TWG XXXIV: MinecraftWelcome to Minecraft, a world full of limitless possibilities! You can fight enimies, build a city, or just go on an adventure. Who am I you ask? I am the universe, I am everything you think isn't you. And today, I shall tell you a story.
Once upon a time, there was a player.
A player who's dreams created the wold around him.
And that player, is you.
Wolves:Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe
12.jake3343
Notes:
-Humans and Millers will both receive this role PM:
QuoteYou are a regular villager, but are you a Farmer, the Butcher, or the Blacksmith? Who knows?
-All items are one use only.
-Zombie must send a PM of who to infect while they are still alive, they may send as many PMs as they wish, but only the most recent before death will be used.
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CRUNCH* "OW! OW! OW! Why the heck did I spawn 4 blocks off the ground!?" said Steve as he entered this new world. He spun around to see he spawned near the edge of a forest biome, the perfect place to start an adventure. He walked up to a tree and began punching it.
"Who's there? Who said that?" Steve yelled at the mysterious voice narrating everything he did. "Stop that!"
Steve quickly gathered the wood and built a tiny shelter to hide from the voice, but to no avail.
"Who are you and why are you saying everything that happens?" a terrified Steve shouted from his small shack.
"I'm not s-scared! Just tell me who you are!"
I am the universe, I am everything you think isn't you. I narrate because I am telling a story, your story.
"Ok then, universe, what happens in my story?" Steve asked, even though he knew the universe would not tell him.
"Alright, now this narrating thing is just getting annoying."
Steve dug out from his shelter, and journeyed out of the forest to find a small NPC village.
"Uh, I'm still inside, but thanks for the tip."
Your welcome.
Deciding that the universe was definitively creepy, Steve followed its advice anyway and left the forest.
"You do know you just insulted yourself there, right? Oh well, not my fault." said Steve smugly.
He walked in silence for a while before arriving at an NPC village.
"Good day," said a testificate enthusiastically "you must be an adventurer. We love meeting travelers, you may stay here as long as you like."
"Thanks, say, did you here that voice just now?" Steve asked, hoping he wasn't just going mad.
"A voice? Are you alright in the head son? Maybe you should get some rest. It's almost night time anyway, and you don't want to be around when monsters come out"
Nervous at the though of dangerous mobs and not having any weapons, Steve accepted the NPC's offer and found a house with an extra bed and went to sleep, still wondering why he was the only one who hear the universe's story.
question,
can we send items to other players?
I am the Please. Claim to me!
Roles have sent out!
Quote from: davy on June 15, 2012, 08:59:12 AMcan we send items to other players?
Yes, if a player wishes to give another player their item, they must send me a PM of who they want to give the item to. The item cannot be used until the next phase though.
NO ONE CLAIM YET. Even though there is a guardian, there can't be any alliance leader until we are sure we have killed the zombie, which may be never. When/if we know the zombie is dead, one of the blues can claim.
What is griefing?
vigi-ing, I presume.
Quote from: jake3343 on June 15, 2012, 09:45:20 AMvigi-ing, I presume.
Based on the original game he posted, griefing and viging ARE the same.
He presumes correct. I felt the name change would help the game feel more minecrafty.
Because of the Diamond Armor, I don't think it's possible to get a 100% confirmed human, actually. If anyone remembers back to a previous TWG, there was a similar item and a wolf got it. The wolves used it on a wolf partner and wolfed him, "confirming" him as human, and everyone believed him. So let's be extra careful this time.
I'm here. Can't wait to start!
Oh, we've started. I must say, I wasn't expecting this game to start after a while.
Quote from: blueflower999 on June 15, 2012, 11:17:31 AMBecause of the Diamond Armor, I don't think it's possible to get a 100% confirmed human, actually. If anyone remembers back to a previous TWG, there was a similar item and a wolf got it. The wolves used it on a wolf partner and wolfed him, "confirming" him as human, and everyone believed him. So let's be extra careful this time.
Hah! That was bird!! Where is bird? He was such a good player!
Posting so that I don't have to navigate to this page every time.
Quote from: blueflower999 on June 15, 2012, 11:17:31 AMBecause of the Diamond Armor, I don't think it's possible to get a 100% confirmed human, actually. If anyone remembers back to a previous TWG, there was a similar item and a wolf got it. The wolves used it on a wolf partner and wolfed him, "confirming" him as human, and everyone believed him. So let's be extra careful this time.
The only real way to have a "confirmed" player in this game would be to have someone claim a role and have no one else counter claim it, but even that begins to stop working later in the game because a wolf would claim a blue role if he knows that the real person is dead.
We'll have to be extra careful with our lynchings considering that there are essentially four wolves (including the person who will become infected).
The wolves could just wait until there are 8 of us left and then infect a player. That wouldn't be good. :/
They can't infect a player whenever they want. The zombie has to be lynched.
Quote from: jake3343 on June 15, 2012, 12:44:42 PMThe only real way to have a "confirmed" player in this game would be to have someone claim a role and have no one else counter claim it, but even that begins to stop working later in the game because a wolf would claim a blue role if he knows that the real person is dead.
We'll have to be extra careful with our lynchings considering that there are essentially four wolves (including the person who will become infected).
Hahaha! That's my job! ;D only as a wolf, though...
However I'm not a wolf this game, and no wolf=no responsibility! Perfect role for this game :)
Also, I never understood this, what dies the psychic do??
No wolf = kill the right people = responsibility
Psychic knows how many wolves are left alive.
Is there a twg channel in the chat? I can't seem to find it.
/server irc.nfnet.org
/join #NSMTWG
Everyone should join this instant!
CHAT PARTY RIGHT NOW GO.
Is it announced when a Player is infected?
Please say yes. This game is quite wolf-sided as it is. The humans have to lynch four wolves in five phases, and we have no way of forming an alliance until we are sure the zombie is dead. Also, seers are pretty useless because there is a wolf painter AND two millers. A red seer tonight is still only 60% accurate (unless paintings happen before seerings, in which case it is even lower), and by night 2, a red seering vs. a green seering will mean next to nothing.
If we don't when someone as been infected, there's no way for any blues to communicate findings to anyone else without putting themselves in serious danger. I doubt the humans will be able to lynch four wolves with room for only one error without having any help from multiple blues working together.
Here's a boring activity post.
Good. I haven't missed anything.
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe
12.jake3343
Night 1 is over. Jake3343 was saved from wolfing by his Red Rose!
It is now Day 1. Day 1 ends Monday, June 18, 2012, at 11PM EST/10PM CST/9PM MST/8PM PST/7PM AST
Steve awoke to a strange murmur outside the next morning.
"I'd call it more of a clamor, but whatever."
In the square, the NPCs were in a panic.
"How many were there?"
"What did they look like?"
"Do you still want your chainsaw back?"
Steve walked up to one of them and asked what happened. "Hey, what happened here?"
"This man was attacked last night. By werewolves!" said a villager.
"They weren't werewolves you nut! He was attacked by a group of mobs who invaded the village."
The boy who was attacked, Jake3343, told the town that he survived because of the red rose he held. But the town was nervous. Knowing there was only one solution, Steve stepped forward.
"Alright everyone!" he said affirmatively, "We need to stop these attackers now before the whole town is gone. I say we find these mobs, and slay them before it's too late!"
And so the hunt began, and Steve's tale, continued to unfold.
Dearest Mashi, why did you so try to kill me?
also EVERYONE SHOULD GET IN THE CHAT AND POST MORE AND STUFF.
jake vera
jake get over here
jake why did you try to wolf me?
jake hmmmmm?
Vera Hmm?
jake you know what you did.
Vera because youre a good player duh
jake too bad I had a red rose
Vera oh nooo
jake yeah
Vera im cawt
jake that just happened
jake sorry I'm going to have to lynch you now
Vera noooooooo
jake why am I op and you're not
jake that doesn't make sense
Vera idk
Vera I logged in.
Vera But the channel didn't auto-op me.
Vera And I don't know why.
jake I'm not even logged in
Vera Oh.
jake I don't think I have a username
Vera Wrong channel, looooooool.
Vera #TWGNSM
Vera That explains a lot.
jake what
Vera That was the original channel.
Vera Which is registered.
Vera This channel isn;t.
Vera isn't*
jake Which one will other people join when I pester them to get on the chat?
Vera This one.
Vera I'll post in the topic to join the other one though.
jake ok
Vera My mistake!
jake can't we just use this one
jake less confusion
Vera No, because I'm not op in this one. :(
to sheikah:
Quote from: Mashi on June 15, 2012, 08:33:48 PMIs it announced when a Player is infected?
Jake's accusations are false, because I'm the Seer.
Discuss.
jake Vera now I have to make a huge post thanks a lot
jake be back in 234213421 hours
Zunawe Lol
Vera You're welcome.
Ok, since mashi has left me no other choice, I must say that I am the seer. I kind realized that I made it obvious to mashi that I was the seer, but he wanted me to tell everyone and I didn't want to and now he's forcing me too. What a jerk.
Anyway, Mashi is a wolf and you should all vote for him. Here's why:
1. I seer'd him red. I know that I said seers are unreliable and all (and they are), but it becomes a little bit more reliable due to point two:
2. I saw Mashi sending a message. I don't usually like to use "Who's Online" as evidence, but I think that it narrows things down quite well here. I seer'd Mashi red, and because paintings happen before seerings, Mashi must be either a wolf or a miller. Now why would a miller (who believes he is a normal human), be sending a message? Unless he can explain whom he pm'd, it's quite likely it was a wolf-related pm (in couldn't be because he's blue because it's impossible for a blue to be seer'd red at this point in the game).
3. The whole "Mashi's reaction was suspicious" thing. Mashi keeps saying this is nothing, but I disagree. Right after day 1 began, I went to the chat and asked Mashi why he wolfed me. He said "Hmmm?" followed by something like "because you're a good player" Mashi posted exact quote above. Go read them. Now, notice how at first, he does not seem to be joking around. I think that he probably hadn't seen the update (since I asked him pretty much as soon as day began, like literally less than a minute after), and didn't know that I hadn't actually died, but knew I was targeted because he's a wolf, so he thought I was postmortemly (is that a word?) asking for an explanation for why I was chosen. As soon as he realizes I'm still alive, he switches to joking-around mode.
4. Lastly, the way Mashi has been dealing with this whole situation is very, very wolf-like, like how he claimed seer just to get me to claim seer. If he were a human, why would he force the seer to out himself to everyone? He knows the dangers of zombie as we discussed in the chat last night, but he forces me to reveal myself anyway.
Mashi is clearly the best choice as to whom to vote for. Even if my evidence isn't foolproof (which is isn't, of course), Mashi is undeniably the most likely to be wolf. I seer'd him red, which means he has a 60% chance of being a wolf, which is much higher than the chance of catching a wolf if we just randomly lynch. Unless some incredibly incriminating evidence arises before tomorrow night, Mashi is the best choice for lynching.
1. Okay, this is reasonable.
2. Yes, because all PMs are related to TWG and only Wolves send PMs. You neglect to consider that I may have been PMing for reasons other than TWG (I PMed Jub3r7 today, for example) and that I may be a Human asking about Game Mechanics.
3. This isn't evidence. It's subjective and based on jake's interpretation of my behaviour. If any of you know me at all, you would know that I joke around frequently. Analysing linguistics to fit one's accord is frivolous and fallacious.
4. Vera jake, when do you plan to reveal your original suspicions of me?
jake Probably night 2
jake day 2 at the latest
Vera When do you plan to lynch me?
jake day 1
Zunawe Lol
Vera Okay, now I really can't take you seriously at all.
Zunawe I bet he votes to lynch you, but I don't know what happens after.
jake "he" and "you"
Vera I think I'm going to participate in shenanigans.
jake which is which
Vera And possibly ruin jake's plan!!!
Zunawe We're all gonna laugh so hard at the end if he's right.
Zunawe he is jake
jake I AM
Zunawe I love shenanigans. . . They're so universal.
jake vera do you think I'm a wolf
Vera Not particularly.
jake cool
Zunawe I think you're a human, jake. Not sure what to say about Vera. . . still. . .
Vera Jake, if you're going to vote for me, I'm demanding that you post your reasons in a reasonable amount of time.
jake demand denied
Zunawe Lol. What can he post? "He responded suspiciously."
jake I probably will end up posting it when people inevitably don't trust me
Zunawe Nobody's said anything about me yet. I'm curious.
jake You seem human I guess.
jake don't really have to much of an opinion
jake yet
Zunawe I guess that's fine for now.
Zunawe God I have curse! Haunter shall die for that.
Zunawe hate*
Vera ZUNAWE!
Vera Shenanigans are about to ensue.
Vera Are you prepared?
Zunawe Umm. . . what?
jake PREPARE FOR BATTLE
Zunawe Go DRATINI!
Vera http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4526.msg154155#msg154155
Zunawe Huh. . .
jake Vera now I have to make a huge post thanks a lot
jake be back in 234213421 hours
Zunawe Lol
Vera You're welcome.
jake you're still gonna be lynched though
Zunawe Lol
Vera You could just say you're the Seer and I can retract what I said.
jake I'M THE SEER
Vera hey jake should i claim seer to the thread since i think youre the seer
jake why would you
Vera Because if you're the Seer, you would no choice but to counterclaim and reveal that your primary suspicion of me was a Red seering result.
jake except it isn't
Vera Then you should have no problem revealing your primary suspicions.
Vera And when I say that, I mean Day 1 and not like 2 minutes before the Phase ends.
jake fine vera, you win, I'm the seer
Vera :o
jake what, are you being serious?
jake I wasn't
Vera ya
jake LOL GET IT
Vera ya
Vera im going to claim seer to the thread okay???
jake oh you
Yes, I am going to let you lynch me without proper evidence; that makes complete sense. Not to mention that it's probably better that we do have an alliance; we have 4 Blues, so we have to utilise their abilities to the max. If we don't, the Seer may seer Blues and therefore waste seerings, the Guardian wouldn't know whom to guard, and the Psychic would have no one to go to in order to reveal his/her results. Furthermore, by forming an alliance, there will be a group of confirmed Humans who now have a better chance of finding Wolves (since they know all the Blues). By the time the Zombie is lynched, probability states that the alliance would have served its main function by then. The Wolves also maybe wouldn't be sure of whom to target in the alliance (presuming that they infect the Seer), because they wouldn't know whom the Guardian would be guarding. Honestly, I've been thinking this Night 1; the Wolves would probably more likely infect a random Player because the alliance leader would be too obvious. But I'll go more in depth about this tomorrow, I want to finish this post and go to bed.
Now, reasons that I am Human!
1. jake was wolfed Night 1. If any of you know me at all, you would all know that I don't enjoy wolfing new or returning Players and that I don't follow the Manti Rule. Prior to his outrageous accusations (with the only reasonable one being that he seered me Red), I had come to believe that jake was adept at TWG due to his reputation in past games. I'm sort of changing my mind now, but nevertheless, the primary idea is that I wouldn't wolf jake; he's a returning Player anyway.
2. I was seered Red. "But wait, Mashi, how does this prove that you're Human?" An excellent question! Presuming that I were a Wolf, whom do you believe would be one of the most likely candidates for seering? That's right, me! And look, there's a Wolf Painter on my team! I wonder whom we're going to paint!
So I think that it's reasonable to believe that if I were a Wolf, I probably would paint myself Green.
3. I've been commenting in the chat with jake about the powers of the Zombie and that it should be revealed to the thread when a Player is infected. I haven't done so as fervently as jake, but I have done so to a reasonable extent. I would argue with the_last_sheikah just as jake did if he ruled that the infection would not be revealed, since I originally suggested when balancing the game that the Zombie should function similarly to a Brutal.
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 10:59:22 PM2. Yes, because all PMs are related to TWG and only Wolves send PMs. You neglect to consider that I may have been PMing for reasons other than TWG (I PMed Jub3r7 today, for example) and that I may be a Human asking about Game Mechanics.
Of course, my seeing you pm someone was not at all perfect evidence, I just thought that it added to my seering you red.
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 10:59:22 PM3. This isn't evidence. It's subjective and based on jake's interpretation of my behaviour.
What? Tons of evidence in twg is due to subjective analysis. In a manhunt, all of it is subjective. Unless I'm misreading something, I don't think you mean what you're saying.
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 10:59:22 PMIf any of you know me at all, you would know that I joke around frequently. Analysing linguistics to fit one's accord is frivolous and fallacious.
I know that you joke around. I'm saying that I don't think you were. I don't think I was trying to fit your words to make them match my reasoning, but of course I can never be sure. I certainly wasn't consciously doing so.
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 10:59:22 PMYes, I am going to let you lynch me without proper evidence; that makes complete sense. Not to mention that it's probably better that we do have an alliance; we have 4 Blues, so we have to utilise their abilities to the max. If we don't, the Seer may seer Blues and therefore waste seerings, the Guardian wouldn't know whom to guard, and the Psychic would have no one to go to in order to reveal his/her results. Furthermore, by forming an alliance, there will be a group of confirmed Humans who now have a better chance of finding Wolves (since they know all the Blues).
I still don't think that having an alliance would be better than none this early, but I think that the point is unrelated when discussing whether or not you're a wolf.
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 10:59:22 PM1. jake was wolfed Night 1. If any of you know me at all, you would all know that I don't enjoy wolfing new or returning Players and that I don't follow the Manti Rule. Prior to his outrageous accusations (with the only reasonable one being that he seered me Red), I had come to believe that jake was adept at TWG due to his reputation in past games. I'm sort of changing my mind now, but nevertheless, the primary idea is that I wouldn't wolf jake; he's a returning Player anyway.
I also dislike the manti rule and feel that it is stupid and should not ever be a reason to lynch someone. I don't see how your not following the manti rule would make you not wolf me, though. In fact, you might be one of the only people to consider me adept (this probably has exceptions), which would make it more likely for you to wolf me, but it seems you've changed your mind about this now. I'm not familiar with your "not wolfing returning players" policy, so I can't really say if it's true or not.
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 10:59:22 PM2. I was seered Red. "But wait, Mashi, how does this prove that you're Human?" An excellent question! Presuming that I were a Wolf, whom do you believe would be one of the most likely candidates for seering? That's right, me! And look, there's a Wolf Painter on my team! I wonder whom we're going to paint!
So I think that it's reasonable to believe that if I were a Wolf, I probably would paint myself Green.
Seerings occur before paintings, meaning that even if you did paint yourself night 1, I would still seer you red. This point is null.
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 10:59:22 PM3. I've been commenting in the chat with jake about the powers of the Zombie and that it should be revealed to the thread when a Player is infected. I haven't done so as fervently as jake, but I have done so to a reasonable extent. I would argue with the_last_sheikah just as jake did if he ruled that the infection would not be revealed, since I originally suggested when balancing the game that the Zombie should function similarly to a Brutal.
I do agree that this is not something a wolf would normally do, but I do don't it is incredibly important in determining one's role one way or another.
I don't pretend to be certain that Mashi is a wolf, but I do think that he is without a doubt the most likely candidate. Mashi said that he was sure that "we can find more suspicious characters this Phase," and if this happens, I would gladly switch my vote off Mashi. I'll still be trying to look for other alternatives to Mashi, but right now he is certainly the person most likely to be a wolf.
Oh right, I forgot about the painting bit. the_last_sheikah, Wolf Painter's power are essentially useless if his/her painting power doesn't affect a Player the Phase he/she decides to paint and the power is overpowered if it permanently paints a Player.
Also, evidence is always subjective, but not to the degree that it is for you in my case. To clarify, chances are that if a good deal of Players are able to agree that a Player is suspicious for whatever reason, the suspicion isn't subjective because there's reasonable evidence, which is objective. You're arguing about my semantics connoting suspicious behaviour. Semantics are not evidence when you simply take a perspective that matches your views to support it.
I've told you before that you were supposed to be part of TWC when it originally formed. Naturally, I would presume that you're an adept Player based on that. Furthermore, you ignored that I specifically stated that I do not follow the Manti Rule (look at any game in which I've been a Wolf and pay attention to the wolfings if you require proof) and I therefore would not wolf you based on my previous presumptions about you.
Interesting. How shenaniginiacal.
So, why was Night 1 before Day 1?
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 11:50:50 PM(look at any game in which I've been a Wolf and pay attention to the wolfings if you require proof)
Quote from: Mashi on June 16, 2012, 10:59:22 PM1. jake was wolfed Night 1. If any of you know me at all, you would all know that I don't enjoy wolfing new or returning Players and that I don't follow the Manti Rule. Prior to his outrageous accusations (with the only reasonable one being that he seered me Red), I had come to believe that jake was adept at TWG due to his reputation in past games. I'm sort of changing my mind now, but nevertheless, the primary idea is that I wouldn't wolf jake; he's a returning Player anyway.
You wolfed me night one in my first game... ::)
Oh, I think I know why we wolfed you that game, blueflower999. But it may be offensive, so I'm going to pretend that game never occurred!
And Night 1 is always before Day 1 here, Spyro.
Safety on jake for now.
By the way, I lied about the TWG Channel name, in case anyone missed it in the chatlog. Everyone should join #TWGNSM because I'm op there!
I was talking with Mashi last night at three 3:00AM and he seemed super human. But he was seer'd red and is probably the most likely wolf. I really don't know what to think about him anymore.
But I don't really want to lynch him this phase, so we have find someone better to lynch. If we can't, I guess we can lynch Mashi.
You also must remember that there are two millers. Mashi could be a good asset to the human team, but also could be very dangerous. He's very good at avoiding suspicion. Any game with Mashi is very dangerous.
By the way, I think that the Blues should claim to jake now. We have the other option to have none of the Blues claim to him (in the scenario that jake becomes infected), but there's always the chance that the Wolves will infect someone random or that they infect jake and he seered a Blue by that point. Therefore, it's in our best interest for the Blues to claim to jake because it would make his prospects of seering a Red or Green improved. Furthermore, until the Zombie is lynched, the alliance will have fewer people to suspect, since they know 3 other confirmed Humans, which will make it much easier to single out Wolves.
By the way, those with the TNT Block and Diamond Armour should claim to jake as well.
Discuss.
There have been many questions on this game, I shall answer them now.
Yes, when a player becomes infected, the infection is announced.
After a bit of thought, I have altered the painting rule so the painting goes into effect before the seering. The painting will still remain for the whole game though.
Sorry for any confusion, please enjoy the rest of the game.
Nakah claimed to me, he's the super wolf!!!!
omg thx jubert ilu
Nakah
And thanks for the clarification, the_last_sheikah!
Thanks, Sheikah! That makes this game a lot more fair.
With that clarification, I agree that the blues and those with Diamond Armor and TNT should claim to Jake. I presume that the person with Diamond Armor should claim so he doesn't get vigi'd, correct? If so, then that's a good plan. And, if the infection is announced, does that mean that the alliance will be disbanded after the infection, or not?
In terms of suspicions, I think that Jake and Mashi both have good points, and I agree with both of them. However, I think we can do better than just to suspect Mashi right off the bat. In other words, I think we can find a better suspicion with more analysis. So I'm holding off on voting for now.
Quote from: Mashi on June 17, 2012, 08:43:34 AMAnd Night 1 is always before Day 1 here, Spyro.
OK, gotcha.
Mashi being seer'd red is a little coincidental, but if I've learned anything during these past few games, it's that it is entirely possible to find a wolf right off the bat.
However, I think that Mashi might be a Miller, if he was a wolf, he'd know better to paint himself to avoid suspicion immediately.
To counter that, Mashi might also be banking on being seer'd first, and to make himself look like a miller he'd build a case for his humanity, building trust amongst the players, thereby avoiding suspicion.
I need a bit more data than finger pointing.
I think it's more likely that Mashi is a miller than a wolf now. At least my big accusation caused discussion!
Anyway, sure, everyone can claim to me. If I'm going to be the alliance leader, than the guardian should probably protect me too. Personally, I've afraid that I might become infected, but I guess we'll just have to hope that I don't. I am the most obvious target for infection so it is likely that the wolves will not choose me. Of course, now that I say that, they probably will. Except now that I say
that, they probably won't. I guess it will just be a surprise!
Quote from: the_last_sheikah on June 17, 2012, 10:40:56 AMAfter a bit of thought, I have altered the painting rule so the painting goes into effect before the seering. The painting will still remain for the whole game though.
Sorry for misinforming you! Apparently I have been thinking about paintings differently than everyone else. I think painting mechanics should be explained before the start of each game from now on.
I'll change my vote to
Zunawe for now.
Guys, we're having a TWG festival in #TWGNSM! The first 3 person to join will become ops for a day!
And someone counterclaimed Psychic to jake if that's of any interest. Not sure about why any of you would want to discuss that though.
So be in the chat by 8PM EST to discuss!!!
The rest of the Blues and Item holders should claim if they haven't already, by the way.
You guys have a great way of scheduling these things while I'm at work.
You could still come right now!
party at #nsmtwg at 8.
Be there.
THE CHANNEL IS #TWGNSM
NOT #NSMTWG
I think. Just go to the chat.
Everyone please remember to forward all PMs to me.
Quote from: the_last_sheikah on June 17, 2012, 01:24:28 PMEveryone please remember to forward all TWG related PMs to me.
I don't think you want ALL our PMs. :P
good point
zunawe I see you online
Get in the chat
Just tried both of them. You weren't there. PM me next time, I'll see it faster. I was busy with something else.
No, we're still there.
http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23NSMTWG
Safety on Mashi.
shadowkirby, you can't safety on a Player when he/she has a vote on himself/herself.
oh. Mashi.
Mashi because bandwagonning is fun!
But, with all seriousness, this'll change if anyone else does something I find suspicious. A red Seering shouldn't be too incriminatory in this game.
But what else can we go on?
Mashi. Cuz he's the Please.
Guys, stop bandwagoning. That never leads to human victory. People should start trying to come up with their own suspicions instead of just latching on to the suspicions of others!
vote staying on zunawe FOR NOW. very likely to change
ninga'd by knight. GUYS STOP VOTING FOR MASHI.
Removing my vote. Safety on jake3343
Also, we would have better suspicions if everyone claimed to me. Right now. Even if you are a human with no item, claim to me.
and k-night get in the chat.
doing homework :( sorry
So then what was the PM at 5:57:36PM EST about, K-NiGhT???
claiming to jake really quick, if you must know.
Vera K-NiGhT 06:08:07 PM Sending a message.
Vera omg
Vera the plot thickens
jake Oh wait
jake that was a message to me
Vera lol
jake lol
Okay, thanks.
Spyro and Kman: Get on the chat.
And CLAIM TO ME.
http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM
Direct link to the chat.
Mashi: He has evidence against him, and is the popular scapegoat right now. I am unsure of his position.
jake: Very, very probably a human. I trust him to be a human.
K-NiGhT: No clue as of now.
shadowkirby: I am fairly sure he's a human, but I don't have any substantial thoughts yet.
other people: I have nothing to go on.
1.MaestroUGC - I don't have any strong opinions of him at the moment, but I'm slightly leaning towards his humanity. His play style seems to be based on trying to be objective, relying on facts and behaviours, and reasonably skeptical. He's currently expressing some suspicion towards Zunawe because he seems to be hoping for something to occur, but is doing little for it to happen.
2.K-NiGhT - Not much to go off of other than that he wanted to vote for me because it was the best option at the moment. :(
3.Kman96 - I chatted with him for a bit but haven't really formed any strong opinions yet.
4.shadowkirby - I'm not sure why he safetied on me and then voted for me. When I inquired about his suspicions on me, he stated something along the lines of "I forgot" and then followed saying "Because you were Red or something". After pressuring him about a lack of evidence towards me, he eventually removed his vote.
5.Dude - He came to the chat, but I don't really have an opinion of him yet.
6.davy - Haven't chatted with him yet.
7.Spyro - Haven't chatted with him yet.
8.gzgregory - Haven't chatted with him yet.
9.blueflower999 - I've chatted with him intermittently, so my opinion of him isn't very solid, but I feel that he's adopted a "Wait for something to happen and if nothing does, vote for Mashi" mentality as Zunawe and shadowkirby had done. I feel that for these 3 Players, there suspicions of me were strengthened because they all noticed each others' suspicions of me, strengthening their response, so for that alone, I'm ambivalent towards them being Wolves (at least, not together), since I would imagine Wolves to be more organised about their suspicions.
10.Mashi - totes wuff
11.Zunawe - At the moment, I feel that he's most likely to be Wolf at the moment (though, not strongly). He's been the Player to most fervently support the notion that I'm a Wolf and his reasons for doing so are based mostly on the fact that I was seered Red. Even when I debunked his argument towards my Red seering, he adamantly stood by his position and maintained his vote for me. I'm not completely sure whether to attribute his behaviour to his unfamiliarity with TWG here, his disposition, or simply being a Wolf, so my opinion of him may be subject to change.
12.jake3343 - definitely wuff
Safety on Kman
Safety on Zunawe
Safety on K-NiGhT
Dude get in the chat.
Kaaaay
TWC POST
jake vera
gzgregory Shouldn't Mashi be able to see deleted posts
Vera Yes?
Winter No
jake zunawe deleted one of his posts
LATER
Vera I'm going to post this in the topic.
jake Unless I'm going crazy, I think the post was between these two posts:
jake http://i45.tinypic.com/2hfpbbm.png
Vera And let the_last_sheikah decide on whether to Phantom.
By the way, Players in the chat (myself included) have confirmed that Zunawe deleted his post in which he voted for me.
Safety on Spyro.
Ok, I think it's time for me to explain a lot of things.
First off, I did not get two psychic claims. That was a lie made up by Mashi and me just to see people's reactions and spark conversation. It didn't really work too well.
I have received claims from everyone except davy. He lives in a different timezone than most of us so it is unlikely that he'll get on before day ends. Oh well.
Thankfully, I have not received any counter claims for any blue roles or any items. This could change when davy claims, but it likely won't. Because of this, we will have to lynch one of the people that claimed normal human. Sorry, but it likely that the wolves are hiding in these claims.
I narrowed it down as best I can, and I think the best choice for lynching tonight is blueflower999. I'm not entirely sure if he's a wolf, but at this point in time, I think he is the most likely.
Everyone switch their votes to blueflower please.
Wait, hold on. I fail to see the logic hear. "He claimed human, so that means he's a prime candidate for a wolf." ...What?
And also, I know you're the Seer and a confirmed human and all, but does that really mean that you can TELL everyone who to vote for? Sure, you can suggest people, which is fine, but ordering people to vote for me kinda sounds unfairly bossy.
22:13jake "stop using process of elimination and being the alliance leader"
22:13jake blueflower's argument summarized
blueflower999
Jake believes that you're suspicious because you bandwagoned on me and didn't change your vote afterwards, furthermore adding that you didn't seem to be trying to find Wolves.
Furthermore, although I agree that I don't necessary enjoy the 'obey the leader' mentality, I deem it necessary at points to do so in TWG in order to create harmony. If jake simply suggested to lynch someone, few people would listen. If Humans don't all cooperate, something like the KitBs of last game would occur again. In addition, simply because jake wants to lynch you doesn't mean that you're dead already. He's given you a full day to defend yourself, which is an adequate amount of time.
Anyway, everyone, have a few votes on blueflower999, but be sure not to Insta him in case something comes up by tomorrow.
OK, so I wanted to add a few things to the above post. It was kind of made in haste. This is what I meant to say:
Yes, there ARE times when you should tell everyone to vote for someone else, in my opinion. A long time ago, one player actually TOLD ME that he was the wolf. (No joke.) Obviously, I told everyone to vote for him, and he was lynched. And he wasn't joking. That's a good situation to tell everyone to vote for someone else. However, in this case, I don't feel like you have adequate evidence against me to vote against me in any form except for a safety, much less command everyone else to do the same! Yes, I did bandwagon on the vote to Mashi, but I've behaved similarly in past games when the first day phase comes and I don't have anything concrete to stand on yet! It seems that every TWG game that I play when I'm human (which I've been every time but once so far), there's always something that I do that makes people suspect me, and I've done it in several games before when I was perfectly human! Besides, Zunawe, K-Night, and Shadowkirby also voted for Mashi. Not to shift the accusations onto any of them, but what puts me any more suspicious than them? If it was because of my inactivity in the chat, I apologize.
Remember, you were the one who said that, essentially, the humans have to lynch 4 wolves in 5 phases, right? More people have claimed human than 5! How are you expecting to win the game by lynching people only because they claim human? It doesn't seem to be making sense to me.
All the blues have been claimed by only a single person. Why would somebody let a wolf take their role? That means that all wolves are faking humans, so it's the only group to lynch. It's not because we're human, but because it's where the wolves are.
Oh look. a forum. Hmmmmm....
judging by what
I would do as a wolf,
jake seems the most likely candidate. and about that seer claim, idk...but Jake's attempt to pull everyone's strings...
Quote from: jake3343 on June 17, 2012, 07:06:42 PMEveryone switch their votes to blueflower please.
just seems pretty wolfish to me. and I'm a great wolf. (remember, that when I'm human, I DON'T lie, unless I am misinformed)
NON-TWC POST!
Just a reminder that posts in The Werewolf Game shouldn't be deleted or edited, as stated in the rules!!!
Considering nobody else counter-claimed seer, and nobody died, I see reason to believe that he's the real seer.
As such I think it'd be prudent to follow his judgement. Personally I didn't find Blue all that suspicious originally, but his bandwagoning and attempts to get the target off of him by putting it on others, is pretty wolfish.
blueflower999, let the dogs feed themselves.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on June 17, 2012, 07:39:53 PMattempts to get the target off of him by putting it on others, is pretty wolfish.
Quote from: blueflower999 on June 17, 2012, 07:23:01 PMBesides, Zunawe, K-Night, and Shadowkirby also voted for Mashi. Not to shift the accusations onto any of them, but what puts me any more suspicious than them? If it was because of my inactivity in the chat, I apologize.
Ok, your point?
Just because you're saying something contrary, doesn't mean you're not doing it.
Regardless of whether or not you're trying to, you're still pointing the finger ot those three in an attempt to save yourself.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on June 17, 2012, 07:46:10 PMOk, your point?
Just because you're saying something contrary, doesn't mean you're not doing it.
Regardless of whether or not you're trying to, you're still pointing the finger ot those three in an attempt to save yourself.
Well, I can't really argue against that. What I INTENDED to do was to find out what set me apart from them. What made me different from the other 3 that did the same thing. Apparently that difference was removing my vote from Mashi. Which I can understand the reasoning of.
In other words, I'm understanding why you guys are accusing me. Which is good. I hate being lynched when I don't even know why I'm being suspected. But what's still annoying me is when I'm lynched for something I've done in past games and have been shown to be a human, just like I am here. You can look back on previous games if you want, and I'm pretty sure that in most day 1 phases I don't have any decent, solid votes unless in the rare occurance that someone did something stupid or I was the Seer. This is practically the same way.
Mashi was Seered red. His defense for that was, "If I were a wolf, I would have painted myself green." That seems to scream "set-up" to me, as if he purposefully didn't paint himself green so he could argue that. And I know that Mashi would do something like that because he's a very clever player and an even better arguer. I think he has you all convinced that he's human with that defense. It just hasn't convinced me yet. That's all. Again, it's not the strongest suspicion I've ever had, but it's enough so that I'm leaving my vote on him for now.
Oh my goodness, what is all of this madness.
First off, blueflower. Your defense is not very strong. Even if you're human it's quite weak. First off, lynching from the pool of normal human claims is the only way we will find a wolf. There is one guardian claim. There is one psychic claim. There is one Steve claim. There is one claim for having the tnt and one claim for having the diamond armor. Naturally, it is safe to assume that these people are all telling the truth because no one has contradicted their story (the only way this could happen is if davy claims blue, only time will tell). I have seven normal human claims. Once davy claims, that number will likely by eight. There are only five normal humans in the game. It's pretty obvious that the wolves have all claimed normal human. Therefore, I tried to sift through all of the claims and select the person who I think is most likely to be a wolf. That person is you. I'm not sure that you're a wolf, I wouldn't even say that I'm confident, but based on what I have seen out of you and the other human claims, I think that you are the most likely.
Kman, I don't even know what to say to you, so I guess I'm just not going to say anything.
Back to blueflower:
Quote from: blueflower999 on June 17, 2012, 07:23:01 PMYes, I did bandwagon on the vote to Mashi, but I've behaved similarly in past games when the first day phase comes and I don't have anything concrete to stand on yet! It seems that every TWG game that I play when I'm human (which I've been every time but once so far), there's always something that I do that makes people suspect me, and I've done it in several games before when I was perfectly human!
I don't really know of any of your past performances, so sorry if I am a little ignorant of your playing style. I'll try to read a few of the games that you were in, but this isn't a strong enough defense for me to change my mind at the moment.
Quote from: blueflower999 on June 17, 2012, 07:23:01 PMRemember, you were the one who said that, essentially, the humans have to lynch 4 wolves in 5 phases, right? More people have claimed human than 5! How are you expecting to win the game by lynching people only because they claim human? It doesn't seem to be making sense to me.
In a perfect world, we would have 5 days to lynching someone and 5 candidates for lynching; however, that would also be quite a boring world. Of course we might lose; there's no way to play this game without there being a way for us to lose. I'm trying to pick the best method of killing all of the wolves, and that involves lynching you because I think that with all the current evidence, you are most likely to be a wolf.
Zunawe: Did you even read the rules? Rule 3 says that you cannot edit or delete your posts. You did both of those. Sorry, but I think you're going to receive two phantoms.
Also, don't insta blueflower please. We still have another day to discuss.
I'm new to the game, and I forgot about that. I didn't memorize the rules, and I apologize for deleting my post. When I was told to retract my vote I thought it would be easier to just delete the post.
All that was on the post was the name "Mashi" in bold. The vote no longer stands.
Vote:blueflower
Besides guys, if Jake is wrong, it won't be a big deal, then we can just narrow it down again.
Of course it would be a big deal. We could possibbly be one step closer to losing because we lost another human. Why wouldn't you think it's a big deal, Spyro?
He's just saying that if we lynch wrong today, the game won't be over. I guess you could argue that lynching wrong is a big deal, but I don't think he was trying to say that is doesn't matter if we lynch wrong, only reassuring that we can still win if we do.
Quote from: jake3343 on June 18, 2012, 11:38:52 AMHe's just saying that if we lynch wrong today, the game won't be over. I guess you could argue that lynching wrong is a big deal, but I don't think he was trying to say that is doesn't matter if we lynch wrong, only reassuring that we can still win if we do.
it ALWAYS matters when you lynch wrong. you lose another player that would help sort out the wolves, and the only thing a wrong lynching helps is a wolf victory. all the wolves should be shaking their heads.
...now i'm getting a pretty good idea of who the wolves might be...
Did I ever say it wasn't a big deal? I just said that I thought k-night was misinterpreting what Spyro meant.
Also, in case you didn't know, I'm the confirmed seer. Everyone has had a chance to counterclaim me and no one has. Saying that I am a wolf only makes you look like a fool.
Quote from: jake3343 on June 18, 2012, 01:10:21 PMDid I ever say it wasn't a big deal? I just said that I thought k-night was misinterpreting what Spyro meant.
Also, in case you didn't know, I'm the confirmed seer. Everyone has had a chance to counterclaim me and no one has. Saying that I am a wolf only makes you look like a wolf.
Fixed so it's less mean. And I don't think Kman ever accused you of being a wolf, jake.
Well, he voted for me, so I'm pretty sure he thinks I'm a wolf.
Also, I'm still not entirely sure if blueflower is the person to lynch. Due to a calender-checking mishap, I actually thought day ended last night, and my post saying to lynch blueflower was supposed to be somewhat final. But I'm glad that we have an extra day to discuss, because it gives more of a chance for blueflower to defend himself, which he has done.
I'm becoming increasingly more suspicious of Maestro. Discuss.
Woah, where did this come from?
sounds like it's #twgnsm time!
I'll be back later, work and what not.
davy you should get on the chat too. Everyone should!
Direct link: http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM
I'd like to, but it's 23:25 in my time zone, and I have to go to school tomorrow, so I can't.
Nearly forgot to vote.
Safety on davy
Quote from: davy on June 18, 2012, 02:37:46 PMNearly forgot to vote.
Safety on davy
What's this "safety" thing?
Quote from: Spyro on June 18, 2012, 03:52:47 PMWhat's this "safety" thing?
If you safety, it simply means that you do not know who to vote for/don't have any suspicions strong enough to place a normal vote, so a Safety is the solution when one puts a vote on someone who doesn't have a vote on him/her yet. It's just meant to avoid getting a phantom.
Safety on gzgregory.
I think a vote for Maestro might be best, but I don't think I'm going to vote for him until I get a chance to talk to him.
Unless you guys don't want a player analysis, send me the PMs and chat logs for this game, I know I don't have all of them, and I would like to see them.
chat party gogogogo.
Blueflower.
ugh. I am really torn about whom to vote for. I am very suspicious of both Maestro and Blueflower, but I don't think they could be wolves together. I'm pretty one of them is a wolf and the other one isn't, but I every time I think I've figured out which one is a human, I second guess myself and change my opinion. I guess my gut is saying that Maestro is a wolf, but most other people seem to think that it's blueflower.
I guess I'll decide to vote for blueflower. Sorry if I'm wrong, blue!
Blueflower
I feel like he's as good a candidate as anybody right now.
Dude what are you doing online but not in the chat?
Sorry, had to take a shower, brt
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe P
12.jake3343
Day 1 is over. Blueflower999 was Lynched!
It is now Night 2. Night 2 ends Tuesday, June 19, 2012, at 11PM EST/10PM CST/9PM MST/8PM PST/7PM AST
Zunawe was awarded a phantom for post deletion/editing.
Plan for tonight: Guard should be on me to make sure the wolves don't try to kill me again. Also, I'll be seering MaestroUGC tonight because I still think he might be a wolf. Everyone else can do nothing I guess.
Quote from: blueflower999 on June 18, 2012, 03:56:58 PMIf you safety, it simply means that you do not know who to vote for/don't have any suspicions strong enough to place a normal vote, so a Safety is the solution when one puts a vote on someone who doesn't have a vote on him/her yet. It's just meant to avoid getting a phantom.
Hm. I've never heard of that. I've heard of No Lynches though.
What's a phantom?
And what role was blueflower anyway? All I see is his name crossed out.
You get a Phantom for not voting during the day phase or breaking a rule. It is worth .01 of a vote, 3 Phantoms = death and 1 game ban.
Roles are not revealed when a player dies.
Most of this is in the rules, so I would advise you to look over them.
Quote from: the_last_sheikah on June 19, 2012, 05:46:39 AMYou get a Phantom for not voting during the day phase or breaking a rule. It is worth .01 of a vote, 3 Phantoms = death and 1 game ban.
Roles are not revealed when a player dies.
Most of this is in the rules, so I would advise you to look over them.
OK, thanks.
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe P
12.jake3343
Night 2 is over. Dude was Wolfed!
It is now Day 2. Day 2 ends Thursday, June 21, 2012, at 11PM EST/10PM CST/9PM MST/8PM PST/7PM AST
Omg i was wolfed before I could have been lynched!
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
everyone to the chat to discuss!
http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM
Everyone should come to the chat.
Because fun.
K-NiGhT (K-NiGhT@NF-50C98237.dr01.lmrs.ia.frontiernet.net) has joined #TWGNSM
K-NiGhT Lol?
K-NiGhT Great discussion.
Vera Yaaaay.
|<-- K-NiGhT has left irc.nfnet.org (Quit: K-NiGhT)
wuff
K-NiGhT
On what grounds, might i ask?
idk mebbe u shud joyn da chatroom???
not that its like important or anything
safety on Maestro
I finaly have time to analyze the game!
Jake, who did you seer last night phase. If it was a blue or red result (unless it was someone from the alliance who was seer'd) I think you shoul reveal it to the topic.
That being said, I am suspicious of three people at the moment:
Kman: for voting for Jake, although he knew he was the alliance leader and he did not post any reason why Jake would be lying about being the seer.
Mashi: Being seer'd red (although he said he would be painted, I'd think the wolf team would paint the wolf with the best power not the most experienced wolf. Not to mention that in an earlier game verm didn't paint himself and was therefore not lynched untill the end of the game), and joking in a chat with Jake. Usually when you joke you make a lot of spelling mistakes to reveal that you are actually joking.
Gregory: hasn't posted much, and the only times he did post, were activity posts, a safety and a bandwagon. He seems to me like a wolf who's trying to be under the radar.
I'm going to give these players time to respond to this post before voting, but be a little fast with responding plz, because I want to go to bed early today.
Safety on Spyro
Can't really argue about the Red seering since you simply don't believe that I would have painted myself. The only thing that I can really say is that vermilionvermin and I have different playing styles. When jake asked me "Why did you try to wolf me?", I responded with a reflexive "Hmm?" reflecting confusion. People don't generally ask that question, so I wasn't whether he was being and seered me Red or saw me responding/viewing a PM during the Night Phase, etc. I was reasonably confident that he was wolfed and survived, however (asking a random Player about why he/she wolfed someone isn't the first idea to come to mind when a dead Player wants to know the Wolves), so I humoured him. Notice that after the "Hmm?", my grammar died. I wonder why!
Anyway, I've learnt from experience that analysing syntax generally isn't a good idea unless it's something colossally major. Trying to interpret the intricate semantics of one phrase isn't going to be a reasonable amount of information to scrutinise over.
And are they the only people you're suspicious of, davy?
No, they're not the only ones, but at the moment they are the most suspicious ones.
Also, the only grammar mistake I could find in: because youre a good player duh, is that you wrote youre instead of you're.
And that there was no capitalisation.
So I've had a chat with Jake this evening (it's allready evening in my timezone), which Jake should be posting atm. He brought to the light that K-Night was a very likely candidate of being a wolf.
Therefor K-Night
Quote from: davy on June 21, 2012, 01:15:47 PMSo I've had a chat with Jake this evening (it's allready evening in my timezone), which Jake should be posting atm. He brought to the light that K-Night was a very likely candidate of being a wolf.
Therefor K-Night
Jake is to lazy to post the chat.
Quote21:32 jake davy!
21:32 jake hi
21:33 jake davy do you think that k-night is a wolf?
21:33 jake i was thinking about it but I'm not really sure
21:35 davy He might be
21:35 davy I don't think he is an as likely wolf as the three that I allready suspected
21:36 jake ok.
21:36 jake so you think kman is most likely?
21:37 jake because I thought kman and k-night were defending each other quite a bit, so if kman is a wolf I think k-night is probably one too
21:37 davy Let me check that
21:37 jake hold on I'll find the page
21:38 jake page 8
21:38 jake k-night tries to pull attention onto spyro for a pretty ludicrous reason
21:39 jake I call k-night out on it and kman defends him
21:39 jake then I call kman out and k-night defends /him/
21:39 jake seems pretty strange, right?
21:41 davy Well, I allready said that Kman is acting strange.
21:41 davy K-night on the other hand might have missed Kman's vote on you
21:41 davy because he voted on you on another page
21:41 jake they have been partnering themselves together quite a bit
21:42 jake so if kman's a wolf, wouldn't that make k-night a wolf too?
21:42 davy However, I have to say that his vote on Spyro was kinda ridicilous
21:42 jake I know, right?
21:42 jake And then kman defended the vote for him
21:42 jake why would kman, being a wolf, defend someone else's dumb vote?
21:42 jake unless the other person was a wolf
Removed a part.
21:46 jake as the psychic revealed to me, blueflower was a human, so kman was trying to save blue, but rather was trying to defend k-night
21:47 jake which would make k-night seem like a wolf
21:47 davy But, than K-Night was defending a human too.
21:47 davy He didn't vote for Blueflower at that moment
21:48 jake right, but he didn't really care about killing blue, he was just trying to bring suspicion onto more players
21:49 jake If more people are found to be suspicious, then that means we waste more day phases lynching those people instead of killing k-night and kman
21:50 davy However, wouldn't it be a bit stupid to take the players' focus to other players when a human is about to be insta'd?
21:51 jake no, because I said that I didn't want to insta blue before that post
21:51 davy Yes, but you were going to lynch him anyway.
21:52 jake no, I wasn't. He was one of my top choices, but I said that I was willing to change my mind
21:52 davy It'd be more likely that votes would be spread over Blueflower and Spyro, and that one of them would actually be lynched.
21:52 jake k-night could have been thinking "hey, jake might change his mind to me! I'll frame spyro to sway him towards that"
21:53 jake that, in addition to partnering with kman is enough to make him seem like a wolf to me
21:53 davy but prior to that he hadn't done anything suspicious.
21:54 jake why are so you adamant that k-night is human?
21:55 davy I am not, when people are saying to me why they think a player is a wolf I'm going to ask them as much as possible to see how much evidence they have.
21:56 davy Unless I too thought earlier that that player was a wolf.
21:56 davy I've definatly become suspicious of K-Night now.
21:56 davy A top 3 of most likely wolves for me would now be: 1 Kman, 2 K-Night, 3 Mashi
21:57 jake hmmmmm ok
21:58 davy I think I've actually lost a conversation with winter in which I was defending Verm, while I didn't know if he was a human or a wolf
21:58 davy with lost I mean, I don't have it in my posession anymore
21:58 jake ohh
21:58 jake also, not only do we have to find the wolves
21:58 jake but we have to determine which one in the zombie
21:58 davy That'll be very dificult
21:59 jake I've been thinking about how the zombie might act differently from the other wolves
21:59 jake which is very hard!
21:59 davy I don't think he acts really different.
22:00 jake I think that the zombie might act a little bit more flamboyant than the others
22:00 davy The only thing I can think about is that he won't defend himself as much as other wolves, because he knows there'll be another wolf when he's lynched
22:00 davy let's go to translate
22:00 jake right
22:00 jake translate?
22:01 davy Bijvoeglijk naamwoord. Kleurrijk, colourfull, flamboyant
22:01 davy I'm dutch in case you didn't noticed
22:01 jake oh
22:01 jake flamboyant means showy or bold
22:01 jake if that helps
22:02 davy Bijvoeglijk naamwoord. opzichtig, flashy, showy, garish, ostentatious, gaudy, conspicuous
22:02 davy something like that?
22:02 jake yes
22:03 jake so if the wolf trio were k-night, kman and mashi
22:03 jake who do you think the zombie would be?
22:04 davy I actually think mashi would have a good chance of being the zombie.
22:04 davy Than he'd have a reason for not painting himself
22:04 davy Also, it'd give Kman a reason to vote for you
22:05 davy I'd make him suspicious after which he could have infected you.
22:05 jake but mashi has been defending himself quite a bit, and you said that you thought the zombie wouldn't defend himself very much
22:06 davy Yeah, that's why I actually think Kman would be a more likely zombie.
22:06 davy but if he is the zombie, we should wait till he's the only wolf left.
22:07 jake I was thinking it might be kman too
22:08 jake hmmm if kman is the zombie, then we should probably lynch k-night today, right?
22:08 jake He seems like the most suspicious
I have announcements to make, but to inspire activity I'll say them in the chat tonight at 9pm!
"B THERE OR BE A QUADRILATERAL"
- Vera
I voted for Spyro because he didn't care that a possible human was about to be lynched. Then Kman voted for jake for idk why and I just figured that he had to have known jake was the seer, but honestly, that is the most obvious wolf move i've ever seen, looking back. F me for trying to be a nice person, I guess.
I was in the chat, davy! Also my internet cut out for a couple of days.
Also, K-N, besides the reasons given by everyone else, Kman is probably our best candidate for zombie!
K-NiGhT
It's been said already. He was suspicious in multiple ways, so I see him as the best candidate as of now.
chat party gogogogo
http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM
Everyone except Zunawe and Maestro is a quadrilateral.
Anyway, what I was going to say in the chat: the wolves are kman, k-night, and davy. All we have to do now is figure out which one is the zombie.
I'm not a fucking wolf.
Chill bro. They caught ya.
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 21, 2012, 06:51:58 PMChill bro. They caught ya.
Wtf are you talking about? I'm not a wolf, or the zombie, or anything else. I'm a freaking human.
But I'm glad you all believe me when I tell the truth -_-
K-Night
You've been antagonistic towards jake since the start of the game. I have no idea what you were trying to do, but it seems that you're trying to usurp control of this game. I doubt he's the zombie, that position strikes me as one where you'd want to stay in the background. I would vote for Kman, who I suspect might be the painter, but K-Night is a bigger threat for unity amongst the humans.
That said, a seering for Kman is much needed at this juncture.
I ran into some real life trouble in the last passed hours, so I'm going to trust jake's judgement and vote K-NiGhT as well.
I-I-I-INSTA!!!
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe P
12.jake3343
Day 2 is over. K-NiGhT was Insta'd!
It is now Night 3. Night 3 ends Friday, June 23, 2012, at 11PM EST/10PM CST/9PM MST/8PM PST/7PM AST
so I was thinking of seering kman tonight just to make sure he's a wolf sound good?
And I'll just say "guard on me" even though dude is dead.
wait ffffffffffff that was supposed to be a pm.
Oh well. I'm not really that useful anymore.
GJ.
The lynched can't speak.
They get a death post.
Only those who are wolfed may make a death post (that is unrelated to the game).
Lynched people don't receive that privilege since they should make their witty remarks prior to being lynched.
Yes, that never made sense to me either. But we may as well stay true to tradition!
I stand corrected. I should really read through the rules again again again.
Quote from: jake3343 on June 21, 2012, 08:10:24 PMso I was thinking of seering kman tonight just to make sure he's a wolf sound good?
Well I'm not very pleased that the apparent leader of the humans is so confident that one of his own is a wolf. Seer me, please, but unless I'm the blacksmith or the butcher, I'm a human, And will seer green, yet no one will believe me, even if I'm green, because you will just say I was painted. So thanks everyone, and good on ya, wolves. Youve done your job.
Quote from: jake3343 on June 21, 2012, 06:29:52 PMEveryone except Zunawe and Maestro is a quadrilateral.
Anyway, what I was going to say in the chat: the wolves are kman, k-night, and davy. All we have to do now is figure out which one is the zombie.
It seems like you are very confident that I am a wolf. However, we do not even know for sure that K-Night is one (although he is very likely a wolf). The only reason I can think of why you're thinking that I'm a wolf is because I defended K-Night in that chat. I usually try to make people say everything they can about why a player would be a wolf or not. Unfortunately, I don't have my chat with winter in my possesion, however, I can show you the other side, in which I make players create any defense possible.
http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4289.msg143156#msg143156 (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4289.msg143156#msg143156)
From there on I have an argument with sheikah about him being a wolf, and in the end I just shift my vote off him anyways. However, later on there is more evidence against him and I lynch him anyway.
A much better prove of my strategy is http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4025.msg131099#msg131099 (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4025.msg131099#msg131099) where I voted for bird and forced him to make a defence, and once again I ended up removing my vote from him anyway.
I just want to say that if I am defending someone it doesn't immeadiately mean that I am working together with that person.
For me, the most likely wolf trio atm would be: Kman, K-Night and Mashi, but you seem very convinced that Mashi is a human due to seeming human in the chat. Could you plz post where he seems human to you, Jake?
Quote from: gzgregory on June 21, 2012, 05:22:03 PMI was in the chat, davy! Also my internet cut out for a couple of days.
Ok greg, can you plz post the chats you've been in, because so far, I haven't seen much of it. It'd gave me a much better idea about if you're a human or not.
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe P
12.jake3343
Night 3 is over. gzgregory was wolfed!
It is now Day 3. Day 3 ends Sunday, June 24, 2012, at 11PM EST/10PM CST/9PM MST/8PM PST/7PM AST
Dearest Jake, what was I seeded as?
Seered*
You were seered red, obviously, because you're a wolf.
Well fuck. Im not even going to defend myself, because no one in this game would even believe me.
The wolves have done extremely well, by convincing you all of their lies. I would like to congratulate them on their win, and I could care less if I'm insta'd. Kman96
Do it. Kill me, and you lose.
I'm not a wolf I'm a human, but thank you all for being so gullible.
whoever said anything about lynching you
Quit being so dramatic, you've been caught. You can either fight it or fall on your sword. The fact that you've resigned to an insta, and a few profanities beforehand, serves only to make people stand against you.
Sorry kman, I know you want us all to lynch you, but it's not going to happen. Instead, I'm going to vigi you night 4.
To make everything clear to everyone: kman is the zombie. Vera has been thinking this all game. Also, night 2 (NOT night 3), when I said I was going to seer maestro, I actually seered kman. The wolves thought I was going to seer maestro so they probably painted him, and I could get a more accurate result on kman. He was red.
So kman is pretty likely a wolf, and now that he's crying for everyone to lynch him, he's probably the zombie. If we lynch him, he'll infect somebody and cause all sorts of trouble. However, if we vigi him, he doesn't infect anyone! So don't bother lynching kman, I'll get him with my tnt next night phase.
So, jake, since you are supposedly the seer, why in the world have you not been wolfed yet?
They tried on night 1, remember? But between the guardian and two armors floating around out there, it seems like the wolves don't want to waste the energy.
Well, wolves, the gaurdian hasn't gaurded him once this entire game. He's all yours. Please. Jake, you are the most annoying person I've been in a TWG with. Don't ever play again. Seriously. Fuck off, and don't ever show your cocky-ass face on this forum ever again. Jake3343
There's alot of animosity here.
How do you know the guardian isn't guarding him every night? There's nothing that tells you that. Also, what's with the accusations? I don't see any reason for that. Unless you're a wolf and want to be lynched.
If both shadowkirby and Kman seem to want to be lynched, then they might both be wolves and be trying to throw us off. People should go to the chat.
Oooooh, yes, the gaurdian TOTALLY wouldn't know whose been gaurded every night.
How would you know that? Are you the guardian? If that was the case why weren't you guarding the seer? At what point do you realize that you are the only thing keeping the seer, one of the two fact-finders, alive in a game where lies and deception are man's best friend? Were you playing against the humans the entire time? If that was the case why? What do we have to gain with a dead seer? Moreover, at what point did you realize that by making these statements you've basically forfeit the game for us?
shadowkirby, if not for being a wolf based on his last few posts, then for being a very bad guardian.
All this time then, who were you gaurding if not jake?
This is dumb.
So shadowkirby claims guardian and votes Jake for being annoying. That seems fishy.
Jake should be able to check his PM's and see if shadow really claimed guardian to him. If he did, I'd like to hear his reasoning for voting for jake. Obviously, there is a chance of Jake having fake claimed seer as well as there is a chance of shadowkirby fake claiming guardian, but both chances are very small, as all players have claimed to Jake and there were no dual claims.
As I see it now, the true guardian didn't PM jake that he was the true guardian because he wasn't sure if jake was the true seer. So shadow entered the alliance as a wolf. Now that he sees that his partner is going to be vigi'd and not lynched so that his zobie powers will activate, he's desperately trying to bring the votes on jake to prevend him from using his tnt box.
I'm not going to vote yet, because I want to allow both jake and shadow to respond on my post. However atm it seems most likely that I'm going to place my vote on Shadowkirby.
Also Jake, what were the seer and psychic results?
Quote from: Mashi on June 22, 2012, 10:12:31 PMThis is dumb.
I don't even really know what's going on.
Holy hell. Like, really? THIS is why Shadowkirby is leaving? I'm not playing, but wtf guys. You all should be able to play a game together without getting pissed off. It's a GAME and some people are taking it way too seriously.
Wait, he's leaving because of TWG? Really?
Yes it is a game, and some of us do take it seriously, but to leave a community because of it is rather immature. If that is the case, then I'd like to apologize for my tirade against you. All of that unfolded late at night, and I wasn't thinking too clearly, you may have had some irl stuff going on, I don't know.
That said, jake, we need some answers here, things are coming to light and we need some sense of unity here.
Yikes, I'm not sure when all this animosity came to be. I'm sorry if I seem cocky or annoying to anyone; maybe it's just my playing-style.
Shadowkirby was the only guardian claim, so I'm pretty sure he's the guardian. I asked him to guard himself night 2, and I think he did. He told me in a pm that he guarded me night 3. Now he says that he has not actually been guarding me. I really have no way of knowing if he has or not. If he's chosen to not guard me, there's nothing I can do about it.
Here's a list of all my seerings:
Night 1, I seered Mashi red.
Night 2, I seered Kman red.
Night 3, I seered Davy green.
Before each night phase, I would say I'm seering someone different then whom I actually seered so that the painter wouldn't paint the person I seered.
As for who the wolves are, I'm still pretty confident that kman is the zombie, and plan on viging him night 4. Unless I'm mistaken, if I vigi him the same night I am wolfed, we both die. I'm not entirely sure of the last wolf, but I think it's Maestro. If it isn't, then it's probably Davy. I think lynching one of them this phase and then the other next phase (if the game isn't over) would be best.
Quote from: jake3343 on June 23, 2012, 04:15:14 PMYikes, I'm not sure when all this animosity came to be. I'm sorry if I seem cocky or annoying to anyone; maybe it's just my playing-style.
Shadowkirby was the only guardian claim, so I'm pretty sure he's the guardian. I asked him to guard himself night 2, and I think he did. He told me in a pm that he guarded me night 3. Now he says that he has not actually been guarding me. I really have no way of knowing if he has or not. If he's chosen to not guard me, there's nothing I can do about it.
Here's a list of all my seerings:
Night 1, I seered Mashi red.
Night 2, I seered Kman red.
Night 3, I seered Davy green.
Before each night phase, I would say I'm seering someone different then whom I actually seered so that the painter wouldn't paint the person I seered.
As for who the wolves are, I'm still pretty confident that kman is the zombie, and plan on viging him night 4. Unless I'm mistaken, if I vigi him the same night I am wolfed, we both die. I'm not entirely sure of the last wolf, but I think it's Maestro. If it isn't, then it's probably Davy. I think lynching one of them this phase and then the other next phase (if the game isn't over) would be best.
So, I'm seer'd green, that means I'm eighter a human, or I've painted myself (if I'm the painter)/been painted (if I'm the creeper or the zombie).
Looking back at the seerings, I don't think the chance is really high that I have been painted. Last night phase, Jake said he was going to seer Kman, and as he is a wolf, that would mean that the wolves probably painted him green. At the start of night 2, Jake said he was going to seer Maestro. If I'm not a wolf, than Maestro is, according to Jake, in which case he'd be painted too. Had I been a wolf, than it would have been a perfect opportunity to paint Maestro red, and not paint myself. As for the first night phase, Mashi was seer'd red, so unless he's the miller, he was painted red, in which case I couldn't paint myself. Mashi was a likely seer target, so I can understeand why the wolves would paint him.
I'm going to vote for
Maestro, in the first place because Jake suspects him (and the alliance leader usually knows more than the rest of the humans), in the seccond place because his reaction to shadow's guardian claim, which could help him to lynch the guardian, as he'd know that shadow is not a wolf, and in the third place because if he is a wolf, it would be less likely that I painted myself, and with help from the psychic, we will know if Maestro really was a wolf or not.
One more thing: If you guys want to lynch them, please post your motivation in 7 hours after this post has been posted, because after that, I'll have no time to defend myself.
Maestro just sent me this pm. I'm not sure why he didn't just post it, but here it is:
Quote from: MaestroUGC on June 24, 2012, 06:20:14 AMYou say your suspicions have fallen back on me to be the third wolf. I can only tell you that I'm a human. However, I have a different theory of a bigger behind the scenes game:
K-Night is the regular wolf
Kman96 is the Painter
Mashi is the Zombie
Mashi would know he'd fall victim to the Manti Rule, so he'd have to paint himself green in order to start the game right. The only problem is that Kman would be unable to paint him, since he's been busy irl. (Why would he sign up for a game if he knew he would be busy?) He'd also know to wolf someone who wasn't a well known player of skill, or at least a long runner. Since very few people here know who you are, you were a good target, but you were saved by the Rose.
You turn out to be the seer and say you seer him red. He jumps on your theory and makes a good argument that he's a miller. Hell, even I bought it.
Night 2 comes along and with suspicions being on Kman he'd knew he'd need him painted, however Kman is still unable to comply.
K-Night is also suspected, and it seems as if he won't make it. Since Mashi can't be seen supporting a suspected wolf, he supports his lynching
Now some crap has gone down. You reveal to the thread your plan after Night 3, shadow makes a mess of things, implying he didn't trust you. And all Mashi has to say is, "This is dumb." Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't a human be more concerned with the fact that the guardian hasn't been guarding you? I'm aware that Mashi doesn't like dealing with crap, and so he shrugged it off. But even still, who has anything to gain by the guardian leaving the seer unprotected? The wolves. The wolves always sneak by when the humans can't get their crap together, and it leaves them to add to the chaos ensuring a wolf victory.
Mashi most be aware that his luck might run out soon, since if more dead ends turn up, the finger will point back to him and he will be lynched, and the zombie will go down the next day. The Zombie is a great late-game power, since it shifts the numbers at a point that is crucial to victory. Mashi might be banking on this as a last resort. With two of he's partners dead (or soon to be), he'd know that he'd need to sneak by long enough to make sure the infect works best.
Since you've said that the plan is to use the TNT on Kman Night 4, Mashi would just need a last ditch painting sent off to a random player and bring suspicion to him. Since he knows you trust him, he'd direct your attention to some pawn and the witch hunt will begin. He'd just need one more human to be killed in his place, then it wouldn't matter. By day 5, lynching him will result in an infection, which will tie the game, meaning a wolf victory.
We need to lynch Kman, and use the TNT on Mashi, lest we fall victim to the wolf in sheep's clothing.
I don't know how other people will interpret this, but it sounds pretty wolfish to me, especially how he wants us to lynch kman. I'm going with
Maestro for now.
A+
Maestro Ur the Game's Canine
Maestro because *sneezes*
The idea of sending a PM is to discuss things, I wanted your input on my theory, but since you seem keen on spilling mail all over the forum, there are a few things I need to say.
I came to the chat this evening with the intention on discussing what I said. When addressed, jake said he had no questions for me, which means he already made up his mind. He made his decision to trust the person he already seer'd red over myself. Granted, he can't be too sure of my humanity, but he's seer'd Mashi red. Both jake and myself gave him the benefit of the doubt, but my trust in Mashi is gone now.
I never fully trusted him in the first place, and now that the game is starting to drag on, I can only believe that we got a wolf on Night 1. While yes, I am aware that it is improbable to find a wolf that early, I know that it is entirely possible. Yes, I gave him a far reaching theory, but at least I'm trying to see a bigger game here.
My vote is for Kman96, for the reasons I explained above.
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro P
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe P
12.jake3343
Day 3 is over. MaestroUGC was lynched!
An infection has occurred!
It is now Night 4. Night 4 ends Monday, June 25, 2012, at 11PM EST/10PM CST/9PM MST/8PM PST/7PM AST
Spyro has been given a phantom for failing to vote.
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Maestro is my new least favorite person :(
Seriously, I thought kman was the zombie, so do I still vigi him? It's still most likely that he is a wolf and we have just mixed up who the zombie is. If I vigi him tonight and the wolves kill someone, there will be five people left day 5, and only one wolf, which gives us two chances. I think that's doable.
Although I do commend Maestro on acting very wolfy without acting zombie-y. The thought actually crossed my mind that "hey, maybe Maestro's the zombie", but after a second I was like "naw, it's totally kman".
All of you are required to visit the chat immediately!!!
http://cbe005.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM
Quote from: jake3343 on June 24, 2012, 08:24:37 PMffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Maestro is my new least favorite person :(
Seriously, I thought kman was the zombie, so do I still vigi him? It's still most likely that he is a wolf and we have just mixed up who the zombie is. If I vigi him tonight and the wolves kill someone, there will be five people left day 5, and only one wolf, which gives us two chances. I think that's doable.
Although I do commend Maestro on acting very wolfy without acting zombie-y. The thought actually crossed my mind that "hey, maybe Maestro's the zombie", but after a second I was like "naw, it's totally kman".
no, you should NOT vigi kman. He is a HUMAN (miller or painted?) That has been telling only the TRUTH yet no one has been listening to him. I told you I wasn't a wolf or the zombie but no one listened to me! I'm a human guys, and I kinda suspected maestro after my little blow up yesterday. My apologies, jake, I believ you, and I am willing to cooperate with you now. I had some irl things that was stressing me out. I will participate more fully now, to prove that I can be a useful human.
Wait I didn't vote?
I thought I did a safety. Maybe that was the night before.
If we were to lynch Kman96 instead of vigi-ing him, we would have one last Day Phase with 2 Players remaining; if the Wolf has a Phantom, we win; if both Players do not have Phantoms (or have the same amount), it's often customary to either let the Wolves win or end the game in a draw; if the Human has a Phantom, we lose.
If we were to vigi Kman96 instead of lynching him, we would have one last Day Phase with 3 Players remaining, so our chances of lynching the Wolf are slightly higher than in lynching Kman96 with 4 Players remaining.
In the first scenario, we have one legitimate lynch to kill the Infected Wolf (when 4 Players remain), since we would have to use one of our Day Phases to lynch Kman96.
In the second scenario, we have two lynches to kill the Infected Wolf (when 5 and then 3 Players remain; though, Kman96 must be a Wolf in this case, otherwise, we would lose when 3 Players remained and we didn't lynch the actual Wolf).
I think that, for now, we don't vigi Kman96 and discuss what to do next Night Phase.
I think it would be best to vigi kman tonight. If we are going to lynch him tomorrow then we might as well vigi him tonight and get two lynches instead of one to find the infected player. The only reason we wouldn't vigi kman is if he isn't a wolf, but I'm still pretty confident that he is.
We can vigi him next Night Phase and still have 2 lynches.
NO! You guys are Being stupid! You kill Kman, and you LOSE! The wolves are tricking you all! Hy don't you vigi the infected player? They are a confirmed wolf? Isn't the infected person the one who last voted for maestro? Or was that another game? Guys I'm serious. I'm human, and killing me will only further deepen your chances of losing.
You were wrong about me being a zombie, and yall seemed to be PRETTY surprised about that...I'm not a wolf, so goddamn believe it. If I was an infected, I would willingly be lynched! I want the humans to win this game!
The more you complain, the more prone we'll be to lynching you.
The Infected Player can be any Player in the game; not just the last Player to vote. What would be the purpose of an Infected Player if we all knew whom he was?
Anyway, if you don't want to be vigi'd next Night Phase (you're welcome), I suggest that you post a defence and your suspicions.
I'm not complaining- I'm simply explaining that if I'm vigi'd/lynched, the wolves would be one step closer to winning. Its your choice.
Save me if not for unusefullness, but for the fact that I'm ONE MORE MEMBER against the wolves.
Make your choice. I may not be very useful if I'm alive, but killing me would be extremely detrimental to the human team.
okay vigi him
i dont want a deadweight person on the team, even if we lose because of his/her death
not to mention that if hes a wolf, i refuse to permit for the possibility of his winning due to ambivalence on our part
TWG isn't supposed to be played this way. "Don't lynch me, because it's possible that you will lose!" isn't going to cut it. If you don't learn to play differently, you're going to die every game. And it won't be the fault of the other Players, but the one who adamantly refuses to change.
The only reason I would be deadweight is because no one believes a word I say! I made it clear in the first game I played: as a hum,, I tell the truth and nothing bvut. As a wolf, I lie my ass off. I told you all that you were wrong in your accusations of me being a zombie/wolf, and now that maestro was shown to be the zombie, you all were surprised to find out you were wrong in your accusations of me as a zombie! If I wasn't painted, then I'm the blacksmith! Why should I play if no one will take into account as to what I say just because the wolves have convinced the humans that I'm against them?
You humans are brainwashed. But its already out of my hands.
I hate being a human.
The reason you're deadweight is because you haven't said anything in the first place. The only input that comes to my mind is that you accused jake of being a Wolf and responded to your red Seering that you were Human. It's not that people don't believe you, it's just that you haven't offered anything to be believed.
But I'm not done playing yet. There is still a lot for us humans to do. With three wolves left (including the semi-zombie?), if the infected is true to the humans, they should come forward.
Whom do you believe the Wolves are?
Well after my suspicion of jake went away, I was at a loss. But then davy did something kinda suspicious, but I forgot what it was, so ill look at that later, because of inadequate internet surfing abilities in the airport.
Then I have you, Mashi. You seemed quite human at first, but then I was all hyped up on jake being a wolf. Lately you've just seemed very suspicious to me, what with you negativity towards losing a human; if I were to know we were losing a human- active or not, losing a human is one step to losing and I don't want our team to lose. That's not the only thing I'm finding suspicious of you, so ill post something updated at the next airport if possible (I'm coming home. Mashi I don't wanna be right. Please prove to me that you are human, and I will take back my suspicions of you.
That's all I have for now. More later at the next airport.
You've given no evidence towards your humanity aside from alleging it. I don't think that you seem to grasp what's wrong with simply claiming Human.
If you're a Human, you'll always tell the truth, so you claim that you're Human.
If you're a Wolf, you'll tell a lie, so you claim that you're Human.
With this evidence, claiming Human is not evidence of anyone's humanity.
Furthermore, I don't know whether vigi-ing you will kill a Human. The way I see it, you're either a Wolf and vigi-ing you will bring the Humans one step closer to victory or a Human who should hopefully take the vigi as a wake up call to change Human performance style. Not to mention that Humans accuse Humans too. Being wrong about a suspicion doesn't make someone a Wolf. Saying that you won't be suspicious of me if I'm not suspicious of you isn't proof of anything and is irrational.
So I sent everyone a PM saying something along the lines of "Hi, we infected you! :D". Based on these PMs, I'm beginning to think that Kman96 and jake are the remaining Wolves (I never sent one to Kman96 because I suspected him of being a Wolf and never sent one to jake because I told him about the plan prior to the Infection taking place).
Zunawe:
Quote from: Zunawe on June 24, 2012, 09:06:27 PM*bangs face on keyboard* The wolves deserve to win this game now. Geez, you are so sneaky. Also, I haven't received a PM from sheikah yet, so until then I'm a human. I wonder if maestro infected somebody else. That would so ruin your plans.
Spyro:
Quote from: Spyro on June 25, 2012, 06:52:17 AMSo, you're going to convert me and some others I guess, and win when you get enough?
OK. I can see it working. But there are still some factors to consider.
davy:
Quote from: davy on June 25, 2012, 11:06:42 AMWhy should I Mashi, eighter you're joking (which I think is true, because discussing the infection of Maestro with him before the infection itself will be considered cheating), or you've revealled that you've been infected to a human, which I don't think is very likely.
I respond something like "I'm not infected; you are!"
Quote from: davy on June 25, 2012, 11:18:46 AMI am not infected.
When Maestro was alive, he was a wolf and you were a human. At that moment, it would be working against your team if you discussed the infection with Maestro, and it would be dead-living talk if you discussed it after Maestro died.
ALSO: SEND ALL YOUR MESSAGES TO SHEIKAH!
My response is quoted below:
Quote from: davy on June 25, 2012, 11:24:09 AMQuoteOkay, the Wolves are K-NiGhT, MaestroUGC, and me.
MaestroUGC infected you, so you are now a Wolf.
Understand???
Sheikah, can you clarify to me that I was infected, I think I should have recieved a message from you saying that I had been infected.
So Mashi, if you are indeed a wolf, what were those awsome infection strategies that you were going to send me?
shadowkirby:
[12:35:59 AM] shadowkirby: Wait
[12:36:01 AM] shadowkirby: What
[12:36:15 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: Hi.
[12:36:31 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: Wait, what, for what???
[12:36:32 AM] shadowkirby: What was that PM about?
[12:36:40 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: Infection.
[12:36:52 AM] shadowkirby: OH
[12:36:54 AM] shadowkirby: OK
[12:36:56 AM] shadowkirby: ]:)
[12:36:57 AM] shadowkirby: FUNFUNFUN
[12:37:02 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: ya
[12:37:35 AM] shadowkirby: Which means
[12:37:46 AM] shadowkirby: You've kind of forced me to come back.
[12:37:48 AM] shadowkirby: Dammit.
[12:38:18 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: Hahaha.
[12:38:19 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: Yaaay.
[12:40:48 AM] shadowkirby: Who was the first wolf
[12:40:58 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: First Wolf?
[12:41:02 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: What do you mean?
[12:41:04 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: First to die?
[12:41:08 AM] Daniel Bilal Bhatti: K-NiGhT.
[12:41:28 AM] shadowkirby: ah.
Oh, for davy's PM, I sent him another PM saying "davyyy respooond" prior to his first PM, hence why he stated "Why should I Mashi". jake can verify.
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro P
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe P
12.jake3343
Night 4 is over. shadowkirby was wolfed!
It is now Day 4. Day 4 ends Wednesday, June 27, 2012, at 11PM EST/10PM CST/9PM MST/8PM PST/7PM AST
Today's lynching is really really important. If we mislynch today, we'll probably lose, considering the fact that there are most likely two wolves left, and next day phase there will only be 3-4 people (depending on if we decide to vigi anyone).
So we need to determine the wolf who has been a wolf this whole game, AND the person who was infected. The original wolf is most likely either kman or davy. Out of those two, I'd say I'm leaning more towards davy because his reactions to Mashi's test seemed really off. He was reluctant to even partake in talking to Mashi, as if he didn't want to be caught. I'm still quite suspicious of kman though. As for the infected, it could really be anybody, though the most likely candidates are obviously me, Mashi, kman, davy, and I guess shadow kirby until he was wolfed (I also seer'd him blue, so he's not infected either way). Zunawe and Spyro seemed pretty sincere in their replies to Mashi, so I think that it's safe to assume that they're still human. I think the obvious choice would be to infect either Mashi or me, but I actually wouldn't be surprised if the wolves infect kman or davy (whichever one wasn't already the wolf). Everyone would be too focused on analyzing Mashi and my posts to find which one is infected and would ignore the other players, maybe? I'll have to see more posts from everyone.
Also everyone should get in the chat tomorrow and Wednesday for discussion!
Interrupting TWG to say I'm running out of popcorn. This game is so convoluted and entertaining to watch! :D
you arent playing spitllama you shouldnt be posting!!!!
Who to vote for.....
Quote from: jake3343 on June 25, 2012, 09:00:11 PMThe original wolf is most likely either kman or davy. Out of those two, I'd say I'm leaning more towards davy because his reactions to Mashi's test seemed really off. He was reluctant to even partake in talking to Mashi, as if he didn't want to be caught. I'm still quite suspicious of kman though.
The following message was sent to me:
Quote from: Mashi on June 24, 2012, 08:19:17 PMHi, I'm the remaining Wolf and Maestro and I came up with the ingenious Zombie infection plan.
B)
I'll PM you with a few strategies I have to win the game later.
When I read it, I thought Mashi meant: I'm the player that has become infected and is now a wolf, instead of: I'm the player that was a wolf all along (remember, English is not my first language). I was kind of sure that Sheikah would have PM'd me that I had become infected, so I did not respond. Another reason why I allready thought that the message was a joke was because I thought Mashi would be cheating, as explained in my response to his message. Also when he sent me: respooond, I knew for sure that he wasn't a wolf, because if he was a wolf, he would have sent me the few strategies, rather than making such a post, so I knew it was eighter a mass PM or a joke, and I believed it was the former.
Spyro and Zunawe seem the most likely humans to me. The original wolf has to be
Kman, because I know I am a human. Also, Kman has been working against the alliance quite a lot. I think he was playing so Zombie-y, to make Jake waste his TNT on him, while he'll still lynch the zombie (which actually happened).
I doubt that the wolves would infect a player who is allready suspicious (Kman and I) or one that is inexperienced (Spyro and Zunawe). The infected player has to be eighter Mashi or Jake. Jake seems a very logical player to become infected, because he had the two remaining items, or at least, I think he had (can you clarify that you had them?). However, Mashi has much more experience than Jake, plus he could use that mass PM to find his partner. There is a chance that Mashi was actually infected, but that he did not know who his partner was. So he sent a mass PM to all the players to find his partner. Note that he didn't post a message recieved from Kman. Mashi own explanation is: 'I suspected him of being a Wolf', but my explanation is that he actually recieved a message from Kman in which he says that he was the original wolf. Also, note that both of them were arguing all night phase, while so far, Mashi haven't contributed so much (except for the first day phase in which he would be lynched if he didn't defend himself), so I think they did that to make us believe that they are actually not on the same team, while the actually are.
So yeah, I think Kman is the original wolf and eighter Mashi or Jake has become infected. At the moment, I think Jake is the most likely infection target.
Well, yes, Jake is probably the most obvious infection target, but couldn't that work for the wolves as well: The zombie dies, and there is an exposed blue who is also an alliance leader. Everybody immediately thinks "He's the obvious target, so he's likely to be the wolf." Then, if he wasn't infected, we will have lynched our seer and there would still be two wolves (assuming K-NiGhT was a wolf). I don't want to sound like I'm defending jake, because I'm still very suspicious of him, but I want everybody to be aware of this before they go after him.
Also, I agree with some of davy's points. However, I don't feel like people have been openly suspicious of davy yet, so I don't think the point about himself and Kman applies to him as effectively as it does Kman. Just putting that out there. Food for thought.
Due to behavior and likeliness, I am going to vote Kman96 for now.
Chat stuffffff.
16:01 Vera Remember how you told MaestroUGC about the seering plan?
16:01 Zunawe bad jake
16:01 jake yes
16:02 Zunawe Vera, I really wish I could see when you're typing.
16:02 Vera Do you think that, presuming that the Wolf Painter were alive, MaestroUGC would have painted himself or his Wolf partner (let's presume it's davy)?
16:02 Vera What do you mean?
16:02 jake in mibbit when one types their username turns red
16:02 Zunawe When anybody but you is typing something, their name turns red.
16:02 jake but for you it odesn't
16:03 Vera I'm using Chatzilla, so that may be why.
16:03 jake yeah
16:03 Vera Why does typing matter?
16:04 jake anyway, I'd say it's more likely for maestro to paint his partner. Maestro is the zombie, so he doesn't care /that/ much if he is lynched.
16:05 Zunawe So, how does this help us? (I keep interrupting your thougths because it seems like you're just sitting there)
16:05 *** davy joined #TWGNSM
16:06 davy hi
16:06 jake hi
16:06 Zunawe Lol, so what's the point of this?
16:06 jake what's the point of what?
16:06 davy Does anyone still have the original chat?
16:06 davy changing to here.
16:06 Zunawe Two chats with the same people in each
16:06 *** Vera quit (Ping timeout)
16:06 jake this is where I've always been coming too
16:06 jake *to
16:06 davy Zunawe, do you still have the original chat?
16:07 Zunawe Original chat from. . .
16:07 davy the other place where we were chatting.
16:07 Zunawe I can copy it, but I don't really know what to do.
16:07 davy I wanted to post it, but now that I changed channals I've lost it.
16:07 Zunawe No. The blue tab on top
16:08 Zunawe It's still there. you're still there
16:08 Zunawe With the white lettering.
16:09 jake anyway
16:09 jake back to finding wolves!
16:09 *** Vera joined #TWGNSM
16:09 Vera Dumb laptop.
16:09 Zunawe Kman is either always very defensive, or he's a wolf
16:09 Vera What did I miss???
16:09 Vera Also, using Mibbit now.
16:09 jake nothing really
16:10 Zunawe We taught davy how to have two chats at once. . .
16:10 Vera Hahaha.
16:10 Vera Yaaaay.
16:11 Vera Mibbit still has the greatest smilies ever.
16:11 Vera
16:11 Zunawe
16:11 davy where can you find them?
16:11 davy the smilies I mean
16:11 Zunawe Right below the chatbar
16:11 Zunawe It says smilies
16:11 Vera Or you can type them too.
16:11 Zunawe Psshht
16:11 Zunawe Typing
16:11 davy
16:12 Vera : ) : ( : O : s : P
16:12 Vera Like those without the spaces.
16:12 davy ok
16:12 jake anyway so back to finding wolves
16:12 Zunawe Anyway. So I think that most people are going to agree if we decide to lynch Kman
16:12 Vera Okay.
16:13 Vera Is this the part where we cut to the jake v. Mashi Infection scene???
16:13 Zunawe Lol. Hmm. . .
16:13 jake I'm still nervous that davy is the original wolf
16:13 davy why do you think so?
16:13 jake but I do think that a kman/davy duo is possible
16:13 Zunawe The reason I think not, is because he said "I know I'm a human." As of now, only him and I have said that.
16:13 davy and which of us would be the original wolf?
16:14 jake could be either
16:14 Vera I feel that davy's PM to the_last_sheikah was rather genuine.
16:14 Vera In which he asked something along the lines of "Was I really Infected?".
16:14 Zunawe Kinda
16:14 jake They did, but not as genuine as zunawe or spyro
16:14 jake to me at least
16:14 Vera I don't think that a Wolf would go to that extent, but rather say something like "I would have received a PM and blah blah blah."
16:15 Zunawe yes. That's what I was saying last time.
16:15 davy I don't think that the wolves infected Kman
16:15 davy The chance that he is going to be lynched is way to high.
16:15 Vera Yes.
16:15 Zunawe So if he seems wolfish, then he's probably the original.
16:16 Vera We could analyse MaestroUGC's PM to jake.
16:16 jake and he does seem wolfish
16:16 Vera Would MaestroUGC be audacious enough to list 2 out of 3 of the Wolves in his PM to you, jake?
16:17 davy I think he would be, although there is an equil high chance that he wouldn
16:17 davy t be
16:17 Zunawe Wait for a second.
16:17 jake Not sure. I wouldn't really call it audacious, considering that we already suspected knigtht and kman quite a bit
16:17 Vera Good point.
16:17 Zunawe He wanted us to lynch Kman. Isn't that consistent with our idea that Kman was trying to make himself look like the zombie?
16:17 Vera Yes.
16:17 Vera Wait, no.
16:18 Vera idk
16:18 jake Well, it would be very sneaky if it were
16:18 jake maestro did play a pretty sneaky game, though
16:18 jake so idk I guess
16:18 Vera The primary gripe I have with the suspicion of Kman96 is that there's no reason to bring suspicion onto himself if he weren't the Zombie.
16:19 davy yes there is
16:19 Zunawe Take it off maestro
16:19 Vera What would that be?
16:19 davy he could bring the suspicion upon himself to take it off maestro
16:19 davy and to make us waste the TNT on a normal wolf.
16:19 Vera He brought suspicion onto himself Day 1.
16:19 jake either that or he actually didn't want to bring suspicion on himself.
16:19 jake I don't think a human would want to bring suspicion on himself either
16:20 Vera Yes.
16:20 davy the earlier you guys are thinking that he's the zombie the more easily the zombie could be lynched
16:20 Vera I suppose.
16:20 Vera But would he want to be TNTed?
16:20 Zunawe One wolf death instead of two? Yes
16:21 Vera It would be 2 wolf deaths.
16:21 Vera We were suspicious of MaestroUGC.
16:21 Vera Being suspicious of another person doesn't change that.
16:21 Zunawe Being suspicious of another person as being the zombie does
16:22 Zunawe If Kman were tntd, then we will have lost our tnt on a normal wolf
16:22 Zunawe If Maestro were, then they would have lost a wolf, and the infection.
16:22 Vera But would it have been worth it, is what I'm asking.
16:22 Vera Hmm.
16:22 Zunawe I think that it would be if it were inevitable.
16:22 Vera I suppose.
16:23 davy going to post the chats and then going to sleep.
16:23 Zunawe K. Good night.
16:23 Vera Good night, davy.
16:24 jake goodnight
16:24 Zunawe Why do you think he said "Mashi is the zombie"?
16:24 Vera Probably to sound ridiculous and be lynched.
16:25 davy going to leave posting the chats for you because mibbit is being annoying with coppying.
16:25 Zunawe But wouldn't he have said Kman is the zombie if he wanted Kman tntd? Or is it because we wouldn't trust him anymore that he didn't?
16:25 *** davy quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
16:26 Vera Claiming that Kman96 was the Zombie would be reasonable.
16:26 Vera We all suspected him of being the Zombie, after all.
16:26 Zunawe So he needed to be as unrealistic but serious as possible.
16:26 Vera Yes.
16:26 Zunawe sincere as possible*
16:26 Vera So that we would lynch him.
16:26 Zunawe Gosh dang connotations. Okay.
Davy has great points, so.
Vote: Kman
19:57Vera We could lynch Kman96 and vigi davy or something.
19:57 Vera And then have the best debate next Day Phase if the game is still going!
19:57 jake that sounds good, or lynch davy and vigi kman
19:58 jake I don't really know which to kill first!
19:58 Vera It wouldn't matter.
19:58 jake oh
19:58 jake yeah as long as they both die I guess it wouldn't!
kman it is then!
You all are making a big mistake, but there is no longer anything I can do to make any of you believe me. You've all been brainwashed by "trustworthy" people, who tricked you into believing they were human. But since nobody believes me, obviously I would be a terrible wolf. You people should know that I'm ALWAYS a great wolf. Thats all I can say, really.
Have a good game guys, because theres nothing I can do to stop the wolves from convincing you to lynch me.
I'm voting Mashi for my suspicions last night.
I-I-I-INSTA!!
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro P
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe P
12.jake3343
Day 4 is over. Kman96 was Insta'd!
It is now Night 5. Night 5 ends Wednesday, June 27, 2012, at 11PM EST/10PM CST/9PM MST/8PM PST/7PM AST
23:37 Vera lol jake
23:37 Vera I didn't think you would actually be so bold.
23:37 jake lol vera
23:37 jake sorry
23:37 Vera You do realise that if you're the last Wolf, Humans win.
23:37 Vera And you shouldn't be the one sorry!
23:37 jake yes
23:37 Vera I should be sorry for you.
23:38 Vera Since you were Infected.
23:38 Vera After working so hard too.
23:38 jake I hate being infected
23:38 Vera Don't worry jake, you won in spirit!
23:38 jake No I'm saying sorry because I'm using the tnt on you tonight
23:38 Vera lol
23:38 Vera Then it's a good thing that I prepared for this. B)
23:39 jake the plot thickens
23:39 Vera I may or may not have sent the Diamond Armour to Zunawe.
23:39 Vera Because I may or may not have expected this scenario.
23:39 Vera B)
23:39 jake It doesn't matter. I'm wolfing spyro and tnting you
23:39 Vera or i may have sent it to another human instead and im dead whoops
23:39 jake even if you survive, davy and I will bandwagon and force a lynch on zunawe
23:39 Vera omg
23:40 Vera davy is the last Wolf?
23:40 Vera A+
23:40 jake inorite
23:40 Vera I blame Kman96 for our loss.
23:40 jake YES
23:40 jake I BLAME HIM FOR OUR WIN
Game's over. Wolves won.
Infections suck. I tried really hard on the human team and then suddenly I'm a wolf!
And yes, the wolves win. Sorry everyone :(
I realize that I can't talk, but this went perfectly to plan.
Well. I didn't die. At least not before we lost.
I knew that there was something that I was forgetting with the items. why didnt you point it out mashi? why?
Anyway. Wolves played very well. Good job.
what did you forget about the items
I was putting all my money on Kman96 and jake. I expected that even if he used the TNT, we would win.
I forgot that jake could just keep the TNT and kill two people. It's obvious, but that's probably why it was overlooked.
I realised that as well. But I wasn't expecting davy to be partners with him. I suspected that he would be the only Wolf left and if he used the TNT, he would reveal himself to be the Infected Wolf.
so it's still Kman's fault. You should've said that you werent the wuff.
Wait, what's my fault? :o
Lol. We're "blaming" you for the human loss.
Um, no, because if you would have listened to me in the first place, we should have offed Jake so he wouldn't have been infected. No one ever listened to me, but I guess I was wrong about Mashi too. I hated this game, and I hate being human.
I shouldn't have signed up for this game, like I planned.
You did see the quotations around blaming, right? It's just a game anyway.
Quote from: Zunawe on June 26, 2012, 09:37:27 PMYou did see the quotations around blaming, right? It's just a game anyway.
I know... :-\ I just got REALLY upset when people tell me I'm lying when I'm telling them the absolute truth. It seems that telling the TRUTH while being a human doesn't seem to be smart, whereas wolves seem to get away with it...I'm still building a good human strategy but every time I have FAILED EPICALLY.
I suck at being a human. But in all honesty I'm really sorry I cost us the game, guys. The wolves did really great brainwashing and such. I'm totes jelly.
Wolves, ilu. I love being wuff... :(
P.s. Mashi, if you were not wuff, y u no say so?????
Quote from: Kman96 on June 26, 2012, 09:41:34 PMI know... :-\ I just got REALLY upset when people tell me I'm lying when I'm telling them the absolute truth. It seems that telling the TRUTH while being a human doesn't seem to be smart, whereas wolves seem to get away with it...
As a human, you not only have to tell the truth, but give convincing evidence to make others believe you. If all you say is "I'm a human why don't you believe me?" then no one is going to believe you because anyone could say that. You have to make an argument that is logical and compelling as to why you are a human. If you didn't trust me even after I was the confirmed seer, how do you expect people to trust you when your entire argument is just saying that you're a human over and over again?
Well I was only suspicious of your behavior- when I had first typed the post, I wasn't very sure about the seer claim, but by the time I accepted it, it was too late D: if I hadn't gone after you, then I wouldn't have been front stage and probably wouldn't have caused the humans to lose. However, you played an excellent non-chalant infected wolf.
Yeah, my biggest mistake was going after Jake in the beginning, but if it had worked, who KNOWS how the game could have played out. There would be no seer, and someone else would have been infected.
Like I said, it was my mistake, and I'll watch more closely for things like that in the future.
I apologise if I was harsh in blaming you Kman96; I'm flustered after learning of a few revelations about things which occurred in the game that I disapprove of. Though, those things can't be helped.
jake's advice is correct. Simply alleging oneself to be Human isn't reasonable. One must take actions in the game to substantiate the claim.
Also, it's important to be realistic in your approach to things. Is it possible that jake wolfed himself, was guarded by his Item, bribed the Seer to not claim with some pizza, and then claimed Seer to appear uncounterclaimed? Yes. Is it at all likely? No. Maybe once every 500 games (yes, this has happened before (except the Role was Human King and not Seer). DON'T WORRY THOUGH, iDOWN AND I FOUND ALL THE WOLVES DAY 1 ANYWAY). You're a fantastic Wolf, so I'm confident that you can amend yourself to become a fantastic Human as well, Kman96. It'll just take some time.
I remember back when I was a good human player. But then I got lazy. D:
Quote from: MaestroUGC on June 26, 2012, 08:43:56 PMI realize that I can't talk, but this went perfectly to plan.
Yes, things worked out pretty sweet. During night 1 I painted Maestro, so when Jake said he was going to seer Maestro, I had no reason anymore to paint Maestro, so I painted Kman instead. Than, when Jake said he was going to seer Kman, there was no reason anymore to paint Kman, so I painted myself.
The only thing that didn't went on plan was to wolf the specials. By day 3, I thought that we had got two of the specials. I made a list with players to see who would be the specials.
Quote from: davy on June 18, 2012, 02:22:01 PM1.MaestroUGC - Wolf
2.K-NiGhT - Wolf
3.Kman96 - Probably normal human, as he was going against jake
4.shadowkirby - ?
5.Dude - ?
6.davy - Wolf
7.Spyro - ?
8.gzgregory - ?
9.blueflower999 - Probably normal human, as Jake was going against him
10.Mashi - Miller, as he was seer'd red
11.Zunawe - Most likely normal human
12.jake3343 - Most likely seer
Leaving 4 players from whom I've currently know idea what their roles are.
4.shadowkirby - ?
5.Dude - ?
7.Spyro - ?
8.gzgregory - ?
Most likely, 3 of them are blues.
Prior to that Zunawe made this post:
It's not because
we're human, but because it's where the wolves are.
Due to the "we" in the post, I thought that Zunawe was a normal human.
During day 2, Jake told me in chat that he was suspicious of K-Night for voting for Spyro. I respond that he might have found out that Spyro was a special. Jake tells me that Spyro is not a special. So for night 2 I make a new list.
Quote from: davy on June 22, 2012, 02:08:05 AM1.MaestroUGC - wolf
2.K-NiGhT - wolf
3.Kman96 - Normal human/miller
4.shadowkirby - psychic/steve
5.Dude - guardian
6.davy - wolf
7.Spyro - normal human/miller
8.gzgregory - psychic/steve
9.blueflower999 - normal human/miller
10.Mashi - miller
11.Zunawe - normal human/miller
12.jake3343 - seer
I think that there's a big chance that this is true.
Note that I said that Dude was the guard because Jake posted:
Quote from: jake3343 on June 21, 2012, 08:10:24 PMAnd I'll just say "guard on me" even though dude is dead.
Anyway the true player list is:
1.MaestroUGC - Zombie
2.K-NiGhT - Wolf
3.Kman96 - Normal human/miller
4.shadowkirby - guardian
5.Dude - Normal human/miller
6.davy - wolf painter
7.Spyro - steve
8.gzgregory - Normal human/miller
9.blueflower999 - normal human/miller
10.Mashi - miller
11.Zunawe - psychic
12.jake3343 - seer - original holder of the red rose.
The only things I don't know at the moment is who were the original holders of the armor and the TNT.
I had the TNT, not that that would have been obvious at all. I handed it off to Jake because otherwise, had I been wolfed, we would have a zombie to deal with for certain. Jake was being guarded so that wouldn't happen to him. Obviously that backfired. >_>
In any case, well played, davy and Maestro.
Quote from: davy on June 27, 2012, 02:16:13 AMPrior to that Zunawe made this post:
It's not because we're human, but because it's where the wolves are.
Due to the "we" in the post, I thought that Zunawe was a normal human.
You know what's awesome? I did that for that reason.
So, uh, that's the end of the game? You people are talking like it is but the host never said anything.
We're waiting for the_last_sheikah to make the official decree.
Technically, jake hasn't used the TNT yet, so the number of humans is still higher than wolves. Night has to end first.
Technically, the game is over because of conventional TWG standards. It's only possible for one Player to be guarded, so the Wolves are capable of killing at least one Player. By Day Phase, the remaining two Wolves will win because of Human Phantoms, if one person were killed.
This game is over, for all intents and purposes, it's up to sheikah to go through the formalities of the last day.
TWG XXXIV: Minecraft
Wolves:
Herobrine: Wolf Painter
Creeper: Wolf, just a normal wolf.
Zombie: Infective wolf, may turn any player into a wolf upon lynching, that player is now on the wolf team and seered red.
Humans:
Steve: Immune to griefing
Iron Golem: Guardian
Librarian: Seer
Priest: Psychic
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Farmer: Human
Butcher: Miller
Blacksmith: Miller
Items: (Items will be randomly distributed on the first night after the role PMs are sent)
Diamond armor: guards you from 1 wolfing or 1 griefing
TNT block: grief 1 player
Red Rose: guards you from 1 wolfing
1.MaestroUGC
2.K-NiGhT
3.Kman96
4.shadowkirby
5.Dude
6.davy
7.Spyro P
8.gzgregory
9.blueflower999
10.Mashi
11.Zunawe P
12.jake3343
Night 5 is over. Spyro was wolfed! Mashi has been griefed!
2-1 WOLVES WIN!!
Post game thread up soon.