Submission Information:
Series: Pokémon
Game: Pokémon Colosseum
Console: Nintendo GameCube
Title: Pyrite Building
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Pianist Da Sootopolis (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4243)
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I don't know why you've deleted your submissions on this theme before a couple of times. You know you can just edit your submissions in the NSM-Panel instead of re-posting them.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on July 05, 2015, 01:32:28 PMI don't know why you've deleted your submissions on this theme before a couple of times. You know you can just edit your submissions in the NSM-Panel instead of re-posting them.
I had reasons at the time, no doubt they were bogus.
That aside, what should I fix?
Besides general formatting stuff (arranger, composer) I would recommend fixing measure 14. There's no reason for it to be on a line all by itself. If that can be fixed, you can probably shorten the song to two pages, as well. That would also be good. I also don't see the need for the last measure. Why not just let it end at the repeat? Or end it on a chord?
Anyway, I like your work on the articulations! They really help make the song have more depth!
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 05, 2015, 08:17:07 PMBesides general formatting stuff (arranger, composer) I would recommend fixing measure 14. There's no reason for it to be on a line all by itself. If that can be fixed, you can probably shorten the song to two pages, as well. That would also be good. I also don't see the need for the last measure. Why not just let it end at the repeat? Or end it on a chord?
Anyway, I like your work on the articulations! They really help make the song have more depth!
Just realized these are the wrong files, I'm pretty sure.
Agfhgdfgkj XML importation...
Will fix these.
Quote from: Pianist Da Sootopolis on July 05, 2015, 10:07:28 PMAgfhgdfgkj XML importation...
Yeah, that's what I figured. :P
That's why I always do the formatting last in an arrangement, after I've already made the conversion to Notepad.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 05, 2015, 11:05:45 PMYeah, that's what I figured. :P
That's why I always do the formatting last in an arrangement, after I've already made the conversion to Notepad.
Made these changes. Should be better now.
Gonna make some food (yummy Thai curry), maybe call it a night, lol.
Let me know what you think?
Ok, so. I was going to make a simple edit to fix the "Composed by" and "Arranged by" area, when I noticed an interesting glitch in your sheet. Starting in measure 12, your left hand had been transposed up a few notes. It made the section sound completely off. So, I went out of my way and fixed it (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gm0hzfsksama0js/Pyrite%20Building.mus?dl=0). This led to another problem, that is beyond my capabilities of fixing. The XML conversion doesn't recognize the change back to the bass cleft. It's all correct, note-wise, just in treble cleft form. Really annoying.
I created another version (https://www.dropbox.com/s/247jk8c2c7627s5/Pyrite%20Building%20Alternate.mus?dl=0) of your sheets, but it has the same problem with the treble cleft. This alternate version has a few differences than your version, based on what I believe you were trying to do, but what XML conversion was incapable of doing.
-Extended the 8va from measure 3 to measure 4, and lowered the second layer in measure 4 to compensate.
-Extended another 8va from measure 6 to 7.
-For measures 18 and 20, I moved the last two repeating chords to the left hand. I believe that this creates a more clean sheet. I also added a grace note to the Bb in both measures.
-I changed the last measure almost completely. I edited the timing of the notes to be, I believe, more accurate to the original song.
Of course, all of these changes are completely undermined by the fact that the left hand is in the treble cleft from measure 12 to the end, which it is not supposed to be. Incredibly frustrating, I assure you. :)
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 06, 2015, 07:45:53 AMOk, so. I was going to make a simple edit to fix the "Composed by" and "Arranged by" area, when I noticed an interesting glitch in your sheet. Starting in measure 12, your left hand had been transposed up a few notes. It made the section sound completely off. So, I went out of my way and fixed it (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gm0hzfsksama0js/Pyrite%20Building.mus?dl=0). This led to another problem, that is beyond my capabilities of fixing. The XML conversion doesn't recognize the change back to the bass cleft. It's all correct, note-wise, just in treble cleft form. Really annoying.
I created another version (https://www.dropbox.com/s/247jk8c2c7627s5/Pyrite%20Building%20Alternate.mus?dl=0) of your sheets, but it has the same problem with the treble cleft. This alternate version has a few differences than your version, based on what I believe you were trying to do, but what XML conversion was incapable of doing.
-Extended the 8va from measure 3 to measure 4, and lowered the second layer in measure 4 to compensate.
-Extended another 8va from measure 6 to 7.
-For measures 18 and 20, I moved the last two repeating chords to the left hand. I believe that this creates a more clean sheet. I also added a grace note to the Bb in both measures.
-I changed the last measure almost completely. I edited the timing of the notes to be, I believe, more accurate to the original song.
Of course, all of these changes are completely undermined by the fact that the left hand is in the treble cleft from measure 12 to the end, which it is not supposed to be. Incredibly frustrating, I assure you. :)
Many thanks for the edits- I believe I fixed them last night (at least, it opens that way in Finale 2014).
-I definitely fixed the two step down transposition that happened for whatever reason.
-Didn't fix the 8va, should do that.
-For the last two, I very much appreciate you doing that, as I was up late last night trying to find out how to do the RH/LH "brackets" (for lack of a better word).
Many thanks for the edited sheet!
EDIT: Just confirmed that the sheet opens correctly in Finale 2014. Maybe the clef change wasn't read right by Notepad?
Thanks so much for helping with all of this!
Hate to sound whiny, but I've fixed these things, is there anything else that should be done to this?
I'd wait until an actual updater comments their thoughts on it. Not to undermine anyone else's musical knowledge, but it is the updater's final decision that really matters. Just be a little more patient.
Also, I literally just submitted my own arrangement of this when I saw yours (I've deleted mine though because first come first serve, you win). Our arrangements are pretty different though.
Alright. Just thought I'd draw some attention to this, since it was kinda untouched after I fixed it (I think I did, anyways).
I'd love to see your arrangement, though. Is it on your personal arrangement thread?
Eh, there is one on my arrangement thread I think, but it's severely outdated and prob terrible. I've been working on organizing and fixing up my dropbox because I ran out of space so I can't really give you the link until I figure out why nothing is syncing
nvm, figured it out. (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/iyy6snbsy2bic56/AADnTUJDvdL5kahdXZFHeeypa?dl=0)
I took a look at your old one, it was interesting (tied notes where I just added a second voice).
Many thanks for the link.
EDIT: This is an interesting note- right at measure ten, you have the alberti figure in the RH along with the upper voice, while the LH still continues the c diminished bass figure. How were you intending that to be played, seeing as it's not only nearly impossible to voice correctly but also reaches far at times (on the and of 4, you have a 12th written).
Personally I put it the way I did in the arrangement because it creates tension right before the main theme of the piece comes in, and so that it's playable (the bass dropping out creates tension and frees the LH to play the voice below the alberti figure)
Whoops, I went through and fixed most of the unplayable chords but I guess I missed that one. I see what you mean about building suspense and tension, but I personally don't like dropping too many voices. What if those two measures change to this then?:
Spoiler
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FrfMVB2r.png&hash=2f99576dc47105aebf0f40af382fb4927bf4f63f)
(the second LH groupings are just bumped up and down in each measure respectively)
That way all the original feel and notes for the song are kept, but the octaves get messed with for extra emotion
Anyway, that's just my own arrangement. It's got little to do with your own that's being submitted here :P
The 12th is still there (the "and" of 4 on the first measure in the spoiler), though.
That could be done, but in the right hand it still is damn near unplayable.
Anyways, so we're waiting for a mod to come look at this?
Again, I hate to be whiny, but when the update thread for each month (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7306.0;topicseen) has been posted already and the mods are looking at others sheets as they come out, I feel like this is being ignored a bit. Maybe it's irrational, but I was hoping to at least get some feedback on this, preferably have it submitted if it was good to go. My other arrangement wasn't good, and that I get and as such I deleted the submission. But this one was just a bit frustrating to have gathering it dust when it seemed ready to submit (though if people have criticisms, again, I want to hear them so I can fix them and make the sheet better!). Apologies for the rant.
Sorry to hear, but that update is the only update that has happened since you submitted this, and that isn't unusual. : /
We try to do regular monthly updates for consistency, rather than hold off waiting for a couple more sheets. Please don't be offended, you'll have your time in the spotlight soon enough!
Quote from: Latios212 on July 23, 2015, 09:06:26 PMWe try to do regular monthly updates for consistency, rather than hold off waiting for a couple more sheets. Please don't be offended, you'll have your time in the spotlight soon enough!
I get that, but I submitted this on July 4th, finished editing on July 6th.
Maybe I'm just being overly b**chy, lol, but this is kinda frustrating, especially considering the lack of communication; even something like "Hey, you probably won't get in this month but it should be set for next month's!" would've been great and totally understood. Plus, I'm sure there are still some things that more experienced arrangers would catch here, so I'd quite appreciate at least a little communication via PM.
That said, I'm also very new to the site and not super familiar with how things work around here, so I might just be being super arrogant and stuff, so if that's the case I apologize.
The important thing to remember is that the updaters have lives of their own. They have their own arrangements to complete. And they sometimes take time to work on Arrangement Projects. Then, after all of this, they need to go out of their way to either critique or accept dozens of sheets each month. They accepted 29 sheets in about 30 days this update; that's an incredible pace, imo. Next update, we should reach 2,500 arrangements, which is
insane! ;D
Quote from: Pianist Da Sootopolis on July 23, 2015, 09:35:18 PMMaybe I'm just being overly b**chy, lol, but this is kinda frustrating, especially considering the lack of communication; even something like "Hey, you probably won't get in this month but it should be set for next month's!" would've been great and totally understood. Plus, I'm sure there are still some things that more experienced arrangers would catch here, so I'd quite appreciate at least a little communication via PM.
I can completely sympathize with this sentiment. I submitted two arrangements on June 23rd. Only one was accepted. As far as I know, the other wasn't even looked at. But you know what? It happens. As long as you continue to show interest in the arrangement (i.e. a friendly bump if nothing has happened in roughly 2-3 weeks), then it's fine. A PM wouldn't really be helpful in this scenario. It's nothing personal against you; they just have a ton of work to do. Writing a pm to every arranger telling them that their arrangement won't make the next update would be more time-consuming than helpful. It'd be better to get one more arrangement into the update, imo. :P
I don't get it, it'll just be in the next update. I'm from a time when we went months without any updates, so I have less sympathy. Sorry :/
I'm more frustrated with the lack of any communication than it not being in the update, but I get what you're saying.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 23, 2015, 10:45:03 PMThe important thing to remember is that the updaters have lives of their own.
I probably should have announced this earlier, but it's perfectly fine to PM or Skype me if you want to talk about a submission. In fact, I encourage it. Feel better?
I cleaned up your sheet a bit. I manage to fit it on one page and also made the correct note groupings. By that I mean, when you have a song with up-beat rhythm you need to show the 3rd beat in 4/4, either by a note or by a rest. So you might need to beam 8ths instead of quarter notes.
Here is the file: MUS (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24842881/Pyrite%20Building.zip)
Many thanks- I'll open it in Finale 2014 when I get back to my computer.
Quote from: Latios212 on July 24, 2015, 12:03:18 PMI probably should have announced this earlier, but it's perfectly fine to PM or Skype me if you want to talk about a submission. In fact, I encourage it. Feel better?
Cool, thanks. Will do.
I'm the one who told you to delete "A Grand Tale", and I'm the one who has been avoiding this submission. If you vent your frustrations as some enigmatic group-body, that only propounds the frustrations. I'm the one at fault.
But, alas, now I am here!
I only got through measures 1-11, but I still noticed a big issue: octave registration. The bass should be an octave lower, the figure at m. 3 & 6 should be an octave higher, and the guitar at m. 8-9 (and 10-11) should be an octave lower.
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1111.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh475%2FBespinben%2Flikethis_zpsyddeehxb.jpg&hash=10c62c162711668f49b1d0ca792b29b7a17cc872) (http://s1111.photobucket.com/user/Bespinben/media/likethis_zpsyddeehxb.jpg.html)
You'll also notice in my draft above my solution to your arranging dilemma @ m. 10-11. Use the pedal to sustain the low A of the bass line. This will create that tension you desire that leads into m. 12.
Hmm. Interesting idea... but doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of an 8va mark if it's often low enough to go own lower ledger lines, when without it it would be notated mostly fine?
Octave registration issues duely noted.
Also, is it soto voce or sotto voce? I could've sworn the latter is what's in my Chopin editions and such, but I'd be happy to be corrected.
Just did a bunch of tweaking. The panel says the file is too large now, so I'm just going to give you guys the .mus and .musx via dropbox.
Here's the ZIP. (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n7o79tifjrc383h/AACY4NzzBQ4YDipFHnMhBjHja?dl=0)The other files are in there
*friendly bump*
*another friendly bump*
*a third friendly bump*
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Eh, that was kinda attention-whorish.
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"Enough."
We understand you want your sheet to be reviewed, but please be patient, we try to go through the subs as fast and as good as we can! :v
This should prolly have my name on it too, just sayin'.
This submission has been accepted by DonValentino (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1068).
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