Submission Information:
Series: EarthBound
Game: EarthBound Beginnings
Console: Nintendo Entertainment System
Title: Comforting Sleep & Hotel Sleep
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Olimar12345 (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=83)
Hmm, I'm pretty sure Hotel Sleep is different...
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKwXhhmq.jpg&hash=fe792e3ce87bf9107cf659feaa20d4e4d157133e)
Imo this way it actually makes sense. Here you go the MUS in case you wanna take a listen. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/pvjtcum6e1wpl0c/%5BNES%5D%20-%20EarthBound%20Beginnings%20-%20Comforting%20Sleep-Hotel%20Sleep.mus?dl=0)
I considered that, but the melody sits better on the down beats imo.
Quote from: DonValentino on January 09, 2016, 03:01:42 AMHmm, I'm pretty sure Hotel Sleep is different...
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKwXhhmq.jpg&hash=fe792e3ce87bf9107cf659feaa20d4e4d157133e)
Imo this way it actually makes sense. Here you go the MUS in case you wanna take a listen. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/pvjtcum6e1wpl0c/%5BNES%5D%20-%20EarthBound%20Beginnings%20-%20Comforting%20Sleep-Hotel%20Sleep.mus?dl=0)
I second this.
That way may be more aesthetically pleasing, but doesn't sound correct at all.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 09, 2016, 06:58:15 AMThat way may be more aesthetically pleasing, but doesn't sound correct at all.
Your way doesn't sound correct at all to me, though.
Okay then, how about this: The weight of the line is less coherent in the way Don has displayed. The way you two imagine it, up-beats are given an absurd amount of emphasis, especially for a small jingle (and even more so when you compare it to the rest of the OST). Below I've drawn out how the weight emphasis works, and it always leaves you on an unsatisfying up-beat:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs11.postimg.org%2Fmwn956dn7%2Fimage.jpg&hash=0177a0428574f57733ff2185e1772d7d213307aa) (http://postimage.org/)
Now if we consider that tonal music revolves around "stress and release," or resolutions of harmonies and rhythms, the way I notated it will make more sense. This method always rhythmically resolves do a down-beat, rather than an up beat.
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs7.postimg.org%2F5p8m28aaz%2Fimage.jpg&hash=7f992b466260eca71ed68ab5e933d9d793ad642f) (http://postimage.org/)
I'm not trying to say that the way you two agree on can never occur or is impossible, but when the piece is as short as three seconds, the way I have notated it can be picked up much easier and makes more sense.
I honestly still don't see it that way, as much as I keep playing and replaying the song.
No matter how you put it, I cannot conceive the bass is off-beat. The way you suggest it is just incoherent and illogical to the ear.
Besides, if you pay attention to the last note, it's value is that of a half+quarter, not a dotted half. That can't be coincidence either. /:
Quote from: DonValentino on January 09, 2016, 10:56:39 AMNo matter how you put it, I cannot conceive the bass is off-beat. The way you suggest it is just incoherent and illogical to the ear.
^^^
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 09, 2016, 07:21:51 AMI'm not trying to say that the way you two agree on can never occur or is impossible, but when the piece is as short as three seconds, the way I have notated it can be picked up much easier and makes more sense.
I disagree; having an off-beat bass would make it harder to pick up.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 09, 2016, 07:21:51 AMOkay then, how about this: The weight of the line is less coherent in the way Don has displayed. The way you two imagine it, up-beats are given an absurd amount of emphasis, especially for a small jingle (and even more so when you compare it to the rest of the OST).
But that's not too uncommon to hear in video game music. I can't really follow your logic here.
Don and MSF are right in virtue that the last note of the piece lasts for exactly 5 beats. I think Olimar knows this however and is trying to say that he's slightly giving up accuracy in order to make it easier to sight read. This is especially important for something so short, as a jingle shouldn't be something you have to study.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 09, 2016, 12:06:19 PMeasier to sight read
Quote from: mastersuperfan on January 09, 2016, 11:03:46 AMI disagree; having an off-beat bass would make it harder to pick up.
What MSF said. Also aren't those quarters in RH supposed to be eighths
The way I have notated it is the way that I most effortlessly hear and perceive this piece. Having it start on the up beat of four is illogical and overcomplicates what should be a simple jingle. You guys are getting too worked up over the theory side of this.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 09, 2016, 01:31:19 PMHaving it start on the up beat of four is illogical and overcomplicates what should be a simple jingle.
What's so odd about that? I see that come up quite a bit.
I'm having a hard time even explaining what's odd about it in a manner that doesn't involve me simply saying "just listen to it lol."
But literally just listen to that melody omg
Quote from: FireArrow on January 09, 2016, 12:06:19 PMI think Olimar knows this however and is trying to say that he's slightly giving up accuracy in order to make it easier to sight read.
I don't think having bass notes on off-beats has ever improved the ability to sight-read something....
I can only ever hear the piece the way that Don and MSF have suggested; I've tried counting in the piece so that it starts on the down beat of four multiple times and my brain consistently corrects my counting to put the bass notes on the down beats.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 09, 2016, 01:41:39 PMBut literally just listen to that melody omg
A piece is both melody and accompaniment. I'm sure people could easily provide examples of a piece that could be interpreted as a certain rhythm if you only looked at the melody, but if you ignore the bass then you've lost a crucial portion of the piece.
Same goes for me too, no theory involved. It just "feels" not right.
I trust my ear and would rather not host what I feel is an incorrect or inaccurate arrangement, at the least by my standards. When I get home I'll switch this submisson out for something else.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 09, 2016, 01:53:14 PMI trust my ear and would rather not host what I feel is an incorrect or inaccurate arrangement, at the least by my standards. When I get home I'll switch this submisson out for something else.
You know, if everyone expected their sheet to be submitted by
their standards of accuracy, we'd be having a bad time.
I can hear the emphasis on the downbeat in the video, olimar's submission, and don's MUS.
So to me I would much rather play the one that's easier to read, but if olimar's is theoretically correct by putting the downbeat emphasis in the proper spot, that would lead me to believe I have no idea what I'm talking about
Quote from: Dudeman on January 09, 2016, 02:02:46 PMYou know, if everyone expected their sheet to be submitted by their standards of accuracy, we'd be having a bad time.
I guess it sucks that I have higher standards!