Submission Information:
Series: Other
Game: Fallout: New Vegas
Console: Multiplatform
Title: Begin Again
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Pianist Da Sootopolis (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4243)
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One of the few original songs in the game. Cheers!
I haven't forgotten, just been busy. I've managed to listen to the song, but haven't been able to properly analyze the sheet music yet. Once I finish my science hw, I'll analyze it.
E Gadd and I went over some note value stuff, and got it all beamed correctly.
OP is updated with the correct corresponding files.
EDIT: Also got rid of all the slurs in the LH and marked it "Sempre Legato", and added parenthesis around the shared G# in M. 2
I'd make the last system into a 2 measure-system. It looks very stretched out with only 1 measure on a system.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on March 13, 2016, 03:09:26 PMI'd make the last system into a 2 measure-system. It looks very stretched out with only 1 measure on a system.
I think you could also just shorten the system half way. Whichever works out best
Fixed the last page's system issues; I now have 3 systems; a standard 4 measure system, then a 3 measure system followed by a 2 measure system. Looks much better now.
I also fixed places where there were some missing measures.
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Quick suggestions while I'm still awake:
- Flip the bottom layer so stems face down, and top layer so stems face up. That way there's less confusion on which notes belong to which layer. (Measures 2 and 4.)
- Extend slurs to the last tied note. You have this done already in some places (like 1), but not others (like 17).
- What exactly are you trying to communicate with the cross-staff lines in 15? I'm confused, though it may just be that I'm tired.
- I'd suggest adjusting the measures per system past 16. 6 measures is far more cramped than the rest of page 1 and the last two systems have far too much space. Tweak to your liking.
- Just an organizational thing: you should name your files after the sheet title. PDF.pdf is redundant and it's impossible to know what sheet it is without opening it. (It gave me quite a hassle while going through multiple versions of your Groudon sheet lol.)
Quote from: Latios212 on April 03, 2016, 09:41:47 PMQuick suggestions while I'm still awake:
- Flip the bottom layer so stems face down, and top layer so stems face up. That way there's less confusion on which notes belong to which layer. (Measures 2 and 4.)
Fixed.
Quote- Extend slurs to the last tied note. You have this done already in some places (like 1), but not others (like 17).
This actually was the case in M. 17, but due to the slur being smushed in with the tie, it looked like one mark. Fixed.
Quote- What exactly are you trying to communicate with the cross-staff lines in 15? I'm confused, though it may just be that I'm tired.
The melody resolves to an A, then goes to a G sharp that is part of the accompaniment as well, albeit somewhat subtly (you have to listen for it a bit).
Quote- I'd suggest adjusting the measures per system past 16. 6 measures is far more cramped than the rest of page 1 and the last two systems have far too much space. Tweak to your liking.
Set the entire thing to 4. Not sure why I didn't do this before. Fixed.
Quote- Just an organizational thing: you should name your files after the sheet title. PDF.pdf is redundant and it's impossible to know what sheet it is without opening it. (It gave me quite a hassle while going through multiple versions of your Groudon sheet lol.)
This came about as a result of the way I organized the files on my computer, but I've changed it now for this sheet and will make sure to do so for all future sheets.
Thanks for the feedback! OP Updated.
Quote from: Latios212 on April 03, 2016, 09:41:47 PM- Extend slurs to the last tied note.
Check again; you have a bunch of other places where this doesn't happen. Also, try and be consistent with your slurs. You have some sixteenth notes slurred, and others not. Is there a reason why?
About m. 15: I don't hear the G# in the melody after a couple of listens but the thing that threw me off was that you still have the A on the top staff that's tied to beat 2. It's unclear if the melody is supposed to hold the A or descend to the G#.
Also this.
Quote from: Latios212 on April 03, 2016, 09:41:47 PMQuick suggestions while I'm still awake:
- Flip the bottom layer so stems face down, and top layer so stems face up. That way there's less confusion on which notes belong to which layer. (Measures 2 and 4.)
Checking these off as I go.
Quote from: Latios212 on April 05, 2016, 08:01:42 PMCheck again; you have a bunch of other places where this doesn't happen. Also, try and be consistent with your slurs. You have some sixteenth notes slurred, and others not. Is there a reason why?
Fixed both.
QuoteAbout m. 15: I don't hear the G# in the melody after a couple of listens but the thing that threw me off was that you still have the A on the top staff that's tied to beat 2. It's unclear if the melody is supposed to hold the A or descend to the G#.
Got rid of the tied "A".
QuoteAlso this.
I did..
M. 2:
Layer 1: Up
Layer 2: Down
M. 4:
Layer 1: Up
Layer 2: Down
Files have been updated accordingly.
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Lookin' pretty good
- You should be consistent with your ties and whatnot. For instance, there are more instances where a quarter (or eighth) note is tied to another quarter or eighth note in lieu of half/dotted quarter/regular quarter notes. In m3 and 11 for example, you do not
- I think you can just hide the last rest in m4
- Your ritardandos are at the bottom staff, and the railroad tracks and gliss at the end are out of place. I've never seen ritardandos at the bottom or railroad tracks in the middle, but if that happens then it's fine. The glissando should be in front though (and might be a little too long)
- Since the sheet itself isn't very crowded, if you want to make it look slightly neater, you could highlight every staff with 4 measures, right click -> edit measure attributes -> check change width. This is completely optional
Quote from: Zeila on April 27, 2016, 11:00:44 PMLookin' pretty good
- You should be consistent with your ties and whatnot. For instance, there are more instances where a quarter (or eighth) note is tied to another quarter or eighth note in lieu of half/dotted quarter/regular quarter notes. In m3 and 11 for example, you do not
The reason for M.3 was due to the second layer, which effectively shows beat three. Thanks for pointing that out though!
M. 11 was poorly written and has been fixed :)
Quote- I think you can just hide the last rest in m4
Fixed
Quote- Your ritardandos are at the bottom staff, and the railroad tracks and gliss at the end are out of place. I've never seen ritardandos at the bottom or railroad tracks in the middle, but if that happens then it's fine. The glissando should be in front though (and might be a little too long)
Not sure what you mean by 'railroad tracks'; assuming you mean the fermatas, those are the default positions and they don't seem wrong to me... The gliss. though, was wrong, and I've fixed it :)
Quote- Since the sheet itself isn't very crowded, if you want to make it look slightly neater, you could highlight every staff with 4 measures, right click -> edit measure attributes -> check change width. This is completely optional
Ooh that looks nice, thanks! I'm gonna keep that.
Other changes:
Adjusted the initial piano marking
Got rid of the superfluous As in the LH at M.17
Got rid of the unnecessary slur at the second to last measure, to make room for the glissando marking in front.
Extended some forgotten slurs (sorry, Lati!).
Files updated.
The proper musical term is called caesura, and it's still in the pdf. Think about it further, railroad tracks after a fermata might be redundant actually. It's located in between the staves at m13
Ohhhhhh! That's a mark indicating a pause or a breath (not a literal one, as with a musical instrument, but a musical breath, if you will).
Sorry for the long delay.
Ok, but I just wanted to clarify with the placement of it
What you have:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FoKdEN%2F653756a35a.jpg&hash=1b64cbad19349bbe54b5ec6091aa19188dd5287d)
What I've always seen:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FoKdQh%2F7b3571e287.jpg&hash=34e4c99cb11bb34bd8277fe423351b68f8f28fe1)
Note that I've never seen it in piano sheet music but rather for percussion (one staff), so I'm just guessing that it would be placed on two staves like a fermata would. Sorry if I'm overcomplicating this, and no worries about the late reply
Huh. I've only ever seen it the first way.
Any updaters want to chime in on this?
Quote from: Pianist Da Sootopolis on May 08, 2016, 03:17:21 PMHuh. I've only ever seen it the first way.
Any updaters want to chime in on this?
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This is a pretty cool song. I'm not at my computer at the moment, but when I do, I'll take a look.
Hey. Awesome piece!
Here is some feedback:
- About this:
Quote from: Zeila on May 07, 2016, 11:11:08 PMWhat you have:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FoKdEN%2F653756a35a.jpg&hash=1b64cbad19349bbe54b5ec6091aa19188dd5287d)
What I've always seen:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FoKdQh%2F7b3571e287.jpg&hash=34e4c99cb11bb34bd8277fe423351b68f8f28fe1)
Note that I've never seen it in piano sheet music but rather for percussion (one staff), so I'm just guessing that it would be placed on two staves like a fermata would. Sorry if I'm overcomplicating this, and no worries about the late reply
As Zeila said, "railroad tracks" or Caesura are used in percussion music. I've also seen them in orchestral music and some piano songs. That's how I originally learned them: through piano songs. Unfortunately, I've only dealt with these markings a handful of times and don't know too much about them; however, both of these images you showed look like they could be correct.
Personally, I would put two (like with fermatas) just to play it safe. Since fermatas and Caesura are relatively similar in action, I would put it the way Zeila demonstrated. Again, I'm not 100% sure. You would have to ask someone more knowledgeable in that area of expertise.
- M. 2, 4, and others like it where you have the 2 layers clashing.
Might be best to put them like this, so they don't clash. (M. 4 as an example)
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/twmuc7dd4z2zaza/Screenshot%202016-05-29%2013.32.33.png?dl=1)
- Also, with M. 4, I'm hearing this:
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmwy1hxl9x0p3p0/Screenshot%202016-05-29%2013.45.44.png?dl=1)
- I also hear this for M. 7 & 8. They're quiet, but they are there.
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/8iwal6om8h6373d/Screenshot%202016-05-29%2013.51.30.png?dl=1)
If you wish, you could put the A in the second layer and tie it to the 16ths. Whatever works for you!
- M. 17: For consistency, go ahead and put in the As in the left hand with parenthesis around them.
- M. 30: Something is up with the last measure. The notes seem to be hanging in the middle of the measure. Go ahead and delete them and put them back up. That should do the trick. I've had this same alignment problem before when using layers.
- Wikipedia titles the composer is Inon Zur, but in my experience, Wikipedia is sometimes wrong. Just thought I'd say that.
Again, excellent work with this song! Very pretty.
Just to add some clarity to what a caesura actually is and does, a caesura indicates a brief pause or silence in the musical passage. This differs from a fermata in that a fermata indicates that the area it encompasses (usually either a note or rest) be held longer than its stated value, originally conceived as the value plus half (ex: whole note (four beats in 4/4) with a fermata would be held for six beats) but nowadays can generally be held to the performers desire. Caesuras are generally used to insert space where there is none, being inserted BETWEEN notated figures such as notes, rests, or measures (although, if you have rests you could get the same effect by putting a fermata over a rest). Contrary to mlf's weird speculation, caesuras are not instrument or ensemble specific markings, being as normal of a tool for all musical compositions as say a time signature.
As for its placement: generally speaking, one caesura per instrument is sufficient enough, and their placement on the staff is more akin to the top staff in the second picture that Zeila provided. Similar to doubling fermatas in keyboard literature, it is not too uncommon to encounter the same for the caesura. Personally though, I think one on the upper-most staff would be sufficient.
Thank you for the clarification. I wasn't sure if two were required like fermatas, but yeah.
Two fermatas are not "required" for each hand of keyboard instruments unless each part is different.
Ah, ok. Now that I think about it, the only songs I've used fermatas in did have different parts in. Awesome, thanks.
I love learning new arranging/musical things : )
Quote from: Sebastian on May 29, 2016, 10:55:48 AM[caesura snip]
I'll be fixing this as per Olimar's suggestions.
Quote- M. 2, 4, and others like it where you have the 2 layers clashing.
Done!
Quote- Also, with M. 4, I'm hearing this:
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmwy1hxl9x0p3p0/Screenshot%202016-05-29%2013.45.44.png?dl=1)
Quote- I also hear this for M. 7 & 8. They're quiet, but they are there.
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/8iwal6om8h6373d/Screenshot%202016-05-29%2013.51.30.png?dl=1)
Fixed!
QuoteIf you wish, you could put the A in the second layer and tie it to the 16ths. Whatever works for you!
Not that big of a deal, so unless an updater really wants it, I won't worry about it.
Quote- M. 17: For consistency, go ahead and put in the As in the left hand with parenthesis around them.
For that specific measure, I think it would be a better idea to have the first A as a second voice that just lasts the whole bar in parenthesis. Either that or leave it; the constant clutter of parenthesized notes is annoying.
Quote- M. 30: Something is up with the last measure. The notes seem to be hanging in the middle of the measure. Go ahead and delete them and put them back up. That should do the trick. I've had this same alignment problem before when using layers.
I just realigned them by hand.
Quote- Wikipedia titles the composer is Inon Zur, but in my experience, Wikipedia is sometimes wrong. Just thought I'd say that.
The soundtrack for Fallout: New Vegas DLC Dead Money, provided by fallout.wikia.com, is where I obtained my list.
Thanks for all the input!
Quick note, New Vegas also came out on the PS3 and PC.
Fair, but I don't think that affects anything save for the submission title. Probably not worth editing the entire submission for, lol.
Thanks for mentioning it though, I'll remember to make note of that.
When sorting sheet music by console, this submission would be filed under "Xbox 360" rather than "Multiplatform." I would assume it's automated based on the submission. It's not anything major, but I'm pedantic when it comes to organizing files.
If it was simultaneously released for multiple consoles, then it should be [MUL]. If it came out on one console first and was later ported to other consoles, list the earliest entry the piece appears in.
Agreed. Is there anything else to fix with the submission?
Maybe, I haven't looked at it yet, but I'm looking at another arrangement right now, sorry! I was just popping in to help answer that question.
It's all good! Whenever you've got time, friend! :)
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Did I miss something, or are we just pretending that this song doesn't have lyrics?
Also, this:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on June 17, 2016, 08:04:27 PMIf it was simultaneously released for multiple consoles, then it should be [MUL]. If it came out on one console first and was later ported to other consoles, list the earliest entry the piece appears in.
My thought was that, since it was an instrumental score, that lyrics weren't really that necessary.
That said, plenty of lieder transcriptions and the like have lyrics on them, so if you all wanted I could add them.
Fixed the MUL title. Do we need lyrics?
I think it'd be pretty cool to have lyrics :P
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