TWG LXXXII: File Island
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar12345
2. Latios212
3. Fank009
4. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow
8. Dude
9. NocturneOfShadow
10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
All PM's have been sent. It's now night 1. Night 1 will end July 26th 4:00AM PST/5:00AM MST/6:00AM CST/7:00AM EST/1:00PM CET/July 27th 12AM in New Zealand
yaaaay game! ;D
Oh dear I'm going to spend an hour just reading this
I'll be on chat later today I promise
Quote from: Latios212 on July 25, 2015, 09:19:15 AMOh dear I'm going to spend an hour just reading this
I'll be on chat later today I promise
Latios confirmed nongreen
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 25, 2015, 12:20:04 PMLatios confirmed nongreen
how does that even make any sense, the rules are just really long
So people can change alliances by chance? Also, would 1 night phase and 1 day phase count as 2 phases or 1?
It's important to note that the two starting wolves are guaranteed to stay wolves, thought everyone else can flippy flop everywhere.
does everyone start as in training digimon
No.
That's only green humans
Quote from: davy on July 25, 2015, 03:44:57 AMRookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
QuoteThe game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Everyone starts as a rookie digimon, even green humans. The OP could of been a bit more clear though rather than making us cross reference.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 25, 2015, 01:05:25 PMEveryone starts as a rookie digimon, even green humans. The OP could of been a bit more clear though rather than making us cross reference.
Except Jijimon.
I also have a couple of questions about Jijimon, are dead Digimon automatically reborn? Or do they have to request?
Quote from: Latios212 on July 25, 2015, 01:11:21 PMI also have a couple of questions about Jijimon, are dead Digimon automatically reborn? Or do they have to request?
Oh damn, Jijimon. I'm wondering the same thing, the first line indicates one way and the second indicates another.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 25, 2015, 12:54:38 PMSo people can change alliances by chance?
Yes, people can change allegiance by chance (I assume that's what you meant).
Quote from: FireArrow on July 25, 2015, 12:54:38 PMAlso, would 1 night phase and 1 day phase count as 2 phases or 1?
That would count for 2 phases.
Quote from: Latios212 on July 25, 2015, 01:11:21 PMI also have a couple of questions about Jijimon, are dead Digimon automatically reborn? Or do they have to request?
Dead digimon are automatically reborn as a random In-Training digimon. Living digimon may request Jijimon to be reborn immidiately as the In-Training digimon of their choice. I'll update the OP.
Aye, those are different words, the more you know.
Oooo... this is confusing, but I think I've got it all! :D
This happened pretty quickly, I'm still waiting for the post game of the last twg :/
And omg this one looks so confusing I'm going to have to read the op a thousand times >~<
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(I'm actually really excited to see how this turns out.)
If I die I want mlf to sub me
lol
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 25, 2015, 03:00:10 PMIf I die I want mlf to sub me
you shall be reborn as mlf...
in other news wheres the chat?
Quote from: fank009 on July 25, 2015, 03:36:57 PMin other news wheres the chat?
chat (https://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23TWG&server=irc.nfnet.org)
Oh, I have a game question. Can two players be the same Digimon at the same time?
Quote from: Dudeman on July 25, 2015, 04:50:47 PMOh, I have a game question. Can two players be the same Digimon at the same time?
Yes, that is entirely possible.
chatlog
16:38 Brawler4Ever cardflipping is where we see the color of a player when they die, right?
16:38 fankphone Actually no,
16:38 Dudeman42 Okay, true.
16:38 fankphone Im pretty sure there are a few safe paths...
16:38 fankphone Need to have a look again
16:38 Dudeman42 Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
16:39 fankphone At the end of a Day phase...
16:39 Dudeman42 If you get wolfed, there's a 50% chance you'll become a wolf, if my reading is correct.
16:39 fankphone Sounds right
16:39 Brawler4Ever if the resurrecter is still alive, right?
16:39 Dudeman42 Right.
16:39 Brawler4Ever ok
16:39 fankphone People who are lynched arent wolves
16:39 Dudeman42 Wow, what if the wolves get lucky and kill Jijimon night 1?
16:40 Dudeman42 "People who are lynched arent wolves"
16:40 Brawler4Ever we would find out pretty soon, right?
16:40 Dudeman42 Well, Tanemon has a 50% chance of becoming one.
16:40 Dudeman42 But yeah, small chance overall.
16:41 Dudeman42 Okay, Tanemon is guaranteed to become a wolf if they survive four phases.
16:41 Dudeman42 50% chance they'll become one after 1 phase.
16:42 Brawler4Ever he eventually becomes saedramon, right?
16:43 Brawler4Ever so confusing! -_-
16:43 Dudeman42 And Vegiemon.
16:43 Dudeman42 *and/or
16:43 Dudeman42 It's only going to be confusing once we're a few phases in.
16:43 Brawler4Ever oh ok I see that
16:43 Dudeman42 I'll run a few probability tests as people die :3
16:43 Dudeman42 That'll be fun.
16:43 Brawler4Ever I have a feeling that RNG is going to win this game
16:43 Brawler4Ever regardless of what actually happens
16:44 Dudeman42 ^^
16:44 fankphone Eh
16:44 fankphone If you knew what to do, you dont nees rng
16:44 Brawler4Ever except that I don't know what I'm doing xD
16:44 Brawler4Ever well, technically I do
16:45 Dudeman42 You wanna spill on your role?
16:45 Brawler4Ever I'm just not super-experienced with all of this
16:45 Brawler4Ever not really
16:45 Dudeman42 Didn't think so.
16:45 Brawler4Ever I'm still trying to understand it xD
16:45 Dudeman42 The game?
16:45 Dudeman42 Simple. Don't evolve into a wolf.
16:46 fankphone Some things you cant help...
16:46 Brawler4Ever right
16:46 Brawler4Ever "simple"
16:46 Dudeman42 (the irony is strong with this one)
16:46 Brawler4Ever ikr?
16:46 fankphone Im pretty sure
16:46 Dudeman42 So, players can PM Jijimon to be reborn.
16:47 fankphone Yeah...
16:47 Dudeman42 But how can we know his identity unless he claims?
16:47 Dudeman42 Then the wolves can just kill 'im.
16:47 fankphone I think
16:47 fankphone Thats the catch
16:47 Dudeman42 So, guardian has to claim successfully, then Jijimon can claim to guardian, then people can claim to jijimon.
16:47 Brawler4Ever jijimon can at least live until Night 2 right? I think?
16:48 Dudeman42 Unless he gets wolfed first night.
16:48 fankphone Dudeman, thats a nice idea and all
16:49 Brawler4Ever if the guardian guards Night 1, he can't on Night 2
16:49 fankphone But its not effective to have everythig through a placebo
16:49 fankphone 1, guardian is dead...
16:50 fankphone 2, wolves would still eventually find out jiji, eliminating the effect of him being in the shadows
16:51 Dudeman42 So, is there an effective way to figuring out Jiji's identity?
16:51 Dudeman42 Or is that power basically useless now?
16:51 Dudeman42 (Also I just posted a game-related question in the topic)
16:52 Brawler4Ever good question
16:52 fankphone Qs go to the host, not the topic....
16:52 Brawler4Ever I think that they have to be?
16:52 Dudeman42 Well, it's about the game as a whole.
16:52 fankphone Because its telling
16:52 Dudeman42 It affects everyone.
16:52 Brawler4Ever i dunno, me not knowing about the Piercing didn't help me last game
16:52 fankphone There are still tells you can get from it
16:52 Brawler4Ever jk
16:53 Dudeman42 If everyone's roles are determined randomly, there's a chance that two people end up the same digimon.
16:53 Dudeman42 That might create some conflict of roles down the line? Not sure.
16:53 Brawler4Ever i think that we're all different right now
16:53 Dudeman42 Well, we are now. As soon as some people die that could change.
16:53 Brawler4Ever but if we're ressed, we might become the same didmon?
16:53 Brawler4Ever rught
16:53 Brawler4Ever right*
16:54 Brawler4Ever davy says it's possible
16:54 Brawler4Ever so mystery solves
16:54 Brawler4Ever solved*
16:54 Dudeman42 Hoo boy.
16:54 Brawler4Ever typing, please
16:55 Brawler4Ever so any player that is initially ressed is human...
16:55 Brawler4Ever but based on the specific digimon into which they ress, they can become a wolf
16:55 Brawler4Ever correct?
16:55 Dudeman42 (what's ressing)
16:56 Brawler4Ever being ressurected
16:56 Brawler4Ever by jijimon
16:56 Dudeman42 (okay, ty)
16:56 Dudeman42 Your question is correct.
16:56 Brawler4Ever ok
16:56 Brawler4Ever i think im getting this game
16:57 Brawler4Ever but I'll probably make a horrible, game-ending decision
16:57 Brawler4Ever and if so, I apologize in advance xD
16:57 Dudeman42 Give me a sec and I'll find which In-Training 'mons are the completely safe ones.
16:57 Dudeman42 Tanemon's out.
16:57 Brawler4Ever (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
16:58 Brawler4Ever so none of them are completely safe
16:58 Dudeman42 (well, which specific ones will be guaranteed to become a wolf)
16:58 Brawler4Ever it just depends on the timing
16:58 Brawler4Ever oh, right
16:58 fankphone There is one safe path....
16:58 Dudeman42 ('cause you could request a role that will become a wolf if you want to join the wolves)
16:58 fankphone To digivolve
16:58 fankphone To always stay human
16:59 Brawler4Ever which one?
16:59 Dudeman42 But it's only 5% possible. I see it.
16:59 fankphone ...
16:59 Dudeman42 Wait, that's not even possible.
16:59 Dudeman42 Hold it.
16:59 fankphone Hang on...
16:59 Brawler4Ever lol
16:59 Dudeman42 I keep forgetting Blue's human too.
17:00 Dudeman42 RESTART
17:00 Brawler4Ever a player can only become kunemon at the end of the Day Phase
17:00 Brawler4Ever if they are ressed at the END of the Day phase, they spend their training at Night
17:00 Dudeman42 Boom.
17:00 Brawler4Ever therefore, they cannot become Kunemon
17:00 Brawler4Ever Boom
17:00 Brawler4Ever I think?
17:00 Brawler4Ever xD
17:01 Dudeman42 That is correct.
17:01 Dudeman42 See, you're getting the hang of it.
17:01 fankphone Thats what I said
17:01 fankphone Those lynched cant be wolves
17:02 Brawler4Ever jijimon can pm them saying, "tell davy to have you ressed" if they are flipped human
17:02 Brawler4Ever ok that makes sense now
17:03 Brawler4Ever he never needs to claim
17:03 Dudeman42 Ah! Genius solution, Brawler.
17:03 Brawler4Ever does that sound right, fank?
17:03 fankphone ...
17:03 Brawler4Ever no...?
17:03 fankphone Sounds right
17:03 Brawler4Ever lol
17:03 Dudeman42 Yay.
17:03 fankphone Sound's broken
17:04 fankphone Lets go for it
17:04 Dudeman42 Okay, Tsunomon and Tokomon are the most safe revivals.
17:04 fankphone ... no?
17:05 fankphone I thought it was koromon?
17:05 Dudeman42 Tsunomon's safer, though, 'cause a later form of Tokomon has a chance of becoming a wolf if it dies.
17:05 Dudeman42 No, Koromon can become Greymon.
17:06 fankphone ..
17:06 Dudeman42 *MetalGreymon, oops.
17:07 Brawler4Ever yeah koromon becomes a wolf later
17:07 Brawler4Ever reading tokomon...
17:07 Dudeman42 (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
17:07 Dudeman42 Angemon digivolves from Patamon digivolves from Tokomon.
17:08 fankphone True...
17:08 Brawler4Ever i don't even seen angemon
17:08 Brawler4Ever nvm got him
17:08 fankphone I was just thinking of the awesome ability to disable abilities
17:08 Brawler4Ever that includes, wolfings, correct?
17:09 Dudeman42 Wolfings are a natural process; I don't think you can cancel them.
17:09 Dudeman42 Like a lynch, it must happen(?).
17:09 Brawler4Ever not sure
17:09 Brawler4Ever (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
17:09 Brawler4Ever for Mamemon
17:09 Brawler4Ever what does this mean?
17:09 Dudeman42 Read the next two roles.
17:10 Dudeman42 MetalMamemon and Giromon.
17:10 Brawler4Ever oh ok
17:10 Dudeman42 So a Mamemon can request to modify itself, but it can become a wolf as a result.
17:10 fankphone I'll be afk
17:10 Brawler4Ever ok
17:10 Dudeman42 It's basically just another human if it doesn't modify.
17:11 Brawler4Ever but it can choose to not modify itself?
17:11 Dudeman42 Yes.
17:11 Brawler4Ever ok
17:12 Brawler4Ever so tsunonomon seems like the safest bet
17:12 Dudeman42 Yes.
17:12 Dudeman42 I'll look into it some more (omg I love probability trees), but that's what it looks like.
17:12 Brawler4Ever sweet
17:13 Dudeman42 And Tanemon's your best bet if you want to join the wolves.
17:13 Brawler4Ever traitors xD
17:13 Brawler4Ever but jijimon knows which digimon is chosen
17:13 Dudeman42 Hey, it's the difference between being on the winning side and not on the winning side.
17:13 Brawler4Ever yeah, that's true
17:13 Dudeman42 And?
17:14 Brawler4Ever he would know if somebody is trying to defect
17:14 Brawler4Ever by choosing tanemon
17:14 Brawler4Ever right?
17:15 Dudeman42 But if he says anything about it, people might suspect he's Jijimon and the wolves kill him.
17:15 Dudeman42 You know, I like how this game makes it so that different people end up being wolves.
17:16 Dudeman42 Then you can't use someone's past actions against them.
17:16 Dudeman42 You have to read everything as it comes.
17:16 fankphone This game has the potential to go on for months
17:17 Dudeman42 At some point, Jijimon will die and then it won't.
17:17 fankphone (Dudeman42) Then you can't use someone's past actions against them.
17:17 fankphone I think you can tell whos playibg for the next phase and all
17:17 Brawler4Ever lol
17:18 Dudeman42 Hm. You might have a point.
17:18 Brawler4Ever so who, right now, can become a wolf?
17:18 Brawler4Ever agumon
17:18 fankphone ...
17:18 fankphone 3 phases though
17:19 Dudeman42 Hold up, Shellmon doesn't evolve.
17:19 Dudeman42 Interesting.
17:19 fankphone I think hell go into the wolf role?
17:19 Dudeman42 What, Shellmon?
17:20 fankphone I have this strange feeling...
17:20 fankphone That humans should kill jijimon within a few phases...
17:20 Brawler4Ever lol what?
17:20 Dudeman42 'Cause they'll outnumber the wolves then.
17:21 Brawler4Ever sorry afk 1 sec
17:21 fankphone Well... turn wolves to humans ..
17:21 Dudeman42 Yes.
17:21 fankphone Then before everyone else flips
17:24 Brawler4Ever im back
17:24 Brawler4Ever isn't the ressurection optional?
17:24 Dudeman42 The chosen ress is optional.
17:25 Dudeman42 If Jiji's alive, you ress. No exceptions.
17:25 Brawler4Ever oh
17:25 Brawler4Ever totally misread that xD
17:25 Brawler4Ever but if everybody chooses tsunomon
17:26 Brawler4Ever then, theoretically, nobody becomes a wolf
17:26 Brawler4Ever if they choose not to modify
17:26 Brawler4Ever ...
17:26 Brawler4Ever ok I think that I see your point
17:26 Brawler4Ever having a bunch of Mamemons means that at any time, a bunch of wolves could be born
17:27 Brawler4Ever at a 50% chance
17:27 Brawler4Ever each
17:27 Dudeman42 If they choose to modify.
17:27 Brawler4Ever but if they think that the wolves are going to win, why wouldn't they?
17:27 Brawler4Ever it's a 50% chance at a potential victory
17:27 Dudeman42 ...Unless they don't want to be a wolf.
17:28 Brawler4Ever which makes sense to me
17:28 Brawler4Ever but I'm thinking of everything
17:28 Dudeman42 Let's just take the game as it comes.
17:28 Brawler4Ever lol
17:29 Dudeman42 Should we post this chat now?
17:29 fankphone Just shows you how individual this game is.
17:29 fankphone If you want
17:29 fankphone I can't
17:29 Dudeman42 Not much else to disucss
17:29 Dudeman42 *discuss
17:29 Dudeman42 Brawler you're infecting me
17:29 fankphone Maybr
17:30 Brawler4Ever ironic, I also go by the name MadCouchDisease
17:30 Brawler4Ever xD
A long one; the first few lines were lost but nothing important is missing. We just started discussing the ins and outs of the game.
On for a bit, but super busy. I'll catch you guys tomorrow.
Quote from: Latios212 on July 25, 2015, 07:58:08 PMOn for a bit, but super busy. I'll catch you guys tomorrow.
wat a wulf
So after tonight everyone gets to level up, do we get new role pm's or what
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 25, 2015, 08:56:44 PMSo after tonight everyone gets to level up, do we get new role pm's or what
3 phases from now you mean?
hi
Quote from: davy on July 25, 2015, 03:44:57 AMAfter being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
Since we are all Rookie Digimon, every player will digivolved at the end of Night 2, with the exception of Jijimon, who does not ever Digivolve.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 25, 2015, 08:56:44 PMdo we get new role pm's or what
I would assume that that is how it works; some Digi-evolutions have multiple possible outcomes. A pm from davy would be required, or so I'm assuming.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 25, 2015, 10:01:06 PMSince we are all Rookie Digimon, every player will digivolved at the end of Night 2, with the exception of Jijimon, who does not ever Digivolve.
I would assume that that is how it works; some Digi-evolutions have multiple possible outcomes. A pm from davy would be required, or so I'm assuming.
I don't think so, given this... I guess only powers are...
Quote from: davy on July 25, 2015, 03:44:57 AMPlayers may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
also out of curiosity... no real remarks about jiji... people must really be wanting to be protective of them...
I think I'll get a table going to track everything, I think there will be a time where we need to know some things
| Name | Phase |
| Olimar12345 | R0 |
| Latios212 | R0 |
| Fank009 | R0 |
| Brawler4Ever | R0 |
| BlackDragonSlayer | R0 |
| Dudeman | R0 |
| FireArrow | R0 |
| Dude | R0 |
| NocturneOfShadow | R0 |
| Bubbles | R0 |
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 25, 2015, 08:56:44 PMSo after tonight everyone gets to level up, do we get new role pm's or what
I'm saving this post for later... I don't get very good impressions from this.
TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar12345
2. Latios212
3. Fank009
4. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow
8. Dude
9. NocturneOfShadow
10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
Latios212 died. He was green. Latios212 has been reborn. It's now Day 1. Day 1 will end July 28th 4:00AM PST/5:00AM MST/6:00AM CST/7:00AM EST/1:00PM CET/July 29th 12AM in New Zealand
Latios
Chat log explains the vote.
Quote from: fank009 on July 26, 2015, 04:50:34 AMLatios
Chat log explains the vote.
What? I was green and I still am green because when you get reborn you're GREEN how does this vote make any sense
Quote from: Latios212 on July 26, 2015, 05:01:28 AMWhat? I was green and I still am green because when you get reborn you're GREEN how does this vote make any sense
the odds of you being red next phase are quite high...
Quote16:39 fankphone People who are lynched arent wolves
Its what I like to call an insurance policy.
Ah right, the 50% Kunemon thing. Point taken.
If I'm understanding this correctly, fank is trying to lynch Latios to remove the 50% chance that he has to become a wolf on Night 2? Makes sense to me. Latios
So are we just gonna lynch whoever was wolfed the previous night? Not sure how good a strategy this is in the long run but why not Latios
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 26, 2015, 03:51:57 AMI'm saving this post for later... I don't get very good impressions from this.
I guess I read the wrong name
Not gonna lie, lynching Latios after he died is a hilarious concept even though it works out in the long run. I would like to point out, however, that there is still a 5/8 chance that he doesn't become a wolf anyway, if he is neither Kunemon or Tanemon. And if we lynch him now to bump our chances to 3/4, there's still the 1/4 chance that he revives as Tanemon, and then we won't be able to do anything before the day phase rolls around.
Buuuuuuut seeing as we have no other leads, I'll bandwagon just this once. Latios.
Dudeman, you're missing something, the 50% chance at the end of the day phase. Yeah there is still the possibility of still flipping wolf early, 25% is a heck of a lot less than 70 %, I like those odds
i'm here
I'll vote for Latios for now (sorry). Until I fully read through the OP and figure out this game's mechanics, fank seems to ave a good plan
For now I'm going to safety on Noct, discussion (or lack of) has resulted in the voting being too fast and I want to get some thoughts in before we skip the next phase. I do feel that latios is the best bet for now, but I want to hear a few people and get a few more angles before we move on.
I'm not sure how fond I am of this idea, I'll need to read the OP again. My main concern is that we're giving all the killing power to the wolves without progressing the game.
Also keep in mind the jijimon makes it impossible for us to mislynch.
The way I see it: The game won't end until either A) the current wolves die at least once or B) Jijimon dies. While lynching wolfing targets is not ideal, it's safe. The wolves can't win until they kill Jijimon, so we can narrow down targets as we get wolfed. Best case scenerio: the wolves don't hit Jijimon for several Nights and we continually re-lynch those targets, removing any chance of them becoming wolves, and not accidentally killing Jijimon. That's why I like fank's idea of lynching wolf targets; by process of elimination, we will find the wolves. We just have to wait them out.
Remember that the people we kill can still eventually become wolves if we pursue other people for a while. Keep in mind that every two lynches, the guy from the first of those lynches has become a champion digimon, which has a 15% chance of randomly wolfing. If we ignore certain people for too long, there's the chance that they wolf and then we have to go back to square one.
Also, via process of elimination, the wolves can just lynch every player progressively until they hit Jiji. No one's gonna digivolve into Jiji. That means, at maximum, we have 8 day phases to get all the wolves. Seems like a good long time, but with everyone reviving, it may come faster than we expect.
Quote from: davy on July 26, 2015, 04:01:31 AMLatios212 died. He was green.
rip in peace
Quote from: Latios212 on July 26, 2015, 05:01:28 AMWhat? I was green and I still am green because when you get reborn you're GREEN how does this vote make any sense
OH MAN YOU'RE ALIVE! You're aliiiiiiivvveee!!!!!
Fank's reasoning makes sense, but it seems a little too unnecessarily preventative, and like it would get nowhere, especially if we keep lynching people who have been wolfed. In my opinion, it would be better to let the vigi take care of Latios, and actually decide on a target who we find suspicious (keep in mind there
is a vigi, currently Agumon).
Quote from: FireArrow on July 26, 2015, 03:32:14 PMI'm not sure how fond I am of this idea, I'll need to read the OP again. My main concern is that we're giving all the killing power to the wolves without progressing the game.
Basically this.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 26, 2015, 03:48:01 PMThat's why I like fank's idea of lynching wolf targets; by process of elimination, we will find the wolves. We just have to wait them out.
Yes, but if we put the killing power with the wolves, then there's a higher % chance that they'll hit jijimon prematurely.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 26, 2015, 04:13:02 PMYes, but if we put the killing power with the wolves, then there's a higher % chance that they'll hit jijimon prematurely.
Quote from: Dudeman on July 26, 2015, 03:57:13 PMThat means, at maximum, we have 8 day phases to get all the wolves.
Essentially this. Plus inactives may or may not be more likely to be Jiji, if they want to stay alive as long as possible.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 26, 2015, 03:32:14 PMI'm not sure how fond I am of this idea, I'll need to read the OP again. My main concern is that we're giving all the killing power to the wolves without progressing the game.
I think I mentioned this in the chat.
as long as jiji is alive and stays hidden, wolves will always have night momentum. (-vig shots)
any night kills are more than likely to become wolves more than anything, do we have mislynches? I think we still do, just because we don't lose doesn't mean that we actually gain from a lynch... if we are at 4 with 2 coming wolves in the next few phases and we don't hit any of those 6... isn't that a mislynch?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 26, 2015, 04:01:20 PMIn my opinion, it would be better to let the vigi take care of Latios, and actually decide on a target who we find suspicious (keep in mind there is a vigi, currently Agumon).Basically this.
No, this is a bad idea, Vigi is as good as a wolfing and we still have that 50% flip. What I'm saying is is that kills in the day are a lot more beneficial to humans than those in the night, vig would be more productive looking for the starter wolves first than cleaning the scraps
Quote from: FireArrow on July 26, 2015, 04:13:02 PMYes, but if we put the killing power with the wolves, then there's a higher % chance that they'll hit jijimon prematurely.
2q. number one, why does hitting them prematurely sound like its bad for wolves...
2) Q2 why is there so much faith in jijimon yet we are just letting 'em rot?
Your plan relies on the wolves getting unlucky and never hitting jijimon. What if they hits jijimon tomorrow night or the next? We would be in a much better position if we also got 2 free lynches in that time span, doubling the amount of people we narrowed down without affecting our numbers. Human kills have a higher chance of hitting a starting wolf as well. I mean sure, if the wolves hit jijimon last then gg we win, but what are the chances?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 26, 2015, 04:01:20 PMIn my opinion, it would be better to let the vigi take care of Latios, and actually decide on a target who we find suspicious (keep in mind there is a vigi, currently Agumon).
Well if you vigi me at night we'll just end up right back where we are now with a >50% chance of me digivolving into a wolf after the next phase. Best kill me now.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 26, 2015, 04:28:17 PMYour plan relies on the wolves getting unlucky and never hitting jijimon. What if they hits jijimon tomorrow night or the next? We would be in a much better position if we also got 2 free lynches in that time span, doubling the amount of people we narrowed down without affecting our numbers. Human kills have a higher chance of hitting a starting wolf as well. I mean sure, if the wolves hit jijimon last then gg we win, but what are the chances?
...
FA's opinion: Jiji being alive = human win.
Fanks opinion: Jiji being alive = wolf win.
glad we could get that point out of the way quickly.
what you wanna do this phase instead FA, hunt for blues?
I'm really confused, I thought I understood your plan but now I don't - at all.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 26, 2015, 04:38:17 PMI'm really confused, I thought I understood your plan but now I don't - at all.
If you don't understand it, wolves don't ever :D
Quote from: FireArrow on July 26, 2015, 04:38:17 PMI'm really confused, I thought I understood your plan but now I don't - at all.
Yeah. Why don't we actually try to eliminate wolves...?
QuoteAfter being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
mixed rookie with in training, sorry bout that
Anyway, the thing with fank's plan is we also have a vigi. So fank's plan of keeping the wolf team as small as possible actually works-plus we'll know as soon as the wolves hit the vigi cause of cardflips. It's totally fine to just keep latios down as long as we hit BDS with the vigi
Latios212
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 26, 2015, 04:59:51 PMmixed rookie with in training, sorry bout that
Anyway, the thing with fank's plan is we also have a vigi. So fank's plan of keeping the wolf team as small as possible actually works-plus we'll know as soon as the wolves hit the vigi cause of cardflips. It's totally fine to just keep latios down as long as we hit BDS with the vigi
Why don't we hit you with the vigi, huh?
Second.
because I'm a greenbean lol
my suggestions for vigi are FA or BDS because they've been acting the most questionably imo so far
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 26, 2015, 05:32:25 PMbecause I'm a greenbean lol
my suggestions for vigi are FA or BDS because they've been acting the most questionably imo so far
different =/= questionable ;)
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 26, 2015, 05:32:25 PMbecause I'm a greenbean lol
my suggestions for vigi are FA or BDS because they've been acting the most questionably imo so far
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 25, 2015, 08:56:44 PMSo after tonight everyone gets to level up, do we get new role pm's or what
Yeah, about that "questionability"...
I mixed up in training and rookie
Quote from: davy on July 25, 2015, 03:44:57 AMJijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request.)
Is there a restriction on the type of Digimon someone can request to be born into?
Quote from: Latios212 on July 26, 2015, 07:04:08 PMIs there a restriction on the type of Digimon someone can request to be born into?
in training digimon???
not to mention no jiji in their right mind would let one digivolve to a certain mon
I changed my mind because I didn't fully understand jiji. As long as we have that rebirth power we should use it to the fullest, which lynching Latios would not do (besides, wouldn't he just be reborn again as another green??). I'll place a vote on BDS not because I think he's suspicious but because im picking a random player that won't actually die if he's lynched
Quote from: Bubbles on July 26, 2015, 08:45:47 PMI changed my mind because I didn't fully understand jiji. As long as we have that rebirth power we should use it to the fullest, which lynching Latios would not do (besides, wouldn't he just be reborn again as another green??).
There's currently a 50% chance that latios will become a wolf (kunemon) at the end of this phase. That chance is removed if latios is lynched.
Quote from: Bubbles on July 26, 2015, 08:45:47 PMim picking a random player that won't actually die if he's lynched
...Unless that player is Jijimon...
I'm having second thoughts on the latios lynch, but I'm not sure that a random lynch would be worth the risk.
So, we're lynching him because it delays when he becomes a wolf by one phase? Are we gonna lynch him every phase then so that he can never become a wolf? What about the others who get night killed?
A wolf isn't dangerous if you know they're a wolf. We can easily lynch latios after he digivolves if we need to, it's not like he becomes immune after evolving or anything.
Bubbles
Quote from: FireArrow on July 26, 2015, 09:07:05 PMSo, we're lynching him because it delays when he becomes a wolf by one phase? Are we gonna lynch him every phase then so that he can never become a wolf? What about the others who get night killed?
A wolf isn't dangerous if you know they're a wolf. We can easily lynch latios after he digivolves if we need to, it's not like he becomes immune after evolving or anything.
Bubbles
Actually, no still not getting it FA, the odds of him becoming a wolf this phase are MORE if we let him and digivolve this phase than if we lynch him
Quote from: fank009 on July 26, 2015, 09:11:00 PMActually, no still not getting it FA, the odds of him becoming a wolf this phase are MORE if we let him and digivolve this phase than if we lynch him
OH, you can only digivolve into kunemon at the end of a day phase. I'm on board with your plan now.
Safety on Dude
This game is confusing.
Also, couldn't you send a pm to everyone about being reborn? One of them is bound to be jiji, right?
Quote from: Dude on July 26, 2015, 09:54:34 PMAlso, couldn't you send a pm to everyone about being reborn? One of them is bound to be jiji, right?
Actually that's a really good plan :3
If you die PM every player to become an in-training digimon that isn't Tuneman.
Taneman*
Quote from: Latios212 on July 26, 2015, 07:04:08 PMIs there a restriction on the type of Digimon someone can request to be born into?
You can only be reborn into an In-Training Digimon.
On another note, after thinking about Jijimon a bit more, I have decided that he can only forward a reborn PM once per two phases. I'll update the OP.
logs from earlier
03:06:36: <fank009> or not...
03:06:41: <Latios> hi
03:06:42: <fank009> guessed I timed out
03:06:43: <fank009> hey
03:06:43: <Brawler4Ever> hey
03:06:45: <fank009> so
03:06:56: <fank009> thoughts on FA/Noct/BDDS
03:07:07: <Brawler4Ever> arguing about nothing, imo
03:07:08: <Latios> BDS seems kinda suspicious
03:07:13: <Latios> but yeah that^
03:07:16: <Brawler4Ever> but I'm not exactly an expert at finding wolves
03:07:34: <fank009> I think this post describes the situation the best...
03:07:54: <fank009> http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299367#msg299367
03:08:08: <fank009> Noct / Fa/BDS are on different sides of the line...
03:08:27: <fank009> I think the only reason why my name isnt being chucked around (yet) is because I
03:08:29: <Brawler4Ever> i noticed that you're not a fan of FA :P
03:08:35: <fank009> I'm "respected"
03:08:46: <Brawler4Ever> my question is why do you want to kill jijimon?
03:08:49: <fank009> not necesarily not a fan of FA
03:08:55: <fank009> simple
03:08:58: <Latios> guys I have to go now...
03:08:59: <Latios> bad timing
03:09:02: <fank009> it comes down to the fact that we have a vig
03:09:03: <Brawler4Ever> np cya
03:09:07: <Latios> Seeya.
03:09:26: <Brawler4Ever> true, we have a vigi
03:09:28: <fank009> Vig kill and wolf kill means there are 2 people who can potentially revive as wolves
03:09:29: <Brawler4Ever> but not forever
03:09:39: <fank009> we have it long enough...
03:09:54: <fank009> if jiji is still alive at day 3, we are in trouble
03:10:21: <Brawler4Ever> yeah, noc suggested that we have a mass role reveal on Day 3
03:10:36: <Brawler4Ever> to smoke out the wolves
03:10:53: <fank009> maybe...
03:11:50: <Brawler4Ever> the way I see it, we win a war of attrition
03:12:00: <Brawler4Ever> but I'm not sure
03:12:05: <Brawler4Ever> what with all of the role changes later
03:12:13: <fank009> so...
03:13:21: <Brawler4Ever> ?
03:13:38: <fank009> ...
03:13:47: <fank009> just thinking...
03:13:52: <Brawler4Ever> ok
03:13:58: <Brawler4Ever> thought you had a question or something :P
03:14:02: <Brawler4Ever> I'm rereading the OP
03:14:05: <Brawler4Ever> for the millionth time
03:14:14: <fank009> xD
03:15:29: <Brawler4Ever> im thinking about gabumon
03:15:38: <Brawler4Ever> and garurrumon, in extension
03:16:48: <Brawler4Ever> i almost feel like his power is a detriment to the humans
03:16:50: <fank009> like I said
03:16:56: <fank009> ...
03:16:58: <fank009> you think?
03:16:59: <fank009> depends
03:17:08: <fank009> I think its more a detriment to wolves
03:17:16: <Brawler4Ever> there are 3 wolves that can target people
03:17:20: <fank009> by the time everyone hits that stage of the game
03:17:31: <fank009> ...
03:17:34: <Brawler4Ever> wargreymon, devimon, and machinedramon
03:17:38: <fank009> don't forget wolfings and votes
03:17:47: <Brawler4Ever> do those count?
03:18:01: <Brawler4Ever> I wasn't sure if they did or not
03:18:19: <fank009> wait...
03:18:24: <fank009> maybe you're right
03:18:31: <Brawler4Ever> are they considered powers?
03:18:57: <fank009> dunno, thats worth a q
03:19:24: <Brawler4Ever> do you want to ask davy, or should I?
03:19:53: <fank009> Either or,
03:19:59: <fank009> send it via pm though...
03:20:06: <fank009> might get ya shot at night
03:20:26: <fank009> also, thoughts on what I sent ya?
03:20:28: <Brawler4Ever> yeah i'm sending it right now
03:21:51: <Brawler4Ever> what?
03:22:23: <Brawler4Ever> sent me what?
03:22:50: <fank009> what you using for chat? I sent ya something in private...
03:23:04: <Brawler4Ever> lol
03:23:05: <Brawler4Ever> i see it
03:23:13: <Brawler4Ever> i didn't even see it though
03:37:28: <fank009> so
03:37:31: <fank009> Jiji or blues
03:37:36: <fank009> take your pick
03:38:53: <Brawler4Ever> no idea :/
03:41:08: <Latios> what are you guys talking about
03:41:23: <fank009> about wether to lynch you or not
03:41:36: <Latios> Why wouldn't we?
03:41:45: <Brawler4Ever> because it's a wild goose chase
03:41:50: <fank009> because of the matter of timing...
03:41:53: <Brawler4Ever> especially if the vigi is active
03:41:59: <fank009> not necesarily a wild goose chase...
03:42:04: <fank009> there is merit to it...
03:42:11: <fank009> but the q comes down to psychology...
03:42:17: <fank009> if people think they are a human...
03:42:32: <Brawler4Ever> they'll act human
03:42:35: <Brawler4Ever> but then rapidly change
03:42:37: <fank009> they would play for a human win... regardless if they are actually a wolf or not
03:42:42: <Brawler4Ever> their history means nothing
03:42:49: <fank009> especially tanemon and that crew
03:42:52: <fank009> wait...
03:42:57: <fank009> so many mons
03:43:01: <Brawler4Ever> lol
03:43:04: <fank009> you know which ones im talking about
03:43:11: <Brawler4Ever> even latios wouldn't be completely safe
03:43:13: <Brawler4Ever> yeah
03:43:26: <Brawler4Ever> tanemon is 100% wolf after 1 phase
03:43:56: <Latios> what's your point
03:44:12: <Brawler4Ever> lynching you won't help
03:44:17: <Brawler4Ever> we need to kill the wolves now
03:44:23: <fank009> that too...
03:44:23: <Brawler4Ever> because they'll outnumber us later
03:44:41: <fank009> (which is why lynch latios in the beginning...)
03:44:48: <fank009> the thing is...
03:44:59: <fank009> you won't know your aleigance till day 3
03:45:02: <Brawler4Ever> there's no way that we can keep up with it in the long run
03:45:03: <fank009> or longer
03:45:06: <fank009> yeah...
03:45:09: <Brawler4Ever> he might be tanemon anyway
03:45:12: <fank009> Thats my point
03:45:19: <Latios> wait so fank... you still want to lynch me?
03:45:21: <Brawler4Ever> 25% at a 100% of being a wolf
03:45:21: <fank009> as to why we need to kill jiji
03:45:35: <Brawler4Ever> we're discussing it
03:45:43: <Brawler4Ever> pros and cons
03:45:47: <fank009> Im still in favour...
03:45:53: <Latios> Same here
03:45:55: <Latios> if I may ask for a moment
03:45:56: <Latios> why do we need to kill jiji
03:46:21: <Brawler4Ever> because of all of the potential wolves that come from being reborn
03:46:25: <fank009> ^
03:46:36: <fank009> 2-1 shots
03:46:39: <Brawler4Ever> 15% after 2 Days/2 Nights
03:46:40: <fank009> 2 shots at night...
03:46:45: <Brawler4Ever> on top of a 25% chance overall
03:46:58: <Latios> :/
03:47:00: <Latios> uh....
03:47:06: <fank009> at ~70% of being a wolf within 3 phases
03:47:25: <Brawler4Ever> add every lynch, wolf, and vigi together
03:47:27: <Latios> I see....
03:47:35: <Brawler4Ever> and at least a few will be wolves later on
03:47:38: <fank009> lynch is in our favour...
03:47:41: <Brawler4Ever> I'm not sold on the idea
03:47:46: <fank009> where we only get a 25% chance
03:47:50: <Brawler4Ever> I'm just presenting info atm
03:47:55: <fank009> ^
03:48:03: <Latios> I see the point you're trying to make
03:48:12: <Latios> respawning everyone does have its problems
03:48:13: <fank009> theres some things that I want...
03:48:44: <Latios> like?
03:49:15: <fank009> the thing about this game is that you can sometimes manipulate people to do exactly what you want.
03:49:48: <Brawler4Ever> like killing jijimon? xD
03:50:05: <fank009> xD
03:50:05: <Latios> ^
03:50:36: <Brawler4Ever> I didn't know about the 3 5% wolf chances before
03:50:44: <Brawler4Ever> when I said that we would win a war of attrition
03:50:56: <Brawler4Ever> so now I'm not sure :/
03:51:34: <Latios> me neither...
03:52:09: <Brawler4Ever> ...
03:53:03: <Brawler4Ever> latios, do you know if wolfing counts as a power?
03:53:12: <fank009> The worse thing...
03:53:21: <fank009> in my opinion
03:53:24: <Latios> "power" in what sense
03:53:34: <Brawler4Ever> garurumon
03:53:44: <Brawler4Ever> has a 25% chance at killing someone that targets him
03:53:56: <Latios> probably counts
03:54:04: <Brawler4Ever> if that includes wolfing, then that's fine
03:54:15: <Brawler4Ever> if not, I think that would be more detrimental than helpful
03:54:21: <Brawler4Ever> still waiting on a reply from davy
03:54:38: <Brawler4Ever> what were you saying fank?
03:55:11: <fank009> is how much time delay there is till greens know wether they are blue or red
03:55:29: <Brawler4Ever> I would assume as soon as the Day/Night is over
03:55:37: <Brawler4Ever> and whenever davy gets around to everybody
03:55:39: <Latios> probably
03:55:54: <Latios> ... guys I'm exhausted
03:55:58: <Latios> I'm out for tonight xD
03:55:59: <Brawler4Ever> lol
03:56:01: <Brawler4Ever> np
03:56:06: <Brawler4Ever> cya
03:56:06: <Latios> my brain
03:56:09: <Latios> aaaaagh
03:56:10: <fank009> sometehing to look forward to I guess maybe?
03:56:11: <Latios> Bye! ^^
03:56:19: <Latios> Yes, I can't wait to die again
03:56:46: <Brawler4Ever> if not latios, then whom?
03:56:52: <Brawler4Ever> lynching, I mean
03:57:05: <fank009> hmmm
03:57:09: <fank009> You know...
03:57:14: <fank009> Just thought of something...
03:58:38: <Brawler4Ever> I'm thinking maybe BDS
03:58:45: <fank009> nah...
03:58:46: <Brawler4Ever> he seems like he has a quick trigger finger
03:58:55: <fank009> BDS is always got a trigger finger
03:59:15: <fank009> the thing about being the middle of noct/BDS is that they both look like they are playing normally
03:59:16: <Brawler4Ever> really? nvm then. xP
03:59:23: <fank009> and wanting to lynch normally to at that :/
03:59:25: <fank009> mind you
03:59:30: <Brawler4Ever> yeah
03:59:36: <fank009> sometimes I find it hard to read.
03:59:38: <Brawler4Ever> noc is acting the exact same way as last game
03:59:48: <Brawler4Ever> but then again, so was Dude as far as I can tell
03:59:52: <Brawler4Ever> and he was a wolf
04:11:03: <fank009> I just cant hunt wolves properly with jiji around :/
04:11:23: <fank009> well I can find the starters but good luck with that
04:11:36: <fank009> a huge cycle of time delays and what not
04:13:07: <fank009> sorry got disconnected for a moment there...
04:13:50: <Brawler4Ever> np
04:14:28: <fank009> you watch doctor who?
04:14:37: <fank009> seen the 6th season finale?
04:14:39: <Brawler4Ever> no, sory
04:14:41: <fank009> :/
04:14:41: <Brawler4Ever> sorry*
04:14:43: <fank009> anyway...
04:14:45: <Brawler4Ever> i tried
04:14:47: <fank009> so the 6th season finale
04:14:53: <Brawler4Ever> it's just too British for me :P
04:15:06: <Brawler4Ever> jk
04:15:21: <fank009> is about the doctor having to face his destiny and die so that time can continue
04:15:32: <Brawler4Ever> wow
04:15:35: <fank009> it feels like jijis presence is causing time to stand still
04:15:35: <Brawler4Ever> that's intense
04:15:43: <Brawler4Ever> lol
04:15:54: <fank009> thats my thoughts anyway
04:15:58: <fank009> like I said
04:16:03: <Brawler4Ever> how do they come up with this stuff?
04:16:16: <fank009> i don't like that time delay mechanic
04:16:26: <fank009> I think it keeps everything in check
04:16:33: <fank009> maybe wolves do need jiji dead...
04:16:42: <fank009> but I dont think attrition will do anything
04:16:49: <fank009> especially with 2-1 deaths
04:16:52: <Brawler4Ever> where wolve don't know that they're wolves during the training phase?
04:17:24: <Brawler4Ever> what do you mean by "time delay mechanic?"
04:18:51: <fank009> the idea of waiting 3 phases to know wether you are a wolf or not...
04:19:18: <Brawler4Ever> ok that's what I though
04:19:20: <Brawler4Ever> thought*
04:19:50: <fank009> I think I'd go crazy at that thought ~shudders
04:19:55: <Brawler4Ever> i said the same thing to latios
04:20:01: <Brawler4Ever> about being reborn
04:20:03: <fank009> better say stuff that wont get wolfs to lynch me xD
04:20:12: <Brawler4Ever> but it doesn't explicitly say which digimon someone could become
04:20:33: <fank009> At what phase specifically?
04:20:37: <fank009> IT phase?
04:20:49: <Brawler4Ever> they're just told that they're green
04:20:58: <Brawler4Ever> or a data digimon, to be specific
04:21:14: <Brawler4Ever> it's after one phase that they may receive a role
04:21:16: <fank009> I think at that stage...
04:21:20: <fank009> its 75%
04:21:21: <Brawler4Ever> or become another data digimon
04:21:25: <fank009> wait
04:21:35: <fank009> 85%?
04:21:54: <fank009> all this math :/
04:22:02: <fank009> especially since I love math
04:22:04: <Brawler4Ever> yep :/
04:22:07: <Brawler4Ever> same here
04:22:10: <Brawler4Ever> but this is just crazy
04:22:11: <Brawler4Ever> lol
04:22:27: <Brawler4Ever> looking at tanemon
04:22:34: <Brawler4Ever> i'm not sure if it's a 100% wolf chance
04:22:41: <Brawler4Ever> because of palmon
04:22:55: <fank009> palmon to vegiemon
04:23:02: <fank009> 100% wolf
04:23:05: <Brawler4Ever> oh
04:23:06: <Brawler4Ever> yep
04:23:09: <Brawler4Ever> 100% wolf
04:23:11: <Brawler4Ever> nvm :P
04:23:54: <Brawler4Ever> in the long run, tanemon and kokomon are 100% wolf
04:24:21: <Brawler4Ever> toko is 50% if he's killed as Angemon
04:24:38: <fank009> i thought birdmon wasnt a wolf?
04:24:41: <fank009> ha...
04:24:54: <fank009> Day 1 and we are still discussing the same things
04:24:59: <fank009> just let the dice role I guess...
04:25:01: <Brawler4Ever> lol
04:25:10: <Brawler4Ever> i'm pretty close to saying that as well
04:25:14: <Brawler4Ever> just let RNG take over
04:25:17: <Brawler4Ever> and pray
04:25:39: <Brawler4Ever> but I don't think that's as fun :/
04:25:43: <fank009> ...
04:25:52: <fank009> I think the rng...
04:26:01: <fank009> is to wether how many wolf roles there are...
04:26:27: <fank009> anyway
04:26:43: <fank009> I think I'll just let the latios lynch go this phase...
04:26:52: <fank009> see if anyone brings up something nice...
04:26:57: <fank009> and then go from there.
04:27:04: <Brawler4Ever> same
04:27:10: <Brawler4Ever> I don't have any leads atm :/
04:27:18: <fank009> we'll have a few
04:27:45: <fank009> I still want jijimon dead because of vig...
04:28:46: <Brawler4Ever> I'm not confident with the idea of lynching jiji
04:28:59: <Brawler4Ever> but, I'm not confident about leaving him alive either
04:29:04: <Brawler4Ever> too many things to consider
04:29:11: <fank009> ...
04:29:16: <fank009> I wouldnt lynch him
04:29:22: <fank009> but Im pretty sure...
04:29:26: <Brawler4Ever> oh, have the vigi do it?
04:29:27: <fank009> 9/10 wolves would kill him
04:29:46: <Brawler4Ever> it's a 1/8 chance currently. I think?
04:30:05: <Brawler4Ever> 10 players - the wolf - latios = 8
04:30:06: <fank009> ?
04:30:15: <Brawler4Ever> for them to successfully wolf jiji
04:30:21: <fank009> i think 1/8 sounds good...
04:30:28: <fank009> mind you,
04:30:32: <fank009> hunting for jiji,
04:30:41: <fank009> latios was a stupid kill...
04:30:52: <Brawler4Ever> it buys us time
04:30:59: <Brawler4Ever> that was the whole intent
04:31:00: <fank009> http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299240#msg299240
04:31:14: <fank009> (wolf killing latios
04:31:35: <Brawler4Ever> what?
04:31:54: <fank009> some things you can tell...
04:32:36: <fank009> anyone but jiji would know they would be guaranteed there next phase
04:32:47: <fank009> so hence, latios couldnt be jiji
04:33:24: <Brawler4Ever> I would see it as latios not believing that he wouldn't be wolfed first
04:33:32: <Brawler4Ever> but maybe that's just my inexperience talking
04:33:43: <fank009> maybe...
04:33:45: <Brawler4Ever> not believing that he would* be wolfed first
04:34:46: <Brawler4Ever> it is a very specific, confident post though
04:34:56: <Brawler4Ever> but I don't see what more we can gather from it
04:35:44: <fank009> we can gather that a wolf does is not that good a reader of posts?
04:35:59: <fank009> maybe I'm looking into things too much
04:36:00: <Brawler4Ever> possibly
04:36:11: <fank009> having a look at BDS's posts... he's posting one liners...
04:36:18: <Brawler4Ever> but basically everybody has questions about the OP
04:36:22: <fank009> trying to think when was the last time he posted one liners
04:36:27: <fank009> that too
04:36:35: <Brawler4Ever> he did that last game a lot, from what I can remember
04:36:40: <Brawler4Ever> he wasn't very active
04:36:52: <fank009> change in circumstances I guess...
04:37:01: <Brawler4Ever> but I'm not sure about his role; Mashi believed he was the vigi
04:37:05: <fank009> mind you we still don't know roles from that game?
04:37:09: <fank009> eh,
04:37:13: <Brawler4Ever> yeah
04:37:15: <Brawler4Ever> I know :/
04:37:18: <fank009> knowing BDS he was a wolf with that setup...
04:37:27: <fank009> considering how quick it was.
04:37:31: <fank009> mind you,
04:37:35: <Brawler4Ever> that would be very helpful
04:37:35: <fank009> BDS is like that...
04:37:39: <fank009> thing is,
04:37:41: <Brawler4Ever> to know all of the roles from last game
04:37:42: <fank009> against my meta...
04:37:49: <fank009> You never would have lynched noct.
04:37:58: <Brawler4Ever> nope
04:38:11: <Brawler4Ever> he only accused me because I "sided" with BDS
04:38:15: <fank009> (well my meta of "x should be vigged")
04:38:17: <Brawler4Ever> made no sense to me
04:38:25: <Brawler4Ever> I thought that was a joke :P
04:38:31: <fank009> somewhat...
04:38:36: <Brawler4Ever> I KNEW IT
04:38:41: <fank009> but its more of a people I would like dead...
04:38:50: <fank009> you half take it with a grain of salt
04:38:55: <Brawler4Ever> lol
04:38:57: <fank009> more indicative of humans than wolves though
04:39:10: <fank009> its just a list of people that would be helpful dead...
04:39:16: <fank009> and not worth lynching after.
04:39:26: <Brawler4Ever> i lynched him for other reasons
04:39:37: <Brawler4Ever> i believed that he was trying to manipulate a lynch against me
04:39:48: <Brawler4Ever> on very strange evidence
04:39:55: <Brawler4Ever> so I thought that he was a wolf :P
04:39:56: <fank009> he's got that hot headedness as well
04:40:04: <Brawler4Ever> i've noticed
04:40:07: <Brawler4Ever> xD
04:40:09: <fank009> im pretty sure I've influenced everyones play a bit :/
04:40:27: <Brawler4Ever> you made it a very interesting game
04:40:35: <Brawler4Ever> by one off-hand comment
04:40:39: <Brawler4Ever> no complaints here
04:41:25: <fank009> xD
04:41:29: <fank009> eh...
04:41:34: <fank009> should have put in more...
04:41:41: <fank009> but... eh I was a dead man regardless,
04:42:09: <Brawler4Ever> I see latios' wolfing like yours: a shot in the dark in hopes of getting a blue
04:42:30: <Brawler4Ever> I don't think that the wolves looked too deeply into it
04:42:33: <fank009> best way to describe it i think...
04:42:37: <Brawler4Ever> because there wasn't much to go off of
04:42:41: <fank009> you know, you might be onto something...
Can we win a war of attrition? Every player that we don't relynch has a 50% chance of becoming Kunemon at the end of the Day Phase. Tanemon has a 50% chance of becoming a wolf as well. I think? He can become either Betamon or Palmon, so I'm assuming that it's 50% chance either way. And everybody, regardless of whom they become, can become of the the 3 "hidden" wolves: Numemon, Sukamon, and Nanimon at a chance of 5% each after 4 phases have completed from their rebirth. Everybody that is vigi'd is the same as well. There's no way that we can keep up with the potential wolves if we keep getting reborn. If we can't win a war of attrition, then we need to burst the wolves down. The best way that I can think of, at the moment, is intentionally killing Jijimon.
My thinking is that that Jijimon does more to help the wolves than hinder them, unintentionally. In the long run, we will be overrun with potential wolves. We're already going to be facing MetalGreymon later (the end of Day 4, I think?). And potentially Devimon, a 50% chance if Angemon is killed. But I'm fairly certain that that's it. That's one wolf that we can find way earlier (or end the game before it even becomes a concern), and another that has a very low chance of coming up. I believe that that is a threat that we can handle, especially since the wolves won't have any significant powers until later. Seriously - one power is that their vote counts for 2, and the other is that they can see how many blues are in the game. Compare that to HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the
role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase). Seeing 3 blues remaining is a great deal different than seeing "there is 1 vigi, 1 seer, and jijimon still alive."
Also, there's Vademon, who I have literally not seen until now: Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf). This comes regardless of being reborn, or if one is already a wolf, as far as I can tell.
Spoiler
Seriously, I've read through the OP at least 10 times. And I'M STILL LEARNING from it. Well played, davy. :P
My belief is that we will lose a war of attrition, and that jijimon should be lynched. But, I realize that that action is questionable, if not completely insane. I'm willing to discuss it, and I welcome any questions. I believed Jijimon to be our best bet at victory, and I had to give it a great deal of thought before coming to the conclusion that he should be sacrificed.
In contrast, it is literally impossible for the wolves to win if Jijimon is alive. Bar none. My concern is that the forum will be so overrun by wolves later in the game that that protection won't matter anymore. We may kill the initial 2 wolves, but we'll be facing anywhere from 0-3, or more, wolves by that time. That is my main concern right now. If anybody can think of a better strategy, I am listening. :)
How about all the humans message everyone to get reborn and whoever isn't reborn is either a wolf or jiji... Or inactive.
Of course, that would unblue everyone.
Nvm then
Oh. Let's wait till we get one wolf first, then do that plan on a day phase.
Ok, guy here's the plan:
Palmon needs to claim - will explain later
Latios, PM every player that you wish to be reborn as any of the following: Koromon, Tsunomon, or Tokomon. Jijimon, don't forward the PM to davy until the night phase. This will ensure latios has a 100% chance to be reborn and digivolve as a human. This frees up our lynch, which is gives us a very low risk human kill. If the vigi doesn't kill anyone at night, we can continue to do this until day 4, at which point we will have: 2 confirmed humans (Latios and whoever is wolfed tonight), 2 people likely to be human (D2 and D3 lynches). From here, jijimon will claim and we lynch him. This will lead the cast to look something like this:
Latios: A human Champion Digimon (unless he gets the unlucky 15%, which isn't too terrible anyways since he can't nightkill.)
N2 victim: 100% a human Rookie Digimon.
D2 victim: 87.5% chance of being a human rookie digimon.
N3 Victim: In-training digimon with a 50% chance of becoming a wolf.
D3 Victim: Palmon.
Palmon: Dead.
3 other humans: Will digivolve into a human.
And 2 wolves.
This means all we have to do is find the 2 wolves out of a pool of 5 players with the N3 victim being a priority target. Tell me if I missed anything.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 12:29:06 PMJijimon, don't forward the PM to davy until the night phase. This will ensure latios has a 100% chance to be reborn and digivolve as a human.
A little clarification, if a player wants to be reborn and Jijimon forwards the PM, the player will be reborn at the end of the phase the PM was forwarded in.
Quote from: davy on July 27, 2015, 12:43:22 PMA little clarification, if a player wants to be reborn and Jijimon forwards the PM, the player will be reborn at the end of the phase the PM was forwarded in.
"Immediately reborn" confused me. Jijimon will just have to forward the PM this phase then.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 12:29:06 PMOk, guy here's the plan:
Palmon needs to claim - will explain later
Latios, PM every player that you wish to be reborn as any of the following: Koromon, Tsunomon, or Tokomon. Jijimon, don't forward the PM to davy until the night phase. This will ensure latios has a 100% chance to be reborn and digivolve as a human. This frees up our lynch, which is gives us a very low risk human kill. If the vigi doesn't kill anyone at night, we can continue to do this until day 4, at which point we will have: 2 confirmed humans (Latios and whoever is wolfed tonight), 2 people likely to be human (D2 and D3 lynches). From here, jijimon will claim and we lynch him. This will lead the cast to look something like this:
Latios: A human Champion Digimon (unless he gets the unlucky 15%, which isn't too terrible anyways since he can't nightkill.)
N2 victim: 100% a human Rookie Digimon.
D2 victim: 87.5% chance of being a human rookie digimon.
N3 Victim: In-training digimon with a 50% chance of becoming a wolf.
D3 Victim: Palmon.
Palmon: Dead.
3 other humans: Will digivolve into a human.
And 2 wolves.
This means all we have to do is find the 2 wolves out of a pool of 5 players with the N3 victim being a priority target. Tell me if I missed anything.
if palmon claims, we lynch today.
Yeah, good point.
Hold on, I'm a bit confused here. Palmon claiming is important why? I can understand the rest, but that point in particular is throwing me off.
So Latios needs to spam those pms asap. I suggest Tsunomon; neither Penguinmon nor elecmon can become wolves later.
I like your plan, FireArrow. It's much more organized than mine (if you could really call it a plan). :P
Palmon becomes Vegiemon (a wolf) at the end of the next phase. Killing him now would stop that from happening.
I'm at work but I'll catch up when I get home
ok np :)
Davy, if jiji forwards a PM then dies at the end of the phase, is the player still revived? I.e. Bob PMs jijimon to be reborn at the beginning of the day 2, jijimon is lynched at the end of day 2.
"of the day 2"
.-.
Oh how I miss edits.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 02:13:29 PMDavy, if jiji forwards a PM then dies at the end of the phase, is the player still revived? I.e. Bob PMs jijimon to be reborn at the beginning of the day 2, jijimon is lynched at the end of day 2.
Yes, the player is still reborn.
For reference, now that the plan has been explained more, I support it.
Oh, and if anyone digivolves into a champion digi, let us know if you're told you're a data digimon. There's a 3/4 chance you're actually a wolf.
Whoops, disregard that. That's only after you've been reborn.
Quote from: davy on July 27, 2015, 02:30:29 PMYes, the player is still reborn.
Ok, this is really good. This means that we the one guy in the plan with a 50% chance of being a wolf is now a confirmed human if he does the latios thing.
People who are lying low/should be vigged
BDS: looks like he's reading, but I find his lack of input to be rather disturbing, but there are actually a few signs that he is human.
Bubbles: I think the problem with bubbles is that there is a real going with the flow vibe, and only when does it prop up that the flow is going off the rails do the senses perk up
Olimar: where is he? he popped in but haven't really seen much
Dude: need I say more?
Fank, did you read the thread at all?
Whoever is Palmon please claim so we can lynch youDon't worry, you'll be reborn as a (nearly) confirmed human.
Quote from: fank009 on July 27, 2015, 03:00:11 PMPeople who are lying low/should be vigged
BDS: looks like he's reading, but I find his lack of input to be rather disturbing, but there are actually a few signs that he is human.
Bubbles: I think the problem with bubbles is that there is a real going with the flow vibe, and only when does it prop up that the flow is going off the rails do the senses perk up
Olimar: where is he? he popped in but haven't really seen much
Dude: need I say more?
We should not vigi until jijimon is dead. Night kills have a 50% of becoming a wolf, day kills have a 12.5% chance of becoming a wolf. Additionally, thanks to the rule change, we can only maintain one night kill a day with jijimon. Save your suspicions for the day 2 lynch, unless we want to lynch jijimon day 2 instead of day 3, which we can discuss later.
Quote from: Dudeman on July 27, 2015, 02:54:28 PMOh, and if anyone digivolves into a champion digi, let us know if you're told you're a data digimon. There's a 3/4 chance you're actually a wolf.
Not really, there's only a 5% chance of becoming one of those for a collective 15% chance of counting for wolf numbers. It's really not enough to worry about.
Quote from: Dudeman on July 27, 2015, 02:54:28 PMOh, and if anyone digivolves into a champion digi, let us know if you're told you're a data digimon. There's a 3/4 chance you're actually a wolf.
A champion data digimon is either Shellmon (safe), Numemon, Sukamon, or Nanimon (all wolves). Even though the chance is low, if it does happen, the wolf chance is high. Just wanted to throw this out here in case we get caught up in discussing other elements when there might accidentally be a wolf around.
Quote from: Dude on July 27, 2015, 03:14:56 PMFank, did you read the thread at all?
I have been reading it, and all of a sudden you come out of nowhere with a brilliant idea...
(maybe the voice of FA is drowning you out)
the point was that you are a crouching tiger hidden dragon. and thats why I (initally) put you on that vig list.
Quote from: Dudeman on July 27, 2015, 04:11:05 PMA champion data digimon is either Shellmon (safe), Numemon, Sukamon, or Nanimon (all wolves). Even though the chance is low, if it does happen, the wolf chance is high. Just wanted to throw this out here in case we get caught up in discussing other elements when there might accidentally be a wolf around.
Have a look at the trees, Shellmon goes from green to green...
there are a few other mon that are green in rookie stage, but that still keeps the probability...
if you go from blue to green, then you are a wolf.
Fank, my entire plan is based off of what dude said. If he's a wolf he shot himself in the foot.
Quote from: Dudeman on July 27, 2015, 04:11:05 PMA champion data digimon is either Shellmon (safe), Numemon, Sukamon, or Nanimon (all wolves). Even though the chance is low, if it does happen, the wolf chance is high. Just wanted to throw this out here in case we get caught up in discussing other elements when there might accidentally be a wolf around.
If you haven't been reborn yet, there's a 100% chance you'll be shellmon.
If you have been reborn, there's a 90% chance you'll be a wolf (I say 90% because sukamon can turn green.) Only 2 people will take this chance - Latios, and whoever is night killed tonight. That means there's an 81% chance that we'll never even have to deal with the, and even if we do, they don't do anything other than count for wolf numbers.
So lemme get this straight - I'm supposed to PM everyone under the assumption that Jijimon will forward my request to be reborn, and we'll lynch Palmon if he claims so we have two confirmed humans
In chat if anyone likes
If the pm is going to be sent today, Latios, then you need to be lynched today. If you're going to be vigi'd, then the pm must be sent during Night 2. As long as we're all on the same page, it ends up the same either way. However, because Palmon hasn't revealed himself yet, I suggest that we remain with the current plan, i.e. lynching you on Day 1. We can vigi Palmon on Night 2. In both cases, one of you is lynched and the other is vigi'd, so it all amounts to the same thing. :)
@Latios - in layman terms, yes.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 27, 2015, 05:03:15 PMIf the pm is going to be sent today, Latios, then you need to be lynched today. If you're going to be vigi'd, then the pm must be sent during Night 2. As long as we're all on the same page, it ends up the same either way. However, because Palmon hasn't revealed himself yet, I suggest that we remain with the current plan, i.e. lynching you on Day 1. We can vigi Palmon on Night 2. In both cases, one of you is lynched and the other is vigi'd, so it all amounts to the same thing. :)
No.
We lynch palmon.
Latios sends the PM.
They're unrelated events, you don't need to die from an external force for the PM to work, it does all that on its own.
You're right, FA. They're unrelated. Sorry about that. :P
Another plan:
D1: We lynch latios. This removes the 50% chance that he has to become a wolf, and doesn't use Jiji's power.
N2: Somebody gets wolfed. We vigi Palmon to stop him from becoming a wolf.
D2: We lynch Jiji. Palmon (or the wolf target, doesn't matter) uses Jiji to be reborn at the end of the phase. This removes the 50% chance.
N3: We vigi the survivor from N2 (Palmon or the wolf target). Somebody gets wolfed.
What this gives us:
Latios: confirmed human
Palmon: confirmed human.
Jiji: dead (sorry!)
Potential wolf: dead
N3 wolf target: dead
That makes it 2 wolves vs 3 possible humans and 2 confirmed humans. I'd say that those are pretty good odds, all things considered. Best case scenario, we still have the Vigi and Seer at the start of D4. That should give us enough time to hunt down the remaining wolves. Any suggestions?
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 27, 2015, 06:10:16 PMThat makes it 2 wolves vs 3 possible humans and 2 confirmed humans. I'd say that those are pretty good odds, all things considered. Best case scenario, we still have the Vigi and Seer at the start of D4. That should give us enough time to hunt down the remaining wolves. Any suggestions?
pokes list (-dude)
shit sorry I was at work!!! I'm palmon. Bubbles
Well, that makes things interesting. Thanks Bubbles! :P
I'm voting Bubbles because his chance of becoming a wolf is 100% compared to Latios' less-than-100%. As far as the plan I posted, just trade Latios and Bubbles everywhere and it works the same; we vigi Latios on N2 and he gets the rebirth on D2.
If there's not any better ideas, of course. :)
Convenient, I already had my vote on you. :3
I'll revote at the end of the phase to ensure that I suffer the roleblock penalty (I'm a green human so... what penalty.)
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 27, 2015, 06:10:16 PMAnother plan:
D1: We lynch latios. This removes the 50% chance that he has to become a wolf, and doesn't use Jiji's power.
N2: Somebody gets wolfed. We vigi Palmon to stop him from becoming a wolf.
D2: We lynch Jiji. Palmon (or the wolf target, doesn't matter) uses Jiji to be reborn at the end of the phase. This removes the 50% chance.
N3: We vigi the survivor from N2 (Palmon or the wolf target). Somebody gets wolfed.
What this gives us:
Latios: confirmed human
Palmon: confirmed human.
Jiji: dead (sorry!)
Potential wolf: dead
N3 wolf target: dead
That makes it 2 wolves vs 3 possible humans and 2 confirmed humans. I'd say that those are pretty good odds, all things considered. Best case scenario, we still have the Vigi and Seer at the start of D4. That should give us enough time to hunt down the remaining wolves. Any suggestions?
Why would we not use jiji's powers today. We can have bubbles send the PMs and lynch latios instead if you'd rather do it that way (probably better since everyone is already voting latios), but either way it's best to get both of those done in one day as it allows us to kill 2 birds with one stone day 2 (wolf target can use jiji's PM power, we lynch jiji.) Your plan leaves the N2 wolf victim with a 50% chance of becoming a wolf, which we can avoid all together.
Also davy, can I request a phase extension if we get bit in the butt by inactivity (on the part of voters, latios, jijimon, etc. This plan requires a lot of moving parts)?
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 27, 2015, 08:00:46 PMI'm voting Bubbles because his chance of becoming a wolf is 100% compared to Latios' less-than-100%. As far as the plan I posted, just trade Latios and Bubbles everywhere and it works the same; we vigi Latios on N2 and he gets the rebirth on D2.
Why not just use jiji's powers today instead of the vigi?
that means me brawler FA and Latios are the 4 greens?
Err I'm here but I'm a little busy arranging something atm, someone have a clear-cut plan about me and Bubbles being lynched/using Jijimon?
Quote from: fank009 on July 27, 2015, 03:00:11 PMPeople who are lying low/should be vigged
BDS: looks like he's reading, but I find his lack of input to be rather disturbing, but there are actually a few signs that he is human.
I was extremely busy with two other games, among other things, but now I should be a little more contributive.
Also,
Bubbles.
Remove vote (I'll revote at the end)
Quote from: Latios212 on July 27, 2015, 08:08:33 PMErr I'm here but I'm a little busy arranging something atm, someone have a clear-cut plan about me and Bubbles being lynched/using Jijimon?
Np, here's the plan:
We lynch bubbles, you send this PM to every player:
I would like to be reborn as Tsunomon.Whoever is jijimon forwards it to davy. That's all that needs to happen today.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 08:13:43 PMWe lynch bubbles, you send this PM to every player:
Sounds good to me
As someone who's hosted a TWG before, apologies for the time consuming effort of PMing 10 different people the same message.
(Sorry if this comes across as sarcastic, it isn't. It really is a pain >_>)
Wait, why Tsunomon and not Tokomon?
And don't worry I'm on it
Tsunomon can't become a wolf. Tokomon can. However, Tokomon goes down the seer/guardian path, but there's a chance that he can become a wolf later. Both have their pros and cons. It's your call, either way.
Yeah, brawler did his research, I was just quoting him. :3
(That being said, what does shellmon digivolve into?)
(Nothing?) I think I'll take the Tokomon seer/guardian path
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 08:03:00 PMWhy would we not use jiji's powers today. We can have bubbles send the PMs and lynch latios instead if you'd rather do it that way (probably better since everyone is already voting latios), but either way it's best to get both of those done in one day as it allows us to kill 2 birds with one stone day 2 (wolf target can use jiji's PM power, we lynch jiji.) Your plan leaves the N2 wolf victim with a 50% chance of becoming a wolf, which we can avoid all together.
Now that Bubbles has claimed, I like your idea much better; without Bubbles claiming, I wasn't sure if lynching Palmon was going to be possible. I was planning around nobody claiming Palmon, but now we can plan better.
We can lynch one and rebirth the other. Right now, we're mixed up, so we need to make that decision. It doesn't matter which one it is as long as we're all on the same page. Right now, I believe that Bubbles has more votes, so I suggest that we just vote for him to be lynched, for simplicity's sake. Latios can send the rebirth pm and become either Tsunomon or Tokomon (his choice).
If we don't vigi anyone, we can rebirth the wolf target and lynch Jiji. That will even everything out, and leave us at 2 wolves vs 3 confirmed humans (Latios, Bubbles, and the wolf target) and 4 potential humans. Only Jiji will be perma-dead at the end of D2. From there, we can play a basically one-sided game of TWG. Anything I missed?
I don't know what Shellmon's story is. Some Digimon just don't want to grow up! xD
Being reborn as Tokomon would work. With us lynching Jiji, the game will end before you becoming a wolf will become a major concern (minus the 15%, over which we have no power anyway).
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 08:13:43 PMRemove vote (I'll revote at the end)
Np, here's the plan:
We lynch bubbles, you send this PM to every player:
I would like to be reborn as Tsunomon.
Whoever is jijimon forwards it to davy. That's all that needs to happen today.
FA...
i thought you were much, much better than this? :/
latios, send it to everyone except:
Bubbles
FA
Noct
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 27, 2015, 08:40:16 PMBeing reborn as Tokomon would work. With us lynching Jiji, the game will end before you becoming a wolf will become a major concern (minus the 15%, over which we have no power anyway).
Yup
Quote from: fank009 on July 27, 2015, 08:48:11 PMlatios, send it to everyone except:
Bubbles
FA
Noct
Why not FA and Noc?
Quote from: Latios212 on July 27, 2015, 08:49:53 PMYup
Why not FA and Noc?
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 27, 2015, 08:07:32 PMthat means me brawler FA and Latios are the 4 greens?
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 08:03:00 PMConvenient, I already had my vote on you. :3
I'll revote at the end of the phase to ensure that I suffer the roleblock penalty (I'm a green human so... what penalty.)
soft/hard claims ehre
Eh, can't hurt can it.
Quote from: Latios212 on July 27, 2015, 09:01:14 PMEh, can't hurt can it.
Exactly, we don't want our plan messed up because of a mistake like that.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 09:17:18 PMExactly, we don't want our plan messed up because of a mistake like that.
So you aren't a green???
Quote from: fank009 on July 27, 2015, 09:17:43 PMSo you aren't a green???
He already PMd me, why would I tell him not to?
Bubbles
No one else vote unless you really wanna be role-blocked or something.
I'm one of the greens. Sorry for being late to the party :P
No role to be blocked, so...
Bubbles
Something's up
Yup, it means one of the following is a wolf:
Noc, brawler, FA, Latios, Dudeman
We can cross off latios for obvious reasons and potentially me and dudeman (wolves don't know eachother and both of us were willing to take the roleblock, though I could see it being a ploy to throw people off)
Nevermind, Latios doesn't count towards the 4 man limit.
pretty sure he said he was green before
Ah, ok. Eeyup, we've got ourselves a wolf.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 10:44:24 PM(wolves don't know eachother and both of us were willing to take the roleblock, though I could see it being a ploy to throw people off)
The only wolves currently in play are Kunemon and Betamon. Neither of them have any powers, so "going last" to a wolf means absolutely nothing. The only reason why this would be a concern is if one is trying to give oneself human credit. But even a wolf would do that, so I don't know how much this is worth in the long run.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 27, 2015, 11:20:57 PMThe only wolves currently in play are Kunemon and Betamon. Neither of them have any powers, so "going last" to a wolf means absolutely nothing. The only reason why this would be a concern is if one is trying to give oneself human credit. But even a wolf would do that, so I don't know how much this is worth in the long run.
I was under the impression role blocking would stop the ability to wolf? I'm not too familiar with how things work in forum based twg.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 11:45:08 PMI was under the impression role blocking would stop the ability to wolf? I'm not too familiar with how things work in forum based twg.
Wolfing is not a power, so it cannot be roleblocked.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 08:03:00 PMAlso davy, can I request a phase extension if we get bit in the butt by inactivity (on the part of voters, latios, jijimon, etc. This plan requires a lot of moving parts)?
I will not grant a phase extension now.
Quote from: davy on July 28, 2015, 12:43:41 AMWolfing is not a power, so it cannot be roleblocked.
I will not grant a phase extension now.
Thanks for the clarification, so yeah, dudeman and I don't get off the hook so easy.
TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar12345
2. Latios212
3. Fank009
4. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow
8. Dude
9. NocturneOfShadow
10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
Bubbles was lynched. She was blue. Bubbles has been reborn. It's now Night 2. Night 2 will end July 29th 4:00AM PST/5:00AM MST/6:00AM CST/7:00AM EST/1:00PM CET/July 29th 12AM in New Zealand
Are jijimon's powers not announced or did the phase go by too quickly for him/her?
Quote from: FireArrow on July 28, 2015, 09:11:43 AMAre jijimon's powers not announced or did the phase go by too quickly for him/her?
Jijimon's powers are announced
...So Latios could be a wolf. Great. We can still do a similar plan, we just have to delay it by one day/night cycle.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 28, 2015, 12:47:59 PM...So Latios could be a wolf. Great. We can still do a similar plan, we just have to delay it by one day/night cycle.
Yay for proactiveness.
:/
Just for the record on the forum: I claim green. I'll have a more specific claim next phase.
This phase I'm data digimon. Next phase, we'll see...
IF YOU ARE HUMAN YOU SHOULD CLAIM YOUR ROLE
I've got some catching up to do...
does this include me
Quote from: Latios212 on July 28, 2015, 08:28:40 PMdoes this include me
claim your role before you were reborn
I wasn't reborn. I've been green the whole game and I still am
Noc we already know who claimed green.
Sorry for being even more absent than usual in this game, idk what's wrong with me but I just can't get myself to sit down and understand all these roles >.> idk if we're still claiming but it's obv I'm green
Nvm ignore that last part of the post ehehehe shows how much attention I've been giving this game
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logs
02:30:48: <fank009> hi-o you two
02:31:04: <nocturne> sup
02:31:16: <nocturne> he ran away
02:31:25: <nocturne> acting sketch imo
02:31:36: <fank009> who is?
02:31:53: <nocturne> brawler
02:32:38: <fank009> could he be "the one"?
02:33:50: <fank009> did you see my reply noct?
02:33:56: <fank009> as much as its a smart idea,
02:34:04: <fank009> this phase has little to no effect
02:34:10: <fank009> next phase on the other hand...
02:34:45: <Brawler4Ever> sorry I was afk
02:35:17: <fank009> hi brawler
02:35:22: <Brawler4Ever> hey
02:35:45: <fank009> so Q of the hour...
02:36:11: <Brawler4Ever> yes fank
02:36:14: <Brawler4Ever> I am Neo
02:36:16: <nocturne> well if we reveal our roles this phase
02:36:20: <fank009> what is going to be the wolves next move...
02:36:25: <fank009> It wont mean anything
02:36:27: <nocturne> then we can figure out who's who next phase
02:36:43: <fank009> we've had 50,000 green claims
02:36:46: <Brawler4Ever> it's better to wait until next phase to claim
02:36:57: <fank009> not necesarily...
02:36:59: <Brawler4Ever> when greens become specific digimon
02:37:03: <Brawler4Ever> no?
02:37:03: <fank009> ^
02:37:14: <fank009> what it does do...
02:37:27: <fank009> forcing wolves to pick blue/green now does see the cc's
02:37:28: <Brawler4Ever> catches a wolf in a counter claim
02:38:01: <Brawler4Ever> if 2 people claim Leomon
02:38:03: <Brawler4Ever> one is a wolf
02:38:05: <Brawler4Ever> right?
02:38:13: <fank009> yeah
02:38:34: <Brawler4Ever> so that's how it helps, imo
02:38:36: <fank009> but after we kill the two starters we enter into attrition as you mentioned
02:39:07: <Brawler4Ever> true
02:39:22: <Brawler4Ever> but we'll have a more clear picture of the game
02:39:27: <Brawler4Ever> so finding the wolves should be easier
02:39:39: <fank009> ...
02:39:43: <fank009> somewhat
02:39:53: <fank009> but I dont think in the way in which you imagine
02:40:10: <Brawler4Ever> not surprising :P
02:40:16: <Brawler4Ever> I'm still trying to see the big picture
02:41:14: <nocturne> brb
02:41:41: <Brawler4Ever> ok
02:54:22: <nocturne> so I'm a "data digimon"
02:54:36: <Brawler4Ever> ok
02:54:52: <Brawler4Ever> so am I and 3 others, apparently :P
02:55:11: <Brawler4Ever> that's why claiming this phase would be ineffective
02:55:15: <nocturne> we shall see >>
02:55:26: <nocturne> naw we claim this phase and next phase
02:55:45: <Brawler4Ever> ok
02:55:50: <Brawler4Ever> not sure I follow, but sure
02:56:46: <Brawler4Ever> do you want me to claim green in the thread this phase?
02:56:57: <nocturne> yeah why not
02:57:10: <nocturne> tell others to claim too
03:02:18: <Brawler4Ever> I have a concern about claiming next phase
03:02:26: <Brawler4Ever> would that put the seer into danger?
03:06:15: <fank009> ...
03:06:24: <fank009> and we care about seers why?
03:06:41: <fank009> i'll be on from time to time to chuck in thoughts
03:07:26: <Brawler4Ever> because seers are important?
03:07:56: <nocturne> not when we already know who everyone is
03:07:58: <nocturne> der
03:08:53: <Brawler4Ever> nvm then
03:10:59: <fank009> seers are good for one thing...
03:11:10: <fank009> when we enter attrition
03:11:38: <Brawler4Ever> ok
03:11:57: <Brawler4Ever> we'll most likely find the green wolf tomorrow
03:12:05: <Brawler4Ever> but then we'll need to find the other one
03:12:08: <Brawler4Ever> hence my concern
03:12:19: <Brawler4Ever> but if it's not something that we need to worry about
03:12:22: <Brawler4Ever> then I'm fine with that
03:32:52: <fank009> I'll be back later
06:01:58: <Brawler4Ever> hey
06:01:59: <fank009> hi
06:02:07: <fank009> so
06:02:14: <fank009> who should I use my action on tonight?
06:02:28: <Brawler4Ever> what action is that?
06:02:54: <Brawler4Ever> by the context, I would say that you'r eeitehr the guardian or the vigi
06:03:11: <fank009> I think it would be pretty obvious if I was jiji
06:03:12: <Brawler4Ever> either*
06:03:19: <Brawler4Ever> yeah
06:03:20: <fank009> I would have claimed outright D1
06:03:23: <Brawler4Ever> you would have sent the pm
06:03:29: <Brawler4Ever> or that
06:03:31: <fank009> that too
06:03:34: <Brawler4Ever> lol
06:03:52: <fank009> but who should I target
06:03:56: <fank009> just humour me
06:04:06: <Brawler4Ever> if you're guardian, wait until next Night
06:04:08: <fank009> not knowing what I have
06:04:18: <Brawler4Ever> to defend the Seer, but that's just my opinion
06:04:38: <Brawler4Ever> I don't believe that anybody should be vigi'd
06:04:51: <Brawler4Ever> we have at least one wolf pretty much cornered
06:05:00: <Brawler4Ever> in the green group of 5
06:05:13: <fank009> please
06:05:14: <Brawler4Ever> there's a 75% chance that the wolf will claim the same as somebody else
06:05:16: <fank009> thats not conrnered
06:05:23: <fank009> 75% chance?
06:05:26: <Brawler4Ever> yes
06:05:29: <Brawler4Ever> 4 green spots
06:05:35: <Brawler4Ever> one was latios'
06:05:36: <fank009> im putting it at 100
06:05:48: <Brawler4Ever> ok
06:05:50: <Brawler4Ever> 100%
06:06:02: <Brawler4Ever> he claims, we See one or lynch/vigi both
06:06:06: <fank009> actually,
06:06:08: <fank009> yeah...
06:06:11: <Brawler4Ever> it's a 1 for 1 trade that goes in our favor
06:06:25: <fank009> it is less than 100..
06:06:32: <fank009> because we dont know latios's mon
06:06:37: <Brawler4Ever> exctly
06:06:40: <Brawler4Ever> there's a chance
06:06:46: <fank009> yeah
06:06:50: <fank009> but its risky...
06:06:51: <Brawler4Ever> that the wolf will get lucky and not have a counter claim
06:06:57: <fank009> ^
06:06:59: <Brawler4Ever> do they have a choice at this point?
06:07:16: <fank009> ^
06:07:39: <Brawler4Ever> I would call that cornered :P
06:07:42: <fank009> as much as claiming is a brand all brilliant idea...
06:07:56: <fank009> if I could access youtube right now...
06:08:08: <fank009> I'd post a link of pursuit from Ace attorney as a gag xD
06:08:17: <Brawler4Ever> lol
06:08:22: <fank009> anyway
06:08:28: <fank009> claiming is a brilliant idea...
06:08:30: <fank009> the catch
06:08:36: <fank009> do people actually trust enough
06:08:40: <fank009> to claim
06:08:59: <fank009> I prolly wont claim until the other blue role claims
06:09:19: <Brawler4Ever> I don't know what I am
06:09:21: <fank009> but I really doubt it.
06:09:26: <fank009> ^I know
06:09:28: <Brawler4Ever> but I can't see why I wouldn't just claim immediately
06:09:28: <fank009> :/
06:09:48: <fank009> well... think about
06:09:54: <fank009> who are wolves going to wolf?
06:10:04: <Brawler4Ever> I see 2 routes
06:10:11: <Brawler4Ever> one comes from the green wolf
06:10:25: <Brawler4Ever> panicking about their position, killing another green to reduce the chance of a coutner claim
06:10:30: <Brawler4Ever> and buying time for themselves
06:10:38: <Brawler4Ever> the other is more risky, but more potential
06:10:42: <Brawler4Ever> they go after one of the blues
06:10:46: <fank009> ....
06:11:27: <Brawler4Ever> I believe taht we have a wolf pretty much cornered
06:11:33: <fank009> ...
06:11:38: <fank009> yeah
06:11:40: <fank009> in the blues
06:11:47: <Brawler4Ever> that also
06:11:57: <fank009> Q
06:11:59: <Brawler4Ever> assuming that both wolves didn't claim green :P
06:12:12: <fank009> which fool didnt claim green?
06:12:18: <fank009> olimar? xD
06:12:20: <Brawler4Ever> lol
06:12:23: <Brawler4Ever> I could see that
06:12:25: <Brawler4Ever> honestly
06:12:30: <Brawler4Ever> although i was thinking he was Jiji
06:12:34: <Brawler4Ever> but I'm not sure
06:12:40: <fank009> jiji sounds about right
06:12:54: <fank009> the only gain they have...
06:13:02: <fank009> from lynching a green (wolves)
06:13:20: <fank009> is that they have a 50% chance of turning 1/2 into 1/3
06:13:38: <fank009> instead of it being a 25% chance - claiming
06:14:02: <Brawler4Ever> yeah
06:14:10: <fank009> :/
06:14:11: <fank009> sometimes
06:14:16: <fank009> I wish noct would not speak
06:14:21: <Brawler4Ever> LOL
06:14:23: <fank009> because all the idiots speak afterwards :/
06:14:24: <Brawler4Ever> so true
06:14:31: <fank009> well
06:14:36: <fank009> no offence meant at everyone else
06:14:45: <Brawler4Ever> none taken :P
06:14:46: <fank009> it feels like whenever noct/FA speaks
06:14:58: <fank009> everyone speaks up putting there two cents in when its not needed
06:15:16: <fank009> but yeah
06:15:30: <fank009> I'm not claiming unless the other blue feels ballsy
06:16:04: <fank009> it would be a waste really if I claim, and am the only blue to claim, yeah we still get cc's but we lose my power
06:16:17: <fank009> and it would be a crying shame of a waste
06:16:52: <Brawler4Ever> i'm fairly certain that all of the greens will claim
06:16:59: <Brawler4Ever> either to the thread or to Bubbles, at least
06:17:14: <fank009> bubbles is a safe claim for now...
06:17:19: <fank009> so lets recap what we know...
06:17:32: <fank009> 7 players are going to digivolve tomorrow
06:17:40: <Brawler4Ever> yep
06:18:02: <Brawler4Ever> we have 3 living green Rookie Digimon
06:18:10: <Brawler4Ever> which means that one slot is empty
06:18:34: <Brawler4Ever> It is likely that one wolf will claim to be an original blue
06:18:58: <Brawler4Ever> because they (possibly) did not claim green before
06:18:59: <fank009> ...
06:19:09: <fank009> pokes pm
06:19:14: <Brawler4Ever> it's a weak chance
06:26:53: <fank009> hmmm
06:27:37: <fank009> ...
06:27:48: <fank009> do you think anyone who dies now will go inactive?
06:27:56: <fank009> *pokes bubbles post*
06:28:19: <Brawler4Ever> people are already inactive
06:28:25: <Brawler4Ever> and they're basically immortal
06:28:51: <fank009> ... arent we all?
06:28:56: <fank009> in a sense
06:29:00: <Brawler4Ever> having a lack of fear of death doesn't make people active
06:29:01: <fank009> but those that arent are...
06:29:02: <Brawler4Ever> right
06:29:17: <Brawler4Ever> we don't know who Jiji is
06:29:20: <Brawler4Ever> not yet, anyway
06:29:20: <fank009> not enough chaos eh?
06:29:25: <fank009> we know who jiji isnt...
06:29:35: <Brawler4Ever> Next phase, there will be chaos xD
06:29:54: <fank009> ...
06:30:28: <fank009> only a wolf says there will be chaos next phase with the fact that there is so little that needs to be done.
06:31:13: <fank009> ...
06:31:21: <Brawler4Ever> depends on your definition of chaos
06:31:25: <fank009> yeah,
06:31:37: <Brawler4Ever> D1 was pretty hectic
06:31:44: <fank009> not really...
06:31:46: <Brawler4Ever> N1 and N2? Not nearly as much
06:31:56: <fank009> it was pretty organized actually
06:32:16: <Brawler4Ever> like I said, different definitions of chaos :P
06:33:41: <Brawler4Ever> What I mean is that we didn't have a clear lynch target until halfway into the second day
06:33:53: <fank009> ...
06:33:58: <fank009> latios was a clear lynch...
06:34:05: <fank009> bubbles was just a better lynch
06:34:30: <Brawler4Ever> I'm not arguing with that :)
06:41:23: <Brawler4Ever> I'm going to bed
06:41:35: <Brawler4Ever> hopefully I'll have more success than last night :P
06:41:39: <Brawler4Ever> good night!
TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar12345
2. Latios212
3. Fank009
4. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow
8. Dude
9. NocturneOfShadow
10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
FireArrow and NocturneOfShadow died. They were both green. Latios212, FireArrow and NocturneOfShadow have been reborn. It's now day 2. Day 2 will end July 31th 4:00AM PST/5:00AM MST/6:00AM CST/7:00AM EST/1:00PM CET/August 1st 12AM in New Zealand
Quote from: davy on July 29, 2015, 04:00:02 AMLatios212 has been reborn.
W.... T... WHAT???!!!???
since when was it a good idea to be reborn in the night???
LATIOS WAS CLEAN!!!???!!!
well, -lies
Also in other news, good job vig. kill a potential seer to kill the starter reds faster. good idea. too bad it wont help us in attrition
JIJI WHAT DID YOU DO??? AAAAUUUUGGGH
Well... That just happened... :o
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 10:44:24 PMYup, it means one of the following is a wolf:
Noc, brawler, FA, Latios, Dudeman
The good news with this turn of events is that we've narrowed down the wolf to two targets: me and Dudeman. The bad news is that even a counter-claim would be pretty much redundant right now. I'm Leomon. But that's not nearly as helpful as it would have been to know that last phase. I'm voting on
Dudeman until we know what the crap we're going to do. :-\
My question: Can we go forward with the plan to kill Jiji with 3-50% potential wolves looming over us? Because, this is just about worst case scenario no matter how you look at it. And I'm not sure if taking the time to re-lynch or re-vigi each of them would help. Although, it might just be our best choice right now. :-\
OK yeah I don't like this game, so I'm gonna claim.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 12:29:06 PMOk, guy here's the plan:
Jijimon, don't forward the PM to davy until the night phase.
I only read this far so excuuuuuuuse me.
Also
Dude
Quote from: FireArrow on July 27, 2015, 12:46:41 PM"Immediately reborn" confused me. Jijimon will just have to forward the PM this phase then.
2 lines of text below the one that you quoted. ::)
I'm holding off on my vote until we have an actual plan (Although they haven't been very successful so far...).
Remove my vote. My question still stands:
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on July 29, 2015, 06:40:32 AMCan we go forward with the plan to kill Jiji with 3-50% potential wolves looming over us?
Brawler4Ever
Crap guys, I digivolved into a data digimon. It's likely that I'm a wolf now. :/
Quote from: Dudeman on July 29, 2015, 12:08:47 PMCrap guys, I digivolved into a data digimon. It's likely that I'm a wolf now. :/
You would be shellmon, then, if that were the case. You can't digivolve into a wolf as a Rookie that hasn't died yet. -_-
Quote from: davy on July 25, 2015, 03:44:57 AMShellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Vademon is an Ultimate Digimon, so you can't be him either. A Rookie human can't digivolve into a Champion wolf without being reborn. So your comment that you are a wolf due to being a Champion Data Digimon makes no sense in your context. But good job with the offer to sacrifice yourself, considering the circumstances.
Lol, I keep forgetting about having to die first. Sorry.
Hhmmmm who to lynch... dude or brawler, I think with vig we can go Dude
oh yeah I died so I want mlf to replace me
also Dude
BDS, make sure to hit brawler tomorrow night
I don't want to kill off Jiji just yet until we figure out if it's a good idea. There's three potential wolves out there, plus the ones that have been around since the first phase. Can someone crunch some numbers?
we don't need numbers for the jiji lynch
once we kill a wolf they stay dead
Sure, but we have to figure out who the wolves are first. I'm just saying I don't want to remove our buffer if it turns out the odds are against us.
pretty sure we already know...
Why the hell would you vigi? Night kills have a 50% of becoming a wolf, we could of easily weeded through everyone after jijimon was out of the game. I can somewhat forgive Dude because he understandably got confused and PMed me. Anyways, humans are done for and I can only hope I digivolve into a wolf now.
We have three potential wolves that will need to be lynched: Me, Noc, Latios.
Dude is dead to us: His power is on cooldown this phase and he'll be wolfed tonight to prevent us from using it day 3 (using at night is bad for the same reason we shouldn't of vigi'd until
after jijimon is dead.)
What little left there is to do:
At this point, let the wolves take care of jijimon. If they don't, we can eventually recuperate by cleansing 2 people a phase against the wolves wolfing one person. Our best bet is to lynch either brawler or dudeman. I'm going with
Brawler4Ever, because it doesn't matter which we pick, but Brawler has overall been more useful and active, so he'll be reborn as a human whilst dudeman will be vigid and be out of the game. Starting Day 3, you guys will have to kill off me, noc, and latios asap, then hopefully find the last wolf before it's too late. This only gives you one phase before the next digivolve which is basically when humans lose (vigi becomes a wolf, but if you kill off the vigi, then we can't make our way through everyone.) So unless anyone else has a plan better than "cross our fingers vigi doesn't get wolfed and try to hit the last wolf Russian roulette style" speak up.
Quote from: Dudeman on July 29, 2015, 01:37:39 PMI don't want to kill off Jiji just yet until we figure out if it's a good idea. There's three potential wolves out there, plus the ones that have been around since the first phase. Can someone crunch some numbers?
Every day phase Jiji is left alive from here on out is one less potential wolf we have to deal with.
I'm not planning on forwarding pms anymore so yeah I'll just sit here till I'm dead.
Why are davy's games so overly complicated? It's awful. -_-
Okay, I'll vote for Brawler4Ever and run with FA's plan.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 29, 2015, 02:59:49 PMDude is dead to us: His power is on cooldown this phase and he'll be wolfed tonight to prevent us from using it day 3 (using at night is bad for the same reason we shouldn't of vigi'd until after jijimon is dead.)
Dude's power is not on a cooldown. He forwarded once during day 1/night 2, so he can forward once again during day 2/night 3.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 29, 2015, 02:59:49 PMWhy the hell would you vigi? Night kills have a 50% of becoming a wolf, we could of easily weeded through everyone after jijimon was out of the game. I can somewhat forgive Dude because he understandably got confused and PMed me. Anyways, humans are done for and I can only hope I digivolve into a wolf now.
We have three potential wolves that will need to be lynched: Me, Noc, Latios.
Dude is dead to us: His power is on cooldown this phase and he'll be wolfed tonight to prevent us from using it day 3 (using at night is bad for the same reason we shouldn't of vigi'd until after jijimon is dead.)
What little left there is to do:
At this point, let the wolves take care of jijimon. If they don't, we can eventually recuperate by cleansing 2 people a phase against the wolves wolfing one person. Our best bet is to lynch either brawler or dudeman. I'm going with Brawler4Ever, because it doesn't matter which we pick, but Brawler has overall been more useful and active, so he'll be reborn as a human whilst dudeman will be vigid and be out of the game. Starting Day 3, you guys will have to kill off me, noc, and latios asap, then hopefully find the last wolf before it's too late. This only gives you one phase before the next digivolve which is basically when humans lose (vigi becomes a wolf, but if you kill off the vigi, then we can't make our way through everyone.) So unless anyone else has a plan better than "cross our fingers vigi doesn't get wolfed and try to hit the last wolf Russian roulette style" speak up.
Every day phase Jiji is left alive from here on out is one less potential wolf we have to deal with.
or we can kill jiji and use our vigi on brawler who is likely one of the starting wolves
Quote from: davy on July 29, 2015, 03:13:21 PMDude's power is not on a cooldown. He forwarded once during day 1/night 2, so he can forward once again during day 2/night 3.
New question: If we vigi dies the same phase someone else does, are they still revived if he didn't send a PM.
Ok, new plan.
LatiosEither me or noc will PM dude.
We get 2 more confirmed humans out of this, and we already have one: Bubbles.
If the wolves wolf jiji - we're set with 3 confirmed humans and a vigi.
If the wolves wolf one of us 3 - Jiji revives does one more PM magicz and we lynch him, putting us in the same position.
From there on out we tackle things in this order: Dudeman/Brawler -> Noc/Me -> Last Wolf.
Quote from: Dude on July 29, 2015, 03:05:03 PMI'm not planning on forwarding pms anymore so yeah I'll just sit here till I'm dead.
Why are davy's games so overly complicated? It's awful. -_-
If you leave us now we lose.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 29, 2015, 03:31:28 PMNew question: If we vigi dies the same phase someone else does, are they still revived if he didn't send a PM.
What?
Quote from: FireArrow on July 29, 2015, 03:31:28 PMIf you leave us now we lose.
I get the feeling Dude doesn't care.
Quote from: davy on July 29, 2015, 03:41:42 PMWhat?
Sorry, no edits makes it impossible for people like me to communicate :3
If Jiji dies the same phase another player dies (vigi kill plus wolf kill) would his passive revive (not the pm one) still work?
Quote from: FireArrow on July 29, 2015, 03:31:28 PMNew question: If we vigi dies the same phase someone else does, are they still revived if he didn't send a PM.
Ok, new plan. Latios
Either me or noc will PM dude.
We get 2 more confirmed humans out of this, and we already have one: Bubbles.
If the wolves wolf jiji - we're set with 3 confirmed humans and a vigi.
If the wolves wolf one of us 3 - Jiji revives does one more PM magicz and we lynch him, putting us in the same position.
From there on out we tackle things in this order: Dudeman/Brawler -> Noc/Me -> Last Wolf.
If you leave us now we lose.
or we can go just go for wolves?
all delaying does is bring us one more day closer to vig turning wolf. and we don't really essentially gain anything.
delaying is only useful when we have no idea who the wolves are possibly...
Thing is, we have very good odds at finding both wolves... not to mention other arguments. for/against their favour
Quote from: fank009 on July 29, 2015, 03:55:04 PMor we can go just go for wolves?
all delaying does is bring us one more day closer to vig turning wolf. and we don't really essentially gain anything.
delaying is only useful when we have no idea who the wolves are possibly...
Thing is, we have very good odds at finding both wolves... not to mention other arguments. for/against their favour
You mean let me, latios, and noc potentially turn into wolves? We're actually saving time by delaying things one phase because it's the same thing as killing of 2 out of 4 wolves.
Quote from: FireArrow on July 29, 2015, 03:44:32 PMSorry, no edits makes it impossible for people like me to communicate :3
If Jiji dies the same phase another player dies (vigi kill plus wolf kill) would his passive revive (not the pm one) still work?
Yes, that would still work.
TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar12345
2. Latios212
3. Fank009
4. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow
8. Dude9. NocturneOfShadow
10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
Dude was lynched. Dude was blue. Dude wasn't reborn. It's now night 3. Night 3 will end August 1st 4:00AM PST/5:00AM MST/6:00AM CST/7:00AM EST/1:00PM CET/August 2nd 12AM in New Zealand
Cool, the beginning of the end, With The starters and the reborn being laid out in front of us, all we need is for the starters to be wolfed by the reborn and this couldnt go any better for us
This game is definitely solved. Whether or not we can win the war of attrition depends on how the digivolving goes
TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar123452. Latios212
3. Fank009
4. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow
8. Dude9. NocturneOfShadow10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
Olimar12345 and NocturneOfShadow died. Olimar12345 was blue. NocturneOfShadow was red. It's now day 3. Day 3 will end August 3rd 4:00AM PST/5:00AM MST/6:00AM CST/7:00AM EST/1:00PM CET/August 4th 12AM in New Zealand
BDS
Um, reasoning?
death post: HAH take that fank! Who's killing wolves NOW?????SDFLofgja?Hdsnf lweonjf/ lSDHBN FKHVSRNBJAVKJERHG.VKAEERTGJUKIOP
Still am a better human thanolimar
I miss the days when things made sense. :(
Can he? You can only be human if 2 of brawler, fank, dudeman, are a wolf.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 03:07:26 PMFank can verify that I'm a human.
I can verify I got a claim from him...
BDS
I'm going on a trip tommorow and I don't know if I will have (decent) internet, so the update may be late. The phase will not be extended however.
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 03:51:37 PMI can verify I got a claim from him...
BDS
I TOLD YOU I WAS THE GUARDIAN YOU CRAZY FOOL.
Just so this is out publicly:
I am Birdramon.
Also Davy said I can guard myself (or at least I could when I was Biyomon; I assume the same carries over), so I don't have to be worried about being wolfed.
I still claim Shellmon.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 04:03:09 PMI TOLD YOU I WAS THE GUARDIAN YOU CRAZY FOOL.
Just so this is out publicly:
I am Birdramon.
And THIS... is where it gets tricky.
chat excerpt
02:40:04: <fank009> you should block the vigi
02:40:32: <Brawler4Ever> still learning the game :P
02:40:37: <Brawler4Ever> ok
02:40:56: <Brawler4Ever> you're the guardian
02:40:59: <Brawler4Ever> fairly obvious
02:41:04: <Brawler4Ever> so that leaves BDS/Olimar
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 04:06:15 PMAlso Davy said I can guard myself (or at least I could when I was Biyomon; I assume the same carries over), so I don't have to be worried about being wolfed.
I don't want to quote PMs from davy, but I was told that exact same thing
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 04:15:30 PM02:40:56: <Brawler4Ever> you're the guardian
02:40:59: <Brawler4Ever> fairly obvious
What is this supposed to mean (and, also, when did it occur)? How is it "fairly obvious"?
You assumed I was the vigi (without reasons), even though I clearly implied I wasn't. I don't think you've ever directly claimed or even implied you're the guardian... especially considering I PM'd you telling you I was the guardian after you mistook me for the vigi.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 04:32:55 PMWhat is this supposed to mean (and, also, when did it occur)? How is it "fairly obvious"? You assumed I was the vigi (without reasons), even though I clearly implied I wasn't. I don't think you've ever directly claimed or even implied you're the guardian... especially considering I PM'd you telling you I was the guardian after you mistook me for the vigi.
the chat was last phase, before I got the PM. (timing is a bit off for me and mibbit)
I have pretty good reasons as to why you were the vig, mainly the N2 noct killing. considering how anti noct you were it made sense, it wasnt concrete but it was the most likely scenario. you were easier to read than olimar but I did consider it... mind you in my mind, the other was a wolf.
you wanna know how it was "fairly obvious"
Why would I be looking for the vig if I were the vig?
besides, I wasnt the only one thinking that you were the vig... there was noct as well.
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 04:47:42 PMWhy would I be looking for the vig if I were the vig?
I was asking why it was "fairly obvious" that you supposedly were the guardian.
I never thought you were the vigi.
Quotebesides, I wasnt the only one thinking that you were the vig... there was noct as well.
I clearly implied I wasn't. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299803#msg299803)
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 04:54:20 PMI was asking why it was "fairly obvious" that you supposedly were the guardian. I never thought you were the vigi.
I clearly implied I wasn't. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299803#msg299803)
-You thinking that I wasnt the vig doesnt mean that the answer isn't obvious to other people.
-you know implications like those can be a way to protect yourself to avoid suspicion?
Well fank thinking that you're the vigi gives him huge human points. He would know that the greens are full and that he's the guardian, meaning either you or olimar was the guardian. He thought olimar was the wolf and you were the vigi, makes sense if was the guardian right? Of course he could of gotten lucky as a wolf and unknowingly setting himself up to look like he was playing from that perspective, but that's much less likely.
As for you, you've given absolutely no reason for me to think you're even human sided.
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 05:02:58 PM-You thinking that I wasnt the vig doesnt mean that the answer isn't obvious to other people.
-you know implications like those can be a way to protect yourself to avoid suspicion?
You never answered my question. Why does Brawler think you were "obviously" the guardian, considering you've given no reason to imply such before this point? Your claiming at this point seems opportunistic given what I told you in the PM.
Quote from: FireArrow on August 01, 2015, 05:56:04 PMWell fank thinking that you're the vigi gives him huge human points. He would know that the greens are full and that he's the guardian, meaning either you or olimar was the guardian. He thought olimar was the wolf and you were the vigi, makes sense if was the guardian right? Of course he could of gotten lucky as a wolf and unknowingly setting himself up to look like he was playing from that perspective, but that's much less likely.
As for you, you've given absolutely no reason for me to think you're even human sided.
Knowing that, why would I claim guardian (instead of, for example, saying that I'm green)? It would be much easier for Fank to make such assumptions as a wolf, since there would be no repercussions, and would actually allow himself more opportunities based on the reactions. Elaborating on what I said earlier, from a human perspective, thinking I'm the vigi when I clearly imply that I have no idea why anybody would think I'm the vigi makes very little sense. If you really want, I can quote what Fank sent me, and my response.
Quote from: fank009 on July 31, 2015, 02:08:18 PMthis is an important vigging...
(I am 95% confident you are the vig, you vigging noct makes complete sense)
we want to get the original betamon out of the way. Me and noct have been mulling it over, I'm waiting to see what he thinks. but I am confident that we have everything solved (assuming you are the vig of course)
what I sent to BDS
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 06:26:04 PMYou never answered my question. Why does Brawler think you were "obviously" the guardian, considering you've given no reason to imply such before this point? Your claiming at this point seems opportunistic given what I told you in the PM
As much as I can read people, I can't read their thoughts. Thats something for brawler to answer.
as to the fact of it being opportunistic, why would I choose you over olimar to try and lynch?
Speaking about claiming green, I have thay option too. I chose on d1. That it is a lot of foreplanning and a lot to go wrong. (Partner might wolf me)
I'm on a phone so I can't explain this as well as I would like.
During Night 2, Fank asked me who he should target. He didn't tell me his role. He wanted my opinion on both possibilities. I have him my opinion and moved on.
After Night 2, he had a rant at the vigi for his action. Would Fank rant at himself? Maybe. I doubt it. So Fank being guardian, to me, Is "fairly obvious". I thought that Bds was the vigi and Olimar was the wolf. But I wasn't sure. Until Olimar flipped blue. I explained my speculation to bubbles last Night. She knows that I believed that you were the vigi and Olimar the wolf.
But due to olimars death, it seems that I was mistaken. Olimar was the vigi and you were the wolf.
I am completely fine with a bds lunch.
Auto correct please. -_-
Guys brawler is gonna eat bds, wolf confirmed.
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 06:36:16 PMwhat I sent to BDS
This is what you said (repeating it because):
Quote from: fank009 on July 31, 2015, 02:08:18 PMthis is an important vigging...
(I am 95% confident you are the vig, you vigging noct makes complete sense)
we want to get the original betamon out of the way. Me and noct have been mulling it over, I'm waiting to see what he thinks. but I am confident that we have everything solved (assuming you are the vig of course)
This is what I responded with:
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 31, 2015, 03:48:44 PMI'm not the vigi. I'm Birdramon, formerly Biyomon. I probably should've said this more clearly earlier, but I thought my reaction in the thread was enough to indicate that I'm not the vigi. Considering I have a very low chance of becoming a wolf, I'll probably just go through the game guarding myself like I did last night. :3
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 01, 2015, 07:13:43 PMIAfter Night 2, he had a rant at the vigi for his action. Would Fank rant at himself? Maybe. I doubt it. So Fank being guardian, to me, Is "fairly obvious". I thought that Bds was the vigi and Olimar was the wolf. But I wasn't sure. Until Olimar flipped blue. I explained my speculation to bubbles last Night. She knows that I believed that you were the vigi and Olimar the wolf.
Why does Fank have to be either? Saying "Would Fank rant at himself" is irrelevant to this conversation! Why do you think Fank needs to be a special? Since you know I'm not the vigi, and Fank's guardian claim is sketchy at best, you must assume that Fank is a wolf! It makes sense that Fank would come to me to probe for the vigi because GUESS WHO WAS WOLFED!? There's literally no reason for Fank being the guardian over me, especially since I claimed first (
to Fank, giving him perfect opportunity to usurp the claim). All I ask is that you kill Fank first because I'm 100% certain he's a wolf after this point. And, to that end:
FankHere's something to think about! If you lynch me and I flip guardian, there's probably more than one wolf left (which is very bad), but if you lynch Fank and he flips guardian, I'm the only wolf left (given the number of people voting for me, and who is voting for me, along with the fact that Jijimon is dead, means I would have to be the only wolf left, if I have my phases calculated correctly).
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 04:47:42 PMWhy would I be looking for the vig if I were the vig?
Repeating this, but this makes absolutely no sense. Why do you have to be the vigi, in your own words?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 08:51:04 PMRepeating this, but this makes absolutely no sense. Why do you have to be the vigi, in your own words?
BDS : fank is confusing, lets lynch him
Do you want to know what doesn't make sense, how if you're the guardian there are 50 wolves, but if I am there is only one?.
none of the starter wolves have died yet.
the argument you hardclaimed first is weak, and just cause I was dropping hints since before you were born doesn't mean I can't be the guardian
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 09:01:32 PMBDS : fank is confusing, lets lynch him
you are counterclaiming a role i claimed
and being confusing on top of it
QuoteDo you want to know what doesn't make sense, how if you're the guardian there are 50 wolves, but if I am there is only one?.
none of the starter wolves have died yet.
I forgot about that.
So, yeah, it's very like that you, FireArrow,
and Brawler are wolves. Even more reason to lynch you instead.
Quotethe argument you hardclaimed first is weak, and just cause I was dropping hints since before you were born doesn't mean I can't be the guardian
That's the thing- you never dropped any hints. That's what makes YOUR argument weak: you assume you
have to be a special even in the improbability of the situation.
*very likely
On top of everything, why would I say this:
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 03:07:26 PMFank can verify that I'm a human.
Without any doubt, if I thought:
1: The guardian was still alive (which should eliminate any reasons you think I would claim as a wolf in the first place), and...
2: Fank would be the most likely candidate for guardian by process of elimination, giving him no reason to "verify that I'm a human."
Me claiming to Fank in the first place makes no sense if I'm a wolf. Because Fank is wolf (I'm not even going to say "assuming" any more because I don't have to!), me claiming to him would be the perfect setup for his own claim (which I find was not foreshadowed in any way).
You knew fank wasn't green and you knew fank wasn't the vigi (there's no reason he'd send that PM if he was) meaning he, without a doubt, would be a wolf, and yet this deduction never occurred to you when you were giving away yourself as the guardian to a wolf, only now when you need to reverse the lynch on him?
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Quote from: FireArrow on August 01, 2015, 09:17:32 PMYou knew fank wasn't green and you knew fank wasn't the vigi (there's no reason he'd send that PM if he was) meaning he, without a doubt, would be a wolf, and yet this deduction never occurred to you when you were giving away yourself as the guardian to a wolf, only now when you need to reverse the lynch on him?
k
???
Why would I assume Fank wasn't green beforehand, especially
because he PM'd me?
Because there were only 4 greens and we had 5 claims.
(Hint: Fank never claimed anything)
I wish I could quote properly but...
you make an argument that you claiming to me is your most human quality.
reminder.
me and noct were talking plans since d2...
Now who of all people flipped wolf the past night
also, I think ive been putting all the chatlogs in, might have a few on my phone I need to dig out
Quote from: FireArrow on August 01, 2015, 09:22:01 PMBecause there were only 4 greens and we had 5 claims.
(Hint: Fank never claimed anything)
speaking bout logs should find one of those conversations with brawler
Quote from: FireArrow on August 01, 2015, 09:22:01 PMBecause there were only 4 greens and we had 5 claims.
(Hint: Fank never claimed anything)
You're assuming that:
A: None of those people are lying about being green (which, as you yourself brought up, isn't true).
B: Fank would need to claim green to be green, rather than being assumed green by process of elimination (me in particular knowing he's not the guardian nor the vigi).
Wait. What? Why am I a wolf? Because I'm voting against you? That makes sense.
Fank has dropped several hints if you've been reading the chat logs. I wouldn't say that it was fairly obvious if it wasn't. He claimed guardian way before you did.
Ninja'd 6 times. Not changing my post. Still on a phone and I would need to re-edit it to answer responses. I'll just make a new post. :P
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 01, 2015, 09:29:42 PMWait. What? Why am I a wolf? Because I'm voting against you? That makes sense.
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 09:01:32 PMDo you want to know what doesn't make sense, how if you're the guardian there are 50 wolves, but if I am there is only one?.
none of the starter wolves have died yet.
Along with you voting for me for whatever inane reasons you are, despite the whole improbability of the situation the way you claim it to be.
QuoteFank has dropped several hints if you've been reading the chat logs. I wouldn't say that it was fairly obvious if it wasn't. He claimed guardian way before you did.
Show me, because, so far, I haven't seen anything.
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299745#msg299745
yo, BDS.
I heard you like chat logs...
read this one again and weep
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 09:34:49 PMhttp://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299745#msg299745
yo, BDS.
I heard you like chat logs...
read this one again and weep
I see no claiming- just being sketchy about the issue.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 09:25:20 PMYou're assuming that:
A: None of those people are lying about being green (which, as you yourself brought up, isn't true).
B: Fank would need to claim green to be green, rather than being assumed green by process of elimination (me in particular knowing he's not the guardian nor the vigi).
No, you know what I'm talking about. Stop dumbtelling. If you really haven't read the thread at all and fank is taking advantage of that to both get you lynched and get information on the blues, then you can go sit in the "this game is too complicated so I'm sabotaging my team" corner with dude
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 09:13:03 PMOn top of everything, why would I say this:Without any doubt, if I thought:
1: The guardian was still alive (which should eliminate any reasons you think I would claim as a wolf in the first place), and...
2: Fank would be the most likely candidate for guardian by process of elimination, giving him no reason to "verify that I'm a human."
Me claiming to Fank in the first place makes no sense if I'm a wolf. Because Fank is wolf (I'm not even going to say "assuming" any more because I don't have to!), me claiming to him would be the perfect setup for his own claim (which I find was not foreshadowed in any way).
This post literally makes no sense to me.
There are only 4 people left that haven't died. Of those 4, 2 are wolves. The only wolf that has died was noc, and he was reborn. Dudeman and I claimed green. You and Fank claimed blue. One person in each group is a wolf. You are unable to prove that you're vigi. Claiming guardian is much more safe. If Fank had asked you via pm to vigi someone, your cover would be blown. You had to claim guardian in order to defend yourself. As it happened, Olimar died anyway and here we are.
As a prime example, none of this conversation makes sense from Fank's perspective if he's a guardian who knows he can guard himself (as he claims to have asked), or even being a special in the first place (that's an invitation to be wolfed, thus meaning he's actually a wolf who makes prompt wolfings or green trying to attract wolves away from the specials, the latter of which we now know he isn't).
Quote from: fank009 on July 29, 2015, 01:26:11 AM06:02:14: <fank009> who should I use my action on tonight?
06:02:28: <Brawler4Ever> what action is that?
06:02:54: <Brawler4Ever> by the context, I would say that you'r eeitehr the guardian or the vigi
06:03:11: <fank009> I think it would be pretty obvious if I was jiji
06:03:12: <Brawler4Ever> either*
06:03:19: <Brawler4Ever> yeah
06:03:20: <fank009> I would have claimed outright D1
06:03:23: <Brawler4Ever> you would have sent the pm
06:03:29: <Brawler4Ever> or that
06:03:31: <fank009> that too
06:03:34: <Brawler4Ever> lol
06:03:52: <fank009> but who should I target
06:03:56: <fank009> just humour me
06:04:06: <Brawler4Ever> if you're guardian, wait until next Night
06:04:08: <fank009> not knowing what I have
06:04:18: <Brawler4Ever> to defend the Seer, but that's just my opinion
06:04:38: <Brawler4Ever> I don't believe that anybody should be vigi'd
Quote from: FireArrow on August 01, 2015, 09:43:50 PMNo, you know what I'm talking about. Stop dumbtelling. If you really haven't read the thread at all and fank is taking advantage of that to both get you lynched and get information on the blues, then you can go sit in the "this game is too complicated so I'm sabotaging my team" corner with dude
Did you read my post? Your own argument fails to explain away a number of inconsistencies.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 01, 2015, 09:44:37 PMThis post literally makes no sense to me.
There are only 4 people left that haven't died. Of those 4, 2 are wolves. The only wolf that has died was noc, and he was reborn. Dudeman and I claimed green. You and Fank claimed blue. One person in each group is a wolf. You are unable to prove that you're vigi. Claiming guardian is much more safe. If Fank had asked you via pm to vigi someone, your cover would be blown. You had to claim guardian in order to defend yourself. As it happened, Olimar died anyway and here we are.
But why not claim green, or, better yet,
why would I claim guardian then, of all things- above all, to somebody who, from my wolf perspective, would have a great chance at
being the guardian?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 09:39:47 PMI see no claiming- just being sketchy about the issue.
thanks for pointing out a flaw that im being sketchy on details to a) force moves and b) catch people out later.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 09:45:35 PMAs a prime example, none of this conversation makes sense from Fank's perspective if he's a guardian who knows he can guard himself (as he claims to have asked), or even being a special in the first place (that's an invitation to be wolfed, thus meaning he's actually a wolf who makes prompt wolfings or green trying to attract wolves away from the specials, the latter of which we now know he isn't).
so how does what you highlight point out the point you are trying to make?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 09:48:56 PMDid you read my post? Your own argument fails to explain away a number of inconsistencies.
But why not claim green, or, better yet, why would I claim guardian then, of all things- above all, to somebody who, from my wolf perspective, would have a great chance at being the guardian?
im sure I saod something bout that 2nd point...
The earlier post I cited about confusion over Nocturne believing me to be the vigi (seen here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299803#msg299803)) holds more merit and evidence than you are willing to assign it (or even mention in the first place), and thus Fank's PM about me, asking if I was the vigi- and on top of his guardian claim- would only make sense from a wolf perspective (i.e. probing for the actual vigi and gaining human points by asking around in the likely- or perhaps unlikely, rather- candidates).
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 09:50:30 PMso how does what you highlight point out the point you are trying to make?
The conversation doesn't make sense if you're a special- especially the guardian.
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 09:50:30 PMthanks for pointing out a flaw that im being sketchy on details to a) force moves and b) catch people out later.
Being sketchy means you don't have a definitive claim at that point, and are probably looking for a special to be killed so you can fill their shoes (or just maneuver yourself into a position where your claim is believable in a half-baked way, as you're doing here).
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 01, 2015, 09:44:37 PMDudeman and I claimed green. You and Fank claimed blue. One person in each group is a wolf.
Sounds good to me.
Brawler4Ever
Quote from: Dudeman on August 01, 2015, 09:58:25 PMSounds good to me.
Brawler4Ever
Y'know, at this point, I'd go for any possibly-wolf lynch that isn't me, but... and I hate to complain in this situation, but...
Why not Fank? :P
If my above vote turns out to be baseless, shall we remember that the wolves don't know each other? Fank and BDS could both be wolves attempting to out-counterclaim each other.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 01, 2015, 10:02:13 PMIf my above vote turns out to be baseless, shall we remember that the wolves don't know each other? Fank and BDS could both be wolves attempting to out-counterclaim each other.
Given that there are no other guardian claims, this is less likely.
Also, there's the possibility the wolves have gotten in contact somehow, or are picking up on subtle wolfy clues
and going along with lynches that in normal circumstances wouldn't make any sense!!!!! !!!!!
!!!!! !!!!!
Also, where are you, Bubbles and Latios. ._.
Such as your advocacy of Fank's and vice-versa?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 10:03:51 PMGiven that there are no other guardian claims, this is less likely.
Also, there's the possibility the wolves have gotten in contact somehow, or are picking up on subtle wolfy clues and going along with lynches that in normal circumstances wouldn't make any sense!!!!! !!!!!
!!!!! !!!!!
I feel like you should add a nudge nudge, wink wink. Anyway... when I can do elaborate stuff, then, and only then you would find resistance to be futile
Quote from: Dudeman on August 01, 2015, 09:58:25 PMSounds good to me.
Brawler4Ever
This has logic.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 01, 2015, 10:02:13 PMIf my above vote turns out to be baseless, shall we remember that the wolves don't know each other? Fank and BDS could both be wolves attempting to out-counterclaim each other.
This does not. Then neither is the guardian. If both are wolves, they can't be. So, that means that either A) One of us is the guardian and we've been lying this whole time or B) there's no guardian.
What I see is a wolf not trying to get involved because he doesn't know which one is his partner. He knows I'm not it. So he's staying out of the spotlight because it's his best defense. Both Fank and Bds being wolves (which doesn't make sense) means that dudeman gets to live another Night.
So yeah. I believe that we've just found our wolves.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 01, 2015, 10:07:19 PMSuch as your advocacy of Fank's and vice-versa?
I'm not understanding the context of this. In terms of guardian claims, or potentially-being-a-wolf?
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 01, 2015, 10:12:16 PMSo yeah. I believe that we've just found our wolves.
I think we've already found the wolves based on voting patterns... oh, and um...
Quote from: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 10:08:26 PMI feel like you should add a nudge nudge, wink wink.
*"wink wink, nudge nudge"*
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 10:16:46 PMI think we've already found the wolves based on voting patterns...
I completely agree.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 01, 2015, 10:22:45 PMI completely agree.
you do realize that you're saying you're a wolf, right
No...
I'm agreeing that we've found our wolves based on voting patterns.
Not sure how that was confusing...
Weigh in, please. What patterns have you observed, Brawler?
He already explained it...
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 01, 2015, 10:12:16 PMWhat I see is a wolf (clarification: dudeman) not trying to get involved because he doesn't know which one is his partner. He knows I'm not it. So he's staying out of the spotlight because it's his best defense. Both Fank and Bds being wolves (which doesn't make sense) means that dudeman gets to live another Night.
Dudeman, in this post, I am referring to you as the wolf. Does that help?
Okay, I'll admit that all three of you have lost me somewhere down the hallways of your text walls. From what I understand, Fank and BDS are both accusing each other of false-claiming guardian?? Honestly I've lost track of what the argument is about. Could someone please group your thoughts together and present your case point-by-point? I don't think we're going to get anywhere fast the way this is going.
Fank and BDS are both claiming guardian. One of them has to be lying. It can't get more simple than that.
If they want to write up some bullet points for you, that's their choice.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 01, 2015, 10:37:55 PMOkay, I'll admit that all three of you have lost me somewhere down the hallways of your text walls. From what I understand, Fank and BDS are both accusing each other of false-claiming guardian?? Honestly I've lost track of what the argument is about. Could someone please group your thoughts together and present your case point-by-point? I don't think we're going to get anywhere fast the way this is going.
More accurately, BDS got caught red handed as a wolf and now he's trying everything he can to avoid doing getting lynched, though it's pretty much inevitable.
Remember day 1 when we had those 2 groups?
One of these is a wolf, the rest are green: Me, You, Brawler, Latios, Noc
One of these is a wolf, one is a guardian, one is a vigi: BDS, Fank, Olimar, Dude
Fast forward to last night where we can cross off me, latios, noc, and dude from those lists giving us.
One of these is a wolf, the rest are green: You, Brawler
One of these is a wolf, one is a guardian, one is a vigi: BDS, Fank, Olimar
From here, fank thought Olimar was a wolf and BDS was the vigi, so he PMd BDS and asked him to vigi someone. BDS replied saying he was the guardian. Then olimar was wolfed and flipped blue.
Things pointing towards BDS being human: Nothing
Things pointing towards Fank being human: Everything he does makes more sense from the perspective of the guardian. Actively helped human team.
Things pointing towards BDS being a wolf: The deductive logic to determine fank was a wolf was equally useable last night as it is today, however, BDS only used that logic to try and avoid getting lynched, it not even crossing his mind when he claimed to fank.
Things pointing towards Fank being a wolf: Noc and fank were working together a lot and noc flipped red without fank even taking note of it.
Can't edit the mistakes in my post but you should be able to figure it out.
I hope those mistakes are purely cosmetic.
Thanks a lot; this clears things up. Unfortunately, there's just one problem:
Quote from: FireArrow on August 01, 2015, 11:01:01 PMOne of these is a wolf, the rest are green: You, Brawler
I've claimed Shellmon multiple times. I even freaked when I evolved into a green and asked the humans to take action 'cause I thought I was a wolf. I've made my case for humanity. Unless we've messed up our predictions, Brawler and I have some discussing to do.
Currently I'm much more suspicious of you as you're going out your way to defend yourself without helping much, whereas brawler only defends himself when necessary and as been very helpful otherwise.
This is my initial post (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300265#msg300265).
This is BDS's reply (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300271#msg300271).
BDS's Logic (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300274#msg300274).
More of BDS's logic (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300276#msg300276). Retorts to this logic are found in the posts below it.
My retort to BDS's logic (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300288#msg300288), found a little later down the thread.
This is not a comprehensive list of every point made. This a small list of exchanges between me and BDS. I hope that this satisfies your request, dudeman. :)
FA, I made a mental note to myself about noct
I think the thing to note was he was green up until the last phase.
And I have a small theory anyway. I need to have a lpok at some logs, see if it proves true
Quote from: Dudeman on August 01, 2015, 11:11:34 PMThanks a lot; this clears things up. Unfortunately, there's just one problem:I've claimed Shellmon multiple times. I even freaked when I evolved into a green and asked the humans to take action 'cause I thought I was a wolf. I've made my case for humanity. Unless we've messed up our predictions, Brawler and I have some discussing to do.
You've claimed Shellmon only once (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300245#msg300245). I made the initial case that you had to be Shellmon, but with the full knowledge that you were a wolf. In other words, I called your bluff (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299772#msg299772). If you had read the op, you would know that you being a wolf that Night would be impossible. Your request to be sacrificed may have been seemingly noble, but you had every opportunity to know that such an action would be unnecessary. Your case relies entirely upon you being ignorant of the functions of the game; a claim that cannot be credited or discredited under these circumstances.
What can be credited, however, is that you use this seeming ignorance in your defense, as I knew that you would. That's why I felt it important to point out the flaw in your logic in the beginning. So no, I do not see your "freaking out" as evidence of your humanity.
For my part, I'm done for the night. I'll be back on in the morning and we can continue this riveting debate.
Quote from: FireArrow on August 01, 2015, 11:01:01 PMMore accurately, BDS got caught red handed as a wolf and now he's trying everything he can to avoid doing getting lynched, though it's pretty much inevitable.
Caught? Doing what? Being the guardian!? :P Nothing I did makes sense from a wolf perspective (claiming guardian is just the first of such actions)!
QuoteThings pointing towards BDS being human: Nothing
Claiming guardian to someone who now claims to be the guardian, but made an insanely suspect-in-hindsight versatile claim.
QuoteThings pointing towards Fank being human: Everything he does makes more sense from the perspective of the guardian. Actively helped human team.
I have pointed out several reasons why nothing Fank has done make sense from a guardian perspective.
QuoteThings pointing towards BDS being a wolf: The deductive logic to determine fank was a wolf was equally useable last night as it is today, however, BDS only used that logic to try and avoid getting lynched, it not even crossing his mind when he claimed to fank.
1: I thought Fank was a green, given, as you call it, his active help of the human team. I didn't put much thought into it until he claimed guardian, because of reasons referenced in 3, and the improbability of it at the time (among other things).
2: If I were a wolf, I would have noticed that before and not claimed guardian, but rather, a lazy green (see: Occam's Razor (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Laconic/OccamsRazor)).
3: Even if I had thought Fank was a wolf before he claimed guardian, me claiming to Fank wouldn't have made any difference because I can guard myself (what I did, have done, and planned to continue to do).
QuoteThings pointing towards Fank being a wolf: Noc and fank were working together a lot and noc flipped red without fank even taking note of it.
This is saying the least of the evils... extremely biased and subjective, to say the least. The wording of a number of your posts ooze wolf, especially your "got caught red handed as a wolf" and "though it's pretty much inevitable" lines which try to smugly assert certainty in spite of the insane improbability, along with Brawler's recent "as I knew that you would."
Alright guys, bds caught us, gigs up. We thought our figure out who else is a wolf then circle jerk everyone to death plan would work.
Quote from: FireArrow on August 02, 2015, 12:56:38 AMAlright guys, bds caught us, gigs up. We thought our figure out who else is a wolf then circle jerk everyone to death plan would work.
... ... ... ...?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 02, 2015, 12:50:44 AMI have pointed out several reasons why nothing Fank has done make sense from a guardian perspective.
you've done what now? there's more holes than what you suppose is in mine.
There are two facts that I really want to bring up...
1.) Me and noct were talking to try and get the betamon starter
2.) Noct stopped talking to me last phase.
Wouldnt I keep talking with Noct and try to manipulate a plan to try and change that vig shot?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 02, 2015, 12:50:44 AMClaiming guardian to someone who now claims to be the guardian, but made an insanely suspect-in-hindsight versatile claim.
this is your most human quality? something that is little to no value at this stage? considering that this could be PLANNED. (given the two facts above)
you can try prove me wrong till you are blue in the face but the one irrefutable fact remains, is that one of us, is a wolf.
ArgumentsBDS (Fank's a wolf)-Fank's guardian claim is an opportunistic claim.
-Fank has been really sketchy and vague, keeping windows open for him
Counters to BDS-I've hinted I was a blue since N2 as stated and if I were a wolf, I took up the guardian claim a lot earlier than what you are claiming. (N2's vig shot makes no sense, why would I shoot either Noct, or FA?)
-sometimes I don't mind claiming, but you don't need a hard claim to put in seeds. as much as noct and FA had a nice plan D1, I didnt want to kill the vig, considering that he was our weapon when jiji died. so the fluff was to try and draw the focus away.
Fanks arguments (Bds is a wolf)-BDS's Logic has the same argument from my perspective, I have someone claimed what I am, what am I to do?
(As I said before Noct not talking to me, I basically had no one to talk to. and try to confide, there was olimar but.. eh)
-BDS inattention to the game. I think we would all know if I claimed green, given I was somewhat secretive and keeping to chat logs, it was still posted to the thread and was a genuine idea. Now him claiming green...
-There is a master plan in place.
I have a memory, one of noct/FA I hardclaimed privately with before N3, gotta find the logs for it (maybe it was on my phone (good luck accessing them)) anyway, as I said, I had a plan with noct...
This is what I sent Noct.
Quote from: fank009 on July 31, 2015, 02:03:21 PMLogs
02:16:45: <fank009> had a disconnect :/
02:16:59: <Brawler4Ever> sorry
02:17:50: <fank009> last nights kill was very interesting...
02:18:13: <Brawler4Ever> ikr?
02:18:20: <fank009> yeah...
02:18:25: <Brawler4Ever> I have no idea what anybody's thinking anymore :/
02:18:27: <fank009> especially after our conversation
02:18:40: <fank009> just given up eh?
02:18:43: <fank009> its quite clear...
02:18:53: <fank009> you have FA wanting to turn all the red green
02:19:25: <fank009> and you have me/noct wanting to wrap everything up
02:19:32: <fank009> nothing too crazy about that.
02:19:49: <Brawler4Ever> i know about our last conversation
02:19:51: <Brawler4Ever> and even with that
02:20:00: <Brawler4Ever> I literally have no idea what you're talking about xD
02:20:09: <Brawler4Ever> you can believe taht I'm a wolf if you want
02:20:27: <fank009> ah, feigning ignorance.
02:20:40: <Brawler4Ever> lol
02:20:47: <fank009> the best thing that one can have.
02:20:49: <Brawler4Ever> have you read Dudeman's posts?
02:20:56: <fank009> which ones?
02:21:06: <Brawler4Ever> during this phase
02:21:10: <fank009> yeah
02:21:14: <Brawler4Ever> if you asked him if I was a wolf, he would probably say no
02:21:15: <fank009> tells even more.
02:21:32: <fank009> he would...
02:21:33: <Brawler4Ever> even though there's no logical reason for him to believe that
02:21:38: <Brawler4Ever> it's him or me
02:21:44: <fank009> since when do people follow logic.
02:21:47: <Brawler4Ever> so either he's incredibly dense
02:21:52: <Brawler4Ever> or lying
02:22:55: <fank009> when you take other things into consideration, it is quite clear.
02:23:35: <fank009> there is one thing we need to know now
02:23:44: <fank009> knowing you you'd prolly tell eventually
02:24:12: <fank009> so you're leomon eh? who
02:24:41: <Brawler4Ever> am I going to block?
02:24:44: <Brawler4Ever> or negate?
02:24:44: <Brawler4Ever> whatever
02:24:44: <fank009> yeah
02:24:47: <Brawler4Ever> dudeman
02:25:19: <Brawler4Ever> my power sucks
02:25:29: <fank009> nah
02:25:32: <Brawler4Ever> can't even stop a wolfing
02:25:58: <Brawler4Ever> and I can only use it every other Night
02:25:59: <fank009> ...
02:26:03: <fank009> seems like a waste
02:26:10: <fank009> to use it on dudeman
02:26:10: <Brawler4Ever> I think it can't stop a wolfing?
02:26:32: <Brawler4Ever> I asked davy. I'm assuming my power is the same
02:26:32: <Brawler4Ever> I know Garurumon's doesn't
02:26:52: <Brawler4Ever> on whom else should I use it?
02:27:13: <Brawler4Ever> I'm open to suggestions :P
02:29:11: <Brawler4Ever> Do you believe that dudeman is telling the truth in his posts?
02:30:27: <fank009> ...
02:31:05: <fank009> whats the point of blocking you're CC?
02:31:17: <Brawler4Ever> he's a wolf
02:31:24: <Brawler4Ever> and he might have a power
02:31:27: <fank009> you cant block a wolfing though...
02:31:33: <fank009> there's only one power he can have
02:31:35: <Brawler4Ever> the wolf psychic
02:31:40: <fank009> ^
02:31:44: <Brawler4Ever> he sees how many blues are in the game
02:31:52: <fank009> and you are just openly going to put faith that he's the psychic?
02:31:59: <Brawler4Ever> the other one counts as 2 votes
02:32:07: <fank009> for now...
02:32:18: <Brawler4Ever> the alternative is me accidentally hitting the vigi
02:32:35: <fank009> and thats a bad thing?
02:32:58: <Brawler4Ever> if he's aiming for the 3 that were reborn, I would say yes
02:33:01: <fank009> maybe you should stop the vigi,
02:33:12: <fank009> thats only if we dont lynch dude now
02:33:16: <fank009> you stop the vigi,
02:33:59: <fank009> and you have wolves..
02:34:22: <Brawler4Ever> what?
02:34:25: <fank009> with little to no guidance
02:34:30: <fank009> wolves have what...
02:34:36: <fank009> 3 votes
02:35:20: <fank009> + however many turn wolves...
02:35:46: <Brawler4Ever> potentially 6, if RNGesus is in their favor
02:35:58: <Brawler4Ever> and we don't get rid of any
02:36:08: <fank009> ...
02:36:17: <Brawler4Ever> I would rather the vigi act on those that have turned already
02:36:18: <fank009> the odds are in our favour somewhat
02:36:21: <Brawler4Ever> (if Jiji is alive)
02:36:25: <Brawler4Ever> heck
02:36:30: <Brawler4Ever> even if Jiji's dead
02:36:35: <Brawler4Ever> why not vigi them?
02:36:43: <Brawler4Ever> or me/dudeman
02:37:54: <fank009> I believe the odds are in our favour
02:38:12: <fank009> there would be 9 votes floating around
02:38:16: <fank009> wolves need 2 to flip
02:38:26: <fank009> to hold majority
02:38:40: <fank009> and they only have if only one flipped
02:38:49: <fank009> humans have 5 bodies to run them over
02:38:51: <Brawler4Ever> wait
02:38:53: <Brawler4Ever> 3 votes?
02:39:00: <fank009> ...
02:39:01: <fank009> yeah
02:39:14: <fank009> your forgetting about that wolf double voter
02:39:14: <Brawler4Ever> 2 starters + ...?
02:39:19: <fank009> so...
02:39:24: <fank009> 2 starters is 3 votes
02:39:36: <fank009> and for every flip from noct/latios/FA
02:39:43: <fank009> wolves get one more
02:39:43: <Brawler4Ever> oh
02:39:50: <Brawler4Ever> I thought that meant a wolfing vote xP
02:39:59: <fank009> so thats why
02:40:01: <Brawler4Ever> so he would always override his partner
02:40:04: <fank009> you should block the vigi
02:40:32: <Brawler4Ever> still learning the game :P
02:40:37: <Brawler4Ever> ok
So, we need to preferbly vig the betamon starter. 1 less vote for wolves gives us leeway. (given that 2 have flipped...)
the conversation is interesting...
I think the biggest line of all is this one...
something to look at
02:31:05: <fank009> whats the point of blocking you're CC?
02:31:17: <Brawler4Ever> he's a wolf
02:31:24: <Brawler4Ever> and he might have a power
(While searching through my PM's I found this...)
Pm to FA/Noct
Quote from: fank009 on July 29, 2015, 07:56:03 PMSo I've been chatting with noct, and I think we can kill the wolf starters and what not and the rest within a few ticks, even with jiji dead.
So, atm we have of those unconfirmed
One of Brawler/dudeman
One of BDS/Fank/Olimar.
basically solving the game depends on a certain amount of information.
Vig shot in greens.
I am willing to bet good money on saying BDS shot Noct, due to a number of reasons, including stubborness. I don't see olimar shooting either of you two, and me... why would I shoot any of you as a vig?
In terms of brawler dudeman, brawler has just been falling over pretty simple qs (eh noct) he is showing some awareness in some areas, but you ask him a certain q and he relaxes his guard, thinking its normal when in reality its a wolf tell.
Me/Olimar... well we all know who I'm going to argue for in that argument.
so we are left with 1+1/2
we rebirth someone into a human, and we have 2 chances to lose humans for wolves, odds of 1 I calculated at ~85%
The wolf game lies in betamon, betamon dies and we can swallow up the rest of the wolves.
The game is as good as solved and from my point of view, I see no point in prolonging the game when a human victory is on the cards, (- potential wolves turning tonight :/)
If you wanna make all the red green though... it will be a timely procedure...
So... I softclaim guardian, Noct finds out BDS isnt Vig, and then gives him info. Somewhat seems like a stretch, but is consistent with Noct stopping the talks with me. considering BDS naturally dumbtells at times it might be convincing, and I swear Nocts been going to fanks school of being devious.
BDS's Argument for(BDS is the guardian)"I claimed to fank I was a guardian, why would I do that as a wolf?"
Fanks argument for(Fank is the guardian)-What wolf stratergy?
-Wolfings
lets take this back a moment and say I'm a wolf, N2 Kills, my partner is in the greens, do I feel lucky, or should I just wolf bubbles who at that time is 75% green to put odds back in our favour?
-Stall game
I've been saying all game d1-d2. We Need to kill Jiji. yeah long run we can win war of attrition (and we know how this argument kept on). but there is strong motivation to stall the game. get some neat as powers (like palmon/Doublevoting/blue count). why not let the same people die so that we don't dig and let the starters digivolve (and get powers, not to mention a possible vig towards end game)
-Meta.
ah meta, oh how we like meta. those that know my play, yeah that aint going to help much. basically I'm calculating, planning and always looking to be one step ahead. yep sounds like me this game, but as I said before, not really telling as I am a planner no matter what side I'm on.
-Looking for partners
self explanatory, hopefully don't need to explain and have you seen it?
-Fank is the guardian.
I like leaving subtle hints so that those that find them so people can trust me and what not.
chat logs and what not (and other things i've posted in this argument) If people want more i will hunt for it inbetween classes
Conclusionevery argument needs a good conclusion, so it basically boils down to 2 styles of play...
someone whos been consistently here vs someone whos just turned up.
Hopefully the right choice can be made.
Notes
there's something niggling at me atm, I can't put my finger on it.
while you were typing...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 02, 2015, 01:20:50 AM... ... ... ...?
/pokes with stick
(ahh, the feeling of writing books again)
Quote from: fank009 on August 02, 2015, 02:39:09 AM-I've hinted I was a blue since N2 as stated and if I were a wolf, I took up the guardian claim a lot earlier than what you are claiming. (N2's vig shot makes no sense, why would I shoot either Noct, or FA?)
My point was that you intentionally left you claim vague so that you could manipulate it as necessary. As I mentioned, had it suited your needs, you could just as easily have claimed normal human pretending to be luring in wolves!
Quote-sometimes I don't mind claiming, but you don't need a hard claim to put in seeds. as much as noct and FA had a nice plan D1, I didnt want to kill the vig, considering that he was our weapon when jiji died. so the fluff was to try and draw the focus away.
That still doesn't address how unnecessary it was, especially given the above (i.e. it really reflects poorly on you, and,
at the least, makes you look opportunistic). Given the wolfings, though, it seems like your attempt "to try and draw the focus away" from the vigi not only completely failed, but was apparently unnecessary in the first place.
Quote-BDS inattention to the game. I think we would all know if I claimed green, given I was somewhat secretive and keeping to chat logs, it was still posted to the thread and was a genuine idea. Now him claiming green...
As I said, I assumed you were green by process of elimination (e.g. I'm the guardian, Fank's not the vigi, Fank seems to be giving effort, so Fank must be green).
QuoteSo... I softclaim guardian, Noct finds out BDS isnt Vig, and then gives him info. Somewhat seems like a stretch, but is consistent with Noct stopping the talks with me. considering BDS naturally dumbtells at times it might be convincing, and I swear Nocts been going to fanks school of being devious.
None of this even makes any sense, on multiple different levels. Saying that it's "a stretch" isn't exactly true- it flat-out is insanely improbable.
Quote"I claimed to fank I was a guardian, why would I do that as a wolf?"
I think... you forgot everything else that's supposed to be there. Nice selective display of information to everybody who reads your giant-font post. :P
Quote-What wolf stratergy?
-Wolfings
lets take this back a moment and say I'm a wolf, N2 Kills, my partner is in the greens, do I feel lucky, or should I just wolf bubbles who at that time is 75% green to put odds back in our favour?
Padding much? I'm not quite sure what you're trying to implying here, but whatever it is, you're not. You're leaving it very, very open to reader interpretation (not to mention the fact that there's always the possibility that you didn't make
all the wolfings thus far, given that wolves don't know each other; it's not a stretch to say you made the Olimar wolfing, though).
Quote-Stall game
I've been saying all game d1-d2. We Need to kill Jiji. yeah long run we can win war of attrition (and we know how this argument kept on). but there is strong motivation to stall the game. get some neat as powers (like palmon/Doublevoting/blue count). why not let the same people die so that we don't dig and let the starters digivolve (and get powers, not to mention a possible vig towards end game)
And that suddenly adds a lot more justification to you false-claiming guardian. If you can find out who the guardian is, go through with a believable claim (by process of elimination through green claiming, you can judge the possibility of success rather early on, narrowing it down even further by making an attempt to find the vigi, which gets you human points), you can get the guardian lynched, who, when they digivolve into Phoenixmon, essentially ensures that two humans will remain alive throughout the entire game.
Quote-Meta.
ah meta, oh how we like meta. those that know my play, yeah that aint going to help much. basically I'm calculating, planning and always looking to be one step ahead. yep sounds like me this game, but as I said before, not really telling as I am a planner no matter what side I'm on.
-Looking for partners
self explanatory, hopefully don't need to explain and have you seen it?
PADDING.
Quote-Fank is the guardian.
I like leaving subtle hints so that those that find them so people can trust me and what not.
chat logs and what not (and other things i've posted in this argument) If people want more i will hunt for it inbetween classes
There's not much in terms of reasoning here- just a blank statement. Not to mention my above suggestion about you intentionally leaving your claim malleable in case of the necessity of a change of plans.
Quoteevery argument needs a good conclusion, so it basically boils down to 2 styles of play...
someone whos been consistently here vs someone whos just turned up.
Hopefully the right choice can be made.
Appeal to emotions. Now, what I say as rebuttal:
SENSIBLE HARDCLAIM VS. MALLEABLE, OPEN-ENDED SOFTCLAIM(P.S. Think! Occam's Razor! That's so handy to bring up all the time, isn't it?)
It's so funny how one-sided you can make issues appear to be!
Also I would argue that my playstyle thus far supports guardian, as being able to guard yourself the whole time while somebody else catches wolves (or would have were they not a wolf themselves! HMMMM!?!?) doesn't really promote an active attitude (given what I said about Phoenixmon, you can contribute to the cause without technically doing anything)... in addition to the fact that I've also been doing other things unrelated to the game... such as, being preoccupied with two other high-activity games (not through its entirety so far, but mostly around the beginning-ish parts).
Needless to say, were I a wolf, I would have been much more active (nor would I engage in claims only incompetent wolves would try; nay- I only do inane special claims as third party! :P).
Also, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't FireArrow have a 50% chance to be a wolf, given how he revived? Even ignoring all the nonsense you're shouting, there's a 50% chance you're wrong right off the bat (which, by association, means you can't be the guardian)!
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 01, 2015, 10:06:42 PMAlso, where are you, Bubbles and Latios. ._.
Headed to work. I'll be back this afternoon/night!
Quote(not to mention the fact that there's always the possibility that you didn't make all the wolfings thus far, given that wolves don't know each other; it's not a stretch to say you made the Olimar wolfing, though).
... there's this thing, I think you mentioned it before, its called timezone advantage.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 02, 2015, 05:10:56 AMAlso I would argue that my playstyle thus far supports guardian, as being able to guard yourself the whole time while somebody else catches wolves (or would have were they not a wolf themselves! HMMMM!?!?) doesn't really promote an active attitude (given what I said about Phoenixmon, you can contribute to the cause without technically doing anything)... in addition to the fact that I've also been doing other things unrelated to the game... such as, being preoccupied with two other high-activity games (not through its entirety so far, but mostly around the beginning-ish parts).
Needless to say, were I a wolf, I would have been much more active (nor would I engage in claims only incompetent wolves would try; nay- I only do inane special claims as third party! :P).
Also, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't FireArrow have a 50% chance to be a wolf, given how he revived? Even ignoring all the nonsense you're shouting, there's a 50% chance you're wrong right off the bat (which, by association, means you can't be the guardian)!
-You're playstyle of self guarding has supported the fact you are the guardian? Please, if you want to be supporting how about try predicting where a shots going to go at night, or save someone who needed it, like bubbles n2.
-you, active? please, I've seen games where you are inactive as a wolf. (should go find it)
-what are you referencing in this paragraph?
Also... if you really want to bring occams razor into it, talk about all the assumptions you made going at my end. (granted there are some big assumptions, but there is big assumptions on both sides, q is, which ones the biggest.)
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 02, 2015, 05:10:56 AMAlso, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't FireArrow have a 50% chance to be a wolf, given how he revived?!
Then FireArrow has a 50% chance that he's about to lynch one of his partners. If I were a wolf, I could say the same. And yet we're both voting against you. Unless you believe that we've formed a triple alliance? Even if fank and I were working together, how would we get FA into our alliance? He was the first person to vote against you. Fank knew that you were a wolf when Olimar died. I believe that you're a wolf because of probability. The chances that fank is the guardian are much higher than yours. I can't say whether FA is a wolf or not. If he is a wolf, then he's only been a wolf for one phase. You're just assuming that he is because he's voting against you. Your mindset of "everybody that is not with me is against me" is, imo, your attempt at trying to grasp at straws to survive. Which, imo, is very wolfish.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 02, 2015, 05:10:56 AMEven ignoring all the nonsense you're shouting, there's a 50% chance you're wrong right off the bat (which, by association, means you can't be the guardian
What does this mean? Why can't fank be the guardian? My entire case against you is that fank is the guardian, and therefore you can't be. Nothing that you have said has lead me to believe that he's not. Most of what I've heard so far is just rambling and grasping at straws. But I would appreciate it if you would explain your reasoning here.
Fank. BDS has won me over.
Also I'll be in the chat this evening to talk 'n stuff.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 02, 2015, 04:59:04 AMAs I said, I assumed you were green by process of elimination (e.g. I'm the guardian, Fank's not the vigi, Fank seems to be giving effort, so Fank must be green).
Why can't I get this through to you, at the time you claimed there were 4 possible greens, 3 confirmed greens, and 2 unconfirmed green claims. 5 is greater than 4, and fank wasn't even in the 5. To assume Fank was a green would require you to be completely ignorant to something that was discussed in the thread multiple times, meaning you haven't been reading it. So my options are:
Guardian who's been ignoring the thread whilst sitting back and guarding himself every night
or
Guardian who's been extremely helpful for the human team and one of the most active players
If you are the guardian, you've done absolutely nothing for us this game bar count for human numbers, the only time you've been active is to save yourself. Yeah no, to me that's a dictionary description of a wolf.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 02, 2015, 11:22:16 AMFank. BDS has won me over.
if someone has to win you over, more than likely its a wolf
Quote from: FireArrow on August 02, 2015, 12:07:07 PMIf you are the guardian, you've done absolutely nothing for us this game bar count for human numbers, the only time you've been active is to save yourself. Yeah no, to me that's a dictionary description of a wolf.
pokes argument
If FA has turned wolf as you suspect BDS, well we are doomed.
With 2 50/50 wolves siding with me, something doesn't seem right...
Noct, how much work did you do last night ???
Um... BDS, stupid q for you, why aren't I dead(/been reborn)?
Wouldn't anyone notice all this and raise an alert/ push me to be killed?
I must have a really big thumb if thats the case.
It's like you read over everything I said and suddenly pineapples.
By your logic I should have been lynched/shot D2 and everyone else, all 8 of them, didn't do anything.
Why didn't olimar shoot me? There is enough evidence to suggest otherwise
I'm here!! Again I'm sorry for being next to nonexistent, I'll admit I haven't had my head in this game
I'm gonna have to vote for BDS here. FA posted what I was thinking: if you ARE the guardian you haven't been any different than a regular human, and we could always just get fank next day phase. This is assuming the humans can afford to have another mislynch, right?
I-I-I-I-INSTA!!!!TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar123452. Latios212
3. Fank009
4. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow
8. Dude9. NocturneOfShadow10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
BlackDragonSlayer was lynched. He was blue. It's now night 4. Night 4 will end August 3rd 2:00PM PST/3:00PM MST/4:00PM CST/5:00PM EST/11:00PM CET/August 4th 10AM in New Zealand
Oh dear, what just happened? Anyone wanna pop in chat to catch me up........
...
just a few more blocks to go now... claims to me I guess
@BDS, you cant just all of the sudden claim guardian and expect everyone to believe you.
Wait, so BDS really had absolutely no idea what was going on? BDS had a wolf handed to him on a silver platter (fank basically telling him he wasn't blue), but because BDS didn't read the thread (the thread saying fank was confirmed not green), he assumed fank was green and told him he was the guardian.
I swear humans don't deserve to win this game at all. This is so stupid.
Well, flip. I'm so sorry BDS. I feel like crap right now... :-\
Quote from: FireArrow on August 02, 2015, 02:35:01 PMWait, so BDS really had absolutely no idea what was going on? BDS had a wolf handed to him on a silver platter (fank basically telling him he wasn't blue), but because BDS didn't read the thread (the thread saying fank was confirmed not green), he assumed fank was green and told him he was the guardian.
I swear humans don't deserve to win this game at all. This is so stupid.
lets not forget dude as well
I do have tp give olimar aome credit though. It aint over yet.
So at the moment to my understanding, wolves control the lynch.
there is 1 blue out there.
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 02, 2015, 02:39:44 PMWell, flip. I'm so sorry BDS. I feel like crap right now... :-\
This is entirely BDS's fault, your apologetic reaction is much more in line with how a wolf would act.
Quote from: fank009 on August 02, 2015, 02:40:37 PMlets not forget dude as well
I do have tp give olimar aome credit though. It aint over yet.
So at the moment to my understanding, wolves control the lynch.
there is 1 blue out there.
So there's 3 wolves left? Great.
...yay, I didn't screw up the vote...
Lets just get one thing straight...
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So this is how grim the situation is for you guys.
There are 6 people alive right now...
so say there is no vig, and its just a 1-1-1-1
We have the wolfing, that will take us to 5, Lynch me, take us to 4, another wolfing, will take us to 3 but then... the betamon starter would evolve and become a triple voter, holding the majority and game,set match.
the key to the wolf team is the betamon starter.
kill him, we lose. simple.
shit
Quote from: fank009 on August 02, 2015, 06:54:54 PMThere are 6 people alive right now...
so say there is no vig, and its just a 1-1-1-1
We have the wolfing, that will take us to 5, Lynch me, take us to 4, another wolfing, will take us to 3 but then... the betamon starter would evolve and become a triple voter, holding the majority and game,set match.
the key to the wolf team is the betamon starter.
kill him, we lose. simple.
Actually I don't think that's right. The rules say the wolves win when all humans are gone and humans win when all wolves are gone (not the traditional wolves=humans win condition). Idk if anyone evolving would change that prediction, but the game wouldn't necessarily end on that phase
10 bucks Fank's the betamon starter.
TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar123452. Latios212
3. Fank0094. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow8. Dude9. NocturneOfShadow10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
fank009 and FireArrow died. fank009 was red, FireArrow was green. It's now day 4. Day 4 will end August 5th 2:00PM PST/3:00PM MST/4:00PM CST/5:00PM EST/11:00PM CET/August 6th 10AM in New Zealand
Lel vig. Oh well still screwed
Lynch B4E. Do it now.
I'd like to not rush this phase (after my insta push last one haa..) since I'm stuck between two lynch options atm. I'm going to really try to get on the chat later tonight and STAY on, so please try to do that too everyone
I'll be there.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 03, 2015, 03:21:59 PMLynch B4E. Do it now.
So should I cut the pomp and circumstance and just vote for Dudeman now, or wait until later? It seems like we want to wait until later, and I'm totally fine with that. But I think that it's fair to say that either Dudeman or I is going to be lynched today. :P
I'll be in chat as well.
Chat log from a few minutes ago:
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15:59 *** Brawler4Ever joined #TWG
15:59 Brawler4Ever hey
15:59 Dudeman42 Wow that was prompt.
15:59 Brawler4Ever ikr?
15:59 Brawler4Ever this is intense stuff
16:00 Dudeman42 So.
16:01 Dudeman42 Shall we address the elephant in the room now or later?
16:01 Brawler4Ever I think that we agreed on later xD
16:01 Brawler4Ever jk now is fine
16:01 Brawler4Ever we are each claiming that the other is a wolf
16:01 Dudeman42 Yyyyyep.
16:01 Dudeman42
16:02 Latios Ohey
16:02 Brawler4Ever hey
16:02 Latios Hi elephants
16:04 Dudeman42 Hello.
16:05 Latios Sorry for not being around during the BDS thing
16:05 Brawler4Ever np
16:05 Latios I got out of work checked my phone
16:05 Latios AAAAAUUUUGH
16:06 Brawler4Ever ikr?
16:06 Brawler4Ever BDS being guardian still doesn't make sense to me
16:06 Dudeman42 Made sense to me...
16:07 Latios Must say though he was acting kinda weird.
16:07 Brawler4Ever he posted roughly 3 times all game
16:07 Brawler4Ever I understand it now
16:07 Dudeman42 I think he was just being BDS-ey.
16:07 Latios RIP.
16:07 Brawler4Ever fair point
16:07 Dudeman42 Anytime he has to make an argument he does so with a text wall.
16:07 Brawler4Ever he was quiet last game as well
16:08 Dudeman42 Anyone wanna comment on Fank's table thing?
16:08 Latios Oh right the table thing
16:09 Dudeman42 It's irrelevant now 'cause the vigi's alive, but whatevs.
16:09 Latios So who's the vigi?
16:09 Brawler4Ever bubbles
16:09 Brawler4Ever has to be
16:10 Latios Process of elimination ftw
16:10 Brawler4Ever probably saved the game xD
16:10 Latios Yep, was scared that vigis were gone.
16:11 Dudeman42 So...
16:12 Latios I'm trying to get straight who's who
16:13 Latios So you two are the only originals left...
16:13 Dudeman42 That's correct.
16:13 Brawler4Ever yeah
16:13 Latios I'm gonna try and sort out who was who
16:13 Latios Dude was Jiji of course
16:13 Brawler4Ever I'm Leomon
16:13 Brawler4Ever Dudeman is Shellmon
16:14 Dudeman42 At least, that's what we're telling each other.
16:14 Brawler4Ever one of us is lying (do I need to say that?)
16:14 Brawler4Ever lol
16:14 Latios lol
16:14 Latios So eveyrone else first
16:14 Latios Bubbles is a vigi
16:14 Latios Greymon is it?
16:15 Brawler4Ever I think so?
16:15 Dudeman42 Looks that way.
16:15 Brawler4Ever yes
16:15 Latios So that means the original vigi is dead
16:15 Latios Otherwise there would have been more deaths last night right
16:15 Dudeman42 Olimar, probably.
16:15 Brawler4Ever yeah
16:15 Brawler4Ever he never claimed
16:15 Latios Seems like it
16:15 Brawler4Ever and BDS claimed guardian
16:16 Latios
16:16 Dudeman42 And flipped blue.
16:16 Brawler4Ever right
16:16 Latios Alright so that's about half of the roles I know now.
16:16 Dudeman42 Everyone else is/was either a normal wolf or a normal human.
16:17 Dudeman42 BTW, how does Fank "know" that the Betamon starter hasn't died yet?
16:17 Dudeman42 Ten bucks it's him.
16:17 Dudeman42 *was him.
16:17 Brawler4Ever because he was the first starter to die?
16:17 Latios Wasn't Noc red?
16:17 Brawler4Ever he died before
16:17 Dudeman42 Yeah.
16:17 Brawler4Ever but yeah, he was a wolf at his perma-death
16:18 Latios So what were we saying about Betamon
16:18 Dudeman42 Fank said he was alive??
16:18 Brawler4Ever before he died, yes
16:18 Latios Well Betamon could have claimed to him, right?
16:18 Latios Or something?
16:18 Brawler4Ever fank seemed like he was trying to draw a possible vigi off of himself
16:19 Brawler4Ever with BDS dead, there was no reason for the other wolf to
16:19 Brawler4Ever so why to claim to fank?
16:19 Brawler4Ever other wolf to *not claim to fank
16:20 Dudeman42 ...?
16:20 Brawler4Ever sorry
16:20 Brawler4Ever my words got jumbled
16:20 Dudeman42 Didn't that last question contradict your point?
16:20 Brawler4Ever lol
16:20 Dudeman42 XD
16:20 Dudeman42 Try again.
16:20 Brawler4Ever why not* claim to fank?
16:20 Latios wut.
16:20 Brawler4Ever xD
16:20 Latios oh ok
16:20 Dudeman42 Goooootcha.
16:21 Latios So we don't really know who was/is Betamon yet....
16:21 Latios What else do we know for sure
16:21 Brawler4Ever it was probably fank
16:21 Dudeman42 That's what I think.
16:21 Latios Well then that's good.
16:21 Dudeman42 He isn't too good at disguising himself.
16:22 Brawler4Ever understatement of the game xD
16:22 Dudeman42 XD
16:22 Dudeman42 (i blame Dude no matter who wins)
16:22 Brawler4Ever I blame RNG
16:22 Brawler4Ever but Dude also works
16:22 Dudeman42 Dude is my scapegoat.
16:22 Dudeman42
16:22 Brawler4Ever that leaves us the Psychic wolf
16:22 Latios I blame Dude
16:23 Brawler4Ever if fank was Betamon
16:23 Dudeman42 Is that the only possibility?
16:24 Brawler4Ever what's your role, latios?
16:24 Brawler4Ever bubbles is vigi
16:24 Brawler4Ever no doubt there
16:24 Brawler4Ever either dudeman or I is the wolf
16:25 Latios Ga... whatshisface
16:26 Dudeman42 The question is then who was phone??
16:26 Latios Who?
16:26 Dudeman42 Yes.
16:26 Latios who was what
16:26 Dudeman42 Phone.
16:27 Latios What?
16:27 Brawler4Ever fankphone?
16:27 Dudeman42 then who was phone??
16:28 Brawler4Ever ...?
16:28 Dudeman42 (the memes are weak with these ones)
16:28 Brawler4Ever the purple guy?
16:28 Dudeman42 Just give up. We have bigger fish to fry.
16:28 Brawler4Ever lol
16:28 Latios I still don't get it
16:28 Brawler4Ever I'm thinking a FNaF meme?
16:28 Dudeman42 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/then-who-was-phone
16:29 Latios I have literally never seen that before
16:29 Latios but okay
16:29 Brawler4Ever i've heard it recently on FNaF YT videos
16:30 Dudeman42 BU
16:30 Dudeman42 *BUT
16:30 Dudeman42 Seriously, who's the wolf.
16:30 Brawler4Ever what?
16:30 Brawler4Ever it has to be you or me
16:30 Dudeman42 (trying to get back on topic)
16:30 Dudeman42 Yeah.
16:30 Brawler4Ever maybe latios. who knows?
16:30 Brawler4Ever ok just making sure
16:31 Dudeman42 Are we sure that one of us two has to be the wolf?
16:31 Brawler4Ever yes
16:31 Brawler4Ever everybody else has died
16:31 Latios I have been very lost the whole game
16:31 Latios but it seems that way
16:31 Brawler4Ever we've killed two wolves
16:32 Brawler4Ever one was noc, and he was a... convert? recruit? whatever
16:32 Brawler4Ever the other was fank, who hadn't died yet
16:32 Brawler4Ever so yes, one of us has to be a wolf
16:32 Dudeman42 But Latios was reborn on a night phase.
16:32 Brawler4Ever Brawler4Ever maybe latios. who knows?
16:32 Latios Not me!
16:32 Brawler4Ever latios can be vigi'd if the game goes past Today
16:33 Dudeman42 And there's really only one wolf left. We're sure?
16:33 Brawler4Ever no...
16:33 Brawler4Ever latios may be a wolf
16:33 Dudeman42 I've lost track of rebirths etcetera.
16:33 Latios I'm trying to relocate everything
16:33 Latios Fank's an original wolf.
16:33 Brawler4Ever but it's irrelevant
16:33 Latios But I think that's it
16:33 Latios noc was turned
16:34 Brawler4Ever because he died on the same Night as FA
16:34 Brawler4Ever the same one where you were reborn
16:34 Latios Now I remember.
16:35 Dudeman42 I have to take a break for a while. Fill me in on developments when I get back.
16:35 Brawler4Ever ok
16:35 Latios Okay.
16:35 Latios Have the funs!
16:35 Latios Hopefully Bubbles will be here then.
16:36 Brawler4Ever Latios, do you want to post this chat log, or should I?
16:36 *** Dudeman42 quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
16:36 Latios Go right ahead.
16:36 Brawler4Ever sounds good
Chat log with me, Dudeman, and Bubbles:
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17:48 bubbles ok phew
17:48 bubbles i joined the old chat and got confused lol
17:50 Brawler4Ever hey
17:51 Brawler4Ever we have come to the conclusion that you're the vigi, Bubbles
17:51 Brawler4Ever all of us, including Dudeman
17:53 bubbles doesnt really matter, either way im being wolfed next phase huh
17:54 Brawler4Ever unless the game ends today, yeah probably
17:54 bubbles why would the game end today?
17:55 Brawler4Ever either me or dudeman is a wolf
17:55 Brawler4Ever if latios is not a wolf, the game ends if the wolf dies
17:55 bubbles oh right
17:55 bubbles i thought you meant with a human loss
17:56 Brawler4Ever oh sorry
17:56 bubbles i gotta do some math
17:56 bubbles figure out these winning scenarios
17:56 Brawler4Ever if the game doesn't end and we hit the wolf, you wolf latios for the win
17:56 Brawler4Ever vigi*
17:57 bubbles i dont know the order of powers though
17:57 bubbles and the evolving stuff
17:57 bubbles thats what im looking at
17:57 Brawler4Ever oh ok
17:57 bubbles since youre an original, do you know when youre going to evolve again?
17:57 Brawler4Ever at the end of this phase, if fank's table is correct
17:57 Brawler4Ever and I haven't found any problems with the table yet
17:58 bubbles and who would you evolve into?
17:58 Brawler4Ever um...
17:58 Brawler4Ever Mamemon
17:58 Brawler4Ever (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
17:58 *** Dudeman42 joined #TWG
17:58 Brawler4Ever hey
17:58 bubbles hi
17:58 Brawler4Ever the gang's all here!
17:58 Dudeman42 Hello, fellow survivors.
17:58 Brawler4Ever although I think that latios is afk
17:58 Dudeman42 This is actually really cool
17:58 bubbles your powers p useless though lol
17:58 Brawler4Ever yeah
17:59 bubbles so you are both aware that youre claiming useless roles
17:59 Brawler4Ever by the time my power would matter (Leomon or Mamemon) the game will be over
17:59 Brawler4Ever in terms of finding the wolf? yes
18:00 Dudeman42 So, have I missed anything?
18:00 bubbles also that youre both claiming to have been human from the very start
18:00 bubbles therefore, every action you both took in this game was supposedly for a human victory
18:00 Brawler4Ever not really, dudeman
18:00 bubbles in your words, that is
18:00 Brawler4Ever yes, bubbles
18:00 bubbles ok that makes things easier
18:00 Dudeman42 Same.
18:01 bubbles if you were reborn there'd be a whole lot of confusing theoretical shit to sift through that i dont really have the patience for
18:01 bubbles but thanks!!
18:01 Brawler4Ever lol
18:01 Brawler4Ever neither dudeman nor I have been killed yet
18:02 Brawler4Ever the only wolves that have died are fank and noc
18:02 Brawler4Ever and noc had died previously
18:02 bubbles but i dont believe fank was betamon
18:02 bubbles he said "there is one blue left" at some point
18:02 bubbles and thats the other wolf's power
18:03 bubbles (to know how many blues remain)
18:03 Brawler4Ever he said that after BDS died
18:03 Brawler4Ever so one of us could have claimed to him and brought him up to speed
18:03 bubbles what do you mean?
18:04 Brawler4Ever http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300374#msg300374
18:04 Brawler4Ever by the time he said that, fank was a confirmed wolf
18:04 bubbles yeah
18:04 Brawler4Ever so he might have been betamon, after all
18:04 bubbles ohhh
18:05 bubbles yeah thats a possibility too
18:05 Brawler4Ever the only way we can know
18:05 Brawler4Ever is if a vote gets insta'd by two votes
18:05 Brawler4Ever me + other = Dudeman death would mean that I'm the betamon
18:06 bubbles why have i not done this math yet >.>
18:06 Brawler4Ever I've been doing it since fank died
18:06 Brawler4Ever almost constantly
18:06 bubbles depending on the order of powers humans are either guaranteed a win or we're screwed
18:06 bubbles if we mislynch anyway
18:07 Dudeman42 Well, we'll have to choose which of us two to let vote first.
18:07 bubbles how about neither
18:07 bubbles you two are biased, so that leaves me and latios
18:07 Dudeman42 I meant between the two of us.
18:08 bubbles youre just going to vote for each other, and whoever is the wolf will have 2 votes
18:08 Brawler4Ever true
18:08 Brawler4Ever we should let bubbles and latios vote first
18:08 bubbles so the safest way for the HUMANS is for neither of you two to do anything
18:08 Brawler4Ever sounds good to me
18:08 Dudeman42 All right. Sounds fine.
18:09 Dudeman42 But then one of us has to break the tie...if there is one...
18:09 Brawler4Ever A gentleman's agreement
18:09 Brawler4Ever I love it! xD
18:09 Brawler4Ever eventually, yes
18:09 bubbles well at that point theres really nothing stopping it
18:09 Brawler4Ever latios and bubbles can't insta alone though
18:09 bubbles no there shouldnt be a tie
18:09 bubbles im intending on coming to an agreement with latios
18:10 bubbles do we need an insta?
18:10 bubbles yeah i guess
18:10 Brawler4Ever no
18:10 Brawler4Ever well
18:10 Dudeman42 An insta just confirms Seadramon.
18:10 bubbles itll speed things along but i wanna take our time
18:10 Brawler4Ever can we take that chance, though?
18:10 bubbles there wouldnt be a chance
18:10 bubbles if me and latios both agree on a target, and neither of you vote, there shouldnt be a problem
18:11 bubbles if either of you votes i swear ill lynch you right away
18:11 Dudeman42 Wait, the plan is that we don't vote at all?
18:11 Brawler4Ever WE don't
18:11 bubbles because if you are the double vote wolf that could cause a kitb
18:11 Brawler4Ever meaning you and me
18:11 bubbles brawler and dudeman do not vote
18:11 Dudeman42 @B4E Yeah, I got that.
18:12 Dudeman42 So to sum up, Bubbles and Latios vote. Brawler and I don't. Either they agree and reveal the true wolf, or we leave it up to a KitB to decide.
18:12 Brawler4Ever if bubbles and latios agree, there will be no KitB
18:12 Brawler4Ever it'll be 3v1
18:12 Dudeman42 Exactly.
18:13 Dudeman42 Oh, I misread Bubbles point earlier about coming to an agreement. Got it now.
18:13 Dudeman42 Gotta go eat food. Have fun.
Chat log with me, Bubbles, and Latios, immediately after:
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18:13 Brawler4Ever you have any questions for me?
18:14 bubbles have you used your power at all?
18:15 Brawler4Ever I used it on Dudeman
18:15 Brawler4Ever N3... I think?
18:15 bubbles why?
18:15 Brawler4Ever because I knew him to be a wolf
18:15 bubbles did you negate him last phase?
18:15 Brawler4Ever I can only do it every other phase
18:16 bubbles oh
18:17 bubbles can you double check that it was night 3 for me?
18:18 Brawler4Ever sure
18:18 bubbles you sounded unsure
18:18 Brawler4Ever oh, I meant every other Night phase
18:18 bubbles i know
18:18 Brawler4Ever ok just making sure
18:19 Brawler4Ever yes, it was Night 3
18:19 bubbles ok thanks
18:21 bubbles brb
18:21 Brawler4Ever ok
18:25 bubbles k back
18:27 Brawler4Ever hey
18:29 bubbles how convienent
18:29 bubbles you negating dudeman prevents the double voter from being isolated day 3
18:29 bubbles did you know that
18:29 bubbles ?
18:29 Brawler4Ever what?
18:30 Brawler4Ever I'm not quite sure I understand
18:30 bubbles if you look at the voted from day 3 you should be able to tell who had the double vote
18:30 bubbles by counting them up and factoring in the insta
18:30 bubbles but if you negated dudeman
18:30 bubbles 's power that cant be determined
18:31 bubbles unless it was fank
18:31 bubbles either way its undeterminable
18:31 Brawler4Ever I can't use my power during the Day phase
18:31 bubbles i know
18:31 Brawler4Ever I was hoping that dudeman was the psychic
18:31 bubbles but when you used your power night 3 it carries over to day 3
18:31 Brawler4Ever I don't think that my power can influence the charisma wolf
18:31 Brawler4Ever it does?
18:31 bubbles its a power right?
18:31 bubbles ill ask davy
18:32 Brawler4Ever I didn't think that it could
18:32 Brawler4Ever but then, this is my first game with this power in it
18:33 Brawler4Ever (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
18:33 Brawler4Ever you're right
18:34 Brawler4Ever "beginning of the next night phase"
18:34 Brawler4Ever I had read it as just "next phase"
18:34 bubbles yeah
18:34 Latios aguaughuahguhaughuhahguhaghgh
18:35 bubbles hi latios!!
18:35 Brawler4Ever hey
18:35 bubbles got something in your throat?
18:35 Latios I'm in the middle of smash matches with ben
18:35 bubbles so right now we have three possibilities
18:36 bubbles and i wont know which it is until davy pms me back
18:37 bubbles ...aaandd its 230 am where he is so it prob wont be for a while
18:37 Brawler4Ever lol
18:40 bubbles latios do you know your role?
18:40 Latios I have finished another match
18:40 Latios I am garurururururururumon
18:40 Latios Why do you have to wait for a PM?
18:40 bubbles i asked davy some questions
18:40 bubbles and your evolution progress is accurate on fank's chart?
18:41 bubbles wait nvm of course it is
18:42 Brawler4Ever what are your 3 possibilities, bubbles?
18:43 bubbles just of who had the double vote on day 3
18:44 bubbles depensing on what davy says it either osilates the wolf or leaves me back to nothing again
18:44 bubbles im not going to correct those typos lol
18:44 Brawler4Ever D3 it was me, fank, FA, and you against BDS
18:44 Brawler4Ever Dudeman voted for fank
18:45 Brawler4Ever how many of us were alive?
18:45 bubbles 7
18:45 bubbles 7 possible votes
18:46 bubbles 6 if you negated tho
18:46 Brawler4Ever does that include betamon's extra vote?
18:46 bubbles 6 people were alive, 7 including betamons vote
18:46 bubbles so actually looking at this again it doesnt really change anything
18:47 Brawler4Ever Found the post. I count 7 alive?
18:47 bubbles oh
18:47 Brawler4Ever me, bubbles, latios, fank, BDS, dudeman, and FA
18:47 bubbles why am i so messed up xD im in like 5 conversations rn
18:47 Brawler4Ever np it's all good
18:48 bubbles oh!!
18:49 bubbles so fank wasnt betamon!!
18:49 bubbles math is good
18:49 bubbles wait nvm
18:49 bubbles i should stop talking lol
18:50 Brawler4Ever Brawler4Ever np it's all good
18:50 bubbles ughhh
18:51 Brawler4Ever I have to go, sorry
18:51 bubbles no im RIGHT DAMNIT
18:51 bubbles FANK WAS THE PSYCHIC
18:51 bubbles ok
18:52 Brawler4Ever I'll post both of these chat logs in the thread
18:52 Brawler4Ever I thought that he was betamon
18:52 bubbles math says not
18:52 bubbles unless davy messed up the insta but i doubt it
18:53 Brawler4Ever I'm not sure
18:53 Brawler4Ever I'll double-check it though
18:53 Brawler4Ever cya!
and after brawler left
(warning: my brain kinda melted here and half of it is untrue and i know that but i'm posting it anyway)
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21:53 bubbles byee
21:53 bubbles latios do you want me to explain why?
21:54 *** Brawler4Ever quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
21:54 Latios yes please!
21:54 bubbles ok so i looked at the three scenarios of brawler, fank, or dudeman being the double voter
21:55 bubbles brawler claims that he negated dudeman night 3, meaning that if dudeman WAS the double vote it wouldnt have been in effect day 3
21:55 bubbles since there was a total of 7 players alive during that phase, the total number of votes would have been 8
21:55 bubbles 7 with a negated dudeman
21:56 bubbles with 7 votes, 4 votes would be needed for an insta
21:56 bubbles and with 8 votes it would need to be 5 (for a majority)
21:57 bubbles my vote on bds was the 5th vote, causing the insta
21:58 Latios Hmm.
21:58 bubbles so that means the double vote had to be in play right?
21:58 bubbles i didnt see this before actually
21:58 bubbles i just realized that xD
21:58 Latios Give me a few minutes
21:58 Latios this is confusing....
21:58 bubbles yeah
21:58 bubbles and its all based on that leoman can actually negate the double vote
21:59 bubbles bc brawler said it might not
22:05 bubbles oh wait i remember my train of thought now
22:05 bubbles my vote was the 5th on BDS if the vote was in play, the 4th if it was not
22:06 bubbles both would be the insta for each scenario
22:06 Latios What was the order of voting?
22:06 bubbles FA, fank, brawler, then me
22:07 bubbles if dudeman was the double, brawler wouldnt be lying and the total vote would have been 7
22:07 Latios How many people were alive at the time?
22:07 bubbles 7
22:07 Latios So you're saying
22:07 bubbles with one wolf with a double vote (that was possible negated)
22:07 Latios if any of FA, fank or brawler was double
22:08 Latios uh........
22:08 bubbles well we know it wasnt fa
22:08 Latios yeah
22:08 bubbles but i cant remember where i was going with this Dxx
22:08 bubbles let me think
22:09 Latios I'm sorry I'm so out of it
22:10 bubbles its ok im not making sense anyway
22:10 bubbles theres something here but theres so much going on around me rn that i cant focus
22:10 Latios Me too...
22:10 Latios But at least we're down to only 4 people now lol
22:10 bubbles i think brawlers the wolf
22:10 Latios why?
22:10 bubbles he said he negated dudeman
22:10 bubbles uh
22:11 bubbles brawler is the wolf if fank was the double vote
22:11 Latios but isn't dudeman just some random green dude with no power
22:11 bubbles yea
22:12 bubbles brawler is the wolf if fank was the double vote, dudeman couldnt have been the double vote
22:12 bubbles i think!
22:12 Latios Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:12 bubbles ill get my thoughts in order lollll
22:12 bubbles sorry for putting you through this
22:12 Latios why couldn't dudeman have the double vote?
22:12 Latios it's ok
22:12 Latios my brain is fried anyway
22:12 bubbles if the double vote was in play, the votes needed for an insta would have been 5
22:12 Latios 1 hour + of smash with ben
22:13 Latios Oh hmmm
22:13 bubbles because there was 7 people +1 vote
22:13 Latios that makes kinda sense
22:13 bubbles if dudeman was the double, my vote would have been the 4th on BDS vs the 3 on fank
22:13 bubbles (BDS and dudeman both voted for fank)
22:13 bubbles so unless davy messed up it couldnt have been him
22:14 bubbles ALSO, if dudeman was the psychic wolf, fank shouldnt have known how many blues were remaining
22:14 Latios but how do you know they weren't in contact
22:14 bubbles brawler said he could have been claimed to and told the number, but brawler also said he negated dudeman bc he thought he was the psychic
22:14 Latios Augh my head
22:15 bubbles so dudeman would have not gotten the update unless he had known prior (or had been in contact prior)
22:15 bubbles let me look!! i either just figured this whole thing out or we're back to square one
22:15 Latios Ok lol
22:16 bubbles ah nvm
22:16 Latios eh?
22:16 bubbles if dudeman is the wolf, he would have been negated night 3
22:17 bubbles but as the psychic he wouldve already known how many blues remained from night 2's data, so it doesnt mater
22:18 bubbles and he couldnt have been the double
22:19 Latios .............
22:19 bubbles oh my god im a mess
22:19 Latios lemme read things slowly....
22:19 bubbles im sorry you have to deal with me
22:19 Latios it's okay lol
22:20 Latios I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.....
22:20 bubbles me too lmaoo
22:20 Latios if Dudeman is wolf....
22:20 Latios Brawler (Leomon) would have... negated him night 3.....?
22:20 Latios And that means........
22:21 Latios wait if dudeman was which wolf
22:21 Latios augh
22:21 bubbles either
22:21 bubbles bc brawler and dudeman cant both be wolves
22:21 bubbles im sure of that lol
22:22 Latios Yup lol
22:22 Latios So what are you suggesting again? ack sorry for asking >___>
22:22 bubbles bds never had more than 2 votes on him
22:23 Latios until you came?
22:23 bubbles shit i meant fank >.<
22:23 Latios ok
22:23 Latios that's true
22:23 Latios I think.
22:23 bubbles im going to write this all out BEFORE i tell you so i stop confusing everyone
22:24 bubbles bc i dont even know what im saying anymore
22:24 bubbles im writing this all on a freaking paper towel bc theres no paper in my house
22:24 Latios Take your time lol
22:24 Latios I have to shower
22:24 Latios Clear my head
22:24 bubbles ok
22:24 Latios Gather your thoughts
22:24 bubbles yeah lol
22:24 bubbles theyre everywhere
22:24 Latios I'm seeing home run bats everywhere
22:24 Latios aaaaaaahhhhhh
22:25 Latios Seeya in a bit
22:25 bubbles byee
Quote from: Bubbles on August 03, 2015, 07:27:59 PM21:58 bubbles and its all based on that leoman can actually negate the double vote
21:59 bubbles bc brawler said it might not
Quote from: Brawler4Ever on August 03, 2015, 06:55:38 PM18:33 Brawler4Ever (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
18:33 Brawler4Ever you're right
18:34 Brawler4Ever "beginning of the next night phase"
18:34 Brawler4Ever I had read it as just "next phase"
It turns out that my power does stop the double vote. Sorry about that!
I THINK THAT I'VE GOT IT!
Let's start with the most simple scenario: I am a wolf and nobody was negated on Day 3.
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If nobody was negated, BDS would need 5 total votes to be lynched (out of 8 possible votes). With FA, fank, me, and Bubbles, this would be reached. It doesn't matter who of us was the double-vote wolf. Dudeman is Shellmon and I should be lynched. I'm trying to think of anything else that could be said here, but nothing comes to mind. Like I said, this one is simple. :P
Dudeman is the Psychic wolf and fank is Betamon:
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I negate Dudeman's power on Night 3. His power does not activate that Night or Day 3. BDS would need 5 total votes to be lynched (out of 8 possible votes). With FA, fank, me, and Bubbles, this would be reached. However, fank said that there was one blue left. So it would appear that the Psychic Ability activated. I find this to be the least likely of these scenarios.
Dudeman is Betamon and fank is the Psychic Wolf:
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I negate Dudeman's power on Night 3. His power does not activate that Night or Day 3. BDS would need 4 people voting for him to be lynched (out of 7). With FA, fank, me, and Bubbles, this would be reached. fank mentioned that there was one blue left. This would mean that he was the Psychic. From what I can tell, everything fits.
Am I missing anything?
Scenario 2 could be possible because Dudeman could have gotten the number of blues on night 2 and just counted up to day 3. If he was told there were 2 blues he could have just subtracted Olimar and BDS after they died (and not needed the update on night 3)
Ok what about this. I claim blue (sUrPrIsE!!) If Brawler is Leomon and fank had contact with the wolf psychic, why did he say there was only one blue left in the game?
I was assuming that he was referring to me (fank's point: not a vigi, thus we were hopeless).
Bubbles, at the end of which phase did you become Agumon? Fank has it as the end of Day 3 / beginning of Night 4. Is that correct?
I turned blue and have been blue since the end of night 2
Okay, thank you.
When I turned into Leomon, it was at the end of Night 2. I didn't have the option to negate anyone's power during that phase. Did you have the ability to vigi anyone during Night 2, Bubbles? I'm thinking that the answer is no.
Quote from: Bubbles on August 03, 2015, 09:28:49 PMScenario 2 could be possible because Dudeman could have gotten the number of blues on night 2 and just counted up to day 3. If he was told there were 2 blues he could have just subtracted Olimar and BDS after they died (and not needed the update on night 3)
This wouldn't be correct then. The wolf Psychic wouldn't have known how many blues there were during Night 2. I negated Dudeman during Night 3, and if he is the Psychic, he wouldn't have the number of blues, and he wouldn't get them until after fank mentioned that there was one blue left (i.e. at the end of Night 4, when fank was already dead). So if Dudeman is the Psychic, then fank only would have known about me being blue when he died.
If FANK was the Psychic, then that's a completely different train of thought that I need to figure out. :P
I rethought that and realized that it can't be true either. The wolf psychic also evolved at the end of night 2, meaning that during night 2 they did not have their psychic abilities. Basically, if dudeman is the psychic wolf he never should have gotten any info until night 4 (and was never able to tell fank anything)
Davy, if the wolf psychic evolves at the end of a night phase do they still get the color reading for that night (even though they technically weren't a psychic that phase)
Quote from: Bubbles on August 04, 2015, 10:31:44 AMI rethought that and realized that it can't be true either. The wolf psychic also evolved at the end of night 2, meaning that during night 2 they did not have their psychic abilities. Basically, if dudeman is the psychic wolf he never should have gotten any info until night 4 (and was never able to tell fank anything)
Davy, if the wolf psychic evolves at the end of a night phase do they still get the color reading for that night (even though they technically weren't a psychic that phase)
If Kunemon digivolves into Kuwagamon during the night he is not told the number of blues in the game. If Kuwagamon digivolves into HerculesKabuterimon during the night he is only told the number of blues in the game and not the role names.
Nice. So dudeman couldn't have been the psychic if fank knew how many blues remained. Dudeman was never told how many blues there was (and if he was, there would have been 2 anyway). If brawler or fank was the psychic, they would have been told that two remained N3, then subtracted BDS when he was lynched to leave one.
Fank didn't make that statement until the othe wolf has already claimed to him, so it's impossible to tell whether he got his information from the other wolf or Davy.
The partners are either:
Fank (psychic), Dudeman (x2 vote)
Fank (x2 vote), Brawler (psychic)
Fank (psychic), Brawler (x2 vote)
This is what the end of Night 3 looked like.
Quote from: davy on August 01, 2015, 04:00:55 AM1. Olimar12345
2. Latios212
3. Fank009
4. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer
6. Dudeman
7. FireArrow
8. Dude
9. NocturneOfShadow
10. Bubbles
If Fank was the phsychic, he would have seen either 2 or 3 blues. My color is purple because I'm claiming to be blue, but that's disputed. Everybody else is claiming to be green at the end of Night 3, and that doesn't affect the results of the Psychic, so their color above remains unchanged. BDS died on Day 3, removing one number from Fank's total.
And this is where things get complicated.
Let's assume that I am the wolf:
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In this case, Fank sees that there's two blues on Night 3. BDS dies, leaving one blue behind. Latios wouldn't become a blue until the end of the phase in which Fank made this announcement, so it's not possible for Fank to be referencing Latios. Dudeman would be Shellmon and I would be a wolf. The only explanation was that he was referencing Bubbles, but he didn't know that Bubbles was the vigi. Since Bubbles was the vigi, Fank died.
If Dudeman is the wolf:
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Fank would see that there are 3 blues remaining on Night 3. BDS dies, leaving just me and Bubbles. Knowing that Latios couldn't be a wolf, fank knew that both Bubbles and I were the blues. At this point, Fank lies about his results in order to create confusion. By saying that there's only 1 blue remaining, it undermines my claim while proving Dudeman's. If Bubbles turned out to be the vigi, Fank's word would be used against me, since Bubbles was obviously the only blue present at the time of Night 3.
I have more to say, but I'm unable to say it right now. I don't believe that it's out of the question that Fank never had the results of the Psychic, so it's entirely possible that Dudeman could be the Psychic. Hence his "you have one blue left."
I'll finish my thoughts as soon as I can.
Of the many possible scenarios, I believe that the most likely scenario is that Fank is the Psychic, and Dudeman is Betamon. Nothing feels right about Fank's "farewell." It's hard to tell if he was taunting us or inviting us to vigi him. From what I can see, he knew that if a vigi was alive, he should be targeted, rather than Betamon. So he made it impossible for the vigi not to hit him.
Still processing but on chat for when the time comes.
Dudeman, Brawler, yoohoo, we're in chat now.
Another point against Brawler for when you wake up Latios:
During the Day 2 lynch (when Dude was lynched), the x2 wolf vote was in play. The wolf who just got that power from evolving the night before would have to play carefully and not create an insta that would give themselves away. Brawler voted for Dudeman at first, (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299754#msg299754) but then ended up removing his vote quickly after (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299756#msg299756) and never placing another one at all for the rest of the phase. It's not a strong case, but that would be the smart move for a wolf who wasn't trying to get blamed for an unintentional insta
I mentioned this in the chat too, but I'll say it again (since I think we lost the log). Of the two of them, whichever was the wolf wouldn't want to lynch their partner immediately. As soon as the human of the duo was lynched, it would be plainly obvious who the real wolf was and basically seal their death (i.e. what happened with fank). Dudeman voted for Brawler both phases (except when he switched to fank at the end of last phase), while Brawler only voted for Dudeman once which he quickly removed. The human of the two would be pushing as hard as they could to lynch the other player because they know that they're the real wolf
Woo boy this is going to be a nightmare to type out on my phone so bear with me.
Point 1: I see what you're getting at but we were nowhere close to an insta on Dudeman Brawler was the first one to vote and it seems he retracted it because of Jiji claiming (there wasn't really any way to know that that was going to happen so it really doesn't look like he was planning to retract it)
Give me a bit to lose some sleep over point 2 [emoji14]
Quote from: Dudeman on August 02, 2015, 11:22:16 AMFank. BDS has won me over.
These couple of posts sure don't seem to me like "pushing hard to lynch Brawler". On the contrary, it just seems like a go-with-the-flow kind of attitude, as in the first case he was just following Brawler's logic about them making a case against each other (looks like Brawler was the one to call out Dudeman first)
I can't read every single post right now, but wasn't Dudeman the only one besides BDS to vote for Fank? If so there was never any real danger in his partner being lynched and he could easily have just voted Fank for human points later on.
Aww gee I'm sorry it looks like I'm disregarding your posts :c but the more I look into it the wolfier Dudeman seems. Thoughts?
I took off my vote from Dudeman because I wanted us to come to a unified decision. In the context of the day, we had just lost noc, FA, and Latios the Night before. Us killing Dudeman would have killed one wolf, but it would have created 2 more, if the vigi was active that Night. Unfortunately, the thread was so discombobulated that we never came to a direct conclusion, even though FA tried (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299805#msg299805). I would also like to note that this is the first time that Dudeman even recognizes that I'm his rival. I had clearly pointed it out earlier (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299754#msg299754), but he seems not to have seen it. Incredibly convenient for somebody that doesn't want himself noticed. Although, he's perfectly fine with my lynch a few posts later (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299807#msg299807), because it would mean my death rather than his. And yet you blame me for "not wanting to lynch my partner."
In terms of my BDS vote, I believed that Olimar was a wolf for most of the game. That changed when Olimar died and flipped blue. Lynching BDS was, in my opinion at the time, the same as lynching Dudeman. The difference was that BDS already had 2 people voting against him (FA and Fank, both of whom I considered human at the time) by the time that I could see the thread (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300265#msg300265) (I was on my way to my sister's house in California, where I am now). Why would I push for a Dudeman lynch when a BDS lynch is just as reasonable? I had already made my observation clear to the thread that I knew that Dudeman was a wolf. But it was his word against mine; I had no other evidence against him. And the way that BDS was playing, I saw no reason for him not to be a wolf. Both you and FA agreed with my reasoning, even if not explicitly. You both chose BDS because he was the more likely to be a wolf. The only person (besides BDS) that didn't vote for BDS was Dudeman. And why was that?
He makes an unnecessary note that he is, in fact, human (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300245#msg300245). He ignores everything that everybody had been saying to go after me, even though BDS has 3 votes against him and there's no reason why either Dudeman or I would be lynched that phase (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300288#msg300288). And then there's this (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300298#msg300298). My reply to whatever that was (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300303#msg300303). He has more posts about him being human than either BDS or Fank being a wolf during this whole ordeal (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300317#msg300317). And then he finally votes for Fank, stating that BDS won him over (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300350#msg300350).
If Dudeman claimed to Fank just before his final post during that phase, it wouldn't surprise me if it was Fank's idea for Dudeman to vote for him. Actually, I find it more likely that Fank figured out that Dudeman was the wolf. But it doesn't matter. Dudeman didn't participate in the discussion at all, yet somehow wants to convince us that BDS "won him over." I'm not buying it. Fank told Dudeman to vote for him (Fank) because Fank knew it to be a safe vote. BDS was dead anyway. It was 3v1 at the time, making it 3v2. Even if Bubbles voted against Fank, it wouldn't be uncalled-for for Dudeman to change his vote afterwards. Fank was never in any danger that phase, and Dudeman has gained a great deal of human points by not voting against BDS, even though he gave no reasoning to vote at all. Just, "BDS won me over."
Dudeman has one central theme throughout this entire game: self-preservation. Everything that he has done has been to keep himself out of the spotlight. He has given very few, if any, original thoughts. He has never explained any of his reasoning for his votes other than, A) This is what everybody else is doing, so I'll do it too OR B) no reasoning, just vote. His actions against me have been paltry, at best. He has been in it for himself, and himself alone, since the word, "go." This seems to me like the mindset of a wolf that doesn't want to accidentally kill his partner.
I've been active in chat and in the thread this entire game, trying to help the humans (i.e. come up with strategies (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299437#msg299437) and look at the big picture (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299568#msg299568)). I've been giving speculation (see my pm to you and latios during Night 2 about the wolves potentially wolfing a blue) and fully explaining all of my reasoning (see my vote against BDS (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg300265#msg300265)). This way, if I made a mistake (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299522#msg299522) (which has been common this game, since it's incredibly complicated) somebody would be able to correct me (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7325.msg299525#msg299525). I've done the same and corrected other players as needed. This has happened several times throughout this game.
Very well done, Brawler. Excellent detective work. There's no doubt that you've been looking very hard into my actions. If I may say so, maybe a little too hard. Remember a little thing we struggled with last game called Confirmation Bias?
I'd suggest not twisting your facts to suit theories.
Just so you guys know, I have been actively reading your deliberations on my humanity, so I'm not ignorant about what's going on. I just have nothing significant to contribute to the discussion. What's done is done.
A WILD DUDEMAN APPEARS!!
... and he just sits there.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 05, 2015, 08:50:26 AMI just have nothing significant to contribute to the discussion.
Nothing at all?
I can't tell if you're angry or busy or just don't care or what
Quote from: Dudeman on August 05, 2015, 08:50:26 AMVery well done, Brawler. Excellent detective work. There's no doubt that you've been looking very hard into my actions. If I may say so, maybe a little too hard. Remember a little thing we struggled with last game called Confirmation Bias?
I'd suggest not twisting your facts to suit theories.
Just so you guys know, I have been actively reading your deliberations on my humanity, so I'm not ignorant about what's going on. I just have nothing significant to contribute to the discussion. What's done is done.
Except that this isn't confirmation bias. Confirmation bias is us going after Mashi because we
wanted him to be a wolf, even in the face of evidence that he wasn't. This isn't an issue of me
wanting you to be a wolf. It is literally impossible for both of us to be human; I've known that since Day 2. Every argument that I've had with you since then has been a direct result of that knowledge. But if you want to call that confirmation bias, go right ahead.
Quote from: Dudeman on August 05, 2015, 08:50:26 AMI just have nothing significant to contribute to the discussion. What's done is done.
....what? This phase is one of the most important ones of the game and you have...nothing to say? Maybe try a little harder to think of something to, I don't know, prove you're innocent?
Brawler, I'm not so sure I agree that fank and Dudeman would have been in contact before the day phase ended, but I agree with everything else. It looks like I'm just going back to my original opinion on this whole thing: if you and fank really are the wolves you deserve to win a hell of a lot more than the humans do.
Latios I'm not sure if you're going to be online again but Ill wait and vote in 2-3 hours
I'll take lunch soon but I can't really actively chat since I'm on my phone, just post.
I'm on the verge of voting Dudeman, though.
Quote from: Latios212 on August 05, 2015, 08:55:56 AMNothing at all?
I can't tell if you're angry or busy or just don't care or what
Is there something you'd like me to say? I'm neither angry nor busy, but I figured since the discussion is currently about my role, I would let you guys go at it and wait for your verdict before I respond. Any posts before a verdict has been reached are jumping the gun and may be interpreted as anxious.
ninja'd x2
Quote from: Bubbles on August 05, 2015, 09:10:34 AMMaybe try a little harder to think of something to, I don't know, prove you're innocent?
Because, you know, I can just magically wave my hands and prove my innocence. What new data could I have to bring to the table at this point? All of my actions have been analyzed to death already.
You know what, I'll go ahead and make a comprehensive counter-argument this afternoon. I'm leaving for work in a few and don't have time to formulate my thoughts right now.
No rush, but the phase does end in a few hours....
Quote from: Dudeman on August 05, 2015, 09:19:17 AMBecause, you know, I can just magically wave my hands and prove my innocence. What new data could I have to bring to the table at this point? All of my actions have been analyzed to death already.
You know what, I'll go ahead and make a comprehensive counter-argument this afternoon. I'm leaving for work in a few and don't have time to formulate my thoughts right now.
Not analyzed by you. Your perspective is unique and regardless of your team you should be wanting to contribute right now
Tentative vote on Dudeman.
Bubbles, ya with me?
I am! Dudeman
TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar123452. Latios212
3. Fank0094. Brawler4Ever
5. BlackDragonSlayer6. Dudeman7. FireArrow8. Dude9. NocturneOfShadow10. Bubbles
Replacements:
1 mariolegofan
Dudeman was lynched. He was green. It's now Night 5. Night 5 will end August 6th 2:00PM PST/3:00PM MST/4:00PM CST/5:00PM EST/11:00PM CET/August 6th 10AM in New Zealand
Gg everybody! :D
......>_>
Don't care. Worth it! xD
Quote from: Dudeman on July 25, 2015, 05:33:05 PM16:43 Brawler4Ever I have a feeling that RNG is going to win this game
16:43 Brawler4Ever regardless of what actually happens
I wolf Bubbles. Bubbles vigi's me. Latios wins. DID I CALL IT OR WHAT?!?!?!?!
I have only myself to blame. GG Brawler.
*dead*
I knew it lol. There was too much against brawler and his responses weren't cutting it for me. You deserve to win though
I'M SORRY BUBBLES
Don't be!! I changed my mind (even though I didn't have time to vote)
Could we just speed up the phase once everyone puts in their power pm's?
I would be fine with the phase being sped up. There's nothing more that I can do at this point. :P
(psssst! Bubbles! vigi Latios! You know you want to!)
If you want Latios dead why don't you wolf him
.......
Ending this early because all actions have been sent in, there is no use to further prolong the game, and I have plans for this evening.
TWG LXXXII: File IslandSpoiler
In this game the color of a player's role is always representive for his team (in which wolves are red and humans are green and blue. Green humans are told they are a data digimon).
In-Training Digimon:
Koromon
Tsunomon
Tokomon
Tanemon
Rookie Digimon:
Agumon (Digivolves from Koromon, vigi, cannot vigi during the first night phase since he has digivolved into this role, and cannot vigi during the first night phase of the game.)
Gabumon (Digivolves from Koromon)
Elecmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Penguinmon (Digivolves from Tsunomon)
Patamon (Digivolves from Tokomon)
Biyomon (Digivolves from Tokomon, guardian, if he guards a player, he cannot use his powers during the next night phase if he is still Biyomon.)
Palmon (Digivolves from Tanemon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Betamon (Digivolves from Tanemon, a normal wolf)
Kunemon (Any In-Training digimon digivolving at the end of the Day phase has a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon, a normal wolf)
Champion Digimon
Greymon (Digivolves from Agumon, vigi)
Garurumon (Digivolves from Gabumon, whenever he is targeted by a power, there is a 25% chance that the power won't work and the player who targeted him will die)
Leomon (Digivolves from Elecmon, Can send the host a name of a player during the night phase and that players power will be negated untill the beginning of the next night phase. If he does, he cannot activate his power during the next night phase.)
Shellmon (Digivolves from Penguinmon)
Angemon (Digivolves from Patamon, seer)
Birdramon (Digivolves from Biyomon, Guardian)
Vegiemon (Digivolves from Palmon, Whenever he dies, the player that caused his death, or the player that voted for him last cannot activate his power untill two phases after he died).
Seadramon (Digivolves from Betamon, Charismatic wolf, vote counts for 2)
Kuwagamon (Digivolves from Kunemon, wolf psychic (is told the number of blues currently in the game at the end of the night phase).
Numemon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Numemon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Sukamon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Sukamon, is told he is a Data Digimon. If Sukamon knows he is a Sukamon, he can PM the host to turn him back into his Rookie form. If the host receives such a PM while the player sending it is not Sukamon, the host is allowed to tell that player that he or she is not Sukamon.)
Nanimon (Any rookie digimon that has at least been reborn once will have a 5% chance of digivolving into Nanimon, is told he is a Data Digimon)
Ultimate Digimon
MetalGreymon (Digivolves from Greymon, wolf vigi)
WereGarurumon (Digivolves form Garurumon, Whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will be negated and WereGarurumon will use that power against the player that targeted him instead. However, he cannot post in the tread, nor vote, nor PM, nor be able to speak in the chat. After four phases he'll die and always (even if Jijimon is dead) be reborn as an In-Training digimon)
Mamemon (Digivolves from Leomon. Can PM the host in order to be modified)
MetalMamemon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, can target one player each night phase, that player's power cannot be activated untill the next day phase)
Giromon (Has a 50% chance of being modified from Mamemon, whenever he is targeted by a power, that power will fail and that player will lose his power untill he digivolves or dies).
Andromon (Digivolves from Angemon, role seer, instead of recieving the color of the player he seer'd he recieves the role of the player he seer'd).
Devimon (An Angemon that dies has a 50% of being reborn as a Devimon, wolf shaman)
Phoenixmon (Digivolves from Birdramon, Double Guardian (Can guard two players during the night phase)
Megaseadramon (Digivolves from Seadramon, vote counts for 3)
HerculesKabuterimon (Digivolves from Kuwagamon, is told the role names of all the blues currently in the game at the end of each night phase).
Monzaemon (Digivolves from Numemon, Is told the role of any player who dies, and any role they become after dying.)
Etemon (Digivolves from Sukamon, at the beginning of each night phase, he will be told the name of a current wolf).
Digitamamon (Digivolves from Nanimon)
Vademon (Any Champion Digimon digivolving has a 10% chance of digivolving into Vademon, a normal wolf)
Mega Digimon
Machinedramon (Digivolves from Digitamamon, wolf vigi, can vigi up to 2 times per night phase)
Jijimon (Does not digivolve, as long as he is alive any digimon that dies (exept for himself) will be reborn as a random In-Training digimon (this power cannot be negated). Any living player may PM Jijimon if they want to be immidiately reborn, together with the digimon the want to be reborn into. If Jijimon recieves such a PM he may forward it to the host to grant such a request. Jijimon may do so once per two phases.)
The game will start with the following players:
Agumon
Gabumon
Elecmon
Penguinmon
Patamon
Biyomon
Palmon
Betamon
Kunemon
Jijimon
Wolves do not know eachother.
If multiple wolfings are sent, then the first one will take place.
This game will use card flipping.
If a player dies and is reborn, it will be posted in the end of the phase update.
If a player survived an attempt to kill, that will be posted in the end of the phase update as well.
If a player dies, the cause of death will not be posted in the end of the phase update.
DIGIVOLVING
After being an In-Training digimon for one phase you will digivolve into a Rookie digimon.
After being a Rookie digimon for 3 phases you will digivolve into a Champion digimon.
After being a Champion digimon for 5 phases you will digivolve into an Ultimate digimon.
After being a Digitamamon for 5 phases you will digivole into Machindramon.
In-Training digimon have 2 digivolved forms. They have a 50% chance of digivolving in eighter of them (25% when digivolving at the end of the day phase, because then there is a 50% chance of digivolving into Kunemon).
The chance of digivolving into a digimon whose description says: (Digivolves from: ...) is equal to 100%-(the chance of digivolving into any other digimon possible).
Wolves win when all players still alive in game are Wolves
Humans win when there are no wolves at the start and the end of the same night phase.
Players may not make any action that will hurt their current team. If any player makes an action that might hurt/seems to be hurting his or her team that player should PM me the reason for doing so. I may request such a PM for any action at any time.
Obviously, this doesn't count for Numemon, Sukamon and Nanimon, because they don't know on which team they are.
1. Olimar123452. Latios212
3. Fank0094. Brawler4Ever5. BlackDragonSlayer6. Dudeman7. FireArrow8. Dude9. NocturneOfShadow10. BubblesReplacements:
1 mariolegofan
Brawler4Ever and Bubbles died. Brawler4Ever was red, Bubbles was blue.
Wolves Win