Submission Information:
Series: Kirby
Game: Kirby Super Star Ultra
Console: Nintendo DS
Title: Masked Dedede
Instrumentation Two Pianos
Arranger: Dinos24SP (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3628)
Am I the only one who thinks this may be all or partially in cut time?
Anyways, you have a really solid arrangement here. I love how you nailed that nice free-form section too. It sent chills down my spine.
I would recommend using an 8va on the first piano from the center (two beats) of m12 to the center of m16. As well as the center of m20 to that first note in m22. This would really help on the readability of those two parts.
Fit measures to 3 per system
Change page size to 80% to fill the first page so it looks nice
Thanks for the feedback guys! Made a few edits based on your suggestions~
A few things I'd like to see fixed:
- The song looks significantly less clumsy with a 2-quarter-note-long pickup bar. I also think that a 2-quarter-note-long pickup bar fits with the Youtube video.
- The topmost notes I hear in the Youtube video in your Bars 5-6 (starting at the quarter note = 150 mark, ending at the half note) are B and B flat, alternating. (I habitually sing A flat and G there.) Thus, I don't think that topmost notes of E flat and D there are correct.
- The right hand Piano II accompaniment starting in the middle of Bar 6 should go G-Eb-C-Eb from the beginning to the end of each quarter note, not your current C-Eb-G-Eb.
- The start of Bar 8 misses out on the series of G's that the Youtube video has (at 0:12). I recommend copying the beginning of the Piano I's Bar 24 (and possibly doing octave G's there, just like the sum of the right hands of the beginning of Bar 24) to fix this.
- The melody in Bars 8-9 should go Eb-C-Bb-C-Eb-C-Bb-C-Eb-C-F-G, not your current Eb-C-Bb-C-Eb-C-Bb-C-Eb-C-Eb-F.
I might find more errors later.
Ok, I'll work on it later today, thanks!
Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 12, 2016, 08:19:40 PMA few things I'd like to see fixed:
- The song looks significantly less clumsy with a 2-quarter-note-long pickup bar. I also think that a 2-quarter-note-long pickup bar fits with the Youtube video.
- The start of Bar 8 misses out on the series of G's that the Youtube video has (at 0:12). I recommend copying the beginning of the Piano I's Bar 24 (and possibly doing octave G's there, just like the sum of the right hands of the beginning of Bar 24) to fix this.
- The melody in Bars 8-9 should go Eb-C-Bb-C-Eb-C-Bb-C-Eb-C-F-G, not your current Eb-C-Bb-C-Eb-C-Bb-C-Eb-C-Eb-F.
Fixed these
Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 12, 2016, 08:19:40 PM- The topmost notes I hear in the Youtube video in your Bars 5-6 (starting at the quarter note = 150 mark, ending at the half note) are B and B flat, alternating. (I habitually sing A flat and G there.) Thus, I don't think that topmost notes of E flat and D there are correct.
- The right hand Piano II accompaniment starting in the middle of Bar 6 should go G-Eb-C-Eb from the beginning to the end of each quarter note, not your current C-Eb-G-Eb.
Tried these, but wasn't a huge fan of how they turned out, still prefer how I had them :/
Updated files above. :)
Still a bit of a Finale noob (I prefer Musescore tbh) - what causes the fading effect before the repeat during playback and on the MIDI? How do I get rid of it?
Thanks again!
Did you, by chance, get this from a midi?
You have harmonies in the RH melody in measures 8-15 but what happened with them after that? You should include the harmonies in measures 16-19 as you've done with measures 8-15.
Quote from: Maelstrom on August 20, 2016, 08:04:53 PMDid you, by chance, get this from a midi?
It's
really similar to the VGmusic midi but not exact. So either he copied it with some creative liberties or no.
I did create this from a MIDI. I thought I had downloaded the actual MIDI rip from the game, but now I see that it was actually someone else who arranged it. I apologize, I wasn't trying to steal credit :/ What are the rules surrounding these situations? Should I ask the original arranger for permission?
A general rule(s) of thumb for midis:
Rule number 1: Don't use them as source material. Use them to check what you hear.
Rule number 2: Never trust midis you find online. If you want a midi that badly, rip it from the game yourself so you can be sure of it's accuracy.
edit: And yeah, if someone else did it, you should probably remove it.
Quote from: Maelstrom on August 24, 2016, 01:31:09 PMA general rule(s) of thumb for midis:
Rule number 1: Don't use them as source material. Use them to check what you hear.
Rule number 2: Never trust midis you find online. If you want a midi that badly, rip it from the game yourself so you can be sure of it's accuracy.
edit: And yeah, if someone else did it, you should probably remove it.
How do you rip soundtracks from games to midis?
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 24, 2016, 02:33:50 PMHow do you rip soundtracks from games to midis?
Magic
aka complicated, I assume.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 24, 2016, 04:56:52 PMaka complicated, I assume.
Yes, but doable with software. It's the software that's tricky.
Quote from: Maelstrom on August 24, 2016, 05:43:57 PMYes, but doable with software. It's the software that's tricky.
Maybe I'm thinking of two trains of thought with this:
Train 1:
There exist people such as KingMeteorStudios who may or may not rip MIDIs by ear. I remember reading on one of KingMeteorStudios's videos that he added an extra countermelody line to one of his MIDIs at one point. (I think it was a Mega Man one.)
Train 2:
There exist software such as the WIDI Recognition System (http://www.widisoft.com/mp3-to-midi.html) that can rip MIDIs from other types of sound files.
Unfortunately, some such software does a terrible job with unpitched percussion instruments, as heard below with WIDI's bad attempt at ripping a MIDI of C-R-O-W-N-E-D from Kirby's Return to Dream Land:
Here's another example of how bad mp3 to midi software is terrible and should never be used:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al_upsU5uVw
^^
Y, I have Widi. It's not that useful, I only use it sometimes if I'm unsure about certain stuff like chords. I definitely works best with 8-bit music and other simple music, but for those I don't need some software to help me.
I all honesty, transcribing songs work fine for me, using only audacity and audiostretch. The only difficulty is when there's like a very soft strings or harp or other hard-to-hear instrument in the background, those are really a pain to transcribe.
There's a program I found since I found out my MIDI was a fraud that rips MIDIs from .nds ROMs. Here's a link if you want it: https://filetrip.net/nds-downloads/utilities/download-nds-sound-extractor-04-f28818.html (https://filetrip.net/nds-downloads/utilities/download-nds-sound-extractor-04-f28818.html)
The site looks sketchy but I downloaded it, extracted it, and ran it with no problems (Even ran a virus scan after :) )
That being said, is there any hope for my sheet? :P
Ultimately, a sheet submitted under your name must be your work, and not copied from another source. Sorry. We're always willing to help you with a sheet that IS transcribed by yourself.
Quote from: dinos24SP on August 26, 2016, 06:00:08 PMThat being said, is there any hope for my sheet? :P
Quote from: Maelstrom on August 24, 2016, 01:31:09 PMA general rule(s) of thumb for midis:
Rule number 1: Don't use them as source material. Use them to check what you hear.
Rule number 2: Never trust midis you find online. If you want a midi that badly, rip it from the game yourself so you can be sure of it's accuracy.
edit: And yeah, if someone else did it, you should probably remove it.
^^
I agree. But, you could use midis for inspiration or as a shortcut. I've used a lot of midis for my previous arrangements. Usually what I do is to look at the midi, and take the notes and then arrange them for piano. So, it's technically my work as I made the arrangement, and only used the midis for inspiration.
I think that if you'd just edit the sheet more or the less, it'll make it more personal, and therefore more legit.
If you really want what I think may be the best course of action, I would suggest redoing it all from scratch properly without any help from what you've done. Obviously you'll remember certain elements and that's fine but then nobody can say that that's someone else's sheet. Also, that's a lot of work and isn't necessarily necessary. If you want to go that far, great; it'll make you a better arranger skillwise. If not, you don't have to I don't think but you'd have to do something (like aforementioned) to make it your own for sure at least.
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on September 08, 2016, 05:39:05 AM^^
I agree. But, you could use midis for inspiration or as a shortcut. I've used a lot of midis for my previous arrangements. Usually what I do is to look at the midi, and take the notes and then arrange them for piano. So, it's technically my work as I made the arrangement, and only used the midis for inspiration.
I think that if you'd just edit the sheet more or the less, it'll make it more personal, and therefore more legit.
If you ripped the midi yourself, sure. Otherwise no.
You can use other peoples midis to double check or if you're stuck (and you trust the source) but just copying the entire thing and changing it up a bit is akin to adding a moustache to the Mona Lisa and claiming that it's an original work of art.
Quote from: FireArrow on September 08, 2016, 04:15:14 PMBut just copying the entire thing and changing it up a bit is akin to adding a moustache to the Mona Lisa and claiming that it's an original work of art.
Well, actually... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.H.O.O.Q.)
Quote from: Yug_Guy on September 08, 2016, 04:59:21 PMWell, actually... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.H.O.O.Q.)
The Wikipedia article explains that L.H.O.O.Q. is a parody of a work in the public domain (i.e. the Mona Lisa). Unfortunately, a faithful arrangement of a copyrighted work with no Creative Commons-like rights (such as the Masked Dedede theme) does not apply to L.H.O.O.Q.'s situation.
(According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marcel_Duchamp_Mona_Lisa_LHOOQ.jpg, L.H.O.O.Q. is itself in the public domain in the USA but not France.)
I'm not an updater or whatever but here's my two cents:
Midis are fine for checking notes/chords for accuracy, but besides that, the arrangement should be made from scratch. Never should you start an arrangement from a midi.
Deleting for reasons specified above...