Submission Information:
Series: Super Mario
Game: New Super Mario Bros. U
Console: Wii U
Title: Overworld Theme
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: skiaak (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4688)
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READY FOR THE UPDATERS!!!This is for reference only.
I am currently fixing it up for you.....hang tight!
What do you mean by "fixing it up"?
Lol are you joking?
Sorry if that sounded rude, he's just editing it for you and making some minor changes! Well done btw!
I reuploaded the PDF file, as I actually uploaded the MID as the PDF file. Anyway, now you can download the sheet music. Also enjoy!
Quote from: ThatGamer on August 27, 2015, 01:53:10 PMLol are you joking?
Sorry if that sounded rude, he's just editing it for you and making some minor changes! Well done btw!
You don't have to post in every topic, Thatgamer.
Anyway, here is the .mus with a few tweaks.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ez6rr6jd8ooni0y/New%20Super%20Mario%20Bros.%20U%20-%20Overworld%20Theme.mus?dl=0
What I did:
-Added a few notes here and there. I also filled in most of the chords.
-Fixed up some accidentals.
-Changed the layout a little bit to make it cleaner.
-Fixed a lot of the note beaming
-And more!
Tell me what you think and if you need a PDF or Midi :)
I can't view it, as I don't have Finale. It would be appreciated if you could make it a MIDI or PDF, even better MSCZ.
Dang. Even the MIDI file here us corrupt. Now you can download it. :)
Ninja'd thrice.
Quote from: mariolegofan on August 27, 2015, 02:22:10 PMYou don't have to post in every topic, Thatgamer.
A bit blunt, but he does have a good point, ThatGamer. Remember what we said about not posting so often.
Also, MLF, don't just go into these topics and say "I'm going to fix this for you" and say nothing else. Perhaps give feedback, or tell them what they can do to fix it? If you just fix everything, they'll never know what was wrong.
If anything, you might want to ask before you edit if it's OK to edit the file. I know even I am, to an extent, picky about who edits my files.
[Some unnecessary and angry bullshit deleted from here]
Some notes to the OP about the arrangements: First off, here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hbdugcjxvvhyrmu/%22Overworld_Theme%22.mscz?dl=0) is a .mscz file of it.
Second, despite my nagging in this post, the changes MLF made are, indeed, mostly correct. Well, as far as accidentals and beaming go, anyway. I'll try to explain his changes:
-There's a lot of chromatic movement in this piece. An example is the end of measure 3, and beat 2 of measure 4. Just quick passages where a note moves chromatically to another note. In general, with chromatic passages like these, the best way to notate it is to have descending passages marked by flats, and ascending pages marked with sharps. For instance, MLF changed your chromatic line in m. 7 to be A-Ab-G, instead of the A-G#-Gnat that you had notated. This is a correct change. You kind of want your accidentals to be following in the direction of motion.
-In general (though there are definitely exceptions), the type of accidental used should line up with other accidentals. For instance, in measure 6, you have an Eb and C represented in the right hand against a G# in the left hand. This doesn't really line up with what the chord sounds like, first of all (it's a major chord, albeit not one as often seen in the key of C; by contrast, C-Eb-G# is like some kind of augmented fifth chord that doesn't really "exist"), and second of all, on beat 3, it resolves to a G-major chord. There aren't as many times that you'll see a chord with G# in it "resolving" to something with G-nat as you will here (not without it being like a diminished chord, anyway, which this isn't; it's major -> major) On the other hand, Ab over G# creates the chord Ab-C-Eb, which is a clear-cut major chord, and all three of those notes resolve perfectly and in the same way to the G-B-D triad that follows on beat 3.
-Finally, beaming: In almost any type of music, when it comes to beaming, your goal is to have every single beat (in this case, since it's in 4/4, that's 4 beats) have its start and end clearly defined. Even if it means you have to tie some stuff in a weird way (as MLF did), it's easier to play if you can see where the note crosses into a new beat. I can't really illustrate this very well, but if you compare what you did to the MLF arrangement, I think you'll see that every measure has 4 distinct beats that sometimes have ties connecting them.
The formatting looks kinda weird, but I like the song.
Sorry guys. I was in a hurry.....you don't have to worry about me again though.
And there is the straw that broke the camel's back.
Quote from: Altissimo on August 27, 2015, 03:13:37 PM...
Whoa there. Olimar already stated it clearly and concisely; there's no need to slam MLF with a text wall like that. He's only trying to help! He gets the point. No need to word everything so harshly; practice constructive criticism here around NSM. Everything could have been worded as a list of changes to MLF's modified file rather than paragraphs about what he did wrong.
Again, you're treating MLF like he's screwing up everything when he's trying his best to contribute. Show a little more kindness and respect.
All right, then, my apologies. I was trying to refrain from being super slammy in my post, and I didn't mean for it to come across that way, it just actually did frustrate me the way things happened. Sorry. I can delete it if you like.
(Also I thought I did use constructive criticism by going on to state the specific things MLF changed for the OP's sake??? :o Considering the problem wasn't that he made erroneous changes - except for the one - but the lack of description he used, a list of changes to his modified file wouldn't have ... helped any.)
I was in a hurry to get it done and did miss some things which I easliy could of caught if I looked through it again :/ I can give a more thorough description if you like?
I guess I shouldn't of rushed and should of finished it when I got home.....but it doesn't matter anymore.
I may have been too harsh. Inflammatory part of the post deleted.
That being said, I can't identify all of the changes between MLF's file and the original; I do think it'd be appreciated (by updaters, OP, and other people who compare the files) if MLF or someone else can make a comprehensive list of what has been changed in MLF's file. (Like "accidentals in m. 3, 4, 16" type stuff.)
That's not meant to be a jab - it is legitimately super helpful.
Ok.....I'll do it.
Quote from: Altissimo on August 27, 2015, 03:13:37 PM[Some unnecessary and angry bullshit deleted from here]
Some notes to the OP about the arrangements: First off, here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hbdugcjxvvhyrmu/%22Overworld_Theme%22.mscz?dl=0) is a .mscz file of it.
Second, despite my nagging in this post, the changes MLF made are, indeed, mostly correct. Well, as far as accidentals and beaming go, anyway. I'll try to explain his changes:
-There's a lot of chromatic movement in this piece. An example is the end of measure 3, and beat 2 of measure 4. Just quick passages where a note moves chromatically to another note. In general, with chromatic passages like these, the best way to notate it is to have descending passages marked by flats, and ascending pages marked with sharps. For instance, MLF changed your chromatic line in m. 7 to be A-Ab-G, instead of the A-G#-Gnat that you had notated. This is a correct change. You kind of want your accidentals to be following in the direction of motion.
-In general (though there are definitely exceptions), the type of accidental used should line up with other accidentals. For instance, in measure 6, you have an Eb and C represented in the right hand against a G# in the left hand. This doesn't really line up with what the chord sounds like, first of all (it's a major chord, albeit not one as often seen in the key of C; by contrast, C-Eb-G# is like some kind of augmented fifth chord that doesn't really "exist"), and second of all, on beat 3, it resolves to a G-major chord. There aren't as many times that you'll see a chord with G# in it "resolving" to something with G-nat as you will here (not without it being like a diminished chord, anyway, which this isn't; it's major -> major) On the other hand, Ab over G# creates the chord Ab-C-Eb, which is a clear-cut major chord, and all three of those notes resolve perfectly and in the same way to the G-B-D triad that follows on beat 3.
-Finally, beaming: In almost any type of music, when it comes to beaming, your goal is to have every single beat (in this case, since it's in 4/4, that's 4 beats) have its start and end clearly defined. Even if it means you have to tie some stuff in a weird way (as MLF did), it's easier to play if you can see where the note crosses into a new beat. I can't really illustrate this very well, but if you compare what you did to the MLF arrangement, I think you'll see that every measure has 4 distinct beats that sometimes have ties connecting them.
Thanks Altissimo for helping with that even though I was a butthead for not doing it myself. I would of but had to leave the second I posted it or I would of wrote a lot more about the arrangement.
And I want to make one thing
extremely clear to everyone on NSM, I really wanna help on submissions and truly want to make NSM a better place. I hope everyone can forgive me for what I did. Also, I think I understand everything about arranging very well except 1 thing: Accidentals, the only thing I need help with. So forgive me if I made a mistake in fixing your song regarding accidentals, Skiaak and everyone else that I've helped. I could use some help in understanding them if anyone would like to help me.
I'm sorry again everyone.....I guess I got a little carried away with this song. It's one of my favorite Mario songs. :P
Quote from: mariolegofan on August 27, 2015, 02:32:42 PMAnyway, here is the .mus with a few tweaks.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ez6rr6jd8ooni0y/New%20Super%20Mario%20Bros.%20U%20-%20Overworld%20Theme.mus?dl=0
What I did:
-Added a few notes here and there. I also filled in most of the chords.
-Fixed up some accidentals.
-Changed the layout a little bit to make it cleaner.
-Fixed a lot of the note beaming
-And more!
Tell me what you think and if you need a PDF or Midi :)
Thank you very much MLF. I really appreciate your help, and I will analyze your changes closely.
Quote from: Altissimo on August 27, 2015, 03:13:37 PM[Some unnecessary and angry bullshit deleted from here]
Some notes to the OP about the arrangements: First off, here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hbdugcjxvvhyrmu/%22Overworld_Theme%22.mscz?dl=0) is a .mscz file of it.
Second, despite my nagging in this post, the changes MLF made are, indeed, mostly correct. Well, as far as accidentals and beaming go, anyway. I'll try to explain his changes:
-There's a lot of chromatic movement in this piece. An example is the end of measure 3, and beat 2 of measure 4. Just quick passages where a note moves chromatically to another note. In general, with chromatic passages like these, the best way to notate it is to have descending passages marked by flats, and ascending pages marked with sharps. For instance, MLF changed your chromatic line in m. 7 to be A-Ab-G, instead of the A-G#-Gnat that you had notated. This is a correct change. You kind of want your accidentals to be following in the direction of motion.
-In general (though there are definitely exceptions), the type of accidental used should line up with other accidentals. For instance, in measure 6, you have an Eb and C represented in the right hand against a G# in the left hand. This doesn't really line up with what the chord sounds like, first of all (it's a major chord, albeit not one as often seen in the key of C; by contrast, C-Eb-G# is like some kind of augmented fifth chord that doesn't really "exist"), and second of all, on beat 3, it resolves to a G-major chord. There aren't as many times that you'll see a chord with G# in it "resolving" to something with G-nat as you will here (not without it being like a diminished chord, anyway, which this isn't; it's major -> major) On the other hand, Ab over G# creates the chord Ab-C-Eb, which is a clear-cut major chord, and all three of those notes resolve perfectly and in the same way to the G-B-D triad that follows on beat 3.
-Finally, beaming: In almost any type of music, when it comes to beaming, your goal is to have every single beat (in this case, since it's in 4/4, that's 4 beats) have its start and end clearly defined. Even if it means you have to tie some stuff in a weird way (as MLF did), it's easier to play if you can see where the note crosses into a new beat. I can't really illustrate this very well, but if you compare what you did to the MLF arrangement, I think you'll see that every measure has 4 distinct beats that sometimes have ties connecting them.
Thanks for providing such a detailed analysis. I will look over this carefully.
One more thing, Altissimo looked over it under great detail and found a couple other mistakes. Here is the PDF, MUS, and MIDI :)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ez6rr6jd8ooni0y/New%20Super%20Mario%20Bros.%20U%20-%20Overworld%20Theme.mus?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lej2pvs42blxrul/New%20Super%20Mario%20Bros.%20U%20-%20Overworld%20Theme.pdf?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oqxzf9jnae70nhl/New%20Super%20Mario%20Bros.%20U%20-%20Overworld%20Theme.mid?dl=0
We found 2 more accidental mistakes in measure 1 and 3. In measure 3, we changed the chord on beat 4.5 from flats to sharps and I also added a few courtesy accidentals.
Thanks a lot, mariolegofan. I really appreciate a lot. I'll edit the files in the OP.
That's what I'm here for! :)
Files in the OP edited.
@ mlf
You should make a tiny correction, just add your name Edited by: Mariolegofan. You helped out a lot on this sheet music, and you deserve some credit!
No, that's ok. I have plenty of sheets and I didn't do that many changes.
Okay then. Thanks for letting me know.
Actually, MLF, I have studied the modified version and have discovered some things I want to edit. Is it possible you could convert your MUS to a MUSICXML or MSCZ file (so I can edit it)?
Unfortunately, I don't know how to :/
Quote from: mariolegofan on August 28, 2015, 03:42:21 PMUnfortunately, I don't know how to :/
With Notepad, there should be an option under File > MusicXML > Export and you can then save it as an XML file. On a Mac, anyway, dunno about Windows
Could you quickly help me with that then, Altissimo?
Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Here's an XML:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ptr29hfxd887pix/New%20Super%20Mario%20Bros.%20U%20-%20Overworld%20Theme%281%29.xml?dl=0
I have updated the OP with new PDF and MIDI files. Here is an XML if someone could help me convert to MUS so I can update that, that would be great.
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=34785226595102653527
Thanks to Latios212 for helping me convert the XML to MUS! The MUS file in the OP has now been edited. Please enjoy! :)
Also thanks Altissimo for converting that MUS to XML so that I could edit it. :)
I just analyzed it again and found that I had forgot to put back some articulations. Later in the day, I will get back to work on this and then update this thread when I have updated the files.
Sorry. I'm away from the keyboard right now. When I get on I'll be happy to help if you wish. 👍
Actually it is really a few minor things. While I was editing it, I erased some of your articulations accidentally and never added them back. There's also some things besides that. I can fix these minor things, the only thing I need help on is to have somebody convert the XML (I will provide it) to MUS. Thanks though, for the offer. :)
MLF your link in your sig is broken
Updates done! The new files have been updated, please redownload them again if you want to! :)
Does anybody think the PDF is too small? Is it okay? Don't want to hurt your eyes trying to read it.
That size is absolutely fine.
Well then, this is all for the updaters! I see they've got quite a load of work dating from May, in fact.
Wow! So many submissions! This is already on the second page! Bumped for visibility for the next update.
Bumped for visibility.
Formatting is still a bit wonkey, so I copied everything over to our FREE TEMPLATE FILE! (Sponsor) (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=481.0)
I think it's okay now though:
[MUS] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/nsm/NSM%20subs/Overworld12345.mus) [Midi] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/nsm/NSM%20subs/Overworld12345.mid) [PDF] (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59554832/nsm/NSM%20subs/Overworld12345.pdf)
Let me know if you're okay with this version and I'll accept it.
Everything is okay. Thanks!
This submission has been accepted by Olimar12345 (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=83).
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