Submission Information:
Series: Super Mario
Game: Super Mario Galaxy 2
Console: Nintendo Wii
Title: World S
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: TheMarioPianist (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4625)
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Well, I found this one in the request board and thought it wouldn't be that bad to arrange. And it wasn't, for the most part. The only tricky part was measures 21-27. Technically, most of the pitches are playable as performed, but I had to get creative in terms of notating it, including the use of an octave bass clef :P. I feel like there should be a way around that. Please feel free to especially critique that section as much as necessary, because I feel like that could use some work. Also, another potential weakness could be in articulations. I feel like I could have missed a couple staccatos and/or accents. Just wanted to point those things out since I felt they were probably my biggest concerns with the sheet. Let me know what I need to correct, and thanks for checking my sheet! :)
It sounds pretty good!
- Octave bass clefs aren't allowed. I guess you can return it to normal, and use more layers and/or LH markings. Or you could change it to treble clef and use 8vbs. Ik there are other potential conflicts, but if the tied whole note becomes an issue, I think you can just change the notehead so that it looks like a double whole note like in Bespinben's Lush Forest sheet (http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/2870) (that might only be allowed since he notated con pedale though)
- Why do you have staccatos in m12 and 15, but not 13?
- Maybe you can add slurs in the section from m21-28
- I think the 8va from m33-37 is unnecessary, and if you get rid of that, then you might be able to move the rest to it's standard position (or if not, then the default second layer position)
This piece is so amazing it inspired me to look through your arrangement note for note... I'll be done sometime this weekend.
Nice arrangement!
Measures 21-28: I feel like this parts differs from the previous part in being more soft and legato-esque. Maybe indicate this by writing something like "dolce e legato" or some slurs, or maybe maybe even write down some pedal marks.
Quote from: Zeila on April 28, 2016, 10:23:35 PMIt sounds pretty good!
- Octave bass clefs aren't allowed. I guess you can return it to normal, and use more layers and/or LH markings. Or you could change it to treble clef and use 8vbs. Ik there are other potential conflicts, but if the tied whole note becomes an issue, I think you can just change the notehead so that it looks like a double whole note like in Bespinben's Lush Forest sheet (http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/2870) (that might only be allowed since he notated con pedale though)
- Why do you have staccatos in m12 and 15, but not 13?
- Maybe you can add slurs in the section from m21-28
- I think the 8va from m33-37 is unnecessary, and if you get rid of that, then you might be able to move the rest to it's standard position (or if not, then the default second layer position)
Thanks! Here are my thoughts:
1. Treble clef with 8vb markings could work; I'll have to play with it. The notes don't fit on a normal bass clef, and I can't do cross staff because the treble clef above is 8va.
2. Because I forgot them, probably ;D. I'll check it out when I get home and make sure it wasn't intentional.
3. Good idea, will do!
4. Now that I look at it, an 8va wasn't really necessary. It actually makes it more complicated; I'll fix that.
Quote from: FireArrow on April 28, 2016, 10:52:59 PMThis piece is so amazing it inspired me to look through your arrangement note for note... I'll be done sometime this weekend.
Glad I picked an inspirational piece for you! Thanks for the help; I appreciate it! :D
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on April 29, 2016, 04:54:58 AMNice arrangement!
Measures 21-28: I feel like this parts differs from the previous part in being more soft and legato-esqu. Maybe indicate this by writing something like "dolce e legato" or some slurs, or maybe maybe even write down some pedal marks.
Thanks! I'll definitely make one of those changes to better emphasize the change in style.
Thanks again for all your help guys! I'll update this post sometime tonight once I make the changes.
Edit: I have made all of the changes except for putting slurs on 21-28. I still gotta play around with those to get the best look aesthetically.
Bump
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on April 29, 2016, 09:26:57 AM1. Treble clef with 8vb markings could work; I'll have to play with it. The notes don't fit on a normal bass clef, and I can't do cross staff because the treble clef above is 8va.
To substitute a octava bass clef, put in a note in text saying "play LH an octave lower than written" as I did on my Nimbasa City sheet.
Quote from: JDMEK5 on May 09, 2016, 08:19:08 AMTo substitute a octava bass clef, put in a note in text saying "play LH an octave lower than written" as I did on my Nimbasa City sheet.
Wow, I hadn't thought of that. That would look a lot nicer than 8vbs all the way through. Will add when I get the chance!
Sorry I got stuck in the land of AP testing
Quote from: FireArrow on May 10, 2016, 04:32:37 PMSorry I got stuck in the land of AP testing
Same :P
Quote from: JDMEK5 on May 09, 2016, 08:19:08 AMTo substitute a octava bass clef, put in a note in text saying "play LH an octave lower than written" as I did on my Nimbasa City sheet.
Ok, I've looked at this idea, and I like it, but I'm wondering if maybe using an 8vb with a treble clef (which is currently in the sheet) would be better, as using a note in text seems like something that would be used to replace almost a entire song's length of 8vas or 8vbs. Since this is only a seven measure segment, I'm thinking that an 8vb might suffice.
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on May 12, 2016, 05:40:31 PMOk, I've looked at this idea, and I like it, but I'm wondering if maybe using an 8vb with a treble clef (which is currently in the sheet) would be better, as using a note in text seems like something that would be used to replace almost a entire song's length of 8vas or 8vbs. Since this is only a seven measure segment, I'm thinking that an 8vb might suffice.
I'd just put a little note like JD suggested.
http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/2736
Your example still shows a note that refers to the whole song, not just a few measures. I don't see why using a note is necessary if I'd just have to add another one saying to stop it seven measures later. To me, it seems that a note would only be used when referring to and 8va/8vb section covering the majority or even the entirety of the song.
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on May 18, 2016, 07:14:53 PMYour example still shows a note that refers to the whole song, not just a few measures. I don't see why using a note is necessary if I'd just have to add another one saying to stop it seven measures later. To me, it seems that a note would only be used when referring to and 8va/8vb section covering the majority or even the entirety of the song.
You have an excellent point. I believe using an 8va/8vb will suffice.
Using 8vb with treble clef will drive most pianists insane.
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on May 12, 2016, 05:40:31 PMOk, I've looked at this idea, and I like it, but I'm wondering if maybe using an 8vb with a treble clef (which is currently in the sheet) would be better, as using a note in text seems like something that would be used to replace almost a entire song's length of 8vas or 8vbs. Since this is only a seven measure segment, I'm thinking that an 8vb might suffice.
This could get problematic and confusing. What I would do is just put another note saying to return to the written octave. It's a little unorthodox perhaps, but it saves any and all guesswork.
Quote from: Deku Trombonist on May 21, 2016, 01:08:48 AMUsing 8vb with treble clef will drive most pianists insane.
Quote from: JDMEK5 on May 21, 2016, 01:19:41 AMThis could get problematic and confusing. What I would do is just put another note saying to return to the written octave. It's a little unorthodox perhaps, but it saves any and all guesswork.
I see your point. I wasn't thinking about the confusion that could cause. I'll change it once I get on a computer.
Well, I did this way earlier today but forgot to upload the files. The 8vbs have been replaced with notes instead.
Edit: Just noticed something. In like 4 measures of that LH part, the notes go cross staff (although I didn't place them as cross staff notes in order to have playback sound correct). These are not meant to be played an octave lower than written. Should I have the note refer to the bass clef rather than the left hand, or what?
I don't even know how my sub got knocked off the first page in 2 days. I think that's a good thing? (For the site, anyway.) But I guess this is a 2 day bump. Seems short, but oh well.
I'm on summer so I'll have some stuff later tonight/tomorrow.
Writing a note is still the same as having the 8vb lines...
I have no idea why the right hand is written as 8va. Get rid of it and have the RH notated at pitch and that will free you up to have a LH that makes sense. 4 ledger lines isn't that hard to read and it's certainly preferable to the current confusion in the LH.
Quote from: Deku Trombonist on May 30, 2016, 04:55:01 PMWriting a note is still the same as having the 8vb lines...
I have no idea why the right hand is written as 8va. Get rid of it and have the RH notated at pitch and that will free you up to have a LH that makes sense. 4 ledger lines isn't that hard to read and it's certainly preferable to the current confusion in the LH.
Ok, I've deleted the 8va, but my question still remains:
Quote from: TheMarioPianist on May 27, 2016, 08:46:02 PMIn like 4 measures of that LH part, the notes go cross staff (although I didn't place them as cross staff notes in order to have playback sound correct). These are not meant to be played an octave lower than written. Should I have the note refer to the bottom clef rather than the left hand, or what?
I tried moving the notes into the bottom treble clef, but this led to 5 ledger notes at times. Is this ok? (Only mus and musx are updated.)
I think Deku means put the bottom staff in bass clef and cross-staff as necessary now that you don't have the 8va bothering you.
Quote from: Latios212 on May 30, 2016, 06:46:33 PMI think Deku means put the bottom staff in bass clef and cross-staff as necessary now that you don't have the 8va bothering you.
Took a look the commotion, hehe. Checked out your file, aaand I think this (Latios' idea) is probably the best way to get things done. :) Man, that's an insane countermelody.
OR. If somehow this is possible in Finale (i mean i'm a sibelius guy so idk if you can), consider using three staves~
I'm not joking, actually! :p The first example that comes to my head is Ravel's Miroirs last movement. The notation is quite tough but I think, at least for the seven bars or so, it should be at least an option~
It is also perfectly legit - in case you were wondering, haha - to change the number of staves in the middle of the piece. Rach's overplayed Prelude does that - two staffs to four. Eeyup.
If your software allows it and you know how to use it, I think using three staves is the best way to organise your music for those bars! Makes the melody crossing much more obvious too :)
Just a suggestion!
Quote from: Latios212 on May 30, 2016, 06:46:33 PMI think Deku means put the bottom staff in bass clef and cross-staff as necessary now that you don't have the 8va bothering you.
Ah, that would make so much more sense. My brain should have interpreted that better. Done.
Quote from: dajwxp on May 30, 2016, 06:51:31 PMTook a look the commotion, hehe. Checked out your file, aaand I think this (Latios' idea) is probably the best way to get things done. :) Man, that's an insane countermelody.
OR. If somehow this is possible in Finale (i mean i'm a sibelius guy so idk if you can), consider using three staves~
I'm not joking, actually! :p The first example that comes to my head is Ravel's Miroirs last movement. The notation is quite tough but I think, at least for the seven bars or so, it should be at least an option~
It is also perfectly legit - in case you were wondering, haha - to change the number of staves in the middle of the piece. Rach's overplayed Prelude does that - two staffs to four. Eeyup.
If your software allows it and you know how to use it, I think using three staves is the best way to organise your music for those bars! Makes the melody crossing much more obvious too :)
Just a suggestion!
I'm not gonna lie, I legitimately had this idea when I got to this part for the first time. I'll play around with it; I had originally figured that it wouldn't actually be feasible. We'll see what the updaters think about it.
Make sure the ties face the right way and look good. And the stems in the LH of bar 26-27 are also facing the wrong way.
So I made some changes to page 1 which mostly consists of cleaning up the R.H. by moving things to the left and correct a few wrong notes/missing notes. Maybe I'll do page 2 later idk.
[MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/n9nj27ub907tn0p/World%20S.mus?dl=0)
It's not done yet so there's a few things left for you:
- The R.H. still needs to play some of those notes in the bass clef to keep this playable. I didn't wanna decide for you how you wanted that notated. You could seperate the voices or have some L shaped lines or w/e.
-The seoncd E in measure 13 and the second D in measure need to be played by the L.H., notate that how you want.
-The highest voice in measure 11 (the reapeting E's that ascend at the end) presents both playability issues and voicing issues. It's really quiet in the original so it makes the bass sound different on piano. I'd reccomend removing it but you do what you want with it.
P.S. I didn't touch measures 1-4 and 17-20 so good job.
EDIT: about the who 8va thing, you can just put the "8va" expression with "loco" when the section ends. Pretty sure that's the same as putting an 8va on each hand.
i think that's just finale being dumb nvm
I'd also like to point out (in FA's version above) that this measure could use some attention.
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/1m9uztnpzczkm05/Screenshot%202016-06-02%2012.28.48.png?dl=1)
- There are quite a few clashing things on page 2.
- Also, the 8va should be closer to the hand it's bringing up an octave than the other system.
For example:
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/j8npfjdscuysruw/Screenshot%202016-06-02%2012.31.40.png?dl=1)
Yes, if he just copy pastes it without changing anything it won't end well. It's purposefully incomplete nor have I made any effort into making it look nice since he's fully capable of that himself.
Don't mind me just observing... darn I'm excited for when you guys get out all the weird notation kinks and finish it, this song is just so great (even if it does like mildly impossible at some parts :P) I just wanna play it so bad
Ok, sorry for the delay; I unexpectedly have been busy with multiple things since the school year ended. Anyway, here goes...
Quote from: Deku Trombonist on May 30, 2016, 08:20:55 PMMake sure the ties face the right way and look good. And the stems in the LH of bar 26-27 are also facing the wrong way.
Ties are fixed; no idea why I didn't see that before :P. As for the stems, I only saw the A on beat 3 of measure 26 as facing the wrong way. If more of them are wrong, could you point them out? Thanks!
Quote from: FireArrow on May 30, 2016, 09:34:07 PM1. So I made some changes to page 1 which mostly consists of cleaning up the R.H. by moving things to the left and correct a few wrong notes/missing notes. Maybe I'll do page 2 later idk.
[MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/n9nj27ub907tn0p/World%20S.mus?dl=0)
It's not done yet so there's a few things left for you:
2. The R.H. still needs to play some of those notes in the bass clef to keep this playable. I didn't wanna decide for you how you wanted that notated. You could seperate the voices or have some L shaped lines or w/e.
3. The seoncd E in measure 13 and the second D in measure 15 need to be played by the L.H., notate that how you want.
4. The highest voice in measure 11 (the reapeting E's that ascend at the end) presents both playability issues and voicing issues. It's really quiet in the original so it makes the bass sound different on piano. I'd reccomend removing it but you do what you want with it.
P.S. I didn't touch measures 1-4 and 17-20 so good job.
(I numbered all of your points so that I could address them individually below.)
1. I really do appreciate you moving all of those notes into the bass clef, as it allowed me to see the separate layers of this song much more clearly. However, you'll notice that I moved them back into the treble anyway. I completely understand why you separated them like you did, and I'm not saying it couldn't be done that way, but I approached it more like someone who was attempting to play this sheet. If I have to play a 2-4 note chord using only one hand, it would be much easier to read in one clef than in two (assuming that said chord does not take up a hideous amount of ledger lines). So although the bottom note(s) of those chords belong to the LH layer, I kept them in the RH to make it nicer on people trying to read the sheet. I did; however, keep the layers separate, so that it was clear that one was melody and one wasn't.
2. I think my response to point 1 clears this issue up.
3. I've currently done this with dashed lines, but if someone thinks there's a better way to do this, I'm all ears.
4. Yeah, I don't think those E's make enough of a difference to stay. They have been removed.
Quote from: Sebastian on June 02, 2016, 09:33:08 AM- There are quite a few clashing things on page 2.
- Also, the 8va should be closer to the hand it's bringing up an octave than the other system.
For example:
Spoiler
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/j8npfjdscuysruw/Screenshot%202016-06-02%2012.31.40.png?dl=1)
FA used an older version of the file; if you notice these clashes on page 2 no longer exist.
Thanks so much for the help guys; hopefully this thing has improved somewhat! ;D
Quote from: DS on June 02, 2016, 03:44:01 PMDon't mind me just observing... darn I'm excited for when you guys get out all the weird notation kinks and finish it, this song is just so great (even if it does like mildly impossible at some parts :P) I just wanna play it so bad
Yay, someone wants to play my sheet! I hope everything is very close to worked out myself!
I was thinking something along the lines of what Don did in his Canalave City would look more professional, but your way would still be easier to sight read so it's totally up to you.
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs33.postimg.org%2Fv5zvi3hbf%2FUntitled.jpg&hash=c0cec61489cf7fee6d51d09794b901f26fd8d9f0) (http://postimg.org/image/v5zvi3hbf/)
The way I see it, it should be clarity of intended execution here above showing which voice goes where. Not everyone picking up the sheet will necessarily need to know where the voices go, and if they do care enough they can probably figure it out. Ultimately keeping the voices as TMP has them makes it much easier to read.
As for Canalave, I think that's fine as is because there's ambiguity as to which notes to play with the RH (do you want to have RH take the top note, or two, or more?) so you can decide for yourself. But in TMP's sheet those notes (at least in the spots I remember looking at last night) those notes must be played with the RH, so it makes more sense to put them there.
Quote from: Latios212 on June 06, 2016, 07:06:02 PMThe way I see it, it should be clarity of intended execution here above showing which voice goes where. Not everyone picking up the sheet will necessarily need to know where the voices go, and if they do care enough they can probably figure it out. Ultimately keeping the voices as TMP has them makes it much easier to read.
As for Canalave, I think that's fine as is because there's ambiguity as to which notes to play with the RH (do you want to have RH take the top note, or two, or more?) so you can decide for yourself. But in TMP's sheet those notes (at least in the spots I remember looking at last night) those notes must be played with the RH, so it makes more sense to put them there.
Basically this. Lat perfectly covered everything I would have said had I not been watching the Indians beat Seattle...anyway, back to music stuff...
Just updated the files with a few minor changes Latios and I discussed. I can provide a change log if necessary; just don't feel like doing it at 2am. I should really find a better time to do my arranging...
Bump because this slipped to page 2.
Made some small modifications with Latios via Skype. We're both alright with the following file and if you are too, then it's good to go.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93589150/World%20SJD5.mus
Latios told me I was supposed to tell you what we changed so here:
We added staccatos throughout the song, I changed some enharmonic spellings, and did some small formatting things like the spacing of some of the staves.
Quote from: JDMEK5 on June 13, 2016, 10:03:42 PMMade some small modifications with Latios via Skype. We're both alright with the following file and if you are too, then it's good to go.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93589150/World%20SJD5.mus
Looks good, man! Thanks! Files are updatified.
Quote from: JDMEK5 on June 13, 2016, 10:03:42 PMLatios told me I was supposed to tell you what we changed so here:
We added staccatos throughout the song, I changed some enharmonic spellings, and did some small formatting things like the spacing of some of the staves.
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