Submission Information:
Series: Super Mario
Game: Super Mario 3D World
Console: Wii U
Title: Piranha Creeper Creek
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: ThatGamer (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?action=profile;u=4327)
AKKKKKKKKKK. FORMATING ERRORS AHOY!
Please, please review this (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=481.0) and edit your arrangements accordingly. And, as a suggestion, start each new piece from the template provided on that page. It will make things a lot easier.
edit: For ease of reading, combine short rests into appropriate longer ones (e.g. 2 16th into an 8th, but not 3 8ths into a dotted quarter)
And, I know every new arranger struggles with this (As I did), but your note barring could use some help. It might help to review this page for more information
http://www.brl.org/codes/session10/groupings.html
Submission says "Piranha Creeper Creek," but the files are for "Jungle Drift." I don't even see that in the ost for that game...
Thought I gave you a template with the correct formatting...?
My headphone jack broke, so I can't be 100% sure this is perfect, but it's a lot better
This .mus only has the note barring and rests fixed, so you can see an example of correct barring
[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/bleblv9r4m1btxm/Piranha%20Plant%20Creek%20Formated.mus?dl=0)
This one has corrected notes and such:
[.mus] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/tvc53aefa9y85tj/Piranha%20Plant%20Creek.mus?dl=0)
I thought it was good...but about the name, it can be called either, because the music plays on both levels, Deep Jungle Drift, and Piranha Creeper Creek.
Quote from: ThatGamer on December 19, 2014, 09:07:21 AMabout the name, it can be called either, because the music plays on both levels, Deep Jungle Drift, and Piranha Creeper Creek.
We go by the OST 'round here.
Ok, then it's Piranha Creeper Creek, I'll go ahead and edit that so it can be accepted.
Alright, done, give it a look!
Give this a look (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100796699/Piranha%20Plant%20Creek%20%281%29.mus). It's the .mus from maelstrom, but a bit edited in the later bars as they were still a bit sloppy. I'll note the differences from this mus with your original version, to give a clear view of what changed. I'll be referring to this guide (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=481.0) too.
-All composers should be noted and the whole composer box needs to be bold. The arranger box has to be italic. See point 3 and 4 in the guide.
-I don't know if your original tempo marking is acceptable, but I changed it to look like point 5 in the guide.
-All flats in the sheet are changed to sharps (like Ab -> G#, Gb -> F#). This is because of enharmonic spelling rules, which are hard to understand at first. Ask people for help if you don't exactly know what to do with them.
-Note beamings are fixed. Note beamings make visible what the beats in the song are. For example, in a 4/4 song, you can't have two dotted quarter notes next to each other. It should be notated like dotted quarter note - eight note (tied to a) quarter note. Beat 1 and 3 are now clear. This also isn't always as easy; see bar 26 through end
-Added measure numbers
-Fixed rests (especially LH)
-Titles on pages 2 and 3 are changed to be the same as page 1
Hmm, ok. So it's fixed now?
Quote from: ThatGamer on December 23, 2014, 10:14:34 AMHmm, ok. So it's fixed now?
Links on the op still need to be replaced.
What's op? I thought that meant overpowered!
original post.
Ohhhh. I see. Too lazy to do it now, I'll get to it...next year. Literally.
Alright. I've finally changed the MUS file, to Bloops edited version, can it now be accepted? :D
You should probably also edit the PDF
How? You never gave me one, did you?
you have the option to save it as a PDF while printing it
Thanks for the PM. Sorry for not getting around to helping you out with this sooner.
*Measure 1 ~ Those should be full chords, with the 3rds. Not open 5ths. So, write in a B on the first two chords, and then a C# on the third chord.
*Measure 4-11 ~ The melody is doubled by the lower octave, so in the right hand there should be along with the melody the same notes an octave lower. If you write these measures with a bass clef it will make it easier to read too, should you do this.
*Measures 12-19 ~ There is some extra harmonies you need write into the right hand. Just take a listen to the song again and carefully transcribe these measures. it might help take out the lower octave of the melody so you can play it better once it is re-transcribed.
*Measure 25 ~ The first beat has some kind of trill? I'm away from my audio equipment right now so I can't dissect it (or anything else too deeply) at the moment, but take a look at it.
*A general thought ~ There's a lot of blank measures for the left hand. Though the bass may not be doing anything for those measures, you could consider using that time to use the left hand to help out the right hand or to play some of the extra layers you omitted from your arrangement.
You got the ear! I believe in you!
Quote from: Bespinben on January 05, 2015, 03:17:34 PMThanks for the PM. Sorry for not getting around to helping you out with this sooner.
*Measure 1 ~ Those should be full chords, with the 3rds. Not open 5ths. So, write in a B on the first two chords, and then a C# on the third chord.
*Measure 4-11 ~ The melody is doubled by the lower octave, so in the right hand there should be along with the melody the same notes an octave lower. If you write these measures with a bass clef it will make it easier to read too, should you do this.
*Measures 12-19 ~ There is some extra harmonies you need write into the right hand. Just take a listen to the song again and carefully transcribe these measures. it might help take out the lower octave of the melody so you can play it better once it is re-transcribed.
*Measure 25 ~ The first beat has some kind of trill? I'm away from my audio equipment right now so I can't dissect it (or anything else too deeply) at the moment, but take a look at it.
*A general thought ~ There's a lot of blank measures for the left hand. Though the bass may not be doing anything for those measures, you could consider using that time to use the left hand to help out the right hand or to play some of the extra layers you omitted from your arrangement.
You got the ear! I believe in you!
Thanks for the feedback, but just to be clear, this was Bloops version, so these things were more his fault than mine.
But I'll get to it! I WILL FINISH IT!!!
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 05, 2015, 03:29:54 PMBut I'll get to it! I WILL FINISH IT!!!
I believe in you! If you need help, you got my username :P
I thought you were banned! Something about you and Dude is what Kefka said...
Anyways back to the arrangement.
I will ask you if I need help!
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 05, 2015, 03:43:01 PMI thought you were banned! Something about you and Dude is what Kefka said...
That's behind us. I'd like tto forget that. Anyway, I'm back praise the Lord! :)
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 05, 2015, 03:43:01 PMI will ask you if I need help!
ok :)
Yup!
Quote from: Bespinben on January 05, 2015, 03:17:34 PMThanks for the PM. Sorry for not getting around to helping you out with this sooner.
*Measure 1 ~ Those should be full chords, with the 3rds. Not open 5ths. So, write in a B on the first two chords, and then a C# on the third chord.
*Measure 4-11 ~ The melody is doubled by the lower octave, so in the right hand there should be along with the melody the same notes an octave lower. If you write these measures with a bass clef it will make it easier to read too, should you do this.
*Measures 12-19 ~ There is some extra harmonies you need write into the right hand. Just take a listen to the song again and carefully transcribe these measures. it might help take out the lower octave of the melody so you can play it better once it is re-transcribed.
*Measure 25 ~ The first beat has some kind of trill? I'm away from my audio equipment right now so I can't dissect it (or anything else too deeply) at the moment, but take a look at it.
*A general thought ~ There's a lot of blank measures for the left hand. Though the bass may not be doing anything for those measures, you could consider using that time to use the left hand to help out the right hand or to play some of the extra layers you omitted from your arrangement.
You got the ear! I believe in you!
FYI...
If you fix this stuff, Bespiben will accept it :)
Ok!
It's all fixed, Bespinben! If you like it, please accept it, because I have SEVERAL unsubbmitted arrangements! D:
Ps: I changed the mid file too!
Pps: you probably won't read this, so I'll pm too!
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 06, 2015, 04:36:07 PMSEVERAL unsubbmitted arrangements! D:
I have 100's...lol
Wow, didn't know that!
ThatGamer, change your arranger name back to normal this instant.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 06, 2015, 05:17:31 PMThatGamer, change your arranger name back to normal this instant.
Uh-oh
Hurry...before Kefka comes :-X
Oops, that was an old joke, sorry...
You have been active on the forums for more than an hour and have not made a visible effort to fix your gross misuse of the system. This is your final warning from me. I will not have you targeting other members, especially ones who have made it very clear that they are uncomfortable with you doing so. (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6606.msg265455#msg265455) Change it immediately or this submission will be terminated. If this continues, your arrangements will not be hosted on this site.
CHANGE IT QUICK
THAT IS A HUGE BLOW
I changed it!! Go check! It's been changed for hours!!!
uh
no
its still there
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs3.postimg.org%2Fxfus96x83%2FScreenshot_2015_01_06_19_18_422.png&hash=6e50ac97e41d3387571f994a4aa200d3528f8191)
I can't change it!!! Only Zeta can do that!!! Help!!!
You have to click NSM panel and edit the arranger name
Look at my profile please, Olimar!!! It says it's changed!
YOu edited the title for sure
Wait...what happened? It's suddenly fixed! Praise the lord!!!
Don't do it again.
I won't, that was an old arranger name that I forgot to fix.
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 06, 2015, 06:34:10 PMthat was an old arranger name that I forgot to fix.
That arranger name was made visible today, meaning that you changed it to that today. No need to lie.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 06, 2015, 06:41:02 PMThat arranger name was made visible today, meaning that you changed it to that today. No need to lie.
Ninjad...
Anyway, is this one accepted? I'd love to see this one on site :)
Arrghh...
@mlf
Once Bespinben is on next, it will be. As for now, no.
Well, Olimar is a great Updater....
Nothing personal, but I'd rather have someone who likes me update it. Sorry Olimar, nothing personal. Or Kefka.
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 06, 2015, 06:48:09 PMNothing personal, but I'd rather have someone who likes me update it. Sorry Olimar, nothing personal. Or Kefka.
.....ok.......
It really doesnt matter XD
Well, the thing is, here's how the answer would be from each of them:
Bespinben: Great job, I love it! I'll update it as soon as the next update comes!
Olimar12345: This is bullsh*t, take the time to fix it, or don't do it at all!!!
See?
But Olimar has a point. If it's not done right, it has no place on the site.
Oh man, critique, OLIMAR IS THE ANITCHRIST AND IS THE WORST PERSON EVER AOEFINOEIGFOSEFGINSEOGFINSEOIGFN
At least he's giving you criticism. We don't want a shitty sheet on the site.
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 06, 2015, 06:52:21 PMWell, the thing is, here's how the answer would be from each of them:
Bespinben: Great job, I love it! I'll update it as soon as the next update comes!
Olimar12345: This is bullsh*t, take the time to fix it, or don't do it at all!!!
See?
Well, not true.
I've known Olimar for a while and
1. He's awesome, especially when you get to know him. :)
2. He doesn't lie. He wouldn't say it's S word ,as you say, unless there are really mistakes.
3. He is very helpful and wise in the ways of music.
Quote from: Yugi on January 06, 2015, 06:54:14 PMWe don't want a shitty sheet on the site.
Now now...
I wasn't referring to his in particular (haven't looked at it at all). I'm just saying that Olimar does it for a reason.
I don't think it's "shitty" at all. I've revised it like 8 times. Also, MLF, he has said those exact words in a pm, but it was after the first revision.
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 06, 2015, 06:52:21 PMOlimar12345: This is bullsh*t, take the time to fix it, or don't do it at all!!!
Lol I've literally only told you to correct the incorrect title and update the links in the op. If you misunderstood my warning post, it was about targeting members. It had nothing to do with this arrangement.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 06, 2015, 07:03:06 PMLol I've literally only told you to correct the incorrect title and update the links in the op. If you misunderstood my warning post, it was about targeting members. It had nothing to do with this arrangement.
I don't target specific members!
Yeah, you did say that, I remember it, but let's change the topic before something happens..,
Quote from: ThatGamer on January 06, 2015, 07:06:11 PMI don't target specific members!
Biggest lie I've ever seen.
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 06, 2015, 07:06:51 PMBiggest lie I've ever seen.
Can you give me some proof or something please?
I never meant to target specific members though, sorry I I did.
Definitely can see you made some changes from the last time! And, now that I'm at my desktop, I can use my lovely Snippet Tool.
I want to focus on measures 4-7 for now. This is what you wrote:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1111.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh475%2FBespinben%2FThatGameroriginal_zpsccbe1972.jpg&hash=c6797b82576ec6ebba71abaaa6200d83d17c9793) (http://s1111.photobucket.com/user/Bespinben/media/ThatGameroriginal_zpsccbe1972.jpg.html)
I can see you took my advice about using the left hand more to aid the melody! Excellent. However, there is much cleaner way of communicating this idea.
Allow me to demonstrate:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1111.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh475%2FBespinben%2FThatGamercorrections_zpsf006e51c.jpg&hash=7211550b008c95a9995c6b7d3fa75e85dc27eeb8) (http://s1111.photobucket.com/user/Bespinben/media/ThatGamercorrections_zpsf006e51c.jpg.html)
One thing I've noticed in your arrangements ThatGamer is that you always write everything in one layer. See those red notes? They're not red in the printed sheet, but it's what we would call the second layer. You can write in this layer by clicking the little "2" at the bottom left corner of Finale (any version). The benefit of this is that it allows you to write rhythmically independent lines in the same staff. However, you can also use this tool to convey an idea of "separateness" between the lower and higher voice of the melody, which, if you use lines between the lower staff and the higher staff (as I have done), very clearly says "use the LH to play the red notes" without having to write a monstrous piece of text (like this paragraph!). Can you see how writing it in this way helps make reading the sheet easier?
{Exhibit A = bass clef in the right hand
{Exhibit B = the whole paragraph I just wrote
Exhibit C points to the fact that I suddenly switch back to using a single layer to write the octave doubled melody. Why? Because the bass starts playing there again, so therefore the RH would need to play both notes. So, to communicate this, you would then write it in a single layer, conveying a "union" of the lower and higher voices of the melody. Again, the lines speak a lot.
But Bespinben, it sounds neat and all, but who actually writes music like that?
Why, plenty people! The masters themselves! Here's a real example of Exhibit C, from Liszt's piano transcription of Ave Maria:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1111.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh475%2FBespinben%2Flayerdemonstration_zps6da8d9e4.jpg&hash=dcf858807b9289ca376d595a8c4c6e9d4e7231e8) (http://s1111.photobucket.com/user/Bespinben/media/layerdemonstration_zps6da8d9e4.jpg.html)
Look at the middle staff of the 3-staff score (and yes, 3-staff piano scores do exist). Notice how on the beginning of beat 2 the octave doubled melody is connected in one layer, but then for the rest of beat 2, it is written in separate layers? It means that the RH would play both notes of the octave doubled melody by itself at the beginning of the beat, and then those notes would be distributed between both hands, the lower layer to the left hand and the upper layer to the right hand.
Yikes, that's gonna be hard...so basically what you're saying, is you want me to use layer 2 for measures 4-7, and then it's finished?...
I hope this doesn't deter your spirit to arrange, but my critique is meant to be representative of a type of problem that is prevalent throughout the entire sheet, not just m. 4-7. My goal isn't so much to get your sheet on site as quick as possible as it is to use your submission as a way to teach you skills you'll need as an arranger.
...as a side note, you don't have to write that passage or the others like it in the way I wrote. That's just one of many approaches you can take. I do expect some solution to make it more clean though. For example, you could write the lower octave of the melody in the lower staff instead, and use the 2nd layer there. That would be the"non-line craziness" method (I just made that word up).
Quote from: Bespinben on January 07, 2015, 08:00:09 AMI hope this doesn't deter your spirit to arrange, but my critique is meant to be representative of a type of problem that is prevalent throughout the entire sheet, not just m. 4-7. My goal isn't so much to get your sheet on site as quick as possible as it is to use your submission as a way to teach you skills you'll need as an arranger.
...as a side note, you don't have to write that passage or the others like it in the way I wrote. That's just one of many approaches you can take. I do expect some solution to make it more clean though. For example, you could write the lower octave of the melody in the lower staff instead, and use the 2nd layer there. That would be the"non-line craziness" method (I just made that word up).
Ok, I'll try to fix this within the hour!
Might take longer to figure out the layer two tool, but then again, I was a mod of a site where layer 2 is important...
There's a problem...I can't change the clef, and the red layer isn't working!
I have Finale 2012 btw.
Close to the bottom left corner there should be 4 buttons with 1 2 3 and 4 on them. Click the 2 and continue inputting notes.
When I get on a computer, I'll help you.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 07, 2015, 08:45:39 AMClose to the bottom left corner there should be 4 buttons with 1 2 3 and 4 on them. Click the 2 and continue inputting notes.
I've got that...problem is, I can't change the clef!!!
Well considering that thatgamer has been banned, will this get deleted now?
But it's sooooo clooooseeeeeee
Just leave these threads to wither until he returns. No point in bumping them back up to the top if we can't accept them.
Alright, I'm back!...the arrangement still isn't fixed though...
Quote from: ThatGamer on February 07, 2015, 07:53:53 AMAlright, I'm back!...the arrangement still isn't fixed though...
I'm idling, so I can't fix it for you, That Gamer.
Quote from: King Sammer on February 07, 2015, 07:56:21 AMI'm idling, so I can't fix it for you, That Gamer.
That's ok, I know some people who can help!
Quote from: ThatGamer on February 07, 2015, 07:57:56 AMThat's ok, I know some people who can help!
Ask Mario Lego Fan.
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