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TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

Let's make a deal,

I have four of my agents scattered amongst you, the goal of the game is to seek them out and kill them. I have given to you, and only by the Grace of God, two allies to help you in this task. I'd rather have nothing more to do with these people, but my hands here are tied.

Your allies aren't terribly effective though, but I'm no monster so I'm willing to shift the balance. You want something to help you, and I can help you get it. I don't care what it is, and you don't care how you get it. There is a catch, though, as nothing in this world comes for free.

This is not an ordinary game of TWG, as each player can make a deal with the devil for any reason at any time. You can make a deal for whatever you wish, and I will tell you what it will cost you. I can deny any deal I wish, and you can only have one contract at a time.
Be creative in your deals, you can get anything your heart desires. There are a few ground rules, however; a few deals that the powers that be will not permit me to make:

 - You cannot kill anybody; no insta-lynchings or additional wolfings.
 - You cannot violate the laws of time and space, no phase extensions or reductions.
 - You cannot resurrect anybody; I'm not in the saving business, death is permanent.

I have a few ground rules of my own that you should understand before making a deal. I may not be holy, but I never said I wasn't fair:
 
 - All deals revolve around fair trade; something must give for you to get.
 - I get to decide what is given up for you to get what you want, and you will be told the cost, but not who will pay it or how.
 - Once the deal is struck, it is final; you cannot back out of it for any reason.
 - You cannot ask for information regarding deals with other players.

Making a Deal:
If you want to make a deal, all you have to do is call me via PM:

"I, [insert name], wish for [the deal you wish to strike] to be executed in the following manner:
List the details."
I will reply:
"I, Mephistopheles, agree to grant [name] the [deal you wish to make] in the following manner:
Details,
 At the cost of [to be determined]."

All you have to do then is reply with the phrase "I agree to this contract" and give your signature, or state that the deal is off. Once the deal is struck it will be given an identification number, randomly generated, and all parties will refer to it as such from that point on.

I advise you to be as clear and detailed as possible, otherwise you will give me the right to execute the deal in any manner I see fitting. If you feel I haven't lived up to my end of the bargain, you can take your case to the thread and allow them to resolve it by popular consensus through a jury of the damned. Whatever they decide will be final and I will abide by it. You cannot strike the same deal twice, if you back out from an earlier deal you cannot ask me about it later.

Once more to be perfectly clear:
You cannot discuss any aspect of these deals with anybody. You cannot tell anybody that you've struck a deal, the nature of a deal, or question other players about deals they might've had.

Jury of the Damned:
Comprised of all deceased players, it is their duty to decide the legitimacy of the claim against the host and look over all material pertaining to the issue. This happens in real-time and will not interrupt the game, meaning whenever they reach a decision is when they reach a decision. No deadlines, no idle periods of play. Once the player announces he has an issue with me, I will convene the jury and we will handle the matter in private. Once the Jury has made their decision it will be total and final, and their decision will be announced to the thread.

To summon the jury, make a post in the thread saying:
"I want to contest Deal X on the grounds that [state your issue]."
After which I will summon the jury via PM and we will handle it from there. We will both state our cases, with the plaintiff presenting first, and hand the Jury all PMs regarding the deal. They will deliberate with no input from either of us. If necessary we will bring in a third party to resolve the matter, such a party will not be a current player.

All deals with me are confidential; you will not be allowed to discuss your deal or its terms to any other player. Doing so is a breach in contract and I have every right to collect your debt. "What is your debt?" you may ask. In order to play this game, you will agree to sign over your soul to me until this game is completed. You have no obligation to sign this contract, and there will be no penalty against you if don't. However, if you can survive my game I will give you something in return, but only if you survive. Dying will get you nothing. All you have to do is sign on the dotted line.

Name your price,

Mephistopheles

The Undersigned Parties hereby Agree and Consent to the Above Terms:
1. Hercules
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby

It is now Night 1, Night 1 ends 12:00AM CST, Friday Nov. 9

There are NO deals on Night 1.

I'll update this with the other time zones, just give me which ones you need.

Chat: #TWGNSM (http://client02.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)

My name is Hercules.  Also nobody should claim. 

i just made a deal with mr. meph

oh shoot we're not supposed to talk about it, huh

Apparently I fogrot to address this:

The wolves do not know each other., this means that I'll only accpet the first wolfing I recieve.

Disregard any PM you've gotten from me in the past ten minutes or so.  It was supposed to determine who was a wolf, (the people who were wolves would correct me on my assumption that wolves didn't know each other) but when I asked Mephistopheles he posted something about it!  I also misread his response, so I accidentally said that the wolves didn't know each other when I should have said that they did.

I don't want to form any voting alliances, they're dumb.

I am Lillian Lust, the Girl with the Bust.
Claim to me.

Also does that mean that wolfings will be like Uprising Madness?

I'm a-here!!!

I am a guy-with-a-big-sword-nobody-wants-to-encounter-in-a-dark-alley. Vermilionvermin seems a little suspicious, but I'll let it pass for now... unless anything else comes up. :P

are you ichigo kurosaki?

Three important logs that coincide with each other.  I bolded the important stuff.  Note the timestamps on these logs, they're pretty important.

Log #1 with Bird (it's first because it starts earliest).  Bird is Savvy-Sauce and I am Nighthawk.

Quote21:40   Savvy-Sauce   i think the seer should hella claim
21:40   Nighthawk   i think not
21:40   Savvy-Sauce   i don't think the wolves will risk a 50% guarding
21:41   Nighthawk   i would.
21:41   Savvy-Sauce   why
21:41   Nighthawk   especially knowing that if the seer's guarded, their seer is useless
21:41   Nighthawk   http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4956.msg176215#msg176215
21:42   Savvy-Sauce   do the wolves know each other this game
21:43   Nighthawk   i would assume so, but i'm not sure if he says anywhere
21:43   Nighthawk   lemme look
21:43   Savvy-Sauce   i thought maestro always made independent wolfs
21:45   Nighthawk   i don't know, i didn't find it in the op
21:45   Nighthawk   i'm trying to think of a way we can use this to possibly catch a newer wolf
21:45   Nighthawk   i'm thinking of posting something which suggests one way and hoping that a new wolf corrects me on it
21:46   Nighthawk   should i go for suggesting the wolves do or don't know?
21:46   Savvy-Sauce   what do you mean
21:46   Nighthawk   so basically
21:46   Nighthawk   If someone knows that the wolves do or don't know each other, they must be a wolf because the initial instructions aren't clear
21:47   Savvy-Sauce   honestly we could probably just send a pm to everyone
21:47   Nighthawk   and by knows, I mean is certain enough that they'd correct people on it.
21:47   Nighthawk   what would we say in the pm?
21:47   Savvy-Sauce   if the wolves are gullible enough to answer with certainty, they'll also probably be gullible enough to respond through the PM
21:47   Savvy-Sauce   say "maestro is offline, so i just wanted a quick answer: do the wolves know each other?"
21:50   Nighthawk   all right i'll bcc everyone on it.
21:50   Nighthawk   If I put Maestro as in the main message and he responds, do the people bcc'd get the response
21:50   Nighthawk   ?
21:50   Nighthawk   actually, it's probably too risky to include maestro in the pm
21:50   Savvy-Sauce   he can't see the bcc'd people, so i don't think so
21:50   Nighthawk   if he gets it he might post the response in the thread
21:51   Nighthawk   actually, I'm not too sure if this will work.
21:51   Savvy-Sauce   what other suggestions do you have
21:51   Nighthawk   I think I'll have to suggest that wolves don't know each other, and then hope people correct me
21:51   Nighthawk   like propose some dumb alliance or something
21:52   Nighthawk   that way, we can see how people respond to it
21:52   Nighthawk   and by dumb alliance, i don't mean seer claiming
21:52   Nighthawk   i mean players forming voting alliances
21:52   Nighthawk   i think fsm's done that before
21:54   Nighthawk   Since the wolves don't know each other this game, I think it's imperative that we form voting alliances.  We won't be able to detect the wolves' voting patterns because they don't know each other, so it's hard to determine who might be wolves with each other. 
21:54   Nighthawk   that was what i'm planning on sending
21:54   Savvy-Sauce   wait so do the wolves know each other this game?
21:54   Nighthawk   i'm guessing probably not
21:55   Nighthawk   waith
21:55   Nighthawk   the other one
21:55   Savvy-Sauce   well then nobody will correct that
21:55   Nighthawk   i think they probably do since it hasn't been specified otherwise
21:55   Nighthawk   i'm looking thru host signup threads to see if he's ever specified
21:55   Savvy-Sauce   i can ask maestro
21:55   Savvy-Sauce   he's in the chat
21:55   Savvy-Sauce   err
21:55   Savvy-Sauce   "mephistopheles"
21:55   Nighthawk   ask him
21:55   Savvy-Sauce   okay
21:58   Nighthawk   i sent the pm
21:58   Nighthawk   but i could only send it to 10 people
21:58   Nighthawk   because nsm has a rule to prevent spammers
21:58   Savvy-Sauce   who'd you leave out
21:58   Nighthawk   i tried to take out people who would figure it out/wouldn't respond
21:58   Nighthawk   let me check
21:59   Nighthawk   sent it to dude, slow, gz, blueflower, sheikah, social, bds, fsm, tbwcw, and waddle bro
21:59   Nighthawk   hope they respond
21:59   Savvy-Sauce   y not bubbles
21:59   Nighthawk   idk i had to take someone out and i didn't think bubbles would respond
22:00   Nighthawk   probably not the best choice
22:00   Nighthawk   i knew i wanted shadowkirby out
22:00   Nighthawk   then i took out davy because i thought he would see through it, but that was a horrible idea because he might see it before since he's from europe
22:00   Nighthawk   probably should have taken out dude instead of bubbles
22:03   Savvy-Sauce   whoa shit were there always 4 wolves?
22:03   Nighthawk   no
22:03   Nighthawk   there were 3 when there were 15 players
22:03   Nighthawk   *12 players
22:12   Nighthawk   so uh
22:13   Nighthawk   i just got a pm from social
22:13   Nighthawk   asking me to explain more
22:14   Nighthawk   what do i do
22:17   Savvy-Sauce   confess that you're a wolf to him
22:17   Savvy-Sauce   be really convincing
22:17   Nighthawk   what would be my reason for confession?
22:17   Savvy-Sauce   that you think he's a wolf as well
22:18   Nighthawk   why don't you do it?
22:18   Savvy-Sauce   say "that's why I asked if the master wolf knew himself"
22:18   Savvy-Sauce   because he's talking to you, isn't he?
22:18   Nighthawk   oh rite i sent him the PM
22:19   Savvy-Sauce   honestly i do suspect him
22:19   Nighthawk   why?
22:20   Savvy-Sauce   his first real post in the thread was a question relating to how the wolfings worked
22:20   Nighthawk   oh shit
22:20   Nighthawk   that's actually a good question
22:20   Nighthawk   because it means that the wolfings may already be decided
22:21   Savvy-Sauce   what do you mean
22:21   Nighthawk   that's how they worked in his last game
22:21   Savvy-Sauce   but... how
22:21   Savvy-Sauce   who would have decided the wolfing
22:21   Savvy-Sauce   i dont understand
22:22   Nighthawk   the first wolfing pm counts
22:22   Nighthawk   that is all
22:22   Nighthawk   could have been anyone who has gotten their pm
22:22   Nighthawk   and sent one in to meph
22:22   Nighthawk   this changes things
22:22   Savvy-Sauce   but is that how it works
22:22   Nighthawk   Probably!
22:23   Nighthawk   also
22:23   Nighthawk   i confessed to being a wolf to fox
22:23   Nighthawk   somewhere between 1.5 and 2 minutes ago
22:24   Savvy-Sauce   thank you for the accurate time estimate
22:25   Savvy-Sauce   what's he saying gimme the goods
22:25   Nighthawk   i sent you the log
22:25   Nighthawk   he's not saying anything
22:25   Savvy-Sauce   hm
22:25   Savvy-Sauce   it would be hilarious catching a wolf 15 minutes into the game
22:26   Savvy-Sauce   and if he's taking a long time to respond
22:26   Savvy-Sauce   maybe he's weighing his options?
22:26   Nighthawk   I think he is
22:26   Savvy-Sauce   i asked him a silly quesiton in teh chat
22:26   Nighthawk   want me torespond?
22:26   Nighthawk   oh he got back to me
22:26   Savvy-Sauce   i was going to say, if he answerd the pokemon question first, he was thinking about your question rather than afk
22:28   Nighthawk   22:27   FaustVII   I think that you are trying to make me claim wolf? 22:27   vermilionvermin   Wolves are weighing their options. 22:27   FaustVII   *wolf. 22:27   vermilionvermin   I'm not trying to make you claim wolf. 22:27   vermilionvermin   I'm trying to see if you've sent in a PM 22:27   FaustVII   No.
22:30   Nighthawk   22:28   FaustVII   Because I'm Human. 22:28   vermilionvermin   I don't think you are! 22:28   vermilionvermin   And I'm confident enough in that. 22:28   vermilionvermin   Confident enough to tell you I'm a wolf
22:31   Nighthawk   at what point do we post this?
22:32   Nighthawk   I guess it's safe to wait until he posts that he knows i'm a wolf
22:32   Nighthawk   or leaves the chat.
22:32   Nighthawk   he's gotten off-topic
22:33   Savvy-Sauce   i'd keep at it
22:33   Savvy-Sauce   i would think that if he was human, he'd tell the thread
22:33   Savvy-Sauce   or at least tell the thread come day phase
22:33   Nighthawk   why wait?
22:33   Savvy-Sauce   what do you mean
22:33   Nighthawk   why would he wait, i mean?
22:33   Nighthawk   until day phase
22:33   Nighthawk   that risks that he dies
22:34   Savvy-Sauce   i could see him not thinking it was very important to bring up until day phase
22:34   Nighthawk   I don't.
22:34   Nighthawk   I feel like he'd be impulsive
22:34   Nighthawk   though i don't know why
22:35   Savvy-Sauce   well as long as you've confessed then
22:35   Nighthawk   I feel like he'd at least have told you
22:35   Savvy-Sauce   if he doesn't say anything by day phase though, we can figure something out
22:36   Nighthawk   who is lillian lust
22:37   Nighthawk   sounds like a porn star
22:39   Nighthawk   oh shit we have a confession
22:39   Nighthawk   22:38   FaustVIII   I may or may not have sent in my own PM. 22:38   vermilionvermin   sounds like you did. 22:38   vermilionvermin   who did you wolf? 22:39   FaustVIII   Dude.
22:39   Nighthawk   22:39   FaustVIII   If Slow dies I trust you. 22:39   FaustVIII   Wait no.
22:39   Nighthawk   time to post methinks
22:40   Nighthawk   22:39   FaustVIII   I chose to kill FSM. 22:40   FaustVIII   If FSM dies then your lying. 22:40   vermilionvermin   when did you send that in? 22:40   vermilionvermin   and why did you think it used to be dude? 22:40   FaustVIII   Just now.'
22:41   Nighthawk   Savvy-Sauce: are you there?
22:41   Nighthawk   he's not responding
22:41   Nighthawk   i think he may be doing the same thing i'm doing to him
22:42   Nighthawk   this is inconsistent
22:42   Nighthawk   fuck it i'm posting this

Log # 2 (general chat, Socialfox is variations of Faust.)  Bolded parts are bolded just because they show when Socialfox was typing and such. 

Quote22:15   vermilionvermin   hey Mephistopheles, question about the wolves
22:15   vermilionvermin   does the master wolf know who he is?
22:15   Mephistopheles   Yes.
22:15   vermilionvermin   all right
22:15   vermilionvermin   good to know
22:16   FaustVII   Why is that so Good verm.
22:16   FaustVII   ?
22:16   FaustVII   ?
22:16   vermilionvermin   It's good to know because then we know how to expect him to behave.
22:16   vermilionvermin   If a player seems like they want to be seered a lot, then there's a chance they're the master wolf
22:17   vermilionvermin   that's not really the case if the MW is just told he's a wolf
22:17   FaustVII   Okay.
22:22   FaustVII   Hello Bird how are you today?
22:22   bird   i'm pretty good
22:26   bird   FaustVII: favorite pokemon???
22:27   FaustVII   Absol FTW.
22:29   vermilionvermin   I'm partial to Teddiursa, though the Snivy line has grown on me.

Log #3, my private chat with SocialFox.

Quote22:19   vermilionvermin   that was convincing, wasn't it?
22:19   vermilionvermin   the pm
22:20   vermilionvermin   people will think i'm human, right?
22:21   vermilionvermin   I sent in the first wolfing PM.
22:21   FaustVII   Why are you asking that?
22:21   vermilionvermin   Because you're a wolf too.
22:21   vermilionvermin   I can tell from the question you asked about the way wolfings work.
22:23   vermilionvermin   Slow is going to die tonight, unless you sent in a PM earlier
22:25   vermilionvermin   have you sent in any pm?
22:26   FaustVII   You said that you found me just by me asking that.
22:26   FaustVII   Somehow.
22:26   vermilionvermin   I did.
22:26   vermilionvermin   It's not something a human would be interested in.
22:27   FaustVII   I think that you are trying to make me claim wolf?
22:27   vermilionvermin   Wolves are weighing their options.
22:27   FaustVII   *wolf.
22:27   vermilionvermin   I'm not trying to make you claim wolf.
22:27   vermilionvermin   I'm trying to see if you've sent in a PM
22:27   FaustVII   No.
22:28   FaustVII   Because I'm Human.
22:28   vermilionvermin   I don't think you are!
22:28   vermilionvermin   And I'm confident enough in that.
22:28   vermilionvermin   Confident enough to tell you I'm a wolf
22:30   FaustVII   do you know who faust Vii is?
22:30   vermilionvermin   Not too familiar, no
22:30   vermilionvermin   I know who the original faust is
22:31   FaustVII   Could He revive?
22:31   vermilionvermin   All I know is that the original faust made a bargain with the devil.
22:32      *** FaustVII is now known as FaustVIII
22:33   FaustVIII   http://shamanking.wikia.com/wiki/Faust_VIII
22:33   FaustVIII   Now you know.
22:35   FaustVIII   Also.
22:35   FaustVIII   If you are a wolf.
22:35   FaustVIII   What wolf are you?
22:35   vermilionvermin   Not the master wolf
22:35   vermilionvermin   I don't know which one
22:35   vermilionvermin   that's why I asked the question
22:36   FaustVIII   You are Lillian Lust.
22:36   FaustVIII   The Girl with the Bust.
22:37   vermilionvermin   sounds cool
22:38   FaustVIII   I may or may not have sent in my own PM.
22:38   vermilionvermin   sounds like you did.
22:38   vermilionvermin   who did you wolf?
22:39   FaustVIII   Dude.
22:39   FaustVIII   If Slow dies I trust you.
22:39   FaustVIII   Wait no.
22:39   FaustVIII   I chose to kill FSM.
22:40   FaustVIII   If FSM dies then your lying.
22:40   vermilionvermin   when did you send that in?
22:40   vermilionvermin   and why did you think it used to be dude?
22:40   FaustVIII   Just now.
22:43   FaustVIII   I was choosing who to wolf.
22:43   vermilionvermin   okay
22:44   FaustVIII   Both Bird and Dude were possibilities
22:44   vermilionvermin   yeah
22:44   vermilionvermin   i was thinking about bird as well, but i decided he was too likely to be guarded
22:44   FaustVIII   I was trying to not pick the odvious choice.
22:53   FaustVIII   Leaving now.
22:53   vermilionvermin   okay

Summary of this is that Bird asked me to claim wolf to Socialfox.  I did, and Socialfox took a really long time responding to me.  He was hesitant to admit to being a wolf and openly denied it at points but slowly admitted to being a wolf.  Here's the kicker:  He left without posting anything detailing my "confession".  I would have thought that a human would be excited about catching a wolf, no?  But he said nothing, not even to Bird.

Actully, I was trying to lead you on. I was Fake claiming wolf to you.

Then why would you not mention Nighthawk claiming wolf to the thread? That seems pretty important, and a human would likely want to share that information.

SocialFox, you suck. :( You want to wolf the man who might never see TWG ever again. ::)

ninja'd

Quote from: SocialFox on November 07, 2012, 11:06:30 PMActully, I was trying to lead you on. I was Fake claiming wolf to you.

woah, i didn't see this coming ::)

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 07, 2012, 11:02:31 PMSummary of this is that Bird asked me to claim wolf to Socialfox.  I did, and Socialfox took a really long time responding to me.  He was hesitant to admit to being a wolf and openly denied it at points but slowly admitted to being a wolf.  Here's the kicker:  He left without posting anything detailing my "confession".  I would have thought that a human would be excited about catching a wolf, no?  But he said nothing, not even to Bird.

If anything, I feel as if that would make SocialFox seem less suspicious: he was probably wondering whether he should try and risk baiting you in by saying that he was a wolf, and risk you revealing that in the game topic, thus making him suspicious from the start of the game??

I wasn't sure if verm was fake claiming or not.
As verm is one of our best players, if I revealed it, he would be lynched day one without being able to post a defence.(like FSm in TWG XL)
Plus I was reading Bleach and One piece at the time.

I would have had ample time to post a defense in the next day.  I was also still online at the time.  And people generally don't insta without letting someone defend themselves.

Also it doesn't really matter. If you really sent in your PM to kill Dude, he'll die this phase. Maestro's wolfing system takes the first PM any of the wolves send, and it's likely that yours was the first.

You really might as well give up now.

Quote from: Bird on November 07, 2012, 11:14:34 PMAlso it doesn't really matter. If you really sent in your PM to kill Dude, he'll die this phase. Maestro's wolfing system takes the first PM any of the wolves send, and it's likely that yours was the first.

You really might as well give up now.

You did not read that Log.

Quote from: Bird on November 07, 2012, 11:14:34 PMAlso it doesn't really matter. If you really sent in your PM to kill Dude, he'll die this phase. Maestro's wolfing system takes the first PM any of the wolves send, and it's likely that yours was the first.

You really might as well give up now.

If SocialFox isn't a wolf, then it's likely that a real wolf will see this as a chance to take out two near-guarenteed humans. One by wolfing, one by lynching.

Quote from: SocialFox on November 07, 2012, 11:12:24 PMAs verm is one of our best players, if I revealed it, he would be lynched day one without being able to post a defence.(like FSm in TWG XL)

I don't get this. ???

ninja'd You're trying too hard. -.-

I made a mistake and recommended that Faust guard Dude.  Faust should guard FSM, not Dude, as that is the second person Social said he was wolfing.

yay my frst game :D

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 07, 2012, 11:18:23 PMI made a mistake and recommended that Faust guard Dude.  Faust should guard FSM, not Dude, as that is the second person Social said he was wolfing.

And should we try a seering?

That brings me to a question: Since there's a 50/50 chance of either power working, where one works and the other doesn't (is this correct, from what I gathered from reading ???), if only one player does their action, would that guarentee 100% chance?

Nope, even if one of the two didn't use their power, I would still do the coin flip.

...is it just me, or does it say that I'm offline?

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 07, 2012, 11:18:23 PMI made a mistake and recommended that Faust guard Dude.  Faust should guard FSM, not Dude, as that is the second person Social said he was wolfing.

Faust is the Seer.

Hey potatoes I think that we potatoes should start looking at the potatoes below is

What are you talking about?

I think this potatoes going to become mash soon

I decided to change my online status to permanent hidden during TWG's because FSM stalks to much on WO so that if I am a wolf, I'm not caught sending PM's and if I do not hide myself while being a human, people will immediately know that I'm a wolf if they see me making an action while I'm actually hidden.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 07, 2012, 11:02:31 PM22:00   Nighthawk   then i took out davy because i thought he would see through it, but that was a horrible idea because he might see it before since he's from europe

I don't get that last part. Especially because FSM and Waddle are from Europe to.

Hello davy how are you today.

I'm sure social is a wolf, he avoids the question at one point and changes subject. I've hear enough,

vote: socialfox

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 08, 2012, 01:59:33 AMI'm sure social is a wolf, he avoids the question at one point and changes subject. I've hear enough,

vote: socialfox

You do realise that.
1.I didn't avoid the question.
2.It's the Night phase.

1. Ill get a quote when I get home
2. I was just testing you

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 07, 2012, 09:23:25 PMIt is now Night 1, Night 1 ends 12:00AM CST, Friday Nov. 9

I'll update this with the other time zones, just give me which ones you need.

GMT would be nice. Also for Waddle Bro to know, GMT is two hours back from our time.

Gj Social. >_>

Dear Mephistopheles,

I wanted to ask one thing. Are we allowed to speak of deals that haven't yet occurred for example: "No one make this kind of deal, because I'll do it"

FSM-Reapr

Quote22:28   vermilionvermin   I don't think you are!
22:28   vermilionvermin   And I'm confident enough in that.
22:28   vermilionvermin   Confident enough to tell you I'm a wolf
22:30   FaustVII   do you know who faust Vii is?

That's your avoiding the topic quote right there.

Oh and I'm in chat, so come.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 08, 2012, 07:54:24 AMDear Mephistopheles,

I wanted to ask one thing. Are we allowed to speak of deals that haven't yet occurred for example: "No one make this kind of deal, because I'll do it"

FSM-Reapr

He said we could in the sign-up thread.

I think we should discuss some potential deals. Guarding power, anyone?

Everyone come to the chat!

http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM

why am I the only person in the chat -.-

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 08, 2012, 08:59:37 AMwhy am I the only person in the chat -.-

Because I've been asleep for quite some time. :P

Dear Mephistopheles,
                            I write to you in order to suggest a proposition.  I shall sacrifice all the Players in the game in return for my winning of it.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Hugs and Kisses,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mashi

Wait, what just happened.

Nighthawk acted like he was a wolf, then said to socialfox "hey i'm a wolf, and i think ur a wolf too, what's up" and so socialfox was like "hey i pm'd da host to kill dude or fsm or something" and then Nighthawk was PRETENDING THE WHOLE TIME and is actually human, and told the thread that socialfox was a wolf, then socialfox was like "uhh... i was pretending too."

Also you're probably going to die tonight. Sorry Dude! :(

It's kinda obvious that if Social's a wolf, he should claim to unite the two other wolves.

QUICK EVERYBODY CLAIM WOLF TO SOCIALFOX

Once more for clarification:

The wolves do not know each other, first PM recieved wins.

If in the event that either the seer or guardian don't send in a PM, the coin flip will still occur.

Any PMs sent to MaestroUGC will be ignored during the course of the game.

There are no deals accepted right now, I will make a post proper when the office is open.

Thank you,
-The Management

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 08, 2012, 01:17:52 PMIt's kinda obvious that if Social's a wolf, he should claim to unite the two other wolves.

QUICK EVERYBODY CLAIM WOLF TO SOCIALFOX

It's kinda obvious that you're trying to get all the wolves to claim to SocialFox, so you'll know who they are. :P

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 08, 2012, 01:42:12 PMIt's kinda obvious that you're trying to get all the wolves to claim to SocialFox, so you'll know who they are. :P

What?

I think he's trying to prevent the wolves from knowing each other by mixing the legitimate wolf claims with a bunch of false-claims from humans.

If SocialFox isn't a wolf, you won't make things any better...

I feel as if SocialFox's response was a bit confused, as if he WERE are human. But that's jut me, I guess...

Quote from: Bird on November 08, 2012, 01:46:31 PMI think he's trying to prevent the wolves from knowing each other by mixing the legitimate wolf claims with a bunch of false-claims from humans.

Yes. wtf BDS ???

That will just make things even worse, or more confusing. What if the real wolves are the only ones to claim human, mixed in with one or two more human claims? Results will be contradictory and merely confusing.
It won't confuse the wolves as much as it does the humans.

I think most people at this point think that Socialfox is a wolf, so we're proceeding as if that's the case. That means damage control, and preventing him from using his suspicious position to unite his teammates.

Yeah, there's a chance he's human as well, but he never actually asked for wolves to claim to him, so it's not like we could have made him useful in that situation anyway.

Could it be possible that the wolves have already found out at least one of each other? Meaning that those two wolves are seeking the third wolf? Or is it more likely that they're in the dark?

Social should claim wolf even if he's a human to sell out the most potential wolves ::)

Quote from: Bird on November 08, 2012, 01:14:34 PMAlso you're probably going to die tonight. Sorry Dude! :(

I'm too good at this game, I guess. ::)

Social Fox, if you seriously are a wolf, then... this has to be a new record. A wolf being discovered before the first night phase is even over!

Also, mandatory post. This whole deal thing is kinda scaring me, but I am intrigued. I may ask for a deal just to see what the price will be. But if I don't make any, don't be surprised.

Quote from: blueflower999 on November 08, 2012, 02:19:51 PMSocial Fox, if you seriously are a wolf, then... this has to be a new record. A wolf being discovered before the first night phase is even over!

*cough*Gotta Catch 'em All*cough*

My PM inbox is acting a little weird today... so if any of you get multiples of messages I send, it's because it refused to send it the first time. :S

Why are you sending messages?  :o

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 08, 2012, 02:43:17 PMWhy are you sending messages?  :o

Communication, why else? :P

Also, FSM and Waddle Bro, thank you for your claims.

5 posts before the first phase ends...wow Social :P

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 08, 2012, 02:32:42 PMMy PM inbox is acting a little weird today... so if any of you get multiples of messages I send, it's because it refused to send it the first time. :S

It sometimes does that when you hit buttons like tab, since I thought that that worked as an indent but apparently it highlight the send message button ::)

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 08, 2012, 02:43:17 PMWhy are you sending messages?  :o

I think that in this game (though not in night 1) its pretty standard to be seen sending messages, since the wolves dont know each other anyway, and other players would be making deals with Mephistopheles. But I would like to know who BDS was "communicating" with, since that seems like a generic answer that could mean anything

Hey guys.
So I'm a human. AGAIN. Is there some sort of secret TWC rule that I have to be human EVERY GAME.

Quote from: shadowkirby on November 08, 2012, 05:03:05 PMHey guys.
So I'm a human. AGAIN. Is there some sort of secret TWC rule that I have to be human EVERY GAME.

totes

Quote from: shadowkirby on November 08, 2012, 05:03:05 PMHey guys.
So I'm a human. AGAIN. Is there some sort of secret TWC rule that I have to be human EVERY GAME.

You were wolf in Professer Layton.

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. Hercules
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby

Dude has been taken to Dis, his soul is now forfeit
It is now Day 1, Day 1 ends 2:00AM Sunday, Nov.11

My Offices are now open, you may strike deals as you wish.

I work late, so that's way the phase ends so late. No, I will not adjust it for any reason.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 08, 2012, 10:05:30 PMNo, I will not adjust it for any reason.

What about an insta?  ::)

Anyway, since Dude died, I guess we can be pretty sure that Social is a wolf, right?

However, I think it might be wise not to insta him yet, to allow players who need it to make deals today.

Quote from: davy on November 08, 2012, 10:14:28 PMWhat about an insta?  ::)

Anyway, since Dude died, I guess we can be pretty sure that Social is a wolf, right?

However, I think it might be wise not to insta him yet, to allow players who need it to make deals today.

FSM claimed wolf.

Quote from: davy on November 08, 2012, 10:14:28 PMWhat about an insta?  ::)

Anyway, since Dude died, I guess we can be pretty sure that Social is a wolf, right?

However, I think it might be wise not to insta him yet, to allow players who need it to make deals today.

If I were a wolf, why would I reveal the two wolf claims?

Because none of the claims you received are reliable after FSM told everyone to claim wolf to you.  I agree that we should hold off on the Socialfox insta though.

Just a reminder, you must follow through and accept the deals as described, otherwise they will not go through.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 08, 2012, 10:24:29 PMBecause none of the claims you received are reliable after FSM told everyone to claim wolf to you.  I agree that we should hold off on the Socialfox insta though.

FSM and Waddle Bro claimed before that.

Right everyone, here's what we are going to do,

We are all going to make a deal to make an unstoppable seer on the person below us on the playerlist. That way noone can block or stop our seer and we are guaranteed to find a wolf. You must go forward with the deal then on the day phase we vote for whoever turned red.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 09, 2012, 12:24:24 AMRight everyone, here's what we are going to do,

We are all going to make a deal to make an unstoppable seer on the person below us on the playerlist. That way noone can block or stop our seer and we are guaranteed to find a wolf. You must go forward with the deal then on the day phase we vote for whoever turned red.

And Now any hope of that plan working will fail.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 09, 2012, 12:24:24 AMRight everyone, here's what we are going to do,

We are all going to make a deal to make an unstoppable seer on the person below us on the playerlist. That way noone can block or stop our seer and we are guaranteed to find a wolf. You must go forward with the deal then on the day phase we vote for whoever turned red.

We can be next to sure Mephisto won't grant a deal like that. He will most likely not allow us to use our deals to make the game unballanced, which is something this deal will sure do.

Wolves could just make a deal to be seered green or something.

I think part of the beauty of this game is that, if the host is wise enough, there aren't any loopholes. And even if he lets a faulty deal slip through, it can be challenged.

Also SocialFox is a confirmed wolf now. Sorry man, we have to lynch you. :(

And I just sent in a batch of deal ideas, to get an idea of how costs will work. I'll get back to you guys once I have some form of a plan.

Other than Waddle, did you send in any more people?

Every claim you received was actually one of my minions carrying out orders I gave them.

You're reality is just a lie that I've engineered. Smile for the cameras, you're on "The SocialFox Show".

Quote from: Bird on November 09, 2012, 01:49:09 AMEvery claim you received was actually one of my minions carrying out orders I gave them.

You're reality is just a lie that I've engineered. Smile for the cameras, you're on "The SocialFox Show".

What time is the Show on?

Notice:

I'm going to bed before the sun comes up, please be aware that I might not get back to your PMs for another 7 hours.

Quote from: SocialFox on November 08, 2012, 10:16:40 PMFSM claimed wolf.

lol I can't copypasta my claim but it was like this:

QuoteI'm a wolf. Could you tell me my wuff buddy?

thnx

Mozilla Firefox

Also Waddle was my secret undercover agent I told to claim to you. teehee

Also guys, I recommend that if the jury will be summoned it should be today. Dude the confirmed human could help a lot with the deals.

FSM had a plan. I helped him with that.

This is not copypasted from the claim I sent to SocialFox. FSM said I should use my n00bishness as an advantage. So I did, by sending this PM:

QuoteHey, I don't know how this game works, but it's obvious that you're a wolf. I'm a wolf too. It's obvious that you'll die the next Day, so you should claim wolf to make the last wolf to claim to you and I would know my other wolf partner.

Are you okay with this?

We have a potential suspect with FSM, but I won't share that until the next Day, because he could do a deal that would hurt the humans somehow.

Quote from: Waddle Bro on November 09, 2012, 06:03:19 AMFSM had a plan. I helped him with that.

This is not copypasted from the claim I sent to SocialFox. FSM said I should use my n00bishness as an advantage. So I did, by sending this PM:
We have a potential suspect with FSM, but I won't share that until the next Day, because he could do a deal that would hurt the humans somehow.

This is true. We had a real-life conversation where I saw that he wasn't lying. Trust me, I've lived with him for like 13 and a half years.

I would ask you to stop discussing TWG in a medium outside of the thread or chat, as I have no way to monitor whether or not you are discussing deals, which is cheating.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 09, 2012, 07:23:57 AMI would ask you to stop discussing TWG in a medium outside of the thread or chat, as I have no way to monitor whether or not you are discussing deals, which is cheating.

We were not. But okay. We did talk about deals before the game even won the host sign-ups though.

socialfox sorry, brah.

people who definitely need to be seered:

shadowkirby
verm

What did I do

I defend shadowkirby, and, although I'm a bit reluctant, I vote for SocialFox.

I feel as if there are other, more likely candidates for wolves, but, oh well...

SocialFox.

But lets hold off the insta. I don't think we're there quite yet, but we're getting close.

socialfox

just so i don't get a phantom

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 09, 2012, 12:39:20 PMI defend shadowkirby, and, although I'm a bit reluctant, I vote for SocialFox.

I feel as if there are other, more likely candidates for wolves, but, oh well...

What do you mean with defending Shadow, I don't see a reason why he should be seer'd, but I also do not see a reason not to seer him.

Also, more likely candidates? Please enlighten us.

I'm off to work, if I didn't respond to you I didn't have time.

I'll get you as soon as I can.

Quote from: shadowkirby on November 09, 2012, 12:28:24 PMWhat did I do

The same thing you always do: nothing. We won't be able to tell if you're a human or a wolf unless you post more, and I doubt that's going to happen. So I'm recommending you to be seered.

Quote from: davy on November 09, 2012, 01:13:08 PMWhat do you mean with defending Shadow, I don't see a reason why he should be seer'd, but I also do not see a reason not to seer him.

Also, more likely candidates? Please enlighten us.

Exactly. It could be a wasted seer, and would potentially open him to wolfings.

Other people... acting suspiciously. Although you probably wouldn't listen much to me... because it's so early on in the game, and nearly everyone has been acting if even a little "inconsistent."

BDS: Can you give us names and examples, rather than just saying "people" every time?

Specifically FSM and vermilionvermin, less so with FSM. Neither of their actions seemed to justify their intended "reasons" for doing them, especially with vermilionvermin, trying to get SocialFox to "admit" he was a wolf.

I don't see how SocialFox's actions instantly make him a wolf... again, with vermilionvermin, SocialFox himself could have been trying to get vermilionvermin to "admit" he was a wolf. If he were a wolf, I don't think he would be that confused and conflicted with his actions.

But then there's also the evidence that he said he voted for Dude to die, and look who died.

Quote from: shadowkirby on November 09, 2012, 01:46:10 PMBut then there's also the evidence that he said he voted for Dude to die, and look who died.

A real wolf could have easily seen that and decided to vote for Dude as well, to make SocialFox seem like a wolf. Wolves are ruthless (Captain Obvious statement...). There's more than one wolf (another obvious statement)...

Yeh but the Wolf's might have already sent in their pm and only the first pm can be accepted.

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 09, 2012, 01:58:08 PMYeh but the Wolf's might have already sent in their pm and only the first pm can be accepted.

Eh what? I know that only the first PM can be accepted. But if SocialFox isn't a wolf, he couldn't have sent in a wolfing PM...

*Holds off on voting for Social Fox for insta*

I think I'm just going to play around a little bit and see what deals come with what prices. Needless to say, I can already tell before trying any deals that this is one of those things where you have to be REALLY specific so you're not cheated. The old "I want to be a great ruler" *Gets turned into a ruler* thing.

Gz is being pretty quiet than he should. He's only posted twice here and both posts haven't been exactly helpful. He is active elsewhere so this is pretty strange..

I made a convincing claim and he sent me this PM:

QuoteOkay, still not too sure on weather or not you are telling the truth or not, but I'll let it go for now.
Safety or Wolf Anyone but these people.

The Last Sheikh
Bird
Vermverm
SocialFox
Blackdragonslayer
Shadowkirby
Gzgreg
Slowpoke.

These People are either going to Phantom Out, claimed wolf, random people, or people I want to kill.

Yours truly

Faust VIII

Would a human really say something like that, when he's already in deep water?

Also that's a very good point TBWCW. Where is GZG?

Quote from: Bird on November 09, 2012, 02:03:58 PMI made a convincing claim and he sent me this PM:

Would a human really say something like that, when he's already in deep water?

Also that's a very good point TBWCW. Where is GZG?

Yes. He believes our claims/is testing our claims and is trying to confirm them by drawing us in... by making himself seem like a wolf.

What you're saying is definitely possible, but it is just so much less likely than him simply being a wolf.

Last time Gz was quiet in a game on cfm;

Quotequote from a TWG on CFM:
I reread through it again today, and I happened to notice one thing. Gz's been awfully quiet. I mean he's never been to talkative, but still this was quiet for him, and as evidence has shown that is a rather likely indication that they are talking to somebody else. And since the only group that communicates (that we know of) is the Wolves. Now we could simply assume that Gz just happens to have some other role we don't know about that specifically comunicates with others, but I rather doubt it. So thus we can assume that he is a wolf.

http://cheese.formice.com/forum/xfa-groups-thread/twg-viii-wolfcraft.622/?page=23 (http://cheese.formice.com/forum/xfa-groups-thread/twg-viii-wolfcraft.622/?page=23)

Gz ended up being a Wolf. I know for a fact that someone is wrong with Gz for this game because he has been active on Cfm, and he usually comes online like twice a day.

unvote
vote: Gzgregory

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 09, 2012, 02:17:54 PM unvote
vote: Gzgregory

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that you don't have to say "unvote" to remove your vote, unless you want to remove it altogether. You also don't have to say "vote" before your current vote. That's the whole purpose of bolding it. Just putting someone's name in bold instantly changes your vote to that person. You don't have to go out of your way to remove it, and then change it in the same post.

Of course, you could do it if you wanted to, I suppose. But it would just save you time if you didn't.  :P

BDS, here's why Socialfox is a wolf before anything that Bird's arguing now.

He admits that he saw me say I was a wolf.  This was in a private chat, and he didn't tell anyone.  No human would hide a confirmed wolf's identity from the thread.  It might have made sense for him to wait a while before posting the log to see if he could have gotten more information out of me, but the fact that he left the chat and posted in the thread without revealing my "confession" means that he wasn't planning on telling anyone.  There is no reason why a human would willingly hide a wolf's identity.

I'm also not sure why anyone wants me seered.  I caught a wolf.  If I were a wolf, I would have told Socialfox to post my confession in the thread so that my supposed fellow wolf didn't get himself lynched.  The only other way I could theoretically be a wolf was if I had made the decision to "confess" to Socialfox on my own.  I didn't.  Bird can vouch for me (or I may have posted the log I had with him, I can't remember).  He suggested I do what I did.

Also the words unvote and vote aren't needed to vote.

Quote from: blueflower999 on November 09, 2012, 02:19:53 PMTell me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that you don't have to say "unvote" to remove your vote, unless you want to remove it altogether. You also don't have to say "vote" before your current vote. That's the whole purpose of bolding it. Just putting someone's name in bold instantly changes your vote to that person. You don't have to go out of your way to remove it, and then change it in the same post.

Haha well it's helpful to the host I guess and it's a good habbit to start for my mafia site which requires me to do that.

Of course, you could do it if you wanted to, I suppose. But it would just save you time if you didn't.  :P

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 09, 2012, 02:22:03 PMBDS, here's why Socialfox is a wolf before anything that Bird's arguing now.

He admits that he saw me say I was a wolf.  This was in a private chat, and he didn't tell anyone.  No human would hide a confirmed wolf's identity from the thread.  It might have made sense for him to wait a while before posting the log to see if he could have gotten more information out of me, but the fact that he left the chat and posted in the thread without revealing my "confession" means that he wasn't planning on telling anyone.  There is no reason why a human would willingly hide a wolf's identity.

I'm also not sure why anyone wants me seered.  I caught a wolf.  If I were a wolf, I would have told Socialfox to post my confession in the thread so that my supposed fellow wolf didn't get himself lynched.  The only other way I could theoretically be a wolf was if I had made the decision to "confess" to Socialfox on my own.  I didn't.  Bird can vouch for me (or I may have posted the log I had with him, I can't remember).  He suggested I do what I did.

Also the words unvote and vote aren't needed to vote.

Also something I've just noticed, you said that Social didn't post in the game thread that you were a wolf, well he's just posted that FSM and Waddle claimed wolf to him. Quite suspicious.. just saying. I'm all for Social being wolf though, just want to be noticed I'm suspicious of Gz.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 09, 2012, 02:22:03 PMI'm also not sure why anyone wants me seered.  I caught a wolf.  If I were a wolf, I would have told Socialfox to post my confession in the thread so that my supposed fellow wolf didn't get himself lynched.  The only other way I could theoretically be a wolf was if I had made the decision to "confess" to Socialfox on my own.  I didn't.  Bird can vouch for me (or I may have posted the log I had with him, I can't remember).  He suggested I do what I did.

I have seen you work against your team many times if that meant survival. In a previous game, I claimed wolf, and you suggested to the thread that all the humans claim wolf to me, to prevent me from finding my partners. It turns out that you were actually a wolf that game.

I think it's entirely possible that you didn't believe SocialFox was a wolf at first, but by the time you had made that connection, you couldn't plausibly turn back and so had to expose him. You were playing the role of human, and before you knew it, you had played it too well! You wouldn't have told him to post your confession since at that point you didn't know he was a wolf until he failed to do just that. And I don't think you would have done that as a wolf anyway. I don't think you're that trusting.

Honestly, it's a compliment.

Quote from: Bird on November 09, 2012, 02:28:41 PMI have seen you work against your team many times if that meant survival. In a previous game, I claimed wolf, and you suggested to the thread that all the humans claim wolf to me, to prevent me from finding my partners. It turns out that you were actually a wolf that game.

I think it's entirely possible that you didn't believe SocialFox was a wolf at first, but by the time you had made that connection, you couldn't plausibly turn back and so had to expose him. You were playing the role of human, and before you knew it, you had played it too well! You wouldn't have told him to post your confession since at that point you didn't know he was a wolf until he failed to do just that. And I don't think you would have done that as a wolf anyway. I don't think you're that trusting.

Honestly, it's a compliment.

Was that NSM or LLF?

LLF. I think that game ended early since some people got mad at me over some stuff. I ended up catching two of the wolves before the game ended early.

http://llforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=2979 (http://llforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=2979)

Whoa, lot's happened already.  Sorry for inactivity, I've been playing a lot of Halo 4 recently.
Anyways, I've skimmed through the game and I'm not sure exactly what's happening, but I think some form of leadership might be beneficial.

Quote from: the_last_sheikah on November 09, 2012, 04:42:11 PMWhoa, lot's happened already.  Sorry for inactivity, I've been playing a lot of Halo 4 recently.
Anyways, I've skimmed through the game and I'm not sure exactly what's happening, but I think some form of leadership might be beneficial.

im teh allaince leder.

I don't think we need an alliance or anything. Humans shouldn't need somebody telling them what to do in order for them to be effective.

Seer should claim if he gets/got a red result though.

Ok, I believe I responded to all of you. If I didn't reply to a deal you proposed, just resend the message to me.

Notice: I seem to be missing parts of PM conversations, please make sure you've cc'd me in all PMs related to the game.

Thank you,
-The Management

Suspicion list time! ???
1: vermilionvermin: Could be a wolf trying to disguise himself, which would make sense for a wolf. If SocialFox is a wolf, that would be ironic...
2: Bird: Could be human, or easily could be wolf. Not exactly too sure yet.
3: FSM-Reapr: Actions make somewhat sense...
4: gzgregory: Weird semi-absence??

5: The Boy Who Cried Wolf: Seems human?
6: SocialFox: Seems human enough... but has potential to be a wolf.
7: shadowkirby: Seems human...
8: SlowPokemon: Not enough info yet?

9: blueflower999: Seems human, not enough info yet.
10: Bubbles_7689: Not enough info?
11: Waddle Bro: Not enough info?
12: davy: So far, has been acting like a human...

13: the_last_sheikah: Not enough info?
14: Dude: Could be a wolf's mistaken lynch, but I doubt it.
15: BlackDragonSlayer: :P

1. SocialFox - Obvious.
2. Gzgregory - Out of the ordinary inactivity, which matches up with a previous performance.
X. shadowkirby - Not enough info.
X. SlowPokemon
X. davy
X. blueflower999
X. Bubbles
X. the_last_sheikah
9. FSM-Reapr - Helped create plans to help the humans.
10. vermilionvermin - Helped catch socialfox.
11. The Boy Who Cried Wolf - Was suspicious about a person for sending messages. A wolf would realize that this wasn't suspicious, since the wolves didn't know each other.
12. Waddle Bro - False claimed to socialfox.
13. BDS - Extremely typical performance.
14. Bird - Moi.

Bird has started flipping cards.

Cardflips will now occur, starting with the next death of the game.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 09, 2012, 07:19:46 PMBird has started flipping cards.

Cardflips will now occur, starting with the next death of the game.

What, may I ask, are cardflips? :S

Player's colors are revealed at death.

Well, that's helpful, but I do show concern for the price our aviary friend must pay for this.

Ooo thanks bird. That was really smart :D I never would've thought of that. So it lasts the whole game from now on? Sorry I havent been active but the phase ends late for me and it was a school night, and I literally just got home after 4 or so hours.

Now, information is revealed even upon the player's lynching AND wolfing?

Im guessing, unless there was some hidden trick to the deal (which there probably was). I wonder what the price was?

Quote from: Bubbles7689 on November 09, 2012, 07:33:56 PMIm guessing, unless there was some hidden trick to the deal (which there probably was). I wonder what the price was?

It could be either, most likely, Bird gaining something harmful, or losing something helpful...

I can't breathe underwater anymore. :(

If I was Mephistopheles, I would have done something like make the roles reversed, or somehow make the results unreliable. Im just saying that were dealing with the devil here, so dont trust everything you see

I think Mephistopheles seems like a nice guy.  :)

Quote from: Bird on November 09, 2012, 07:45:11 PMI think Mephistopheles seems like a nice guy.  :)

I think that too... I hope so...
I just wonder what some of the later deals' payments will be. I can just imagine some extreme deals, and equally extreme payments. :P

BlackDragonSlayer, can you explain again why you think I'm suspicious?  Is it that you think I was a wolf and actually claimed my real role to Socialfox, or is it that I'm so sure that Socialfox is a wolf?  If it's the former, read the first four bolded lines of the first log in http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4956.msg176225#msg176225 .  If it's that I'm so sure Socialfox is a wolf, that applies to pretty much everyone in the game except for you and Socialfox.  I still don't understand why Social could be a human when he chose not to report what should have been a confirmed wolf.  Even if he had doubts, there was no reason not to tell the thread (or even another player) that I had told him that I was a wolf.

Quote from: Bird on November 09, 2012, 07:45:11 PMI think Mephistopheles seems like a nice guy.  :)

He's playing for the wolf team. -.-

Quote from: Bird on November 09, 2012, 06:59:51 PM14. Bird - Moi.

That's Finnish and it means "Hi". ;)

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 09, 2012, 08:55:13 PMBlackDragonSlayer, can you explain again why you think I'm suspicious?  Is it that you think I was a wolf and actually claimed my real role to Socialfox, or is it that I'm so sure that Socialfox is a wolf?  If it's the former, read the first four bolded lines of the first log in http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4956.msg176225#msg176225 .  If it's that I'm so sure Socialfox is a wolf, that applies to pretty much everyone in the game except for you and Socialfox.  I still don't understand why Social could be a human when he chose not to report what should have been a confirmed wolf.  Even if he had doubts, there was no reason not to tell the thread (or even another player) that I had told him that I was a wolf.

By trying to bait him in as a wolf and, possibly, in the case that you are a wolf, use him as a type of shield. How do you know he wasn't trying to do the same?
Reporting things instantly, with little or no backing from logical information, isn't always the best path to go, as it can result in MORE confusion, and a greater-than-normal chance of lynching a human.
In PM conversations (albeit small :P) I've had with SocialFox, he seems much like an ambitious human... or a really open-minded-in-a-foolish-way wolf. :P

Also SocialFox.

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 09, 2012, 10:23:14 PMIn PM conversations (albeit small :P) I've had with SocialFox, he seems much like an ambitious human... or a really open-minded-in-a-foolish-way wolf. :P

So you kept this information as a secret. Honestly, I think if you're gonna be in touch with a wolf, you should tell it to the one you think is the most human. Otherwise it's super suspicious. I did that when I false-claimed.

Quote from: Waddle Bro on November 09, 2012, 10:28:28 PMSo you kept this information as a secret. Honestly, I think if you're gonna be in touch with a wolf, you should tell it to the one you think is the most human. Otherwise it's super suspicious. I did that when I false-claimed.

If you knew why I didn't just proclaim it out for all to hear, you'd understand. :P Completely. :P

No, apparently you misunderstood me. I meant that if you're a human who's in touch with a wolf, you should tell your plan to someone you think is a human.

Bird, I would like to discuss with you for a while in the chat. I'll be waiting.

I'm getting a little suspicious of BDS now, anyone else? Seeeeer hiiim

Hey, sorry for the inactivity.

First off safety on FSM. I'd vote for Social, but he looks like he's got plenty of votes on him already.

Regarding Verm, well, despite the fact that I think revealing one of your wolf partners to look human is a bit far, I'd say that the strategy actually might work well in this whole "deal" situation. It's entirely possible that Social has taken out some sort of deal nudged by Verm, or that Verm has done so himself.

Gz, why were you inactive?

Also are we agreeing to lynch social then? I'm ready to do so if you guys are too.

NO INSTAS!!!

Why not? Everyone that wanted to make deals should have already done that.
Social

Social

Guys, I am not allowed to tell but no instas. Also davy I knew you'd be in favor to insta. ;)

If you don't want an insta, remove your own vote. It's awfully suspicious if you leave your vote on someone who's going to be insta'd soon while you want to avoid insta's.

Also, please explain why you knew that I would be in favor to insta.

Quote from: davy on November 10, 2012, 09:54:57 AMIf you don't want an insta, remove your own vote. It's awfully suspicious if you leave your vote on someone who's going to be insta'd soon while you want to avoid insta's.

Also, please explain why you knew that I would be in favor to insta.

You can't remove votes(common rule), but I can change them: davy just for teh lulz

And I can't. That would be against what Mr. Meph said to me.

Seems that fsm done a deal and I'm guessing that if social gets insta'd then someone will randomly die? Or maybe he will die himself.. Something bad will happen I'm guessing though.

I just need time, please? Humans have nothing to lose if this phase would not end in an insta.

Quote from: Waddle Bro on November 09, 2012, 11:26:50 PMNo, apparently you misunderstood me. I meant that if you're a human who's in touch with a wolf, you should tell your plan to someone you think is a human.

You, apparantly, don't understand completely either. ??? I've been very active in the PM section, with more than one person.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 10, 2012, 10:34:47 AMYou can't remove votes(common rule), but I can change them: davy just for teh lulz

Removing votes has been able voor dozens of TWG's. The fact that a couple of hosts (spit and verm if I am correct) didn't allow you to doesn't immediately make it a common rule.

Also, not removing vote because 1) I won't be able to change it afterwards and 2) I have become suspicious of you and I wouldn't like helping a wolf.

Safety on Sheikah
I agree with holding off an insta, perhaps we could get more information out of Socialfox before we kill him.

Since fsm kinda gave away that he made a deal, did that break a rule of the game? I knew something like this would happen since when people dont have a straight answer as to why they were sending a message or want something to happen, it would basically give away that the made a deal. Its ok since no one knows anything about the deal, except that somehow it has to do with an insta, right?

Safety on Bubbles

Quote from: Bubbles7689 on November 10, 2012, 12:27:09 PMSince fsm kinda gave away that he made a deal, did that break a rule of the game?

We all know Bird made the card flipping deal, and that was announced by Mephistopheles himself... but I don't think you can go into any significant detail? ???

Also, I think FSM's deal had something to do with davy. Possibly a seering of davy?

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 09, 2012, 12:24:24 AMRight everyone, here's what we are going to do,

We are all going to make a deal to make an unstoppable seer on the person below us on the playerlist. That way noone can block or stop our seer and we are guaranteed to find a wolf. You must go forward with the deal then on the day phase we vote for whoever turned red.

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 10, 2012, 12:37:49 PMAlso, I think FSM's deal had something to do with davy. Possibly a seering of davy?

If he did that, he listened perfectly to what TBWCW said

Quote from: davy on November 10, 2012, 12:47:08 PMIf he did that, he listened perfectly to what TBWCW said

I have good enough memory to remember that, fortunately; that's why that situation in particular came to mind.
If FSM wants to hold off on the insta, he must have found something important about your role, or is trying to utterly confuse us. :P

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 10, 2012, 12:37:49 PMWe all know Bird made the card flipping deal, and that was announced by Mephistopheles himself... but I don't think you can go into any significant detail? ???

You can. Look the rules carefully.

Quote from: Bubbles7689 on November 10, 2012, 12:27:09 PMSince fsm kinda gave away that he made a deal, did that break a rule of the game?

Mr. Meph can confirm that I haven't revealed that have I made a deal or not. Remember that I could be doing this because of someone else's deal(not confirming anything).

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 10, 2012, 10:34:47 AMYou can't remove votes(common rule)

Yes you can, it doesn't say anywhere you can't...

Anyway I died so here's my death post. Yay.

Bird because apparently instas are bad or something

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 10, 2012, 09:10:56 PMBird because apparently instas are bad or something

What, may I ask, are your reasons for being suspicious of Bird? I'm suspicious of Bird too... but I just want to know your logic... :P

It's a Saefty

Correct.  Bird is almost certainly human.

I read somewhere that you can't remove your vote completely once it has been made :o

Reminder: Phase ends in 2 hours

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. Hercules
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby

SocialFox has lost his bet, his soul is now forfeit, he was green.
It is now Night 2, Night 2 ends 1:00 AM CST Monday, Nov. 12

My Offices are still open, you may strike deals as you wish.

Please be aware that I reserve the right to stop taking deals, however if I do I will continue working on any approaches received before this point.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 11, 2012, 12:06:35 AMSocialFox has lost his bet, his soul is now forfeit, he was green.
It is now Night 2, Night 2 ends 1:00 AM Monday, Nov. 12

Either Master Wolf or human. :S

I think of three possible options: SocialFox was the Master Wolf, SocialFox made a deal that would paint himself green(that's what I would have done) or Bird's deal had something to do with people's colours but this is the most unlikely option.

Ninja'd

I was about to drop out anyway.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 11, 2012, 12:06:35 AMIt is now Night 2, Night 2 ends 1:00 AM Monday, Nov. 12

Is this EST, CST, GMT or what?

CST.

Can we have GMT? That would help me a lot.

Phase ends 7:00 AM GMT, Monday Nov 12.

chat

Waddle Bro found the following players to be red:

Bubbles 7689
BlackDragonSlayer
Bird
gzgregory
davy
Slowpokemon

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 11, 2012, 06:57:09 PMWaddle Bro found the following players to be red:

Bubbles 7689
BlackDragonSlayer
Bird
gzgregory
davy
Slowpokemon

Apparantly, three of these people aren't actually red.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 11, 2012, 06:57:09 PMWaddle Bro found the following players to be red:

Bubbles 7689
BlackDragonSlayer
Bird
gzgregory
davy
Slowpokemon

Sorry for double post...
I'm taking a guess, and saying that Bird, gzgregory, and davy are the real wolves...
The other three are either a likely result/payment of the possible deal, or "something else." :P :P :P

Based on the fact that I'm not a wolf, I'm going to go ahead and assert that the list is totally worthless. If it means anything, I think that the list might be "half wolves, half humans," but that's not a risk I'd really care to risk the game's outcome on.

I'll be looking for the wolves the old fashioned way, looks like.

Quote from: Bird on November 11, 2012, 09:13:07 PMBased on the fact that I'm not a wolf, I'm going to go ahead and assert that the list is totally worthless. If it means anything, I think that the list might be "half wolves, half humans," but that's not a risk I'd really care to risk the game's outcome on.

I'll be looking for the wolves the old fashioned way, looks like.

Ah, good ol' Bird... and I guess you don't want the seer to seer me... I suppose that doesn't matter either way now...

FSM said that he found something out about davy... didn't he? Gzgregory had the weird absence, which could normally be put aside, but... And you (I guess my gamble wasn't totally worthless)...
I trust Bubbles and SlowPokemon at this point; they've done nothing to suspicious...

There is no reason to trust either of those people.

Quote from: Bird on November 11, 2012, 09:33:51 PMThere is no reason to trust either of those people.

Neither is there significant reason not to suspect them. Not to mention that, if you were a human, you'd probably try to make the wolves believe you were a wolf without alerting the humans, rather than simply denying it completely.

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. Hercules
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby

BlackDragonSlayer has lost his bet, his soul is now forfeit, he was Red.
It is now Day 2, Day 2 ends 1:00 AM CST (7:00 AM GMT) Wednesday, Nov. 14

My Offices are still open, you may strike deals as you wish.

Please be aware that I reserve the right to stop taking deals, however if I do I will continue working on any approaches received before this point.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 11, 2012, 11:00:20 PMBlackDragonSlayer has lost his bet, his soul is now forfeit, he was Red.

Uhh...

Yeah okay so colors stopped making sense a long time ago.

Let's lynch Gzgregory. He's been super inactive and his name was on that dumb list.

My bad BDS was Red. Fixed the original post.

Oh, interesting.

Well that clears a few things up. So apparently the people on that list are actually red now. I'm pretty sure BDS changed his color to red through a deal because he wanted to be seered and have the wolves claim to them so he could find them out. I don't know if the plan would have worked really well, but I'm pretty sure he's human (doubt a wolf would have gone through with such a hare-brained scheme).

But I was almost totally certain I was green before I saw that post by Meph. So this means that either the wolves changed my color through a deal, or a human made a deal to have the names of the red players revealed to the thread, but Meph was a dick about it and made some humans red as well.

Either way, there have to be some humans and some wolves on that list, and GZG still sounds like a fine lynch option.

Oh you wolves. :P


It is a far, far better thing that I do, than I have ever done... well, a far better thing I tried to do...

See you on the other side, whether in victory or defeat, we shall not know 'till the end!!

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 11, 2012, 09:23:26 PMFSM said that he found something out about davy... didn't he?

FSM told me in chat that he didn't know that I was in favor of an insta, but had the feeling that I was in favor of an insta. So I should have an equil number of suspicion on me as most of the other players on that list.

Quote from: Bird on November 11, 2012, 11:11:23 PMOh, interesting.

Well that clears a few things up. So apparently the people on that list are actually red now. I'm pretty sure BDS changed his color to red through a deal because he wanted to be seered and have the wolves claim to them so he could find them out. I don't know if the plan would have worked really well, but I'm pretty sure he's human (doubt a wolf would have gone through with such a hare-brained scheme).

I actually think there's not such a low chance that BDS was a wolf. The game is, first wolfing sent in will be accepted. It's highly likely that a wolf had send in his PM far before that list of red people was posted. Also, as the wolves don't know eachother, a miswolfing can easily be made if someone is stressing to get in the wolfing to prevend oneself from being wolf'd.

Gregory for being quite inactive and being on the red player list.

Gzgregory because I still think he should die.

Gj Waddle. That was smart.

Yes, Davy is right.

Gzgregory because if he would be a human, he wouldn't be much use for us.

I am not allowed to tell the details, but I highly recommend the seer to seer the humans who are not in this list. Your previous seerings mean nothing now, trust me.

Also the wolves are super dumb, but more of that in the post game. xD

I have a feeling that one human was turned into a wolf.

Also removing vote for now.

http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=2231

Greg hasn't even been online so far for a long time. I would give the man chance to defend himself.

SlowPokemon

Also in da chat for an hour

Ah shit.
I'm going to admit that I don't have much of a defense besides the fact that I wasn't even on last night phase. And I certainly wouldn't have wolfed someone on the red list. But okay.
Regarding the list, first off, I'm going to point out the likelihood that a wolf has a painting power.
Second, considering Socialfox was green, I'm going to guess that Slow and Bubbles are likely wolves, for honestly the same reasons that you all think I'm a wolf. If I had to hazard another guess I'd say davy, but I still think at least one wolf is painted.

I'm also down for a bubbles lynch.

I'm in chat.

So, are we just... lynching inactives now? Is that the way to do it? I don't think so, personally.

Safety on TBWCW

Guys, we are coming to the stage where the deals could really mess us up, I think we should make sure we have at least 2 wolf candidates each time because we can't always be sure that our most voted player will be lynched.

Honestly, Im not listening to anything color-wise that Mephistopheles gives us. Like bird said, we have no idea of the deal, the price, or if anything was even accurate. What if Waddle was a wolf, and asked for 6 human players to be revealed as wolves? Theres no sure way to find out, even with Bird's cardflip. If you guys are really in the mood to lynch an inactive, I suggest shadowkirby since hes been active outside of the game with submissions but rarely here (even though thats like always)

>Say the ones on the list

Anyways, I suspect a high level of self-preservation went into Bubbles' post.  I think that that warrants a vote more than anything against Greg.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 12, 2012, 06:57:40 PM>Say the ones on the list

Anyways, I suspect a high level of self-preservation went into Bubbles' post.  I think that that warrants a vote more than anything against Greg.

She may have been self= preserving, but it's a true statement nonetheless.

If by self-preservation you mean that I told everyone why I shouldnt be suspicious after 2 other people (who were also on the list, btw) accused me, then yes, I was. If I didnt say anything you guys would jump all over me for being inactive when accused

Whoops, thought I'd voted earlier.
Bubbles for reasons stated in previous post, and also because of your defense. It sounded sort of like there couldn't be any weight at all put onto Waddle Bro's deal. Waddle Bro's fairly new and we don't know much about how he plays, but he hasn't played like the devious type.

The obvious thing is that some humans were changed into millers. Also:

Quote from: Waddle Bro on November 12, 2012, 05:16:11 AMI am not allowed to tell the details, but I highly recommend the seer to seer the humans who are not in this list. Your previous seerings mean nothing now, trust me.

I can't say for sure, but I think two options. One wolf got away from the list, but this doesn't explain the seering comment. A human previously seered green could now be red. With a miller that shouldn't matter. BUT, I highly think a human was turned into a wolf/traitor as the cause of this deal. That's explains Waddle's comment perfectly.

Quote from: Bubbles7689 on November 12, 2012, 04:59:59 PMHonestly, Im not listening to anything color-wise that Mephistopheles gives us. Like bird said, we have no idea of the deal, the price, or if anything was even accurate. What if Waddle was a wolf, and asked for 6 human players to be revealed as wolves? Theres no sure way to find out, even with Bird's cardflip. If you guys are really in the mood to lynch an inactive, I suggest shadowkirby since hes been active outside of the game with submissions but rarely here (even though thats like always)

I would think the price would be insanely high for a wolf to do that. Also if you get lynched, you should be red. :P Bubbles

I'm still wondering why no one else figured out this. This is much better deal than cardflip.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 13, 2012, 07:01:06 AMThe obvious thing is that some humans were changed into millers. Also:I can't say for sure, but I think two options. One wolf got away from the list, but this doesn't explain the seering comment. A human previously seered green could now be red. With a miller that shouldn't matter. BUT, I highly think a human was turned into a wolf/traitor as the cause of this deal. That's explains Waddle's comment perfectly.

:O

I hate to do this, but you seem to be playing very much like in SOAP. Also I'll be taking a huge gamble this Day/next Night.

...fail

Bubbles

btw LOL if BDS was a wolf

Quote from: Waddle Bro on November 13, 2012, 07:09:59 AMI would think the price would be insanely high for a wolf to do that. Also if you get lynched, you should be red. :P Bubbles

If Im red, it proves my point even more about cardflips and posted seerings not being reliable -.-

Oh crud, I almost forgot to vote, safety on sheikah again because I'm not confident either way on anyone just yet.  Curently posting on 3DS, I will try to be more active in the coming phases than I have been.

I'm totes cool with bubbles getting the ole' lyncharoo.

I'd also like to propose that the seer claim.

There are a variety of reasons for this. First of all, I'm almost certain that the seer is alive, meaning that he won't be false claimed by some creative wolf. I arrived at this conclusion since, Dude, knowing he was going to be wolfed, said nothing, and none of the lynched players said anything either. BDS painted himself red so that he could do a silly plan with the seer, so he isn't the seer either.

The seer could share any results he had, as well as unite the two special roles. If he doesn't claim soon, he may die and be unable to share any of his information.

Thoughts?

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. vermilionvermin
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro - 1x Phantom
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon - 2x Phantoms
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby - 1x Phantom

Bubbles7689 has lost her bet, her soul is now forfeit, she was Green.
It is now Night 3, Night 3 ends 1:00 AM CST (7:00 AM GMT) Thursday, Nov. 15

My Offices are still open, you may strike deals as you wish.

Please be aware that I reserve the right to stop taking deals, however if I do I will continue working on any approaches received before this point.

vermillionvermin
Bird
The Boy Who Cried Wolf
gzgregory

Quote from: Bird on November 13, 2012, 09:36:18 PMThere are a variety of reasons for this. First of all, I'm almost certain that the seer is alive, meaning that he won't be false claimed by some creative wolf. I arrived at this conclusion since, Dude, knowing he was going to be wolfed, said nothing, and none of the lynched players said anything either. BDS painted himself red so that he could do a silly plan with the seer, so he isn't the seer either.

The seer could share any results he had, as well as unite the two special roles. If he doesn't claim soon, he may die and be unable to share any of his information.

I think BDS was red because of Waddle.
I see a Wynaut.

Quote from: Bubbles7689 on November 13, 2012, 02:55:18 PMIf Im red, it proves my point even more about cardflips and posted seerings not being reliable -.-

...What? All red players were shown. Also I guess you were painted.

Bubbles was a wolf! Yehh

Oh and does anyone know why my name is mensioned?

Sorry about posting repeatedly after my death but

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 14, 2012, 12:17:31 AMBubbles was a wolf! Yehh

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 13, 2012, 11:04:14 PMBubbles7689 has lost her bet, her soul is now forfeit, she was Green.

wut.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 13, 2012, 11:12:11 PMvermillionvermin
Bird
The Boy Who Cried Wolf
gzgregory

Can anyone explain this?

I know it's not just players who've made deals. Maybe one of the people on this list is a wolf? If so, probably gzgregory.

SocialFox, I'm only going to tell you this once:

Stop posting if you are dead.

Only wolfing victims are allowed a death post. Since you you were lynched, you have no right to speak up. This is a clearly posted rule. Posting about about game information after your death is not legal, this is your last warning.

Quote from: Bird on November 14, 2012, 12:30:19 AMCan anyone explain this?

I know it's not just players who've made deals. Maybe one of the people on this list is a wolf? If so, probably gzgregory.

or you all are wolves ::) I don't know anything about this. I wasn't even online back then.

Quote from: SocialFox on November 14, 2012, 12:21:23 AMSorry about posting repeatedly after my death but

wut.

Stop it. You have been disturbing people ever since you died in the chat also. This could be your wolfish plan to make sure no one suspects that Bubbles was a wolf. That means you're interrupting the game. Just shut up.

ninja'd

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 11, 2012, 06:57:09 PMBubbles 7689
BlackDragonSlayer
Bird
gzgregory
davy
Slowpokemon

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 13, 2012, 11:12:11 PMvermillionvermin
Bird
The Boy Who Cried Wolf
gzgregory

Trying to figure out the connection. I have a feeling a wolf did this. Will make another post soon.

First of all: Gzgregory(a wolf suspect) and Bird are in the same list. I doubt only one of the people in the list is a wolf, there has to be a connection.

#1. Both Bird and Gregory are wolves.
#2. Both of them are humans.

Of course, it's also entirely possible that somebody made the following deal with Mephistopheles:

"Release these 4 names into the thread without any accompanying explanation."

At the cost of like... I don't know, losing their vote for two phases.

SocialFox - Master Wolf

Just as I suspected.

SocialFox, you can consider yourself banned from every one of my games until I decide differently.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 14, 2012, 01:23:22 AMSocialFox, you can consider yourself banned from every one of my games until I decide differently.

Ditto.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 13, 2012, 11:04:14 PM15. shadowkirby

Did you forget shadow's phantom?

Fixed.

OK, I'm the Seer. Sorry that I've been inactive, but my life has been busy, and I thought that lying low might be my best ally in this game. I have results, but don't take any of them too seriously, for obvious reasons.
Night 1: Socialfox was Green
Night 2: Davy was red

Tonight someone should guard blueflower and someone should investigate blueflower's role name, someone should also guard the investigator.

Although Mephistopheles appears to Faustus as a devil — a worker for Satan — critics claim that he does not search for men to corrupt but comes to serve and ultimately collect the souls of those who are already damned.

Davy then.

Doesn't Davy's red seering point to him being human? Bubbles was almost certainly a wolf and ended up being green, yet she wasn't the master wolf.

Bubbles was red. When she died she was green. Painter much?

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 14, 2012, 03:00:38 PMTonight someone should guard blueflower and someone should investigate blueflower's role name, someone should also guard the investigator.

No. Guardian, DO NOT GUARD ME

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 14, 2012, 03:00:38 PMTonight someone should guard blueflower and someone should investigate blueflower's role name, someone should also guard the investigator.

what are you talking about

I think the fact that Waddle advised us to seer the people not on the list might indicate that not all the people on it are wolves.  But even if blueflower's seering was inaccurate that one night, I don't think it means davy's seering was wrong.

Quote from: vermilionvermin on November 14, 2012, 07:05:04 PMI think the fact that Waddle advised us to seer the people not on the list might indicate that not all the people on it are wolves.  But even if blueflower's seering was inaccurate that one night, I don't think it means davy's seering was wrong.

This. I also have a strong opinion that he's a wolf, based on what he did to me Night 1. Can't tell more, sowwy.

The Phase has been Extended. Night 3 now ends 1:00 AM CST (7:00 AM GMT) Friday, Nov 15.

I went to Houston earlier today and got home far later than planned. Continue play as normal.

Unless blueflower is saying she already has her own protection I don't see why we shouldn't guard her

Woo going to da chat

Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on November 15, 2012, 05:03:14 AMUnless blueflower is saying she already has her own protection I don't see why we shouldn't guard her

Why does everybody think I'm a girl? XD

I'm a guy :P
Sorry if my name sounds misleading.

Quote from: blueflower999 on November 15, 2012, 12:53:27 PMWhy does everybody think I'm a girl? XD

I'm a guy :P
Sorry if my name sounds misleading.

Adding a gender sign to your profile should help.

Bird - Miller

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 15, 2012, 01:58:17 PMBird - Miller

OK then. Bird, if you made this deal, then you realize it doesn't prove anything. You could have just as easily made a deal saying "Post in the thread that I'm a miller"  :P

I didn't make that deal, so I guess it does prove something. I haven't made a deal since the cardflips thing. And if I was going to make one, I don't know why I would reveal myself to be a miller. It's not like anybody really suspected me at this point.

Thanks though, to whoever decided to do that. Next time, try and reveal a wolf though.

Guess who made this deal.

Everybody claim to Bird

Yeah, claim to me.

If you weren't convinced I was human from the last reveal, think of how I added cardflipping to the game. When you claim to me, try and give me all information you can about the game. You may not be able to talk about your own deals, but suppose you randomly received a power? Or got some information from Mephistopheles that wasn't a part of a deal you made?

Tell me. If we put our heads together, I'm sure the last few wolves will drop like flies.

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. Hercules
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby

Waddle Bro has lost his bet, his soul is now forfeit, he was Green.
It is now Day 3, Day 3 ends 1:00 AM CST (7:00 AM GMT) Sunday, Nov. 14

My Offices are still open, you may strike deals as you wish.

Please be aware that I reserve the right to stop taking deals, however if I do I will continue working on any approaches received before this point.

Likely a Wolf:
1. Gzgregory
2. Davy

Not Sure:
3. SlowPokemon
4. the_last_sheikah
5. shadowkirby

Definitely Human:
6. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
7. Nighthawk
8. FSM-Reapr
9. blueflower999
10. Bird

These lists don't take into account the possibility of a player changing to a wolf halfway into the game, though. Also, I've received a whopping 0 PMs from everyone. Thanks for being so helpful to the human effort!

I have to disagree Bird. Davy

Also SlowPokemon, now would be the BEST time to be active.

Quote1 Phantom = +.01 votes     2 Phantoms = +1.01 votes     3 Phantoms = Death + Ban

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 15, 2012, 11:02:28 PM14. Bubbles 7689

I thought she died?

Verm, you aren't as active than in the beginning. After the possibility of a (random) human turning into a wolf, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN AS ACTIVE!

Suspicion list time.

2. SocialFox - Is pretty much proven to be the master wolf.
3. gzgregory - Has been quite inactive, but not entirely inactive, as in lying under the radar, also, was on the list of red people.
14. Bubbles 7689 - Had a strange defense, and was on the list of red people
8. SlowPokemon - was on the list of red people, and very inactive. However, he's so inactive that the chance that that has nothing to do with being a wolf or a human, but is just standard inactivity.
9. BlackDragonSlayer - Was on the list of red people, however, he was wolfed which decreases the chance of him actually being a wolf himself.
15. shadowkirby - Being his usual inactive self.
13. the_last_sheika - Haven't seen that much of him yet.
11. Dude - Was wolf'd at the beginning of the game, although that doesn't mean really much with wolves not knowing eachother, his reaction was rather calm, so I think he was a human.
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf - Has noted us upon the inactivity of gzg, but hasn't done much other helpful things.
4. FSM-Reapr - Was suspicious of BDS, which was later wolf'd. I doubt a wolf would say he's suspicious of his wolf target.
1. Hercules - Has helped catching socialfox.
10. blueflower999 - claimed seer, and was uncounterclaimed.
6. Waddle Bro - Allowed the red list to be revealed and was wolf'd and cardflipped green.
12. Bird - Was revealed to be a miller.
5. davy - That's me.

---

Quote from: Bird on November 15, 2012, 11:29:26 PMLikely a Wolf:
1. Gzgregory
2. Davy

Can you tell me why you think I am a wolf, or does that has something to do with mr Meph. Same goes for FSM.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 16, 2012, 04:32:29 AMAlso SlowPokemon, now would be the BEST time to be active.

I guess this has something to do with mr Meph, but if not, can you tell me what you mean by that?

Quote from: davy on November 16, 2012, 05:08:04 AMI guess this has something to do with mr Meph, but if not, can you tell me what you mean by that?

It's just that he has 2 phantoms and now is the 3rd Day. Nothing else.

Also you know as well I do what kind of deal you made Day 1, involving me in it. Meph told me I am not allowed to say anything about the PM or the nature of PM.

The reason why I now think that Verm is a wolf:

Waddle's deal involved humans turned into millers(the most likely option), also

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 13, 2012, 07:01:06 AMBUT, I highly think a human was turned into a wolf/traitor as the cause of this deal. That's explains Waddle's comment perfectly.

Waddle responded:

Quote from: Waddle Bro on November 13, 2012, 07:09:59 AM:O

I think that was a clever way to say "yes", because he can't talk about it.

So, I guess one random human was turned into a wolf. That might still be Verm. I'm just saying, do not let the guy off the hook.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 16, 2012, 05:34:56 AMIt's just that he has 2 phantoms and now is the 3rd Day. Nothing else.

Also you know as well I do what kind of deal you made Day 1, involving me in it. Meph told me I am not allowed to say anything about the PM or the nature of PM.

I don't get it, that deal doesn't make me a wolf! I'm not allowed to give to much information, but I think that in nearly 75% of the cases, it's only helpful for the humans (and if it's the other 25%, than it went wrong due to the cost).

I know I could have made a more helpful deal, but really, I had this deal already planned when Maestro posted his game in the previous host sign-ups, and that I would go for it no matter if I was a wolf, human or special.

You're forgetting that every duel has two players. I can only imagine what your part of the deal was. And dude, if you planned the deal that long, you would have made it 100% human guaranteed, if you're a human. And it seems that you don't want the best of the humans by saying "I could have made a better deal." Also the deal you made was awful, the most of it was a lot of help only if you were a wolf.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 16, 2012, 07:17:51 AMYou're forgetting that every duel has two players. I can only imagine what your part of the deal was.

But you don't know if I used a second player, I can make my deal in any way I wish, and I'm not forced to follow the rules of what you are talking about now exaclty.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 16, 2012, 07:17:51 AMAnd dude, if you planned the deal that long, you would have made it 100% human guaranteed, if you're a human.

What about something like costs or overpowered deals? It's not that bird's, waddle's and your own deal are guaranteerd 100% human advantage due to costs.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 16, 2012, 07:17:51 AMAnd it seems that you don't want the best of the humans by saying "I could have made a better deal."

I didn't make this deal because it was super good, I made it because I liked it a lot, and you can't say it isn't a very creative deal. I think having fun with this game is way more important that being able to overpower the opponents team.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 16, 2012, 07:17:51 AMAlso the deal you made was awful, the most of it was a lot of help only if you were a wolf.

What the heck are you talking about, you would probably have said totaly different if someone would have tried to wolf you night 2.

Quote from: davy on November 16, 2012, 08:12:56 AMBut you don't know if I used a second player, I can make my deal in any way I wish, and I'm not forced to follow the rules of what you are talking about now exaclty.
What about something like costs or overpowered deals? It's not that bird's, waddle's and your own deal are guaranteerd 100% human advantage due to costs.
I didn't make this deal because it was super good, I made it because I liked it a lot, and you can't say it isn't a very creative deal. I think having fun with this game is way more important that being able to overpower the opponents team.
What the heck are you talking about, you would probably have said totaly different if someone would have tried to wolf you night 2.

You admitted that you made the deal. I think that's against the rules. :P


1. The deal was so well planned and autenthic to the original idea, so I highly think there is another player in this deal(=you).
2. Please, that deal was not even close to be overpowered or would have been overpowered even if only humans would have gotten the deal's cause. Yes, what I think is that my part in that plan was that the stuff I got was the downside of your plan.
3. I think being useful for the human team is what matters. If you're a human, you should act like a human by making deals that actually help humans.
4. That deal was confusing as hell! Only a few players could wrap their heads around it. What I think is that you made a humongously complex deal to make the most people fail big time. I admit, I found the only way how to make that work but otherwise it was bad as shit. It took me like almost the entire day phase to think an option that would work. I sent the response PM in 2 hours before the phase ended.

Sorry, but I'm not convinced.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 16, 2012, 09:01:59 AMYou admitted that you made the deal. I think that's against the rules. :P


1. The deal was so well planned and autenthic to the original idea, so I highly think there is another player in this deal(=you).
2. Please, that deal was not even close to be overpowered or would have been overpowered even if only humans would have gotten the deal's cause. Yes, what I think is that my part in that plan was that the stuff I got was the downside of your plan.
3. I think being useful for the human team is what matters. If you're a human, you should act like a human by making deals that actually help humans.
4. That deal was confusing as hell! Only a few players could wrap their heads around it. What I think is that you made a humongously complex deal to make the most people fail big time. I admit, I found the only way how to make that work but otherwise it was bad as shit. It took me like almost the entire day phase to think an option that would work. I sent the response PM in 2 hours before the phase ended.

Sorry, but I'm not convinced.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 16, 2012, 05:34:56 AMAlso you know as well I do what kind of deal you made Day 1, involving me in it. Meph told me I am not allowed to say anything about the PM or the nature of PM.

You were the first one to comfirm I made a deal. Your point applies as much to you as to me.

1. This once again has to do with the cost of the deal.
2. It was overpowered before Mephistopheles accepted it, it had to be changed before accepted, also, if the original plan would have gone through and a player would perfectly know how to use it, that player could in time become next to unstoppable.
3. I've played one game were I tried anything to help the humans win (disability girls) and it was the least enjoyable game I've ever played. There's also a game were I tried anything to help the wolves (time for a history lessen) and it was the second least enjoyable game I've ever played. I just want to enjoy this game, may I?
4. I'm know for making super intricate games, for anyone that had seen my games for twg XXVI and XXXV, it would only be a normal level of intricateness for games/powers I make. Also, 'the only way to make it work' c'mon, if you'd only thougt 2 minutes you'd have been able to become stronger than our two specials COMBINED.

Quote from: davy on November 16, 2012, 09:38:10 AMYou were the first one to comfirm I made a deal. Your point applies as much to you as to me.

1. This once again has to do with the cost of the deal.
2. It was overpowered before Mephistopheles accepted it, it had to be changed before accepted, also, if the original plan would have gone through and a player would perfectly know how to use it, that player could in time become next to unstoppable.
3. I've played one game were I tried anything to help the humans win (disability girls) and it was the least enjoyable game I've ever played. There's also a game were I tried anything to help the wolves (time for a history lessen) and it was the second least enjoyable game I've ever played. I just want to enjoy this game, may I?
4. I'm know for making super intricate games, for anyone that had seen my games for twg XXVI and XXXV, it would only be a normal level of intricateness for games/powers I make. Also, 'the only way to make it work' c'mon, if you'd only thougt 2 minutes you'd have been able to become stronger than our two specials COMBINED.

Actually, I never was told that it was you who made that deal. I just figured it out and said it was you. You confirmed it. So I didn't break any rules.

1. Most likely a wolfish lie. I have nothing to say to that.
2. If you're a human: Don't make deals that are too complex to most of the people and that actually could help the humans big time. Like people revealing, I guess the price isn't that big.
3. Play only the games you enjoy to play. There's no point to be a bad human on purpose.
4. Confirmed lie. Don't be a bad human, you should do something that would help us, rather than confuse us. Also you're not allowed to speak the nature of the deal/a possible deal you've had.

FSM-Reapr and davy have broken their contracts, they have been removed from the game.

The rest of you may continue as normal.

wtf did i do

See you guys in post game.

okay then back to lynching gzg

Don't lynch gz, you must trust me.

this is getting stupid

also gzg says you're a wolf

gzgregory, I suppose.

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 15, 2012, 11:02:28 PM14. Bubbles 7689

Wait so am I alive or...

Augh.
I have reason to believe either Verm or Boy is a wolf, and I'd rather lynch Boy since he hasn't exactly done much, plus Verm caught a wolf so he probably isn't one.
Make of this what you will, I'm probably dead anyway.

Quote from: gzgregory on November 16, 2012, 01:56:30 PMAugh.
I have reason to believe either Verm or Boy is a wolf, and I'd rather lynch Boy since he hasn't exactly done much, plus Verm caught a wolf so he probably isn't one.
Make of this what you will, I'm probably dead anyway.

I don't suppose that has anything to do with this, does it?

Quote from: Mephistopheles on November 13, 2012, 11:12:11 PMvermillionvermin
Bird
The Boy Who Cried Wolf
gzgregory

Also Boy, why can't we lynch GZG?

Well I know I'm not a wolf.  Boy.

Chat with vermilionvermin. He's Nighthawk. I'm not.

(5:19:28 PM) Savvy-Sauce: nighthawk are you up to date in the going ons of nsm twg
(5:19:36 PM) Nighthawk: no
(5:19:42 PM) Savvy-Sauce: well i'm pretty sure you're a wolf
(5:19:47 PM) Savvy-Sauce: so that's unfortunate
(5:19:51 PM) Nighthawk: i'm pretty sure i'm not
(5:20:03 PM) Savvy-Sauce: okay well in that case i change my pretty sure to 100% sure
(5:20:22 PM) Savvy-Sauce: sry
(5:20:23 PM) Nighthawk: why
(5:20:29 PM) Savvy-Sauce: because of the list maestro posted
(5:20:41 PM) Nighthawk: ?
(5:20:48 PM) Savvy-Sauce: gzg had that list posted
(5:20:50 PM) Savvy-Sauce: it has one wolf on it
(5:20:57 PM) Savvy-Sauce: boy who cried wolf says not to lynch gzg
(5:21:03 PM) Nighthawk: well im not
(5:21:05 PM) Savvy-Sauce: leaving you
(5:21:10 PM) Savvy-Sauce: :(
(5:21:39 PM) Nighthawk: when did he order iit?
(5:21:58 PM) Savvy-Sauce: i also don't believe your "i changed back into a human" story
(5:22:20 PM) Nighthawk: why would i tell it if it werent true?
(5:22:47 PM) Savvy-Sauce: because if you are a wolf, it gives you an explanation for weird seerings or behaviors
(5:22:59 PM) Nighthawk: what weird seerings?
(5:23:21 PM) Nighthawk: wait wtf happened
(5:23:25 PM) Savvy-Sauce: well i'm not saying there have been any - you would just say you were temporarily a wolf to explain any weird seerings that may arise
(5:23:29 PM) Savvy-Sauce: also fsm and davy died idk how
(5:23:34 PM) Savvy-Sauce: but let's not worry about that
(5:23:50 PM) Nighthawk: only applies to one phase
(5:24:11 PM) Savvy-Sauce: yeah, but maybe that's the phase you would receive a weird seering/deal stuff in
(5:24:15 PM) Savvy-Sauce: it's a back-up plan
(5:24:24 PM) Savvy-Sauce: it lets you handwave away any weirdness that may have arisen
(5:24:31 PM) Savvy-Sauce: "oh well i was a wolf for a bit"
(5:24:45 PM) Savvy-Sauce: i think it's extremely bizarre that your role would change for such a short period of time
(5:24:49 PM) Nighthawk: why would i come up with such a shitty lie?
(5:24:59 PM) Savvy-Sauce: What's shitty about it?
(5:25:28 PM) Nighthawk: pretending to be converted
(5:25:43 PM) Nighthawk: well i found out why fsm died
(5:25:46 PM) Savvy-Sauce: how
(5:25:52 PM) Nighthawk: http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4956.msg177683#msg177683
(5:26:01 PM) Nighthawk: talking about what happened in waddle's deal
(5:26:17 PM) Savvy-Sauce: idk
(5:26:28 PM) TheHunter left the room.
(5:26:33 PM) Savvy-Sauce: anyway, i think that if you actually were converted, saying "i was converted then changed back" is a strangely believable thing to say
(5:26:56 PM) Savvy-Sauce: i think the big question you should worry about answering
(5:27:02 PM) Savvy-Sauce: what would have caused you to change back so quickly?
(5:27:21 PM) Nighthawk: i had originally thought some breach of contract, but maybe that's not the case
(5:27:34 PM) Nighthawk: since davy and fsm died
(5:28:40 PM) Nighthawk: I'm concerned as to why this happened now and not earlier
(5:28:42 PM) Nighthawk: with gz
(5:28:50 PM) Savvy-Sauce: why what happened now
(5:28:56 PM) Nighthawk: the list
(5:29:02 PM) Savvy-Sauce: he never said the list was his
(5:29:09 PM) Savvy-Sauce: probably as part of the deal, he wasn't allowed to take ownership of it
(5:29:09 PM) Nighthawk: well no
(5:29:12 PM) Savvy-Sauce: but you can read between the lines
(5:29:26 PM) Nighthawk: i'm talking about the fact that he never said to suspect either me or boy
(5:29:31 PM) Nighthawk: until he was about to be lynched
(5:29:40 PM) Savvy-Sauce: he said it in a pm to me earlier this phase
(5:29:46 PM) Nighthawk: especially if it is connected to the list
(5:30:04 PM) Savvy-Sauce: he's speaking now since i've been eliminated from the list, narrowing it to two choices, i would guess
(5:30:23 PM) Nighthawk: why didn't he just tell you this
(5:30:35 PM) Savvy-Sauce: as i said earlier, it was likely a stipulation of the deal that he couldn't refer to the list
(5:30:59 PM) Nighthawk: i guess
(5:31:22 PM) Savvy-Sauce: Anyway
(5:31:31 PM) Savvy-Sauce: So he says its between you and boy
(5:31:38 PM) Savvy-Sauce: the reason i think it's you over boy is because boy said not to lynch gzg
(5:31:43 PM) Savvy-Sauce: for whatever reasons
(5:32:25 PM) Savvy-Sauce: Why do you think boy said not to lynch gzg?
(5:32:39 PM) Nighthawk: I don't know anymore

I think everybody at this point should pick between The Boy Who Cried Wolf and vermilionvermin to lynch. I'm leaning Boy, especially since he hasn't explained why we shouldn't lynch GZG, but I'm also skeptical of verm's "I'm not a wolf ANYMORE" story.

Oh noes, looks like I died. :(
i h8 u wuffs
go humans

Gz, I defend you because I have information about you, then you vote me? Your a human and I'm trying to protect you, why would I protect a human if I was wolf? Lets say my information is wrong and you really are a wolf. I try protect you, you vote me.

This doesn't make much sense.

Gz

Nighthawk.

I think it's pretty likely that, reading between the lines, that list posted earlier (verm, bird, tbwcw, gzgregory) was made by Gzg, and that it contains the name of one wolf.

I was revealed to be human, and The Boy Who Cried Wolf says not to kill Gzg since he made a deal pointing to his humanity. I think that this makes TBWCW and GZG both seem human.

Leaving Nighthawk. He admitted to having been changed into a wolf, which means that any "I caught a wolf!" excuses are invalid. He also claims to have changed back into a human, but I find that pretty hard to believe. So unfortunately, he'll have my vote.

I'm going to agree with Bird and switch to Verm here. I have the perspective of knowing I'm human, and Boy would not have affirmed my humanity were he a wolf. He could just as easily have incited a lynch if he were a wolf, without providing any accompanying explanation, which would be taken as deal parameters or something.

Verm, on the other hand, has several things against him. I find a conversion to be just as likely as a painting, but a change back seems sort of odd considering he would have probably stayed on the wolf team after any conversions, since then the game favors the wolves. Also, he's never been afraid of reverse psychology even when it causes temporary harm (such as suggesting my self-poisoning in Snakes on a Plane), so I wouldn't be surprised if he sold out Social and still ended up being a wolf.

oh shit oops i meant verm

Just something I'm going to point out, if verm is telling the truth about his wolf incident a deal could have been made to recruit verm to the wolfs but the conditions of the contract were that he would only be a wolf for as long as the dealer lived.

Does this mean that either Davy or Fsm are wolves if this is true?


The post about Bird being a miller I find quite funny because from day 1 I started to think otherwise. Bird didn't seem red, but unless change has happened since I'm not sure.

Since I think ver has the most votes I'm going to stick one on Bird only because think I might have the second amount of votes and for whatever reason verm won't die I wouldn't like the lynch to be thrown at me.

There's like 3 hours left and we don't have anything close to a consensus.

People need to vote. Or change their votes. I'd like to see Nighthawk lynched, but I'm willing to compromise if somebody is convincing.

afsldjfasldkj i did it again

verm*

To SlowPokemon:

If you do not start contributing to the game at hand, I will remove you at the end of the phase. This is your only warning.

I have a feeling bird knows what he's doing, so I'm going to agree with a verm lynch.  A defense would have been nice though.

1. vermilionvermin:
 2. SocialFox 3. gzgregory4. FSM-Reapr5. davy 6. Waddle Bro 7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf 8. SlowPokemon - 2x Phantoms 9. BlackDragonSlayer 10. blueflower999 11. Dude 12. Bird 13. the_last_sheikah 14. Bubbles 7689 15. shadowkirby

That is probably the best post I have ever seen.

i think there's three votes on gzg and three votes on verm

that's not a great thing

So now I should defend myself!

I'm not a wolf for three key reasons:

1.  It was mentioned that there was a deal that involved the creation of multiple millers.  I don't know if that affects Greg's suspicion list, but if it does, that's important.
2.

Quotevermillionvermin
Bird
The Boy Who Cried Wolf
gzgregory

My name is not on this list.  It's some other guy named vermillionvermin with two l's.  :)
3.  I'm not a wolf!  It said so in my role PM.

I'm not convinced either Boy or GZ is a wolf either.  To the chat!

Only Bird was there, and that's not enough to vote for anyone other than Gzgregory.

(12:52:51 AM) Vermilionvermin: hey bird you should vote for gz
(12:54:26 AM) bird: do you want me to
(12:54:37 AM) Vermilionvermin: yes
(12:54:49 AM) bird: okay fine

im convinced

gzg

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. vermilionvermin
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon - 3x Phatoms
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999 - 1x Phantom
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby - 1x Phantom

gzgregory has lost his bet, his soul is now forfeit, he was Red.
SlowPokemon has sunken to the bottom of the River Styx.
It is now Night 4, Night 4 ends 1:00 AM CST (7:00 AM GMT) Monday, Nov. 19

My Offices are still open, you may strike deals as you wish.

Please be aware that I reserve the right to stop taking deals, however if I do I will continue working on any approaches received before this point.

thanks for being here everyone

shadowkirby
vermilionvermin
the_last_sheikah
Bird

Oh wow, I guess he was a wolf, my information was wrong? That's very strange.

He was probably just red.

Anyway, still still suspicious of Verm.

btw if i die tonight,

last wolf is verm, and if the game still isn't over, shadowkirby

Guys forget all that blabber about what I've said like after every lynch for the past 2 nights or so..

Gz was a human then like I said.

The Boy Who Cried Wolf is an idiot. We can see that you sent that pm to several of us. Why. Are you more of an idiot than Kman I thought?

... I was err.. Testing you? Yes that was it, I was testing you!

How did we not know if Verm sent a message to everyone? I really didn't know :/

When I did it I put everyone on BCC instead of CC.

I'm the Seer. You're not going to fool me.  :P

YEAH TBWCW WHY CANT YOU BE A GREAT PLAYER LIKE SHADOWKIRBY

I think it's even more obvious that he's human though.

Two Humans, Two Wolves:

Bird
shadowkirby
the_last_sheikah
The Boy Who Cried Wolf

I find that a little hard to believe, but whatever, let's roll with it.

I'm positive we've killed two wolves already, and I'm certain (through means I cannot disclose) that the_last_sheikah is human. Meaning that the last wolves are shadowkirby and TBWCW.

gg

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. vermilionvermin
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon - 3x Phatoms
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999 - 1x Phantom
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby - 1x Phantom

Due to a misfile, blueflower has been cast away to the Sixth Circle, he was blue.
It is now Day 4, Day 4 ends 1:00 AM CST (7:00 AM GMT) Wednesday, Nov. 21

My Offices are still open, you may strike deals as you wish.

Please be aware that I reserve the right to stop taking deals, however if I do I will continue working on any approaches received before this point.

Time to analyze.

Blueflower's dead.  That's interesting.  We have 4 potential wolves based on the list:

Bird:  Barring a conversion, he's in all likelihood not a wolf given the fact that it said he was a miller earlier in the game.
Sheikah:  Bird says he's human, so I guess he probably is.
TBWCW:  He seems really human based on what he just sent out in that PM.
Shadowkirby:  I doubt you're a human.  Everyone else just has so much going for them, and you've got nothing.  I'll in all likelihood end up voting for you, so you better speak up, mister.

My Offices are Closed

I'm going to be really busy these few days before thanksgiving, and I'm not going to have time to process more deals.

If we are in the middle of negotiations I will continue to see them through. All standing deals are still in effect.

I'll go with shadowkirby has done much to prove himself.

Despite my confidence that TBWCW and SK are the final too wolves, if we make a mistake this phase, the wolves win.

eh, actually, fuck it let's just insta shadowkirby

Also on the chance that the list is not accurate, kudos to verm for fooling everyone with it.

Actually, I just realized that I hate losing more than I hate not looking cool. So I'm going to take the time to analyze all these blasted lists.

I think there are two really significant changes with the most recent list, compared to the last two (1 (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4956.msg177455#msg177455), 2 (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4956.msg177928#msg177928)):

1. It wasn't posted directly after a lynch
2. It had additional information on it, telling us that two of the people on it were wolves.

If you look at the above lists, they're both posted within 10 minutes after a lynch, yet this one came out of the blue in the middle of a night phase. And it comes with information attached which incriminates a person (TBWCW) who seems pretty innocent to me. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I'm concerned that a wolf, banking on the idea that "everybody trusts these lists" has made a deal to have this totally inaccurate one released to the thread. It also wouldn't seem totally balanced for two wolves to be revealed like that, and we know how much Mephistopheles loves balance.

So yeah, it was an interesting tactic vermilionvermin, but I'm not fooled. No offense to the other players, but I think there's only one person this devious at NSM besides me, and its verm. Also, there's the whole thing where he turned into a wolf and couldn't explain why he turned back five minutes later. So yeah.

Also the_last_sheikah told me he was the guardian, so that's cool I guess

Oh, and one more thing (last post I swear!!!)
IF YOU'RE GOING TO READ ANY OF MY POSTS, READ THIS ONE

Why the list was made under a new deal, rather than the previous list-making deal:
I explained this in my above analysis post. There are big differences, including when it was posted (not after a lynch), and the additional information it contained.

Why the list is bullshit:
The host would never consent to a deal which actually revealed the last two wolves. He knew that I was a confirmed human, and he knew the_last_sheikah was the guardian. Would he ever definitively release the last two wolves? No, that's absurd. Therefore the list is fake. Additionally, TBWCW seems hella human, and even verm admitted it.

So who made the list:
verm, obviously. Isn't it convenient that, after being on two lists that likely pointed to him being a wolf, this one happens to exonerate him? That after I tell him he has one phase to argue his case, this evidence pops up making him definitively human? Yeah, it is. And this is a player known for complex tactics and bluffs. He knew people were blindly accepting lists, so he took advantage of that, and had a list of his own released.

Are you sure verm is a wolf? He's been helpful so far:
verm is always helpful as a wolf. And this list shit is just stacked on top of all the other stuff pointing to him being a wolf. Here are the biggest three factors.
1. He says his role changed to wolf for five minutes, but then Meph changed him back. Why would he change back so quickly, if there was a role swap? Did some new player make a deal in that five minute window? That's silly. And he can't explain it.
2. GZG subtly indicated that he was the mastermind behind the previous two lists. And he was using them to indicate that at least one of the people on it (he said "or") was a wolf. Well, Verm appeared on two lists, and I'm definitely not a wolf. Plenty of evidence for me.
3. His defenses have honestly been kind of shitty. I don't think his heart's really been in the game after he switched to a wolf role.

I'm very confident that he's a wolf at this point, so please vote for him.

While I agree with bird, I know, for 100%, that shadowkirby is a wolf.  With the slight chance of bird lying, and I mean very slight, we should kill shadow now as he is confermed.

how is shadow confirmed

I think Shadow is a wolf.

wow good work everyone

on the off-chance that this game isn't already over thanks to your idiocy and lack of caution when voting, please lynch verm next phase, for what was basically a one-man wolf-rush

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. vermilionvermin
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon - 3x Phatoms
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999 - 1x Phantom
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby - 1x Phantom

shadowkirby has lost his bet, he was red.
It is now Night 5, Night 5 ends 1:00 AM CST (7:00 AM GMT) Tuesday, Nov. 20

My Offices are Closed, I am not making deals at this time

Please be aware that I reserve the right to stop taking deals, however if I do I will continue working on any approaches received before this point.

Bird
the_last_sheikah
vermilionvermin
The Boy Who Cried Wolf

Oh, thank god. So there's only one wolf left in the game.

Guess who I think it is!!!

I just need to survive the night phase and we will win :)

TWG XLIII: My Name is Mephistopheles

15 Players:
1 Master Wolf (green)
3 Wolves (red)
Faust - Seer* (blue)
Gretchen - Guardian* (blue)
9 Humans (green)

*There's a 50/50 chance for seering and guardings to be effective. A coin flip will occur (best two out of three) between the two and the winner's power will work. The loser will be told (s)he lost the coin flip when they'd normally get results.

1. vermilionvermin
2. SocialFox
3. gzgregory
4. FSM-Reapr
5. davy
6. Waddle Bro
7. The Boy Who Cried Wolf
8. SlowPokemon - 3x Phatoms
9. BlackDragonSlayer
10. blueflower999 - 1x Phantom
11. Dude
12. Bird
13. the_last_sheikah
14. Bubbles 7689
15. shadowkirby - 1x Phantom

Clerical Error, no deaths were processed.
It is now Day 5, Day 5 ends 1:00 AM CST (7:00 AM GMT) Thursday, Nov. 22

My Offices are Closed, I am not making deals at this time

Please be aware that I reserve the right to stop taking deals, however if I do I will continue working on any approaches received before this point.

Another classic vermilionvermin move. (http://www.llforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=90027#p90027) For the single wolf to win, a human is going to have to be lynched, and since it's easier to lynch a human when more humans are alive, he's getting one lynched before he makes his final wolfing. Additionally, the only other feasible possibility for the final wolf is TBWCW, who wasn't inactive enough to forget to wolf.

So yeah, verm.

verm is the last wolf.

Verm

either Verm's wolf or it's bird and shekaih. So meh.


Also uhm  Bird, that link. Could I join that site?

can i talk about my deals now

it'll be funny

Oh .. we can't speedlynch. :(

Not enough votes. Js. We have to wait till Thursday. D:

that's silly

I think Meph has been online since the 3 votes on Verm though. .-. Can you vote for yourself? Lets get Verm to speedlynch himself! :D

In chat..

Verm, it's over, admit defeat like a man and vote yourself off the island.  Good game everyone.

vermilionvermin has failed me for the last time.

Humans Win

A post game will be up later tonight under my normal account, please don't discuss deals until I do so.

Thus it is signed,

Mephistopheles

Victory for mankind. 8)

I almost feared that something would go terribly wrong...

Guess who was right about vermilionvermin?? :P

I honourably claim title of SMSP
Second most Shitty player.

Yay!

Can't wait for the post-game. I expect some hilarious deals.

Quote from: SocialFox on November 20, 2012, 01:24:21 PMI honourably claim title of SMSP
Second most Shitty player.

I still want to know who's idea it was to wolf me. If I had been a wolf, that would've been a great error. :P
I was expecting to be lynched, I must admit, but a wolfing was unexpected. :S

And, Bird...  :-\

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 20, 2012, 01:23:32 PMGuess who was right about vermilionvermin?? :P

If I do recall, it was me who thought Verm was a wolf. Although, I don't know was Verm a real wolf, or a cause of Waddle's deal.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 20, 2012, 01:30:30 PMIf I do recall, it was me who thought Verm was a wolf. Although, I don't know was Verm a real wolf, or a cause of Waddle's deal.

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 09, 2012, 06:45:54 PMSuspicion list time! ???
1: vermilionvermin: Could be a wolf trying to disguise himself, which would make sense for a wolf. If SocialFox is a wolf, that would be ironic...
2: Bird: Could be human, or easily could be wolf. Not exactly too sure yet.
3: FSM-Reapr: Actions make somewhat sense...
4: gzgregory: Weird semi-absence??

5: The Boy Who Cried Wolf: Seems human?
6: SocialFox: Seems human enough... but has potential to be a wolf.
7: shadowkirby: Seems human...
8: SlowPokemon: Not enough info yet?

9: blueflower999: Seems human, not enough info yet.
10: Bubbles_7689: Not enough info?
11: Waddle Bro: Not enough info?
12: davy: So far, has been acting like a human...

13: the_last_sheikah: Not enough info?
14: Dude: Could be a wolf's mistaken lynch, but I doubt it.
15: BlackDragonSlayer: :P

:P

But you had no proper reason why Verm was a wolf. You only stated possibilities. I actually came up with the reason why he would most likely be a wolf.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 20, 2012, 01:33:46 PMBut you had no proper reason why Verm was a wolf. You only stated possibilities. I actually came up with the reason why he would most likely be a wolf.

...
I did have reasons to believe he was a wolf. Possibilities are chances of what actually happened, and from them, combined, you can derive fact, along with logical jumps/assumptions.

If you recall, I died on page 13. :P

Who, I'm wondering, were the other wolves??

I know who they are, but let's wait for the post-game.

I really saw no reason whatsoever why Verm should have been lynched according to your post(s).

Quote from: Bird on November 20, 2012, 01:39:58 PMI know who they are, but let's wait for the post-game.

Sí; I'm eager to see if my pre-wolfing suspicions were correct. :P

It seemed like you were determined to throw a wrench into my "plan"... it could have possibly worked a little bit, in a sort of way... :P It was crazy...

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 20, 2012, 01:42:35 PMI really saw no reason whatsoever why Verm should have been lynched according to your post(s).

Quote from: Bird on November 20, 2012, 01:39:58 PMI know who they are, but let's wait for the post-game.

Ditto.

Quote from: FSM-Reapr on November 20, 2012, 01:42:35 PMI really saw no reason whatsoever why Verm should have been lynched according to your post(s).

My last post was determined not to properly quote you. :P
But, let's save this in more depth for the actual post game...

Now let's stop posting, okay?!

So now that this whole "thing" is over, do I have the right to ask: What exactly happened here?

It's a forum game. Go read the rules thread to figure out how to play.

Regarding the actual game, why did you guys lynch me :c

Quote from: BonusPwnage on November 20, 2012, 02:03:01 PMSo now that this whole "thing" is over, do I have the right to ask: What exactly happened here?

I think BonusPwnage has beaten FSM's 8 posts a day record. He's gotten almost 12!

Quote from: shadowkirby on November 20, 2012, 02:04:57 PMI think BonusPwnage has beaten FSM's 8 posts a day record. He's gotten almost 12!

FSM:
Posts: 2040 (14.366 per day)

???

Quote from: shadowkirby on November 20, 2012, 02:04:57 PMI think BonusPwnage has beaten FSM's 8 posts a day record. He's gotten almost 12!

There's nothing wrong with conveying my thoughts to others, even if it is a bit excessive...

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on November 20, 2012, 02:06:47 PMFSM:
Posts: 2040 (14.366 per day)

???

Honestly, posting records don't really matter to me. If anything, they're just another tool in which people look to in order to anger each other, even if that isn't their intention.