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Title: [DELETED] [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Zeta on February 22, 2015, 05:01:10 AM
Submission Information:

Series: Super Mario
Game: Super Paper Mario
Console: Nintendo Wii
Title: The Tile Pool
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: mariolegofan (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3424)
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: Maelstrom on February 22, 2015, 10:47:34 AM
Needs some reworking. Missing the intro, and there is never just one voice at any given time.
Don't just skip voices because they are hard to hear.
And you have overlapping accidentals and slurs/dynamics.
Not to mention the excessive ledger lines. Use 8va markings to fix that.
And listen and input the key changes. They are prominent.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: Maelstrom on February 22, 2015, 06:17:33 PM
I'm not 100% sure, but I think this may be plagiarism as well.
Take a look at this midi (http://www.vgmusic.com/file/41d84bf5072469efb2165be51feba5f5.html).
Quite a few lines look identical, as if they were copied directly out of the midi into a finale file.
Can I prove that Sammer did not come to the exact same notes and chords by chance? No. But finale does have a habit of overlapping accidentals when something is copy>pasted. This also explains the lack of an intro, as the midi does not have an intro that would copy/paste well onto piano.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: King Sammer on February 22, 2015, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: Maelstrom on February 22, 2015, 06:17:33 PMI'm not 100% sure, but I think this may be plagiarism as well.
Take a look at this midi (http://www.vgmusic.com/file/41d84bf5072469efb2165be51feba5f5.html).
Quite a few lines look identical, as if they were copied directly out of the midi into a finale file.
Can I prove that King did not come to the exact same notes and chords by chance? No. But finale does have a habit of overlapping accidentals when something is copy>pasted. This also explains the lack of an intro, as the midi does not have an intro that would copy/paste well onto piano.
No.

It somehow turned out the same as the midi.

That's why you think I'm plagiarizing!

And no, I did not steal Swoon.exe either. And I'm on my brother's computer, so I can't post Get Cooking on here right now.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: King Sammer on February 22, 2015, 06:55:36 PM
Quote from: King on February 22, 2015, 06:24:12 PMNo.

It somehow turned out the same as the midi.

That's why you think I'm plagiarizing!

And no, I did not steal Swoon.exe either. And I'm on my brother's computer, so I can't post Get Cooking on here right now.
Reason?

I don't do intros for long songs
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: Nebbles on February 22, 2015, 06:57:53 PM
...why wouldn't you do intros, regardless of length? If it's part of the song, you should arrange it regardless.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: Latios212 on February 22, 2015, 07:01:14 PM
You say you don't plagiarize? Prove it by arranging a beginning.  Then we'll believe you.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: Sebastian on February 22, 2015, 07:02:35 PM
EVERYTHING in the original is required including the intros.
And I'll be darn if this isn't part of a midi.....

And this:
Quote from: Latios212 on February 22, 2015, 07:01:14 PMYou say you don't plagiarize? Prove it by arranging a beginning.  Then we'll believe you.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: King Sammer on February 22, 2015, 07:42:36 PM
Quote from: Mario Lego Fan on February 22, 2015, 07:02:35 PMEVERYTHING in the original is required including the intros.
And I'll be darn if this isn't part of a midi.....
How about Bloop's Francis Battle (for example)? It's missing the intro.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: blueflower999 on February 22, 2015, 07:56:11 PM
Stop using Bloop as an excuse for justifying your inept arranging.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: Bespinben on February 22, 2015, 08:01:41 PM
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1111.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh475%2FBespinben%2Fbloop_zpsk2mul0dp.jpg&hash=aa0ef9ec454e111407c396056464b0b8085cbc74) (http://s1111.photobucket.com/user/Bespinben/media/bloop_zpsk2mul0dp.jpg.html)

Bloop HAS arranged Francis Battle, as a solo, WITH the intro (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=2141.msg242467#msg242467).
It's just not on-site yet.

And, by the way, the one on-site that you're citing to justify yourself was submitted in January 2012 (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=4090.msg135172#msg135172).
Quality standards have improved since then.

tl;dr - Stop trying to drag us back to the dark ages.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: Xaoz on February 22, 2015, 10:08:59 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on February 22, 2015, 07:56:11 PMStop using Bloop as an excuse for justifying your inept arranging.

Exactly! Just because Bloop does not know what he is doing, does not mean you have to set your standards to his low level! Imagine everyone delivering sheets of Bloop's quality! What a horrible idea!

Spoiler
I <3 Bloop
[close]
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by King Sammer
Post by: King Sammer on February 23, 2015, 05:05:33 AM
Excuse me, but I will arrange it; as soon as I'm doing with Get Cooking.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: Sebastian on February 23, 2015, 08:06:28 AM
I see that my name is on this one  :P
I'll fix it for you.....
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: blueflower999 on February 23, 2015, 02:25:09 PM
MLF I hope you realize that you're a saint for doing this lol
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: Maelstrom on February 23, 2015, 02:27:38 PM
Or something worse by encouraging Sammer not to change.......
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: Nebbles on February 23, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
You really shouldn't be fixing all of his arrangements like this, y'know.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: Sebastian on February 23, 2015, 03:14:57 PM
O brother. Let's just say this:
I'd rather get good arrangements on the site quickly (despite whos name is on it) rather then just telling him what is wrong and having him change it. That would take exponential time.
But this time (unlike last time) I will explain what is wrong with it in
accordance with re-arrangingfixing up the sheet myself.

Besides, I need to get my reputation back.....helping people unselfishly and having lovingkindness outta do the trick :P

I'll have it done tomorrow Sammer. You better be thankful ;)
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: Xaoz on February 23, 2015, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: mariolegofan on February 23, 2015, 03:14:57 PMBesides, I need to get my reputation back.....

Not sure if helping a troll is gonna help you with this goal... But whatever...
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: Sebastian on February 23, 2015, 04:29:43 PM
Quote from: Xaoz on February 23, 2015, 04:18:33 PMNot sure if helping a troll is gonna help you with this goal... But whatever...
I'm not just helping him.
I'll help anyone who asks!
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: Sebastian on February 24, 2015, 03:48:38 PM
This is on the back burner for me.
I might have it done sometime this week.
I wanna do some replacements right now.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan & King Sammer
Post by: Sebastian on February 26, 2015, 08:06:17 PM
Now that Sammer is banned. I'll be changing this to my name ONLY
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Latios212 on February 26, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
Ah yes, nothing like crediting yourself with your own work :)
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Sebastian on February 26, 2015, 08:08:35 PM
Yeah ;)




EDIT: So there is no confusion for the Updaters, the files in the OP are NOT fixed. So, don't bother giving feedback on them 'till I get the brand new version up. I'm shootin' for sometime tomorrow to have that finished.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Sebastian on February 27, 2015, 10:30:15 AM
Ok!
Started from scratch with this one and the final product is in the OP! I worked a long time on this one and I think it's ready to go. Any feedback?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4cmZWS8Hb8
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Maelstrom on February 27, 2015, 10:41:04 AM
Much better. I'd recommend some 8vbs though. There are a few to many ledger lines in places.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - &quot;The Tile Pool&quot; by mariolegofan
Post by: Latios212 on February 27, 2015, 10:46:08 AM
Nice job! Correct me if I'm wrong but should the note beaming be changed to reflect the 3 beats in measures 14 and similar measures? Also fix the title on the second page.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Maelstrom on February 27, 2015, 10:47:23 AM
^He's right, you know.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - &quot;The Tile Pool&quot; by mariolegofan
Post by: Sebastian on February 27, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
Quote from: Latios212 on February 27, 2015, 10:46:08 AMNice job! Correct me if I'm wrong but should the note beaming be changed to reflect the 3 beats in measures 14 and similar measures? Also fix the title on the second page.
Ok.....I'll get that stuff.

Quote from: Maelstrom on February 27, 2015, 10:41:04 AMMuch better. I'd recommend some 8vbs though. There are a few to many ledger lines in places.
F isn't that low is it?
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Maelstrom on February 27, 2015, 11:31:06 AM
I belive Oli said a good limit is 3. You've got 4 in places. It just makes it easier to read.
And an 8va in 5-8 would be nice too.

edit: And as a general rule, (by me) if you have a few measures without anything above that G line, an 8va should be implemented.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Sebastian on February 27, 2015, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: Maelstrom on February 27, 2015, 11:31:06 AMI belive Oli said a good limit is 3. You've got 4 in places. It just makes it easier to read.
And an 8va in 5-8 would be nice too.

edit: And as a general rule, (by me) if you have a few measures without anything above that G line, an 8va should be implemented.
Ok! I'll get it!
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Sebastian on February 27, 2015, 12:44:08 PM
ALL fixed!
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Maelstrom on February 27, 2015, 12:46:02 PM
Quote from: Maelstrom on February 27, 2015, 11:31:06 AMAnd an 8va in 5-8 would be nice too.
And it's not always clear where the 8bv line belongs. Sometimes it is just way too close to the treble clef.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Sebastian on February 27, 2015, 01:19:09 PM
I see.
Title: Re: [Wii] Super Paper Mario - "The Tile Pool" by mariolegofan
Post by: Sebastian on March 07, 2015, 07:22:22 AM
Also got the File Info. fixed on this one.