TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought
8. Toby
9. Olimar12345
10. mariolegofan
11. maelstrom
12. Jon
13. blueflower999
Role pm's will be sent within the hour, N1 will end 6 PM EST.
recidivism
Could you extend it a few hours? I'm not getting home from work till sometime close to 8. If this nihht Could end at 9, that would be great.
I suggest Agent May claims so that we can get an alliance going with themself, the seer and the masons.
The wolves will be unlikely to target Agent May, and if they do then in the likelihood that a human will receive the reviving power, May will be revived and the wolfing will have been deemed useless and the sacrafice from one of the wolves will have been a waste of time for them! So May will most likely be alive long enough to create a strong alliance if not live till the end! The seers power needs to be discussed so opinions can be gathered and the seerings can be more useful and revealed to the thread, also, the more known humans the better!
Also a few questions I meant to ask you Jub, who does if the wolves wolf Agent May? Is it a random wolf or is it the one that sent in the pm?
Is the reviving power one time use?
If Agent May is revived is he still a brutal human?
Some role pm's have a subject "Role PM", some don't.
Human or miller pm:
You are Human.
You are human.
Other PR pm's:
You are Skye, the seer!
You are Agent May! 8)
You are simmons, _____ is fitz!
You are Fitz, _____ is Simmons.
Night Phase will end 6PM EST on 12/11/14 tomorrow, sorry for the confusion.
Alright! TWG if finally happening! Does anyone have a link to the chat?
Here's the chat link:
http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM
I'm there
Claiming seer, guardian should guard me!
D: Toby you left just as I entered the chat! Oh well. I'll be on later!
Quote from: Jon on December 10, 2014, 10:53:46 AMClaiming seer, guardian should guard me!
There is no guardian.
I'm Agent May, the brutal human.
I was gonna wait till people said stuff about whether or not May should claim but it's pretty obvious he should and with Jon messing up I think we need an alliance now.
^^^^^^ claim to me
Quote from: Toby on December 10, 2014, 10:31:32 AMAlso a few questions I meant to ask you Jub, who does if the wolves wolf Agent May? Is it a random wolf or is it the one that sent in the pm?
Is the reviving power one time use?
If Agent May is revived is he still a brutal human?
Random wolf will die from brutal human, reviving item is one time use, but it might reappear.
Brutal human will lose brutal upon death.
Well looks like if I get wolfed then revived I won't still have brutal but oh well, that was a bonus anyway, I'm still the best claiming option.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 10, 2014, 10:59:54 AMD: Toby you left just as I entered the chat! Oh well. I'll be on later!
Oh and sorry I'm on my phone so if I go off a tab for more than 5 minutes or something I get kicked off mibbit, so when I was typing a post I got kicked off.
Quote from: Jon on December 10, 2014, 10:53:46 AMClaiming seer, guardian should guard me!
Is this a legitimate claim because you're totally wolfed if it is. :P
Anyway this game look fun, good luck to everyone.
Also just a reminder to the wolves that false claiming to Toby is a really risky strategy in this game due to the cardflip.
Jon, you're an idiot.
Also Chat link?
Quote from: Toby on December 10, 2014, 10:49:38 AMHere's the chat link:
http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM
Oh...
I was joking btw
Remember to claim to me. Even if you're a normal human, I want that claim.
Present!
Also, question: Doesthe reviver seed show who has it/used it?
what are you playing at jon...
You're starting to give me ideas...
Ugh it was a joke don't be bitches and lynch me. I just like claiming shit.
lol.....as the wolves silently watch with their drooling mouths hanging wide open....
Quote from: Jon on December 10, 2014, 01:50:24 PMUgh it was a joke don't be bitches and lynch me. I just like claiming shit.
I suggest not because you're the most suspicious player right now.
Remember to claim to me please.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 10, 2014, 01:29:48 PMPresent!
Also, question: Does the GH-325 show who has it/used it?
Nope!
I am here with no questions/comments/concerns. Questions? Comments? Concerns?
Finally here.
Annnnnnd.... the chat's not working for me.
I'll see what I can do.
edit: it doesn't even work with internet explorer... :P
I click GO! and it goes to the home page....
edit v.2: I got it to work.
I needed a secure link. idk why.
Quote from: Toby on December 10, 2014, 11:01:56 AMThere is no guardian.
I'm Agent May, the brutal human.
I was gonna wait till people said stuff about whether or not May should claim but it's pretty obvious he should and with Jon messing up I think we need an alliance now.
???
You believed Jon screwed up, so your first instinct was to claim and have potentially two Specials out in the open?
Not sure what to think of Toby's claim for the time being, but I feel like it's probably trustworthy given how spontaneous it was. Would be best to wait a few hours for everyone to get settled in case there's a counterclaim though, in my opinion.
Jub3r7, could you clarify what you mean by "killer gets killed" for the Agent May Role?
Quote from: Mashi on December 10, 2014, 06:37:05 PMNot sure what to think of Toby's claim for the time being, but I feel like it's probably trustworthy given how spontaneous it was. Would be best to wait a few hours for everyone to get settled in case there's a counterclaim though, in my opinion.
I was uncertain for a little bit, but then I decided how counterintuitive it would be for a wolf to claim Agent May, especially given that there's a seer, and the real Agent May would still be out there.
And, if they got the brute lynched, whoever had counterclaimed would be the next person to die.
What exactly specifies the killer? I mean will a random wolf die, or the one who sends in the PM, or the regular hydra member?
And if for some crazy reason we decide to lynch toby (hypothetical here) would the last human to vote be the one to die or?
Quote from: Jub3r7 on December 10, 2014, 11:05:01 AMRandom wolf will die from brutal human
Sorry for not making it clear in the role list!
Jon makes dumb jokes like this every game, don't look at it too hard.
Also, just so you know, I'm not going to be very active over the next few days, because of internet problems. I don't think I /need/ to be replaced but I'll be fine if I am.
I think it gets easier to see human reactions when you do dumb shit like this, especially when the game is fresh and people have just got their PMs.
I should make a post just to show I'm here.
This is that post.
Okay everyone keep those claims coming. I think I'm right in saying that everyone has seen my claim and if they were going to counter claim they would have already done so.
If I don't have all the claims by 11am EST you'll be in my bad books!!!
Quote from: Jon on December 10, 2014, 10:24:25 PMI think it gets easier to see human reactions when you do dumb shit like this, especially when the game is fresh and people have just got their PMs.
It also screws everything up lol
like I don't know what the plan was but you made toby claim right off when I think he was planning on waiting(?).
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 10, 2014, 04:58:23 PMFinally here.
Annnnnnd.... the chat's not working for me.
I'll see what I can do.
edit: it doesn't even work with internet explorer... :P
I click GO! and it goes to the home page....
edit v.2: I got it to work.
I needed a secure link. idk why.
Maelstrom, for future reference, don't edit in TWG. During the game, if you need to add information to a post, then it's perfectly okay to double post. (This is your warning! :O)
Woops. Forgot. :P
In the chat if anyone wants to put down some ideas with me
Okay I'm really going to start pushing for claims now, there is 5 hours and 20 mins left in the phase!! Everyone has been on since I posted my claim so if I was false claiming then I'd have a counter claim by now, you have no reason not to trust me!
Remember to claim to me even if you're a human! I need to know that you are definitely a human and not something else!
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 11, 2014, 04:54:41 AMIt also screws everything up lol
like I don't know what the plan was but you made toby claim right off when I think he was planning on waiting(?).
Why would he wait? His role is the best one to start the alliance, if he didn't claim night 1 then I really don't see any point of him claiming at all! I just helped get the ball rolling.
In the chat!
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 11, 2014, 04:54:41 AMIt also screws everything up lol
like I don't know what the plan was but you made toby claim right off when I think he was planning on waiting(?).
I was waiting to get opinions on it first in case I missed anything that would make claiming silly, when jon claimed it screamed wolf to me since I knew he was experienced at llf and he made the dumbest claim ever, so I claimed immediately not wanting anyone to claim to him.
I
Am
Toby
I think my phone undid a second paragraph that I can't remember, or maybe I started something and forgot, or maybe I just made a typo, who knows ???
Deny in acquaintance, sorry
*sent in claim, sorry
He's using my iPad. The screens cracked and its a little hard to use.
Duck circumccisuon
....what?
An alliance has been set up.
....Between.....
...
the wolves and humans
18mins till phase ends hype
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 11, 2014, 02:47:35 PMI'M SORRY I'M NEW.
Oh sorry haven't played twg in like 8 months.
An alliance between the people I know are human.
this is the longest 18 minutes of my life
Where are you, jub.....
its probably a two day night phase, that's what normally happens night 1
TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
The search for the clairvoyant was narrowed down to a few possible candidates, and double blind was used to make sure no specific person knew their coordinates AND who their target was until after they arrived at the location.
Although there is no documented persons with psychic abilities in the S.H.I.E.L.D. database, it seems like the enemy knows things about us, things I don't tell anyone. The nightmares that keep me up at night, the girl in the flower dress knew and said the clairvoyant told her.
Deathlok, or whatever they call Mike Peterson now, was waiting at the designated location. Either we were getting close, or the enemy is more inside our heads than we thought. Our loyal agent, the_subjective_thought, was our only casualty. A few bullet wounds in the right (wrong) places has put him in a coma, or in relevant terms, out of commission. We shall not let his sacrifice be in vain.
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar12345
10. mariolegofan
11. maelstrom
12. Jon
13. blueflower999
The_Subjective_Thought, a regular human, has been wolfed.
Day 1 ends on Saturday, 12/13/14, 11:30 PM EST.
why is it that whenever me and tst are in a game together one of us dies night 1
rip
Yay day 1.
First thoughts, Jon is on the bottom of my list because a wolf would never do something that rash on night 1.
Blueflower I'm slightly suspicious of because he's stating something obviously true, however, looks very anti-wolf to say (does that make sense?)
Fank is fank, nothing to say here.
Yugi and Olimar seem to be avoiding important discussion, then again, only day 1.
Toby, at this point, is most definitely who he says he is.
With that being said, can we lynch an inactive please. NSM TWG is so predictable, the wolves just play inactive until later because everyone just rush lynches suspicious (almost always human) players.
remove vote
forgot bolding a name = voting
.-.
For the amount of games I've played I have a surprising amount of night 1 deaths.
At least I'm only in a coma this time.
Don't you think it's a bit early to start petitioning to lynch inactive people? it's literally the start of the first day phase, we can see how inactive people are when we have something to talk about!
FireArrow because wanting to lynch an inactive right off the bat is only beneficial to the wolves.
1. I do that every game (self meta ik sry.)
2. It's true every game.
3. Your proving me right.
4. Your logic isn't even logic, it's just plain not true. We have something to gain by lynching wolves, how would lynching an active person be more beneficial than an inactive person? Wolves have MORE to lose for lynching inactive people, because active people will be the ones to find them, inactives will be... well... inactive.
5. Whoa hold your horses buddy, no need to actually vote yet.
Still think you human though, wolves don't play this aggressively (becasue like I said, they play inactively.) Also, your probably reaction testing me anyways :/.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:09:20 PMWith that being said, can we lynch an inactive please. NSM TWG is so predictable, the wolves just play inactive until later because everyone just rush lynches suspicious (almost always human) players.
I don't think many wolves are expressly inactive- most just stay active enough to seem like they're contributing (like saying something once in a while, "helping" with the lynch, etc.). Also, if too many inactives are alive later in the game, the wolves can easily take advantage of it (and if somebody turns out to be human, we can hopefully revive them later).
Quote from: Jon on December 11, 2014, 05:35:01 PMDon't you think it's a bit early to start petitioning to lynch inactive people? it's literally the start of the first day phase, we can see how inactive people are when we have something to talk about!
FireArrow because wanting to lynch an inactive right off the bat is only beneficial to the wolves.
I actually disagree, for reason(s) stated above! If there are too many inactives, the wolves can easily take advantage of that (something I've done as a wolf :P). Though, lynching an inactive obviously isn't the
favorable option.
BDS, I consider that inactivity. Anything apart from adding to the discussion is inactivity imo.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:46:15 PMBDS, I consider that inactivity. Anything apart from adding to the discussion is inactivity imo.
Yes, that's what I meant (wolves doing things to "add to the discussion").
Nocturne
For *reasons.*
If you want to know, ask Toby.
I'm not gonna band wagon over "reasons." NoS atleast is trying to be active (chat room.)
Of course, maybe toby's onto something, but he's gonna have to share why.
Okay well, we have our seer so that is our first point of action. We can see what Toby says about that and go from there.
The best way for us to deal with any inactives is to ask them questions, get them involved. If wolves like to stay inactive here then we can just have the inactive people seered. The seer is probably gonna stay off the radar and be inactive, we don't want to accidentally end up lynching him/her.
FireArrow with how defensive you got over a casual vote, you're just making me more suspicious of you.
Quote from: Jon on December 11, 2014, 06:01:53 PMOkay well, we have our seer so that is our first point of action. We can see what Toby says about that and go from there.
The best way for us to deal with any inactives is to ask them questions, get them involved. If wolves like to stay inactive here then we can just have the inactive people seered. The seer is probably gonna stay off the radar and be inactive, we don't want to accidentally end up lynching him/her.
If we have an alliance, a seer vote will never go through.
QuoteFireArrow with how defensive you got over a casual vote, you're just making me more suspicious of you.
Hence the last line. With the way your playing now, we're gonna lose. Your looking for traditional tells, which is something that doesn't work on NSM (because wolves never talk goddamnit!)
EDIT: I only edited the bbc, everything else is identical.
A lot of early votes... from my experience any early votes usually end up changing so no point in worrying about them. After all we've got until saturday night to figure something out so I don't see any need to rush a vote. I had a pretty
long chat with mael and decided
he's probably human this game, but with mael you can never tell because he always acts like a wolf :P
Alright toby you probably have the best idea as to whom should be killed this day phase?
I do like FireArrow's idea though, also with the
reviver seed coming tomorrow night we could theoretically have a
free miss today because of the cardflip.
Essentially we'd be getting a public seering at the possible cost of a lynch.Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:09:20 PMYay day 1.
First thoughts, Jon is on the bottom of my list because a wolf would never do something that rash on night 1.
Blueflower I'm slightly suspicious of because he's stating something obviously true, however, looks very anti-wolf to say (does that make sense?)
Fank is fank, nothing to say here.
Yugi and Olimar seem to be avoiding important discussion, then again, only day 1.
Toby, at this point, is most definitely who he says he is.
With that being said, can we lynch an inactive please. NSM TWG is so predictable, the wolves just play inactive until later because everyone just rush lynches suspicious (almost always human) players.
Solid thoughts, I'm
with you on the blueflower suspicion, it's not that uncommon for a wolf to throw out some antiwolf propaganda as it were.
Careful with fank being fank, but I've played with him enough that I should be able to
get a tell on him in a couple phases (hopefully).
All I know with jon is that he's either a wolf or a human because of his llf game :P (good luck jon)
Also I totally derped and forgot that it's impossible to claim miller (which REALLY screwed up my plans lol just ask mael) so if someone seers red should we
just lynch em since 1/4 chance isn't very good?
Loose thoughts:
Mashi's only realistically posted once.
Very loose thoughts:
Wolves wolf a wolf for the humans to waste reviver seed?(
Not likely at all but throwing it out there because it's possible)
EDIT: Mael do you want our chat log
Joining the chat ::)
sorry
Don't see why all the suspicion against me exists after I've barely posted anything. Realize that I haven't played TWG in a while and sort of forget how to do things. So that post was also for my own reminder as well as just stating something for people to realize. If that makes sense.
Anyway, I'm not liking Fire's idea of lynching inactives. It almost feels like he's trying to draw attention away from the more active players, which is definitely not what we should be doing.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 11, 2014, 06:55:43 PMAnyway, I'm not liking Fire's idea of lynching inactives. It almost feels like he's trying to draw attention away from the more active players, which is definitely not what we should be doing.
That's exactly what I'm trying to do, because I believe the active people are human.
What's with it with you people and thinking inactives are innocent.
WE DON'T HAVE TELLS ON INACTIVES. That's exactly why a wolf would be inactive, they're playing on the this whole innocent until proven guilty mentality humans have, by the time were done lynching all the active wolf-looking humans, we lose.
Another way to put it:
Lynching actives:
Best case: We lynch a wolf.
Worst case: We lynch a useful human.
Lynching inactives:
Best case: We lynch a wolf.
Worst case: We lynch a useless human (PRs will be impossible to mislynch due to the alliance.)
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 11, 2014, 06:48:18 PMWolves wolf a wolf for the humans to waste reviver seed?(Not likely at all but throwing it out there because it's possible)
It would have to be the Master Wolf, though, because of the cardflip.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 07:04:18 PMWhat's with it with you people and thinking inactives are innocent.
To be fair, though, some people would never be inactive as a wolf because they know people would lynch inactives for that reason.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 11, 2014, 07:09:41 PMTo be fair, though, some people would never be inactive as a wolf because they know people would lynch inactives for that reason.
I don't recall lynching inactives to ever be a thing early game, atleast on nsm.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 07:11:30 PMI don't recall lynching inactives to ever be a thing early game, atleast on nsm.
Everybody always brings it up, at the very least. :P
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 06:08:28 PMEDIT
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Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 11, 2014, 07:15:42 PMEverybody always brings it up, at the very least. :P
Yeah, but no one listens. >_>
Then the wolf ends up being the person riding in the back seat and everyones all like OMG I NEVER WUD OF GUESSED.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on December 11, 2014, 07:28:46 PMkitty
shhh I had to not look like a completely incompetent idiot who can't use forum code
We've got 'til saturday night, so there will probably be some long discussions on it.
I'd be in the chat, but I need sleep. :P Maybe tomorrow.
I'm preparing a very basic suspicion list. Will be in the chat while I do so.
noct
Logs when I can extract them from the tablet.
I'd prefer a blueflower lynch, but I have nothing wrong with bandwagoning noct. Waiting for things to clear up bit.
Here are my current thoughts:
1. Mashi
I have learned to be weary of mashi. He's always up to something, but so far this game I've got nothing from him.
2. NocturneOfShadow
Quite active and helpful in the chat this far. No real reason to suspect him yet.
3. fank009
Where have you been? I'm used to reading more from you. That might be a little odd, idk.
4. FireArrow
You jumped to the "inactive sacrifice" first, and like you said in the chat, I don't know why that's a bad thing, seeing as how it's always a formidable option. Reaction test wise, you held your own fine I thought.
5. BlackDragonSlayer
Acting pretty normal atm. No current leans.
6. Yugi
Acting pretty normal atm. No current leans.
7. The_Subjective_Thought
Rip indeed. A lucky guess to the wolves, really, since you hardly posted.
8. Toby
Wasn't quite sure of your intentions, post sending my claim. However, you seem to have formed a union between the "confirmed" members, and that should be greatly helpful as we go on.
9. Olimar12345
I sent in my claim (Toby can verify) but was not put in an alliance. Most likely because there have been multiple claims for my role, as implied here:
Quote from: Toby on December 11, 2014, 02:51:44 PMAn alliance between the people I know are human.
I could be a good lynch vote to confirm suspicions on others claiming my role, though at the risk of losing a member (though we do have that revive...).
10. mariolegofan
Do you even twg? If he's new here, I doubt he'd have too big a role, as to not overload him. Probably a "vanilla."
11. maelstrom
He hasn't posted very much but we see here that he is not in an alliance as well. (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.msg263911#msg263911) This little back-and-fourth between him and Toby also implies that he
did send in a claim. Similar thoughts here as I had about myself. Spontaneous vote again NoS was odd, but I suppose I have to pm Toby for more info on that matter.
12. Jon
You're quite quick to cause commotion, don't know how good that is. No other real thoughts about you yet.
13. blueflower999
Acting pretty normal atm. No current leans.
Edit/ ninjad twice!
Lol what was intended as a suspicion list actually just turned out to be a general "thoughts" list. Upon collecting my thoughts thus far, I realized that I have no real suspicions :S (this isn't good...)
Quote from: fank009 on December 11, 2014, 09:45:28 PMnoct
Logs when I can extract them from the tablet.
Sorry for the triple post, but will this be before the lynch? Would like to see said logs. Also, you're playing on a tablet?
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 11, 2014, 10:07:11 PMSorry for the triple post, but will this be before the lynch? Would like to see said logs. Also, you're playing on a tablet?
Will aim to put them out yeah, unless someone beats me to the punch.
For now also.
And to answer why I haven't been posting much, I have been chatting a bit. Just not a lot on n1 to talk about fmpov
Quote from: fank009 on December 11, 2014, 10:15:09 PMWill aim to put them out yeah, unless someone beats me to the punch.
For now also.
And to answer why I haven't been posting much, I have been chatting a bit. Just not a lot on n1 to talk about fmpov
You'll have to do it, I lost all my logs.
@FireArrow: who would you consider inactive targets that are worth lynching?
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 10:35:07 PMYou'll have to do it, I lost all my logs.
Speaking about lost logs :/
the gist of it was that noct was telling that he seer'd
(strangely I didn't lose all the logs and did get some PM logs...)
FA logs
(fank009) So, I got a message from you???
(FireArrow) ..?
(FireArrow) No
(FireArrow) I thought NoS sent you one.
(fank009) He did,
(fank009) Asking if I got one from you
(FireArrow) No, was there something you wanted me to send you?
[18:38] (fank009) ... Nothing really just gathering information...
[18:38] (fank009) And have you honestly not ol
[18:39] (fank009) Played since game of doors?
[18:39] (FireArrow) Yeah lol
[18:39] (FireArrow) I'm slowly picking up on the stuff I used to know
[18:40] (FireArrow) By D2 I should be fine
[18:47] (FireArrow) Did NoS send you the log between us?
[18:48] (fank009) ...
[18:48] (fank009) Not yet
[18:48] (FireArrow) Basically
[18:48] (FireArrow) he thinks I'm a wolf
[18:48] (FireArrow) and he claimed to be traitor
[18:48] (FireArrow) and he's trying to get my parters
[18:48] (fank009) Like I said...
[18:49] (FireArrow) It sounded like he was pretending to be the traitor tho
[18:49] (fank009) He's telling that you were a seering
[18:49] (FireArrow) Wait did he? He keeps avoiding the question
[18:50] (FireArrow) I think he's just really close in the alliance with toby
[18:50] (FireArrow) but not a seer himself
[18:50] (fank009) ...
[18:50] (FireArrow) Did I miss something?
[18:50] (fank009) So you think he's a mason buddy
[18:50] (fank009) Not really
[18:51] (FireArrow) NoS was never seered
[18:51] (FireArrow) I have no idea what color he is
[18:51] (fank009) ...
[18:51] (fank009) ....
[18:51] (FireArrow) Oh wait
[18:51] (FireArrow) yeah the thread >_>
[18:51] (FireArrow) Yeah he's probably a wolf nvm
[18:52] (FireArrow) he said in our chat that that was a "brilliant plan" or something
[18:52] (FireArrow) but he never said what the plan was
logs with Noct
(Nocturne) yo
(fank009) Hey...
(Nocturne) so fa says he sent you a pm
(Nocturne) did you get one from him
(fank009) I need to check context...
[18:54] (Nocturne) btw just kidding about the pm
[18:54] (Nocturne) just a reaction test
[18:55] (Nocturne) I am pretty sure FA is human at this point though, his reaction was a lot better than maelstroms
I pick the worst time to come in and make a post So... just some thoughts on some of the posts that have been made...
Quote from: mariolegofan on December 10, 2014, 01:52:45 PMlol.....as the wolves silently watch with their drooling mouths hanging wide open....
Considering what was going on at that time... wolves are doing what now???
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:09:20 PMWith that being said, can we lynch an inactive please. NSM TWG is so predictable, the wolves just play inactive until later because everyone just rush lynches suspicious (almost always human) players.
Depends on the wolves... and, isnt it a bit early to lynch inactives?
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 07:04:18 PMWorst case: We lynch a useless human (PRs will be impossible to mislynch due to the alliance.)
but then you'll be pointing out with a big neon sign... "THIS PERSON'S IN THE ALIANCE"
FA and fank I already pm'd out the logs I got so don't look at me :P
[18:49] (FireArrow) Wait did he? He keeps avoiding the question
[18:50] (FireArrow) I think he's just really close in the alliance with toby
[18:50] (FireArrow) but not a seer himself
[18:50] (fank009) ...
[18:50] (FireArrow) Did I miss something?
[18:50] (fank009) So you think he's a mason buddy
[18:50] (fank009) Not really
[18:51] (FireArrow) NoS was never seered
[18:51] (FireArrow) I have no idea what color he is
[18:51] (fank009) ...
[18:51] (fank009) ....
[18:51] (FireArrow) Oh wait
[18:51] (FireArrow) yeah the thread >_>
[18:51] (FireArrow) Yeah he's probably a wolf nvm
[18:52] (FireArrow) he said in our chat that that was a "brilliant plan" or something
[18:52] (FireArrow) but he never said what the plan was
Clarify? What plan
Quote from: Jon on December 12, 2014, 12:09:25 AM@FireArrow: who would you consider inactive targets that are worth lynching?
As of right now, Blueflower, MLF, mashi, possibly yugi. None have contributed to the discussion at hand, any posts they may have made were either arbitrary or them defending themselves. I'd also like to harp on Toby for leading the alliance, yet keeping it completely disjointed from the thread - you should at least try to input some opinion instead of playing god. Maelstrom likewise.
@Noct, You sorta claimed to the thread that you were red (the "I thought I could pretend to be a miller") and when I asked you about it, you said something along the lines of it being a brilliant plan. Honestly, I can't really pull any information from it other than I have no idea what's going on in your head.
I apologize toby if its just timezone. :P
It is timezones, he is in the same timezone as me. The update was at 3-4 am now, he said he would be online after school and it's 2.30 pm now. He will be online in a few hours.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 06:18:01 AMAs of right now, Blueflower, MLF, mashi, possibly yugi. None have contributed to the discussion at hand, any posts they may have made were either arbitrary or them defending themselves. I'd also like to harp on Toby for leading the alliance, yet keeping it completely disjointed from the thread - you should at least try to input some opinion instead of playing god. Maelstrom likewise.
@Noct, You sorta claimed to the thread that you were red (the "I thought I could pretend to be a miller") and when I asked you about it, you said something along the lines of it being a brilliant plan. Honestly, I can't really pull any information from it other than I have no idea what's going on in your head.
Oh, that lol. That was just what could have been a REALLY bad mistake on my part. I said if I had a red role I would have claimed miller lol because I thought the miller got a pm, Maelstrom told me otherwise
Maybe I said it in a really weird way, I haven't had much sleep in the last couple days haha but maybe the reason you can't pull info from it is because there is no info in it?? ;)
You know when you're playing chess and you like make up possible moves for the next 3 turns? Same way, except when I was planning the wolves' moves I thought it was possible that the regular wolf would claim as miller and seer wolf would claim seer. No joke I would have claimed miller to toby lol. So I'm glad I'm not a wolf because this game woulda been really lame for me :P
Current leans
Toby human(duh)
Me human(duh)
tst human (see earlier way out there idea in the thread that bds commented on)
Maelstrom human
Olimar human
FireArrow human(way to blow it fank >:( )
Jon looks more humanish than wolfish but not as human as the others
blueflower suspicious
fank suspicious
mashi ???
Yugi ???
MLF ???
And right now I think it may be possible for BDS to be a wolf from what I've seen him play, but I'll withhold judgement on that just yet.
For now
Mashi though
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 06:26:23 AMI apologize toby if its just timezone. :P
have you tried to pm him about it at all :P usually those work though time zones xD
Quote from: Jon on December 12, 2014, 06:32:48 AMIt is timezones, he is in the same timezone as me. The update was at 3-4 am now, he said he would be online after school and it's 2.30 pm now. He will be online in a few hours.
darn it woman stop posting stuff I'm trying to get a decent thought out and y'all keep interrupting.
Quote from: Jon on December 12, 2014, 06:32:48 AMIt is timezones, he is in the same timezone as me. The update was at 3-4 am now, he said he would be online after school and it's 2.30 pm now. He will be online in a few hours.
I see, right when I go to school (6:45 AM right now.) >_>
Double post sorry, but Nocturne, I really wouldn't recommend voting for anyone till toby gets back.
Tell that to mael lol he literally voted like right when day phase started
Just following your plan boss
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 12, 2014, 07:02:15 AMTell that to mael lol he literally voted like right when day phase started
Just following your plan boss
Woops. I guess I'll change it later.
I disagree with maels speedy veiled reason vote aswell. I mean, I appreciate you helping with that plan I told you about, but I'd like to hear toby's and maels reason for lynching you.
You know what, what the hell, Mashi, I can always change it later.
not being able to edit my grammar sucks so hard .-.
Okay, sorry for being late, was sleeping and had school, I sent out a few PM's and joined the chat for a bit in the morning and let people know I'd post later, but I didn't have any time to read the actual thread or make a post!
Okay so as for Maelstrom, I presume this is what his vote is based on and I don't really see any reason why he couldn't post it for himself but the other night Mael and Nocturne had a chat on mibbit and interrogated each other and this is what I got from Mael:
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 11, 2014, 09:59:15 AMI'm still a human, but I don't think Noct is.
A note, in the past, I have played like a wolf, so don't immediately suspect me.
Nocturne has indirectly claimed traitor, and I master wolf under his annoying pressure, hoping to get him to say something. He asked for predictions, and I gave him some random stuff, mainly about wolfing jon, or you, but that was not likely
Here's a chat log link
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17jDUFPIPKMfgEc_0kCPAnbwJUBzDtaHDOEN_BtdFHic/edit?usp=sharing
I didn't really think anything of it other than the fact that Nocturne ALSO sent me a PM, accusing Mael of being suspicious too, the thing that was even weirder was the logs I got from him:
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 11, 2014, 09:59:45 AMNot sure what to do with this, so here ya go. I didn't want to post to the thread yet in case he's actually a human and still just playing wolfishly. What did he claim to you?
Spoiler
09:38 Maelstrom_ Here
09:39 Maelstrom_ Is anyone else?
09:41 Maelstrom_ nope.
09:46 Maelstrom_ hello.....?
09:55 Nocturne hi
09:55 --- Nocturne is back
09:55 Nocturne was playing a craptastic game of league
09:56 Nocturne pokes Maelstrom_
09:56 *** Nocturne is now known as Nick
09:56 *** Nick is now known as Hey
09:56 Hey ! Listen !
09:56 Hey ! Listen !
09:58 Hey ! Listen !
09:59 Hey ! Listen !
10:11 Hey ! LISTEN
10:14 Maelstrom_ And I'm back.
10:14 Maelstrom_ Oops
10:14 Maelstrom_ Go away, navi
10:14 Maelstrom_ Or, should i say, ivan
10:18 Hey wat
10:18 Hey oh
10:18 Hey lol
10:18 *** Hey is now known as Nock
10:18 *** Nock is now known as Noct
10:19 Maelstrom_ idk why, but I was reading/playing the Umineko demo epilogue instead of doing schoolwork.
10:19 Noct I don't have schoolwork, tomorrow's last day of semester
10:20 Maelstrom_ I've got a final today
10:20 Maelstrom_ At 2:30
10:20 Maelstrom_ I'm too confident
10:20 Noct but I'm going to piano lessons and work in a few hours
10:20 Maelstrom_ Where do you work?
10:20 Noct uh
10:20 Maelstrom_ idk just wondering
10:20 Noct I work at a movie theater and at walmart
10:21 Maelstrom_ Ah
10:21 Noct I just don't like telling people I work at walmart then I remembered I don't actually know you in real life
10:21 Maelstrom_ Ah
10:23 Noct Somebody flipping blue is best shot for revive
10:23 Noct brb
10:24 Maelstrom_ Yep
10:27 Noct Toby dying removes the brutal
10:29 Maelstrom_ yep
10:31 Maelstrom_ Will the wolves go for it?
10:32 Maelstrom_ One of them would die, but another human would need to clam, and be exposed because of that.
10:34 Noct not till later I don't think
10:35 Maelstrom_ Until they control the lynch vote?
10:35 Maelstrom_ Would one of them still die that way?
10:37 Noct it would be random
10:37 Maelstrom_ You mean it would be random which one of them dies
10:37 Noct with luck by late game the wolves could end on day phase
10:37 Noct but it's not likely
10:38 Noct toby will probably stay alive the whole game
10:39 Maelstrom_ 5 humans need to die before the wolves control the lynch vote. Looks like it could be a long game....
10:39 Noct naw
10:39 Maelstrom_ It depends who gets lynched in the day phases
10:39 Noct even with 13 players, several people can die each night
10:39 Noct balances out that way
10:40 Maelstrom_ Only one person can die each night, except for the brutal.
10:42 Noct fitzsimmons
10:42 Maelstrom_ Ah
10:43 Maelstrom_ But that's only once.
10:44 Noct it still accelerates it
10:44 Maelstrom_ Yep
10:46 Maelstrom_ Any wolf who finds himself in danger of being revealed will claim one of those two.
10:46 Maelstrom_ Guarenteed
10:46 Maelstrom_ And he'll name a random human as his partner, so if he gets killed, his partner will be killed right afterwards
10:46 Maelstrom_ Unless the partner denies it
10:47 Noct ah but they'll have claimed to toby
10:47 Maelstrom_ No.
10:47 Noct fitz/simmons should have claimed to toby
10:47 Maelstrom_ Wati
10:47 Maelstrom_ Yeah.
10:47 Maelstrom_ I'm sure the wolves falsely claimed to toby, as well.
10:48 Maelstrom_ Probably and named humans
10:48 Noct nah
10:48 Maelstrom_ b/c toby can't seer
10:48 Noct I think jon is actually the seer
10:48 Maelstrom_ ....
10:48 Noct and this is just my train of though
10:48 Noct t
10:48 Maelstrom_ Oh, great
10:48 Noct I think jon's the seer because toby seems to think he is
10:49 Noct therefore jon must've claimed to toby
10:49 Noct so
10:49 Maelstrom_ or jon might be one of two people who claimed seer to toby
10:49 Noct It depends on if the wolves believe jon to be the seer or not
10:49 Noct because the wolf seer has to claim miller
10:49 Noct it's a cardflip game, remember?
10:50 Maelstrom_ It would be crazy if all the wolves claimed seer to toby, and sent conflicting seer results each night
10:50 Maelstrom_ And didn't kill the real seer
10:50 Noct lol
10:50 Noct that's actually not a bad plan
10:50 Noct I'll let my partn...
10:50 Noct never mind
10:50 Maelstrom_ But if the seer dies, game over
10:50 Maelstrom_ Too risky
10:51 Noct there are 4 red roles
10:51 Noct 3 playing for wolf team 1 playing for human team
10:51 Maelstrom_ Only half are wolves
10:51 Noct traitor wins when wolves win
10:51 Noct wow that alliteration
10:51 Maelstrom_ But if all wolves die, traitor looses
10:51 Maelstrom_ lol
10:53 Noct not sure if traitor counts as a human...
10:53 Maelstrom_ Then why is it grouped with the humans?
10:54 Noct because he was on the human team then he betrayed them
10:54 Noct brb
10:54 Maelstrom_ But..
10:55 Noct Sided with the wolves, but doesn't know who they are, and doesn't count towards wolf victory. Seer'd orange.
10:55 Noct by liggy
10:55 Maelstrom_ Red
10:55 Maelstrom_ I think
10:55 Maelstrom_ At least in this game
10:55 Noct red/orange same thing
10:55 Maelstrom_ whtvr
10:55 Noct both used to describe wolf roles
10:55 Noct orange is for special wolf roles iirc
10:56 Maelstrom_ In specific games
10:56 Maelstrom_ All red in this one
10:56 Noct so I guess jon's seering move wasn't a good one
10:57 Maelstrom_ Who did he seer?
10:57 Noct idk if he's even the seer
10:57 Maelstrom_ what move did he make
10:57 Noct claiming seer
10:57 Maelstrom_ .....
10:58 Maelstrom_ What
10:58 Maelstrom_ What is that bad?
10:58 Maelstrom_ *why\
10:58 Maelstrom_ *why
10:58 Noct jon claims seer>toby claims brutal human>creates alliance>toby knows if jon is the seer or not>if jon's the seer wolves can kill him then claim human>if jon's not the seer wolves HAVE to claim miller
10:59 Maelstrom_ Oh.
10:59 Maelstrom_ Did he say he was the seer publicly?
10:59 Noct yes
10:59 Maelstrom_ ouch
10:59 Maelstrom_ I thought he was joking11:00 Maelstrom_ But idk if he knows what he's doing
11:00 Noct he does have experience on LLF
11:00 Maelstrom_ Oh
11:00 Maelstrom_ I don't have that
11:00 Maelstrom_ Which is completely obvious
11:00 Noct last time I saw toby he seemed to think jon was the seer so I also think jon is the seer
11:01 Noct because toby's holding all the cards right now
11:01 Maelstrom_ And maybe some of those cards are duds
11:01 Maelstrom_ If everyone but the wolves clam, then it's obvious who the wolves are
11:01 Noct 4 of those cards are almost for certain fake claims
11:01 Noct I wonder what the traitor would claim
11:01 Maelstrom_ Probs not all human claims
11:01 Noct probably just miller
11:02 Maelstrom_ You can't claim miller
11:02 Maelstrom_ You don't know
11:02 Maelstrom_ Nobody knows
11:02 Noct okay lol
11:03 Noct welp I totally misread that
11:03 Noct wolves can't claim miller lol
11:03 Noct thought there was a miller pm man I'm so bad xD
11:04 Maelstrom_ It's called a miller because he doesn't know
11:05 Noct well I'm glad I didn't get a red role because I woulda been screwed over by toby lol
11:05 Noct I legit would have claimed miller
11:05 Noct >.>
11:05 Maelstrom_ lol
11:05 Maelstrom_ *hah
11:05 Maelstrom_ *haha
11:06 Noct so are you the regular hydra member or the seer
11:06 Maelstrom_ Me?
11:06 Noct no, I'm talking to jon.
11:06 Maelstrom_ I'm a nobody
11:06 Maelstrom_ *Huma
11:06 Maelstrom_ *Human
11:06 Maelstrom_ woops
11:06 Maelstrom_ erase that
11:06 Noct *o*
11:06 Maelstrom_ idc
11:07 Maelstrom_ I'm still
11:07 Maelstrom_ Yeah
11:07 Maelstrom_ You can stop now
11:08 Noct it's fine dude I'm the traitor, you can tell me!
11:08 Maelstrom_ wat
11:08 Maelstrom_ really?
11:08 Noct I just want to know who you're seering is all
11:08 Maelstrom_ You're kidding
11:08 Maelstrom_ what
11:09 Noct Such wolf tells
11:09 Maelstrom_ You know jon has been idle for 11 hours, right?
11:09 Maelstrom_ *10 hours, 47 minutes
11:09 Noct lol
Spoiler
11:09 Noct HEY
11:09 Noct COME OVER HER
11:09 Noct HERE
11:09 Noct JON CAN'T SEE US HERE
11:12 Maelstrom_ GOT IT
11:12 Maelstrom_ NOT SEER
11:12 Maelstrom_ PROBS
11:13 Maelstrom_ Did you know you an PM yourself?
11:13 Maelstrom_ It's werid
11:13 Noct lol
11:13 Noct really?
11:13 Noct so
11:13 Maelstrom_ so...
11:13 Noct I currently have our entire chat copy pasted and ready to post to the thread
11:13 Maelstrom_ so...
11:13 Noct spill or die
11:14 Maelstrom_ You know I play like a wolf, right?
11:14 Noct yep
11:14 Maelstrom_ And I've been a human every game so far, right?
11:14 Noct which is why I want more info
11:14 Noct before I post to the thread
11:14 Maelstrom_ I need info on you too...
11:14 Noct I hosted 1 game
11:15 Noct I got better at TWG
11:15 Noct the end
11:15 Maelstrom_ lol
11:15 Maelstrom_ haha -- mlf
11:15 Noct >.>
11:15 Maelstrom_ Guess what
11:15 Noct you're a wolf
11:15 Maelstrom_ I'm a human again.
11:15 Noct okay how about this
11:15 Maelstrom_ How about what
11:16 Noct you tell me who one of the wolf partners is
11:16 Maelstrom_ uhhhh.....
11:16 Noct since they're obviously the seer
11:16 Maelstrom_ I'm seriously not a wolf.
11:16 Noct we can lynch them and spare you
11:16 Noct
11:16 Maelstrom_ Seriouly
11:17 Maelstrom_ We don't want another TWG 69
11:17 Noct just know that what I post to the chat will make you look VERY susp
11:17 Maelstrom_ http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6336.0
11:17 Maelstrom_ Which means you are looking wolfish
11:18 Noct lol
11:18 Noct I guess i'll pm it to toby first
11:18 Noct see what he thinks
11:18 Noct unless you claim wolf right now
11:18 Maelstrom_ I can't
11:19 Noct in which case I will not post anything to the thread
11:19 Maelstrom_ Why do you want me to claim wolf?
11:19 Noct so that I can post it to the thread
11:19 Maelstrom_ B/c you are a traitor and want to connect with the wolves
11:19 Noct why do you play so much like a wolf
11:19 Maelstrom_ idk
11:19 Maelstrom_ I'm weird
11:20 Noct it will get you lynched
11:20 Maelstrom_ It has
11:20 Maelstrom_ Every time.
11:20 Maelstrom_ I can't stop
11:20 Noct try hosting a game.
11:20 Maelstrom_ I don't know what I'm doing.
11:20 Maelstrom_ ^disasterwaitingtohappen
11:20 Noct okay
11:21 Noct you just...
11:21 Maelstrom_ .....
11:21 Maelstrom_ waiting
11:21 Noct there are so many things you said that lead me to believe you're a wolf
11:21 Maelstrom_ Like every other game.
11:21 Noct why else would you have come to the private chat
11:21 Noct if you're a human you'd have nothing to hide from jon
11:21 Noct so you're a wolf mael, sorry.
11:22 Maelstrom_ B/c you might have said somthing you wanted to hide
11:22 Noct now either I'm the traitor or I'm not the traitor
11:22 Noct but that's your call
11:22 Noct 11:08 Noct it's fine dude I'm the traitor, you can tell me!
11:23 Maelstrom_ In the main thing
11:23 Maelstrom_ The only person that could view it was jon
11:23 Maelstrom_ idk if it auto-disconnects after a while
11:23 Noct if he's idle he can see it
11:23 Noct but since I know you're a wolf I'll help you out
11:23 Maelstrom_ If you were the traitor, I don't think you would be that stupid
11:24 Maelstrom_ *Not a wolf
11:24 Noct if you don't want him to see we need to spam post to remove all the messages in the pm log
11:24 Noct but just remember
11:24 Noct I kept track of all of it
11:24 Maelstrom_ Ok.
11:24 Noct So I'm gonna ask you 1 more time
11:25 Noct which wolf are you
11:25 Maelstrom_ the one that's not a wolf
11:25 Noct so you're the traitor
11:25 Noct which wolf are you
11:25 Maelstrom_ or a traitor
11:25 Noct and what is your seering target tonight
11:26 Maelstrom_ Me
11:26 Maelstrom_ b/c I can't seer
11:26 Noct or because you're the master wolf
11:26 Noct and will get seered green
11:26 Maelstrom_ true
11:27 Noct just so you know I'm not recording any of this for about the past 5 minutes
11:27 Maelstrom_ OK
11:27 Maelstrom_ It's basicly the same thing, over and over agina
11:28 Maelstrom_ You're not getting anywhere
11:28 Noct alright if you won't answer which wolf you are
11:28 Noct I'm asking you this
11:28 Noct what role am I?
11:28 Maelstrom_ Not a human special role
11:28 Maelstrom_ for sure
11:29 Maelstrom_ Either a wolf
11:29 Maelstrom_ or a human trying too hard
11:29 Maelstrom_ leaning twords the former
Nothing really in the content of the logs I found suspicious but it was how much content I got. Nocturne missed out a bunch of logs that Mael actually managed to provide me with:
THE SECRET LOGS
12:30 Maelstrom_ what are you really?
12:30 Noct ok
12:30 Noct now there are 3 options
12:30 Noct 1 I post to the thread right now
12:30 Noct 2 I post to the thread when day 1 starts
12:30 Noct 3 I pm the chat log to toby
12:30 Noct option 1, you have a chance to explain yourself
12:31 Maelstrom_ and....
12:31 Noct option 2 is very likely to get you lynched, but it might get me lynched too for holding on to it for so long
12:31 Noct option 3 is what a good human would do
12:31 Maelstrom_ I didn't notice the 4th option
12:31 Noct where you claim wolf to me
12:31 Noct right
12:32 Maelstrom_ And, I also have no way to know if you really PM'd toby or not
12:32 Noct I have not yet PM'd toby
12:32 Noct but I have claimed to him
12:32 Maelstrom_ Claimed what
12:32 Maelstrom_ I must know
12:32 Noct miller!
12:32 Maelstrom_ lol
12:32 Maelstrom_ wait........
12:33 Noct wait for it...
12:33 Noct waiiiiit foor it.....
12:33 Maelstrom_ HAHAHAHAHJAHAHA
12:33 Noct I can literally hear you thinking
12:33 Noct use that big brain of yours and choose the right option
12:33 Maelstrom_ I am literally laughing right now.
12:34 Noct no pics no proof
12:34 Maelstrom_ Pics of what
12:34 Noct you laughing
12:35 Maelstrom_ I don't lie. (much)
12:35 Noct mael
12:35 Maelstrom_ what
12:36 Maelstrom_ wat
12:36 Maelstrom_ wut
12:36 Noct just because you play like a wolf will not give you a free pass just because
12:36 Maelstrom_ ...
12:36 Noct if you play like a wolf people will think you're a wolf
12:36 Noct if you get seered green people are gonna think you're the master wolf
12:36 Maelstrom_ Sadly, yes
12:36 Maelstrom_ Yep.
12:36 Noct so pick the proper option.
12:37 Noct for goodness' sake mael I already know you're a wolf
12:37 Maelstrom_ Fine
12:37 Noct don't do this man
12:37 Maelstrom_ do what
12:37 Noct pretend otherwise
12:37 Maelstrom_ fine
12:37 Noct now I want to know which wolf you are
12:37 Noct and the name of a red wolf
12:38 Maelstrom_ The first, yes.
12:38 Maelstrom_ The last, no
12:38 Noct you are not the "yes" wolf and there isn't anyone playing with the name of "no".
12:39 Maelstrom_ lol
12:39 Noct Don't you think
12:40 Noct never mind
12:40 Noct with you it doesn't matter
12:40 Maelstrom_ what
12:40 Noct doesn't matter
12:40 Maelstrom_ I MUST KNOW
12:40 Noct not important
12:40 Maelstrom_ fine
12:41 Maelstrom_ Is that all?
12:41 Noct well, I still don't have your role
12:42 Noct should I just pen you down as henchwolf
12:42 Maelstrom_ No
12:42 Maelstrom_ You know why
12:43 Noct "because you're human"
12:43 Noct "because you're batman"
12:43 Maelstrom_ lol
12:43 Maelstrom_ lololol
12:43 Noct "because you're the master wolf"
12:43 Maelstrom_ ^
12:43 Noct because you're the wolf seer.
12:43 Maelstrom_ ^
12:43 Maelstrom_ wait, no
12:43 Maelstrom_ Fist one
12:43 Maelstrom_ *First
12:43 Noct I choose to fist the seer
12:44 Maelstrom_ haha
12:44 Noct so maelstrom this is how we'll do it
12:44 Noct you tell me right now who you're going to wolf and you you're going to seer
12:45 Maelstrom_ Why
12:45 Noct and I'll keep the chat log off the thread until what you have told me happens
12:45 Maelstrom_ jon will be wolfed, haven't decided who to seer yet.
12:45 Maelstrom_ Maybe you......
12:46 Noct if for some reason your "prophecy" turns out incorrect I will submit the info to the thread and you'll go down pretty quick.
12:46 Maelstrom_ K
12:46 Noct DON'T POST IN THE MAIN LOG
12:47 Maelstrom_ I will want to note, we have tossed around the idea of killing Toby. At this point, I don't think it'll happen, but, who knows, we may change our minds
12:48 Noct PM me at 3 PM today.
12:48 Noct that'd be 4 your time
12:49 Noct Toby WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS!!!
12:51 Maelstrom_ Sorry
12:51 Maelstrom_ 3hr Calc final at 2:30
12:51 Noct sure, sure.
12:52 Noct BEFORE THE PHASE ENDS
12:52 Noct if you don't come through your wolf buddies will be very angry at you for losing 1/3 of your team.
I just found it weird Nocturne would leave this out so I do have some suspicions on him, but guess what? He won't be our lynch today!
Last night I had 3 people who I was waiting to get claims from and I had to PM, 2 will remain anonymous from now, but one, Firearrow, who responded to me, striked me as very odd:
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 12:59:45 PMI'd prefer not to claim until day 1, hope your OK with that.
When I asked why he wouldn't claim even though it was pretty evident no one was going to counter claim me as everyone had seen my claim and everyone had seen my last warning telling everyone to claim, I didn't get a reply until the phase was over,
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 04:59:28 PMSorry, I just wanted to seer you before claiming.
I'm Skye
So even after I announced to the thread I was gonna make the alliance an hour before phase ended, the guy who potentially would have been part of the alliance decided to pretty much allow a wolf to walk in, makes sense? A wolf wouldn't worry about a wolf walking into the alliance and ruining the plans. After I found out FireArrow wasn't gonna claim till day 1, I was pretty confident that this son of a gun was a wolf, possibly with the other two poops that didn't claim yet, I asked to get this biscuit seered! What happened?
FireArrow (this is a vote) is Red.
:/
Obviously the first one to claim is telling the truth.
Thanks for telling the thread, if not today, I'm dead tonight.
I wanted to seer you before I claimed, I really don't see why that means I was letting a wolf walk in when I could very well be walking into a wolf.
You didn't make any objections to my legitimacy in the thread or the chat, you didn't tell the thread that you didn't think we should claim yet so all I can believe is that you wanted to delay, it looks to me like you were just trying to buy time by pretending that you wanted 'proof' before claiming. Even when I said an alliance was set up you still didn't claim.
If I died last night an alliance would have been made without you, I said an alliance was going to be set up before night ended.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 07:45:00 AM:/
Obviously the first one to claim is telling the truth.
Thanks for telling the thread, if not today, I'm dead tonight.
I wanted to seer you before I claimed, I really don't see why that means I was letting a wolf walk in when I could very well be walking into a wolf.
um
except a toby seering is ridiculously easy to make up. The real may would have counterclaimed a LONG time ago, so I'd say this is pretty solid evidence. The fact that you claimed skye is proof that you're not the miller (because as I found out the miller doesn't know he's red lol) and the fact that you "seered" toby probably means you're just the regular wolf; (I might be making stuff up here lol) but if you were the seering wolf you probably would have claimed seer a lot earlier, having the power to back it up. Oh, I guess you could be the traitor too lol
;( I wish it didn't have to end this way mate
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 07:45:00 AM:/
Obviously the first one to claim is telling the truth.
Thanks for telling the thread, if not today, I'm dead tonight.
I wanted to seer you before I claimed, I really don't see why that means I was letting a wolf walk in when I could very well be walking into a wolf.
wait a second. You were seered red and you think you're going to die tonight if you don't get lynched?
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Shit, I'm confused. So Toby knows a seer (anonymous), that see'd FA red, and FA claims to be a seer that claimed to Toby second, after seer-ing Toby safe? Let me put it his way:
Toby's anonymous seer
-said they seer'd FA red
-claimed to Toby first
FireArrow
-seer'd Toby safe
-claimed to Toby second
Is this correct?
Fire arrow claimed far after the alliance was even set up, but mostly yes. Toby had skye seer firearrow after his saying "I'd prefer not to claim until day 1, hope your OK with that."
Also firearrow never actually told us the result of the seering soooo
FireArrow, despite having no objections in the thread, in the chat, or in PM, to claim to me, wanted to wait till Day1 to claim to me, even after he knew an alliance was set up (implying that there is a seer since I didn't show any signs of missing a seer claim).
He thought it was okay for everyone to claim to me, but not for him to claim to me.
Firearrow's reasons make sense, but not in this game. If there would be a counterclaim for May, then it should have come out night one, and soon after the initial claim. (Unless May is mlf, in which case, we're all screwed) And, it would be quite bad for the wolves to counterclaim in the first place, as it would lead to loss of 1/3 of the wolves' team. It would be counterproductive to wait until day one to claim, and not seer someone else suspicious. If toby got someone to seer Firearrow, then Firearrow is obviously not the seer. Or that seer is a wolf who knew what Firearrow was and didn't have to seer them.
tl;dr: Firearrow is either a wolf, or a seer with poor decision-making skills and the supposed seer is a wolf
Or toby is a wolf.....
Plus, if the seer that is in the alliance now is a wolf, then they know who the masons are and could have easily wolfed one of them without me thinking much of it.
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 08:13:46 AMPlus, if the seer that is in the alliance now is a wolf, then they know who the masons are and could have easily wolfed one of them without me thinking much of it.
unless TST WAS a miller
I said mason
I SAID, MASON.
What is it with you and millers....
I'm kind of questioning the validity of your seer, Toby. It seems like they gained access to the union just because they got there first (FA's argument). Saying that them not wolfing a miller doesn't justify them right away. Doing something like that would be an obvious wolf gift away imo. No wolf in their right mind would jeprodize a seer position that early in the game for a single miller target.
Though, this is all speculation. Maybe you do have the correct seer and you have spotted a potential wolf day 1.
That wasn't even related mael :P
Oh I guess if TST was a MASON 2 people would have died haha
Oh crap, post correction: millers = masons
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 08:23:55 AMI'm kind of questioning the validity of your seer, Toby. It seems like they gained access to the union just because they got there first (FA's argument). Saying that them not wolfing a miller doesn't justify them right away. Doing something like that would be an obvious wolf gift away imo. No wolf in their right mind would jeprodize a seer position that early in the game for a single miller target.
Though, this is all speculation. Maybe you do have the correct seer and you have spotted a potential wolf day 1.
I don't see why it's a big deal. Toby knows who the anon seer is and if FA cardflips differently we'll know for sure.
Also reviver seed :D
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 08:25:09 AMOh crap, post correction: millers = masons
see mael olimar does it too. It's not that uncommon D:
And, if we don't kill a wolf, we can just revive them.
If wolves get the revive we lose, I gotta go to school. I'll respond when I get home.
^True
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 12, 2014, 08:35:22 AM^True
I think it's false, he doesn't really HAVE to go to school
it's just a life choice
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 12, 2014, 08:40:03 AMI think it's false, he doesn't really HAVE to go to school
it's just a life choice
NOS IS RIGHT OBVIOUS WOLF QUICKLY EVERYONE VOTE NOW! MERGERD‼
Hahaha, darn, I was really suspicious of FireArrow, but I didn't post about it yet because I need to finish this assignment. Would have been nice to show off a bit, but oh well!!!
Other suspicion is on NocturneOfShadow. Haven't really taken a good look at the thread yet though, but I'll go in depth about things if I'm given until this evening. Sorry for the delay!
Yeah there's no way I'm believimg FireArrow is the seer over whoever Toby has in his alliance. I'm not gonna change my vote I dont think, we'll learn enough from FireArrows card flip to see who is telling the truth and who is lying.
Fire Arrow at the moment seems like the only lynch target with any form of concrete evidence going against him. If you think about it, Fire's posts make a lot of sense if you assume that he's a wolf while reading them.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:09:20 PMWith that being said, can we lynch an inactive please.
Let's say Fire Arrow is a wolf. The obvious implication of this statement is to lead us towards lynching inactive players, and lynching inactive humans is, of course, exactly what the wolfs want us to do. It's like blindly taking a stab in the dark versus using logic, deduction, suspicion lists, Seer results, etc. to narrow down who would be the most likely candidate. Lynching people at random sort of goes against what TWG is all about in the first place.
That being said, Fire Arrow presents the exact opposite argument.
Quote4. Your logic isn't even logic, it's just plain not true. We have something to gain by lynching wolves, how would lynching an active person be more beneficial than an inactive person? Wolves have MORE to lose for lynching inactive people, because active people will be the ones to find them, inactives will be... well... inactive.
The wolves certainly benefit from lynching inactive people if all the wolves are active participants in the lynchings. A viable strategy for the wolves would be to lead the charge against the inactives while they're among us the entire time... :o
Claiming Seer to Toby so late was a bad move. Fire, at the very least, you could have claimed human to him first during the day phase and then changed your claim later to Seer when no one counterclaimed him as the Brutal Human. But you didn't do that, apparently. That plus a red Seering from a Seer that didn't even know about you claiming Skye (as the PM was sent in the night whereas you claimed this day phase) just makes you look too suspicious to pass up.
If Fire Arrow is a wolf by the cardflip, then this should give us some more targets to go off of. In the slim chance that he's the miller or the slightly more possible chance that he's the real Seer, reviving is always a possibility (assuming the wolfs don't get the item). To me, he looks like the best lynch choice for us today.
One of you will probably tear apart this post and find things that make me look ridiculously suspicious, but it's still what I think.
Off topic, but I just received this fucking lovely PM from MLF:
Quote from: mariolegofan on December 12, 2014, 12:48:32 PMThis week turned into one heck of a BUSY week and that busyness doesnt end 'till Sunday night so.....just disqualify me. I'm gonna be way to busy.
~MLF
Anyone else want to join in?
apparently someone thinks olimar is hosting this game???
Oh, I let him know.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 12, 2014, 12:49:30 PMThat plus a red Seering from a Seer that didn't even know about you claiming Skye (as the PM was sent in the night whereas you claimed this day phase) just makes you look too suspicious to pass up.
This detail is of great importance, and the reason for my vote.
FireArrow.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 01:04:55 PMOh, I let him know.
Olimar12345.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 12, 2014, 12:49:30 PMFire Arrow at the moment seems like the only lynch target with any form of concrete evidence going against him. If you think about it, Fire's posts make a lot of sense if you assume that he's a wolf while reading them.
Let's say Fire Arrow is a wolf. The obvious implication of this statement is to lead us towards lynching inactive players, and lynching inactive humans is, of course, exactly what the wolfs want us to do. It's like blindly taking a stab in the dark versus using logic, deduction, suspicion lists, Seer results, etc. to narrow down who would be the most likely candidate. Lynching people at random sort of goes against what TWG is all about in the first place.
That being said, Fire Arrow presents the exact opposite argument.
The wolves certainly benefit from lynching inactive people if all the wolves are active participants in the lynchings. A viable strategy for the wolves would be to lead the charge against the inactives while they're among us the entire time... :o
Claiming Seer to Toby so late was a bad move. Fire, at the very least, you could have claimed human to him first during the day phase and then changed your claim later to Seer when no one counterclaimed him as the Brutal Human. But you didn't do that, apparently. That plus a red Seering from a Seer that didn't even know about you claiming Skye (as the PM was sent in the night whereas you claimed this day phase) just makes you look too suspicious to pass up.
If Fire Arrow is a wolf by the cardflip, then this should give us some more targets to go off of. In the slim chance that he's the miller or the slightly more possible chance that he's the real Seer, reviving is always a possibility (assuming the wolfs don't get the item). To me, he looks like the best lynch choice for us today.
One of you will probably tear apart this post and find things that make me look ridiculously suspicious, but it's still what I think.
Everything you said could be true, but couldn't you also say his actions make perfect sense as the seer? He doesn't want to claim a special role to someone who could be a wolf, etc. I'm not saying he might be the seer. All i'm saying is that anything can
make perfect sense from multiple points of view lol so we shouldn't just throw that in his face. Plus you use big words and it's scary D:
Personally I think his
reaction to the seering is much stronger evidence against him because there's always a chance that we get the reviver seed. Had I been in his spot I might have
agreed to the vote if only to prove to everyone that I was not actually red; proving to the humans that the seer in the alliance was a wolf in disguise :P
So I see
nothing wrong in voting for
FireArrow because even if he is human that would be an
8 against 3 chance we get the reviver seed.FA flips green/blue:
-humans get seed=revive FA(if blue) OR TST(if green); humans get a
confirmed wolf as the fake seer-wolves get seed=The only way I would see them using it is
if they could wolf toby then use the seed on whoever died but I doubt they can do that.
FA flips red:
-humans get seed=revive TST; at the very worst
we traded miller for confirmed human.
-wolves get seed=FA is revived and
we lose a lynch vote, but our seer is confirmedSorry man, take one for the team?
So a current vote count should look something like this:
FireArrow: 4 (Jon, Toby, Blueflower, and Myself)
NoS: 2 (Maelstrom and Fank)
Mashi: 1 (FireArrow)
Olimar: 1 (NoS)
Personally, I would be willing to change my vote to someone better. FA isn't a bullet-proof candidate tbh.
Toby is not a wolf, I seered him blue. Opening up two windows now so I can address everything I possibly.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 02:01:06 PMSo a current vote count should look something like this:
FireArrow: 4 (Jon, Toby, Blueflower, and Myself)
NoS: 2 (Maelstrom and Fank)
Mashi: 1 (FireArrow)
Olimar: 1 (NoS)
Personally, I would be willing to change my vote to someone better. FA isn't a bullet-proof candidate tbh.
I have a vote on FireArrow though
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:09:20 PMWith that being said, can we lynch an inactive please. NSM TWG is so predictable, the wolves just play inactive until later because everyone just rush lynches suspicious (almost always human) players.
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 07:41:33 AMFireArrow (this is a vote) is Red.
seeing FA has 4 votes, I'm not gonna vote for now to make the phase short... but for now, I'm for an FA lynch
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 03:22:23 PMI thought this was a vote.
I later bolded fire arrow though.
Jub can I color FA's name red for clarity?
Can we plz stop bolding people's names if you're not voting for them
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 12, 2014, 03:52:45 PMCan we plz stop bolding people's names if you're not voting for them
who's doing that?
BDS
Shouldnt keep my vote no Noct for now.
Firearrow
We really don't have any other good options that have a decent chance of confirming a lot of things.
Do we wanna insta this though
Hmm... interesting revelation. If FireArrow were a wolf, I'm not sure why he would wait to claim (it would be an easy opportunity to mess up the alliance), but as a special, it makes sense that he's want to be more cautious before claiming (it seems like something I might do), although I don't exactly agree with his reasons for waiting in a game like this (assuming he is, in fact, a special).
This post is at large a giant train of thought ending in a plan to handle this. I encourage you to read all of it, but just skip to the end if you have to.
QuoteYou didn't make any objections to my legitimacy in the thread or the chat, you didn't tell the thread that you didn't think we should claim yet so all I can believe is that you wanted to delay, it looks to me like you were just trying to buy time by pretending that you wanted 'proof' before claiming. Even when I said an alliance was set up you still didn't claim.
You misunderstood my intentions. I never thought you were a wolf, I just wanted to be sure you weren't. Was it wrong of me to be overly cautious, apparently.
Anyways, your whole argument hinges on that it would be bad play for a seer to wait a day. You are completely ignoring that fact that it's equally bad play for a wolf to wait a day. In terms of debate and fallacies, you're cherry picking fueled by confirmation bias.
QuoteIf I died last night an alliance would have been made without you, I said an alliance was going to be set up before night ended.
If you were who you claimed you were, you wouldn't of died. Unless the wolves have no brain cells that is: "Yeah! Let's sacrifice someone to kill toby! Oh no, he was revived! Lets sacrifice someone again! :DDDD"
Quoteum
except a toby seering is ridiculously easy to make up. The real may would have counterclaimed a LONG time ago, so I'd say this is pretty solid evidence. The fact that you claimed skye is proof that you're not the miller (because as I found out the miller doesn't know he's red lol) and the fact that you "seered" toby probably means you're just the regular wolf; (I might be making stuff up here lol) but if you were the seering wolf you probably would have claimed seer a lot earlier, having the power to back it up. Oh, I guess you could be the traitor too lol
;( I wish it didn't have to end this way mate
This paragraph contains absolutely no water. Wolves have contact with eachother, wolves have a seer. If I was a wolf, I wouldn't need to "make up" a seering. If my intentions of seering Toby were to "proove" myself to be a seer, I'd of seered someone else and started my own alliance. Seering Toby is a complete waste of time for the wolves.
Quotewait a second. You were seered red and you think you're going to die tonight if you don't get lynched?
I'm claiming that I'm not red. I don't know who made up the seering, considering Toby never even PMed me back. Wish he would've, because then we could at least make a good plan to see who's telling the truth without risking anything. To late now though, because even if I can convince you guys, the wolves can just wolf me.
QuoteFire arrow claimed far after the alliance was even set up, but mostly yes. Toby had skye seer firearrow after his saying "I'd prefer not to claim until day 1, hope your OK with that."
Also firearrow never actually told us the result of the seering soooo
At least mael and toby's posts have good poinst. Your's are just completely illogical.
1. I claimed as soon as I got my seering results, just ask Toby for the time I sent the PM.
2. I secretly seered him red but I'm holding that back from you guys because then you'd know I was a wolf!
QuoteFirearrow's reasons make sense, but not in this game. If there would be a counterclaim for May, then it should have come out night one, and soon after the initial claim. (Unless May is mlf, in which case, we're all screwed) And, it would be quite bad for the wolves to counterclaim in the first place, as it would lead to loss of 1/3 of the wolves' team. It would be counterproductive to wait until day one to claim, and not seer someone else suspicious. If toby got someone to seer Firearrow, then Firearrow is obviously not the seer. Or that seer is a wolf who knew what Firearrow was and didn't have to seer them.
tl;dr: Firearrow is either a wolf, or a seer with poor decision-making skills and the supposed seer is a wolf
Or toby is a wolf.....
Yay, someone who's finally thinking instead of playing HAHA I GOTZ U. Honestly, I don't regret waiting a day, seeing that the chances of the wolves claiming seer was miniscule. Basically, see my earlier response to Toby (first thing I responded to.) The waiting a day itself wasn't bad play for said reasons, what was bad play was that I should of picked up on the fact that "Alliance being set up" meant they already had a seer. If I didn't slip up on that, I probably would of handled it much differently.
QuotePlus, if the seer that is in the alliance now is a wolf, then they know who the masons are and could have easily wolfed one of them without me thinking much of it.
If the masons were wolfed last night, you'd sure be thinking something of it now eh?
QuoteFire Arrow at the moment seems like the only lynch target with any form of concrete evidence going against him. If you think about it, Fire's posts make a lot of sense if you assume that he's a wolf while reading them.
1. My posts don't make any sense that way. Give me one reason why a wolf would wait a day then claim seer. One, I dare you.
2. Concrete evidence? Not really, it's a matter of whose telling the truth. People are acting like the other 'seers' (I doubt it's the wolf seer, probably MASTERRR HYYDRAA) red seering is indisputable and I'm just a confirmed wolf with no case.
Honestly, it's because toby was pissed at me for not claiming to him right away. I'll post his response if you want, but the tone in his accusation post should be enough.
Both me and the other seer are on completely equal footing regarding being trust worthy. Any other evidence against me (lynching inactives, waiting a day) has already been addressed. The idea of using my red seering as evidence is a fallacy - "begging the question" aka using the conclusion of your argument as evidence.QuoteLet's say Fire Arrow is a wolf. The obvious implication of this statement is to lead us towards lynching inactive players, and lynching inactive humans is, of course, exactly what the wolfs want us to do. It's like blindly taking a stab in the dark versus using logic, deduction, suspicion lists, Seer results, etc. to narrow down who would be the most likely candidate. Lynching people at random sort of goes against what TWG is all about in the first place.
That being said, Fire Arrow presents the exact opposite argument.
I'm gonna join the next game, be a wolf, then completely never post in the thread and win while you guys use "logic and deduction" to lynch eachother.
You want to know why I wanted to lynch inactives? After a few days of lynching people for not posting, the wolves are forced to start participating. This is a REALLY awkward transition for them and it makes it really easy to tell them apart. After a few days,you have much more substantial evidence then you would of if you did it your way. Should I also add that you have a higher chance of hitting one early?
Note: I don't think we should lynch inactives at this point, wasn't expecting this much to happen.
QuoteThe wolves certainly benefit from lynching inactive people if all the wolves are active participants in the lynchings. A viable strategy for the wolves would be to lead the charge against the inactives while they're among us the entire time... :o
Name one game where that happened. I'd honestly be impressed with those wolves, because staying low is so reliable on NSM. Think about it, no one lynches inactives and if someone suggests it everyone thinks they're a wolf.
QuoteOne of you will probably tear apart this post and find things that make me look ridiculously suspicious, but it's still what I think.
You have 2 posts. If I look at yours from the perspective of a wolf, it makes a hell of a lot of sense, considering those 2 posts are the safest ones you can possible make (pointing out an obvious fact against the wolves and bandwagonning.)
QuotePersonally I think his reaction to the seering is much stronger evidence against him because there's always a chance that we get the reviver seed. Had I been in his spot I might have agreed to the vote if only to prove to everyone that I was not actually red; proving to the humans that the seer in the alliance was a wolf in disguise :P
Oh that human team could completely lose the game if we get unlucky with the reviver seed? Aww, it's all cool, I'll just be chill about. It's below 50% chance anywho!
Anyways, My idea:Noc, remember when we were talking about being able to validated the seer, and we came to the conclusion that the only way to do it was through cardflip. Well, I thought about it a bit and there's a much safer way to go about this:
The idea of lynching me, and seeing how I flip is reliant on us being able to revive me if we're wrong. If the wolves get the reviver seed, they can just revive the fake, now confirmed wolf, seer after the lynch.
If you guys mess this up, we lose three lynches.The riskless solution?
Leave me out for the wolves tonight. If I come back alive, you have
both a confirmed seer and and a confirmed wolf, and you save todays lynch.
But FireArrow, why is that any better than before? We get the same results but we have a chance of letting a wolf live another day.
The benefits lie in the cost of being wrong:
If I'm a seer and you mislynch me: You lose 3 lynches and a seer.
If I'm a seer and you let me die to the wolves: You lose 2 lynches and a seer.
This does have the issue of me being able to be framed, however, I'd glady vote for myself and "take one for the team" on D2 because.... that's when the reviver seed comes and we can know if the wolves or the humans have it.
Questions? Comments? Concerns?
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 12, 2014, 04:21:55 PMDo we wanna insta this though
lol pls I spent hours on this post atleast read it ;_;
1. My posts don't make any sense that way. Give me one reason why a wolf would wait a day then claim seer. One, I dare you.
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To appear to be human, duh. You could make this exact same argument. Add as many reverse psychologies as you want, it doesn't make a difference.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 04:27:22 PM2. Concrete evidence? Not really, it's a matter of whose telling the truth. People are acting like the other 'seers' (I doubt it's the wolf seer, probably MASTERRR HYYDRAA) red seering is indisputable and I'm just a confirmed wolf with no case.
Hey, at least the other Seer didn't choose to Seer someone who already claimed. It's pretty easy to make up "Toby is blue" without having actually Seered him.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 04:27:22 PMHonestly, it's because toby was pissed at me for not claiming to him right away. I'll post his response if you want, but the tone in his accusation post should be enough. Both me and the other seer are on completely equal footing regarding being trust worthy. Any other evidence against me (lynching inactives, waiting a day) has already been addressed. The idea of using my red seering as evidence is a fallacy - "begging the question" aka using the conclusion of your argument as evidence.
You didn't answer my question: Why didn't you claim human Night 1 and then wait until a counterclaim, and *then* claim Seer. It just makes so much more sense and doesn't make you look hella suspicious like you are right now.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 04:27:22 PMYou have 2 posts. If I look at yours from the perspective of a wolf, it makes a hell of a lot of sense, considering those 2 posts are the safest ones you can possible make (pointing out an obvious fact against the wolves and bandwagonning.)
Heyyyy now, I think I used some fairly decent logic in my previous post! I mean sure I wasn't the first person to accuse you, but I was pretty proud of that! D:
Anyway though, your idea makes a lot of sense, but I'll only buy it if you provide a significantly more suspicious target than yourself to lynch today. And there really isn't one at the moment.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 12, 2014, 04:43:37 PMTo appear to be human, duh. You could make this exact same argument. Add as many reverse psychologies as you want, it doesn't make a difference.
Me claimed a day late has been used as evidence against me, now you're saying I'd do it
Hey, at least the other Seer didn't choose to Seer someone who already claimed. It's pretty easy to make up "Toby is blue" without having actually Seered him.
You didn't answer my question: Why didn't you claim human Night 1 and then wait until a counterclaim, and *then* claim Seer. It just makes so much more sense and doesn't make you look hella suspicious like you are right now.
Heyyyy now, I think I used some fairly decent logic in my previous post! I mean sure I wasn't the first person to accuse you, but I was pretty proud of that! D:
QuoteAnyway though, your idea makes a lot of sense, but I'll only buy it if you provide a significantly more suspicious target than yourself to lynch today. And there really isn't one at the moment.
I know someone whose a HELL of a lot more suspicious than me, however, there's also a risk of him being blue so I won't say the name (nor will I live long enough to find out.) The second person down on my list is you tied with mashi (both for the same reason.)
The only reason to not follow my plan is if me flipping red would give insight into other people based on partner compatibility. I don't have any viable partners, considering my opinions of everyone in this thread are inverse to that of my opinion of them (barring mashi and you.)
damn it posted that before I was gone replying
QuoteHey, at least the other Seer didn't choose to Seer someone who already claimed. It's pretty easy to make up "Toby is blue" without having actually Seered him.
Already said, already addressed.
QuoteYou didn't answer my question: Why didn't you claim human Night 1 and then wait until a counterclaim, and *then* claim Seer. It just makes so much more sense and doesn't make you look hella suspicious like you are right now.
Heyyyy now, I think I used some fairly decent logic in my previous post! I mean sure I wasn't the first person to accuse you, but I was pretty proud of that! D:
I just didn't think to. That would of been the superior option if I was a wolf as well, so I don't see what you're getting at...
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 04:58:26 PMI just didn't think to. That would of been the superior option if I was a wolf as well, so I don't see what you're getting at...
He's right, you know.
Just got back to my computer. I'll be reading through this topic and be in the chat fr a bit.
Temp changing my vote to BDS to avoid insta for now. This is the current list:
FireArrow: 5 (Jon, Toby, Blueflower, NoS, and Maelstrom)
Mashi: 1 (FireArrow)
BDS: 2 (Fank and Myself)
So I just got caught up in the thread, and damn, so many great arguments. I swear I end up changing my mind every new post that comes around, but After those last few, I am against a FireArrow lynch, at least for this phase. Not being a part of the union, I really can't say for sure that Toby and his gang of mysterious "humans" are who they say they are. I sent in my claim, and continue to regret it. I could have just told my enemy my identity, and now am at their mercy. (Toby, you promised!)
Basically here is my perspective from my "in the dark" position: I see a potentially cautious seer getting overshadowed and clinging to life by a thread, at the hands of a supposed "Leader of a group I know nothing about." I don't particularly like either side of this unfair tug-of-war, but I see more of a threat in this "Shadowy Union" than in FireArrow. I'm seeing a man being cornered by wolves, if you will. I could be completely incorrect about this all; that just means that the humans are more thirsty for blood than the wolves are!
I PROPOSE: If you are NOT a part of Toby's Union, PM me and we'll form our own small alliance of the remaining polayers. Not necessarily against Toby, but just to unite those of us who aren't in an alliance. Lets see just how many people are actually in Toby's Union.
Triple post, In the chat.
@FireArrow
QuoteHonestly, I don't regret waiting a day, seeing that the chances of the wolves claiming seer was miniscule.
Actually, the chances of a wolf claiming seer were about 95/100. Everyone in the alliance was very surprised that no one had counter claimed anything.
QuoteLeave me out for the wolves tonight. If I come back alive, you have both a confirmed seer and and a confirmed wolf, and you save todays lynch.
You do realise that you'd be asking for the wolves to help us but wolfing the most suspicious person in the game, even if you are the seer, there is no way in hell the wolves are going to waste a wolfing on you when they can wolf someone else, like the masons. Wolves generally wolf the most human looking person. Also, if you had any sense of how desperate a real human seer would be to stay alive, you might actually suggest a plan like this to me through pm as to not let the wolves know about it, of course you don't care though because you probably discussed this with your own alliance already.
QuoteYou misunderstood my intentions. I never thought you were a wolf, I just wanted to be sure you weren't. Was it wrong of me to be overly cautious, apparently.
If this was the case you would have claimed seer to me then went behind my back and seered me just to make sure. Or something of the sort, my just plain outright wait. This is very pool human play and if you are in fact the real seer I'm not even going to blame it on myself or good play from anyone else that you died.
Quote from: olimarI PROPOSE: If you are NOT a part of Toby's Union, PM me and we'll form our own small alliance of the remaining polayers. Not necessarily against Toby, but just to unite those of us who aren't in an alliance. Lets see just how many people are actually in Toby's Union.
NO ONE DO THIS.
This is just wolf Olimar trying to find out who the specials are by finding out who doesn't claim to him, remember not to claim your role to anyone else but me, don't hint your role to anyon, don't make yourself seem like you're useless or useful keep your role a secret, the wolves will use this stuff against is to figure out who is in the alliance.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 05:52:43 PMI PROPOSE: If you are NOT a part of Toby's Union, PM me and we'll form our own small alliance of the remaining polayers. Not necessarily against Toby, but just to unite those of us who aren't in an alliance. Lets see just how many people are actually in Toby's Union.
Isn't this a sure fire way to get the wolves to know who the specials are. -_-
Yeah basically what Toby said
...Olimar. Alliances like this are... really common in TWG.
Even if they're a bunch of wolves, I seered them blue. I'm pretty certain everyone besides the seer is who they say they are.
That being said, we have nothing to lose, so we could do it for shits and giggles to see if there's any abnormalities.
My grammar is awful when I use my phone but I'm too tired to check over what I type 8)
Going to sleep will see what happens by morning, if anyone insta lynches someone I will sentence thee to having wolf poop tossed at them while their nose is nailed to a wooden fence.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 06:06:52 PM...Olimar. Alliances like this are... really common in TWG.
Even if they're a bunch of wolves, I seered them blue. I'm pretty certain everyone besides the seer is who they say they are.
That being said, we have nothing to lose, so we could do it for shits and giggles to see if there's any abnormalities.
You have the seer and lover masons to lose
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 06:02:58 PMNO ONE DO THIS.
This is just wolf Olimar trying to find out who the specials are by finding out who doesn't claim to him, remember not to claim your role to anyone else but me, don't hint your role to anyon, don't make yourself seem like you're useless or useful keep your role a secret, the wolves will use this stuff against is to figure out who is in the alliance.
LEARN2READ.I was not asking for CLAIMS, I wanted to get a head count on who was actually in your alliance by counting up people who weren't in your alliance.
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 05:59:27 PM@FireArrow
Actually, the chances of a wolf claiming seer were about 95/100. Everyone in the alliance was very surprised that no one had counter claimed anything.
Completely taking out of perspective that it did happen, care to enlighten me? I don't see why a wolf would do that. And there is a counter claim, you're just shitting on it. :/
QuoteYou do realise that you'd be asking for the wolves to help us but wolfing the most suspicious person in the game, even if you are the seer, there is no way in hell the wolves are going to waste a wolfing on you when they can wolf someone else, like the masons. Wolves generally wolf the most human looking person. Also, if you had any sense of how desperate a real human seer would be to stay alive, you might actually suggest a plan like this to me through pm as to not let the wolves know about it, of course you don't care though because you probably discussed this with your own alliance already.
I didn't PM you, because I have no freaking clue about your timezones and last time I spent the whole day phase wondering why the hell I was never invited into the alliance. When nocturn came to me claiming that he knew I was the wolf for some unstated reason he refused to tell me, I figured seer had already been claimed. So I waited for you to PM so we could do handle it WITHOUT THE WOLVES SEEING. But you decided to jump the gun and lynch your seer. Well played.
QuoteIf this was the case you would have claimed seer to me then went behind my back and seered me just to make sure. Or something of the sort, my just plain outright wait. This is very pool human play and if you are in fact the real seer I'm not even going to blame it on myself or good play from anyone else that you died.
You can completely ignore my argument and repeat what you already said, or you can listen to me. Your cherry picking evidence, what I did was equally terrible wolf play. The only thing this proves is that I'm a bad player, not that I'm a wolf.
And stop acting like this is all my fault. You could of easily PMed me and said "yo, seer's already been claimed dawg." It's your bad play just as much as it is mine.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 06:15:53 PMLEARN2READ.
I was not asking for CLAIMS, I wanted to get a head count on who was actually in your alliance by counting up people who weren't in your alliance.
That makes sense because it's not like everyone not in my alliance is a normal human or a wolf pretending to be a normal human or anything
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 06:15:53 PMI was not asking for CLAIMS, I wanted to get a head count on who was actually in your alliance by counting up people who weren't in your alliance.
This is still a really bad and utterly pointless idea...
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 06:10:44 PMYou have the seer and lover masons to lose
I figured the numbers would only be publicly announced if something didn't match up. Of course, this is relying on Olimar, an already suspicious player (unless your NoS :/), being human. However, since you guys wanna lynch me and lose the game, I don't really care anymore. Probably has a higher chance of working then banking on the wolves never getting a revive.
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 06:17:24 PMThat makes sense because it's not like everyone not in my alliance is a normal human or a wolf pretending to be a normal human or anything
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 12, 2014, 06:17:53 PMThis is still a really bad and utterly pointless idea...
Well what am I supposed to do? You three could all be wolves, for all
I know!
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 06:10:06 PMMy grammar is awful when I use my phone but I'm too tired to check over what I type 8)
Going to sleep will see what happens by morning, if anyone insta lynches someone I will sentence thee to having wolf poop tossed at them while their nose is nailed to a wooden fence.
Just read this, phewwww
I thought the phase ended tonight.
Just going to emphasis. If you guys are right, you kill a wolf yay. If you're wrong, you lose 3 lynches a seer and you still have to deal with 3 wolves.
Let that sink in.
Oh god, I started reading over the thread again. Had to stop because of my grammar.
Must. Resist. Urge. To. Edit.
What do you mean we lost 3 lynches?
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 06:41:01 PMWhat do you mean we lost 3 lynches?
1 to seer, 1 to masons being sacked, and 1 to the CC?
Quote from: Toby on December 12, 2014, 06:41:01 PMWhat do you mean we lost 3 lynches?
Do you read my whole giant post? It's a worst case scenario regarding the wolves getting the seed, which is what your risking me by lynching me today. My plan is to try to lessen the risk as much as possible, it just seems like a silly idea because the one whose being persecuted suggested it.
One lynching me, two lynching the confirmed wolf (he'll be revived after the first lynch.)
Not likely, but possible. And in which case, humans are going to have to play a lot of ketchup, because right now it's really obvious whose blue. :/
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 06:20:47 PMWell what am I supposed to do? You three could all be wolves, for all I know!
Toby is definitely a special, so I
highly doubt that they're all wolves. Like Blueflower said, it's not necessary at all.
Ok what the actual fk is wrong with my grammar. I need sleep.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 05:52:43 PMI PROPOSE: If you are NOT a part of Toby's Union, PM me and we'll form our own small alliance of the remaining polayers. Not necessarily against Toby, but just to unite those of us who aren't in an alliance. Lets see just how many people are actually in Toby's Union.
NM don't do this Idea was spur of the moment, didn't consider the magnitude it has for backfiring.
I guess I'll sit down and wait for more posts to read.
Olimar:
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 06:19:09 PMI figured the numbers would only be publicly announced if something didn't match up. Of course, this is relying on Olimar, an already suspicious player (unless your NoS :/), being human. However, since you guys wanna lynch me and lose the game, I don't really care anymore. Probably has a higher chance of working then banking on the wolves never getting a revive.
Money back guarantee!
FA, the game is NOT lost with your lynch :/
The chance of 3 wasted day phases and no seer.
Ok.
currently 12 living...
8-3(+1)
Lynch you as seer... 7-3(+1)
Masons get sacked 5-3 (+1)
Revive... 6-3 (+1)
Lynch other fake seer, 6-2(+1)
Revive... gets to either 6-2 (+1) or 5-3 (+1) which takes us to lylo... I think by then we would have enough info to find a scum buddy. no revive is 5-2(+1) (still lylo in a sense but can have a wolfwith traitor parity... )
A part of me thinks your lynch will give us the most information... maybe not lynching you will save the masons??? though you flipping blue will definetly kill them, we still have the chance to mislynch you.
lets say we mislynch you next phase...
mislynch this phase... 7-3 (+1)
kill/revive 7-3 (+1)
mislynch you 6-3 (+1)
Sack masons, 4-3 (+1) and the wolves have as good as parity UNLESS we get the revive. and you cant really shake a stick at when they have as good as parity
this whole "we are going to lose, is a really bad stalling ploy... especially when anythign but your death now isnt good...
The thing is, if you lynch me tomorrow, we know who gets the reviver seed so it's not a matter of hoping you can revive me if you're wrong. Also, you don't lose today's lynch.
Those are the main benefits I'm looking at, everything else is just extra.
I like how you're calling it the name I gave it :P
I assumed that was the real name because I don't know what it's called XD
You should come to the chat maybe we can figure something else out
sure
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 08:00:51 PMThe thing is, if you lynch me tomorrow, we know who gets the reviver seed so it's not a matter of hoping you can revive me if you're wrong. Also, you don't lose today's lynch.
Those are the main benefits I'm looking at, everything else is just extra.
what is it with losing todays lynch? if things are as bad as they seem, isn't it effectively lylo now???
I
am the
Spoiler
please, claim
to me.
You know there is nothing in that spoiler tag, Nocturne
hang on, back on a computer for a few minutes, reading right now
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 12, 2014, 09:32:56 PMYou know there is nothing in that spoiler tag, Nocturne
Baited
Okay I just skimmed over the thread.
The only option for us right now is to lynch FA. All he is doing right now is clutching at straws and trying to get Toby's alliance to mistrust each other. The actual seer would have nothing to gain from not claiming to Toby on night 1, and that is the main reason why FA is considered a wolf right now. If I turn out to be wrong and FA is actually the seer, then your not being a team player and not claiming when you're supposed to will be what loses the game for us. I don't buy this "I didn't trust Toby" junk, nobody counterclaimed Toby, so there was no reason to not trust him and possibly waste a seer to try and confirm that he is who he says he is.
Then we have Olimar who has been an avid FA supporter since the start of the day phase. After we lynch FA, Olimar should be next on the list due to this. I really hope no one claimed to him, his plan was basically to try and figure out who the specials are.
Everyone should send Toby their top seering suspicions for the night phase so he has something to work with.
yes i should say that i'm not in the alliance to olimar so that he can figure out who the specials are via process of elimation
But anyway, yeah, Firearrow is clearly not the seer. The fact that there's a red seering of him, the fact that he seered Toby despite the fact that he's confirmed to be the brutal human (someone would have counterclaimed him if he wasn't), and the fact that he pushed for an inactive lynch is way too much evidence against him. The jury's still out for whether he's human or wolf, but personially I think he's far from human
Quote from: Jon on December 12, 2014, 10:17:38 PMhis plan was basically to try and figure out who the specials are.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 06:15:53 PMLEARN2READ.
I was not asking for CLAIMS, I wanted to get a head count on who was actually in your alliance by counting up people who weren't in your alliance.
Seriously, guys. I am not a seasoned TWG-er like some of you. I was just trying to find a way to validate Toby's Union by seeing if there were an overwhelming number of people
not a part of it. I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT IT WAS A SHITTY PLAN AND EVEN REVOKED IT AFTER AN HOUR. (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.msg264172#msg264172) Nobody responded, thankfully.
Quote from: Jon on December 12, 2014, 10:17:38 PMThe only option for us right now is to lynch FA. All he is doing right now is clutching at straws and trying to get Toby's alliance to mistrust each other. The actual seer would have nothing to gain from not claiming to Toby on night 1, and that is the main reason why FA is considered a wolf right now. If I turn out to be wrong and FA is actually the seer, then your not being a team player and not claiming when you're supposed to will be what loses the game for us. I don't buy this "I didn't trust Toby" junk, nobody counterclaimed Toby, so there was no reason to not trust him and possibly waste a seer to try and confirm that he is who he says he is.
People: Says something
Me: Responds
People: Says the same thing
I'm done arguing in circles. I've already explained why I claimed the way I did. I'll say this for the third time though, Toby is cherry picking. You guys can ignore the fact that I PMed literally the second I got my seeing result, the fact that the other seer has done nothing to prove his humanity, and even the fact that all these "human would never do that" are just as equally "wolf would never do that."
There isn't a valid reason to lynch me today. Can we PLEASE not do this until D2, where atleast we know if the wolves end up with the revive or not?Since fank wants me to voice my opinion on other lynch candidates, I'm going to say you right now are a much better one than me. You've contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion besides baseless ranting about me (that bs reaction test, and now your just vomiting up a bunch of stuff that's already been discussed) while completely ignoring the issue at hand (the risk involved with lynching me.) Even most of the people who completely supports my lynch understand how bad it is if I flip blue (masons die, we lose lynches, if wolves get revive it may as well be gg.) Despite everything that's been said, as evidence by your first line, you have absolutely no heed for this.
Jon because it's a hell of a lot better vote than Mashi right now. Blueflower I've got my eye on you still.
And fank, the guy who I either though was wolf or blue is NoS. He comes running to me saying he's the traitor and I should tell him all my "wolf partners" then he goes running back to Toby and leads the charge towards my lynch. I have no idea what to think, because every action he does contradicts itself. If he genuinely thinks I'm a wolf, as an
openly claimed traitor he'd be trying to help me. Either he's a wolf working with the fake seer, or he's an idiotic human/PR trying to get MVP by finding out all 3 wolves from me. I want to lynch him so bad, but I don't want to risk him being a mason. I'll probably seer him tonight if I live.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 11:42:49 PMThere isn't a valid reason to lynch me today. Can we PLEASE not do this until D2, where atleast we know if the wolves end up with the revive or not?
[07:50:35] <jon> we seered him red, he never claimed until day 1, he seered toby blue night 1 apparently and he wants to lynch all the inactives on day 1
I'm sorry but no matter what your defenses are, that is too many coincidences for a human to make. Let me put it this way, there is nothing that anyone else has done this far that is any more suspicious than that. How is the other seer supposed to prove their humanity? Come out of hiding and claim to the thread? If something more suspicious comes up with someone else, I would consider lynching someone else, but if we let you live then there's the possibility that there's another wolf to catch the revive, and he can pass it to his allies before he dies.
I realize that you like to play it safe FireArrow but right now we have a huge advantage that we simply can't lose. Maybe it's just my style, but I'd much rather take that risk and possibly end up way ahead of the wolves and I'm sure most other humans do too. Again, I want to avoid the insta to give us more time to think of something but personally I feel like waiting until day 2 is going to set us really far back as I said in the chat, almost to the point where it's not worth waiting- especially because if you are the seer there's a very strong chance we can get you back.
Reviver seed+cardfilp=100% seering for you+Toby knows wolf identity.
Also, it's possible that the people in the alliance don't actually know the identity of the masons (still unlikely, but possible) in which case the masons will probably not be wolfed.
REVIIIIVER SEEEEED
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 10:30:07 PMSeriously, guys. I am not a seasoned TWG-er like some of you. I was just trying to find a way to validate Toby's Union by seeing if there were an overwhelming number of people not a part of it. I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT IT WAS A SHITTY PLAN AND EVEN REVOKED IT AFTER AN HOUR. (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.msg264172#msg264172) Nobody responded, thankfully.
Oh really?
21:13 noc Hey so since you've pretty much given a bucket full of wolf tells, with only the suspicion of FA to keep it down, I'd like to claim traitor and trade a bit of info if you let me know who else is a wolf.
21:15 Olimar12345 Lovely...I make a comment to getr other humans to unite and all I hear from is a mason, fake-seer, and a traitor...
21:15 Olimar12345 worst of all is no one will believe me now...
What I mean was no one responded seriously. I did speak with FA afterwards (Fake seer), Nocturn wouldn't shut up in the chat, thinking I was a wolf (he was the traitor), and someone dangled a false mason claim in front of me as a sort of wolf-bait I am assuming. I was saying that the plan didn't work. That part is true.
Btw, if freaking everyone knows that NoS is the traitor, why wasn't he an option for lynching? I mean, now FA is the way to go, but damn NoS would have made a safe day 1 lynch.
Even if nocturne is the traitor, which by the way he is going around things, questioning the role of the traitor, talking about the traitor a lot, being suspicious and stuff, I presume he is; we don't want the traitor dead, he counts towards the number of humans, we just don't trust him, neglect his suspicions and use him as a player that's a human that has no good ideas.
Also, olimar, pm me the name of the 'mason' that claimed to you
You should know, seeing as how you sent them to me.
OKAY, I'M HERE NOW, TIME TO READ THE GAME.
Quote from: fank009 on December 10, 2014, 12:51:01 PMJon, you're an idiot.
Also Chat link?
Slight Human lean for the emotional reaction to Jon's claim.
Quote from: Yugi on December 10, 2014, 10:01:12 PMJon makes dumb jokes like this every game, don't look at it too hard.
Also, just so you know, I'm not going to be very active over the next few days, because of internet problems. I don't think I /need/ to be replaced but I'll be fine if I am.
It seemed that the primary motive for posting was to explain future inactivity due to extenuating circumstances, so the additional explanation for Jon's behaviour seems Human to me, I feel a Wolf wouldn't be as likely to be thinking of anything beyond the future absence.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:09:20 PMYay day 1.
First thoughts, Jon is on the bottom of my list because a wolf would never do something that rash on night 1.
Blueflower I'm slightly suspicious of because he's stating something obviously true, however, looks very anti-wolf to say (does that make sense?)
Fank is fank, nothing to say here.
Yugi and Olimar seem to be avoiding important discussion, then again, only day 1.
Toby, at this point, is most definitely who he says he is.
With that being said, can we lynch an inactive please. NSM TWG is so predictable, the wolves just play inactive until later because everyone just rush lynches suspicious (almost always human) players.
I've given the courtesy of showing you all of FireArrow's previous posts in the thread before this one.
"... But Mashi, you didn't even quote any posts?"
Yes, because there
weren't any. FireArrow is claiming that we should lynch inactives when that was literally his first post in the thread.
Not to mention that the logic is flawed anyway. Wolves win when Humans are inactive. If Wolves are ever inactive, it's because the Humans are too. You'll be hard pressed to possibly find a game where Humans lost when they were active and the Wolves weren't.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 11, 2014, 05:49:48 PMNocturne
For *reasons.*
If you want to know, ask Toby.
Odd post. Doubt a Wolf would purposely draw attention to himself with a vague post like this.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:57:06 PMI'm not gonna band wagon over "reasons." NoS atleast is trying to be active (chat room.)
Of course, maybe toby's onto something, but he's gonna have to share why.
Immediate defence of NocturneOfShadow.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 11, 2014, 06:48:18 PMA lot of early votes... from my experience any early votes usually end up changing so no point in worrying about them. After all we've got until saturday night to figure something out so I don't see any need to rush a vote. I had a pretty long chat with mael and decided he's probably human this game, but with mael you can never tell because he always acts like a wolf :P
Alright toby you probably have the best idea as to whom should be killed this day phase? I do like FireArrow's idea though, also with the reviver seed coming tomorrow night we could theoretically have a free miss today because of the cardflip. Essentially we'd be getting a public seering at the possible cost of a lynch.Solid thoughts, I'm with you on the blueflower suspicion, it's not that uncommon for a wolf to throw out some antiwolf propaganda as it were.
Careful with fank being fank, but I've played with him enough that I should be able to get a tell on him in a couple phases (hopefully).
All I know with jon is that he's either a wolf or a human because of his llf game :P (good luck jon)
Also I totally derped and forgot that it's impossible to claim miller (which REALLY screwed up my plans lol just ask mael) so if someone seers red should we just lynch em since 1/4 chance isn't very good?
Loose thoughts:
Mashi's only realistically posted once.
Very loose thoughts:
Wolves wolf a wolf for the humans to waste reviver seed?(Not likely at all but throwing it out there because it's possible)
Mindmelding with FireArrow.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 07:04:18 PMThat's exactly what I'm trying to do, because I believe the active people are human.
What's with it with you people and thinking inactives are innocent.
WE DON'T HAVE TELLS ON INACTIVES. That's exactly why a wolf would be inactive, they're playing on the this whole innocent until proven guilty mentality humans have, by the time were done lynching all the active wolf-looking humans, we lose.
Another way to put it:
Lynching actives:
Best case: We lynch a wolf.
Worst case: We lynch a useful human.
Lynching inactives:
Best case: We lynch a wolf.
Worst case: We lynch a useless human (PRs will be impossible to mislynch due to the alliance.)
Flawed prompt, it's practically impossible to properly gauge activity based on Night 1 and early Day 1. There's little to go off of and many Players become more active as the game continues. Despite his weak reasoning, FireArrow continues to push a lynch on the hypothetical inactives, whom he fails to name until prompted to do so.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 12, 2014, 06:34:07 AMOh, that lol. That was just what could have been a REALLY bad mistake on my part. I said if I had a red role I would have claimed miller lol because I thought the miller got a pm, Maelstrom told me otherwise
Maybe I said it in a really weird way, I haven't had much sleep in the last couple days haha but maybe the reason you can't pull info from it is because there is no info in it?? ;)
You know when you're playing chess and you like make up possible moves for the next 3 turns? Same way, except when I was planning the wolves' moves I thought it was possible that the regular wolf would claim as miller and seer wolf would claim seer. No joke I would have claimed miller to toby lol. So I'm glad I'm not a wolf because this game woulda been really lame for me :P
Current leans
Toby human(duh)
Me human(duh)
tst human (see earlier way out there idea in the thread that bds commented on)
Maelstrom human
Olimar human
FireArrow human(way to blow it fank >:( )
Jon looks more humanish than wolfish but not as human as the others
blueflower suspicious
fank suspicious
mashi ???
Yugi ???
MLF ???
And right now I think it may be possible for BDS to be a wolf from what I've seen him play, but I'll withhold judgement on that just yet.
For now Mashi though
have you tried to pm him about it at all :P usually those work though time zones xD
darn it woman stop posting stuff I'm trying to get a decent thought out and y'all keep interrupting.
If this is distancing from FireArrow, NocturneOfShadow is doing a good job. Feeling slightly less confident about an association between him and FireArrow.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 12, 2014, 07:09:44 AMI disagree with maels speedy veiled reason vote aswell. I mean, I appreciate you helping with that plan I told you about, but I'd like to hear toby's and maels reason for lynching you.
You know what, what the hell, Mashi, I can always change it later.
There's the spontaneous vote for me despite literally just having posted that we shouldn't post with haste.
Just read the logs Toby posted, NocturneOfShadow as Traitor makes sense.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 08:23:55 AMI'm kind of questioning the validity of your seer, Toby. It seems like they gained access to the union just because they got there first (FA's argument). Saying that them not wolfing a miller doesn't justify them right away. Doing something like that would be an obvious wolf gift away imo. No wolf in their right mind would jeprodize a seer position that early in the game for a single miller target.
Though, this is all speculation. Maybe you do have the correct seer and you have spotted a potential wolf day 1.
lol this post
Trying to spread doubt in the alliance without seeming like he is, gj!!!
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 12:58:00 PMOff topic, but I just received this fucking lovely PM from MLF:
Anyone else want to join in?
Why was mariolegofan PMing you? Is it because he's your Wolf Partner???
NocturneOfShadow's vote on Olimar12345 is cool. Maybe he's not the Traitor. Doesn't matter too significantly though, as I don't think NocturneOfShadow is Wolf.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 02:01:06 PMSo a current vote count should look something like this:
FireArrow: 4 (Jon, Toby, Blueflower, and Myself)
NoS: 2 (Maelstrom and Fank)
Mashi: 1 (FireArrow)
Olimar: 1 (NoS)
Personally, I would be willing to change my vote to someone better. FA isn't a bullet-proof candidate tbh.
LOOOOOOOOOL
"firearrow isn't a bullet-proof candidate"
yet you voted for him like 3 posts ago here:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 01:06:46 PMThis detail is of great importance, and the reason for my vote. FireArrow.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 05:52:43 PMSo I just got caught up in the thread, and damn, so many great arguments. I swear I end up changing my mind every new post that comes around, but After those last few, I am against a FireArrow lynch, at least for this phase. Not being a part of the union, I really can't say for sure that Toby and his gang of mysterious "humans" are who they say they are. I sent in my claim, and continue to regret it. I could have just told my enemy my identity, and now am at their mercy. (Toby, you promised!)
Basically here is my perspective from my "in the dark" position: I see a potentially cautious seer getting overshadowed and clinging to life by a thread, at the hands of a supposed "Leader of a group I know nothing about." I don't particularly like either side of this unfair tug-of-war, but I see more of a threat in this "Shadowy Union" than in FireArrow. I'm seeing a man being cornered by wolves, if you will. I could be completely incorrect about this all; that just means that the humans are more thirsty for blood than the wolves are!
I PROPOSE: If you are NOT a part of Toby's Union, PM me and we'll form our own small alliance of the remaining polayers. Not necessarily against Toby, but just to unite those of us who aren't in an alliance. Lets see just how many people are actually in Toby's Union.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL WHAT IS THIS
Opting for FireArrow - Olimar12345 - mariolegofan as Wolves.
FireArrow is almost certainly a Wolf. In addition to it making no sense to claim to an uncounterclaimed Role, a claimed Seer just so happened to seer a counterclaimed Seer Red without prompting? It's also noteworthy that there's no rational reason for the real Seer to make up a seering, since if he's discovered to be wrong, his ploy ends. Literally the only way for NocturneOfShadow to be Human at this point is if he's Miller. But seeing as he's counterclaimed Seer, he's brought his own downfall.
We're approaching Insta, so I'll hold off on voting for now, but FireArrow should most certainly be our lynch for today.
QuoteFireArrow is almost certainly a Wolf. In addition to it making no sense to claim to an uncounterclaimed Role, a claimed Seer just so happened to seer a counterclaimed Seer Red without prompting? It's also noteworthy that there's no rational reason for the real Seer to make up a seering, since if he's discovered to be wrong, his ploy ends. Literally the only way for NocturneOfShadow to be Human at this point is if he's Miller. But seeing as he's counterclaimed Seer, he's brought his own downfall.
Do you mean FireArrow? Because I didn't claim seer lol
Mashi for seer 2014
Yeah, hahaha, sorry, it's hard posting while eating Tostitos!!!
Also, it's generally a not good idea to publicly discuss whom you think are Specials, by the way!!!
Not that I need any seerings since I got these Wolves down already. B)
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 12:58:00 PMOff topic, but I just received this fucking lovely PM from MLF:
Anyone else want to join in?
Btw, this was a hoax.....pretty risky move on my part though....
Quote from: mariolegofan on December 13, 2014, 09:51:08 AMBtw, this was a hoax.....pretty risky move on my part though....
It was a hoax meaning... you're going to be active, or not?
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 13, 2014, 09:51:49 AMIt was a hoax meaning... you're going to be active, or not?
Um...yeah I'll be active.
Quote from: mariolegofan on December 13, 2014, 09:55:56 AMUm...yeah I'll be active.
In that case, you should claim your role to Toby if you haven't already.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 13, 2014, 09:57:37 AMIn that case, you should claim your role to Toby if you haven't already.
Yes, I have. I'll just I'm pretty deep in already and have been active this whole time.....quietly :P
Quote from: mariolegofan on December 13, 2014, 09:58:46 AMYes, I have. I'll just I'm pretty deep in already and have been active this whole time.....quietly :P
Tip: That's something you don't really want to say. I know from experience lol
Quote from: Mashi link=topic=6573.msg264255#msg264255 date=1418490268
Yes, because therei]weren't any[/i]. FireArrow is claiming that we should lynch inactives when that was literally his first post in the thread.
ok
QuoteNot to mention that the logic is flawed anyway. Wolves win when Humans are inactive. If Wolves are ever inactive, it's because the Humans are too. You'll be hard pressed to possibly find a game where Humans lost when they were active and the Wolves weren't.
There were inactive humans, my goal was to force them and the wolves most likely hiding among them, to be active. I've stated this, and I fail to see why it's flawed logic.
QuoteFlawed prompt, it's practically impossible to properly gauge activity based on Night 1 and early Day 1. There's little to go off of and many Players become more active as the game continues. Despite his weak reasoning, FireArrow continues to push a lynch on the hypothetical inactives, whom he fails to name until prompted to do so.
Those are usually wolves. Game plan usually consists of... exactly that.
QuoteThere's the spontaneous vote for me despite literally just having posted that we shouldn't post with haste.
Because as I said, I could change it. Obviously humans would never make a hasty vote *cough* *cough*
QuoteLOOOOOOOOOL
"firearrow isn't a bullet-proof candidate"
yet you voted for him like 3 posts ago here:
LOLOLOLOLOLOL WHAT IS THIS
Maybe Olimar and I are just bad players, because I don't see what you find so repulsive about tentative votes.
QuoteOpting for FireArrow - Olimar12345 - mariolegofan as Wolves.
I can see myself as Olimar's parter, but MLF seems kinda random. You should go back and read what those PMs were.
QuoteFireArrow is almost certainly a Wolf. In addition to it making no sense to claim to an uncounterclaimed Role, a claimed Seer just so happened to seer a counterclaimed Seer Red without prompting? It's also noteworthy that there's no rational reason for the real Seer to make up a seering, since if he's discovered to be wrong, his ploy ends. Literally the only way for NocturneOfShadow to be Human at this point is if he's Miller. But seeing as he's counterclaimed Seer, he's brought his own downfall.
Which makes more sense:
1) A human wanted to play overly safe and seer Toby before claiming.
2) A wolf waited a day for the role to already be claimed before claiming, thus bringing is own downfall.
Obviously I can't be a stupid human, I must be an exponentially more stupid wolf! /logic of this thread
I'm really tempted to change my vote to you, while Jon's behavior is... really wolfy. I'm thinking that you're the fake seer, but if I changed my vote...
wow such ambivalence
wow such wolf
:/
Quote from: FireArrow link=topic=6573.msg264272#msg264272I can see myself as Olimar's parter
Is this an admission of guilt
It's hypocritical to say "Let's lynch inactives!" when you literally haven't posted at all in the thread prior. Knowing you yourself are an active, if you were Human, you would be forced to concede that there must be Human inactives among all the inactives.
The reason your logic is flawed is that it's absolutely incorrect to believes that Wolves win from being inactive. The only time you will ever see the Wolves win when they're inactive is when the Humans are at least equally inactive. You keep making claims that Wolves are generally inactive on NSM, but that's untrue.
Having a poor justification for making a hasty vote doesn't change that it's a hasty vote. I can vote for Toby right now and change it later, but it would still be a silly thing to do, considering that he's confirmed Brutal Human.
Olimar12345's vote on you is hypocritical because I suspect he's trying to look Human by voting for you, but yet still trying to get the lynch off of you because you're Partners. It's a desperation Wolf tactic.
The second possibility makes more sense than the first, but you're making it a fallacy of false dilemma and adding your own bias to both.
FireArrow does make a fair point that if he is a Wolf, he has played a poor game. So exceptionally poor, in fact, that I'm starting to rethink my position on him. But I can't really see why a false claiming Wolf or Traitor would decide to make a Red seering on Night 1. It would really only make sense coming from a Traitor that wanted to attempt to waste two lynches. That FireArrow's seering result is utterly useless doesn't help his case either.
Even if FireArrow does end up being Seer, his flip this Phase is necessary, I feel. We can't keep him alive and be paranoid for the rest of the game. The best alternative I can think of would be to lynch whom we suspect to be his Partners (for me, Olimar12345 and mariolegofan) and see their flips, but that's a roundabout and risky manner of verifying FireArrow's illegitimacy.
Quote from: Jon on December 13, 2014, 12:54:56 PMIs this an admission of guilt
It's an admission of solid logic, assuming I'm a wolf.
I find it funny how you can completely ignore my accusation of you and the holes in the argument, then swoop down as if me being a wolf is fact. Sounds like a wolf riding the band wagon, why do that hard work of trying to make a good argument when you've already got this in the bag? (Then again, everyone's been making shitty arguments and ignoring my responses.)
I'm gonna try this again:
What makes me less trustworthy than this other seer? Don't answer in a way I've already responded to (i.e. you claimed day 1, you want to lynch inactives, etc.) If those are you're only pieces of evidence, then you're gonna have to *gasps* read what I posted and come up with a counterargument. If you can't, then your argument is wrong. If you still vote for me, then your just stupid.
Mashi, why is MLF suspicious other than inactive?
FA, why are you suspicious? Red seering, that is all. Your flip is now necesarry to (IMO) move the game forward and develop some leans from the flip (although it looks set in stone, its that time where I overcomplicate things and throw a wrench in simplicity
Jon, why you tunnel so much?
Quote from: Mashi on December 13, 2014, 01:03:03 PMIt's hypocritical to say "Let's lynch inactives!" when you literally haven't posted at all in the thread prior. Knowing you yourself are an active, if you were Human, you would be forced to concede that there must be Human inactives among all the inactives.
The reason your logic is flawed is that it's absolutely incorrect to believes that Wolves win from being inactive. The only time you will ever see the Wolves win when they're inactive is when the Humans are at least equally inactive. You keep making claims that Wolves are generally inactive on NSM, but that's untrue.
Let me summarize the games I've played on NSM:
Game of Wolves: This is where most of my reasoning comes from. The whole stuff with fank, olimar, me, liggy etc. was honestly really exciting and fun. When the humans just magically die from some stupid winter, I go to post game to see that the wolves were just the moderately inactive people staying out of the drama. I was pissed because here I was having a fun game, but a fun useless game.
Game of Doors (don't remember the name): I was a wolf and won by manipulating fank (because he taught me what he looks for in tells, I just gave him everything he was looking for.) I wasn't particularly active, I just got him to trust me then rode the waves home (I think you were my partner in this aswell.
That's it. Is my sample size poor? Yes. But from what I've seen, wolves win by being inactive and staying innocuous, then becoming active later to push lynches against for suspicious, active players.
QuoteHaving a poor justification for making a hasty vote doesn't change that it's a hasty vote. I can vote for Toby right now and change it later, but it would still be a silly thing to do, considering that he's confirmed Brutal Human.
Olimar12345's vote on you is hypocritical because I suspect he's trying to look Human by voting for you, but yet still trying to get the lynch off of you because you're Partners. It's a desperation Wolf tactic.
But how does a hasty vote make me a wolf? Don't wolves usually avoid voting to early? They inactively try to look like they're active (if that makes sense) then they join the bandwaggon.
QuoteThe second possibility makes more sense than the first, but you're making it a fallacy of false dilemma and adding your own bias to both.
What's the dilemma isn't false, we're either partners or not. If you mean something else, please clarify.
Honestly, I don't care what Olimar does, or if you vote him or not. He's not playing like a wolf or a human, he's playing like he has no idea what he's doing. He supports me, decides that I'm a wolf, supports me again, than finally decides I'm a wolf. He does all of that without ever responding directly, all the while coming up with the most pointless plan I've ever seen. He's like the definition of what I hate about this game right now (along with Jon, oh god.)
QuoteFireArrow does make a fair point that if he is a Wolf, he has played a poor game. So exceptionally poor, in fact, that I'm starting to rethink my position on him. But I can't really see why a false claiming Wolf or Traitor would decide to make a Red seering on Night 1. It would really only make sense coming from a Traitor that wanted to attempt to waste two lynches. That FireArrow's seering result is utterly useless doesn't help his case either.
I LOVE YOU MASHI
you actually read me posts ;_;
In response to your second point, considering toby is playing hero and never once PMed me, I have absolutely no idea what's going on through seer 2's head. Could he be a traitor, idk. Noc being the traitor does have a few inconsistencies, so I suppose that option is entirely possible. Maybe he's just a wolf that made a bad decision, that logic seems to be a enough for the whole thread to vote me, why not him?
QuoteEven if FireArrow does end up being Seer, his flip this Phase is necessary, I feel. We can't keep him alive and be paranoid for the rest of the game. The best alternative I can think of would be to lynch whom we suspect to be his Partners (for me, Olimar12345 and mariolegofan) and see their flips, but that's a roundabout and risky manner of verifying FireArrow's illegitimacy.
We could combine it with my plan (lynch me day 2) but the insight we get from that is kinda.... meh, considering that there's a green wolf.
My plan: Let me live the night, see what the wolves do. Even if they try to frame me, we know if we get the REVVIVVEEERRR SEEEEDD or not tomorrow, so I'm perfectly cool with outing myself day 2 so you guys can revive me. If the wolves get it, well, we can talk about it then. If we lynch me today for the card flip, we take a big risk that can be avoided.
The question is who else can we lynch today other than me. This post makes me think your human, because a wolf would
never let up on lynching. In my head, this clears both you and mael (not Olimar for obvious reasons.)
Shit, I just realized how much bigger our alliance would be if I could convince you guys I'm the seer, but I digress.Possibilities:
MLF: Sketchy af (I've been active only behind the scenes ;;;]]]]), could give us a bit of insight on me.
Olimar: Um, senseless af. He's like a chicken with his head cut off. I'm neutral on this, but people seem to support it. Could also give insight on me.
Jon: Burn it with fire. I've already expressed my reasons.
Blueflower: Same with jon, but to a lesser extent.
NoS: He claims to be traitor, yet he obviously supports humans. Toby makes a case against him, then later defends him.
Yugi/BDS: Lynch inactives
Quote from: fank009 on December 13, 2014, 01:29:39 PMMashi, why is MLF suspicious other than inactive?
FA, why are you suspicious? Red seering, that is all. Your flip is now necesarry to (IMO) move the game forward and develop some leans from the flip (although it looks set in stone, its that time where I overcomplicate things and throw a wrench in simplicity
Jon, why you tunnel so much?
MLF is suspicious because he's active outside the thread and chat.
I agree that my flip is necessary, but not on day 1.
We can get the same exact results by waiting a day without the risk. Anyways, using red seering is begging the question fallacy. I'm just as suspicious as the legitimacy of the other seer, which the only difference between us is I claimed late. Toby just wants to trust the other seer more because the other seer "trusts" him more for claiming first. There is literally no other reason, and my whole lynch is balancing on this failure of logic.
If we wait a day, then it's one more wolf to catch the revive seed. That's why you have to die this phase, and that's why I think you are fighting tooth and nail to survive one more phase. You keep saying that the seer has done nothing to prove their humanity, what would you suggest they do to prove it?
Quote from: Jon on December 13, 2014, 02:14:08 PMIf we wait a day, then it's one more wolf to catch the revive seed. That's why you have to die this phase, and that's why I think you are fighting tooth and nail to survive one more phase. You keep saying that the seer has done nothing to prove their humanity, what would you suggest they do to prove it?
That makes no sense. If I get the revive, what would I do with it? I can't give it to anyone, and I no wolves would be dead for me to revive.
And the other seer can't do anything to prove it, what I'm trying to say is, he can't prove it anymore than I can (actually, I can atleast prove it by leaving myself as wolf bait) yet you trust him more than me.
Olimar12345 posted a PM from mariolegofan (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.msg264095#msg264095) a while ago, fank009. The only game-related reason I can see mariolegofan deciding to PM OLimar12345 over the Host is if they're Masons or if they're Wolf Partners. And seeing as I'm suspicious of Olimar12345, I can cross Masons off the list.
FireArrow, no one buys your counterarguments. You'll need to come up with new ones, as there's nothing for us to refute. You're complaining that no one is believing you, which (more or less) either means that everyone besides you is being irrational or you're being irrational. If you truly are the Seer, own up that you made mistakes instead of castigating everyone for not listening to you. If you are the Seer, claiming to Toby at the last minute was an absolutely terrible move on your part. No one's going to hold a vendetta against you or anything similar, but don't act as if your paranoia was justified considering he was uncounterclaimed. Improbable things can occur in TWG (is it possible that Toby's not the Brutal Human? Yes. But extraordinarily unlikely), but if you worry about every single improbable event, you won't be successful in catching Wolves in the deluge of possibilities. Just look at the mess caused right now for an example.
If it makes you feel any better, if you are the Seer and we end up lynching you, I'm going to feel like a total idiot for not trusting my doubt!!!
I'll go over why I suspect you briefly:
- You suggested lynching inactives, which is a bad idea Day 1, as successful Wolves are often active and a lynch on an inactive provides us with no information. Especially in a cardflip game where the flip allows us to build associations. I would be on your case regardless of the seering because of this.
- In addition to the previous point, it was your very first post in the thread that was a suggestion to lynch inactives, which was hypocritical, since you would be considered inactive yourself. Not to mention that the game just started, so it's difficult to gauge potential activity at the start of Day 1.
- You were seered Red by the unknown Seer claimer. If that Seer claimer is false claiming, then he is expecting to be killed after you flip (if you're not Miller, which is impossible now that you've hard claimed Seer). The only reason I would expect a false claim Seer to fake a Red seering is if that person was Traitor and trying to waste two lynches (one on the falsely seered target, one on the Traitor). But even that doesn't seem too likely because the Traitor puts his false seering target at the risk of being an actual Wolf.
- In contrast, your seering is unhelpful and weak. Toby was uncounterclaimed, so why would anyone not expect him to come back as Blue?
- Not really anything you can help, but Olimar12345 has been making poor plays (particularly his plan to figure out who wasn't in the alliance) and that he seems to be ambivalent in regard to trusting you but 'okay' with placing a vote on you leads to me to suspect you through guilt by association.
- Likewise, seeing as Toby told the Seer who the Masons were and that the Masons are still alive is a slight lean in the unknown Seer claim's favour. Nothing major, but it helps.
Ninja'd: I'll respond to your points.
That your sample size is poor is sufficient reason enough to acknowledge that your claim that Wolves win when they're inactive is one that has little statistical merit.
Game of Wolves was a special case because the Humans played rather poorly. People became so distracted with lynching Liggy that it resulted in my lynch (which was a very terrible one, by the way!!!) that they overlooked everyone else in the game.
I don't about you in Game of Doors, but I was PMing people left in right that game. That was how I duped fank009.
Whether a Wolf makes a hasty vote is dependent on the Player. However, in general, it's generally the case that Wolves will latch onto a vote if they feel they can garner traction for it. Conversely, they may vote for a Partner if they want to distance themselves and avoid being found suspicious by association. That's what I suspect was happening with the votes.
By false dilemma, I mean you're stating two possibilities as if they're the only ones. It was poor wording on my part, but I'm criticising that you're stating them with your own biases rather than stating them more objectively.
I might be open to lynching someone else over you if you can provide for a solid push in someone else's direction. That you're open to lynching Olimar12345 and mariolegofan is keeping me at bay.
You make that point of doors and me being manipulated... yep that's why I don't really trust you.
Here's the thing, you arguing to stay another day is really scummy... feels like a save me... and as I stated, you as a human s bad if we save you for one more day.
Maybe Toby trusts the other seer more... who knows, but I am sure he has his reasons... (I think he did state, need to check could be mistaken though)
Fmpov you are currently useless as a seer FA, you won't get another scan in (unless miracle happens). So the best part you can play is voting as a confirmed human.
(Fmpov you've played badly as a wolf and human)
Also. You are asking us to practically seer hunt FA.... you know how dangerous that is?
Quote from: Mashi on December 13, 2014, 02:21:58 PMFireArrow, no one buys your counterarguments. You'll need to come up with new ones, as there's nothing for us to refute. You're complaining that no one is believing you, which (more or less) either means that everyone besides you is being irrational or you're being irrational. If you truly are the Seer, own up that you made mistakes instead of castigating everyone for not listening to you. If you are the Seer, claiming to Toby at the last minute was an absolutely terrible move on your part. No one's going to hold a vendetta against you or anything similar, but don't act as if your paranoia was justified considering he was uncounterclaimed. Improbable things can occur in TWG (is it possible that Toby's not the Brutal Human? Yes. But extraordinarily unlikely), but if you worry about every single improbable event, you won't be successful in catching Wolves in the deluge of possibilities. Just look at the mess caused right now for an example.
If it makes you feel any better, if you are the Seer and we end up lynching you, I'm going to feel like a total idiot for not trusting my doubt!!!
That's exactly it. Yes, I admit I made a mistake, but people are assuming that because I made this mistake, it must mean I'm the one who can't be trusted. My counterargument isn't so much a counter argument as it is pointing out how wrong that reasoning is, yet people ignore it.
QuoteI'll go over why I suspect you briefly:
- You suggested lynching inactives, which is a bad idea Day 1, as successful Wolves are often active and a lynch on an inactive provides us with no information. Especially in a cardflip game where the flip allows us to build associations. I would be on your case regardless of the seering because of this.
From all the games I've played (both NSM and not), this has been the case. If that has little statistical merit, I don't know what to say. This is proving that I'm a bad player, not that I'm a wolf. If I knew that lynching inactives was a bad idea (still not convinced), wouldn't I, as a wolf, avoid posting it as well?
Quote- In addition to the previous point, it was your very first post in the thread that was a suggestion to lynch inactives, which was hypocritical, since you would be considered inactive yourself. Not to mention that the game just started, so it's difficult to gauge potential activity at the start of Day 1.
Fair point. Inactivity night 1 is normal for me, because there's nothing to really base an opinion off of. My plan was to get the inactives to become active and watch the wolves awkwardly transition, not to go about lynching people who didn't post night 1 (though we could start with that as incentive to get people rolling.) This is why I didn't list off names of inactive people in my first post.
Quote- You were seered Red by the unknown Seer claimer. If that Seer claimer is false claiming, then he is expecting to be killed after you flip (if you're not Miller, which is impossible now that you've hard claimed Seer). The only reason I would expect a false claim Seer to fake a Red seering is if that person was Traitor and trying to waste two lynches (one on the falsely seered target, one on the Traitor). But even that doesn't seem too likely because the Traitor puts his false seering target at the risk of being an actual Wolf.
You have to remember that Toby is the one who asked me for me to be seered, and we don't know what information he told him. If Toby said "FireArrow refuses to claim until day 1, seer that poop" then the fake seer could of easily inferred that I was the seer (since he's a wolf, he knows I'm not, and the only human role who would have a reason to do that is the seer.) If he just said "Seer that poop FireArrow" than either he's a traitor (as you said) or he's a wolf with poor decision making (enough reason to suspect me, why not him.)
Quote- In contrast, your seering is unhelpful and weak. Toby was uncounterclaimed, so why would anyone not expect him to come back as Blue?
The wolves have a seer as well. Toby is a bad seering for both teams, but atleast it makes a little bit of sense from a human seer prespective.
Quote- Not really anything you can help, but Olimar12345 has been making poor plays (particularly his plan to figure out who wasn't in the alliance) and that he seems to be ambivalent in regard to trusting you but 'okay' with placing a vote on you leads to me to suspect you through guilt by association.
Guilt by association is a fallacy.
Quote- Likewise, seeing as Toby told the Seer who the Masons were and that the Masons are still alive is a slight lean in the unknown Seer claim's favour. Nothing major, but it helps.
If he killed masons night one, him calling me red would all be for naught..
QuoteWhether a Wolf makes a hasty vote is dependent on the Player. However, in general, it's generally the case that Wolves will latch onto a vote if they feel they can garner traction for it. Conversely, they may vote for a Partner if they want to distance themselves and avoid being found suspicious by association. That's what I suspect was happening with the votes.
But my hasty vote was on you, unless your talking about olimar trying to distance from me (in which case, he's doing a shitty job.)
QuoteBy false dilemma, I mean you're stating two possibilities as if they're the only ones. It was poor wording on my part, but I'm criticising that you're stating them with your own biases rather than stating them more objectively.
I'm sorry, I lost this train of thought, I don't even remember what you were responding to. If it's important to your opinion of me, can you please do a recap on it?
QuoteI might be open to lynching someone else over you if you can provide for a solid push in someone else's direction. That you're open to lynching Olimar12345 and mariolegofan is keeping me at bay.
It's day one, the only other person that has as much evidence against them as me is the other seer. However, from an unbiased perspective it's not a good idea to reveal both seers, so I wouldn't suggest we do that.
I still think Jon is the best target, tunnel vision on me the entire game without ever making any real points. Olimar and MLF could work too, but the evidence against them is kinda hit or miss (given their lack of experience.) Blueflower is a lesser Jon to me, and no one else is suspicious of him, so that's off the list I guess. We could go for Noc, but that's risky (I'm not convinced he's a traitor, he's either a mason or a wolf.)
Quote from: fank009 on December 13, 2014, 02:25:27 PMYou make that point of doors and me being manipulated... yep that's why I don't really trust you.
Here's the thing, you arguing to stay another day is really scummy... feels like a save me... and as I stated, you as a human s bad if we save you for one more day.
Maybe Toby trusts the other seer more... who knows, but I am sure he has his reasons... (I think he did state, need to check could be mistaken though)
Fmpov you are currently useless as a seer FA, you won't get another scan in (unless miracle happens). So the best part you can play is voting as a confirmed human.
(Fmpov you've played badly as a wolf and human)
Also. You are asking us to practically seer hunt FA.... you know how dangerous that is?
Look, it's more risky lynching me today than tomorrow due to the timing of the revive. You can't deny that, it's simply a fact (and Jon's point of me trying to get the revive is based on a misunderstanding of the game.)
And what is seer hunt? If I get wolfed, we have a confirmed wolf that we didn't have to waste a lynch to get. If I don't get wolfed, lynching me is much less risky because we know where the revive falls. I fail to see what's dangerous about that.
QuoteGame of Doors (don't remember the name): I was a wolf and won by manipulating fank (because he taught me what he looks for in tells, I just gave him everything he was looking for.) I wasn't particularly active, I just got him to trust me then rode the waves home (I think you were my partner in this aswell.
Well half the game was inactive then so that's not an excuse.
I'll be idleing in chat all day while I study for finals.
Okay, why do we trust the other seer over you? Because you have made multiple mistakes and they have made none. If you were in our position, who would you believe? The guy who has nothing to defend because he has done nothing wrong, or the guy who is constantly defending himself from accusations? The accusations against you for day 1 are pretty strong, as Mashi said, it will be hard to avoid your lynch because nobody else has done anything remotely as suspicious.
If you receive the revive in the upcoming night phase, you don't need to send it or use it, just having it and dying with it will hurt the humans bad enough. Why else would you be campaigning so hard for one more day? the wolf:human role ratio in this game is pretty high, we can't afford to make mislynches if we can help it.
Quote from: Jon on December 13, 2014, 03:26:39 PMOkay, why do we trust the other seer over you? Because you have made multiple mistakes and they have made none. If you were in our position, who would you believe? The guy who has nothing to defend because he has done nothing wrong, or the guy who is constantly defending himself from accusations? The accusations against you for day 1 are pretty strong, as Mashi said, it will be hard to avoid your lynch because nobody else has done anything remotely as suspicious.
If you receive the revive in the upcoming night phase, you don't need to send it or use it, just having it and dying with it will hurt the humans bad enough. Why else would you be campaigning so hard for one more day? the wolf:human role ratio in this game is pretty high, we can't afford to make mislynches if we can help it.
Non-sequitur and Begging the question. People suspecting me/making mistakes =/= wolf.
Also I wouldn't spend hours of my time before finals just so TST, a regular human, can't get revive.
Game of doors s different in the sense it was restrictive
FA what do you exactly mean by timing???
If we mislynch today... it will be odds of 4 in 11, you as a seer, still the same odds.
Jon believes you are scum, so if the idea is to stop wolves getting the revive, lynching you is a good idea.
You are forgetting... we still have the chance to waste this lynch.
Any information we gain from a lynch is not wasted.
I'll post more of an argument when on the computer... but its very one sided FA
By timing I mean we know whether or not the humans get the revive, it takes out one variable that makes this lynch so risky.
And is receiving that information a day earlier so important that you're willing to risk the masons, risk the wolves getting the revive, and risk losing a lynch (if the wolves wolf me, you gain an extra lynch with the same pay off.)
This is the thing, if the alliance is infiltrated then the masons are dead already.
Quote from: Jon on December 13, 2014, 04:18:08 PMThis is the thing, if the alliance is infiltrated then the masons are dead already.
Yes, but then the wolves would have to wolf me or them. Basically, we don't let them kill two birds with one stone.
technically 3 birds :3
On break, have a couple ideas, share them when I'm out of this dump ::)
Phase is ending soon, hurry up.
Meh, I'm starting to believe in FireArrow, to be honest. Going to place a vote on Olimar12345 instead unless I can think of anything better. He still has the bizarre mariolegofan PM thing going for him, which isn't dependent on FireArrow being a Wolf. Not to mention the absurd plan of wanting to figure out who's not in the alliance.
Going to cote for Jon because I don't want a phantom and I don't want t oinsata firearrow.
I'll either vote for Jon, Olimar, NoC, or myself, depending on what Toby does in the final stretch here.
What's the vote tally? I really don't feel like counting them all....
If the phase ends in the next few hours don't expect Toby to be back online today, it's like 1 am now.
NocturneOfShadow, because I might not be back until later today.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on December 11, 2014, 04:51:36 PMDay 1 ends on Saturday, 12/13/14, 11:30 PM EST.[/b]
Just say'n
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 13, 2014, 04:59:04 PMI might not be back until later today.
Just say'n
I should probably explain my vote more in-depth, though, while I still have time. Nocturne's the person I'm most uncertain of; some people have brought up that he could be the traitor, yet both Mashi and FireArrow speculate that he could
not be the traitor because of the way he's voted. At this point, I think (now, excuse me if I'm just being too paranoid :P) he could be a wolf trying to actively act like a human, yet also trying to act like the traitor to throw people off (and get people not to lynch him, because the traitor still counts as a human).
Quote from: Jon on December 13, 2014, 04:18:08 PMThis is the thing, if the alliance is infiltrated then the masons are dead already.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 13, 2014, 04:19:49 PMYes, but then the wolves would have to wolf me or them. Basically, we don't let them kill two birds with one stone.
You are so passive FA... so defensive... not needing to make risks...
No, you are not going to get wolfed, because you are lynchable... unless all of a sudden you are not going to be lynchable. then maybe.... of course, you could find someone...
you state all these good intentions for humans, but a part of me still thinks that you can be playing an alterior motive
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hey look, replies.
FireArrow Why do you guys wait till end of day to come in and post theories??? well they can wait till next phase... I feel FA is the lynch for this phase and done asap
Olimar
After speaking with Mashi, I'm willing to relent on FA somewhat. Olimar is a nice compromise.
Quote from: fank009 on December 13, 2014, 05:16:50 PMYou are so passive FA... so defensive... not needing to make risks...
No, you are not going to get wolfed, because you are lynchable... unless all of a sudden you are not going to be lynchable. then maybe.... of course, you could find someone...
you state all these good intentions for humans, but a part of me still thinks that you can be playing an alterior motive
guhhhhhhhh
gahhhhhhhh
You're using fank rules, on someone who knows fank rules. If I was a wolf, I'd probably be purposely acting scummy right now to get you to not vote for me.
And I am lynchable, but I'm also revivable. The nice thing about waiting till tomorrow is we can choose not to wolf me if the wolves get the revive based on what happens tonight.
BDSmashi logic
14:22 jon [01:15] <Mashi> I suspect that if FireArrow is the Seer
14:22 jon [01:15] <Mashi> The false claimer is the Traitor.
14:22 jon [01:15] <Mashi> It would explain why the Masons weren't wolfed Night 1.
14:22 jon [01:16] <Mashi> It would explain the suicide tactic of making a Red seering.
14:22 jon [01:16] <jon> i keep forgetting about the traitor
okay then lets not lynch FA then...
Olimar.Jon can't be a wolf after his vote change:
Spoiler
17:54 Arrowofdoom Like
17:54 Arrowofdoom it shows he has more interest in finding the wolves
17:54 Arrowofdoom rather than bandwaggoning an easy lynch
17:54 Arrowofdoom I mean he did just follow mashi like a baby duck
17:55 Arrowofdoom but still
I'm willing to change my vote, but because we spent the whole day phase talking about me, these other votes are annoying af. We need to agree on someone. And this BDS vote came out of effing no where (he's an inactive...)
Current votes:
FireArrow: 3 (Toby, Blueflower, NoS)
BDS: 2 (Fank, Myself)
NoS: 1 (mael,)
Jon: 2 (Yugi, BDS)
Olimar: 3 (mashi, Jon, FA)
I skimmed through the thread myself, Olimar, and isn't Nocturne voting for you?
Blue, that was a mistake of bolding.
And Olimar, BDS is voting for NoS.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 13, 2014, 05:57:57 PMAnd this BDS vote came out of effing no where (he's an inactive...)
I would disagree to that; even though I'm busy sometimes, I do speak up when I have something important to say... it's just that the whole debate around you has been overshadowing every other issue (and I don't have much to say on that that hasn't already been said).
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 13, 2014, 06:02:02 PMI skimmed through the thread myself, Olimar, and isn't Nocturne voting for you?
And I am voting for Nocturne, not Jon.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 13, 2014, 06:05:00 PMBlue, that was a mistake of bolding.
And Olimar, BDS is voting for NoS.
Just caught it, thanks. New list:
FireArrow: 3 (Toby, Blueflower, NoS)
BDS: 2 (Fank, Myself)
NoS: 1 (mael, BDS)
Jon: 2 (Yugi)
Olimar: 3 (mashi, Jon, FA)
...you forgot to change the numbers
I've been thinking about the Fire Arrow lynch a bit more, and here are a few more thoughts of mine:
If we don't lynch Fire Arrow today and lynch, say we lynch Olimar instead for example, then we're going to get two Seer readings on Day 2, and that's going to be incredibly confusing and hard to work with. The alliance loses a lot of its power if it doesn't know what Seer to trust.
Fire seems to be forgetting that even if he is the Seer, we get a guaranteed wolf kill Day 2 because Toby will obviously reveal who the fake wolf Seer is.
Blue, you're trying to suggest that we get more benefits from lynching our seer. Anyways, We get a guaranteed wolf day 2 regardless.
Probs still wrong but whatevs
FireArrow: 3 (Toby, Blueflower, NoS)
BDS: 2 (Fank, Myself)
NoS: 2 (mael, BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 3 (mashi, Jon, FA)
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 13, 2014, 06:10:20 PMI've been thinking about the Fire Arrow lynch a bit more, and here are a few more thoughts of mine:
If we don't lynch Fire Arrow today and lynch, say we lynch Olimar instead for example, then we're going to get two Seer readings on Day 2, and that's going to be incredibly confusing and hard to work with. The alliance loses a lot of its power if it doesn't know what Seer to trust.
Fire seems to be forgetting that even if he is the Seer, we get a guaranteed wolf kill Day 2 because Toby will obviously reveal who the fake wolf Seer is.
Two seer readings would be better. If we lynch FireArrow now, we leave with no seerings. If we lynch FireArrow next Phase and he so happens to be a legitimate seer, we get an actually useful seering from him, whereas it's not the case if we lynch him now.
But there's still a high probability of getting a Seering from him on Day 2, considering the Reviver Seed will more likely fall to a human than a wolf.
I still see your logic and it makes sense, but honestly I don't see any other legitimate lynch candidates for today. Olimar made a huge slip-up, but is that really the sort of thing that a wolf would make? It seems too obvious. And I'm not sure what all the votes on Nocturne are for with this Traitor business and what-not.
1. Nocturne is not the traitor. He is either wolf bait or a wolf.
2. Olimar's slip up is very wolfy.
3. I don't think I can receive a seering result if I get wolfed.
guys jon is a wolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:45 Yugikun jon are you a wolf
13:45 Olimar12345 Yes.
...yugi
Yugikun also thoughts on thread:
13:47 Yugikun - jesus christ 17 pages and its not even night 2 yet
13:48 Yugikun - I still think firearrow is a wolf, no human would do the things he did at the same time as each other
13:48 Yugikun - idk about the case on olimar, can someone explain it to me?
13:49 Yugikun - I was going to claim traitor to the thread, but then apparently noctourne is traitor or something
I don't think MLF realizes that he actually has to vote.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 13, 2014, 06:55:42 PMI don't think MLF realizes that he actually has to vote.
Who died?
All I'm seeing is 'if we do this then this could happen which could mean this' but what I'm saying is 'he is this so we do this'
It seems pretty evident that nocturne is the traitor, so get your assing votes off him and on to fire arrow, you guys are voting for olimar because he seems suspicious, but fire arrow is even more suspicious and has a red seering on him.
Guys please we are lynching firearrow, he's the wolf seer, why else would he wait to claim, why else would he change from not caring to suddenly caring (what human seer in there right mind would even begin to not care if I'm going against them, especially when it could be a ploy) firearrow is screaming with wolf tells and the way some of you are jumping around from vote to vote, that screams wolf too.
Firearrow does have a point. Not that we will waste a lych, but he has not had that much experience and, if he was a wolf, his actions make even less sense. Olimar has been very anti-arrow, and that idea of setting up an alliance just bothers me. Personally, I'd like to lynch the seer in the alliance, but I'm not in it. (surprise, surprise) So, for now, Olimar.
Nocturne is obviously not the traitor and there is only one vote on him. :/
Using my red seering as reason for suspecting me is, as I've pointed out to you many times, begging the question fallacy. You would know why people aren't voting me if you read the discussion between me and Mashi.
FireArrow
Just something going through my mind of...
"what is FA playing at..."
That and olimar isnt worth a lynch at current
FireArrow: 4 (Toby, Blueflower, Fank, NoS)
BDS: 1 (Olimar)
NoS: 1 (BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 4 (mashi, Jon, Mael, FA)
Quote from: fank009 on December 13, 2014, 07:40:01 PMFireArrow
Just something going through my mind of...
"what is FA playing at..."
That and olimar isnt worth a lynch at current
Make
up
your
mind
Firearrow
AAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH
He's a stupid human
Not an even worse wolf
don't worry, we're not an an insta yet, maelstrom
although I'd sugggest that someone take their vote off of firearrow
Olimar12345
FireArrow: 5 (Toby, Blueflower, Fank, MLF, NoS)
NoS: 1 (BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 5 (mashi, Jon, Mael, Olimar, FA)
mlf
please
be
inactive
again
Are you kidding me guys, Olimar is not a wolf. A wolf wouldn't vote for themself.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 13, 2014, 08:08:28 PMmlf
please
be
inactive
again
No.
You must explain yourself
Not be annoying haha.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 13, 2014, 08:10:22 PMAre you kidding me guys, Olimar is not a wolf. A wolf wouldn't vote for themself.
Double post, but that is precisely what they want you to think.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 13, 2014, 08:10:32 PMNo.
You must explain yourself
Not be annoying haha.
I'm the real seer ;)
I may look wolfy in thread :o
but ive been saving humans with PMs 8)
i'm pretty sure this is the most active nsm twg has ever gotten
ur welcome
So much spam lol
can't even see what I had ideas about
Anyhoo I don't know why we aren't still going for the FA lynching
there's so much spam I can't recall toby's post but if he's still going for the firearrow lynching we should still go for it
Although toby also says I'm the traitor whom we shouldn't listen to
which apparently can't be true because I'm just a human trying too hard
which apparently can't be true because I'm totes a wuff
when in reality I'm the REAL seer lol
so I'd like the wolves to claim to me tonight and we can discuss...
STUFF...
So let's go forward with this FireArrow vote guys! We got this!
Remember, he's far overplaying the worst case scenario. Very likely some sort of happy medium will come out of it-literally, because we'll know who's the real seer (I'm sorry, bad joke is bad.) and who's the dead, fake seer.
But you know what? Don't listen to this anyway because I'm jsut the traitor.
NocturneOfShadow
FireArrow
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 13, 2014, 08:07:51 PMFireArrow: 5 (Toby, Blueflower, Fank, MLF, NoS)
NoS: 1 (BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 5 (mashi, Jon, Mael, Olimar, FA)
Cant do that.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 13, 2014, 08:08:28 PMmlf
please
be
inactive
again
No
My vote is and will always be on Firearrow.
FireArrow
OLIMAR Y
Quote from: mariolegofan on December 13, 2014, 08:30:18 PMCant do that.
No
My vote is and will always be on Firearrow.
lol I like the way you word that
FireArrow: 6 (Toby, Blueflower, Fank, MLF, NoS, Olimar)
NoS: 1 (BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 4 (mashi, Jon, Mael, FA)
vvv
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 13, 2014, 08:31:16 PMFireArrow
Day 1 ends on Saturday, 12/13/14, 11:30 PM EST.
Quote from: mariolegofan on December 13, 2014, 08:33:22 PMFireArrow: 6 5 (Toby, Blueflower, Fank, MLF, NoS, Olimar)
NoS: 1 (BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 4 (mashi, Jon, Mael, FA)
Olimar voted after the phase ended
Quote from: mariolegofan on December 13, 2014, 08:33:22 PMFireArrow: 5 (Toby, Blueflower, Fank, MLF, NoS)
NoS: 1 (BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 5 (mashi, Jon, Mael, FA, Olimar)
I'm going to say that it's probably at Jub's discretion whether to count the vote or not.
Didn't do that right
FireArrow: 6 5 (Toby, Blueflower, Fank, MLF, NoS, Olimar)
NoS: 1 (BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 4 5 (mashi, Jon, Mael, FA, Olimar)
Ok, but I'm pretty sure you can't vote for yourself...
Seriously though. Claim to me tonight.
Or else.Quote from: mariolegofan on December 13, 2014, 08:41:57 PMOk, but I'm pretty sure you can't vote for yourself...
yes you can
people usually do it as a safety
I just did it
lol
What if I told you guys that olimar is the other seer?
For fucks sake guys, there is so much information right now that I can't reveal publicly and firearrow needs to be lynched tonight.
Apparently Jub accepted a seering result that was late last night so it's likely that votes will be accepted too until the phase is officially over.
I'm glad we all know that if you're going to be lynched, just claim seer and tell at people saying they're making a mistake and everything will be fine, it's worth it because we get a potential fake seer result of we wait!!
Toby
You didn't even read the thread did you?
Yes and me thinking from the start of day 1 the wolves are you, olimar and mashi, nothing is seeming any different.
Wow, the two people who supported me (until olimars poop vote), such revolutionary logic.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 13, 2014, 09:18:02 PMWow, the two people who supported me (until olimars poop vote), such revolutionary logic.
It's actually funny how they switched between incriminating you to supporting you, and I've predicted them being wolves even before their jumpy actions
FireArrow if votes are still being counted.
Well then if votes are still being counted Olimar12345
Stop counting votes at 12:30. Sorry for any inconvenience.
TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan
11. maelstrom
12. Jon
13. blueflower999
Olimar12345, a hydra, has been lynched. (random.org)
Night 2 ends on Monday, 12/15/14, 1 AM EST.gh-325 pm:
subject: !
You found a GH-325! The process to obtain the substance is rather inhumane, but it's already in a nice little capsule, so why not use it?
the actual fuck just happened
>olimar votes himself to try get more votes than firearrow, the "real seer" (and not to make himself look more human).
>olimar flips wolf (as I predicted I can even show Pms with time stamps if you wanna see how pro I am at predicting)
>olimar was in fact trying to protect the wolf seer who was a more powerful wolf than he was
>wolf alliance confirmed
If a special dies night 3 then I blame you guys.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 13, 2014, 10:04:08 PMthe actual fuck just happened
You got your wolf buds, the traitor and the newbies to side with you, that's what.
Don't bother yelling at people to save you any more, I'm worried they might lynch me.
Besides the fact that he voted for me? Unless of course, you're suggesting that he sat there waiting until 1 minute after the phase to make that vote knowing that jub wouldn't accept it.
Regardless, I'm cool with being lynched day 2 as long as humans get the revive.
Quote from: Toby on December 13, 2014, 09:06:26 PMWhat if I told you guys that olimar is the other seer?
For fucks sake guys, there is so much information right now that I can't reveal publicly and firearrow needs to be lynched tonight.
Apparently Jub accepted a seering result that was late last night so it's likely that votes will be accepted too until the phase is officially over.
Quote from: Toby on December 13, 2014, 10:07:13 PM>olimar votes himself to try get more votes than firearrow, the "real seer" (and not to make himself look more human).
>olimar flips wolf (as I predicted I can even show Pms with time stamps if you wanna see how pro I am at predicting)
>olimar was in fact trying to protect the wolf seer who was a more powerful wolf than he was
>wolf alliance confirmed
If a special dies night 3 then I blame you guys.
I don't follow. You wanted to lynch FireArrow, yet you predicted Olimar12345 was a Wolf? You realise that FireArrow must be Seer now that everyone has claimed to you, no? Olimar12345 flipped Red despite false claiming Seer, so he's confirmed Wolf. So FireArrow must be the Seer.
The other two Wolves are likely mariolegofan and blueflower999, in my opinion.
While I was away, something was accomplished. Yay! (https://last-life.net/forums/images/smilies/tweeet.gif)
...BDS.
That is not a cohesive thought/complete sentence.
If you guys want to suggest people for me to seer, assuming I live the night, feel free.
If you live the night then you 'aint the seer
Quote from: Jon on December 14, 2014, 02:06:01 AMIf you live the night then you 'aint the seer
he's going to live the night so you can lynch him...
in other news, why do I get this bad feeling that a wolf is going to be revived...
Quote from: Mashi on December 13, 2014, 10:50:12 PMI don't follow. You wanted to lynch FireArrow, yet you predicted Olimar12345 was a Wolf? You realise that FireArrow must be Seer now that everyone has claimed to you, no? Olimar12345 flipped Red despite false claiming Seer, so he's confirmed Wolf. So FireArrow must be the Seer.
The other two Wolves are likely mariolegofan and blueflower999, in my opinion.
Olimar wasn't the other seer, I just said that because you guys were suddenly rushing for another player without thinking properly about what role he might be.
Firearrow was the more powerful wolf and the most likely to be wolf, the real seer is still alive.
Also can the person who got the revive power pls claim to me
I highly suspect mlf is a wolf. It makes perfect sense. He knew that olimar was a wolf, and communicated with him exclusively through PMs. That PM asking for a substitute was to distract from the fact that he was actually active, albeit not in the thread or chat. Additionally, mlf is relatively inexperienced, so communicating olimar provided him with a sense of direction and prevented him from running around like a chicken with its head cut off. What's more, suspecting the first person who said "lynch the inactives" would provide a target for the lynch, and protect mlf from an inactivity lynch. It makes perfect sense. Might not be the best time to say this, but I want to before I forget. And, I think the person with the revive item should claim to the thread instead of just Toby. Wolfing should not prevent the revival from happening. I think.
Oh yeah, revive person pls claim to the thread.
Person with revive shouldn't claim publicly. They will be wolfed
But does that stop the revive from happening?
The wolves won't know the role of anyone who claims, besides the fact that they are human. Wolfing will kill them, but the revive will already have happened.
I still want to know who the seer in Toby's alliance is....
One of the wolves has already claimed to me, I'd like the other one to as confirmation!
I would also suggest wolfing Mashi!
Oh, I thought the revive was given during the day.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 14, 2014, 11:03:51 AMOne of the wolves has already claimed to me, I'd like the other one to as confirmation!
I would also suggest wolfing Mashi!
Sharing is caring.
Quote from: Toby on December 14, 2014, 04:11:38 AMOlimar wasn't the other seer, I just said that because you guys were suddenly rushing for another player without thinking properly about what role he might be.
Firearrow was the more powerful wolf and the most likely to be wolf, the real seer is still alive.
Uhhh, no, Toby, we rushed on another Player because we were thinking properly. The Red result should be sufficient proof of that. I don't think your ploy to dupe people into thinking Olimar12345 was a particularly good one too. It reflects poor on your part since we can't trust you to be honest as the alliance leader and you were basically trying to get the lynch off someone who was likely a Wolf.
I'm taking a wild conjecture that NocturneOfShadow is your fake Seer claim. Now that I connect the dots, it would make sense, since he's very likely the Traitor. His forced attempts of trying to get Wolf claims is obviously faked and an evident attempt for Human points if anything, while still fitting the agenda of a Traitor.
Toby, on the off-chance that I'm wolfed, I'll flip Human (barring the off-chance I'm Miller), in which case, please don't be an idiot. I'm fairly certain that whomever you trust as the private Seer claim is the false one.
My suggested lynch order would be mariolegofan, blueflower999, your Seer claim, and then NocturneOfShadow, presuming that the Seer claim isn't any of the stated three people. Possibly switch NocturneOfShadow around with the Seer claim, but the order for the 3rd and 4th lynches shouldn't matter too much.
If there's a person with the revive Item, he should claim to Toby. Toby, don't tell your private Seer claim, just tell the Masons.
maelstrom, miscellaneous question, but how much experience do you have with TWG?
Also, yes, revives do go through even when the Player uses the revive the same Night as a wolfing on himself/herself.
Mashi, you're talking to a wall, he thinks you're a wolf because "everyone who supported firearrow is obv wuff"
Also, Toby, would you like to share your top secret reason for tunnel visioning me? It'll probably support your case a lot better than nonsensical ranting about Olimar protecting me (If Olimar and I are Wolf partners, wouldn't we try to push a lynch of BDS/Jon rather than him (remember, at the time I voted Olimar, he was just as equally likely to be lynched as those 2.) Oh, but I'm going to guess we purposely killed off a wolf to be able to make this up, huh?)
This is my 3rd or 4th game.
Okay, thanks, maelstrom.
Might want to keep an eye on him, but he seems Human enough. He's been playing fairly well considering he's not a veteran, which is why I asked. So if you're Human, you're doing a good job!!!
Will the reviver pkease claim.
I thought we got the revive Day 2, not night 2?
Welp, we do get it night 2. Toby, can you at least confirm if a human got it?
If there's a Reviver, he/she should not claim to the thread. He/She should claim to Toby and Toby should only tell the Masons the identity of the Reviver.
Speaking of which though, I would recommend reviving The_Subjective_Thought this Phase if there is one. It's risky trying to save it and as FireArrow is likely to be wolfed and essentially have no seering, a revive is only useful to bring back confirmed Humans.
Quote from: Toby on December 14, 2014, 04:11:38 AMOlimar wasn't the other seer, I just said that because you guys were suddenly rushing for another player without thinking properly about what role he might be.
Firearrow was the more powerful wolf and the most likely to be wolf, the real seer is still alive.
Q, Why would olimar save self over FA if this was the case???
Quote from: FireArrow on December 14, 2014, 03:59:49 PMWelp, we do get it night 2. Toby, can you at least confirm if a human got it?
there is only one group of people who can toby can confirm that a human has got it, and that's his alliance.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 14, 2014, 03:56:37 PMWill the reviver pkease claim.
you cant have both toby outing and the person with the seed outing because it will give away that they are in the alliance. one or the other, and at this stage I understand that toby is colecting the claims and sharing it with the alliance (or mashi's suggestion the masons)
While fank was posting
Quote from: Mashi on December 14, 2014, 04:17:01 PMIf there's a Reviver, he/she should not claim to the thread. He/She should claim to Toby and Toby should only tell the Masons the identity of the Reviver.
Speaking of which though, I would recommend reviving The_Subjective_Thought this Phase if there is one. It's risky trying to save it and as FireArrow is likely to be wolfed and essentially have no seering, a revive is only useful to bring back confirmed Humans.
okay then... maybe I dont need to type as much when others have the exact same ideas as I do.
Wait mashi, does the revive have to be used tonight, or can we save it? And yeah, I see your point, a revived seer is no more useful than a confirmed human.
Quote from: Mashi on December 14, 2014, 01:20:45 PMI'm taking a wild conjecture that NocturneOfShadow is your fake Seer claim. Now that I connect the dots, it would make sense, since he's very likely the Traitor. His forced attempts of trying to get Wolf claims is obviously faked and an evident attempt for Human points if anything, while still fitting the agenda of a Traitor.
I wouldn't be surprised if Nocturne were a wolf, actually, especially after his pretty-much-right-at-the-end-of-the-phase (technically after) vote for Olimar.
The revive is made through an Item, so it can be saved and passed on for later if need be, but it's an unnecessary risk to do so, so I would rather have it used immediately.
Oh I see. Yeah, I concur.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 14, 2014, 04:24:51 PMI wouldn't be surprised if Nocturne were a wolf, actually, especially after his pretty-much-right-at-the-end-of-the-phase (technically after) vote for Olimar.
This is pretty terrible reasoning for a wolf, considering Olimar flipped red.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 14, 2014, 04:43:48 PMThis is pretty terrible reasoning for a wolf, considering Olimar flipped red.
I was implying that you voted for Olimar only to make yourself seem not like a wolf, especially because it was so late in the phase (technically after it was over).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 14, 2014, 04:46:12 PMI was implying that you voted for Olimar only to make yourself seem not like a wolf, especially because it was so late in the phase (technically after it was over).
Um
what?
Olimar has an INCREDIBLY delayed vote for firearrow;
my vote is already on firearrow
if I hadn't moved my vote nobody would have thought a thing about it.
Just a heads up, I'll be updating the phase on time in about 45 minutes.
Night 2 is over.TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan11. maelstrom
12. Jon
13. blueflower999
mariolegofan, a normal human, has been wolfed.
Day 2 ends on Tuesday, 12/16/14, 11:30 PM EST.
Blueflower is red.
And who the hell forgot to use the revive?
Other than that, since neither I or the masons died, FireArrow. I can't back out of a promise and you guys have no reason to believe I'm blue at this point. Just lynch blue tomorrow.
im assuming you guys know the difference between blue the flower and blue the color :3
Don't really like that mariolegofan in particular was wolfed. Though, since the Masons weren't killed, it adds a bit of circumstantial evidence to my theory that the Seer claimer is the Traitor.
There was only a 50% chance that the revive Item would be put into play, FireArrow.
I still have trust in your claim, so I would rather go for a blueflower999 lynch. Before voting though, I would like to hear a defence from him.
Quote from: Mashi on December 14, 2014, 10:25:21 PMDon't really like that mariolegofan in particular was wolfed. Though, since the Masons weren't killed, it adds a bit of circumstantial evidence to my theory that the Seer claimer is the Traitor.
Either the fake seer is a REALLY stupid human or they're trying to frame me. In the latter circumstance, it makes a bit of sense in that the Masons dying could result in Toby revealing him/her and lynching them, however, if they wolf someone random, my lynch is almost inevitable so they get an extra day of pretending to be real (and get to lynch masons night 3.)
Regardless, you'll probably the only person who still believes my claim, so if a blueflower lynch is impossible today due to suspicion of me, the second best thing I can do is cardflip.
QuoteThere was only a 50% chance that the revive Item would be put into play, FireArrow.
No, 100% chance tonight, 50% chance tomorrow night.
The Masons not dying could be indicative that the Wolves don't know who the Masons are, which is why it puts a lean on the theory that the Traitor was the one false claiming. It's not strong evidence by any means, but I'm beginning to believe it's true. That's a fair point you bring up about Wolves waiting until Night 3 if they were the ones that false claimed though, I didn't think that far ahead. Good deduction!
I stand corrected about the reviver Item, my mistake!
Would like to hear from Toby soon.
Quote from: Mashi on December 15, 2014, 12:17:56 AMThe Masons not dying could be indicative that the Wolves don't know who the Masons are, which is why it puts a lean on the theory that the Traitor was the one false claiming. It's not strong evidence by any means, but I'm beginning to believe it's true. That's a fair point you bring up about Wolves waiting until Night 3 if they were the ones that false claimed though, I didn't think that far ahead. Good deduction!
I stand corrected about the reviver Item, my mistake!
Would like to hear from Toby soon.
maybe... if masons die, it sends a message to toby that the seer is fake... and while FA is prime for a misylnch. as soon as evidence comes up he may actually be the seer... then its no longer worth lynching him. unless of course your theory holds up mashi
>:(Okay, who was too inactive to send in a revive PM ?
Quote from: Yugi on December 15, 2014, 01:23:34 AM>:(Okay, who was too inactive to send in a revive PM ?
obviously not you? but I agree... its weird that they wouldnt revive TST, (or olimar for wolves..)
1. Inactive got the reviver seed
2. Wolves got the reviver seed and decided they'd rather go for a mislynch than a second lynch on olimar.
Quote from: Mashi on December 15, 2014, 12:17:56 AMThe Masons not dying could be indicative that the Wolves don't know who the Masons are, which is why it puts a lean on the theory that the Traitor was the one false claiming. It's not strong evidence by any means, but I'm beginning to believe it's true. That's a fair point you bring up about Wolves waiting until Night 3 if they were the ones that false claimed though, I didn't think that far ahead. Good deduction!
Or it could mean FireArrow is still a wolf lol
FireArrow
I'm still surprised that mlf wasn't a wolf
I'd also like to know what Toby has to say about FA's "seering" before I vote.
Dead people can't post, PM, chat, or anything.
And yes.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 15, 2014, 07:07:37 AMI'm still surprised that mlf wasn't a wolf
I'd also like to know what Toby has to say about FA's "seering" before I vote.
Well, if mlf was PMing Olimar about it he probably told olimar his role? I really doubt if toby's going to say anything though.
I'm not going to question the validity of FA's seering because if it's true, with FA being the other red wolf it just means
blueflower is either the traitor or the miller. I
don't think blue is Toby's seer though. And mashi, you're almost certainly wrong about the traitor being the one to claim seer to toby!
More coming...
sOOn (tm)
You do have a point. At this point in the game, only 1/3 of red seerings will be a wolf. I hate to say this, but seering are basically useless now, as half the wolves will be seer'd green. I am curious as to who Blue is, but a FA lynch doesn't seem as bad now as when we had 3 wolves. If we kill both seers, we will probably get a wolf as well, if not at least the traitor.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 15, 2014, 08:36:40 AMYou do have a point. At this point in the game, only 1/3 of red seerings will be a wolf. I hate to say this, but seering are basically useless now, as half the wolves will be seer'd green. I am curious as to who Blue is, but a FA lynch doesn't seem as bad now as when we had 3 wolves. If we kill both seers, we will probably get a wolf as well, if not at least the traitor.
1. I've already told you multiple times I'm the traitor!
2. Lynching the traitor is a huge waste of advantage! You're saying you plan on lynching a confirmed human? Even if that human isn't being particularly helpful you'll still be lynching a human. All you're doing is making it easier for the wolves to win. Killing confirmed traitor=killing confirmed human.
But it means there is one less person who will be seer'd red.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 15, 2014, 09:38:05 AMBut it means there is one less person who will be seer'd red.
but if we already know that person is the traitor we DON'T NEED TO SEER THEM.
For some reason, I think you will be seer'd green
Seer me brah
do it
you know you want to
Pulling quotes from day one that might be seen in a different light now.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 11, 2014, 05:09:20 PMBlueflower I'm slightly suspicious of because he's stating something obviously true, however, looks very anti-wolf to say (does that make sense?)
Olimar's Suspicion List
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 11, 2014, 09:57:32 PMHere are my current thoughts:
1. Mashi
I have learned to be weary of mashi. He's always up to something, but so far this game I've got nothing from him.
2. NocturneOfShadow
Quite active and helpful in the chat this far. No real reason to suspect him yet.
3. fank009
Where have you been? I'm used to reading more from you. That might be a little odd, idk.
4. FireArrow
You jumped to the "inactive sacrifice" first, and like you said in the chat, I don't know why that's a bad thing, seeing as how it's always a formidable option. Reaction test wise, you held your own fine I thought.
5. BlackDragonSlayer
Acting pretty normal atm. No current leans.
6. Yugi
Acting pretty normal atm. No current leans.
7. The_Subjective_Thought
Rip indeed. A lucky guess to the wolves, really, since you hardly posted.
8. Toby
Wasn't quite sure of your intentions, post sending my claim. However, you seem to have formed a union between the "confirmed" members, and that should be greatly helpful as we go on.
9. Olimar12345
I sent in my claim (Toby can verify) but was not put in an alliance. Most likely because there have been multiple claims for my role, as implied here: I could be a good lynch vote to confirm suspicions on others claiming my role, though at the risk of losing a member (though we do have that revive...).
10. mariolegofan
Do you even twg? If he's new here, I doubt he'd have too big a role, as to not overload him. Probably a "vanilla."
11. maelstrom
He hasn't posted very much but we see here that he is not in an alliance as well. (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.msg263911#msg263911) This little back-and-fourth between him and Toby also implies that he did send in a claim. Similar thoughts here as I had about myself. Spontaneous vote again NoS was odd, but I suppose I have to pm Toby for more info on that matter.
12. Jon
You're quite quick to cause commotion, don't know how good that is. No other real thoughts about you yet.
13. blueflower999
Acting pretty normal atm. No current leans.
Quote from: fank009 on December 12, 2014, 04:23:47 AM[18:54] (Nocturne) btw just kidding about the pm
[18:54] (Nocturne) just a reaction test
[18:55] (Nocturne) I am pretty sure FA is human at this point though, his reaction was a lot better than maelstroms
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 12, 2014, 06:34:07 AMCurrent leans
Toby human(duh)
Me human(duh)
tst human (see earlier way out there idea in the thread that bds commented on)
Maelstrom human
Olimar human
FireArrow human(way to blow it fank >:( )
Jon looks more humanish than wolfish but not as human as the others
blueflower suspicious
fank suspicious
mashi ???
Yugi ???
MLF ???
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 02:01:06 PMPersonally, I would be willing to change my vote to someone better. FA isn't a bullet-proof candidate tbh.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 12, 2014, 05:52:43 PMSo I just got caught up in the thread, and damn, so many great arguments. I swear I end up changing my mind every new post that comes around, but After those last few, I am against a FireArrow lynch, at least for this phase.
Quote from: Jon on December 12, 2014, 10:17:38 PMThen we have Olimar who has been an avid FA supporter since the start of the day phase. After we lynch FA, Olimar should be next on the list due to this. I really hope no one claimed to him, his plan was basically to try and figure out who the specials are.
Mashi's long and useful post (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.210)
Quote from: Mashi on December 13, 2014, 01:03:03 PMHaving a poor justification for making a hasty vote doesn't change that it's a hasty vote. I can vote for Toby right now and change it later, but it would still be a silly thing to do, considering that he's confirmed Brutal Human.
Olimar12345's vote on you is hypocritical because I suspect he's trying to look Human by voting for you, but yet still trying to get the lynch off of you because you're Partners. It's a desperation Wolf tactic.
And other stuff.
So, my thoughts:
Olimar was very anti-FA in the beginning, but changed when the focus shifted to him. FA would not be wolfed if he was a seer or not, because he is lynchable.If the wolves know who the masons are, they will not wolf them until that is all they need to ensure victory. It's just too suspicious.
So, I vote FIREARROW
Fire Arrow. There's a minute chance that I'm the miller, but I highly doubt it. Plus he should have been lynched anyway.
Maelstrom...
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 15, 2014, 07:01:28 AM1. Inactive got the reviver seed
2. Wolves got the reviver seed and decided they'd rather go for a mislynch than a second lynch on olimar.
Or it could mean FireArrow is still a wolf lol
FireArrow
...or it could mean that you and Blueflower are wolves together?
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 15, 2014, 12:14:13 PMFire Arrow. There's a minute chance that I'm the miller, but I highly doubt it. Plus he should have been lynched anyway.
Excuse me, but wouldn't that make you a Wolf/Traitor?
BlueflowerChanging only so I don't randomly get insta'd, I'll change back to myself when I'm satisfied with blueflower's defense. Remember, I can also prove my humanity by him flipping red, I just don't want to risk him being a miller, because that's a large waste of our time.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 15, 2014, 08:36:40 AMYou do have a point. At this point in the game, only 1/3 of red seerings will be a wolf. I hate to say this, but seering are basically useless now, as half the wolves will be seer'd green. I am curious as to who Blue is, but a FA lynch doesn't seem as bad now as when we had 3 wolves. If we kill both seers, we will probably get a wolf as well, if not at least the traitor.
No, once both the red wolfs are dead, then we know anyone else seered red is safe.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 15, 2014, 10:58:23 AMOlimar was very anti-FA in the beginning, but changed when the focus shifted to him.
FA would not be wolfed if he was a seer or not, because he is lynchable.
If the wolves know who the masons are, they will not wolf them until that is all they need to ensure victory. It's just too suspicious.
1. Remember, Olimar changed back to me in the end. It can't be an act, becasue there's no way he could know if Jub would count the votes or not. Also, he went from pro-FA, to anti-FA, to pro-FA, to anti-FA.
2. True.
3. True.
Both points 2 and 3 are in favor of me telling the truth though. >_>
Q, would scumbuddy(ies) of olimar stay on him?
bds for now
I have a suspicion that NoS is a wolf who is claiming traitor so that he doesn't get lynched. I don't really wanna lynch FireArrow right now, so yeah.
Quote from: Jon on December 15, 2014, 03:40:50 PMI have a suspicion that NoS is a wolf who is claiming traitor so that he doesn't get lynched. I don't really wanna lynch FireArrow right now, so yeah.
Hey; you stole my reasoning! :P
Quote from: Jon on December 15, 2014, 03:40:50 PMI have a suspicion that NoS is a wolf who is claiming traitor so that he doesn't get lynched. I don't really wanna lynch FireArrow right now, so yeah.
... what if he's claiming traitor so he doesnt get wolfed???
Then rip
Quote from: fank009 on December 15, 2014, 04:01:06 PM... what if he's claiming traitor so he doesnt get wolfed???
I have a huge ass case against both NoS and Blueflower that I'll post later (gotta go to piano in a half hour.) And yeah, if he's just claiming traitor to cover up... then he could of done a lot better of a job.
If it makes you feel any better though, I'd prefer to lynch blue over Noc.
Sorry for this being late, I had things to do that took up most of my time tonight.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 15, 2014, 01:27:30 PMExcuse me, but wouldn't that make you a Wolf/Traitor?
No?
QuoteChanging only so I don't randomly get insta'd, I'll change back to myself when I'm satisfied with blueflower's defense. Remember, I can also prove my humanity by him flipping red, I just don't want to risk him being a miller, because that's a large waste of our time.
I'm pretty sure the deal was that if the Masons weren't wolfed tonight, then the alliance hadn't been infiltrated by a wolf, and, therefore, Toby's Seer is the true one and Fire Arrow is a phony.
At the very least I say we wait until Toby posts last night's Seering result to make a decision on who to lynch, yes?
Also p. sure that Fire just manufactured a red Seering for me because I was one of his voters yesterday and he wants me out of the picture. Just a thought.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 15, 2014, 06:14:14 PMNo?I'm pretty sure the deal was that if the Masons weren't wolfed tonight, then the alliance hadn't been infiltrated by a wolf, and, therefore, Toby's Seer is the true one and Fire Arrow is a phony.
Bros, do you even read
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 15, 2014, 10:58:23 AMFA would not be wolfed if he was a seer or not, because he is lynchable.
If the wolves know who the masons are, they will not wolf them until that is all they need to ensure victory. It's just too suspicious.
It's quite clear that the Masons wouldn't be wolfed because it was publicly declared, or, at least, implied, that if they were wolfed, the alliance would be infiltrated. Even a stupid wolf won't kill the masons until it no longer matters whether they draw suspicion or not. You keep using this reasoning to try to lynch FA. Yet, you are clearly not thinking this through in the least bit. No human would post something so ignorant, so you must not be one.
Blueflower999
Heh, strong words there. Somehow I'm thinking that I'm not the ignorant one here.
I don't see how lynching me resolves anything considering that I'm obviously not Toby's Seer because "no human would ever be so ignorant", so how does lynching me progress the game, exactly? All I really care about at the moment is figuring out whose results we can trust. After that pinning down the wolves should be a breeze, but nooooo we have to complicate it with all this bull.
Votes:
Maelstrom -- 1 (NoS)
Blueflower999 -- 2 (Mael, FA)
FireArrow -- 1(Blueflower)
BDS -- 1 (Fank)
NoS -- 1 (jon)
Cool Nearly a 5-way kitb
I will want to mention I have heard little from BDS, and his posts add little to the thread, possibly to avoid saying anything human or wolvish.
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 15, 2014, 07:00:31 PMI will want to mention I have heard little from BDS, and his posts add little to the thread, possibly to avoid saying anything human or wolvish.
I suppose you've completely missed my accusation against Nocturne, yes?
Can we please just lynch that stupid nocturne already he's driving me insane
In the chat. Could use a few more people
so can someone sum up the cases against fa and blueflower for me
Also, FireArrow, why did you seer Blueflower?
FjreArrow
that's a fancy "i" for you uncultured folk out there.
Quote from: Yugi on December 15, 2014, 07:57:26 PMso can someone sum up the cases against fa and blueflower for me
Also, FireArrow, why did you seer Blueflower?
Case against FA- Seer'd red by tobys seer
Case against Blue- Seer'd red by FA
Right now I'm 90% certain that the wolf team is Olimar, Blueflower, and Nocturne. Le reasoning below:
My main reason for thinking this is based on one line of thought: Whoever the wolf team is, they want me lynched day 1. If they're the ones who false claimed seer, they'll know I'm the real seer, so they won't be undecided in their votes. Also, They have no reason to pretend to be ambivalent because not only are they voting for a very suspicious person, they'll be voting alongside Toby, preventing any possible suspicion they could get by tunnel visioning me.
Now, let's look at the 3 people (besides Toby) who follow this logic: Blueflower, NoS, and MLF. Mlf is a confirmed human, so that leaves these 2.
Blueflower: voted me once and never changed it.
NoS: kept his vote on me until past the phase ended, then randomly changed to olimar at the last second even though I'd still be in the majority. (This could be him trying to distance himself from olimar.)
Note: not counting NoS's votes pre-toby.
I do have a bit more:
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 10, 2014, 12:43:24 PMAlso just a reminder to the wolves that false claiming to Toby is a really risky strategy in this game due to the cardflip.
This is what first gave me a wolf lean on blue. It makes him look human by talking down the wolves, however, the fact is so obvious that he doesn't actually do any damage to his team by saying this. I also find it ironic that the wolves did end up doing this, so this could be blueflower preplanning and dropping evidence to point away from him (e.g. if blueflower thought false claiming was a bad idea, why would he or his team member's do it?)
Really, blueflower hasn't done much, so that's the only thing I have on him (besides him obviously not paying full attention to the thread.)
Everyone knows that nocturne claims to be the traitor, and anyone with a brain knows that it's not true. Not convinced, read these:
(Yes, all of these are after Toby revealed to the thread that he claimed traitor.)
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 12, 2014, 08:00:42 AMexcept a toby seering is ridiculously easy to make up. The real may would have counterclaimed a LONG time ago, so I'd say this is pretty solid evidence. The fact that you claimed skye is proof that you're not the miller (because as I found out the miller doesn't know he's red lol) and the fact that you "seered" toby probably means you're just the regular wolf; (I might be making stuff up here lol) but if you were the seering wolf you probably would have claimed seer a lot earlier, having the power to back it up. Oh, I guess you could be the traitor too lol
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 13, 2014, 04:59:33 AMI realize that you like to play it safe FireArrow but right now we have a huge advantage that we simply can't lose. Maybe it's just my style, but I'd much rather take that risk and possibly end up way ahead of the wolves and I'm sure most other humans do too. Again, I want to avoid the insta to give us more time to think of something but personally I feel like waiting until day 2 is going to set us really far back as I said in the chat, almost to the point where it's not worth waiting- especially because if you are the seer there's a very strong chance we can get you back.
Reviver seed+cardfilp=100% seering for you+Toby knows wolf identity.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 15, 2014, 07:01:28 AMOr it could mean FireArrow is still a wolf lol
FireArrow
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 15, 2014, 08:27:28 AMWell, if mlf was PMing Olimar about it he probably told olimar his role? I really doubt if toby's going to say anything though.
I'm not going to question the validity of FA's seering because if it's true, with FA being the other red wolf it just means blueflower is either the traitor or the miller. I don't think blue is Toby's seer though. And mashi, you're almost certainly wrong about the traitor being the one to claim seer to toby!
More coming...
sOOn (tm)
The first one is particularly hilarious, the next few show him obviously playing on the sides of the humans even though he's claimed traitor, the last one is him talking about the traitor in third person. It should be also noted, he's twisted into thinking I'm a wolf, considering he non stop bugs me on mibbit about 'revealing my partners' so we can start a 'wolf alliance.' If he's so certain I'm a wolf, why would he be pushing for my lynch? If he thinks I'm human (trying to get me lynched as the traitor), why would he be sending me
private messages on mibbit about me revealing my partners?
All this does is proves he's not the traitor, he could still be a wolf or a mason though (his actions make no sense from the perspective of a human.) As for him being a mason, there's holes in that theory:
1. Toby brought up the fact that he was the "traitor."
2. Unless he's stupid, Toby wouldn't tell anyone in his alliance to follow his accusations like little ducklings, which NoS did.
3. I did a reaction test on Toby and told him that I knew NoS was a miller - Toby preceded to scoff me for being an idiot. Don't have the logs, but fank can be my witness (unless you weren't paying attention.)
None of these 3 things are all that solid, however, the idea of him being a wolf has absolutely no holes. Oh, and also this log:
Spoiler
16:45 fire ...and who claimed to you? //referring to him saying a wolf claimed to him.
16:46 fire And why do you need the other wolf to claim to you, wouldn't s/he just tell you his/her partner?
16:47 Nocturne it might have been a false claim thouh
16:47 Nocturne who'a youe paetner
16:47 fire my partner is patrick
16:47 fire we cook all the krabby patties
16:48 fire Nocturne, you wanna know a secret?
16:48 fire Olimar is a wolf.
16:49 Nocturne whaahahanaat
16:50 Nocturne I thought he was a traiseemoner
16:50 fire That was all part of our plan
16:50 fire You would think he's your traiseemoner partner
16:50 fire and tell us everyone in the alliance
16:51 fire because traiseemoner's have the ability to talk to the dead
16:51 fire that name sucks though
16:51 fire where did the moner come from? >_>
16:51 Nocturne trai=traitor
16:51 Nocturne see=seer
16:51 Nocturne mon=mason
16:52 fire Shouldn't it be Traiseeson?
16:52 Nocturne er=idk part mason part seer part traitor
16:52 Nocturne that sounds worse though
16:52 fire but it's the proper name
16:52 fire just like reviver seed
16:52 Nocturne at least digimon names sound SORT of cool
16:52 Nocturne lol
16:52 Nocturne BDS so on my case in the chat
16:52 Nocturne *thread
16:52 Nocturne go read
16:52 fire I saw
16:53 fire you've been figures out noc
16:53 fire You're actually a traiseemonoolf
16:53 Nocturne traiseemonanolf
16:53 Nocturne human+wolf
16:53 fire oh of course
16:54 fank009 ...
16:54 fank009 hey FA...
16:54 Nocturne It's like the 5 parts of exodia
16:54 fank009 toby has interesting logic...
16:54 fank009 you are the more powerful wolf...
16:54 Nocturne that's one way to put it
16:54 fank009 yet olimar tried to lynch you?
16:54 fire He just has something against me tbh
16:54 fire He would die a little bit on the inside if I was the real seer
16:55 Nocturne dang I wish I had killed you FA //important stuff starts here
16:55 Nocturne but instead I wanted a KitB
16:55 fire ...you're vote was on me when the phase ended
16:55 fire unless you mean you wished you wolfed me >_>
16:56 Nocturne I was keeping it tied
16:56 fire you're*
16:56 Nocturne GO LOOK AT THE CHAT WOMAN
16:56 fire The change to olimar didn't count
16:56 Nocturne AND BY CHAT I MEAN THREAD
16:56 Nocturne AND BY... yeah the rest is pretty much literal
16:56 Nocturne WAIT
16:56 Nocturne BY WOMAN I MEAN MAN
16:56 fire excuse u
16:56 Nocturne almost missed one
16:57 fire ?
16:57 Nocturne what do u mean the change to olimar didn't count
16:57 fire Jub didn't count votes past the time cut off
16:57 fire so it was a kitb
16:57 fire So you saying "you wish you killed me"
16:57 fire makes absolutely no sense
16:58 fire unless either a) you're a wolf, or b) you didn't know that
16:58 Nocturne at 11:30
16:58 Nocturne when phase was supposed to end
16:58 fire PST yes //I did not mean PST >_>
16:58 Nocturne my vote was on firearrow
16:58 fire yes
16:58 Nocturne then olimar voted firearrow
16:58 Nocturne and I switched my vote in response to olimar
16:58 fire 16:55 Nocturne dang I wish I had killed you FA 16:55 Nocturne but instead I wanted a KitB
16:58 fire ^what do you mean by that?
16:59 fank009 I'll be afk...
16:59 fank009 ish
16:59 fire bai
16:59 fire The only possible explanations to it are:
16:59 Nocturne Stop counting votes at 12:30. Sorry for any inconvenience.
16:59 Nocturne oh okay lol
16:59 Nocturne but wait
17:00 Nocturne then FA would have been lynched
17:00 fire You miscounted
17:00 fire it was
17:00 fire a
17:00 fire kitb
17:00 Nocturne then olimar switched votes at 11:31
17:00 fire Yes
17:00 fire 1 minute after the phase ended
17:00 Nocturne JUB SAID 12:30
17:00 fire timezones
17:00 Nocturne WHAT IS GOING ON
17:00 Nocturne He needs to be more specific
17:00 fire tru
17:01 fire This is wolfy
17:01 fire might post in thread
17:01 Nocturne you do realize a "nocturne 4 wolf" push will just make you look more like a wolf
17:02 fire I'm not concerned with whether or not people assume I'm a wolf
17:02 fire Your defense is even more wolfy dude .-.
17:03 Nocturne If toby says I'm the traitor then by George I'm the traitor
17:03 Nocturne !!!
17:03 fire toby also says I'm the wolf
17:04 fire So of all people, you should know I wouldn't be the one to trust his opinion on people
17:04 fire especially a claim that can't be proven
17:04 Nocturne But I'm the traitor
17:04 Nocturne so we gotta stick this out together
17:04 Nocturne oh and I guess we gotta kill fank
17:04 Nocturne NO WITNESSES
17:04 fire
17:05 fire If you are the traitor/a human, you're just as terrible at it as I'd be a terrible wolf
17:05 Nocturne Never been traitor before, sorry
17:06 fire Claiming traitor actually seems like a good strategy for a wolf now that I think about it
17:06 Nocturne alright, I'm going to send you a SUPER PRIVATE MESSAGE
17:06 Nocturne yeah, it actually is
17:06 Nocturne you have an excuse for being red
17:06 fire and the real traitor would never counter claim
17:07 Nocturne and it prevents you from getting lynched
17:07 Nocturne the only problem is if you do it too early you'll just get wolfed
17:07 fire ...how would a wolf get wolfed
17:08 Nocturne oh I mean a traitor would usually get wolfed
17:10 fire So I can either assume you're: a semi intelligent wolf
17:10 fire or a stupid traitor
17:10 fire or a semi intelligent mson
17:10 Nocturne or a genius traiseemoner
17:10 fire traimasolf confirmed
17:10 Nocturne BAM
To clarify:
Apparently Nocturne wished he would of killed me. When I asked him to clarify, he meant not changing his vote to olimar. This is incorrect on 2 accounts because a) I was still the majority after NoS changed to olimar, and b) Jub wasn't counting votes then anyways (yes, this log was after jub updated.)
It's entirely possible NoS simply goofed up on both those facts, however, his defense is just... .-.
17:01 Nocturne you do realize a "nocturne 4 wolf" push will just make you look more like a wolf
17:03 Nocturne If toby says I'm the traitor then by George I'm the traitor
17:03 Nocturne !!!
I'd still prefer to lynch blue because he's red. While I do have good evidence against NoS, it's all theoretical.
Oh, and a rant against Toby:
Spoiler
Can I point out how stupid your conjecture that Nocturne is the traitor and I'm the wolf is. Those two things are mutually exclusive! Oh, and how olimar was trying to "protect me" as the "more powerful wolf" even though he changed the KitB to be in his favor without any way of knowing that Jub wouldn't count it.
Quote from: Yugi on December 15, 2014, 07:57:26 PMso can someone sum up the cases against fa and blueflower for me
Also, FireArrow, why did you seer Blueflower?
My main suspicions were Blueflower and Nocturne (see my big ass post.) I wanted to seer noc, but fank told me that I should seer someone who wasn't already lynchable, so I opted for blueflower instead.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 15, 2014, 09:01:12 PM3. I did a reaction test on Toby and told him that I knew NoS was a miller - Toby preceded to scoff me for being an idiot. Don't have the logs, but fank can be my witness (unless you weren't paying attention.)
I meant mason here .-.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 15, 2014, 06:14:14 PMSorry for this being late, I had things to do that took up most of my time tonight.
No?I'm pretty sure the deal was that if the Masons weren't wolfed tonight, then the alliance hadn't been infiltrated by a wolf, and, therefore, Toby's Seer is the true one and Fire Arrow is a phony.
At the very least I say we wait until Toby posts last night's Seering result to make a decision on who to lynch, yes?
Quote from: fank009 on December 15, 2014, 12:38:32 AMmaybe... if masons die, it sends a message to toby that the seer is fake... and while FA is prime for a misylnch. as soon as evidence comes up he may actually be the seer... then its no longer worth lynching him. unless of course your theory holds up mashi
Okay sorry I'm late to post been busy with tests and Christmas shopping and work and sleep and school and yeah.
Going to put my vote on firearrow, my other seer claim is a lot more human looking than he is and nothing about the way my seer claim has behaved has striked me as odd in any way. However with firearrows opinions jumping and switching attitudes he's too uncontrollable to keep calm and that's exactly how a wolf would be in this situation! At first he's calm, then he's defensive and then he goes apeshit begging for his life, exact same pattern as he played yesterday.
I also have no reason to suspect Blueflower for anything, firearrows red seering on blue pretty much confirms him as Miller or traitor for me so thanks. Blue didn't claim seer and the only red wolf left is the seer wolf who is either firearrow or my other seer claim. Firearrows incrimination against Blueflower with this knowledge is superrr weiiiiiirrrrddd.
Toby, do you believe Olimar12345 is a Wolf? Because if you do, then I don't see why you wouldn't think blueflower999 doesn't fit as a Partner considering how much blueflower999 was defending him.
Toby's yet to supply me any sufficient reason to trust his judgement regarding the false claim scenario, so unless he can provide me with more specific reasoning besides general statements such as his other claimant having done nothing suspicious, I'll probably end up voting blueflower999 this Phase.
In all honesty I don't really care if you guys lynch me this phase, because I think I'm more useful to the human team dead than alive. I'll flip whatever color I really am, which will blow the lid off of Fire Arrow's validity as Seer. :P
After getting rid of him presumably Day 3, it should be pretty freaking easy to pick out the last wolf.
So go ahead, lynch me, I'm not even going to defend myself. Unless I continued to be amazed by the ignorance of some of you, then this game should be won for the humans regardless.
Also, just so we're clear, I'm Toby's Seer and I Seered Mashi Red last night. So after I cardflip blue you guys can know to look into lynching him after Fire Arrow. ^_^
Correction: Mashi doesn't need to be lynched because he's either the Traitor or the Miller (assuming that Fire Arrow is a wolf). My bad, forgot only two of the wolves were red.
Ok so I guess that's an agreement for you just to claim. I also found it interesting how much firearrow was pushing for Blueflower to be lynched, despite seeming uninterested in his lunch at the start of this day phase he really has been pushing for IT, like he wants us to lynch our seer just before he dies.
The only reason Blueflower was voting for firearrow and defending olimar was because he was in the alliance and agreed with me on my suspicions with firearrow, we wanted firearrow dead, not olimar, so it only made sense to try defend him olimar in order for us to achieve our lynch.
Basically now that you know blue is the seer, everything you were suspicious of him for can be neglected because all your reasoning against him, is practically reasoning against me for telling him to do that.
The only reason I was so pushing for Fire to be lynched is that I'm 100% certain that he's a wolf and leading everyone astray with his fabricated Seerings. This probably wasn't a good idea to claim, but I can't take that any longer, and I'm pretty certain that we can win this game even without me.
So yeah, I'd much rather have the wolves waste a wolf on me tonight, but if you guys still feel the need to lynch your Seer over a wolf, then go ahead and do it.
Well if we're all being dumb and claiming our roles I am the real brutal, Toby is one of the masons.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 16, 2014, 02:44:52 PMIn all honesty I don't really care if you guys lynch me this phase, because I think I'm more useful to the human team dead than alive. I'll flip whatever color I really am, which will blow the lid off of Fire Arrow's validity as Seer. :P
After getting rid of him presumably Day 3, it should be pretty freaking easy to pick out the last wolf.
So go ahead, lynch me, I'm not even going to defend myself. Unless I continued to be amazed by the ignorance of some of you, then this game should be won for the humans regardless.
lol was this a slipup
Anyway, considering I've been suspicious of blueflower999 since last Day Phase and he makes sense as Partner with Olimar12345, I probably will end up voting blueflower999 this Phase. Though, aside from the comment I just bolded, I'm starting to think blueflower999 is just the Traitor. I'm trying to figure out why he would have claimed even then though. I'll think about it.
Toby, your input to blueflower999 (which I doubt was anything major, considering your thread inactivity) might be one explanation for blueflower999's behaviour, but blueflower999 would push for a FireArrow lynch even if he weren't Seer, so my suspicion of him is yet to be nulled.
Quote from: Jon on December 16, 2014, 03:09:46 PMWell if we're all being dumb and claiming our roles I am the real brutal, Toby is one of the masons.
Counterclaiming, I'm actually the Psychic.
So blueflower is toby's seer?
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 10, 2014, 12:43:24 PMAlso just a reminder to the wolves that false claiming to Toby is a really risky strategy in this game due to the cardflip.
This quote brings up so much questions... and (I feel) is the piece that will put the wolves in their place.
FA as a wolf, seeing this post, still claimed... why wasn't there any screams that blue = seer... maybe because it really didnt have a lot to go on. yet something is nagging me???
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 13, 2014, 08:37:24 PMDidn't do that right
FireArrow: 6 5 (Toby, Blueflower, Fank, MLF, NoS, Olimar)
NoS: 1 (BDS)
Jon: 1 (Yugi)
Olimar: 4 5 (mashi, Jon, Mael, FA, Olimar)
With olimar's quote, MLF was so lynchable... why did they go for him? going for a toby follower, looks like to me that they were hunting for specials... wouldnt they have gone back, and read the game, and seen blue's post, and thought... he's challenging the claims wanting the claims... wanting a claim from the wolves so that he can go aha, I am the seer you no good wolf...
that vote list Is really telling... it could be that FA was being protected, but olimar's actions feel contrary to this theory... but still... with the knowledge that mashi is red... one of jon/mael being FA's partners with olimar in the quest to save FA... or would they just stay out of this mess altogether???
(fank, what about FA voters?) if toby is right, they wouldnt have gone on FA, unless they felt confident they had found the traitor.
On the other hand...
2nd hand logs
01:22:51: <jon> [01:15] <Mashi> I suspect that if FireArrow is the Seer
01:22:53: <jon> [01:15] <Mashi> The false claimer is the Traitor.
01:22:54: <jon> [01:15] <Mashi> It would explain why the Masons weren't wolfed Night 1.
01:22:55: <jon> [01:16] <Mashi> It would explain the suicide tactic of making a Red seering.
01:22:57: <jon> [01:16] <jon> i keep forgetting about the traitor
going back to that list... and going back to that quote... could Blue be sending a signal to his buddies that don't claim, I'm claiming???
And going back to that list... if FA really is the seer. one- why bus on olimar? when following toby was still a good valid reason to lynch FA. REMEMBER the fact that MLF was SHOT and they were power hunting...
all these things considered. BDS fmpov is still a good lynch... under this idea, there is one scum in the main votes, and the other in hiding... although pushing FA would be a safe bet in following toby, it could always be seen as risky when they don't die from being a possible follower of toby. and staying out of the way is the safest bet to not draw susupicion/ bus unnecesarily on olimar.
Quote from: Mashi on December 16, 2014, 03:16:22 PMCounterclaiming, I'm actually the Psychic.
what, you aint the please?, must be scum :P
in the chat if anyone wants
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 16, 2014, 02:46:55 PMAlso, just so we're clear, I'm Toby's Seer and I Seered Mashi Red last night. So after I cardflip blue you guys can know to look into lynching him after Fire Arrow. ^_^
Well cool, lynching you can prove I'm real.
Since I'm certain blue is a wolf now (or at least the traitor), I'd like a defense from nocturne.
Quote from: Mashi on December 16, 2014, 03:16:22 PMAnyway, considering I've been suspicious of blueflower999 since last Day Phase and he makes sense as Partner with Olimar12345, I probably will end up voting blueflower999 this Phase. Though, aside from the comment I just bolded, I'm starting to think blueflower999 is just the Traitor. I'm trying to figure out why he would have claimed even then though. I'll think about it.
I agree with Mashi here; I think it's very likely that Blueflower is the traitor, and
Nocturne is a wolf instead (though, I could have it the other way around).
Quote from: fank009 on December 16, 2014, 03:31:26 PMall these things considered. BDS fmpov is still a good lynch... under this idea, there is one scum in the main votes, and the other in hiding... although pushing FA would be a safe bet in following toby, it could always be seen as risky when they don't die from being a possible follower of toby. and staying out of the way is the safest bet to not draw susupicion/ bus unnecesarily on olimar.
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here, but I will say that my activity in the game is fairly regular- it's just that the whole situation surrounding FireArrow has exploded this game's activity far above that of all recent NSM games, and without much to say about the whole thing, I'm left with nothing to do but occasionally state observations I've made (such as those relating to Nocturne).
Ehh, BDS brings up a good point. Nocturne
It really all depends on if Mashi being red is made up or not. If blueflower's right, then he's the wolf seer. If blueflower's wrong, then he's the traitor. If blueflower is the traitor, that would explain him "revealing" to the thread his identity.
I can confirm this by seering mashi tonight, so blueflower would make a better day 3 lynch fmpov right now.
And if I die and can't get my seering results - lynch blueflower.
... we are NOT getting nocturne today...
even if it is a bit iffy...
Please guys, lynch either me or Fire Arrow today so we can end this whole charade.
lol blueflower999 is definitely the traitor
Anyway, the Phase is almost over so blueflower999.
whats the votals at?
FA: 1
NoS: 3
Blue: 2
oh, and your vote on BDS
...
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Hee hee hee... Aha hahaha! Take a good look, everyone! Unable to find a rival worthy of my genius, I was forced to create one by myself! Here I am! The tragic clown!
Nah, just kidding. I have given up though. Lynch me please, just remember to lynch Fire tomorrow when I flip blue.
blueflower
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No one vote blueflower, unless you're blind, it's pretty obvious he's trying to save NoS.
nocturne
That's me bro
...or not.
.-.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 16, 2014, 07:06:24 PM...
No one vote blueflower, unless you're blind, it's pretty obvious he's trying to save NoS.
It's actually not, I just genuinely want to be lynched. I'm sick of all this double seer bull and I want to get the game to move past that.
And Fire, apparently the whole thread is blind because they've let you live for this long, so I wouldn't put anything past them.
Lol guys I've been hiding it pretty well for the past few phases but I actually am the traitor... The near way for me to win is to get lynched so go ahead and believe fire arrow. I promise I'll flip red for you guys ;)
Wait a second. Guys, there can't be 5 reds in this game
Who are the 5 reds?
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 16, 2014, 08:11:42 PMWait a second. Guys, there can't be 5 reds in this game
no duh einstien
Me and olimar are most definitely red. Blue says mashi and fa are red. FA says blue is red.both claim that they are the seer and the other is a red. The only option is to lynch mashi and see if blue is right since blue seering fa and fa seering blue are mutually exclusive events, we must assume that blue is lying and actually seered fa blue because fa had no reason to fake a seering on blue. But by all means, lynch me instead, it will be crazier that way.
Aka TOBY DONE GOOFED
Oh yeah and that means mashi is agent Phil Coulson. WELCOME TO LEVEL SEVEN
Nos is gonna flip green I bet.
Quote from: Jon on December 16, 2014, 08:30:09 PMNos is gonna flip green I bet.
you mean me and yugi are gonna flip green
Day 2 is over.TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan11. maelstrom
12. Jon
13. blueflower999
NocturneOfShadow, the traitor, has been lynched.
Night 2 ends on Wednesday, 12/17/14, 11:30 PM EST.
well that is... revealing...
Are you for real noc?
ignoring noc being the most annoying traitor to ever exist
This means blueflower has to be a wolf.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on December 16, 2014, 08:35:58 PMNocturneOfShadow, the traitor, has been lynched.
Um, well then.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 16, 2014, 08:33:58 PM you mean me and yugi are gonna flip green
fuck off don't include me in your bullshit
also are you serious guys, why did you vote for the traitor
Why did you guys listen to a wolf and lynch the traitor?
Well done. Kept him alive another day.
Quote from: Toby on December 16, 2014, 11:38:55 PMWhy did you guys listen to a wolf and lynch the traitor?
BECAUSE I THOUGHT HE WAS A WOLF
Usually, somebody who screams "I AM THE TRAITOR" for all to hear
isn't the traitor.
If he were a wolf, you would be applauding us right now. :P
Quote from: FireArrow on December 16, 2014, 06:21:21 PMEhh, BDS brings up a good point. Nocturne
It really all depends on if Mashi being red is made up or not. If blueflower's right, then he's the wolf seer. If blueflower's wrong, then he's the traitor. If blueflower is the traitor, that would explain him "revealing" to the thread his identity.
I can confirm this by seering mashi tonight, so blueflower would make a better day 3 lynch fmpov right now.
Unless you didn't actually seer him, I thought you had already revealed his 'identity'?
Blueflower claimed because unless you lied, the wolves seered him meaning that the wolves know who the real seer is, why should we let the wolves know this information but not the other humans?
Stop picking out stuff that stand out and trying to turn it around and make it suspicious.
Also nocturne was the dumbest lynch I've ever seen, you have a 50% chance to kill a wolf, so what do you do? Lynch the guy who's been talking about a traitor all game, then when gets called on it, be's the most useless human ever, because we know he can't fool us anymore
I'd be applauding just like the time you guys lynched the wolf olimar too early?
Don't you think if a wolf was pretending to be a traitor, the might, idk maybe pick the wolf that's the same colour as a traitor? But wait only the wolf seer is that colour now and he's either Blueflower or firearrow...
Quote from: Toby on December 17, 2014, 12:08:38 AMDon't you think if a wolf was pretending to be a traitor, the might, idk maybe pick the wolf that's the same colour as a traitor? But wait only the wolf seer is that colour now and he's either Blueflower or firearrow...
???
Toby, you are seriously misjudging the NocturneOfShadow lynch.
First of all, you've failed as an alliance leader given your activity. Don't castigate others for making independent decisions as compensation for your lack of leadership. Simply saying "Do such and such," isn't being a leader, it's being authoritarian.
Second, I think you're certainly falling victim to hindsight bias. You act as if it were a clear cut case that NocturneOfShadow was the Traitor. It wasn't.
Third, you act as if lynching the Traitor was actually a bad thing. Chances are that, given his behaviour, the Wolves would not have wolfed him and potentially even seered him. And considering he isn't likely to die during a Night Phase, he's basically a Day Wolf, so getting rid of him may as well be equivalent to lynching a Wolf. I doubt it was NocturneOfShadow's intention, but lynching the Traitor is still a great lynch.
Fourth, there was not a 50% chance of killing a Wolf. And even then, but your logic, there would be a 50% chance of killing the Seer. It's a high risk-high reward lynch and people opted for a low risk-medium reward one, how can you blame them?
Fifth, again, your logic of it being a 50% chance of killing a Wolf. Many people (myself included) believed that blueflower999 was potentially the Traitor. So they opted to lynch whom they believed was a Wolf. Why is that such a terrible thing?
Sixth, are you legitimately mad that we lynched a Wolf Day 1? Really? When a number of Humans believed that FireArrow is potentially our real Seer?
FireArrow, I think a seering on me would be wasteful at this point. Chances are that blueflower999 was sincere and I'm the Miller, so I think it would be more suitable for you to seer someone like BlackDragonSlayer.
osnap
also, lol at toby having a hissyfit at us for our decisions despite the fact that our decisions have been unanimously better than his so far
*consistantly
Anyway, time for some serious talk from me now.
I'm not entirely sure which seer is the real seer, but Blueflower's play (him allowing himself to be lynched, without kicking and screaming) is similar to how he's played in Zombies (where he was human), and other human games. When he was a wolf (bowsers big blast), he tended to get angry and emotional when he was accused, which I don't think happened here. That, and the fact that Firrarrow did all the suspicious stuff I mentioned plus the fact that he produced a red seering on Blueflower when he was suspicious of him, makes me lean towards the fact that Blueflower is the real seer.
Quote from: Yugi on December 17, 2014, 01:28:04 AM*consistantly
Anyway, time for some serious talk from me now.
I'm not entirely sure which seer is the real seer, but Blueflower's play (him allowing himself to be lynched, without kicking and screaming) is similar to how he's played in Zombies (where he was human), and other human games. When he was a wolf (bowsers big blast), he tended to get angry and emotional when he was accused, which I don't think happened here. That, and the fact that Firrarrow did all the suspicious stuff I mentioned plus the fact that he produced a red seering on Blueflower when he was suspicious of him, makes me lean towards the fact that Blueflower is the real seer.
Blue AND FA have red seer'd each other.
Quote from: Mashi on December 17, 2014, 01:06:16 AMToby, you are seriously misjudging the NocturneOfShadow lynch.
First of all, you've failed as an alliance leader given your activity. Don't castigate others for making independent decisions as compensation for your lack of leadership. Simply saying "Do such and such," isn't being a leader, it's being authoritarian.
Second, I think you're certainly falling victim to hindsight bias. You act as if it were a clear cut case that NocturneOfShadow was the Traitor. It wasn't.
Third, you act as if lynching the Traitor was actually a bad thing. Chances are that, given his behaviour, the Wolves would not have wolfed him and potentially even seered him. And considering he isn't likely to die during a Night Phase, he's basically a Day Wolf, so getting rid of him may as well be equivalent to lynching a Wolf. I doubt it was NocturneOfShadow's intention, but lynching the Traitor is still a great lynch.
Fourth, there was not a 50% chance of killing a Wolf. And even then, but your logic, there would be a 50% chance of killing the Seer. It's a high risk-high reward lynch and people opted for a low risk-medium reward one, how can you blame them?
Fifth, again, your logic of it being a 50% chance of killing a Wolf. Many people (myself included) believed that blueflower999 was potentially the Traitor. So they opted to lynch whom they believed was a Wolf. Why is that such a terrible thing?
Sixth, are you legitimately mad that we lynched a Wolf Day 1? Really? When a number of Humans believed that FireArrow is potentially our real Seer?
FireArrow, I think a seering on me would be wasteful at this point. Chances are that blueflower999 was sincere and I'm the Miller, so I think it would be more suitable for you to seer someone like BlackDragonSlayer.
I didn't post in the thread for half a day phase, but I send many Pms to the alliance helping them and helping us try ey more reactions from people, to be honest, even if I had all the time in the world, I still wouldn't have posted in the thread before I did, I had said as soon as the night was finished to the alliance that I was going to keep down low for a bit of the phase just to say how firearrow behaves with his 'seer' result without any intervention from anyone else, and I myself would have intervened the most with anything I said, I highly doubt that not posting in a thread and instead observing your reactions for a while is inactivity that failed you all.
Most of the opinions I heard of with nocturne was that he was either traitor, seer or mason, I think you might have been the only that actually thought he was wolf and firearrow in particular had expressed his opinions on how he thought nocturne was a power role in the chat a few days ago. A traitor lynch lowers our player count, I don't think that gives us much benefit at all, the traitor doesn't need to die for us to win the game.
If we lynch a wolf the seer will die anyway, if we lynch the seer then at least we tried and we can lynch the wolf the next day, consistently leaving the two seer claims alive gives us less and less humans to work with afterwards, and it's not got to the point where my other seer has had to reveal himself in order to try convince you who the real seer actually is.
I highly doubt the traitor would claim seer, given the fact that the wolves have a seer, it's most likely a wolf that would claim and the traitor would leave it to them.
I was mad at the reasoning for it and how firearrow managed to just lift all the accusation from him and put it on olimar instead, even though he was the most suspicious at that point and none of the reasoning really made sense. I will admit, yes it's good we lynched a wolf, but just not the way you guys handled it, it seemed like a name was suggested and everyone just joined the bandwagon.
Quote from: Yugi on December 17, 2014, 01:16:53 AMalso, lol at toby having a hissyfit at us for our decisions despite the fact that our decisions have been unanimously better than his so far
Your decisions to go against me are better than my lynch choices that never even followed through?
Because of my decisions we have an alliance, we have a confirmed human, and if you guys went with my decisions we'd have a wolf dead for sure, possibly another or at least know another, and most likely have our seer still hidden.
Toby, I just haven't liked your judgment from the start. I'm not entirely sure why, but, like mashi said, you seem to be stating unproven things as fact.
Hey, at least NoC will shut up now.........
Quote from: Toby on December 17, 2014, 04:12:57 AMI didn't post in the thread for half a day phase, but I send many Pms to the alliance helping them and helping us try ey more reactions from people, to be honest, even if I had all the time in the world, I still wouldn't have posted in the thread before I did, I had said as soon as the night was finished to the alliance that I was going to keep down low for a bit of the phase just to say how firearrow behaves with his 'seer' result without any intervention from anyone else, and I myself would have intervened the most with anything I said, I highly doubt that not posting in a thread and instead observing your reactions for a while is inactivity that failed you all.
You have you remember, "alliance leader" is a misleading title. Really, you lead the thread, and you failed to do so. You come here and so, "I know this, do this." When I provide a counter argument, you just go, "no, he's wrong, do this anyways cause I said." Mashi and I proceed to have a debate over it and he comes to the conclusion that I'm human - people proceed to read over it and agree with it. You, without ever showing comprehension of what happened come back to say "no, I have information you guys don't so I'm right."
The people in the thread aren't you're loyal subjects who will obey your every whim; if you want them to believe you over me and Mashi, then you'll have to supply just as much evidence and reasoning as us, if not more. You can PM your alliance all you want, but keeping the thread out of the loop as much as you did makes you look like an Authoritarian douche stating his opinion as fact.
tl;dr Most of us here are American, and American's have an irrational (or rational depending on bias) hate for being told what to do - you have to convince us.
QuoteMost of the opinions I heard of with nocturne was that he was either traitor, seer or mason, I think you might have been the only that actually thought he was wolf and firearrow in particular had expressed his opinions on how he thought nocturne was a power role in the chat a few days ago. A traitor lynch lowers our player count, I don't think that gives us much benefit at all, the traitor doesn't need to die for us to win the game.
This is why no one listens to you, because the first part simply isn't true. You can't say "I know what's best" then proceed to show a lack of understanding of the situation.
QuoteIf we lynch a wolf the seer will die anyway, if we lynch the seer then at least we tried and we can lynch the wolf the next day, consistently leaving the two seer claims alive gives us less and less humans to work with afterwards, and it's not got to the point where my other seer has had to reveal himself in order to try convince you who the real seer actually is.
I highly doubt the traitor would claim seer, given the fact that the wolves have a seer, it's most likely a wolf that would claim and the traitor would leave it to them.
I was mad at the reasoning for it and how firearrow managed to just lift all the accusation from him and put it on olimar instead, even though he was the most suspicious at that point and none of the reasoning really made sense. I will admit, yes it's good we lynched a wolf, but just not the way you guys handled it, it seemed like a name was suggested and everyone just joined the bandwagon.
All of the reasons for these decisions are clearly outlined in the thread.
Also, what's with the MIA revive? Did a human claim to have it or not? (You don't need to specify who has it, obviously.)
Quote from: Yugi on December 17, 2014, 01:28:04 AM*consistantly
Anyway, time for some serious talk from me now.
I'm not entirely sure which seer is the real seer, but Blueflower's play (him allowing himself to be lynched, without kicking and screaming) is similar to how he's played in Zombies (where he was human), and other human games. When he was a wolf (bowsers big blast), he tended to get angry and emotional when he was accused, which I don't think happened here. That, and the fact that Firrarrow did all the suspicious stuff I mentioned plus the fact that he produced a red seering on Blueflower when he was suspicious of him, makes me lean towards the fact that Blueflower is the real seer.
I can't refute that my position compared to blueflower's is a lot more wonky, but wonky =/= suspicious. Just because someone does something unconventional (claiming a day late) means absolutely nothing if the action itself is neutral (equally bad decision for both a wolf and human.) IF you want my refute to all the "suspicious stuff" I did, it's in my giant day 1 post.
The bolded part is kinda silly. Blueflower was not lynchable, so if I was a wolf, I'd probably fabricate a red seering on someone who actually was (You, BDS, Jon, (NoS but that would of confirmed he was a traitor.))
Also I fidnt get a revive claim last time, if someone has the revolve now then please claim to me.
^Please.
i can't wait for an inactive to get it again
Also, Mariolegofan probably got the revive, it'd explain why he neither claimed nor had the revive work.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 17, 2014, 07:13:52 AM"no, I have information you guys don't so I'm right."
Isn't this basically what happens in an alliance??? you complain that he has this biased point of view, but you ask that he tells all and risk the alliance in the process?
yes he knows all and we may not know everything he does, but he does have the most important task of protecting the alliance.
Woah, guys!!!
I completely overlooked this, but... I'm actually the Seer! I forgot and thought I was a normal Human all this time, I'm so sorry guys! I don't know how I made the mix up.
Guess that means we have to lynch blueflower999 and FireArrow now!
FireArrow. I believe Mashi's claim.
lol wait guys it turns out i must be blind!!!
I'm actually the Brutal Human (you know I know for sure this time because I have the colour right and everything). I can't believe I let Toby's false claim last so long! Watch out, Toby, I'm coming to you with a vengeance!!!
We should probably lynch FireArrow and blueflower999 just in case though. They're probably both Wolves anyway.
In the meantime though, we mus get rid of the biggest false claimer of them all; Toby!!! Your reign of terror must be put to a stop. Because you are not simply a Brutal Human... but a Brutal Wolf!!!!!!!!!
Toby
But I already counterclaimed brutal human
Guys, I was about to win the game with a decisive wolfing tonight. Jon's plan to lynch me at night however has completely ruined this, my wolfing will be canceled out!
gg wp
brilliant play humans
you got me
whoh, I had a post here before replying to fank but it vanished????
anyway, in the post I said that saying it in a way that wouldn't reveal the alliance (which is pretty easy tbh) is better than going "I AM YOUR LEADER YOU SHOULD LYNCH THIS GUY BECAUSE I REFUSE TO GO AWAY FROM MY OWN STUBBORN VIEWPOINT DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LYNCHED TWO FOR TWO SO FAR"
Also, I claim Serial Killer.
Toby, I cannot allow you to live, you are a threat to my victory condition.
WHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING IN THE NIGHT PHASE?????????
My bad I thought it was the day phase
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 17, 2014, 05:55:12 PMWHY ARE PEOPLE VOTING IN THE NIGHT PHASE?????????
TWC PostVoting for lynches now also occur during the Night Phase.
Night 2 is over.TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar12345
10. mariolegofan11. maelstrom
12. Jon13. blueflower999
fank009, Agent Fitz, has been killed by Hydra..
He sunk to the bottom of the Ocean along with jon, Agent Simmons.
Olimar12345 is alive again due to some recent advancements in science.
Day 3 ends on Friday, 12/17/14, 11:59 PM EST.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's SO GOOD TO BE BACK!
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that explains the revive :P
and blueflower explains the masons :P
:P
Olimar12345
Quote from: Mashi on December 17, 2014, 08:47:47 PMOlimar12345
Care to explain that vote? I'll be in the chat!
Ex-dee!
No. Let's not take out Olimar just yet. While killing him will lynch a wolf, we could take out another wolf today and lynch him tomorrow.
I'm going to look at the thread, and find out who the Master Wolf is. See you sometime.
oh wait a missvote can end the game
Olimar12345
That said, nobody else should vote for Olimar. We need this phase to discuss, and ending the phase early will kill discussion.
Quote from: Yugi on December 17, 2014, 08:55:06 PMNo. Let's not take out Olimar just yet. While killing him will lynch a wolf, we could take out another wolf today and lynch him tomorrow.
I'm going to look at the thread, and find out who the Master Wolf is. See you sometime.
OlimarIf you guys wanna find the 3rd green wolf, he's right here.
Wait, are you implicating me as the clairvoyant?
Lynch olimar today, lynch blueflower tomorrow, then finish off with yugi. gee gee
Thank god NoS is dead-he was getting annoying! What a shame it was that he was ACTUALLY the traitor!
Even if you are a wolf olimar, we can still be in the anti-noc alliance together. <3
Oh, before I post my suspicion list thing, Blueflower seered Mashi red night 2, right?
you are correct
ok
Yugi's list of roles, according to the seers.
If Blueflower is the real seer.
BDS: Human/MW
Yugi: Human/MW
Toby: BH
Mashi: Miller
FA: Wolf
Olimar: Wolf
Thus, if Blueflower is correct, FA and BDS are wolves
If FA is the real seer
Toby: BA
Bf: Wolf
Olimar: Wolf
BDS, Mashi, Me: Human/MW
I'm going to ask this question to the thread, who do you think is the real seer?
yugi i dont even know what those abbreviations are
MW: Master Wolf
BH: Brhtal Human
anything else: names
also what was your seer result, fa
Well let's hope I'm a wolf then so Toby can get his degree!
and my seer result shall be kept super secret
actually it was you being green
Quote from: FireArrow on December 17, 2014, 09:53:15 PMWell let's hope I'm a wolf then so Toby can get his degree!
???
ba... bachelors...
im sry
guise i have a chatlog that will change hte course of this gaem:
log
22:40 *** ORIMAH joined #twgnsm
22:41 ORIMAH IIIIIMMBAAAAACK
22:42 *** ORIMAH is now known as Olimar12345
23:07 *** Nohbdy joined #twgnsm
23:08 Nohbdy *nocturne
23:09 Olimar12345 Oh how the tables have turned! Now look whose dead and can't chat!
23:10 Olimar12345 What a pitty!
23:34 Nohbdy *who's
23:34 Nohbdy *pity
23:46 Olimar12345 ATATAT, you can't chat with the livint
23:46 Olimar12345 not even too correcct mye spoelling!
23:46 Olimar12345 xDDD
23:51 Nohbdy Not sure why you're so jolly
00:11 Olimar12345 AAAAHAHAHAHAHA
00:11 Nohbdy um
00:12 Olimar12345 Hey NoS? cAn I tEll yOU a SEEKrit?
00:12 Nohbdy no
00:12 Olimar12345 I aM tHe TraitoR!
00:13 Olimar12345 fwafwafwafwafwafwafwafwafwafwafwafwafwafwafwa
00:13 Nohbdy good gracious
00:13 Nohbdy are you drunk
00:13 Olimar12345 You can't prove that!
oh damn this is proof that toby is the real traitor!
I have proof.
Spoiler
22:19 FireArrow Toby are you the traitor?
22:19 Toby Nooo how did you figure it out *sobs*
22:20 FireArrow With sheer intelligence!
22:20 Toby omg your really smart
22:20 Toby and hot too
22:20 FireArrow you're*
22:20 Mashi *swoons*
omg you can't impersonate people
Toby, do you think that Blueflower is the real seer?
I really really didn't want to post this because I don't understand it. Seriously, what is even going on??
BDS is red ???
lolololololo omg blueflower999 literally just gave himself away as a wolf
He's made three seerings, all of which were Red results. One on FireArrow, one on me, and finally, one on BlackDragonSlayer.
Olimar12345 and NocturneOfShadow are confirmed Reds.
There are only 4 Reds in the game.
ty blueflower999
Yep, I don't even know. Guess you guys were all stupid for not lynching me yesterday!!!
I don't even have a defense. I realize that my results make no sense and I have no explanation. The chance that Jubert messed up is minimal.
Ouch.
Blue and Olimar are wolves, but who's the MW?
Hail Master Hydra!
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 18, 2014, 03:59:18 AMYep, I don't even know. Guess you guys were all stupid for not lynching me yesterday!!!
I don't even have a defense. I realize that my results make no sense and I have no explanation. The chance that Jubert messed up is minimal.
i voted for you bby ;)
well uh
that fucks up my guess on who the remaining wolves are
Firearrow, when day ends, could you please seer one of Blue's red results, and find out who the miller is?
Sure - Mashi, prepare to be seered.
Quote from: Toby on December 17, 2014, 11:49:53 PMomg you can't impersonate people
u hav no proof
BTW, if Mashi is red, that means that either me or BDS is the master wolf.
Take a shot on who I think it is.
You?
Anyway, Olimar12345
y'know, I keep forgetting maelstrom is in this game
Now my earlier point is no longer meaningful
Yeah, I haven't posted much in the thread recently. If you want a lot of stuff on me, go back to the post where Toby said FA was red. There's a ton of chat logs there.
BDS is green, there was a mix up last night. Jub Jub confused this game with a previous one.
Sorry about that, everyone!
Olimar
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 18, 2014, 03:52:54 PMBDS is green, there was a mix up last night. Jub Jub confused this game with a previous one.
Sorry about that, everyone!
Olimar
Sure.
I really want to vote for you right now, but
Olimar takes priority (even though it probably wouldn't make any difference who I voted for).
s1xsdshod-wkssj kdj
why the fuck did you insta him
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 18, 2014, 03:52:54 PMBDS is green, there was a mix up last night. Jub Jub confused this game with a previous one.
Sorry about that, everyone!
Olimar
TWC PostJub3r7, if a mistake of that nature was made, the game warrants a Reroll. If blueflower999 is lying regarding that a mistake was made, a Reroll will not be necessary.
So now we know if blue was lying or not if this game is rerolled or not...?
I think we should just agree to not take whatever fuckery is going on with Blueflower and his seerings and not put it towards our suspicions.
If the game doesn't Reroll, it's obvious that blueflower999 is a Wolf, since he would have no reason to lie if he were actually Seer. If the game does Reroll, we don't really need to worry about this game since it's been Rerolled.
god, 35 pages before a possible reroll?
That breaks TWG records!
Ugh.....
As long as NoS isn't the traitor again....
I've spoken to Mashi and the host. His post following this one has the TWC stamp of approval.
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One of the two seer roles received false information, but it has since been corrected. The game will continue without a reroll.edit: INSTA
YOU GUYS LYNCHED OLIMAR12345 WHO WAS ACTUALLY A WOLF
WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED
Day 3 is over.TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan11. maelstrom
12. Jon13. blueflower999
Night 4 ends on Friday, 12/19/14, 11:30 PM EST.side note: I'm sending messages regardless of whether or not there is a revive item, just in case you guys are checking who's online!!!!
Ok..........
I really really really hope that the human team can figure its way out now.
okay blueflower999, looks like you are not a confirmed redflower999 as i anticipated
i still suspect you though sry
CHAOS, CHAOS!
Are you insta'd yet?
zkssndsireffyii fuck
Well, as long as I'm getting paid to spam:
hey is there a way i can seppuku i want out of this trainwreck
please kill
me
I guess I'll continue along with my useless spam:
Olimar12345, I'm not sure you realise, but you were Insta'd. Jub3r7 updated the Phase already on the last page.
Quote from: Mashi on December 18, 2014, 10:06:27 PMOlimar12345, I'm not sure you realise, but you were Insta'd. Jub3r7 updated the Phase already on the last page.
didn't catch the edit. Glad you said something, or I would've kept posting probably.
hey wolves if you can kill me that would be gr8 thx
I'm serious.
in case im wolfed:
im guessing olimar12345-blueflower999-blackdragonslayer
if im wolfed, lynch blueflower9999 pls
if im wrong go for firearrow though obvs
but lynch blueflower999 anyways because if im wrong you guys to get to laugh at me or something
but i guess think for yourselves in case other evidence pops up idk
my advice is don't lose!!!
I feel so useless right now because we know everyone's color :P
Why is Blueflower suspicious again???
Because everyone is suspicious.
no don't wolf mashi wolf me
Night 4 is over.TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan11. maelstrom12. Jon13. blueflower999
maelstrom has been snuffed out. NocturneOfShadow is alive again.
So is fank009! But not Jon though. He lost too much oxygen at the bottom of the ocean, he's out of commission.
Day 4 ends on Sunday, 12/21/14, 11:30 PM EST.
god fucking dammit wolves i actually want to die
Are you kidding me noc is back? >_>
For what it's worth, Mashi is red. Kinda forgot to change my seering after blueflower was confirmed to have false results.
Oh, and blueflower because it's effing time to get this over with.
Yugi should also vote for himself
aklsfnalegfj alsfk awlfk awlfnawl jn
WHY ARE YOU BACK
Quote from: Yugi on December 19, 2014, 11:02:06 PMaklsfnalegfj alsfk awlfk awlfnawl jn
WHY ARE YOU BACK
wolves are lucky?
so clears...
Clear humans
Mashi
Fank
Toby
Clear traitor
Nocturne
CC's
BDS/Yugi
FA/Blue
So, a Q to the 4 not cleared...
Who is the Wolf in the other CC?
preferably prefer reasons why
Quote from: FireArrow on December 19, 2014, 10:24:39 PMAre you kidding me noc is back? >_>
For what it's worth, Mashi is red. Kinda forgot to change my seering after blueflower was confirmed to have false results.
Jub admitted he messed up the results
firearrowBecause every reason put on blue, seems to be because of the fact I told him to do it and none of you care or something
Okay, why in the world did the wolves actually revive me over Olimar? Genuinely confused about this.
Also now that I probably won't be dying until wolves win (it WILL happen)
ALSO
Don't follow how more than two people could possibly have been revived. Olimar12345 was revived Night 2, so why were NocturneOfShadow and fank009 revived Night 3? Am I missing something?
Quote from: FireArrow on December 15, 2014, 09:01:12 PMRight now I'm 90% certain that the wolf team is Olimar, Blueflower, and Nocturne. Le reasoning below:
My main reason for thinking this is based on one line of thought: Whoever the wolf team is, they want me lynched day 1. If they're the ones who false claimed seer, they'll know I'm the real seer, so they won't be undecided in their votes. Also, They have no reason to pretend to be ambivalent because not only are they voting for a very suspicious person, they'll be voting alongside Toby, preventing any possible suspicion they could get by tunnel visioning me.
Now, let's look at the 3 people (besides Toby) who follow this logic: Blueflower, NoS, and MLF. Mlf is a confirmed human, so that leaves these 2.
Blueflower: voted me once and never changed it.
NoS: kept his vote on me until past the phase ended, then randomly changed to olimar at the last second even though I'd still be in the majority. (This could be him trying to distance himself from olimar.)
Note: not counting NoS's votes pre-toby.
I do have a bit more:
This is what first gave me a wolf lean on blue. It makes him look human by talking down the wolves, however, the fact is so obvious that he doesn't actually do any damage to his team by saying this. I also find it ironic that the wolves did end up doing this, so this could be blueflower preplanning and dropping evidence to point away from him (e.g. if blueflower thought false claiming was a bad idea, why would he or his team member's do it?)
Really, blueflower hasn't done much, so that's the only thing I have on him (besides him obviously not paying full attention to the thread.)
Everyone knows that nocturne claims to be the traitor, and anyone with a brain knows that it's not true. Not convinced, read these:
(Yes, all of these are after Toby revealed to the thread that he claimed traitor.)
The first one is particularly hilarious, the next few show him obviously playing on the sides of the humans even though he's claimed traitor, the last one is him talking about the traitor in third person. It should be also noted, he's twisted into thinking I'm a wolf, considering he non stop bugs me on mibbit about 'revealing my partners' so we can start a 'wolf alliance.' If he's so certain I'm a wolf, why would he be pushing for my lynch? If he thinks I'm human (trying to get me lynched as the traitor), why would he be sending me private messages on mibbit about me revealing my partners?
All this does is proves he's not the traitor, he could still be a wolf or a mason though (his actions make no sense from the perspective of a human.) As for him being a mason, there's holes in that theory:
1. Toby brought up the fact that he was the "traitor."
2. Unless he's stupid, Toby wouldn't tell anyone in his alliance to follow his accusations like little ducklings, which NoS did.
3. I did a reaction test on Toby and told him that I knew NoS was a miller - Toby preceded to scoff me for being an idiot. Don't have the logs, but fank can be my witness (unless you weren't paying attention.)
None of these 3 things are all that solid, however, the idea of him being a wolf has absolutely no holes. Oh, and also this log:
Spoiler
16:45 fire ...and who claimed to you? //referring to him saying a wolf claimed to him.
16:46 fire And why do you need the other wolf to claim to you, wouldn't s/he just tell you his/her partner?
16:47 Nocturne it might have been a false claim thouh
16:47 Nocturne who'a youe paetner
16:47 fire my partner is patrick
16:47 fire we cook all the krabby patties
16:48 fire Nocturne, you wanna know a secret?
16:48 fire Olimar is a wolf.
16:49 Nocturne whaahahanaat
16:50 Nocturne I thought he was a traiseemoner
16:50 fire That was all part of our plan
16:50 fire You would think he's your traiseemoner partner
16:50 fire and tell us everyone in the alliance
16:51 fire because traiseemoner's have the ability to talk to the dead
16:51 fire that name sucks though
16:51 fire where did the moner come from? >_>
16:51 Nocturne trai=traitor
16:51 Nocturne see=seer
16:51 Nocturne mon=mason
16:52 fire Shouldn't it be Traiseeson?
16:52 Nocturne er=idk part mason part seer part traitor
16:52 Nocturne that sounds worse though
16:52 fire but it's the proper name
16:52 fire just like reviver seed
16:52 Nocturne at least digimon names sound SORT of cool
16:52 Nocturne lol
16:52 Nocturne BDS so on my case in the chat
16:52 Nocturne *thread
16:52 Nocturne go read
16:52 fire I saw
16:53 fire you've been figures out noc
16:53 fire You're actually a traiseemonoolf
16:53 Nocturne traiseemonanolf
16:53 Nocturne human+wolf
16:53 fire oh of course
16:54 fank009 ...
16:54 fank009 hey FA...
16:54 Nocturne It's like the 5 parts of exodia
16:54 fank009 toby has interesting logic...
16:54 fank009 you are the more powerful wolf...
16:54 Nocturne that's one way to put it
16:54 fank009 yet olimar tried to lynch you?
16:54 fire He just has something against me tbh
16:54 fire He would die a little bit on the inside if I was the real seer
16:55 Nocturne dang I wish I had killed you FA //important stuff starts here
16:55 Nocturne but instead I wanted a KitB
16:55 fire ...you're vote was on me when the phase ended
16:55 fire unless you mean you wished you wolfed me >_>
16:56 Nocturne I was keeping it tied
16:56 fire you're*
16:56 Nocturne GO LOOK AT THE CHAT WOMAN
16:56 fire The change to olimar didn't count
16:56 Nocturne AND BY CHAT I MEAN THREAD
16:56 Nocturne AND BY... yeah the rest is pretty much literal
16:56 Nocturne WAIT
16:56 Nocturne BY WOMAN I MEAN MAN
16:56 fire excuse u
16:56 Nocturne almost missed one
16:57 fire ?
16:57 Nocturne what do u mean the change to olimar didn't count
16:57 fire Jub didn't count votes past the time cut off
16:57 fire so it was a kitb
16:57 fire So you saying "you wish you killed me"
16:57 fire makes absolutely no sense
16:58 fire unless either a) you're a wolf, or b) you didn't know that
16:58 Nocturne at 11:30
16:58 Nocturne when phase was supposed to end
16:58 fire PST yes //I did not mean PST >_>
16:58 Nocturne my vote was on firearrow
16:58 fire yes
16:58 Nocturne then olimar voted firearrow
16:58 Nocturne and I switched my vote in response to olimar
16:58 fire 16:55 Nocturne dang I wish I had killed you FA 16:55 Nocturne but instead I wanted a KitB
16:58 fire ^what do you mean by that?
16:59 fank009 I'll be afk...
16:59 fank009 ish
16:59 fire bai
16:59 fire The only possible explanations to it are:
16:59 Nocturne Stop counting votes at 12:30. Sorry for any inconvenience.
16:59 Nocturne oh okay lol
16:59 Nocturne but wait
17:00 Nocturne then FA would have been lynched
17:00 fire You miscounted
17:00 fire it was
17:00 fire a
17:00 fire kitb
17:00 Nocturne then olimar switched votes at 11:31
17:00 fire Yes
17:00 fire 1 minute after the phase ended
17:00 Nocturne JUB SAID 12:30
17:00 fire timezones
17:00 Nocturne WHAT IS GOING ON
17:00 Nocturne He needs to be more specific
17:00 fire tru
17:01 fire This is wolfy
17:01 fire might post in thread
17:01 Nocturne you do realize a "nocturne 4 wolf" push will just make you look more like a wolf
17:02 fire I'm not concerned with whether or not people assume I'm a wolf
17:02 fire Your defense is even more wolfy dude .-.
17:03 Nocturne If toby says I'm the traitor then by George I'm the traitor
17:03 Nocturne !!!
17:03 fire toby also says I'm the wolf
17:04 fire So of all people, you should know I wouldn't be the one to trust his opinion on people
17:04 fire especially a claim that can't be proven
17:04 Nocturne But I'm the traitor
17:04 Nocturne so we gotta stick this out together
17:04 Nocturne oh and I guess we gotta kill fank
17:04 Nocturne NO WITNESSES
17:04 fire
17:05 fire If you are the traitor/a human, you're just as terrible at it as I'd be a terrible wolf
17:05 Nocturne Never been traitor before, sorry
17:06 fire Claiming traitor actually seems like a good strategy for a wolf now that I think about it
17:06 Nocturne alright, I'm going to send you a SUPER PRIVATE MESSAGE
17:06 Nocturne yeah, it actually is
17:06 Nocturne you have an excuse for being red
17:06 fire and the real traitor would never counter claim
17:07 Nocturne and it prevents you from getting lynched
17:07 Nocturne the only problem is if you do it too early you'll just get wolfed
17:07 fire ...how would a wolf get wolfed
17:08 Nocturne oh I mean a traitor would usually get wolfed
17:10 fire So I can either assume you're: a semi intelligent wolf
17:10 fire or a stupid traitor
17:10 fire or a semi intelligent mson
17:10 Nocturne or a genius traiseemoner
17:10 fire traimasolf confirmed
17:10 Nocturne BAM
To clarify:
Apparently Nocturne wished he would of killed me. When I asked him to clarify, he meant not changing his vote to olimar. This is incorrect on 2 accounts because a) I was still the majority after NoS changed to olimar, and b) Jub wasn't counting votes then anyways (yes, this log was after jub updated.)
It's entirely possible NoS simply goofed up on both those facts, however, his defense is just... .-.
17:01 Nocturne you do realize a "nocturne 4 wolf" push will just make you look more like a wolf
17:03 Nocturne If toby says I'm the traitor then by George I'm the traitor
17:03 Nocturne !!!
I'd still prefer to lynch blue because he's red. While I do have good evidence against NoS, it's all theoretical.
Oh, and a rant against Toby:
Spoiler
Can I point out how stupid your conjecture that Nocturne is the traitor and I'm the wolf is. Those two things are mutually exclusive! Oh, and how olimar was trying to "protect me" as the "more powerful wolf" even though he changed the KitB to be in his favor without any way of knowing that Jub wouldn't count it.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL YOU WERE SO WRONG
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
EVEN IF FIREARROW'S THE REEL SEER HE'S NOT A VERY GOOD ONE
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL LET'S LYNCH HIM
Quote from: FireArrow on December 16, 2014, 07:06:24 PM...
No one vote blueflower, unless you're blind, it's pretty obvious he's trying to save NoS.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
DYING
CRYING
TRYING
NOT TO
Quote from: Mashi on December 20, 2014, 11:00:26 AMDon't follow how more than two people could possibly have been revived. Olimar12345 was revived Night 2, so why were NocturneOfShadow and fank009 revived Night 3? Am I missing something?
The revive can be saved for as long as you like
Quote from: Toby on December 20, 2014, 04:05:47 AMJub admitted he messed up the results
firearrow
Because every reason put on blue, seems to be because of the fact I told him to do it and none of you care or something
What about my arguments???
Anyway, will post my full thoughts when I get the chance
Quote from: Toby on December 20, 2014, 12:10:51 PMThe revive can be saved for as long as you like
I understand, but why were there three revives (Olimar12345, NocturneOfShadow, fnak009) and not two when the only time revive Items were distributed were Nights 2 and 3?
Great to have you back Nocturne. Bravo to whoever revived him. XD
Anyway, Fire Arrow is not the Seer. I say we lynch him for reasons that have been previously said over nine thousand times.
Quote from: Toby on December 20, 2014, 04:05:47 AMBecause every reason put on blue, seems to be because of the fact I told him to do it and none of you care or something
Still means that he can change what results he was given, and what color he got to the thread.
Quote from: Mashi on December 20, 2014, 12:33:28 PMI understand, but why were there three revives (Olimar12345, NocturneOfShadow, fnak009) and not two when the only time revive Items were distributed were Nights 2 and 3?
you're forgetting night 4
I'm kinda burnt out on this game, so if you guys don't trust me any more, just use my card flip to confirm blue and yugi/bds (gl on the last one.)
It should be noted, if you guys mislynch me today, it's lynch or lose next day phase (assuming NoS helps the wolves.)
Quote from: FireArrow on December 20, 2014, 01:15:32 PMI'm kinda burnt out on this game, so if you guys don't trust me any more, just use my card flip to confirm blue and yugi/bds (gl on the last one.)
It should be noted, if you guys mislynch me today, it's lynch or lose next day phase (assuming NoS helps the wolves.)
That's also assuming humans get the revive
Otherwise they have 3/3 next phase
if the 12.5 chance of a revive happens and it hits a wolf, i'd be legit surprised
Quote from: fank009 on December 20, 2014, 03:07:31 PMThat's also assuming humans get the revive
Otherwise they have 3/3 next phase
Eww your right. Guys I kinda wanna win this, please don't be stupid today.
I'm inclined to believe FireArrow more because I did something very similar as a seer once (probably more than once, but once that I can remember recently :P). Toby seems to be clinging to Blueflower solely because of his disbelief that a wolf could infiltrate the alliance, rather than evaluating each claimer for their virtues.
I just want to point out that if we lynch the correct wolf today, we've basically won since we have a mislynch opportunity after that (meaning that the only two candidates for master wolf, me and bds can both die freely).
So, blueflower, Firearrow. Tell me why I shouldn't vote for one of you.
Don't forget... you have to lynch ME first!
No we don't c:
... So.
Information from inside the alliance...
Night 1- Toby tells us that someone is refusing not to claim, and gets FA scanned. Day 1, Blue reports back that FA is red... I was watching interaction between FA/Noct, and from that chat he did give what felt like human tells. and then FA comes out as seer. and yeah, world was turned upside down a bit.
I personally think toby's somewhat short sighted... but he does show some common sense, though not a lot of trying to sway my opinion)
at this point of time, it does not matter who we lynch, wether we lynch seers or "greens" it still produces the same results, Mislynch/lose with noct forcing parity... unless we get the revive this phase
Quote from: Yugi on December 20, 2014, 06:30:45 PMI just want to point out that if we lynch the correct wolf today, we've basically won since we have a mislynch opportunity after that (meaning that the only two candidates for master wolf, me and bds can both die freely).
So, blueflower, Firearrow. Tell me why I shouldn't vote for one of you.
The reason why you should vote for me?
Look at my reactions and defenses day one when I was "seered" red. You can my giant posts defending myself from a logical stand point. Now look at day 2 when I seered blueflower red, his defense is basically "I'm not red."
It's also important to point out that NoS is the traitor, and NoS was one of the main people trying to lynch me. Unless he really is living up to the name of traitor, he'd most definitely defend the real wolf - blueflower.
I hate not being able to edit goddamnit.
TBH it's weird that we found all the reds so fast. but I'm thinking FireArrow's seerings are way more random and vague than blue's are. Also FireArrow was very insistent on my being a wolf. If we did even accept him as the seer, how do we know he wouldn't just screw up again and mislynch the green vs the master hydra.
What i can't fathom, though, is the choice of seering blue before blue was even acknowledged as a wolf threat. If you were a wolf you wouldn't have a reason to seer him at that particular point...
And WHY is everyone forgetting about Maelstrom
he's in this game too, it's not down to BDS or Yugi for Master Hydra 2028
And oh you know what what if the humans revived me
that'd be weird.
I dunno if anyone else feels this way but I'm still comfortable lynching
FireArrow (instead of Yugi :( )because of how much of a lame duck he is. Until we lynch one of them we'll stay in this awkward phase where we pretend we want to kill one of them and then decide to kill the traitor on one of those supposed seers' insistence...
But there's also the fact that the masons got hit. Makes me agree with fank that the wolves were just hunting for masons and got lucky. ergo blue not the wolf?
Quote from: FireArrow on December 20, 2014, 08:55:31 PMThe reason why you should vote for me?
Look at my reactions and defenses day one when I was "seered" red. You can my giant posts defending myself from a logical stand point. Now look at day 2 when I seered blueflower red, his defense is basically "I'm not red."
It's also important to point out that NoS is the traitor, and NoS was one of the main people trying to lynch me. Unless he really is living up to the name of traitor, he'd most definitely defend the real wolf - blueflower.
You're assuming I know whom the wolves are
You're also assuming that people will actually listen to this bull when you literally said the exact opposite-that blue was trying to defend ME.
Parry THAT.
I don't think I'll ever understand you. If anyone's interested in my defense from Noc, I'll give it, but I really don't think I need to.
Oh, just remembered this too:
Nocturne of Shadow has cardflipped and revived, so the wolves would have contacted him by now. That being said, he's pushing a lynch on me. If this isn't proof blueflower's the wolf I don't know what is.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 20, 2014, 09:33:57 PMOh, just remembered this too:
Nocturne of Shadow has cardflipped and revived, so the wolves would have contacted him by now. That being said, he's pushing a lynch on me. If this isn't proof blueflower's the wolf I don't know what is.
unless GAMBITS
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 12:22:44 AMunless GAMBITS
Yes NoS, vote for me to confuse these incolent fools! Mwahahaha!!!
Oh yeah, and blueflower is much more compatible with olimar than I am. I swear, these things will keep randomly coming back to me.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 20, 2014, 08:55:31 PMNow look at day 2 when I seered blueflower red, his defense is basically "I'm not red."
To be fair, it's really hard to defend yourself againist a seering. In TWG 47, I was seered purple, and the only thing that saved me was the fact that I had chatlogged BDS and said that I knew that I was a miller before it became common knowledge. Most players (including bird and thiannon ;) )normally keel over against a seering.
Also, I'm going to be rereading the thread soon, so I'll be able to vote.
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 12:40:12 AMTo be fair, it's really hard to defend yourself againist a seering. In TWG 47, I was seered purple, and the only thing that saved me was the fact that I had chatlogged BDS and said that I knew that I was a miller before it became common knowledge. Most players (including bird and thiannon ;) )normally keel over against a seering.
Also, I'm going to be rereading the thread soon, so I'll be able to vote.
Ya know, I really hope you aren't the green wolf. Reading the thread is an awesome idea, that way I don't have to keep regurgitating stuff.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 10, 2014, 12:43:24 PMAlso just a reminder to the wolves that false claiming to Toby is a really risky strategy in this game due to the cardflip.
lol
hey fank, did FA know who the masons were?
FA: When was the last time you played TWG in any format?
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 13, 2014, 08:10:22 PMAre you kidding me guys, Olimar is not a wolf. A wolf wouldn't vote for themself.
?
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 15, 2014, 06:14:14 PMNo?I'm pretty sure the deal was that if the Masons weren't wolfed tonight, then the alliance hadn't been infiltrated by a wolf,
!!!
ok finished reading, and I think BF is the wolf. I'll explain once I get my answers from fank and fa.
also Blueflower
Spoiler
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 20, 2014, 09:01:57 PMTBH it's weird that we found all the reds so fast. but I'm thinking FireArrow's seerings are way more random and vague than blue's are. Also FireArrow was very insistent on my being a wolf. If we did even accept him as the seer, how do we know he wouldn't just screw up again and mislynch the green vs the master hydra.
What i can't fathom, though, is the choice of seering blue before blue was even acknowledged as a wolf threat. If you were a wolf you wouldn't have a reason to seer him at that particular point...
And WHY is everyone forgetting about Maelstrom
he's in this game too, it's not down to BDS or Yugi for Master Hydra 2028
And oh you know what what if the humans revived me
that'd be weird.
I dunno if anyone else feels this way but I'm still comfortable lynching FireArrow (instead of Yugi :( )because of how much of a lame duck he is. Until we lynch one of them we'll stay in this awkward phase where we pretend we want to kill one of them and then decide to kill the traitor on one of those supposed seers' insistence...
But there's also the fact that the masons got hit. Makes me agree with fank that the wolves were just hunting for masons and got lucky. ergo blue not the wolf?
You're assuming I know whom the wolves are
You're also assuming that people will actually listen to this bull when you literally said the exact opposite-that blue was trying to defend ME.
Parry THAT.
QuoteWhat i can't fathom, though, is the choice of seering blue before blue was even acknowledged as a wolf threat. If you were a wolf you wouldn't have a reason to seer him at that particular point...
-I may have been responsible for that... in chats I was giving a lot of ideas as that they may have been in toby's crew... but he also has gained human points for that scan
QuoteAnd WHY is everyone forgetting about Maelstrom
Mael was the NK
As FA stated, he made a good point that you could just be looking to lynch him... (though this can be a ploy to win my vote...)
QuoteBut there's also the fact that the masons got hit. Makes me agree with fank that the wolves were just hunting for masons and got lucky. ergo blue not the wolf?
... you know how ployish this is???
Anyway.. Enough stalling I've had cases its time to rattle them out.
-FA for humanity
-Chat on day 1, damm I wish I had this for a more of an explanation but Nocts grill on FA and his reaction seemed really genuine, he didn't really back down at least. FA's whole D1 play feels really human.
-Olimar's hugging to FA.
This is a point for humanity for the argument of it all being a setup, the vote is just an extra cherri on top of the sundae
-Trying to ML against person unknown
lets face it... he is trying to mislynch an unknown identity
-Seering blue
the reasons behind seering blue, well biased, are definetly human...
Fa Against humanity
-N1 not claiming...
it was a stupid decision, and depending on the scum team, I think I can see this lot umming and ahing about wether to claim or not
-Olimars hugging,
there was a lot of defense, and being the wolf seer looking for the traitor, he was a very important role
-BDS is backing up
seems like a biased point of view on my behalf.
FA Neutral arguments
-Masons dying. Noct has somewhat of a point... that just hammering along and finally hit... although the argument of blue not sacking, given the circumstances, it called for a sack.
-Seering blue
given that I gave FA the idea of They might be in the alliance...
Blueflower For humanity
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Quote from: blueflower999 on December 10, 2014, 12:43:24 PMAlso just a reminder to the wolves that false claiming to Toby is a really risky strategy in this game due to the cardflip.
take out mashi's traitor theory... would blue do this??? he is playing up huge brownie points otherwise... and it seems unnecesary to say when CCing.
Blue Against humanity
-"FA is a wolf"
Very weak reasoning... it is an easy ploy to shrug off, and seeing how he was snug he is in toby's alliance... and toby sold, it doesnt give that much of a lee way.
Neutral arguments
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 13, 2014, 08:10:22 PMAre you kidding me guys, Olimar is not a wolf. A wolf wouldn't vote for themself.
considering it is typically a human play... I dont see how this can be seen as a wolf tell, as even I was thinking that way.
I may do a case of BDS vs Yugi, but it's going to be biased to one side... (guess which one)
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Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 12:56:15 AMhey fank, did FA know who the masons were?
no we didnt say out right... these are the masons...
though I was screaming at the end of day 2 though...
If we mislynch this Phase, Wolves can force the game into a KitB if they want, but at the risk of losing the game if the revival is distributed to a Human. It would actually be safest to lynch NocturneOfShadow.
I've repeated this a number of times, but my primary suspicion is on blueflower999, so if we're not going to take the safe route of lynching NocturneOfShadow, I would rather see blueglower999 lynched.
I love you guys. I've been asking you to lynch me for days in order to clear up this whole Seer issue, but now only when the entire game hinges on getting the right lynch do you actually decide to go through with it. Well done!
Quote from: FireArrow on December 20, 2014, 09:33:57 PMOh, just remembered this too:
Nocturne of Shadow has cardflipped and revived, so the wolves would have contacted him by now. That being said, he's pushing a lynch on me. If this isn't proof blueflower's the wolf I don't know what is.
I don't see this as a valid point. Considering that you've done nothing but complain the whole game about how annoying Nocturne was, I doubt you'd trust him with your identities as wolves.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 21, 2014, 12:26:27 AMOh yeah, and blueflower is much more compatible with olimar than I am. I swear, these things will keep randomly coming back to me.
Don't know what this means.
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 02:18:43 AMok finished reading, and I think BF is the wolf. I'll explain once I get my answers from fank and fa.
Go ahead and do this so I can defend myself, if you please.
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 02:45:40 AM-"FA is a wolf"
You're forgetting that I don't need logic to vote for Fire Arrow because I know with 100% certainty that he's a wolf, and he could say the same thing to me. I don't have to justify my vote if I don't want to, although I suppose doing that would make me look more human, I don't really see the point.
The only thing I really need to use logic for is to defend myself from your attacks, which is hard to do considering how weak these allegations are.
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 01:20:43 AMFA: When was the last time you played TWG in any format?
The last game I played was game of doors.
Well technically it was BDS's Umbra game, but that doesn't really count since the game ended almost immediately.
I haven't played TWG outside of NSM once I started on NSM. Before I played real time scripted mafia on PO, but I'm not sure how much that can apply to the metagame here.
And no, I never knew the masons. The only PM Toby sent me the entire game was "Seer Yugi."
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 21, 2014, 11:19:58 AMI love you guys. I've been asking you to lynch me for days in order to clear up this whole Seer issue, but now only when the entire game hinges on getting the right lynch do you actually decide to go through with it. Well done!
We didn't lynch you day 2 because we thought Mashi was right that you were the traitor. We didn't lynch you day 3 because why the hell would we when Olimar's alive? It's definitely safer now if we lynched NoS, if you'd rather do that?
QuoteI don't see this as a valid point. Considering that you've done nothing but complain the whole game about how annoying Nocturne was, I doubt you'd trust him with your identities as wolves.
...Blue.
He CARDFLIPPED.
He's a CONFIRMED TRAITOR.
QuoteDon't know what this means.
It should be very clear. Olimar being my wolf partner is much less likely than him being yours.
QuoteYou're forgetting that I don't need logic to vote for Fire Arrow because I know with 100% certainty that he's a wolf, and he could say the same thing to me. I don't have to justify my vote if I don't want to, although I suppose doing that would make me look more human, I don't really see the point.
You need logic to convince everyone else, hence why I haven't just been going "I know blue's the wolf because I'm not!" You're making the same mistake Toby did - people aren't puppets, they think for themselves.
QuoteThe only thing I really need to use logic for is to defend myself from your attacks, which is hard to do considering how weak these allegations are.
If they were weak then it would be pretty easy.
The fact is, though, that I am the traitor and you all knew it.
But you're right that I should be helping the wolves instead of the humans...
blueflower999
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 11:59:27 AMThe fact is, though, that I am the traitor and you all knew it.
But you're right that I should be helping the wolves instead of the humans...
blueflower999
Isn't this basically a confession that I'm human and Fire Arrow is a wolf? Fire, your logic doesn't stand anymore. :P
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 21, 2014, 12:28:14 PMIsn't this basically a confession that I'm human and Fire Arrow is a wolf? Fire, your logic doesn't stand anymore. :P
2:29 is moi
Why FireArrow is the real seer, and blueflower is a wolf- Made the really weird posts that I quoted on pages 39-40. These tie in to the other reasons.
- Apparently, FA wasn't told about the masons, so if blueflower was told, he could have chosen to not wolf them night two to implicate FA more, and considering that the last wolf is either me or BDS, one of us could have come up with the idea and shared it with him
- Even though it was against a red seering, defense wasn't convincing, being "you're a wolf, I shouldn't listen to you" rather than bringing up actual points.
- Every point that mashi brought up
- While the seerings have been helpful, they seem too convinient for everyone. On players that were considered suspicious to Toby, you came up with two red seerings, seeming like a way to an easy lynch of both.
- fank, who was the less obvious special out of him and Jon, looked like he was the one wolfed. This to me seems more like the alliance was infiltrated than a random wolfing to me; especially givin the fact that everybody was saying "if both masons die then other seer is a wolf" (meaning that the wolfing could be delayed a day so that suspicion was off the other wolf)
I'll produce more points later.
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Also, just because Noctorne voted for BF doesn't mean that he's not a wolf. It could easily be reverse psycology.
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 01:20:48 PMAlso, just because Noctorne voted for BF doesn't mean that he's not a wolf. It could easily be reverse psycology.
Exactly!
wtf I don't even
FireArrow
There now it's 3 for FireArrow(blueflower,Nocturne,toby)
3 for blueflower999(firearrow, Mashi, Yugi)
Blueflower
...
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 04:34:15 PMand you are doing what now???
Voting for Blueflower. :P
fank. I don't trust this lynch now one bit.
Actually, BDS. MAY AS WELL PUT IT ON A WOLF
BDS
I would prefer this lynch...
it does NOT matter wether we lynch seers or potential MW. the result is the same. I feel a lot more confident in BDS vs yugi than I do FA vs Blue.
(and you guys still havent answered my Q, in the other pair who is the wolf?)
BDS!!!
gee whiz guys WHO ARE WE LYNCHING TONIGHT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 04:56:24 PMBDS
I would prefer this lynch...
it does NOT matter wether we lynch seers or potential MW. the result is the same. I feel a lot more confident in BDS vs yugi than I do FA vs Blue.
(and you guys still havent answered my Q, in the other pair who is the wolf?)
So, let me get this straight... you'd rather lynch somebody who isn't a wolf (from my perspective :P), rather than somebody who very likely is a wolf (Blueflower)?
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 04:46:14 PMfank. I don't trust this lynch now one bit.
Also, speaking of which, I don't understand why Yugi would change his vote. I think he was waiting for me to vote for Blueflower so he could shake up trust of the lynch (given that fank is already doubtful of me).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 05:06:46 PMAlso, speaking of which, I don't understand why Yugi would change his vote. I think he was waiting for me to vote for Blueflower so he could shake up trust of the lynch (given that fank is already doubtful of me).
You voted for blueflower out of nowhere, and you're the master wolf from my perspective. I have every right to not trust the lynch now.
If you want reasons why I'm not the master wolf, go ahead and ask.
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 05:08:40 PMYou voted for blueflower out of nowhere, and you're the master wolf from my perspective. I have every right to not trust the lynch now.
If you want reasons why I'm not the master wolf, go ahead and ask.
Out of nowhere? What do you mean by that? I have made it clear that I believe FireArrow to be the real seer; because Nocturne is the traitor, it would follow that I think Blueflower is a wolf.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 05:04:19 PMSo, let me get this straight... you'd rather lynch somebody who isn't a wolf (from my perspective :P), rather than somebody who very likely is a wolf (Blueflower)?
...
Quite the opposite really...
and can't blueflower make that same argument?
I see you more as a wolf than Blueflower. and Im more confident in you flipping then the seers...
in the chat if anyone wants
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 21, 2014, 04:59:31 PMgee whiz guys WHO ARE WE LYNCHING TONIGHT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS
... and you would have problems because???
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 04:57:27 PMBDS!!!
hi there.
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Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 05:06:46 PMAlso, speaking of which, I don't understand why Yugi would change his vote. I think he was waiting for me to vote for Blueflower so he could shake up trust of the lynch (given that fank is already doubtful of me).
There it is...
FYI, I encouraged it ;)
chat logs
13:38 fank009 yugi...
13:42 Yugikun yeah I'm not trusting this lynch at all now
13:43 fank009 ...
13:43 fank009 here's my logic...
13:43 fank009 find the scum in you/BDS
13:43 fank009 then find his partner.
13:44 fank009 you have really been open this phase...
13:44 fank009 compared to BDS
13:44 Yugikun do you know when the phase ends
13:44 fank009 who's been clingy...
13:44 fank009 about 3hrs give/take?
13:45 fank009 anyway...
13:45 fank009 A BDS/FA/Olimar team...
13:45 fank009 I can see delaying the claim.
13:45 Yugikun I'm going to remove my vote for blueflower, if that's okay
13:45 fank009 sure...
13:46 Yugikun (sorry for voting for you, I don't think you have any votes on you, so)
13:47 fank009 ... its a good safety...
13:47 fank009 heck fmpov BDS is a better safety
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Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 05:08:40 PMYou voted for blueflower out of nowhere, and you're the master wolf from my perspective. I have every right to not trust the lynch now.
If you want reasons why I'm not the master wolf, go ahead and ask.
It wasnt a vote out of nowhere... he indicated that he thought FA was the seer, but I agree that its an opportunity vote
Wait a second FireArrow
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 05:10:06 PMIt wasnt a vote out of nowhere... he indicated that he thought FA was the seer, but I agree that its an opportunity vote
I would have voted for Blueflower anyway; Nocturne's vote for FireArrow merely prompted more immediate action, so-to-say (plus, the end of the phase is coming up rather soon, so it's better to vote earlier rather than right before the end of the phase). It's pretty obvious that Yugi is just trying to shake up trust in the lynch (as I said earlier), because you already don't trust me in the first place.
Maelstrom
don't forget about him guys
he's been so inactive I wouldn't doubt that he's actually the wolf
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 05:14:36 PMI would have voted for Blueflower anyway; Nocturne's vote for FireArrow merely prompted more immediate action, so-to-say (plus, the end of the phase is coming up rather soon, so it's better to vote earlier rather than right before the end of the phase). It's pretty obvious that Yugi is just trying to shake up trust in the lynch (as I said earlier), because you already don't trust me in the first place.
you still miss the point, I encouraged Yugi to vote for you... how is he shaking up the lynch when its me pulling the strings? Yugi was just fine to put a safety on john doe. his unvote doesn't shake up trust in the lynch... the whole shaking up trust in the lynch is my doing... you are NOT lynching yugi on this principle, and now more than ever, I want your lynch the most. from a lean that was the best thing, to something that I will put the farm on, lynching you BDS, will reveal your partner, and give us the game. in the instance that I am wrong... GG anyway.
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Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 05:17:06 PMMaelstrom
don't forget about him guys
he's been so inactive I wouldn't doubt that he's actually the wolf
He's dead.
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 05:20:16 PMReplies
He's dead.
Are you kidding? I could have sworn he was alive the whole time :/
okay then...
NocturneOfShadow
I know Fire Arrow is a wolf, but if we're going to go for a lynch between Yugi and BDS, I think BDS is the more suspicious culprit. I have reasons but they have to do with the whole Seering thing and I don't think that's even permissible to use as evidence, so I'm not going to post it.
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 05:20:16 PMyou still miss the point, I encouraged Yugi to vote for you... how is he shaking up the lynch when its me pulling the strings? Yugi was just fine to put a safety on john doe. his unvote doesn't shake up trust in the lynch... the whole shaking up trust in the lynch is my doing... you are NOT lynching yugi on this principle, and now more than ever, I want your lynch the most.
That's my point- it's what Yugi wanted (to lynch a human, while making you think you're the one leading the lynch; speaking of which, from the chatlog, it actually seems that Yugi was uncertain of the lynch before you were, which would also fit with my ideas). Everything you say about me could also apply to Yugi, and if anything, Yugi's Blueflower vote is even more suspicious than you claim mine is (yet, you didn't say anything about him, because, as I said, you are predisposed to suspect me no matter what :P). It's quite apparant that Yugi and Blueflower are wolves together (rather than Yugi and FireArrow; with Yugi's earlier vote only being something to redirect suspicion away from their possible pairing).
Quotefrom a lean that was the best thing, to something that I will put the farm on, lynching you BDS, will reveal your partner, and give us the game. in the instance that I am wrong... GG anyway.
If you lynch me, then you'll be down a human with two wolves and a traitor remaining. You seem to be
perfectly fine with taking an illogical risk to do something that will not even accomplish what you're trying to. Do you realize how
INANE you are being?
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 21, 2014, 05:29:12 PMI know Fire Arrow is a wolf, but if we're going to go for a lynch between Yugi and BDS, I think BDS is the more suspicious culprit. I have reasons but they have to do with the whole Seering thing and I don't think that's even permissible to use as evidence, so I'm not going to post it.
Double standards, eh Fank?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 05:31:47 PMDo you realize how INANE you are being?
SHOTS FIREDThat is a vote.
Um, guys?
This is pretty big.
Spoiler
19:36 Mashi ya im a wolf
Spoiler
Mashi
Quote from: Yugi on December 19, 2014, 10:23:15 PMgod fucking dammit wolves i actually want to die
Still think
Yugi is a wolf
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 01:20:19 PMWhy FireArrow is the real seer, and blueflower is a wolf
- Made the really weird posts that I quoted on pages 39-40. These tie in to the other reasons.
- Apparently, FA wasn't told about the masons, so if blueflower was told, he could have chosen to not wolf them night two to implicate FA more, and considering that the last wolf is either me or BDS, one of us could have come up with the idea and shared it with him
- Even though it was against a red seering, defense wasn't convincing, being "you're a wolf, I shouldn't listen to you" rather than bringing up actual points.
- Every point that mashi brought up
- While the seerings have been helpful, they seem too convinient for everyone. On players that were considered suspicious to Toby, you came up with two red seerings, seeming like a way to an easy lynch of both.
- fank, who was the less obvious special out of him and Jon, looked like he was the one wolfed. This to me seems more like the alliance was infiltrated than a random wolfing to me; especially givin the fact that everybody was saying "if both masons die then other seer is a wolf" (meaning that the wolfing could be delayed a day so that suspicion was off the other wolf)
I'll produce more points later.
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Everyone who blue seered red was also seered red by firearrow (everyone being mashi).
So basically, if the masons died night 1, night 2, night 3, night 4, night 5 and so on, Blueflower is a wolf? There is no chance that the wolves would have decided to wolf the most human looking person, fank, and wolf him since there is no suspicion on him at all???
Quote from: Toby on December 21, 2014, 05:57:58 PMThere is no chance that the wolves would have decided to wolf the most human looking person, fank, and wolf him since there is no suspicion on him at all???
I don't think Fank was ever "the most human looking person" until he was wolfed. :P
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NocturneOfShadow
BDS
FireArrow
NocturneOfShadow
Toby
Blueflower999
Yugi
I'll do a Fank and say: ...
TWC Post
Traitors are permitted to vote for multiple Players at once because time dilation.
sweeeeeet
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 06:06:12 PMBDS
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 06:06:32 PMFireArrow
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 06:06:55 PMNocturneOfShadow
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 06:08:39 PMToby
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 06:08:55 PMBlueflower999
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 06:09:08 PMYugi
NocturneOfShadow
Assuming I can do math we have 1 on blue 2 on me and 3 on BDS
There's an FA vote as well.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 21, 2014, 05:29:12 PMI know Fire Arrow is a wolf, but if we're going to go for a lynch between Yugi and BDS, I think BDS is the more suspicious culprit. I have reasons but they have to do with the whole Seering thing and I don't think that's even permissible to use as evidence, so I'm not going to post it.
Woah woah woah woah
Woah
We are lynching either me or blueflower today period.
FireArrowI'm not going to live another day having to defend myself from this stupid situation. I agree that BDS is much more likely the wolf than Yugi, however, I suggest we lynch him tomorrow.
what
"hey, this person is a wolf, LET'S VOTE FOR MYSELF"
I think both Blueflower and Yugi voting for me is quite the red flag. But then again, none of you ever listen... :(
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 08:20:51 PMwhat
"hey, this person is a wolf, LET'S VOTE FOR MYSELF"
what
"hey, we have two people one is guaranteed to be a wolf, LET'S VOTE FOR THIS RANDOM GUY OVER THERE"
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 08:22:16 PMI think both Blueflower and Yugi voting for me is quite the red flag. But then again, none of you ever listen... :(
hey, we have teams sorted...
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 08:24:04 PMhey, we have teams sorted...
...or you're just
that dedicated to going after me.
BDS gettin' razzed
Mashi for reasons discussed earlier
NocturneofShadow
This is ridiculous guys. We have to lynch a wolf this phase, but we opt for the riskiest lynch. At least the NoS lynch doesn't have a 50% chance of losing.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 08:25:47 PM...or you're just that dedicated to going after me.
or maybe I just want to be right about someone this game :/\
Quote from: FireArrow on December 21, 2014, 08:26:54 PMNocturneofShadow
This is ridiculous guys. We have to lynch a wolf this phase, but we opt for the riskiest lynch. At least the NoS lynch doesn't have a 50% chance of losing.
Hey look, logic
FA
we'll lose a clear... knowing how the game's going more than likely me :/
sure, ya just gotta keep the votes on me ::)
you probably still think I'm a wolf >.>
NocturneOfShadow
EXODIA, AWAKEN
I don't see any potential benefits from lynching Nocturne considering that has a 0% chance of being helpful. :P
FA, if we lynch NOS, we lose our one myslynch, so you should take your vote off!
WAIT NO TAKE IT OFF NOW PLEASE
Nocturne
rip me
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 08:28:05 PMHey look, logic
FA
we'll lose a clear... knowing how the game's going more than likely me :/
Fank, we can't lynch a human this phase. Why are you going for the green wolves before the red ones? I'm 100% on your dead BDS ship, but it's not time to set sail.
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 08:29:24 PMFA, if we lynch NOS, we lose our one myslynch, so you should take your vote off!
We never had a mislynch in reality
OPIQNWEFoaiewnfaowifnoIAWND
FUCK THIS GAME
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 08:29:24 PMFA, if we lynch NOS, we lose our one myslynch, so you should take your vote off!
We don't have one mislynch, that's why this BDS lynch is so stupid.
FA, YOU'RE LYNCHING A HUMAN RIGHT NOW, TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF NOCTORNE
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 08:31:57 PMFA, YOU'RE LYNCHING A HUMAN RIGHT NOW, TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF NOCTORNE
Yugi, think!
If we lynch BDS and we're wrong, Nocturne of shadow will vote against the humans because he's the traitor forcing a kitb.
I want to lynch blueflower, who most definitely isn't human, but you decided to go for the green wolves, and area with MUCH LESS EVIDENCE.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 21, 2014, 08:31:40 PMWe don't have one mislynch, that's why this BDS lynch is so stupid.
...
Its not stupid.
if mael was still alive maybe... because there would be more options for MW. but there are 2 options for master wolf, just like there are two options for seers. both shot is a 50-50 shot...
Noct was a BAD LYNCH in the sense that it prolongs the game, and gives wolves a greater chance to recieve the revive.
QuoteDay 4 ends on Sunday, 12/21/14, 11:30 PM EST.
I think the phase already ended (technically)?
of this is not evidence of a FA/BDS team, I dont know what will be.
to whoever's alive in the next phases, hammer it quickly
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 08:34:17 PMif mael was still alive maybe... because there would be more options for MW. but there are 2 options for master wolf, just like there are two options for seers. both shot is a 50-50 shot...
Noct was a BAD LYNCH in the sense that it prolongs the game, and gives wolves a greater chance to recieve the revive.
a) lynch blueflower who has mounds of evidence
b) lynch BDS who has a little bit of evidence
c) lynch NoS with minimal risk/reward.
I'm opting for c not because it's our best options but because it isn't this ridiculously low percentage shot that could lose us the game (that is b.)
It's not low percentage, it's 50-50.
Just take your vote of Nos.
FireArrow
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 08:36:02 PMof this is not evidence of a FA/BDS team, I dont know what will be.
to whoever's alive in the next phases, hammer it quickly
Except I want nothing more than to lynch BDS.
Goddamnit fank, just because you have some secret sense that tells you he's a wolf doesn't mean you lynch him at the absolutely most risky time in the game to do it.
My plan was to lynch blueflower today, get wolfed tonight after being confirmed human, and you guys finish off with BDS. GG we win. Doing it out of order just adds a bunch of unnecessary risk I'm not willing to take.
This game is hands down the most incompetent display of the human team I have ever seen.
Vote count, for anyone interested:
Blueflower: 0
Yugi: 0
Fire Arrow: Toby
Fank: 0
BDS: Yugi, Fank, Blueflower
Nocturne: Mashi, Fire Arrow, Nocturne, BDS
Mashi: 0
This is absolutely the most frustrating game ugh. At least this night is going to be interesting, because the only potential wolfing targets are Mashi and Fank.
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 08:39:12 PMIt's not low percentage, it's 50-50.
Just take your vote of Nos.
It's low percentage because we have terrible visibility on it.
Think about how much the Blue vs Fire case has been fleshed out, all you have to do is look at it to see who's the wolf.
But obviously it's smarter to do the one with more uncertainty, huh?
change you're vote to blueflower and I'll follow suit, then we can lynch BDS tomorrow.
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 08:36:02 PMof this is not evidence of a FA/BDS team, I dont know what will be.
to whoever's alive in the next phases, hammer it quickly
If you weren't a mason, I'd say you were a wolf. :P You supported an inane, harmful lynch backed by not one, but two people who are likely to be wolves (and completely ignored evidence to the contrary, as long as the evidence you chose supported your opinion), and just all-around disregarded logic.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 21, 2014, 08:39:46 PMFireArrow
Indubitably, you are completely crazy.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 21, 2014, 08:41:17 PMThis game is hands down the most incompetent display of the human team I have ever seen.
Vote count, for anyone interested:
Blueflower: 0
Yugi: 0
Fire Arrow: Toby
Fank: 0
BDS: Yugi, Fank, Blueflower
Nocturne: Mashi, Fire Arrow, Nocturne, BDS
Mashi: 0
This is absolutely the most frustrating game ugh. At least this night is going to be interesting, because the only potential wolfing targets are Mashi and Fank.
For once, you're not my worst enemy in this game.
>_>
>_>
>_>
Guys, do you even know what risk vs. reward is?
Quote from: FireArrow on December 21, 2014, 08:43:29 PMFor once, you're not my worst enemy in this game.
>_>
>_>
>_>
Guys, do you even know what risk vs. reward is?
Nah, you're still my worst enemy. Voting Nocturne was asinine and you know it. At this point I'm near 80% certain that BDS is the master wolf seeing his last second vote on Nocturne juuuust before the time limit.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 08:43:10 PMIf you weren't a mason, I'd say you were a wolf. :P You supported an inane, harmful lynch backed by not one, but two people who are likely to be wolves (and completely ignored evidence to the contrary, as long as the evidence you chose supported your opinion), and just all-around disregarded logic.
I don't care if this makes me look like BDS's partner, but he's so right. You can't just go play hero and vote for someone out of the blue.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 21, 2014, 08:45:25 PMNah, you're still my worst enemy. Voting Nocturne was asinine and you know it. At this point I'm near 80% certain that BDS is the master wolf seeing his last second vote on Nocturne juuuust before the time limit.
Voting nocturne is the last thing anyone wanted to do bar mashi, it's just the best way I can try to counteract this suicidal vote.
What's asinine is you just going "Oh, I'll save my wolfy behind and jump on the BDS bandwagon."
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 08:43:10 PMIf you weren't a mason, I'd say you were a wolf. :P You supported an inane, harmful lynch backed by not one, but two people who are likely to be wolves (and completely ignored evidence to the contrary, as long as the evidence you chose supported your opinion), and just all-around disregarded logic.
IN ADDITION... you kept your vote on me even after Blueflower started backing the lynch. LITERALLY EVERYTHING BLUEFLOWER SAYS IS SO WOLFY.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 21, 2014, 08:45:25 PMNah, you're still my worst enemy. Voting Nocturne was asinine and you know it. At this point I'm near 80% certain that BDS is the master wolf seeing his last second vote on Nocturne juuuust before the time limit.
LIKE THIS. I'd much rather have the traitor be lynched than me- either way, there's a human down, but at least with Nocturne, he can't support the wolves (i.e. Blueflower and Yugi) with an extra vote.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 21, 2014, 08:37:39 PMa) lynch blueflower who has mounds of evidence
b) lynch BDS who has a little bit of evidence
c) lynch NoS with minimal risk/reward.
I'm opting for c not because it's our best options but because it isn't this ridiculously low percentage shot that could lose us the game (that is b.)
???
Blue doesnt have "mounds of evidence" its more of a lack of speaking up. evidence against blue is more evidence against toby in a sense, that blue has done toby's orders... The only real fact against blue is that he's been gunning on you since day dot.
BDS has no evidence??? why? because he hasn't spoken at all, isnt that incriminating in itself?
Noct is a safe lynch??? like I said, it buys time, and wolves getting the revive it brings it so much closer to lylo wolves, pick up 2 revives and its game. worst thing this does is prolong the game, and actually avoid what is really important, a lynch that may decide the game. the last 2 have been like that.
a low percentage shot? I guess you dont have a top percentage rattata ;) but as stated... it isn't a low % shot... maybe if we were hunting for 1 in 5 maybe... but we are hunting in 1 in 2... Yugi really has been distant from BOTH blue AND BDS... wouldnt wolves the wolf buddy try to buddy up with one or the other at this time to try and force a lynch their way??? the main case against BDS being a wolf is that yugi is not.
And then from there, we work backwards. with the knowledge that BDS is a wolf... interactions, actions Especially this lynch and Day 1's lynch... points to you being partners.
That last minute dive for noct is too orchestrated, and I didnt announce I wanted a chinese firedrill. humans pick up the revive, we get a mislynch and win the game (assuming BDS was lynch) it was too save me and THIS will (probably) be my last explaining post in terms of cases
Wolf team is BDS/FA/Olimar and I am NOT budging on that opinion anytime soon
Day 4 is over. NocturneOfShadow has been lynched.TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow3. fank009
4. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan11. maelstrom12. Jon13. blueflower999
Night 5 ends on Monday, 12/22/14, 11:30 PM EST.side note: sending message regardless if random.org hits that 12.5%
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 08:53:27 PM???
Blue doesnt have "mounds of evidence" its more of a lack of speaking up. evidence against blue is more evidence against toby in a sense, that blue has done toby's orders... The only real fact against blue is that he's been gunning on you since day dot.
BDS has no evidence??? why? because he hasn't spoken at all, isnt that incriminating in itself?
Noct is a safe lynch??? like I said, it buys time, and wolves getting the revive it brings it so much closer to lylo wolves, pick up 2 revives and its game. worst thing this does is prolong the game, and actually avoid what is really important, a lynch that may decide the game. the last 2 have been like that.
a low percentage shot? I guess you dont have a top percentage rattata ;) but as stated... it isn't a low % shot... maybe if we were hunting for 1 in 5 maybe... but we are hunting in 1 in 2... Yugi really has been distant from BOTH blue AND BDS... wouldnt wolves the wolf buddy try to buddy up with one or the other at this time to try and force a lynch their way??? the main case against BDS being a wolf is that yugi is not.
And then from there, we work backwards. with the knowledge that BDS is a wolf... interactions, actions Especially this lynch and Day 1's lynch... points to you being partners.
That last minute dive for noct is too orchestrated, and I didnt announce I wanted a chinese firedrill. humans pick up the revive, we get a mislynch and win the game (assuming BDS was lynch) it was too save me and THIS will (probably) be my last explaining post in terms of cases
Wolf team is BDS/FA/Olimar and I am NOT budging on that opinion anytime soon
There's like a 6.25% chance of there even being a revive tonight, shut up about it.
You do realized the only two people supporting your lynch is blue/Yugi right?
Reread the bolded part of your essay, that can apply to the blue/fire case aswell. If you really think yugi has more evidence supporting is humanity than me, I don't know what your smoking.
Apparently 12.5%, my point stands regardless.
Now thanks to this stupid display, you guys better do the right thing tomorrow.
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 08:53:27 PMBDS has no evidence??? why? because he hasn't spoken at all, isnt that incriminating in itself?
1: It's funny how you say this, but just before say this:
QuoteBlue doesnt have "mounds of evidence" its more of a lack of speaking up.
You're so contradictory that I can't understand how you're a mason.
2: You consistently ignore the fact that I haven't had anything to say (until you wanted to lynch me, off course :P), which is what I mean by ignoring information that doesn't support you cause. I think everybody would rather that I just wait until I have something important to say than just post useless filler to satiate Fank's desire to have me posting as much as possible (even if I did, you'd call me out on posting filler).
QuoteYugi really has been distant from BOTH blue AND BDS... wouldnt wolves the wolf buddy try to buddy up with one or the other at this time to try and force a lynch their way???
See: this phase (where Blueflower jumps on the lynch as soon as you and Yugi vote). This is also what I mean about ignoring critical information. Also, take a guess
why Yugi has been trying to distance himself.
QuoteEspecially this lynch and Day 1's lynch... points to you being partners.
I voted for Nocturne Day 1, actually.
Ok, so, if I'm a wolf, answer these questions.
1. Why would I have allowed TST to be wolfed?
2. Why are you not a wolf. You've done nothing to help the human team.
3. Who do you think the last two wolves are?
there's more to come
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 08:43:10 PMIf you weren't a mason, I'd say you were a wolf. :P You supported an inane, harmful lynch backed by not one, but two people who are likely to be wolves (and completely ignored evidence to the contrary, as long as the evidence you chose supported your opinion), and just all-around disregarded logic.
Indubitably, you are completely crazy.
...
please, I pushed... if you were going to claim I was playing wolfish you would use the term push.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 08:51:23 PMIN ADDITION... you kept your vote on me even after Blueflower started backing the lynch. LITERALLY EVERYTHING BLUEFLOWER SAYS IS SO WOLFY.
why would I trust a wolf fmpov??? yeah it rang some bells... but heck I have to put my toe on the line some how.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 21, 2014, 08:58:38 PMThere's like a 6.25% chance of there even being a revive tonight, shut up about it.
You do realized the only two people supporting your lynch is blue/Yugi right?
Reread the bolded part of your essay, that can apply to the blue/fire case aswell. If you really think yugi has more evidence supporting is humanity than me, I don't know what your smoking.
12.5%, and seeing viruses got the last 2 (at 50/25)? I don't like my odds, especially since RNG hates me
-I did realize
-somewhat... if you want to know what I'm smoking read the line above
Reiterating the fact... why wouldnt a wolf in BDS/Yugi at LEAST buddy up to someone??? in either way of the form
Hopefully thats no more replies
nope...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 09:01:47 PM1: It's funny how you say this, but just before say this:You're so contradictory that I can't understand how you're a mason.
2: You consistently ignore the fact that I haven't had anything to say (until you wanted to lynch me, off course :P), which is what I mean by ignoring information that doesn't support you cause. I think everybody would rather that I just wait until I have something important to say than just post useless filler to satiate Fank's desire to have me posting as much as possible (even if I did, you'd call me out on posting filler).
See: this phase (where Blueflower jumps on the lynch as soon as you and Yugi vote). This is also what I mean about ignoring critical information. Also, take a guess why Yugi has been trying to distance himself.
I voted for Nocturne Day 1, actually.
-I'm a mason because I randed it. Yes it was somewhat contradictory... need to really display the point more.
-you have nothing to say? not an excuse. YES the blue vs FA horse has been beaten to death, so there is nothing to talk about. so what do you do? you find the partner... FYPOV if you are a human you should be arguing how yugi ties in to blue/FA
there is the argument that you'd lynch me if I wasnt a mason? ha... at least I create a talking discussion, unlike you who would WANT to sit there and have no discussion. Like I said, the horse was dead. so what do you do with a dead horse? move on to the next one... you say there is nothing to talk about, you didnt create anything.
Ignoring cricitcal information... please I took it into account. Im just stubborn and sticking to my guns.
you voting for noct day 1 is a) not an achievement, and b) my point exactly. take the idea of a BDS/FA/Olimar scum team into account, and lay that next to the day 1 votes.
(no more replies this time???)
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 09:11:39 PM2. Why are you not a wolf. You've done nothing to help the human team.
Quote of the game imo
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 09:11:39 PMOk, so, if I'm a wolf, answer these questions.
1. Why would I have allowed TST to be wolfed?
2. Why are you not a wolf. You've done nothing to help the human team.
3. Who do you think the last two wolves are?
there's more to come
1: I'm not sure what you mean by this, or what it has to do with the fact that you're a wolf.
2: Well, earlier, I supported the (first) Nocturne lynch, whom I thought was a wolf (although he ended up being the traitor), and have actively petitioned against Blueflower, who reeks of wolfy-ness (which even you "agreed" on). Plus, the attempted lynch on me reeks of wolfy-ness. :P I could also argue that you've done nothing to help the human team; it seems as if this question was devised only to trip me up (because it is, quite frankly, a loaded question).
3: You and Blueflower.
Adding on my point from 2, it seems that mostly everything you've done in this game (along with posting a bunch of unimportant filler, which seems to have gotten Fank on your side) has been an attempt to distance yourself from your partners; you flip from Blueflower to me is a very recent action that is especially evident of this (but then again, what else would I expect?).
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 09:19:13 PMwhy would I trust a wolf fmpov??? yeah it rang some bells... but heck I have to put my toe on the line some how.
You seem to be perfectly fine trusting a wolf right now.
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 09:19:13 PM-I'm a mason because I randed it. Yes it was somewhat contradictory... need to really display the point more.
-you have nothing to say? not an excuse. YES the blue vs FA horse has been beaten to death, so there is nothing to talk about. so what do you do? you find the partner... FYPOV if you are a human you should be arguing how yugi ties in to blue/FA
there is the argument that you'd lynch me if I wasnt a mason? ha... at least I create a talking discussion, unlike you who would WANT to sit there and have no discussion. Like I said, the horse was dead. so what do you do with a dead horse? move on to the next one... you say there is nothing to talk about, you didnt create anything.
Ignoring cricitcal information... please I took it into account. Im just stubborn and sticking to my guns.
1: That was a joke.
2: You're completely ignoring my point. There was nothing TO say. The only other thing I could have done would be post useless filler, which, obviously, would be useless. You claim that I would "WANT to sit there and have no discussion," but then again, how can I discuss things if there's nothing to discuss, no topics to create in the first place? The Blueflower/FireArrow debate became the whole center of the game early on, even at the point where figuring out either of their partners was nothing more than a random guess.
3: Sticking to your guns despite evidence to the contrary that you ignore.
Quote from: fank009 on December 21, 2014, 09:19:13 PMQuote of the game imo
It's a
blatantly loaded question, and how you could ignore that while claiming to be logical is beyond me.
Actually, Fank, regarding point 2, I did create a discussion- the first lynch of Nocturne.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 09:29:57 PM1: I'm not sure what you mean by this, or what it has to do with the fact that you're a wolf.
He's an irl friend of mine, and I wouldn't wolf him. At least, not the first night.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 09:29:57 PMAdding on my point from 2, it seems that mostly everything you've done in this game (along with posting a bunch of unimportant filler, which seems to have gotten Fank on your side) has been an attempt to distance yourself from your partners; you flip from Blueflower to me is a very recent action that is especially evident of this (but then again, what else would I expect?).
lolololololololololololol what is this
You accuse me of doing all these things, despite the fact that all of these apply to you. Once you pushed a lynch on Nocturne (who you easily could have simply pushed a lynch on as a wolf simply because he was a suspicious human) you disappeared entirely from the game until you voted Blueflower for no discernable reason, which was what caused me to vote for you in the first place. You then made random flipfloppy votes purely to save your own hide.
So if you're going to point out stuff that I've done, make sure its stuff that you haven't done as well.
...fank, it's really hard to debate this with you when I can't understand what you're saying. pls speak english ur the only person who speaks fank on here
Quote from: Yugi on December 21, 2014, 09:54:40 PMHe's an irl friend of mine, and I wouldn't wolf him. At least, not the first night.
Keep in mind that there's more than one wolf. (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.msg263833#msg263833) Oddly enough, despite saying this, you did make a few other posts.
Quotelolololololololololololol what is this
You accuse me of doing all these things, despite the fact that all of these apply to you. Once you pushed a lynch on Nocturne (who you easily could have simply pushed a lynch on as a wolf simply because he was a suspicious human) you disappeared entirely from the game until you voted Blueflower for no discernable reason, which was what caused me to vote for you in the first place. You then made random flipfloppy votes purely to save your own hide.
So if you're going to point out stuff that I've done, make sure its stuff that you haven't done as well.
Look back at the game Yugi. I didn't just "disappear entirely." For evidence regarding this, start reading here (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.msg264823#msg264823) (the only times when I didn't post were when I was too busy to post in the game). Everything you said about me is
either exaggerated or completely falsified (
especially when you say that I voted for Blueflower for "no discernable [sic] reason," when I had made it clear that I believed FireArrow over Blueflower). Also, I don't know what you mean by "flipfloppy"... I only changed my vote once this phase (compared to you, who changed your vote more than once this phase).
Also, I did point out stuff you did that I didn't do (not counting all the stuff above, which is clearly falsified on your part)- consistently post "filler" posts that add little or nothing to the game.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 11:43:05 PMKeep in mind that there's more than one wolf. (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6573.msg263833#msg263833) Oddly enough, despite saying this, you did make a few other posts.
I was online near the end of the phase. If I was a wolf I could have easily changed the wolfing right before the phase ended. Numbers mean nothing.
also ??????????? at the bolded part
I'll accept that I may have exxagerated my points a little bit, but they're still true, in a way. You became an inactive and started doing things with less reasoning, which brings me to question 4
4. Why the fuck did you vote for nocturne?
Also, human me tends to shitpost a lot. If you're using it for the argument that I'm a hipocrite, go ahead. If you're using it for the argument that I'm a wolf, that's not on.
Quote from: Yugi on December 22, 2014, 12:42:26 AM4. Why the fuck did you vote for nocturne?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 21, 2014, 08:51:23 PMI'd much rather have the traitor be lynched than me- either way, there's a human down, but at least with Nocturne, he can't support the wolves (i.e. Blueflower and Yugi) with an extra vote.
Ideally, I wanted to lynch Blueflower or you, but you fools (Fank) did not see reason (and i asked mashi to help me but he didnt respond).
:/ christmas shopping has stopped me from really posting a good post. so I will be making a good post for FA in english pointing out each point and an explanation behind the point of my argument, with quotes when necesarry
If anyone has any rebuttals to my current/coming ideas (mashi/toby) please tell me.
this game was going to be a 50/50 game anyway, lynching the traitor just makes it less luck based and more evidence based. Had we kept the traitor alive and mislynched then the wolves would have pretty much brought themselves forward, got nocturne to side with them and rely on kitB's to win the game with a 3v3 vote. There would have been 6 alive, with two confirmed humans and two separate groups of players between the two red seerings and the two red seerings 50/50 chance of who was going to die, the wolves would just take away our option to look back on the evidence provided with reactions and stuff. This was we get more time to do what we wanted to do before.
I'm not too suspicious of anyone who wanted to do either thing because I made about 10 of these posts before saying the traitor lynch was good or the traitor lynch was bad, it was a little tricky to find out exactly what it was . :p
I'm the chat, please come
If the game ends 1vs1 with the super brave me being the 1 then what happens
03:02 Toby_ Because it's 1-1 one wolf is better than one human so wolf eats human but human is brutal so wolf dies too
Can we make it a tie pls or even better no one wins
lets start this off...
It didnt matter which group we lynched from yesterday
there are 2 scum roles left... wolf seer, between FA and blue, and MW, between BDS and yugi... something that probably wasn't displayed in my leans, that as much as there was good case on blue/FA... it was really flip floppy and I didnt felt extremley confident that I would make the right decision... so what do I do? find the partner.
Between Yugi/BDS Yugi looks more human (from his d4 play)
As I explained yesterday, his interactions are really open, there's just a handful of stuff that I don't believe could be said from the view point of a wolf. the wanting to die last night phase could be passed off as a bluff, but even after I challenged everyone (by everyone I mean the 4 not clear) he still questioned FA/Blue individually. compared to BDS jumping to FA's side.
BDS still has a case against him
-not contributing a lot day 1/2
-Day 1 side vote
Contradictions happen with cases
Even though yugi has done a lot of things that BDS has, (I.E. split vote day 1 not saying a lot) its not the fact that doing suspicious things = wolf, but more that a combination of things. each thing has a different weight on the swing. something like olimar's slip raises more suspicion than say staying inactive. everything has different weight, and in this instance, I find yugi producing a lot more humanity than you. hence my lean. (its still bs fank :/)
A blue/BDS pairing means BDS could have saved olimar
Votes ended up being tied between olimar and FA and if the point in counter claiming is to get a mislynch, why not go for the mislynch? I reckon it wouldnt have given a lot of wolf points, but seeing BDS doesnt like playing risky, I think he would let olimar get lynched, seeing he did have a vote in hand... though that isnt the main point against a BDS/blue pairing
MLF was a wierd N2 kill
Blue knew the masons, he could have gone for the best thing while protecting him. As said by me on day 2, I feel they were hunting for specials night 2. this theory gives blue a lot of human points in the sense he doesnt need to hunt specials. MLF was a mislynch that easily could have happened with the way the mob was going. blue didnt need to kill mlf, and if it was hunting for specials, why would he? Why wasn't I shot N2 for being active? easy, I told olimar I wasn't a mason. (although I was screaming it by the end of day 2)
(post to be continued...want some in)
Quote from: fank009 on December 22, 2014, 08:20:49 PMBetween Yugi/BDS Yugi looks more human (from his d4 play)
You are drunk fank; go home. :P You're taking everything at face value rather than looking at motives behind actions.
QuoteA blue/BDS pairing means BDS could have saved olimar
Votes ended up being tied between olimar and FA and if the point in counter claiming is to get a mislynch, why not go for the mislynch? I reckon it wouldnt have given a lot of wolf points, but seeing BDS doesnt like playing risky, I think he would let olimar get lynched, seeing he did have a vote in hand... though that isnt the main point against a BDS/blue pairing
May I point out that I was away during that time? Or have I already said that enough?
BDS didnt want either of his partners lynched D1
Self explanatory and needs a bold just to sink in for a moment.
If anyone paired up yugi/blue it was me
there was no push from either of them, all the arguments were made from me. trying to push some wolf points from arguments that I made up probably shows how desperate BDS is to have some sort of lynchability in yugi.
Nocturne was a terrible lynch yesterday
Nocturne alive would force wolves to show themselfs if they wanted to tie the votes with noct gone a mislynch means the loss of the game for humans.
Wolves needed 2 mislynches at the time...
Worst case scenario for wolves = humans get the revive... giving us an extra mislynch... with BDS gone and flipping wolf, there goes a mislynch. and lynch blue/FA in any order to win the game (- wolf revives) Preparing for the worst seems to be another trait for bds.
Blue is NOT the traitor...
this is an important point to bring up because a lot of things fell on blue being traitor...
(hopefully I get this in time...)
will post more if I can
Night 5 is over. fank009 has been killed by hydra... again.TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow3. fank0094. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan11. maelstrom12. Jon13. blueflower999
Day 6 ends on Wednesday, 12/24/14, 11:30 PM EST.
dead men (still) tell no tales
BDS. I know that one of us is a wolf, and I know it's not me.
Yugi, this is so not according to plan. >_>
You know, at this point, let's let Toby decide whether or not we go for green wolves or red wolves first. We need the humans to work together or we're gonna end up with a 4 way kitb.
Might as well respond to these.
Quote from: fank009 on December 22, 2014, 08:29:49 PMBDS didnt want either of his partners lynched D1
Self explanatory and needs a bold just to sink in for a moment.
I voted for Nocturne because I didn't think either of the lynches were satisfactory.
QuoteIf anyone paired up yugi/blue it was me
there was no push from either of them, all the arguments were made from me. trying to push some wolf points from arguments that I made up probably shows how desperate BDS is to have some sort of lynchability in yugi.
You're completely misinforming yourself here. Yugi obviously wouldn't want to vote for his partner, so (not going to be Mashi, obviously, so he changed to me, the only other person aside from FireArrow he could have voted for) when you got uncomfortable regarding the lynch, he jumped at the chance to change his vote (knowing he would be able to no matter what after I voted- he knew I would vote for Blueflower over FireArrow, so he did it to get human points).
QuoteBlue is NOT the traitor...
this is an important point to bring up because a lot of things fell on blue being traitor...
That was obvious as soon as Nocturne flipped traitor.
Quote from: Yugi on December 22, 2014, 08:39:24 PMBDS. I know that one of us is a wolf, and I know it's not me.
::)
This is why I question if people even read what I say or not.
Also,
blueflower. Him attempting to lynch me along with you pretty much solidifies that he is a wolf. For numerous reasons I have discussed earlier, the majority of your arguments are misinformed, either intentionally or otherwise. You know you have little to nothing to defend yourselves, so you used misinformation to paint me in a bad light over you... just look at this atrocious quote:
Quote from: Yugi on December 22, 2014, 12:42:26 AMI'll accept that I may have exxagerated my points a little bit, but they're still true, in a way. You became an inactive and started doing things with less reasoning, which brings me to question 4
You're attempting to accept that your arguments are false while denying it at the same time (you can't flat-out deny that your arguments are pretty much entirely made-up). You continue to try and push your "arguments" even though there's nothing. You use the "inactivity" point, but completely
IGNORE the following:
1: Disregarding filler posts, you were just as inactive as me. If you'd like, I can point out all the jokey/filler/useless posts you made.
2: My activity in this game is normal activity for me. Just look at recent NSM and LLF games.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 22, 2014, 09:27:31 PMAlso, blueflower.
NO
STOP VOTING
We need a plan for everyone to follow and I'm really getting tired of Yugi and BDS slinging shit at each other. I'd love to lead the thread, but we need a confirmed human to do so.
Everyone hold off your votes until Mashi or Toby get here.
god, bds, don't respond to someone you just killed just so you can get the last word in, that's poor ettiquite :beezo:
But, there is something that I can respond to without being fank, so hefe we go.
Quotenot paraphrasing it, second quote down on his last post
what
are you just trying to twist all of my actions to make me seem like a wolf
Not to say that that action would be incredably dependant on certain actions (you and nocturne voting isn't an action that could 100 percent happen) and that if I didn't want blueflower lynched in the first place, I could have voted firearrow whdn I reread the thread.
Also:
5. If I was a wolf, why would fank be wolfed? It makes absolutely no sense from my wolf perspective, and he was fairly vocal in wanting you lynched.
Quote from: Yugi on December 22, 2014, 11:59:53 PMare you just trying to twist all of my actions to make me seem like a wolf
That's an odd thing for
you to be accusing me of.
Quote5. If I was a wolf, why would fank be wolfed? It makes absolutely no sense from my wolf perspective, and he was fairly vocal in wanting you lynched.
So you could say exactly this, I guess? :P
idk i think wolves are blueflower999-BlackDragonSlayer (it makes sense because both of their names begin with B!!!) but i dont feel like reevaluating right now and ill probably be too lazy to do it later
i'll probably vote for blueflower999 this phase tho
I think it's firearrow and blackdragonslayer
Let's just a vote bds cause me and mashi say so
ya i'm okay with blackdragonslayer
do you people even logic
I have no objections to a BDS lynch.
okay rip blackdragonslayer if we lose sry
BDS
bds
Me n blu just wolf rushed you, we win
Pretty sure that's an insta.
The outcome of the game weighs heavily on this, so let's hope we made the right call.
I'm really not sure what reasons you had, but okay?
BDS
sorry, Christmas shopping is blehhh
Quote from: FireArrow on December 23, 2014, 09:57:59 PMBDS
sorry, Christmas shopping is blehhh
Best logic. Better than them all.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 23, 2014, 11:43:51 PMBest logic. Better than them all.
Reading your arguments it shouldn't be hard to relate.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 23, 2014, 11:45:28 PMReading your arguments it shouldn't be hard to relate.
That makes no sense.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 23, 2014, 11:50:35 PMThat makes no sense.
Sense makes no that.
We're lynching you cause you lynched nocturne with no real reason other than to save your ass, you've been acting weird all game and different from usual and you're more likely firearrows partner in my opinion that you are blues Ms I think fire is the next wolf.
Quote from: Toby on December 24, 2014, 05:15:05 AMand you're more likely firearrows partner in my opinion that you are blues Ms I think fire is the next wolf.
Both yugi and BDS are FA supporters, so could you elaborate a bit more? IMO BDS is more likely my partner becasue he gave a lot less reasons for supporting me.
guys 4 more pages until we match the record for most active twg ever
But this didn't even feel that active
Quote from: Toby on December 24, 2014, 05:15:05 AMWe're lynching you cause you lynched nocturne with no real reason other than to save your ass
So... you're saying I should have
let myself be lynched and
let the wolves gain a distinct advantage? That seems perfectly reasonable. ::) I've already explained why.
Quoteyou've been acting weird all game and different from usual and you're more likely firearrows partner in my opinion that you are blues Ms I think fire is the next wolf.
No I haven't. Everybody always says that I act different even when I don't.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 24, 2014, 12:40:15 PMIMO BDS is more likely my partner becasue he gave a lot less reasons for supporting me.
I gave plenty of reasons for supporting you. Do you even read what I say, or do you just pretend to??
Quote from: Toby on December 24, 2014, 04:29:57 PMBut this didn't even feel that active
...I wonder why
Day 6 is over. BDS, the master hydra has been killed by a person with a gun that was actually a unanimous decision or something.TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi
2. NocturneOfShadow3. fank0094. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan11. maelstrom12. Jon13. blueflower999
Night 7 ends on Friday, 12/26/14, 11:30 PM EST. (Two days instead of one because Christmas,)sending a message even if random.org doesn't hit that 1/16 chance of spawning a revive
lol rekt so bad
okay the game depends on choosing between firearrow and blueflower999 now lol
unless we get a revive, in which case, we win
Wait, even if we mislynch we still get one more lynch correct?
Lol I just realized tomorrow is gonna be a kitb no matter how you slice it.
Yugi/Mashi + I vote for Blue.
Toby + Blue vote for me.
ewww
when twg becomes a rng game
Quote from: FireArrow on December 24, 2014, 09:56:52 PMWait, even if we mislynch we still get one more lynch correct?
We don't. Tomorrow is the game deciding lynch.
Also, presuming that Yugi votes for blueflower999, it won't be a KitB. It's 3 votes on blueflower999 and 2 on you.
He's referring to the fact that one of us will get wolfed tonight, mashi
Quote from: Mashi on December 24, 2014, 10:41:11 PMWe don't. Tomorrow is the game deciding lynch.
Also, presuming that Yugi votes for blueflower999, it won't be a KitB. It's 3 votes on blueflower999 and 2 on you.
Oh damn gurl.
And isn't either you or yugi (the confirmed humans) gonna be wolfed tonight?
f u going to wolf you tonight just for saying that
Quote from: Yugi on December 24, 2014, 10:48:14 PMf u going to wolf you tonight just for saying that
nooo
i beg mercy yugi senpai
Quote from: FireArrow on December 24, 2014, 10:50:46 PMnooo
i beg mercy yugi senpai
no
also, I pushed a lynch on the master wolf 8)
Quote from: Yugi on December 24, 2014, 11:11:43 PMno
also, I pushed a lynch on the master wolf 8)
good idea
that master wolf is always taking the spotlight from super-ultimate-transcended-wolves such as yourself
Oh, haha, I'm dumb, my mistake, FireArrow!
Toby, we can make a deal!!! You vote for blueflower999 next Day Phase and if we lose the game, you get bragging rights and can blame me 100% for our loss!
no don't make that deal toby :(
yes do make that deal toby :)
Posting this before I get wolfed by firearrow or someone
hey
[22/12/2014 12:13:30 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: if you're the real seer and you want to survive this game
[22/12/2014 12:13:33 PM] Blueflower999: Hello
[22/12/2014 12:13:34 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: vote for either me or bds
[22/12/2014 12:13:42 PM] Blueflower999: Why would I vote for you though
[22/12/2014 12:13:44 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: whichever you think is more suspicious
[22/12/2014 12:13:57 PM] Blueflower999: Probably BDS
[22/12/2014 12:14:04 PM] Blueflower999: Because I seered him red but he was actually green
[22/12/2014 12:14:16 PM] Blueflower999: See here's what happened
[22/12/2014 12:14:21 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: then vote for him
[22/12/2014 12:14:25 PM] Blueflower999: Jubert said that it was due to him mixing up documents
[22/12/2014 12:14:34 PM] Blueflower999: But I think it's more likely that he said in his mind "BDS is a wolf, so he's red"
[22/12/2014 12:14:37 PM] Blueflower999: When he forgot that he was the master wolf
[22/12/2014 12:14:38 PM] Blueflower999: who is green
[22/12/2014 12:14:42 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: we're changing targets to whoever is the master wolf out of the two of us
[22/12/2014 12:14:59 PM] Blueflower999: So I won't get lynched?
[22/12/2014 12:15:00 PM] Blueflower999: Maybe?
[22/12/2014 12:15:06 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: Hopefully
[22/12/2014 12:17:19 PM] Blueflower999: Do you still think I'm the wolf?
[22/12/2014 12:17:23 PM] Blueflower999: You seem to be going back and forth
[22/12/2014 12:17:32 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: I honestly have no idea now.
[22/12/2014 12:17:40 PM] Blueflower999: If you'd like to ask me questions, feel free
[22/12/2014 12:18:05 PM] Blueflower999: I've always been better at one on one conversations than group mosh pits
[22/12/2014 12:20:12 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: I don't have any quesetions that I can think of right away
[22/12/2014 12:20:15 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: just vote in the thread
[22/12/2014 12:27:05 PM] Blueflower999: do i need to give a reason too XD
[22/12/2014 12:27:12 PM] Blueflower999: because I don't feel like typing up long paragraphs when I have so much else to do tonight
[22/12/2014 12:29:50 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: just say something like "its either yugi or bds and I don't llike bds"
[22/12/2014 12:30:08 PM] Blueflower999: There, posted it
[22/12/2014 12:30:31 PM] Blueflower999: I really hope you're not the master wolf that's just manipulating me into voting for BDS :P
[22/12/2014 12:30:35 PM] Blueflower999: You probably are actually
[22/12/2014 12:30:51 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: i'll allow you to wolf me when i'm proven right :P
[22/12/2014 12:31:01 PM] Blueflower999: I'm not wolfing anybody :P
[22/12/2014 12:32:33 PM] Blueflower999: Does the phase end at 11:30 EST as usual?
[22/12/2014 1:15:16 PM] Blueflower999: nocturne is so freaking annoying
[22/12/2014 3:41:33 PM] Blueflower999: CAN'T BELIEVE THIS GAME
[22/12/2014 3:42:37 PM] Blueflower999: DO YOU STILL THINK FIRE ARROW IS HUMAN???
putting a part of that chatlong here because I think it's important
[22/12/2014 12:13:44 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: whichever you think is more suspicious
[22/12/2014 12:13:57 PM] Blueflower999: Probably BDS
[22/12/2014 12:14:04 PM] Blueflower999: Because I seered him red but he was actually green
[22/12/2014 12:14:16 PM] Blueflower999: See here's what happened
[22/12/2014 12:14:21 PM] BananaCrayonsOnARainbowYoshi: then vote for him
[22/12/2014 12:14:25 PM] Blueflower999: Jubert said that it was due to him mixing up documents
[22/12/2014 12:14:34 PM] Blueflower999: But I think it's more likely that he said in his mind "BDS is a wolf, so he's red"
[22/12/2014 12:14:37 PM] Blueflower999: When he forgot that he was the master wolf
Considering the BDS lynch was almost completely due to me (I could've taken advantage of the chaos you guys created to easily vote yugi without drawing suspicion, but instead, I asked Toby and Mashi to lead the thread), I fail to see how blueflower is any less compatible with BDS than I am. Additionally, I've been stating BDS is suspicious much longer than blue has. If you want to think I'm purposely separating myself from him, fine, but you can say exactly the same thing about blue.
Night 7 is over. Mashi, the miller or something was killed. :(TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield (Season 1)Role list, item, gimmick
1. Master Hydra - Seered green.
2. Hydra
3. The Clairvoyant - Seer.
4. Traitor.
5. Agent Coulson - Miller.
6. Skye - Seer.
7. Agent May - Brutal human: When wolfed, random wolf dies.
8. Agent Fitz - knows Simmons! When Fitz dies, Simmons dies.
9. Agent Simmons - knows Fitz! When Simmons dies, Fitz dies.
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
Item:
GH-325: Given to a random player during night phase 2, can be passed along or used to bring a dead player back to life.
50% chance of appearing a second time in night phase 3, 25% n4, etc.
Cardflip: role reveal upon death
*story goes here*
1. Mashi2. NocturneOfShadow3. fank0094. FireArrow
5. BlackDragonSlayer6. Yugi
7. The_Subjective_Thought8. Toby
9. Olimar1234510. mariolegofan11. maelstrom12. Jon13. blueflower999
Day 8 ends on 12/28/14, Sunday 11:30 PM EST. (this is why i thought we needed two wolfings per night in the previous game version)
Yugi who do you want to lynch, we need to agree
I'll hold off my vote till you guys decide.
I think that FireArrow is the more likely wolf here, mostly because he seems like a better partner for bds than blue is.
Quote from: Yugi on December 27, 2014, 01:11:26 PMI think that FireArrow is the more likely wolf here, mostly because he seems like a better partner for bds than blue is.
And the fact that Blue is more likely Olimar's partner than I am?
Wolf partnering:
Olimar:
FireArrow - Doesn't make sense, reversed the lynch on me day 1 without knowing that jub wouldn't count it.
Blueflower - Blueflower was one of the few people defending him.
BDS:
FireArrow - He took my side in the Blue vs. FA situation.
Blueflower - Relatively neutral, not very much interaction until yesterday. Blue has a higher chance of winning in a last day lynch or lose situation, so this could make sense either way.
Anyways, the fact that Mashi was wolfed should be more than enough proof of my humanity. Why the hell would I kill off the person who would guarantee me at least a kitb.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 27, 2014, 11:42:05 AMI'll hold off my vote till you guys decide.
What.
Are you just trying to pretend you're going to follow our leads when you and Blueflower are the only people who know who the wolf is atm. I don't think I've ever seen a human in this sort of situation not just straight out vote the other.
Lynching Fire Arrow wins us the game folks.
Quote from: Toby on December 27, 2014, 04:33:44 PMWhat.
Are you just trying to pretend you're going to follow our leads when you and Blueflower are the only people who know who the wolf is atm. I don't think I've ever seen a human in this sort of situation not just straight out vote the other.
No, I'd rather you guys analyze data and make a clear decision rather then have to wade through me and blue shit slinging. Wolves like to make chaos because it makes humans do stupid things, I've been trying to avoid that for awhile.
Honestly, I don't expect to win this game at the point, blue has put himself in a no lose situation. He wolfed Mashi which basically leaves me with no resources or traction in this lynch.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 27, 2014, 01:36:08 PMAnd the fact that Blue is more likely Olimar's partner than I am?
Wolf partnering:
Olimar:
FireArrow - Doesn't make sense, reversed the lynch on me day 1 without knowing that jub wouldn't count it. He could have attempted to bus you to make himself seem more human. It's a valid strategy.
Blueflower - Blueflower was one of the few people defending him. It could have been a human who didn't know any better, plus, it was basically "other seer or firearrow" situation.
BDS:
FireArrow - He took my side in the Blue vs. FA situation. If anything, this strenghens the situation, since a wolf defending another wolf is a viable strategy
Blueflower - Relatively neutral, not very much interaction until yesterday. Blue has a higher chance of winning in a last day lynch or lose situation, so this could make sense either way. Not sure what you mean about this.
Anyways, the fact that Mashi was wolfed should be more than enough proof of my humanity. Why the hell would I kill off the person who would guarantee me at least a kitb. Because I didn't vocalize my suspicions of you until today, and thus wolfing either of us may have guaranteed you a kitb.
Also,
1. If it's BDS - Blueflower, why did BDS bandwagon the blueflower vote?
2. You pushed a Nocturne lynch for hilariously hypocritical reasons.
3. Blueflower is exhibiting his human behaviour this game, and I don't think that a wolf would be so willing to be lynched.
4. Fank, who argued a BDS-FireArrow pairing, was wolfed.
5. And more!
...you contradict yourself so much. "Of course FireArrow can be partners with Olimar, him voting for you makes him look more human. OMG BDS voted blueflower?! They can't be partners!"
Yes, you have voiced your suspicion of me since I disagreed with you on the BDS > Noc situation. Nothing like disagreeing with you to make me look wolfy, eh? This is a situation where whoever the wolf is wins, because you just wolf the person most suspicious of you and everyone else is too biased to notice. I can't believe blueflower freaking wolfed my biggest supporter and your just completely disregarding it. Even if your right (which your not) that you were super good at hiding your true intentions, Mashi has been avidly supporting me day 1 since I convinced him of my humanity (a very experienced TWGer, mind you) whereas you loosely supported me for a a couple hours before changing your vote to BDS. Give me one good reason why I, as a wolf, would let you live?
1. According to you - He could have attempted to bus you [blueflower] to make himself seem more human. It's a valid strategy - should be a good enough reason, so I'm not even gonna bother with my 2 cents.
2. Elaborate? My reasoning was the same as Mashi. Nocturne of Shadow was a safe lynch, BDS was a more risky lynch. I know I'm the real seer, so to me, lynching blueflower isn't risky at all. Remember, if BDS was human, we would of been forced into a kitb by Noc.
3. You mean all those wolfy traits you were pointing out when you were on my side? Or do they not mean anything anymore because the person who disagrees with you is the wolf?
4. Mashi, who argued a BDS-Blueflower pairing, was wolfed.
5. And more!
Hint: If your reasoning involves "killing wolf partners to look human" you're grasping at straws.
Blueflower get in here and post something
This phase ends tonight correct?
blueflower
I think so
Firearrow for the majority vote. I honestly believe that blueflower is more human here and if he actually is a wolf I'd be surprised.
also don't insta toby
Quote from: Yugi on December 28, 2014, 06:09:36 PMFirearrow for the majority vote. I honestly believe that blueflower is more human here and if he actually is a wolf I'd be surprised.
Refute my counter argument first? You never even pointed out how blueflower is acting human and I have responded to your accusations of me being wolfy.
If we lose the game under the logic of "I think he's more human" I'm gonna be really disappointing. Human play at it's finest.
Actually no, don't bother. At this point I've provided solid arguments and blue has said absolutely nothing. If you guys want to loose the game, it'll no longer be my fault.
Just go ahead ynch me, I dare you. It'll make post game that much better.
And I say loose instead is lose, oh well.
on a 3ds right now, sry
But you shouldn't insult people if they're going up against you. I think that blueflowers human because he's exhibited his normal human behaviour all game (if he was a wolf, he ould be more against people lynching him), and there's a lot of evidence against you which your defense hasn't convinced me of you being innocent.
Quote from: Yugi on December 28, 2014, 06:29:17 PMon a 3ds right now, sry
But you shouldn't insult people if they're going up against you. I think that blueflowers human because he's exhibited his normal human behaviour all game (if he was a wolf, he ould be more against people lynching him), and there's a lot of evidence against you which your defense hasn't convinced me of you being innocent.
I agree with this,
The arguement that you being a wolf due to you waiting so long before your claim to me and not thinking about wolves infiltrating the alliance is in itself the stringers piece of evidence against you right now for me, that and your jumpy behaviour each day phase of switching from calm to defensive to attacking to giving up, is just completely out or the ordinary and jumpy that I really doubt a human could behave in the same way.
That being said if Blueflower doesn't hurry his ass up and say something, my vote might actually be on him.
Yugi, there's a lot of obvious important evidence against him and your ignoring it all because of a meta.
Yes, there is evidence against me, but I've been providing counter arguments all games. It's been more than enough to convince Mashi and mael.
Quote from: Toby on December 28, 2014, 06:36:11 PMThat being said if Blueflower doesn't hurry his ass up and say something, my vote might actually be on him.
He's not responding to things on skype, and he hasn't been on the forum in 4 hours
I think it's more a matter of "he's not able to access the thread right now" than "he's not answering"
He's away on steam as well.
Quote from: Toby on December 28, 2014, 06:36:11 PMI agree with this,
The arguement that you being a wolf due to you waiting so long before your claim to me and not thinking about wolves infiltrating the alliance is in itself the stringers piece of evidence against you right now for me, that and your jumpy behaviour each day phase of switching from calm to defensive to attacking to giving up, is just completely out or the ordinary and jumpy that I really doubt a human could behave in the same way.
I don't have any more to add to the day 1 incident other than what I've said day 1. You can reread it if you want because I thought I did a pretty good job. My jumpy behavior is me getting frustrated over yugi's points, I've provided a logically sound argument that I'd gladly elaborate on if he's not satisfied with it, but he's not giving me anything to respond to. Kudos for not lashing back at me though.
Quote from: Yugi on December 28, 2014, 06:39:45 PMHe's not responding to things on skype, and he hasn't been on the forum in 4 hours
I think it's more a matter of "he's not able to access the thread right now" than "he's not answering"
To be fair, he could of provided a better case than "gg I win."
?
Wow, the thread blew up in my few hours of absence, huh. I guess I should have remembered that the phase ended tonight, sorry guys! Wow, it's a lot later than I expected isn't it. O_o
Anyway, if you guys want to ask me things, go ahead. I don't have all that much to say. Fire's argument at this point looks to me like "he's inactive so he's the wolf", which is a similar train of logic to what he's been going for since that uber-suspicious Phase 1 post telling us to lynch inactives.
Fire's actions have just screamed wolf at me the whole game, even if you ignore the fact that his false claiming Seer already proves him to be one in my mind. The lynch on Nocturne was a ridiculously good move for the wolf team, but because of that the game is pretty clearly on the line this day phase. And Fire knew that, which is why he pushed for it. If he lynched me, he knew that I'd flip Seer, and then he'd be lynched for a guaranteed wolf kill. Thus the Nocturne lynch pretty perfectly fit his agenda.
He is doing a very good job defending himself, which is something that I've never been able to do. In fact, I can't recall a game where I've been the main lynch target and managed to defend myself appropriately. I'm just not very good at it, and not playing TWG for a year or so hasn't really helped that. So in all honesty, I don't know how to justify my own actions.
If you want an explanation for my inactivity, go look at the fact that I've had a busy schedule today. If you want specifics I can supply them, but that plus the NSM Superlatives on other days have really been taking a lot of my time.
My vote isn't moving off of Fire Arrow because I don't need to. We have an hour, and I apologize again for the late post.
Quote from: Yugi on December 28, 2014, 06:55:47 PM?
If he knew he wants going to be available to post, he could of put a lot more substance in his first post other than "vote fire we win."
He put himself in a good situation and he knows he doesn't need to do anything.
Oh nice ninja
Quote from: FireArrow on December 28, 2014, 07:01:16 PMIf he knew he wants going to be available to post, he could of put a lot more substance in his first post other than "vote fire we win."
He put himself in a good situation and he knows he doesn't need to do anything.
Yep, and this is totally in contrast to my previous wolf behavior. Go look at Bowser's Blast or whatever it was called, I was the only wolf and me being lynched lost the game.
Here I am, and if I were a wolf, this would be the same situation. Yet my behavior is totally different. Back then I met in the chat with everyone and went down kicking and screaming. A few days ago, I even asked you guys to lynch me so we could get rid of you. I guarantee you that a wolf Blueflower would never do such a thing.
Fire honey, you played very well. A lot better than I did, actually. Your arguments were convincing and you saved your own behind from being lynched countless times. Regardless of who wins, you have my respect as a great player.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 28, 2014, 06:58:44 PMAnyway, if you guys want to ask me things, go ahead. I don't have all that much to say. Fire's argument at this point looks to me like "he's inactive so he's the wolf", which is a similar train of logic to what he's been going for since that uber-suspicious Phase 1 post telling us to lynch inactives.
Fire's actions have just screamed wolf at me the whole game, even if you ignore the fact that his false claiming Seer already proves him to be one in my mind. The lynch on Nocturne was a ridiculously good move for the wolf team, but because of that the game is pretty clearly on the line this day phase. And Fire knew that, which is why he pushed for it. If he lynched me, he knew that I'd flip Seer, and then he'd be lynched for a guaranteed wolf kill. Thus the Nocturne lynch pretty perfectly fit his agenda.
He is doing a very good job defending himself, which is something that I've never been able to do. In fact, I can't recall a game where I've been the main lynch target and managed to defend myself appropriately. I'm just not very good at it, and not playing TWG for a year or so hasn't really helped that. So in all honesty, I don't know how to justify my own actions.
If you want an explanation for my inactivity, go look at the fact that I've had a busy schedule today. If you want specifics I can supply them, but that plus the NSM Superlatives on other days have really been taking a lot of my time.
My vote isn't moving off of Fire Arrow because I don't need to. We have an hour, and I apologize again for the late post.
numbered based on paragraphs.
1. That's not true. I have a much bigger case against you however I can't really consolidate it because I'll be on my phone until the phase ends. So it'll be up to you guys to figure that out yourself.
2. I've explained that. And you're just plain wrong, I wanted to lynch you that phase but everyone got side tracked on BDS instead.
3. So you can't come up with a defense because your not good enough at TWG? That's the biggest human tell ever.
4. Your inactivity is more so annoying than the basis of my argument.
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 28, 2014, 07:03:55 PMYep, and this is totally in contrast to my previous wolf behavior. Go look at Bowser's Blast or whatever it was called, I was the only wolf and me being lynched lost the game.
Here I am, and if I were a wolf, this would be the same situation. Yet my behavior is totally different. Back then I met in the chat with everyone and went down kicking and screaming. A few days ago, I even asked you guys to lynch me so we could get rid of you. I guarantee you that a wolf Blueflower would never do such a thing.
Fire honey, you played very well. A lot better than I did, actually. Your arguments were convincing and you saved your own behind from being lynched countless times. Regardless of who wins, you have my respect as a great player.
Self meta is impossible because knowing what you do makes the meta null and void.
Thanks though. It kinda sucks how this game ended up considering I joined this game to play with you. I was not expecting us to be opposite seers. :[
Welp, I gtg to tennis in like 5 minutes, so cheers.
You responding to an arguement and making counter arguements does not make those points invalid.
I need to sleep now so firearrow and we can end the game with an insta.
We won, guys. Congratulations, everyone!
mashi (agent coulson) wins
gg
*insert story here*
gg
Hey guys! Turns out the coma was one of those week long comas.
It also didn't cause any lasting damage!
What did I miss?
Postgame pls
I fully expect to win human MVP
so uh
whats happening now
is this the afterlife
Also I want to point out that this has been the most active TWG on NSM, and is tied for the most active TWG ever with LLF TWG 57.
Unless there's something on FFR or the TWG site that Toby came from.
NSM has 15 posts per page in comparison to LLF's 20, however. So technically not, sorry!
And it's not unusual for FFR TWGs to go on 100+ pages with 20 posts per page.
That was bleh. You guys kept making all the right decisions for all the wrong reasons.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 28, 2014, 09:49:12 PMThat was bleh. You guys kept making all the right decisions for all the wrong reasons.
this so much lol
You did put up a convincing argument though, was almost fooled into thinking you were a seer
I have my settings as 15 posts per page on LLF, and it's 53 pages there.
Also, GO SEAHAWKS
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 28, 2014, 09:49:57 PMthis so much lol
You did put up a convincing argument though, was almost fooled into thinking you were a seer
Is that why you kept trying to kill me. :P
Quote from: FireArrow on December 28, 2014, 09:49:12 PMThat was bleh. You guys kept making all the right decisions for all the wrong reasons.
*nods*
Pretty much all of your arguments (at least those relating to me :P) were quite one-sided.
Oh, turns out I was wrong then. My mistake everyone!
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 28, 2014, 09:58:41 PM*nods*
Pretty much all of your arguments (at least those relating to me :P) were quite one-sided.
To be fair, it seems like you're always lynched mid game no matter what your role or argument is.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 28, 2014, 09:57:40 PMIs that why you kept trying to kill me. :P
I LIKE TO KEEP PEOPLE GUESSING
so am I the human MVP
no
it's me
Traitor only counts for wolf mvps though, if I'm remembering correctly.
then I get wolf MVP because I got mislynched twice for goodness sake
that's pro
also we should probably save the discussion for the actual postgame
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Yugi is practically TWC
Pls gif post game.
Need ability to get night 1 wolfed analysed.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 28, 2014, 10:13:29 PMthen I get wolf MVP because I got mislynched twice for goodness sake
that's pro
the second one was technically mashis fault
he didnt help me when i needed him
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>:(
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I don't think there is gonna be a post game, unless it's required or something.
I require it.
the games not officially over until jub3r7 says so
technically the game is still on
so lets bloat up the pages some more
um
guys im the brutal human actually
Toby
Let's make our own post game!
Well well, humans. You certainly got very lucky first with olimar (he made a huge mistake though lol) and then with BDS. I think FireArrow deserves wolf MVP. He certainly did a good job of keeping alive.
Human MVP has got to be fank. He was the first one to push the BDS lynch and Yugi only jumped on because he knew he himself couldn't be a wolf.
Then there's me. I gotta admit, I did a pretty spectacular job at getting everyone so annoyed they had to mislynch me just to shut me up. Not only did I get mislynched once, saving firearrow just barely, I also got lynched AGAIN (but by the wolves so eh) to put the game into a stall giving wolves a second chance to win.
Best traitor play ever.
Anyone second those nominations?
Speaking of lynching you twice... the wolves never got that second revive, so the humans actually did revive you. >_>
I don't even know, don't ask.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 29, 2014, 06:11:26 PMSpeaking of lynching you twice... the wolves never got that second revive, so the humans actually did revive you. >_>
I don't even know, don't ask.
wait WHAT???!!!???
Im going to save my thoughts till its officialy post game...
Really dropping the ball here, Jub. : /
is the real life
is this just fantasy
Yeah,. humans revived NocturneOfShadow. I said the game ended already!!!! mashi wins
I'll post a postgame and answer comments and concerns