone claim to k-N as the dalek or cyberman, gogogo!

also some math: d = dalek, c = cyberman, p = d + c
p = 7, since 3 (c) + 3 (d) + 1 (the miller.)

However, p =~ 5 now; After raymond and verm are wolfed, that subtracts two from p.
~ means approximately because Mashi might have been human, which would subtract one from p; if verm or raymond was the guardian, then p + 1 because then they wouldn't be subtracted form 7 in the first place.

So, after taking these bits into consideration, the roles which people claim should be kept for k-N's eyes and the guardian's eyes only; this information might help them to find the wolves, but it would also help the wolves find the guardian if it was shared publicly.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 23, 2012, 08:47:10 PM
Oh yeah, and everyone should post their top three suspicions, if not more.
Wolfy people
1. Wrydryn
Quote from: Wrydryn on January 22, 2012, 01:03:15 PMSorry to say it Mashi. The risk is too high and you're very cunning.

This makes it 6/11 players now if I am correct, so it's an insta.
2. SlowPokemon
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2012, 11:35:32 AMI see no real reason to... when Mashi starts talking he can get himself out of a corner pretty quickly. I say lynch him before he has a chance to confuse us. Just my opinion though.


Not really sure:
3. davy - First to vote Mashi but discourages insta rush; doesn't remove vote because...
Quote from: davy on January 22, 2012, 11:59:04 AMI'm not taking off my vote because I can't wait for his defense, and I don't want to safety ppl when they might be lynched (since I cannot remove my vote from them anymore).
?? ?? Please elaborate.
4. blueflower
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 22, 2012, 07:26:44 AMI agree that it is kind of suspicious that Mashi told the wolves to wolf Verm and he actually was wolfed, but I'm going to give Mashi a chance to say something before I decide on who to vote for.
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 22, 2012, 11:25:01 AMI fail to see how I'm similar to Verm in any way...

But that aside, for reasons explained above, I'm going to vote Mashi. It's pretty dang unlikely that he's the Miller considering what he said about Verm.
5. Mashi - Was seered red and told wolves to wolf vermillionvermin, but was insta'd so fast that he didn't get a chance to defend himself.
6. gzgregory - Slightly inactive, but playing two TWG's at once. Seems slightly human in chat logs.



Moderately human:
7. Dude
Quote from: Dude on January 22, 2012, 10:19:09 AMSafety on blueflower999 until I hear what Mashi has to say.
8. SuperAwesomeFireKirby - Analyzes Mashi but doesn't vote for him to wait for a defense.


Humans for obvious reasons:
9. raymondbdl
10. vermillionvermin
11. xK-NiGhTx
12. Jub3r7
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 23, 2012, 08:58:40 PM
At this stage in the game with 3 players dead I don't think it's going to do us much good with claiming.

We now have nine players with two blue roles leaving us seven other players.

Assuming Mashi was the miller and two other as lynchings. We then have 4 humans left meaning 4/7 or 5/7 (if Mashi wasn't the miller) roles as a dalek or cyberman are filled. The chance of this actually working are slim, but hey I'll still claim.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Mashi on January 23, 2012, 09:53:16 PM
TWC Post

No one claim Dalek or Cyberman because Humans shouldn't have been told their related Role to the story.  By doing so, the Humans have a way to find Wolves and perhaps find the Miller or make them easier to find.

If you've already sent a message, then I suppose it can't be helped.  This game is faulty though, if Daleks and Cybermen were told that they were either Daleks or Cybermen, rather than Humans.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 03:55:07 AM
Yes we were told. And if you didn't know that...
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Raymondbl on January 24, 2012, 06:09:01 AM
If I am not mistaken, I am allowed a death post.  Also am not sure what I am allowed to say in a death post, I hope this falls within the rules.

[Things that don't fall within the rules]

Good luck.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 24, 2012, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: Raymondbl on January 24, 2012, 06:09:01 AMblah blah blah
Quote from: Nakah5. One death post may be allowed by the person killed during the Night phase. This post must be brief, and contain no information about the game. A player who is lynched, during the Day, may not post again after they are killed.
I'll make a suspicion list later, have to go to school.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 24, 2012, 12:50:34 PM
Slow seems the most suspicious to me right now.

Hopped on the Mashi bandwagon citing his reasons as "Mashi is playing annoying mind games that are not doing him any favors." Not to mention he encouraged the insta of Mashi. Rushing an insta on a player who could prove very dangerous to the wolves? Yes, Mashi could be dangerous to the humans as well, but we should have still given him a chance to speak, something Slow seemed to be completely against doing. Wolfishness at its finest.

Davy is also a concern to me. Not wanting an insta, but doing nothing to prevent it himself? It seems kinda like he's trying to play us.

Wry also concerns me. Just the fact that he decided to make the insta a reality puts up red flags all over the place.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 01:05:11 PM
I know I put myself in a corner there, I was just still mad at Mashi for what he did last time to me. He just completely betrayed me and I took advantage of the fact that he was seer'd red and voted. I'm sorry, I don't really know what else to say. :/
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 01:19:33 PM
I realize what I did was wolfish looking back, but I still think we did the right thing. I'm right around 95% sure Mashi was a wolf. That doesn't really give a legitimate reason for doing it, but if someone acting suspicious is Seer'd red, in my experience, that doesn't typically indicate that he or she is the one human Seer'd red. I could be wrong, but I still stand by my choice. I didn't know Wry would insta, but yeah I did vote for him as he was the most suspicious and I didn't want a phantom. Because quite honestly I tend to lose track sometimes and forget I'm playing.

That's my defense. Take it or leave it.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 24, 2012, 01:26:26 PM
He said something on page 2 that made him suspicious, but we don't even know what he was doing because we killed him so fast!  >:(
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 01:40:00 PM
The way it came off to me was manipulative and mind bending. It's the way Mashi plays TWG and was looking like he was setting up for something.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 01:45:27 PM
Quote from: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 01:40:00 PMThe way it came off to me was manipulative and mind bending. It's the way Mashi plays TWG and was looking like he was setting up for something.

That was how I felt. In one TWG he was the final wolf. And I knew it. And he convinced the rest of the players to lynch me. You guys think you're too cynical and wise to fall for it, but...the guy has talent. If he actually was a human, obviously this was a bad move, but I never have any idea if he's telling the truth.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: davy on January 24, 2012, 01:50:02 PM
Yeah, Mashi is really talentfull.

That's the reason why I wanted to kill him right away, even before the seering.

And except for him, no one was really suspecious, and I gave my reasoning for keeping my vote on him allready.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: davy on January 24, 2012, 02:08:48 PM
Sorry Wrydryn

I think you're more suspecious than Slow.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: davy on January 24, 2012, 02:22:52 PM
Just realized that lynching someone who wanted Mashi,who still is likely to be a wolf dead. So I'm going to vote someone who waited for his post (way to make yourself suspecious davy)
SFK
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 24, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
Safety on Wrydryn since davy took his off. I'm still unsure though.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 02:38:26 PM
Well if we consider who was wolfed these first two nights, VermilionVermin and Raymondbl.
The first wolfing seems either like a ruse the wolfs made in order to make Mashi look suspicious or Mashi had a plan up his sleeve using reverse psychology and whatnot.
But all in all it looks like a calculated wolfing meaning that Mashi was most likely involved in this.

The second wolfing of Raymondbl seems a bit more random as he wasn't doing much in terms of hunting down a lead, he was also active in conversation but didn't point fingers at anyone other than Mashi. So Raymond didn't really do too much that would cause the wolfs to panic and wolf him.

The way it looks to me is that Mashi was leading this group of wolfs, but then once he died the two wolfs had no idea who to vote and perhaps panicked. But there is also a factor of inactivity and not having all the wolfs decide on who to go after and leading to a poor decision.

Feel free to pick at this as you want, it's food for thought.


Just want to say Dude, that seems like more of a placeholder than a safety.

And Davy, SFK was being more reasonable by not jumping on the bandwagon and actually waiting for a defense. Just a more odd vote is all.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 02:39:31 PM
Also, what are the results of the seering? It would be a great help if we could get the results.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 24, 2012, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 02:38:26 PMJust want to say Dude, that seems like more of a placeholder than a safety.
I'm not sure what that means, but ok.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 02:56:10 PM
Just me applying a stream of thoughts into that post, don't over-think it if you don't understand it because going back and reading it I barely do.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 24, 2012, 03:20:13 PM
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 23, 2012, 08:47:10 PMwas insta'd so fast that he didn't get a chance to defend himself.
Just because he was insta'd before he could say anything doesn't make it any more or less likely that he's a wolf. It's still a 3/4 chance because he was seer'd red.  ???
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 04:20:56 PM
^that's what I'm saying

Also I am not sure about Davy. I don't see why Wry is suspicious other that the same reasons I would be, and his explanations regarding his actions match my thoughts exactly. So I'm holding off on voting for him.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 24, 2012, 04:44:59 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 24, 2012, 03:20:13 PMJust because he was insta'd before he could say anything doesn't make it any more or less likely that he's a wolf. It's still a 3/4 chance because he was seer'd red.  ???
Incorrect, 2-3rds.
The Master Wolf is seered green.

And you're right, davy, Mashi is "talentfull"; he wouldn't post "hey wolves wolf vermillion vermin. message me and I'll tell you why" if he were a wolf; he would message them through pm.
You might say it was a reverse psychological deploy to make us think that he would only say something like that through pm, but we don't know what that deploy is hiding if you don't let him say anything!

In fact, if a wolf actually did pm him regarding vermillionvermin, lynching mashi really fast seems like an extremely obvious way to get rid of him so he won't reveal your identity.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 04:50:45 PM
But if that were the case then I think Mashi would be smart enough to message the seer the identify in case he died. But even if the wolf did that, they'd have to be pretty bad at the game to even think about contacting a human for information on who to wolf.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 24, 2012, 04:55:36 PM
Wry.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 24, 2012, 04:56:34 PM
Wait my bad. Charging in without thinking...sorry. No vote yet.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 24, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Do you have the Seer results, K-N?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 04:57:16 PM
Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 24, 2012, 04:55:36 PMWry.

No reasoning? What is the big hurry?

edit before posting:

Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 24, 2012, 04:56:34 PMWait my bad. Charging in without thinking...sorry. No vote yet.

Okay...
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 24, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
Oops, forgot to bold Wry.

Quote from: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 04:50:45 PMBut if that were the case then I think Mashi would be smart enough to message the seer the identify in case he died. But even if the wolf did that, they'd have to be pretty bad at the game to even think about contacting a human for information on who to wolf.
The only problem is that we can't be sure at all of what happened because of the fact that he was killed so fast.

There's a 33.33% chance that he's human because he was seered red (and if you ignore what he did), and if you take into consideration what he did, you can't really know because you didn't give him time to explain himself!
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 05:35:28 PM
This is more a safety but I feel justified in voting for gzgregory.

He's only made a total of two posts this entire game so far. His activity would seem to fit the persona of what I described earlier as an inexperienced, inactive wolf.
This is why activity is important, we have very little information on gzgregory and I honestly think he is wolfish now that I think about it.

I'm open to change this vote.



In addition to what Jub just posted:

I know, that's exactly the problem. I was just basing what I said off of your theory. I have no idea where you think I stand on the idea of PM'ing Mashi so I don't think I can properly defend myself against that.
This may also sound like a cop-out answer, but don't forget that I'm not the only who did vote for Mashi. It also sounds like everyone is pretty convinced Mashi is human, but you still need to remember that it's only a chance he is the miller. For all we know (It might sound like a stretch) it could be another one of Mashi's mind games to suggest wolfing verm and then verm does indeed get wolfed. He is cunning and manipulative.

Like I said many times, I acted on an impulse and am sorry for that. I jumped on the chance.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 05:38:56 PM
xK-Night: What are the seer results? It would be nice to have some right now. Unless you forgot to seer by chance... :/
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 24, 2012, 05:40:44 PM
I'm going to take a safety on Slow because I don't want a phantom. Yes, I am very suspicious of Wry, but I would like more information to turn up before I think of voting against him.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 24, 2012, 05:48:06 PM
Hi I'm back.

I've thought about this for a while, and I highly doubt Wry would have instad if he were a wolf. Wolves are generally much more concerned with staying unsuspicious, and somebody with experience in TWG like Wry wouldn't have done such a rash thing under normal circumstances.

I think at this point we should stop worrying about this whole instaing business, because to be perfectly honest, there's just as much in favor of the ones being accused as there is against. Mashi is indeed good at getting himself out of corners, and rash as instaing him was, I would be scared of him as a TWG player too. I think we should try to figure out why Mashi wanted Verm wolfed.

K-N, seering results?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 05:50:57 PM
Current vote count
SFK: (1) Davy
Wrydryn: (2) Dude, Jub3r7
Davy: (1) SlowPokemon
Gzgregory: (1) Wrydryn
SlowPokemon: (1) Blueflower

Still to vote: xk-knight, gzgregory, and SFK
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 24, 2012, 05:52:46 PM
Safety on blueflower I guess.

Also we should remember that Mashi's ploy could easily have been an attempt to get silly wolves to claim to him. All in all it's more likely a human thing to do than a wolfy thing.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 05:56:30 PM
Since it looks like a lot of us are online. IRC discussion now!

Remember to set your nickname too.

IRC Link (http://www.ninsheetm.us/chat/)
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 24, 2012, 05:57:29 PM
Was wondering about seering results myself.

I agree with Whirr the gzgreg should probably be removed. It could be inactivity, simple as that. But inactive players always pose a threat, since you can never really analyze them well enough to where you can be firm one way or the other, regarding their role, and a the while the can pick off players at night. It's happened several times.

Got ninja'd by greg,(and others). I don't think disregarding the insta'ing is the correct choice, though I do believe it has, for the most part, been firmly analyzed. Results: Inconclusive. But it should not be the ONLY thing analyzed, that is for sure. That is why I believe we should all head to chat to expose the liars!

In case Shado ends the day sooner than later(since he doesn't feel like giving us specific times) I think I'm going to have to vote for Slow.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 05:58:52 PM
Quote from: gzgregory on January 24, 2012, 05:52:46 PMSafety on blueflower I guess.

Also we should remember that Mashi's ploy could easily have been an attempt to get silly wolves to claim to him. All in all it's more likely a human thing to do than a wolfy thing.

Umm, what? No. Mashi doesn't think any of us are THAT stupid. I don't see how any human who wasn't just being stupid would say that.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 06:00:26 PM
I have no idea when day is ending and I don't really want to die so with that I change my vote to gzgregory. That was a weird comment and you already have a vote on you.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 24, 2012, 06:15:31 PM
Take the new players for instance.

Anyways I'm going to vote for you,SP, because you supported an insta a bit more covertly than Wry did and honestly, at this point I think Mashi was human.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 24, 2012, 06:20:43 PM
gzgregory's busy being a public seer in another game, give him a chance, please.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 06:24:19 PM
Quick log from IRC with SFK, myself, and Gzgreg

Seems like SlowPokemon is the best choice now.



(8:49:02 PM) gzgregory [~chatzilla@shacops-BFD83907.vc.shawcable.net] entered the room.
(8:49:34 PM) gzgregory: Hi I'm going to stop being inactive now. ><
(8:54:57 PM) [Wrydryn]: Heya
(8:55:07 PM) gzgregory: Okay, so...
(8:55:10 PM) [Wrydryn]: I'll call everyone in here hold o
(8:55:11 PM) [Wrydryn]: on*
(8:55:18 PM) gzgregory: Right then
(8:57:10 PM) [Wrydryn]: Alright, just posted
(8:57:45 PM) [Wrydryn]: So, as you were going to say?
(8:58:01 PM) Vera [Mibbit@shacops-8C77BED7.dyn.optonline.net] entered the room.
(8:58:57 PM) [Wrydryn]: Hi Mashi
(8:59:06 PM) gzgregory: I was going to sy
(8:59:08 PM) gzgregory: *say
(8:59:15 PM) gzgregory: Why do you think Mashi said Verm
(8:59:18 PM) Vera: im ded kant tawc!!!!!!!!!
(9:00:13 PM) SuperFireKirby [~SuperFire@FE82D388.41E1A7A5.32812BCC.IP] entered the room.
(9:00:22 PM) SuperFireKirby: ohai peoples
(9:00:23 PM) gzgregory: Talking to wry ok mashi
(9:00:27 PM) gzgregory: sup sfk
(9:00:33 PM) SuperFireKirby: wutup
(9:01:10 PM) SuperFireKirby: so gz, why the vote on blueflower?
(9:01:12 PM) [Wrydryn]: Hi there
(9:01:47 PM) gzgregory: it's called a safety
(9:01:52 PM) gzgregory: Anyways
(9:01:57 PM) gzgregory: I'm kinda unsure right now
(9:02:06 PM) gzgregory: because honestly
(9:02:14 PM) gzgregory: people who instad mashi were probably scared of him
(9:02:25 PM) gzgregory: cuz he's too pro for the rest of us
(9:02:29 PM) [Wrydryn]: I'd think so
(9:02:55 PM) [Wrydryn]: And it's also confusing to tell what is the truth and what are the lies with him
(9:03:10 PM) SuperFireKirby: o
(9:03:18 PM) SuperFireKirby: didn't see safety
(9:03:19 PM) gzgregory: Obviously you'd think so since you instad him
(9:03:22 PM) gzgregory: :P
(9:03:42 PM) [Wrydryn]: Well yah
(9:03:46 PM) [Wrydryn]: Because really
(9:04:06 PM) [Wrydryn]: With Mashi we're damned if we do lynch him and damned if we don't lynch him
(9:04:48 PM) SuperFireKirby: Rule #1 of TWG: Mashi, no matter the circumstance, is a wolf
(9:05:06 PM) [Wrydryn]: Well he was the wolf even when he was the host
(9:05:11 PM) [Wrydryn]: So yah
(9:05:16 PM) SuperFireKirby: EXACTLY
(9:06:21 PM) SuperFireKirby: Slow, to me, seems like a good candidate for wolf
(9:06:41 PM) [Wrydryn]: He does but also seems to be in a similar position to me
(9:06:51 PM) SuperFireKirby: true
(9:07:09 PM) gzgregory: You're less wolfy to me
(9:07:12 PM) SuperFireKirby: honaestly the whole thing was just a big mess
(9:07:13 PM) gzgregory: because honestly
(9:07:19 PM) gzgregory: a wolf wouldn't cause an insta directly
(9:07:21 PM) [Wrydryn]: It was a big mess
(9:07:27 PM) gzgregory: Not a skilled wolf anyway
(9:07:30 PM) gzgregory: which Wry presumably is
(9:07:45 PM) SuperFireKirby: wolves don't want to draw attention to themselves
(9:07:55 PM) [Wrydryn]: ^
(9:07:57 PM) SuperFireKirby: wry did a hell of a job at getting it
(9:08:02 PM) [Wrydryn]: Oh yes I did
(9:08:18 PM) [Wrydryn]: But what I want is the seer report
(9:08:20 PM) SuperFireKirby: that is the number one reason you're not at the top of my list
(9:08:25 PM) SuperFireKirby: because I expect from from you
(9:08:31 PM) [Wrydryn]: Well that's good to know
(9:08:40 PM) SuperFireKirby: but you and slow both are high
(9:08:42 PM) SuperFireKirby: davy too
(9:08:54 PM) SuperFireKirby: on the list, that is
(9:08:56 PM) [Wrydryn]: I would hope so though
(9:09:06 PM) [Wrydryn]: Because if I wasn't then the humans are damned
(9:09:28 PM) SuperFireKirby: but gz
(9:09:39 PM) gzgregory: ?
(9:09:40 PM) SuperFireKirby: you might want to make a definitive vote
(9:09:44 PM) gzgregory: I'll do that
(9:09:50 PM) gzgregory: When does phase end again?
(9:09:55 PM) SuperFireKirby: as who knows when sk will decide to end the day?
(9:10:08 PM) [Wrydryn]: I think he said 8-10
(9:10:14 PM) [Wrydryn]: Or was it 8-12?
(9:10:15 PM) gzgregory: Today?
(9:10:19 PM) [Wrydryn]: Yes today
(9:10:20 PM) SuperFireKirby: also, what's up with xK
(9:10:24 PM) [Wrydryn]: No idea
(9:10:33 PM) SuperFireKirby: he's active, yet he hasn't given us the seer results
(9:10:36 PM) gzgregory: I'd like to see a seering result before day ends honestly
(9:10:47 PM) gzgregory: this is just really shifty
(9:10:48 PM) [Wrydryn]: This leads me to two conclusions
(9:10:50 PM) gzgregory: eugh
(9:11:00 PM) SuperFireKirby: unless he missed putting in a pm
(9:11:05 PM) [Wrydryn]: Either the wolfs killed the real seer and he was a proxy
(9:11:18 PM) [Wrydryn]: Or he missed the pm
(9:11:31 PM) SuperFireKirby: the latter seems way more liekly
(9:11:37 PM) [Wrydryn]: Yah
(9:11:38 PM) gzgregory: I think the wolves would have picked a more skilled proxy, yes
(9:11:51 PM) [Wrydryn]: Hmm?
(9:11:57 PM) gzgregory: I think I'm going to throw a vote on SP
(9:12:59 PM) [Wrydryn]: Hmm...
(9:13:25 PM) [Wrydryn]: I think Slow would be a better choice to vote than you
(9:14:49 PM) SuperFireKirby: you might want to start being more active gz
(9:14:57 PM) [Wrydryn]: Oh, I also want to point out
(9:15:01 PM) SuperFireKirby: your a very good player and we'll nedd you to win this
(9:15:13 PM) [Wrydryn]: Kinda odd that the Manti rule isn't applying
(9:15:40 PM) [Wrydryn]: But I think I explained that in my previous post
(9:16:11 PM) gzgregory: Anyways
(9:16:16 PM) gzgregory: I have to go
(9:16:18 PM) gzgregory: Bye guys
(9:16:22 PM) [Wrydryn]: Bye
(9:16:27 PM) gzgregory: I hope we're not making the wrong decision here
(9:16:28 PM) [Wrydryn]: I'll post the log later
(9:16:30 PM) gzgregory left the room (quit: Q:- ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]).
(9:16:42 PM) [Wrydryn]: Welp
(9:17:06 PM) SuperFireKirby: jerk
(9:17:07 PM) SuperFireKirby: leaving us
(9:17:11 PM) [Wrydryn]: :(
(9:18:13 PM) [Wrydryn]: Looks like it's curtains for SP
(9:20:24 PM) SuperFireKirby: yep
(9:21:11 PM) [Wrydryn]: Alright, I'll post the log then
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 24, 2012, 07:02:41 PM
 I seer'd Slow...he's green. But this was before this day phase when ppl started claiming to me :0
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 24, 2012, 07:23:03 PM
Shadowkirby why are your day phases so short D:

Safety on Blueflower again. I'm going to rethink this.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 07:24:48 PM
Ouch. Four votes against me. Okay then.

Edit: ninja'd, down to three. I'm changing my vote to Jub as a half safety thing.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 24, 2012, 07:36:22 PM
K now that i've had time to think...and since my last seeing didn't do anything...Jub3r7
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 24, 2012, 07:41:00 PM
So slow is either a master wolf or no wolf at all; the latter might be more likely, but the former is still a possibility, too.

Also now there are two votes on me. :(


Listen, if I were a wolf, why would I have told you not to post the claims publicly with my reasoning as so the wolves won't be able to determine the guardian?

That's one thing, but slow placed a half-safety, and you usually don't bandwagon on a safety unless you're 100% sure the person is a wolf.
What's your reasoning for voting me rather than somebody else who doesn't have any votes yet? I'm human, you know.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 24, 2012, 07:59:37 PM
Ugh i can't keep track of ppl claiming! So many messages D:

K i'm going to say...Wry.

Sorry. That's my FINAL answer.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: master_gamer38 on January 24, 2012, 08:00:24 PM
Note to shadowkirby:

Day phases need to be at least 48 hours. Sometimes people cannot get on in just one day to talk to others. You also need to give a specific time on when the phase is ending. If you do not give a time players do not know how long they can discuss and end up being rushed.

As a result of the two things listed above:

I am extending the phase.

Day Two now ends at 11:00 PM EST, on Wednesday, January 25th.

If this time inconveniences you, I will count the votes and update it myself.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 24, 2012, 08:02:28 PM
I'm voting for Davy following the seering reveal.
Quote from: chatlog[19:23:37]   gzgregory   Erm.
[19:39:08]   [Wrydryn]   gzgregory
[19:39:13]   gzgregory   yes?
[19:39:45]   [Wrydryn]   What do you think
[19:39:56]   gzgregory   I... really don't know
[19:39:57]   [Wrydryn]   Should we follow xk's lead?
[19:40:14]   [Wrydryn]   He is the seer so I feel like it would be best to follow his lead
[19:40:32]   gzgregory   Huh
[19:40:35]   gzgregory   Why jub, though?
[19:40:52]   gzgregory   He provided zero reasoning for that vote.
[19:40:57]   gzgregory   I'm not sure.
[19:41:17]   [Wrydryn]   Well Slow sure as heck isn't a wolf
[19:41:25]   gzgregory   Mhm
[19:41:26]   [Wrydryn]   And I'm pretty sure you aren't
[19:41:30]   gzgregory   Kewl
[19:41:37]   gzgregory   My next suspicion was davy
[19:41:54]   [Wrydryn]   Davy is iffy
[19:41:57]   gzgregory   He said he didn't want an insta
[19:42:01]   gzgregory   But then what does he do
[19:42:05]   gzgregory   Leaves the vote on
[19:42:15]   gzgregory   And I think his reasoning is kinda not great
[19:42:17]   [Wrydryn]   Actually that's a valid point
[19:42:35]   [Wrydryn]   But we're going to get a KiTB if us two vote for Davy
[19:43:10]   gzgregory   We're just going to have to convince more
[19:43:17]   [Wrydryn]   And I need to switch my vote soon to save Slow
[19:43:26]   gzgregory   Switch to davy for now
[19:43:30]   gzgregory   Provide this log as your reasoning
[19:43:33]   gzgregory   I'll do so as well
[19:43:37]   gzgregory   We'll see what happens
[19:43:58]   [Wrydryn]   Oh derp
[19:44:01]   [Wrydryn]   I completely forgot
[19:44:11]   [Wrydryn]   Slow could be the masterwolf
[19:44:51]   [Wrydryn]   Uhm
[19:45:02]   [Wrydryn]   Now I really don't know what to think
[19:45:10]   [Wrydryn]   
[19:45:18]   gzgregory   ><
[19:45:25]   gzgregory   I think davy's a better bet than Slow though
[19:45:47]   [Wrydryn]   But we a KiTB with Jub, Slow, and Davy then
[19:45:53]   gzgregory   Eugh
[19:46:00]   [Wrydryn]   we get a*
[19:46:36]   [Wrydryn]   Hmm
[19:49:53]   [Wrydryn]   Based on what we already said I think I'm going to have to stick with Slow being the masterwolf
[19:51:34]   gzgregory   Huh.
[19:51:44]   gzgregory   That's fairly risky.
[19:52:28]   [Wrydryn]   
[19:52:40]   [Wrydryn]   But I feel less convinced on everyone else
[19:53:19]   gzgregory   I think I'm still going to vote for davy
[19:54:37]   [Wrydryn]   It's a good idea but unless we can get one more vote for davy I'd rather stick to Slow
[19:54:48]   [Wrydryn]   I don't want to risk Jub being lynched
[19:57:40]   [Wrydryn]   Try to convince Jub to vote for Davy then I guess
[19:58:14]   [Wrydryn]   pokes gzgregory
[19:58:25]   gzgregory   Hmm okay
Jub, no need to vote for Davy anymore since phase got extended and you now have only one vote on you. But it's something to think about.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 24, 2012, 08:04:01 PM
Augh u guys are confusing me with the claiming! Idk who's telling the truth. I gotta go with someone who didn't claim i guess...gzgregory

Now i'm done :( i think.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 24, 2012, 08:04:24 PM
Mashi told us not to claim! ><
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 08:13:32 PM
Changing vote to No One until we can properly discuss things.

Tomorrow let's get everyone in IRC around 5 PM EST again. If you can't make it at that time then I think we can agree to a later time.

Also xK-night, Mashi said that people claiming as a Dalek or Cyberman was invalid as a TWC decision; anybody who did or didn't claim shouldn't have anything held against them.

So things to review for tomorrow:


Remember, you should allow people to defend them self by providing reasoning in your choice to vote for them if it isn't a full safety.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 24, 2012, 08:16:17 PM
I'm extending the day phase until tommorow.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 24, 2012, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 08:13:32 PMAlso xK-night, Mashi said that people claiming as a Dalek or Cyberman was invalid as a TWC decision; anybody who did or didn't claim shouldn't have anything held against them.
It's made it a lot harder to vote. :(


Quote from: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 08:13:32 PMWhy did xk-night vote for Jub without good reason?
I was gonna do a safety, but then found that someone else voted for jub.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 24, 2012, 08:22:58 PM
Well it's not really a safety then, you're voting to lynch him. Good to know now though.

To make it easier with the claims of dalek and cyberman, I would suggest deleting all of them since you shouldn't be using them and to remove temptation. It sucks but it's the rule. :/
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 24, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
I will do that. And while i'm at it...

No vote.

NOBODY CLAIM CYBERMAN OR DALEK TO ME UNDER PUNISHMENT OF DEATH PLZ.

That is all. I will think on this more.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 24, 2012, 08:43:39 PM
Hmm. I am 99% certain Wry is human at this point.

Gzgregory also seems human.

Also Jub, note that it was a HALF safety. I'm more than a little suspicious towards you. Just saying. I still believe Mashi was a wolf and you keep defending him.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 24, 2012, 09:08:30 PM
everyone in IRC gogogo!
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 24, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
The truth is that we don't know anything about him! He was seered red? He could still be the miller. He said something suspicious? We have no effing idea what he meant or what he intended to do, and now we have even less of a clue of his role because nobody let him say anything!

I'm a little pissed you lynched him because you were afraid he was going to confuse us? If by confuse you mean for him to convince us that he's human, then you're acting like a wolf. That's what wolves do, is lynch people before they get a chance to do anything.

Because you lynched him before he said anything, I have no effing clue as to what his role is, but the way you killed him forces me to assume the worst of you, and not for him.

I really want to vote slow but my judgement /might/ be clouded by lack of sleep and rage, so I'll just change to no vote for now.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 24, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
Also, ignore my avatar, this is NOT awesome.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 25, 2012, 03:09:04 AM
Blaaah so confused!!! No vote
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 25, 2012, 06:45:55 AM
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 24, 2012, 09:59:48 PMThe truth is that we don't know anything about him! He was seered red? He could still be the miller.
But he was still a red. And the way i see it, if anyone is seer'd red, they're definately a threat.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 25, 2012, 12:20:20 PM
Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 25, 2012, 06:45:55 AMBut he was still a red. And the way i see it, if anyone is seer'd red, they're definately a threat.
Automatically assuming that he was a wolf was a mistake. The truth is, we have no idea what he was trying to accomplish, and as I said before, it was more likely a human move than a wolfy one (in my opinion anyway). And now that we don't know, we have this practically unsolvable mystery hanging over all of us.
Not great.
Blaaaaaaah davy post something.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: davy on January 25, 2012, 01:19:58 PM
something
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: davy on January 25, 2012, 01:25:14 PM
I don't feel me any bit closer to have a lynch target right now.

I think wolves wouldn't have voted Mashi if he was a wolf, because they would be lynching a fellow wolf, and I think they woulnd't have voted him if he was a human eighter, because it would make them suspecious (which is something wolves want to avoid).

So I still think that the ones not voting for Mashi are the wolves, so I'll keep my vote on SFK.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 25, 2012, 01:40:43 PM
So now you're assuming that the people who waited for him to defend himself are wolves?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 25, 2012, 01:42:01 PM
Voting davy for now. He was the first to vote Mashi, and apparently discouraged the vote rush but didn't remove his own vote.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 25, 2012, 02:04:02 PM
Letting a player defend themselves is one of the most unwolfish things someone can do davy. The only way we can assume someone who didn't vote is a wolf is to assume the Mashi was a wolf, which we can only assume because we lynched him before he could properly defend himself. We would have a much more definite answer as to whether Mashi was actually a wolf if he had actually posted.

Another reason I didn't vote for anyone on Day 1 was because Mashi got insta'd before I had the chance.

Davy
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 25, 2012, 02:04:50 PM
I'm going to change my vote to No one until I have a chance to think about this some more.
Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 25, 2012, 06:45:55 AMBut he was still a red. And the way i see it, if anyone is seer'd red, they're definately a threat.
I agree
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 25, 2012, 02:15:44 PM
Mathematically, there's still a 1/3rd chance that he's a human.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 25, 2012, 03:08:07 PM
It won't hurt us terribly in the long run if we get rid of all reds. In my opinion it was worth the risk.

I think...I'm putting my vote on Davy. His last couple posts were odd and seemed indifferent to really any situation.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 25, 2012, 03:13:30 PM
Davy

The way he's been playing has been odd. Pretty much the same reasons as above for voting for him. He has been hypocritical and I already talked to gz about this in the chat last night, feel free to look back for a better explanation.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 25, 2012, 03:20:47 PM
Davy

Hypocrisy is easily a slip up that a wolf can make. Of course, I want to give him a chance to explain this, but I've played with Davy before, and he is indeed acting a little weird this time.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 25, 2012, 03:41:05 PM
He won't have a chance to explain himself. 5/9 makes an insta. Damnit, guys.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 25, 2012, 03:46:55 PM
-___-

Really....again....did we just do that again...
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 25, 2012, 03:51:03 PM
...
*headtothefreakingdesk*
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: blueflower999 on January 25, 2012, 04:02:20 PM
AGH  >:(

Would it remove the insta if someone got rid of their vote?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 25, 2012, 04:10:02 PM
You guys gotta count! If it's one away from an insta, don't vote until you see the player's defense! D:
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 25, 2012, 04:49:12 PM
Bleh.

Just noting that reoccurring characters include Wrydryn, slow, and blueflower.  :P
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 25, 2012, 04:51:57 PM
Trying to decide who to see tonight...any suggestions?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 25, 2012, 04:58:13 PM
Any of Jub's choices seem pretty reasonable... Except Slow cuz he's already been seen so that wouldn't make any sense.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 25, 2012, 04:59:32 PM
I'd go with blueflower, personally. He did just cap off the insta.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 25, 2012, 05:15:00 PM
I honestly get the feeling he did it by accident.

I was thinking Dude, because we have approximately zero information about him.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 25, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Just thinking out loud, don't take this too seriously. Wrydryn both times essentially "capped off" (to use SFK's term) the insta--the first time actually causing the insta, the second leaving it so that if anyone hapless enough (or someone in on the setup) would vote for Davy, an insta was immediate. I mean, I also contributed to both, but I'm just saying. I'm guessing that Blueflower just didn't count the votes, and saw the points people were employing against Davy.

Also, Jub, don't act so innocent. You saw the insta before it happened and still kept your vote, right? Yah.

And Dude has been steering clear of the game, a tactic he often employs while a wolf. Of course, that's also just his style of playing, but we can't forget about him in the process of considering suspects. Similar situation for SuperFireKirby

Unless something happens after night, my main suspicions at this point are JUB3R7, SUPERFIREKIRBY, DUDE, and BLUEFLOWER. JUB3R7 is my main suspicion though, as well as BLUEFLOWER: for reasons stated below.

NOW FOR ANALYSIS:

IF WE ASSUME DAVY IS A WOLF:
Then let us assume that the wolf/wolves would not have voted for Davy. Of the eight other players, five voted for him. Let's look at who did not.
1. xK-NiGhTx - Seer.
2. gzgregory - he seems like a pretty convincing human from what I've seen in chat, but anything's possible.
3. Dude - He has been awfully low-key. Assuming that Davy is a wolf means I assume Dude is a wolf, and so was Mashi, as greg and KN are fairly convincing to me at this point.

IF WE ASSUME DAVY IS NOT A WOLF:
Then let us assume that the wolf/wolves would have voted for Davy. Of the eight other players, three people did not vote for him. Let's look at who did.
1. Jub3r7 - the one who started the voting. If I assume Davy is not a wolf, I must assume Jub3r7 is a wolf. His involvement in the game just strikes me as more than an inquisitive human at this point.
2. SuperFireKirby - the next voter. He's been playing low-key like I said earlier and comes in to vote for Blueflower based either on Jub's vote or on his own reasoning.
3. SlowPokemon - I don't like analyzing myself
4. Wrydryn - votes for Davy based on chat logs and his strange comments to Jub
5. Blueflower - basically says he knows that Davy might have a reason for hypocrisy (which I must have missed the evidence for anyway), but he doesn't want to give him a chance to explain himself. Either it's his inexperience, or he's a wolf.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 25, 2012, 05:51:18 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 25, 2012, 05:44:37 PM3. Dude - He has been awfully low-key. Assuming that Davy is a wolf means I assume Dude is a wolf, and so was Mashi, as greg and KN are fairly convincing to me at this point.
I don't see where you're getting that from, but whatevs.

But anyway, Wry, SFK, and Slow are my top three choices. I don't know where everyone goes yet, but I'll get to that when the time comes.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 25, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 25, 2012, 05:44:37 PMAnd Dude has been steering clear of the game, a tactic he often employs while a wolf. Of course, that's also just his style of playing, but we can't forget about him in the process of considering suspects.
Didn't see this. It's because if I get into the game too much, it makes me want to punch babies/forum members.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 25, 2012, 05:59:37 PM
Seems like this insta was more of an accident than anything. I really think that in order to help ourselves we should be counting the votes when we make a vote like I did earlier.
For example:
player 1 votes for player 3 with "I vote for Player 3."
player 2 votes for player 3 with "Voting for Player 3; 2 votes now against them."


Remember to read the logs too, even if you skim them they let you make an informed vote.



Dude: You have been terribly inactive, not saying anything can be just as bad as saying something incriminating. You also tend to play like this when you have a role as a wolf as well. I did see you pop into the irc for a moment when everyone had left so you're still making an effort.
You're also being very dismissive about that accusation, leading me to think that you are a possible wolf.
Please do get into the game, even if it's irc mainly, we can talk to you. But it makes the game harder when you avoid it but signed up to be active in it anyways.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 25, 2012, 05:59:45 PM
Quote from: Dude on January 25, 2012, 05:51:18 PMI don't see where you're getting that from, but whatevs.

But anyway, Wry, SFK, and Slow are my top three choices. I don't know where everyone goes yet, but I'll get to that when the time comes.

Basically I was doing a lot of assuming. I was assuming that any wolves would not have voted for him, and I don't really suspect greg or KN. So that would mean you were the other wolf, and mashi was the third.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 25, 2012, 06:09:57 PM
Quote from: Wrydryn on January 25, 2012, 05:59:37 PMYou're also being very dismissive about that accusation
This is what happens when I post! Every time I do, it sounds "dismissive" or "suspicious" or some other words that I can't think of right now! That's why I'm usually inactive-ish TWG forum-wise! I'd prefer the chatroom to this any day! If you look back at every TWG game that I was lynched, this same thing happens over and over again!

...See? I used too many "!"s which means I'm annoyed now.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 25, 2012, 06:10:47 PM
Quote from: Dude on January 25, 2012, 06:09:57 PMthis same shit happens over and over again!
Fixed for emphasis.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 25, 2012, 06:12:10 PM
Quote from: Dude on January 25, 2012, 06:09:57 PMThis is what happens when I post! Every time I do, it sounds "dismissive" or "suspicious" or some other words that I can't think of right now! That's why I'm usually inactive-ish TWG forum-wise! I'd prefer the chatroom to this any day! If you look back at every TWG game that I was lynched, this same thing happens over and over again!

...See? I used too many "!"s which means I'm annoyed now.
Hmm...sounds suspicious...

totally kidding...don't hurt meh
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 25, 2012, 06:13:08 PM
Quote from: Dude on January 25, 2012, 05:51:18 PMI don't see where you're getting that from, but whatevs.

That's what I mean, you're not even defending yourself. I'd rather have you say something and who knows, maybe if you're accused of being suspicious rather than inactive someone will come to your rescue.


For life after TWG I think you should learn to become a wordsmith.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 25, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
What's a wordsmith?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 25, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
Quote from: Wrydryn on January 25, 2012, 06:13:08 PMYou're not even defending yourself.
I shouldn't have to. I'm human.

Quote from: Wrydryn on January 25, 2012, 06:13:08 PMFor life after TWG I think you should learn to become a wordsmith.
But I hate English. ._.

Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 25, 2012, 06:16:00 PMWhat's a wordsmith?
I googled it, it's someone good with words.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 25, 2012, 06:20:58 PM
Quote from: Dude on January 25, 2012, 06:17:39 PMI shouldn't have to. I'm human.

If it were that way though the humans would be winning every game.




For future reference for you guys. If someone uses a word with -smith at the end, it usually means they're a master/skilled at that.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 25, 2012, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Wrydryn on January 25, 2012, 06:20:58 PMFor future reference for you guys. If someone uses a word with -smith at the end, it usually means they're a master/skilled at that.
I got the suffix, just wasn't thinking...i do that lots :P
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 25, 2012, 08:04:45 PM
I-i-i-insta! Davy has been lynched.

1. Wrydryn
2. SuperFireKirby
3. xK-NiGhTx
4. Jub3r7
5. Slowpokemon
6. davy
7. raymondbl
8. Mashi

9. blueflower999
10. vermilionvermin
11. gzgregory
12. Dude
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 25, 2012, 08:05:14 PM
Night phase ends within 20-ish hours.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 25, 2012, 09:43:47 PM
Be more specific please...

Anyways my suspicion is on Slow and SFK right now. Inclined to trust Wry since I've talked with him a lot and he seems to have legitimate suspicions, and Jub could not have expected his initial vote to lead to an insta.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 25, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
I can't be specific, I'm grounded and it's rare for me to have access to a computer.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: master_gamer38 on January 25, 2012, 11:58:23 PM
You need to give a specific time. Leaving people to guess ruins the game for the players. If you are unable to host I will take over fully. But for now,

Night 3 ends at 11:00 PM EST on Thursday, January 26.

shadowkirby: If you can't get on at that time, I'll do the update. Send me the player roles as well, so I can do the update in your unexpected absence. If you get on after the time that I have said, and I have not yet made the update, feel free to do it.

For all players that have to do something during the night phase, send me the PMs as well.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 26, 2012, 11:29:51 AM
Does 8:00 pm EST time work?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: master_gamer38 on January 26, 2012, 01:26:41 PM
For this time yes. Still, send me the players roles in the case of your absence.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 26, 2012, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 25, 2012, 05:44:37 PMAlso, Jub, don't act so innocent. You saw the insta before it happened and still kept your vote, right? Yah.
Wrong. XD
I /think/ I made the first vote, I saw somebody make a second vote, then I left.
I came back and he was already dead. :I
QuoteNOW FOR ANALYSIS:

IF WE ASSUME DAVY IS A WOLF:
Then let us assume that the wolf/wolves would not have voted for Davy. Of the eight other players, five voted for him. Let's look at who did not.
1. xK-NiGhTx - Seer.
2. gzgregory - he seems like a pretty convincing human from what I've seen in chat, but anything's possible.
3. Dude - He has been awfully low-key. Assuming that Davy is a wolf means I assume Dude is a wolf, and so was Mashi, as greg and KN are fairly convincing to me at this point.
Just the way these people are insta'd is making me a little worried.
I voted davy thinking he was a wolf and as being the only one to vote him at that time, I felt like he had plenty of time to defend himself. The second vote seemed harmless too.

In regards to lynching davy without him giving defense, you're more suspicious then I am. :P
You can't say "Also, Jub, don't act so innocent. You saw the insta before it happened and still kept your vote, right? Yah." when you were able to see it more than I did, having been the third person to vote for him.

QuoteIF WE ASSUME DAVY IS NOT A WOLF:
Then let us assume that the wolf/wolves would have voted for Davy. Of the eight other players, three people did not vote for him. Let's look at who did.
1. Jub3r7 - the one who started the voting. If I assume Davy is not a wolf, I must assume Jub3r7 is a wolf. His involvement in the game just strikes me as more than an inquisitive human at this point.
ASSUME I'm a wolf based on the fact that I had a suspicion on him and voted for him? :I
I know for a fact that I'm human, and you voted for me, does that make you a wolf?
According to your logic, it does, but honestly your logic sounds incredibly silly (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/extras/ps000040_4.gif).

Quote2. SuperFireKirby - the next voter. He's been playing low-key like I said earlier and comes in to vote for Blueflower based either on Jub's vote or on his own reasoning.
Eh, SFK might just be playing us but at least he's /trying/ to let people defend themselves.

Quote3. SlowPokemon - I don't like analyzing myself
Because applying your logic that you accuse others with, you'd be the top on your suspicion list. XD
Quote4. Wrydryn - votes for Davy based on chat logs and his strange comments to Jub
Strange comments to me? ??? Did I miss something?
Quote5. Blueflower - basically says he knows that Davy might have a reason for hypocrisy (which I must have missed the evidence for anyway), but he doesn't want to give him a chance to explain himself. Either it's his inexperience, or he's a wolf.
I don't know about blueflower; he did help the insta in both day 1 and day 2, but the way he voted Mashi and davy made it seem as if he wanted to see their defense.

Seering suggestions: Dude for being inactive, Wry for being wolfy, blueflower for whatever, Me to prove human, etc.
I'm probably green but there's still a chance that I'm the miller. And no I'm not the master wolf either.

I'm getting a generally human feeling from gzg and x-K's posts/from the logs but I think I'm going to read back just to make sure.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 26, 2012, 04:24:22 PM
Just to point out, Dude always plays low-key. And I mean always.

After doing some thinking, I think Blueflower most likely insta'd Davy by accident(seeing as he did want Davy to defend himself). Just an honest mistake , it seems like more than intentionally insta'ing Davy.

Listy listy list:
1. Wrydryn - insta'd Mashi 1st Day. Possibly set up Davy's insta 2nd day(as Slow mentioned). Giving me mixed feelings, as he does seem like he's trying to help the humans, but has made some poor choices.

2. SuperFireKirby - Sexy as ever.

3. xK-NiGhTx - Seer.

4. Jub3r7 - Most likely human in my opinion. Has been generally helpful. He may have started the voting on Davy, but I'm sure he(like myself) didn't intend on it becoming a total bandwagon.

5. Slowpokemon - Seer'd green. But could still be the master wolf. Which may be a possibility as he has given off very wolfy vibes. Such as pushing for Mashi's insta. Also, assuming Jub is a wolf because he voted for Davy. That mean's Jub, Me, Slow, Wry, and Blueflower are all wolves.

6. davy - Insta'd. Possibly a wolf(I think so at this point)

7. raymondbl - Wolfed. Human.

8. Mashi - Insta'd. Not sure if he was a human or wolf.

9. blueflower999 - Not sure. Did insta Davy, but once again, this seems like more of an accident than anything.

10. vermilionvermin - Wolfed. Human

11. gzgregory - Has seemed fairly human so far. Still not totes positive.

12. Dude - Not sure on you either. You haven't been all that active, so I can't really analyze you.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 26, 2012, 05:04:55 PM
night phase is now over. It is now day phase. Jub3r7 has been wolfed. day phase ends on Friday, Jan 27th at 8:00 pm EST.

1. Wrydryn
2. SuperFireKirby
3. xK-NiGhTx
4. Jub3r7
5. Slowpokemon
6. davy
7. raymondbl
8. Mashi

9. blueflower999
10. vermilionvermin
11. gzgregory
12. Dude
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 26, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
Half-safety, half-vote on Slow

(Didn't he say he was getting grounded soon anyway? Just a thought.)
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Greg on January 26, 2012, 05:31:11 PM
In any case

DO NOT BANDWAGON THIS VOTE.

Seer results?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 26, 2012, 05:54:26 PM
Oh god. My entire line of thinking has been upset.

Umm, I gave my two lines of thinking earlier, and it would appear my original one was wrong. Judging by my other line, which is possibly completely wrong because I'm playing really bad this game, the wolf would be Dude.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Jub3r7 on January 26, 2012, 06:48:27 PM
guys i hope you find out Who the wolves are!!!!
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SuperFireKirby on January 26, 2012, 07:05:35 PM
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Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 26, 2012, 07:20:10 PM
^
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: K-NiGhT on January 26, 2012, 08:22:18 PM
Quote from: gzgregory on January 26, 2012, 05:31:11 PMSeer results?
I thought master_gamer was handling it so i told him Dude, but i told shadowkirby Jub a while ago cuz i wasn't sure i completely trusted him...Jub is green.

I'm gonna go with a vote on Dude tho cuz his inactivity worries me.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 27, 2012, 03:57:27 AM
I was originally thinking that Slow could be the wolf but just don't think that's possible at this stage in the game with him being seer'd green and I would feel more comfortable voting for Dude because he is unconfirmed and is the only other person that I feel is a wolf.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 27, 2012, 04:13:15 AM
CAREFUL. We are one vote away from an insta. Nobody else vote for Dude until he has a chance to post defense. Which I have a feeling may not happen, but that doesn't matter. SFK and Blueflower, wait it out if you would.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: master_gamer38 on January 27, 2012, 09:08:15 AM
Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 26, 2012, 08:22:18 PMI thought master_gamer was handling it so i told him Dude, but i told shadowkirby Jub a while ago cuz i wasn't sure i completely trusted him...Jub is green.

I meant I would be doing the update in shadowkirby's absence. Sorry for the confusion.

Also, shadowkirby: day phases NEED to be at least 48 hours.
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 27, 2012, 10:09:25 AM
Dude, because that guy doesn't want to play anymore. :3
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Dude on January 27, 2012, 10:12:53 AM
And come next signups, can someone tell me not to join? Please?
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 27, 2012, 01:16:00 PM
Quote from: Dude on January 27, 2012, 10:09:25 AMDude, because that guy doesn't want to play anymore. :3

Quote from: Wrydryn on January 27, 2012, 03:57:27 AMI was originally thinking that Slow could be the wolf but just don't think that's possible at this stage in the game with him being seer'd green and I would feel more comfortable voting for Dude because he is unconfirmed and is the only other person that I feel is a wolf.

Quote from: xK-NiGhTx on January 26, 2012, 08:22:18 PMI thought master_gamer was handling it so i told him Dude, but i told shadowkirby Jub a while ago cuz i wasn't sure i completely trusted him...Jub is green.

I'm gonna go with a vote on Dude tho cuz his inactivity worries me.

Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 26, 2012, 05:54:26 PMOh god. My entire line of thinking has been upset.

Umm, I gave my two lines of thinking earlier, and it would appear my original one was wrong. Judging by my other line, which is possibly completely wrong because I'm playing really bad this game, the wolf would be Dude.

4/7 votes for Dude= I-i-i-i-insta!


:D
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: EFitTrainr on January 27, 2012, 01:30:12 PM
i-i-i-insta! Dude has been lynched, the game is now over. Post game coming soon. WOLVES WIN!!
Title: Re: TWG XXVI: Doctor Who
Post by: Wrydryn on January 27, 2012, 01:52:09 PM
The forces of good have defeated the evil Daleks, Cybermen, and the Silence from conquering Earth once again!

Great job SFK and Blue! (Rory & The Doctor)