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 Rules:
-The format will be Single Battle.
-A team of up to 6 Pokémon will be used for this tournament.
-A team can only include one Legendary or Ultra Beast.
-A team may include one Mega Stone if the team has no Legendaries or Ultra Beasts; Mega Stones are banned otherwise.
-The moves Fissure, Sheer Cold, Horn Drill, and Guillotine are banned.
-Any move, item, or ability that may raise evasion is banned.
-No more than one Pokemon may be afflicted with the Sleep status at one time.  This rule is unenforceable.
-No two Pokémon may share a National Pokedex number.
-No two Pokémon may share a held item.
-Any Pokémon not legally obtainable within a cartridge game of Pokémon Sun or Pokémon Moon are banned.
-To clarify, Pokémon found or bred after Island Scan are allowed.
-Pokémon will be set to Level 50 during the battle regardless of their original level.
-Team Rosters must be publicly displayed in the thread.
-Team Rosters cannot be changed.
-Other parts of your team may be altered, including, but not limited to: held items, move sets, or Nature.
-If you feel your team may not be up to par for this event a QR Battle Team may be allowed on a case by case basis.  Furthermore, if you feel a team would be a barrier to entry, feel free to sign up anyway as this is an option.
-It is your own responsibility to complete your matches on time.  Plenty of time will be allotted to complete matches.  Failure to do so degrades the quality of the event and you will be awarded a loss for this.
-You may select up to 6 Pokémon from your team during a battle.  Selecting fewer than 6, however, is generally considered a bad idea.
-The winner must provide a Battle Video of the match to the thread.  Either the code to the Battle Video found in-game or a link to the PGL will suffice.  Failure to do so means you will have to redo that match.
-There will be a prize for the ultimate winner, worth approximately $10 USD.
-All questions, comments, concerns, or good jokes should be shared in the thread.  Please do not PM the tournament organizer.
-After signups end, each player will have a chance to play an exhibition match.  Team Rosters may be edited once during this period.
-After exhibition matches end, there will be a brief intermission to observe the PGL Alola Friendly tournament.  After the intermission ends, participants will submit their Team Rosters to the thread and a three-round Swiss competition will begin.
-After the Swiss competition ends, the 8 highest scoring participants will cut to a single elimination winner's bracket.  Players who lose in the winner's bracket and those who did not cut to the Top 8 will continue in the loser's bracket.  The loser's bracket winner will have a chance to rejoin the winner's bracket.
-The ultimate winner will be lauded with glory, fame, and some kind of prize.

Participants:

1. NocturneOfShadow

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  -Dragonite-   -Lycanroc-  -Roserade-   -Azumarill-    -Gengar-     -Rhyperior-

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2. Nebbles

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  -Cloyster-  -Mimikyu-  -Dragonite-  -Mudsdale-  -Gengar-      -Chandelure-

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3. SlowPokemon

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  -Decidueye-    -Slowbro-       -Salazzle-  -Togedemaru-   -Mimikyu-    -Kommo-o-

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4. Echo

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    -Gyarados-      -Anorexia-       -Weavile-     -Mamoswine-   -Aegislash-     -Greninja-

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5. Dudeman

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  -Anorexia-   -Golisopod-    -Ribombee-         -Vikavolt-         -Scizor-    -Araquanid-

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6. FireArrow

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  -Drifblim- -Mismagius- -Decidueye-  -Palossand-   -Mimikyu-      -Gengar-

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7. Mastersuperfan

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           -Marowak-   -Scizor-  -Salamence-         -Mamoswine-    -Porygon-Z-    -Greninja-

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8. Latios212

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  -Toucannon-    -Hariyama-  -Mudsdale- -Decidueye-  -Salazzle-       -Magnezone-

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9. DocDoom2

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  -Mudsdale-   -Oranguru-   -Xurkitree-       -Emboar-      -Lycanroc-      -Snorlax-

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10. dajwxp

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 -Nihilego-  -Whimsicott-        -Metagross-             -Talonflame-        -Wishiwashi-   -Froslass-

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Current Standings

Participants:		W-L-D
1. NocturneOfShadow		1-0-0
2. Nebbles		1-1-0
3. SlowPokemon		0-0-1
4. Echo		2-0-0
5. Dudeman		0-1-0
6. FireArrow		0-1-0
7. mastersuperfan		1-0-0
8. Latios212		0-0-1
9. DocDoom2		0-1-0
10. dajwxp		0-0-1

bing round one is done

round 2:
echo vs nebbles
dudeman vs latios212
daj vs mastersuperfan
nocturneofshadow vs firearrow
slowpokemon vs docdoom2

i decided not to pair based on record, hope yall are cool with that

round 2 will start to end in 3 weeks

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Since I'll be participating in the battle of Alola friendly and using the same team, this tournament can't overlap with that one (it locks your team for the duration of an official tournament, so I wouldn't be able to use it).

Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 06, 2017, 05:18:57 AM(it locks your team for the duration of an official tournament, so I wouldn't be able to use it).

Has this changed for Sun/Moon? In previous gens, what "locking" your team did was that you couldn't make any changes to it, but you could still use it for other battles iirc.

It changed for Sun and Moon, I specifically tested it with the last tournament.

rules are up.  lemme know if I missed anything.

Is there a reason we need to post our teams? That just means that the people who post their teams first are at a disadvantage, because the others will be able to see what they need to beat.

Any specific reason?  Not really, but it kinda fits with the "no changing team" rule.
And by all means, keep your team private until the exhibition games end if it's a big deal for you.  Since you're allowed to change your team after the exhibition match, that's when we'll post them.  Teams should already be pretty much finalized by then and the most any team will likely change is one or two pokemon, if that

You guys probably need the handicap of knowing my team anyways (I'm assuming movesets and such aren't required?):

Drifblim
Mismagius
Wailord
Palossand
Glalie
Gengar

Palossand*

oh that works

I did a crazy this Gen and made a Bug-type team instead of a Ghost-type one (I'll leave those honors to Nebbles ;) ).
- Leavanny
- Golisopod
- Ariados
- Scizor
- Araquanid
- Ribombee

Alrighty, I guess I'll enter!
Doubt I'll do that well, but hey why not? xD
I'll add my team to this post once I figure it out!
Also I know this might sound dumb, but is it doubles or singles?

Here's my team:
Mudsdale
Oranguru
Xurkitree
Emboar
Lycanroc
Snorlax

please don't be doubles I suck at doubles

Hey noc you should do doubles.

Ok the rules are incomplete
Are there any movesets/abilities we think should be banned?  Any Baton Pass restrictions?  Status restrictions?  I'm leaning toward no, but stuff like shadow tag wobuffet might exist idk

I'd prefer singles but I'm fine with either!

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 06, 2017, 09:26:58 PMOk the rules are incomplete
Are there any movesets/abilities we think should be banned?  Any Baton Pass restrictions?  Status restrictions?  I'm leaning toward no, but stuff like shadow tag wobuffet might exist idk

Imo, the less we ban, the better.

Wow pre pokebank format is gonna be crazy.  A lot of stuff is randomly not available because no move tutors

Should we ban metronome?  OHKO moves?

I don't think anyone is enough of a dick to use 1HKO moves, and if someone wants to take their chances with a risky move like Metronome, more power to them honestly

I mean I am

I kind of thought it was a given that we wouldn't use 1HKO moves but if we have to officially ban them I would advocate doing so haha

Things need to be officially banned.  Ambiguity only leads to ambiguous situations.

Will people hate me too much if I go all out to crush everyone else

That's kinda the point

Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 07, 2017, 07:24:24 PMThat's kinda the point

But then I see people's teams on the first page and feel kinda bad about wanting to do it

I think between you echo nebbles and slow there will be competitive players about.  That's why there'll be a split after the Swiss round

I've never really battled competitively haaah but I guess I do have the advantage of at least somewhat understanding how the competitive scene works

Evasion stuff like Double Team/Brightpowder is what would really get me salty tbh.

That and full-on Baton Pass chains, but that would be my own fault for not playing Tapu Fini.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 07, 2017, 07:37:52 PMI think between you echo nebbles and slow there will be competitive players about

Don't expect much from me lol. I'm more of a doubles specialist, and I haven't touched a Pokemon game before Moon since OR/AS first came out (quit at Fortree City, only played that far to get the Mega Bracelet lol).

Quote from: Echo on January 08, 2017, 03:12:18 AMEvasion stuff like Double Team/Brightpowder is what would really get me salty tbh.

That and full-on Baton Pass chains, but that would be my own fault for not playing Tapu Fini.

Don't expect much from me lol. I'm more of a doubles specialist, and I haven't touched a Pokemon game before Moon since OR/AS first came out (quit at Fortree City, only played that far to get the Mega Bracelet lol).

Anyone want to ban Evasion? It's a really un-fun tactic in general.

Are we including evasion abilities in that?

Please ban evasion. It only serves to make the game 10 times more luck based and relies less on skill and more on cheapness. If evasion-boosting abilities are also usually banned in the competitive scene then I'd advocate for that as well.

Also, Sleep Clause, if that's not already under consideration.

Sleep clause completely invalidates butterfree, so that's not happening
Honestly sleep clause is the only thing about pokemon showdown that I hate and I'm not sure why it exists
But I will ban evasion

To the best of my knowledge, Sleep Clause exists because Sleep is a generally overpowered status condition. The opposing Pokémon can do literally nothing for at least two turns (if you're lucky), and if you switch out to deal with the Sleep-inducing threat and it puts that Pokémon to sleep as well, you're looking at a generally broken strategy. Sleep allows for instant free switches, stat buffs until the cows come home, etc, etc. If Sleep Clause isn't instituted then I might drop out. Why not run Spore on everything if it's allowed? That's sure to be sportsmanlike.

EDIT: I'm aware only four evolutionary lines can learn Spore (five if you include Smeargle) but come on man

Holy shit we're having sleep clause. I'd much rather deal with evasion and OHKO moves.

The fastest spore user in the game is technically smeargle and good luck sketching that.  Let's assume butterfree is the most consistent sleep sweeper.  Butterfree's base speed is easily beatable before a quiver dance, and after a quiver dance is generally fragile enough to be KO'd by a priority move.  There's no way a sleep clause needs to be necessary.  It's not in the same vein as other bans, which have been removing blatant rng and restricting pokemon more powerful than the rest.  IF it's determined to be an issue after the exhibition games then I'll ban it but I promise it's not as unfair as you say it is

Edit for ninja: remember, this is pre pokebank.  A lot of strategies you might be used to on certain pokemon are inaccessible.  I'd like to give it a chance at least because some pokemon need the viability and if they can only sleep one pokemon they become essentially useless

Your argument reeks of "I'm only using this because you can beat me under the right circumstances." Anyone can beat anyone under the right circumstances, that doesn't mean your strategy is any less cheap.

lol "some pokemon need the viability" tiers exist for a reason

EDIT: actually this:

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 08, 2017, 11:36:34 AMIt's not in the same vein as other bans, which have been removing blatant rng and restricting pokemon more powerful than the rest.

is exactly why sleep clause exists, sleep is blatant RNG and makes pokemon more powerful than the rest

You're assuming I'm using sleep sweepers

-Magnezone
-Dragonite
-Azumarill
-Lycanroc
-Togekiss
-Miltank

Sleep isn't blatant rng, pretty sure it lasts from 1-3 turns.  I'd also like to point out that battle spot doesn't have sleep clause and it's still not absurdly powerful there.
There's a reason sleep didn't get nerfed when thunder wave and toxic did, it's because it's weaker, not stronger.

My vote: Don't ban sleep. Banning evasion is already annoying. In addition to it being a legitimate status condition that is relatively hard to set up without Yawn (most Pokémon that use Spore can be 1HKO fairly easily), banning it also makes Pokémon who have Insomnia or Vital Spirit have useless abilities.

Edit: Noc is also right, it never lasts more than three turns.

Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 08, 2017, 11:57:14 AMMy vote: Don't ban sleep. Banning evasion is already annoying. In addition to it being a legitimate status condition that is relatively hard to set up without Yawn (most Pokémon that use Spore can be 1HKO fairly easily), banning it also makes Pokémon who have Insomnia or Vital Spirit have useless abilities.

Edit: Noc is also right, it never lasts more than three turns.

Well, Sleep Clause doesn't ban it entirely.

Yeah but then you've got like resttalkers and stuff.  Sleep clause makes it essentially a 5v5 but in favor of the sleeping pokemon because it can wake up

What is Sleep Clause exactly? Like in simple terms.

No more than 1 pokemon may be asleep at one time.  On showdown the move simply fails, but in this case the user would be dq'd

It's just to prevent sleep users from putting your entire team to sleep or putting you in a situation where you have exactly one turn on every pokemon in the game to KO something.

I've never seen either of those situations happen.  Sleep is super good in-game, but in a competitive setting it's just another status you should be prepared for.  Are you telling me your strategy for other status moves is hope they miss?  Or do you have ground types or dark types or steel types or pokemon with limber and poison heal or heal bell

The difference is that every other status condition doesn't render you completely unable to act. Burn cuts your attack and hurt you, paralysis cuts your speed and prevents you from moving occasionally, and poison/toxic just hurts you, but they all still let you attack. Sleep lets you do nothing.

And sleep wears off.
Are you telling me burn wouldn't completely incapacitate half my team

Yes, if they're special-based. Remember, Sleep Clause still lets you put one Pokémon to sleep, but the point of it existing is to prevent people from sleep-locking an entire team. A person who uses a sleep-inducing move effectively gives themselves a free turn to set-up or otherwise, and extending that across an entire team is broken.


EDIT: I've kind of been stressing "no Sleep at all" too much, my bad. One sleeping Pokémon is reasonable, two is pushing it, three and beyond is cheap. That's the point of Sleep Clause.

Just play Tapu Fini/Koko/butactuallyFini

Ah I'm kind of neutral then I don't really care

Quote from: Echo on January 08, 2017, 01:24:20 PMJust play Tapu Fini/Koko/butactuallyFini

but i still haven't caught lunala yet

Quote from: FireArrow on January 08, 2017, 01:25:52 PMbut i still haven't caught lunala yet

Try your luck on wonder trade

Again, when we view exhibition games, we'll re discuss the issue

Two questions:
1) Does Silvally count for the Legendary limit?
2) Is Memento/Parting Shot banned when two players that know each other battle online? I know they're banned in Battle Spot because of the Z-move glitch, but are they allowed if you just challenge someone you know online? I couldn't find the answer online, and I'd be willing to test it out with someone if they wanna help.

1) I think so?
2) what time are you available?

1) :(
2) It'd have to wait until tomorrow at least, but just PM me a good time for you.

Silvally is a legendary.

The Parting Shot glitch has just been fixed with the 1.1 update now on the eShop. Don't bother.

Update??!!!?!?!

Also, if we could get one more person to sign up so that we have an even number that'd be fantastic

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 10, 2017, 05:26:10 PMUpdate??!!!?!?!

Also, if we could get one more person to sign up so that we have an even number that'd be fantastic

According to Serebii, at least, it's already up on the eShop.

Noc convinced me with a single statement, so I guess I'm pretty good at getting convinced ^^;

In. posting the team soon~

Wheeeeee

so are we using sleep clause or no


also can I adjust my roster

Read the rules

Right, here's what I've got:
- Nihilego
- Whimsicott
- Metagross
- Talonflame
- Wishiwashi
- Froslass

Don't even have lefties, didn't bother to IV select, ahaha i'm screwed </3

edit/update: if you guys try to bully my newbies you will be inflicted with cancer

Oh, here's my team:

-Cloyster
-Mimikyu
-Dragonite
-Mudsdale
-Gengar
-Chandelure

...wait, sorry to double post, but I forgot the island scan rule. Litwick is an Island Scan Pokemon, my mistake. Swap it with Palossand.

Read the rules... thoroughly

I'm sorry, that's absolutely my bad.

:P
As for dudeman, the rules aren't actually clear to this issue but since I'm technically not collecting rosters right now they can be changed infinite times

Great, thanks. I'm swapping out Leavanny for Pheromosa. Bug boi Guzma is still pleased.

-Pheromosa
-Golisopod
-Ribombee
-Ariados
-Scizor
-Araquanid

official friendly semicompetitive professional reminder that signups end in a mere 2 or so days.  If you want to sign up, I'd recommend finding a buddy to sign up with so as not to disturb the byeness.
On monday, I'd like everyone to make sure their rosters are written somewhere in the thread.  When you see your roster in the OP, make sure there are no discrepancies.

If you need help collecting held items or stat reducing berries, contact the host (moi) who was pro enough to get a destiny knot a day after beating the game.

I got a destiny knot by accident halfway through the game 8]

The host got a Destiny knot after roughly 20 hours of gameplay.
(Assert dominance)

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 14, 2017, 12:50:57 PMofficial friendly semicompetitive professional reminder that signups end in a mere 2 or so days.  If you want to sign up, I'd recommend finding a buddy to sign up with so as not to disturb the byeness.
On monday, I'd like everyone to make sure their rosters are written somewhere in the thread.  When you see your roster in the OP, make sure there are no discrepancies.

If you need help collecting held items or stat reducing berries, contact the host (moi) who was pro enough to get a destiny knot a day after beating the game.

I still haven't beat the game, so I haven't been working on my team yet. Can I post my roster later than Monday?

Quote from: Nebbles on January 13, 2017, 10:19:19 PMI'm sorry, that's absolutely my bad.

I think Noc is trying to tell you that Island Scan Pokémon are allowed (as stated in the rules).

Do you want to rent a QR team instead?

Not sure how that would work, but I'd rather make my own team instead unless the competition is in a week or less.

The exhibition games start after signups and last for about 10 days.  What you can do is Google the QR code of a team and scan it when you join a link battle.  We can test it out if you want

If I need to use the same team for exhibition as for the actual tournament, then... well, I guess I'll opt out, then. Sorry. :/ I can't seem to find it now, but I could've sworn someone said that the matches would start after the Pokébank update, so I figured I had enough time. Oh, well. Hopefully you can get someone else to sign up in my place.

you don't need to use the same team.  The exhibition games are for you to get a feel for your team in this particular environment.  As the rules state, you may make a final change to your roster after exhibition games end.  How great of a change that is isn't specified.
You could also consider a sub optimal team.  I'm sure you'd do plenty well with an ingame team after changing their EVs.
Remember, you don't need to level up a team; they'll be automatically set to 50.

EDIT: you do realize the pokebank update is in 3 days right

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 14, 2017, 07:38:08 PMyou don't need to use the same team.  The exhibition games are for you to get a feel for your team in this particular environment.  As the rules state, you may make a final change to your roster after exhibition games end.  How great of a change that is isn't specified.
You could also consider a sub optimal team.  I'm sure you'd do plenty well with an ingame team after changing their EVs.
Remember, you don't need to level up a team; they'll be automatically set to 50.

Oh, really? I also could've sworn it was mentioned that you could only change one Pokémon after the exhibition games... maybe I'm imagining things.

In that case, I suppose I'll just use my in-game team for the exhibition matches and prepare a different team for the tournament. I guess my team for the exhibition matches will be:

Primarina
Ribombee
Wigglytuff
Ninetales-A
Granbull
Solgaleo / Kartana (because Comfey is pretty useless tbh and I can make use of a legendary/UB; I'll decide on which one later)

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 14, 2017, 07:38:08 PMEDIT: you do realize the pokebank update is in 3 days right

Wait, it is? I thought the date was still unannounced because people online were still trying to figure out the date a few days ago...

Finally finished my Stoutland Spin breeding for a Weavile with Egg Moves (which better be worth it because Weavile was the filler mon :/)

Gyarados
Salamence
Weavile
Mamoswine
Aegislash
Greninja

Quote from: mastersuperfan on January 14, 2017, 07:43:50 PMWait, it is? I thought the date was still unannounced because people online were still trying to figure out the date a few days ago...

The 17th is an assumption based on I think Battle Spot allowing National Dex or something.

SIGNUPS HAVE NOW ENDED, BECAUSE I SAY SO.
EXHIBITION MATCHES HAVE BEGUN!  YOU MAY MAKE ONE (1) OFFICIAL ROSTER CHANGE DURING THIS PERIOD.  EXHIBITION MATCHES LAST UNTIL JANUARY 27TH, FRIDAY AFTER NEXT.
HERE IS HOW THE MATCHUPS HAVE BEEN CHOSEN:  EACH PLAYER WAS RANDOMIZED IN A LIST USING RANDOM.ORG.  PLAYER 1 WILL PLAY PLAYER 2, PLAYER 3 VS 4, AND SO ON.  WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, HERE IS THE LINEUP:

1+2 SlowPokemon vs dajwxp!
3+4 Echo vs mastersuperfan!
5+6 Dudeman vs Nebbles!
7+8 Latios212 vs NocturneOfShadow!
9+10 FireArrow vs DocDoom2!

BEGIN!
To schedule matches, please contact your opponent directly.  Failure to play an exhibition match will result in a sadface :(.
The winners of each match will be awarded one (1) smileyface :).

I WILL SOON MAKE THE OP LOOK PRETTY.

Latios212 and SlowPokemon, you don't technically need to get your rosters in, but if you don't do so by tonight whatever roster you end up posting to the thread will be your final one.
(Ironic that the 2 pokemon themed usernames haven't got their pokemon names in yet)

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 16, 2017, 05:20:51 PMEXHIBITION MATCHES HAVE BEGUN!  YOU MAY MAKE ONE (1) OFFICIAL ROSTER CHANGE DURING THIS PERIOD.

Can this change happen any time, or does it have to happen before/after the scheduled match?

Haven't totally decided, but I was thinking about using my in game team:

Decidueye
Slowbro
Salazzle
Togedemaru
Mimikyu
Kommo-o

It can happen at any time, but doing so afterwards gives you the most information

Do I have to participate in exhibition matches? I really don't want to

Also January 27-29 is the online Alola Friendly competition and I want the 50 BP from participating, so the real competition can't take place until at least the 30th, unless you want to do it before the 27th

read the rules

I already did but I don't really understand the sad face rule

Same here, actually. What's the point of exhibition matches? I'm still gonna do mine, but what do the smilies mean?

oh, you and daj didn't play your exhibition game :(

FINAL ROSTER CHANGE
I already know Vikavolt is far superior to Ariados so I'm comfortable with doing this before the match.

-Pheromosa
-Golisopod
-Ribombee
-Vikavolt
-Scizor
-Araquanid

Me vs latios: 9RDW WWWW WWW4 LV8D

Me vs Dudeman: 9E5G-WWWW-WWW4-LVP5

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 17, 2017, 08:56:44 AMoh, you and daj didn't play your exhibition game :(

Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 16, 2017, 09:32:00 PMDo I have to participate in exhibition matches? I really don't want to

Also January 27-29 is the online Alola Friendly competition and I want the 50 BP from participating, so the real competition can't take place until at least the 30th, unless you want to do it before the 27th

ummm slow are we gonna do this? D:

Honestly idk what exhibition matches even are haha

at the beginning of a season a team will play preseason or exhibition games to test out their lineup or to sell tickets.  Thr games have no bearing on the rest of the season.

This is a gaming tournament not a season.

Quote from: dajwxp on January 17, 2017, 09:42:11 PMummm slow are we gonna do this? D:

Honestly idk what exhibition matches even are haha

I'd rather not, I apologize

Me vs FireArrow: 35RG-WWWW-WWW4-MG8V

EDIT: I will not be editing my team besides finishing EV training and getting the items I don't currently have enough BP for.

So again my final team is:
Mudsdale
Oranguru
Xurkitree
Emboar
Lycanroc
Snorlax

I just edited out a few dead moves on my team. It's otherwise the same.

Quote from: DocDoom2 on January 18, 2017, 05:06:43 PMMe vs FireArrow: 35RG-WWWW-WWW4-MG8V

EDIT: I will not be editing my team besides finishing EV training and getting the items I don't currently have enough BP for.

So again my final team is:
Mudsdale
Oranguru
Xurkitree
Emboar
Lycanroc
Snorlax

what items are you looking for?  I'd be happy to help provide if I've already got some of them

I'm liking everyone's battle music choices so far

Woohoo triple post whatever
Daj, you can have a match with me if you want to try out your team

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 18, 2017, 08:56:03 PMWoohoo triple post whatever
Daj, you can have a match with me if you want to try out your team

daaaang :D

Kk i'll hit ya up in a bit ^^

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 18, 2017, 05:51:31 PMwhat items are you looking for?  I'd be happy to help provide if I've already got some of them

Thanks! I just need a Choice Scarf and Assault Vest, and if you have those I'll return them after the tourney.
But please don't feel obligated or anything cause I know those are both like 32 and 48 BP items xD

I've got an assault vest that I'm not using.  I can grab a scarf pretty soon, I'm not much bp away from it.

Daj, you posted that, can we do it at the same time tonight?

Thanks! No need to waste your BP on a choice scarf for me, I'll be able to get it after a couple rounds in the battle tree!

I've already got enough bp for it and I'm on battle 22 rn.although my focus sash went missing, it may have been knock offed by a granbull or something

I added you.  Got kicked out by a golem on round 27, his stone edge ohkod my dragonite somehow.  When you add me just go to festival plaza

Alright thanks! I'll probably be able to get one in about an hour!

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 19, 2017, 04:34:19 PMI've already got enough bp for it and I'm on battle 22 rn.although my focus sash went missing, it may have been knock offed by a granbull or something

I added you.  Got kicked out by a golem on round 27, his stone edge ohkod my dragonite somehow.  When you add me just go to festival plaza

deeerp. Military camp problems haha.

Guess I'll skip the exhibition matches too ahaha ^^;
Sorry man :p

If you want to play one we can, just lemme know when you can and I'm down

I'm in my Festival Plaza, but I can't seem to find you Noc... I'll try reconnecting to the internet, then I'll send a trade request if you want!

I've been sending you requests but you went and disappeared on me ^_^
Send me the trade request as soon as you can

Oh lol sorry, some other person sent me a request and I was busy helping them out with some rarer mons xD
I'll send it now, just gotta do one more thing.

Why is your minior orange??

Cause orange is the best color of Minior! :P
Thanks for the Dratini and Marill and most of all, the items!

I thought minior were pink

Minior come in seven different colors, one for each color of the rainbow. This doesn't include its shiny form, which is black with colored speckles.

Alright, so if slow and daj don't have an exhibition game, the only one left is echo vs msf

Just wanna find out for sure, is it possible for me to compete in the Alola Friendly competition or will it interfere with the tourney?
Because I really want the 50 BP xD

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 05, 2017, 08:18:13 PM-After exhibition matches end, there will be a brief intermission to observe the PGL Alola Friendly tournament.  After the intermission ends, participants will submit their Team Rosters to the thread and a three-round Swiss competition will begin.

I was just gonna say read the rules but quoting them works

Sorry, big time brain blank out!
Thanks for reminding me!

still waiting for MSF and Echo to play their game- you've got until the end of this week!

This is my midterms week, so, uh, maybe not... Maybe. We'll see.

FINAL ROSTER

-Gengar
-Lycanroc
-Dragonite
-Azumarill
-Rhyperior
-Roserade

Actually (if I manage to do it before the tournaments starts) I'm gonna try and change my team to:
- Drifblim
- Mismagius
- Gengar
- Palossand
- Decidueye
- Mimikyu

for that glorius mono-ghost.

lemme know if you need any help- my gengar has perfect IVs

I'm not gonna bother breeding. Just gonna ev train as soon as I amass enough ev reducing berries

are there any you're missing or is it just numbers

I'm just missing pomeg hoping to get it from the berry tree tomorrow though.

if you didn't get it lemme know and I'll give you one

if everyone could just make a final roster post (even if you already have) I'd appreciate it since it would make editing the OP so much easier

I'm in this to have fun so here I am ready to get Shreked
- Scizor
- Vikavolt
- Golisopod
- Araquanid
- Ribombee
- Pheromosa

Here's my team!
-Mudsdale
-Oranguru
-Xurkitree
-Emboar
-Lycanroc
-Snorlax

So when is the competition officially starting and what's the deadline for the first battle(s)? I have a final roster planned out but I don't want to post it and then not be able to finish it, since I'm still working on breeding and training them...

I'm just waiting for everyone to make their final rosters.
If your team doesn't match the one in the OP yell at me.

I think I'll just go ahead and keep my current team? I'm interested to see how effective it is

My team is fine as is.

Decision on sleep clause?

I personally think it should be limited to 1 asleep Pokemon per team.

I'm switching one or two from my roster, I'll try to decide by tonight or tomorrow sorry.

Quote from: mastersuperfan on January 30, 2017, 03:00:46 PMI have a final roster planned out but I don't want to post it and then not be able to finish it, since I'm still working on breeding and training them...

Just use the Poke Pelago trick (set your 3DS date to 1/31 with like a minute to go until the next month, wait for it to pass in-game and everything will complete).

Quote from: FireArrow on February 05, 2017, 12:07:42 AMDecision on sleep clause?

Did anyone even have a Pokemon that uses Sleep moves lol?

someone sweep me with lilligant

Quote from: Nebbles on February 05, 2017, 12:09:54 AMI personally think it should be limited to 1 asleep Pokemon per team.

Sounds all right

I won't be affected by this since I don't have any sleep moves

I would sooner ban the cancer pokemon of this tournament (mimiku) than sleep
or at least focus sash on mimiku

How about this: Sleep clause is in effect, but it won't be enforced

Quote from: Echo on February 05, 2017, 09:01:29 AMDid anyone even have a Pokemon that uses Sleep moves lol?

I do eheheheh. If there was no sleep clause I'd probably go through and make sure everyone on my team that could learn a sleep move got one.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 05, 2017, 03:32:15 PMI would sooner ban the cancer pokemon of this tournament (mimiku) than sleep
or at least focus sash on mimiku

What's wrong with mimikyu?

there's a lot wrong with mimikyu, but the only reason it's an issue is because of its popularity

My team is fine, hehe ^^

Mimikyu is a really nice will-o target, js~

Oops I never actually posted my new team (just sub Pheromosa over Salamence).

Gyarados
Mamoswine
Weavile
Pheromosa
Greninja
Aegislash

Thank you
Anyone else I'm missing?  Hopefully we can get this started soon.

I you could give me a few more days to complete my team, that'd be appreciated. I've been awfully busy and stressed out this past week and I haven't had a chance to finish breeding and training everything... :P

Of course.  The schedule will do its best to accommodate everyone so long as they make the effort to follow it

Participants:		W-L-D
1. NocturneOfShadow		0-0-0
2. Nebbles		0-0-0
3. SlowPokemon		0-0-0
4. Echo		0-0-0
5. Dudeman		0-0-0
6. FireArrow		0-0-0
7. mastersuperfan		0-0-0
8. Latios212		0-0-0
9. DocDoom2		0-0-0
10. dajwxp		0-0-0

Matchups for Round 1:
FireArrow vs Echo
Nebbles vs dajwxp (or daj now I guess)
mastersuperfan vs Dudeman
DocDoom2 vs NocturneOfShadow
Latios212 vs SlowPokemon

Matchups were determined by creating a list with numbers 1-10 for each player's position and that list was randomized through random.org.  The numbers were paired 1 with 2, 3 with 4, and so on.

Match 1 will begin next Monday at 12 AM GMT blah blah doesn't really matter and will end maybe like a week or two after.
Since nobody replied to the thread freaking out about the OP inaccuracy I'm assuming everything there is correct.  You snooze you lose.  GLHF

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 17, 2017, 01:59:59 PMSince nobody replied to the thread freaking out about the OP inaccuracy I'm assuming everything there is correct.  You snooze you lose.  GLHF

Wait, hold on. I said I was still working on my team, so I have yet to finalize my roster...

Dengit Echo rip me

Quote from: mastersuperfan on February 17, 2017, 02:53:00 PMWait, hold on. I said I was still working on my team, so I have yet to finalize my roster...

It's been more than a month since sign ups dude. It's partly noc's fault for not giving us any deadlines or start dates, but I let's not do the whole "nothing happens on NSM because no one can ever get anything done."

Quote from: mastersuperfan on February 17, 2017, 02:53:00 PMWait, hold on. I said I was still working on my team, so I have yet to finalize my roster...

It's cool bruh, I can wait as long as you need.

Quote from: mastersuperfan on February 17, 2017, 02:53:00 PMWait, hold on. I said I was still working on my team, so I have yet to finalize my roster...

I was under the impression that your roster was finalized but you were still training?  Either way, I'm willing to flex the time depending on how much you need (extending the deadline up to a week) so get 'er done and don't stress about time limits.

Quote from: FireArrow on February 17, 2017, 03:17:01 PMDengit Echo rip me

It's been more than a month since sign ups dude. It's partly noc's fault for not giving us any deadlines or start dates, but I let's not do the whole "nothing happens on NSM because no one can ever get anything done."

actually the OP said that we would begin immediately after the alola friendly but yall were pretty slow on that so yeah

oh shite, nebbles. ^^;

Mmmm welp it was nice playing while it lasted guise

I'm so glad I can instill terror in the hearts of many!

Just PM me on Skype when you're ready for battle.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 17, 2017, 04:23:30 PMactually the OP said that we would begin immediately after the alola friendly but yall were pretty slow on that so yeah

I didn't know when that was so I didn't count it lel

docdoom when are you available to battle?

Also everyone, don't forget to upload the battle video!

edit: oh shoot Echo i need to make sure- battle bond greninja isn't allowed, is normal greninja island scan?

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 20, 2017, 10:59:46 AMedit: oh shoot Echo i need to make sure- battle bond greninja isn't allowed, is normal greninja island scan?

Shoot, it isn't? Was that in the rules? Because I was going to use it too and I spent all that time preparing him... D: Well, I was about to post my roster, but I guess now I'll have to adjust my team to find a way around that first...

(Also, Greninja's not available through Island Scan, so... yes, Echo's is also Battle Bond.)

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 05, 2017, 08:18:13 PM-Any Pokémon not legally obtainable within a cartridge game of Pokémon Sun or Pokémon Moon are banned.
-To clarify, Pokémon found or bred after Island Scan are allowed.

rip

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 20, 2017, 01:10:32 PMrip

Well, Battle Bond Greninja's legally obtainable... How'd we get it otherwise?

from the demo
not from the game

The rules don't seem to suggest that at all. I own a cartridge game of Pokémon Sun, and I obtained it in my game legally by picking it up from the delivery man in the Pokémon Center. Whether or not I needed the demo shouldn't matter, and clearly Echo interpreted the rules that way as well.

by that logic we would allow pokemon from pokebank and poke transporter
I'll be honest, I wasn't thinking about specifically greninja when I wrote the rules, but it's true to say Greninja isn't legally obtainable within a cartridge of sun and moon (requires external software)

I don't see what requiring external software has to do with legally obtaining the Pokémon within the game when the Pokémon itself is being generated in the game as you pick it up, rather than a direct trade/transfer from another game. The Greninja hardly qualifies as a direct trade/transfer since it's not actually the same Greninja getting transferred. All the demo is doing is giving you access to a Pokémon that's already in S/M.

are you sure the greninja isn't the same
who's the OT of the greninja
Ash, right?

By that logic, Pokémon from in-game trades would be forbidden as well.

do bred greninjas have battle bond?

Ash-Greninja can't breed, but I don't see why that matters. The point is that the Pokémon is generated within the cartridge itself, not in the demo. When you pick it up, its nature and IVs are randomly generated there and then, as you pick it up. In this sense Ash-Greninja is akin to an event Pokémon; it's hardly different from the event Munchlax or Magearna. Would you ban Snorlium Z just because it requires an external factor, even though the item is first given to you in the game itself? If this tournament were happening in Generation 4, would you ban dual-only Pokémon even though you catch them in the 4th Gen game?

If you're hellbent on opposing a restriction on Ash-Greninja, I'd have to prepare a new team member, and by this point I don't think I have the time nor the patience for that.

like I said: when I made the rules, I forgot about greninja entirely.
it's pretty different from events though.
how sure are you on nature and IVs being randomly generated?  I thought the IVs were fixed at always 20something/31/</31/</31.
And I thought the nature was generated in the demo, but I wasn't exactly paying attention.
obviously since not only echo but now you too are using greninja it's a bit late to fix any of this but I think the simplest interpretation of the rules would ban greninja

It's okay MSF, you can always forfeit. Kappa

I soft reset for quite a bit to get a good nature on my Greninja, even though the nature in the demo is always Hardy. I will admit that the IVs are actually preset, which is an error on my part, but it still means that the Greninja you get in game is not the same Greninja that you get in the demo.

To me, the simplest interpretation of the rules would be the one that allows Pokébank, because any Pokémon transferred through Bank is obtained legally, but since we discussed not using Pokébank at the beginning, it seemed to me that the simplest interpretation allowed the use of any Pokémon that originated in Sun/Moon.

I think the operative word was "within" and my using that was the way I excluded pokebank

Yes, I noticed that. I'm saying that the Ash-Greninja itself originates within Sun/Moon, even if the demo is required to access it.

omg just let them use it we're a sheet music forum for pete's sake

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 20, 2017, 02:59:06 PMobviously since not only echo but now you too are using greninja it's a bit late to fix any of this

I think your logic is a bit flimsy though, obviously gren did not come from within the game otherwise you could have obtained it without the demo
the event pokemon are a lot different than a demo pokemon

I'm not sure I understand your point. Just because the demo is required doesn't mean that the Greninja comes from the demo. The randomized nature is evidence that the Greninja is generated at the point you pick it up. See my earlier point on dual-slot Pokémon in Gen 4; do you consider them as not originating within the Gen 4 game?

We established that we were playing this tourney in a pre-Pokébank meta, so that's how I interpreted the rules. In no way did you initially make it clear that Greninja was not allowed; it was only at the point you explicitly said so, very recently, that this rule of yours was revealed, and by that point I, and presumably Echo as well, had spent time preparing Ash-Greninja for competitive battling. Furthermore, you even said you didn't have Greninja in mind when you wrote the rules, so what reason do you have to go out of your way now to prevent it from being used?

Quote from: Dudeman on February 20, 2017, 04:17:39 PMomg just let them use it we're a sheet music forum for pete's sake

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 20, 2017, 02:59:06 PMobviously since not only echo but now you too are using greninja it's a bit late to fix any of this

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 20, 2017, 02:59:06 PMobviously since not only echo but now you too are using greninja it's a bit late to fix any of this

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 20, 2017, 02:59:06 PMobviously since not only echo but now you too are using greninja it's a bit late to fix any of this

yes I realize that you guys have put effort into greninja

Well, I'll take that as a go-ahead to use Greninja, then.

Final Roster:

Alolan Marowak
Scizor
Salamence
Mamoswine
Porygon-Z
Greninja

Quote from: FireArrow on February 17, 2017, 03:17:01 PMDengit Echo rip me

prepare to get rekt skrub

Btw just PM whenever you're down to play. I'm free tonight if you are!

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 20, 2017, 04:36:49 PMI think your logic is a bit flimsy though, obviously gren did not come from within the game otherwise you could have obtained it without the demo
the event pokemon are a lot different than a demo pokemon

I don't know if you know this, but the Greninja you get isn't transferred from the demo, it's a Mystery Gift card that's unlocked by connecting to the demo, that's why he's saying it's an event Pokemon (it's essentially a mystery gift event without a time limit).

Me vs Doc:
T79G-WWWW-WWW5-KEFS

lol, I knew I should have led with taunt.  Fortunately dragonite didn't have to be dead weight, though it was close.

Man, I was totally zoned out during that battle! I thought Roserade was last, but there was Rhyperior as well xD
Great game none the less!

lol, killing rhyperior with a mostly physical team is not an easy thing to do
I think we both screwed up a couple times, so they balanced out

Yeah, I was planning to use Xurkitree against it, but that +6 Aqua Jet... xD

+6 HUGE POWER yee

Me vs. MSF:
MALG-WWWW-WWW5-L83G

I got somewhat bodied. Oh well. I'm rusty and not an expert.

TFW you teach Return and then forget to raise happiness oh well it's k didn't need it anyways

Kudos to Dudeman for using a mono-bug team, though.

GUZMA IS PLEASED

that battle was... weird.
yeah, mono bug is gonna have some issues with stealth rock, I'd check if any of your pokemon can learn defog or rapid spin.  And you should have switched golisopod out sooner, you couldn't stop salamence from setting up and it could have been a lot worse if he hadn't used a resisted move (why?).  I didn't really notice anything else that was questionable.
MSF loses points for having 2 mega evolutions

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on February 25, 2017, 04:12:49 PMthat battle was... weird.
yeah, mono bug is gonna have some issues with stealth rock, I'd check if any of your pokemon can learn defog or rapid spin.  And you should have switched golisopod out sooner, you couldn't stop salamence from setting up and it could have been a lot worse if he hadn't used a resisted move (why?).  I didn't really notice anything else that was questionable.
MSF loses points for having 2 mega evolutions

Return was really weak because I forgot to raise Salamence's happiness. In hindsight, it might've done more damage than Earthquake, but after that measly damage on Golisopod I didn't want to try it again. :P Either way, the mistakes relatively balanced out since Salamence did some damage and then got KO'd.

(Also I don't know if you're actually serious on that last point, but Z-Crystals =/= Mega Stones.)

I think he's referring to Ash-Greninja.

Quote from: Dudeman on February 25, 2017, 04:35:51 PMI think he's referring to Ash-Greninja.

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Okay, that makes more sense. :P

Forfeiting to Nebbles.

Timezones aren't working out, schedule is actually kinda packed, and Nebbles would win anyway xD

I won't make a note of it until later this week, in case you're able to squeeze something in

Echo ate me alive rip Aegislash mind games

K7FG-WWWW-WWW5-NV4U

> Clicks Earthquake because game says it would be "Effective"
> Mismagius's Levitate triggered

RIP all my credibility as a player

thanks guys that just leaves Latios vs Slow
(again the two pokemon themed players)
if you guys could somehow get your matches in by next monday that'd be fantastic thanks

yeah aegislash is a busted one that's for sure
essentially has both 150 defense stats and offense stats

Yeah its a pretty damn good pokemon. I was mostly commenting on how I had to guess right two 50/50s in a row to win :c

you know there's a power level issue when you keep losing to the "Echo AI"

I finally beat echo's ai but jeez
JEEZ

Quick ruling question: We're not allowed to use anything that requires transferring, including egg moves/abilities, right?

Specific example: Mamoswine in Sun/Moon only gets Oblivious as an ability through Island Scan. Therefore, I wouldn't be allowed to transfer a Thick Fat Mamoswine and then breed a new Thick Fat Mamoswine for the tournament, right?

Just wondering because I'm about to raise another Mamoswine anyways, but just checking whether I can use it or not.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on March 01, 2017, 09:46:55 AMyeah aegislash is a busted one that's for sure
essentially has both 150 defense stats and offense stats

*roughly base 100 offense and defense stats when you look at how its damage output and bulk compare with other Pokemon, because of Aegislash having to use weak 80 BP moves and having 50 base HP to tone it down. Still really good, and the typing pushes it over the top, but let's not get carried away and say that it's a menace like Salamence or Greninja, who get crazy high stats on top of 100+ BP moves.

Quote from: FireArrow on March 01, 2017, 11:44:18 AMYeah its a pretty damn good pokemon. I was mostly commenting on how I had to guess right two 50/50s in a row to win :c

I thought for sure you'd switch at the start becuase you were under the Taunt > King's Shield combo. :c

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on March 01, 2017, 12:31:04 PMyou know there's a power level issue when you keep losing to the "Echo AI"

I finally beat echo's ai but jeez
JEEZ

In case it makes you feel better if we get paired up, the AI's probably better than me right now. >_>

while I don't think the rules specifically state you CAN'T do that, the spirit of the rules would want your pokemon to adhere to SM's pre-pokebank legality.
If thick fat is Mamoswine's Hidden Ability, then no, you can't use it.  If it's one of its 2 abilities, using an Ability Capsule should give it to you, so you can transfer a Thick Fat Mamoswine since it's legal.

edit: this applies to tutor moves too.  If a pokemon can learn an egg move in SM but that move was a tutor move transferred to it from XYORAS, that wouldn't be allowed.  Heal Bell and most entry hazards are both major pains to find good mons for, for example, because you don't have the tutors from previous games.

Quote from: Echo on March 01, 2017, 03:12:49 PMI thought for sure you'd switch at the start becuase you were under the Taunt > King's Shield combo. :c

I probably would of but you messaged me on skype about it and I'm like "Wait, monoghost he's just gonna OHKO my switch in if it's a bait."

Why did no one tell me this was moving forward? @Latios when do u wanna smash

Were you hoping it would crash and burn or something

No I just figured when it happened someone would tell me it was going on

Did you all forget I left hah

I made a mental note to tell you or latios then forogt

I know I'm not in the tournament, but I just had to:

Quote from: FireArrow on March 04, 2017, 01:09:47 PMI made a mental note to tell you or latios then forogt

You should've tied the note so you would remember it longer.

We need to get going on round 2 pretty soon.  What's the status on Latios vs Slow?

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on March 12, 2017, 02:45:18 PMSlow

HOLY CRAP YOU GUYS
ROUND ONE ENDS NEXT WEEK

Slow vs Latios ought to get done (that's what we're waiting on), and Nebbles vs Daj still ought to have happened even though you guys didn't bother trying!

Daj said he was going to forfeit because he didn't have the time to actually battle me, and I accepted that.

bing round one is done

round 2:
echo vs nebbles
dudeman vs latios212
daj vs mastersuperfan
nocturneofshadow vs firearrow
slowpokemon vs docdoom2

i decided not to pair based on record, hope yall are cool with that

round 2 will start to end in 3 weeks

meet me in the pit, echo

Whew, Mimikyu's just as scary as ever for my team. But Weavile really put in work for me, so I'm glad about that! Good game, Nebbles!

53VW-WWWW-WWW6-ELS6

Oh right, I oughta talk to Latios about a throwdown.

fite me daj

Fa I can play right now if you're available

At work till ~midnight PST.

...gross I think that's 1 AM here alright I'll try
uh just post here again when you're back and I'll get online if I'm awake

tfw when 2 people go home early and you have to close the store with only 3 people.... yeah I doubt you're still alive

B
Nope I died

[4/7/17, 5:58:43 PM] Dudeman: HEY YOU
[4/7/17, 5:58:52 PM] Latios212: whuh
[4/7/17, 5:59:05 PM] Dudeman: ARE YOU AVAILABLE FOR A POKEMON THROWDOWN THIS WEEKEND
[4/7/17, 5:59:10 PM] Latios212: A what
[4/7/17, 5:59:21 PM] Dudeman: On 4/7/17, at 5:59 PM, Dudeman wrote:
> A POKEMON THROWDOWN
[4/7/17, 5:59:23 PM] Latios212: (...I actually happen to be quite busy this weekend)
[4/7/17, 5:59:28 PM] Latios212: what does that entail
[4/7/17, 5:59:39 PM] Dudeman: ...well see uh
[4/7/17, 5:59:46 PM] Dudeman: http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9095.msg370810#msg370810
[4/7/17, 6:00:07 PM] Latios212: oh gosh
[4/7/17, 6:01:57 PM] Dudeman: yeah
[4/7/17, 6:02:23 PM] Dudeman: do you have to drop out
[4/7/17, 6:02:29 PM] Latios212: I kinda wanna
[4/7/17, 6:02:33 PM] Latios212: I literally have still not made a team yet
[4/7/17, 6:02:46 PM] Dudeman: oof yeah guess it might be a little late at this point
[4/7/17, 6:02:55 PM] Dudeman: you might wanna post something in the topic
[4/7/17, 6:04:20 PM] Latios212: I guessss
[4/7/17, 6:04:26 PM] Latios212: I'm actually kinda busy rn so hang on a lil


Meant to post this a few days ago
I'm a little out of a match now

oops

What you have a team in the op

...H-How long has Pheromosa been listed as Anorexia in the OP?

Since the beginning

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 10, 2017, 10:37:41 PMSince the beginning

Can confirm

tfw you click shadow sneak instead of switching out. Would of still lost to lum berry dragonite tho

WWSG-WWWW-WWW6-J4WM

I was planning on sweeping the monoghost team with mega gengar but I feared the sucker punch

Subbing in for Latios

Bewear
Garchomp
Lanturn
Cloyster
Alolan Marowak
Metagross (Mega)

Good old Latinos

Hey Shado, I need you to unblock yourself from receiving PMs so that I can contact you :)

See if you can Skype him

A) Not sure I have his Skype info
B) The reason I'm posting is because he PM'd me but he's blocked incoming PM's so I can't reply

Oh lol
I'll send him a Skype message just in case but I'm sure he's on top of things

All's well now.

So supposedly this round is supposed to end tomorrow but I need to work out timing things with Shado so I'm requesting a few days lenience

kthx

Shoot how has it already been three weeks

Can we make it four

Idk, has it been three?  And what, we only have two matches done
Step it up guys

Sorry, I've been quite busy with things lately so I'll just forfeit to SlowPokemon to speed things up for the rest of ya.

BRUH
(This is an announcement to everyone)
It only takes like 10 minutes
We all got stuff to do and I know that, but it shouldn't be too hard to get a single game done every few weeks.  I'd like to be able to host a tourney again so if something about this isn't working how can we fix it?

this is nsm people can't manage time

But I mean really, ya'll had time to beat the story mode but can't manage this? As someone who wanted to host tournaments of other sorts I don't think that's a good idea anymore since more than half the matches are gonna be forfeits.

Hashtag tumbleweeds

I'm letting this die, then we're rolling out phase 2 next month
also I'm declaring myself the winner hahahah

RIP NinSunMoon

Yet another victim of the inactivity virus

Rounds last a week. No forfeiting. If a match isn't made by the deadline first player to make contact wins. Extensions can only be made if two players already have a set match date.

Quote from: FireArrow on May 12, 2017, 08:59:29 PMRounds last a week. No forfeiting. If a match isn't made by the deadline first player to make contact wins. Extensions can only be made if two players already have a set match date.

uhhhh
no
see that's just obnoxiously harsh and forces people to play pokemon when they may not want to

I was going to introduce a league system that allows you to play any number of matches with different players and keeps track of the match wins.  Each month the league would reset and the format would change as well.  The winner (probably) would choose the format for the next month.

If you don't want to play pokemon why the fuck would you join a pokemon tournament? Those are pretty standard rules too btw

"hmm yeah pokemon tournament sounds fun"
"I don't really feel like playing pokemon this week"
plus, strict rules means fewer people are interested in joining.  I think I'll make a new thread with a poll and go from there

If you're thinking like that you shouldn't join a tournament. If all of NSM thinks like that then we should just have a matchmaking thread. Imagine if people played TWG with that mind set (oh wait, they do .-.)