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THIS IS HUGE. Finally, after 4 months of suspense, I we finally know what games we're getting for Kirby games this year!! They are:

[3DS] Team Kirby Clash Deluxe

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/5nobk3bunv4905u/Team%20Kirby%20Clash%20Deluxe.png?dl=1)

Hey, look, we can finally fight Taranza head-on!

Given what happened to the original Kirby Fighters, this game is no surprise. Which means the next one is...

[3DS] Kirby's Blowout Blast

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3aiebvq7pdxdpoi/Kirby%27s%20Blowout%20Blast.png?dl=1)

If they were going to make an extension game for Team Kirby Clash, it's automatically a given that this would get its own as well. This one looks pretty good. We can finally prove those know-it-alls wrong and say that there is a 3D Kirby platformer now.

The next one is a mystery, yet still interesting. Title currently unknown.

[3DS] ? ? ?

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ooencg5a4akxi1n/Some%20New%20Kirby%20Game.png?dl=1)

So, what do you guys think? I for one am very excited for these three games, and I'm sure all of the other Kirby nerds here (where are they?) are as well. So please, let us launch into a Kirby's 25th Anniversary discussion.

Ooh these are pretty cool.

Also I think this should be in the Nintendo Board.

Righto. Can someone move this?

EDIT: Thanks, Dudeman!

Hmmm.... I think Taranza might be possessed.

Quote from: LeviR.star on April 12, 2017, 04:34:33 PMHmmm.... I think Taranza might be possessed.

The speculation in the comments of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g3VWOvlcGs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g3VWOvlcGs) is that "Taranza" is actually Queen Sectonia's original form before she parasitized that bee-wasp body. (Like Dedede's Drum Dash Deluxe, it's possible that Team Kirby Clash Deluxe assumes you know spoilers from the main game before the one where the mini-game originated from--Dedede's Drum Dash Deluxe contains two remixes of Magolor's last final boss theme (from Kirby's Return to Dream Land). To be fair, Kirby: Triple Deluxe reveals that Queen Sectonia is a parasite, but it isn't until Kirby: Planet Robobot that HAL Laboratory drops big hints about what her core body looks like.)

I'm predicting swell title screen music--this one from their last mini-game spin-off batch doesn't disappoint, IMO:

Team Kirby Clash Deluxe has been released, and yeah, I decided to expose myself to spoilers as usual:

Spoiler

• The speculation above was wrong--"Taranza" is actually Dark Taranza, not Queen Sectonia Core.
• "Taranza"'s boss theme sounds an awful lot like Taranza, Master of Puppetry (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyw295-z07Q), which itself distorts King Dedede's theme into a kind of tarantella. This fits, as the last time you fight "Taranza", it's apparently with King D-Mind...
• King D-Mind, the final boss of this game, looks like Shadow Dedede fused with Dark Mind and likely is. Shoot, how could Dark Mind have risen from the dead?!? Not to mention that his theme sounds like Masked Dedede's theme and Dark Mind's smashed together and played with jazz-like instrumentation...IMO, it's about as lighthearted as the final boss theme of Kirby Fighters Deluxe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPSQV7kT4PU).
• The spoilers I have read so far can neither confirm nor deny that Taranza and Dark Taranza are separate entities (or that Dark Taranza is from the Mirror World).
• Apparently, you also get to fight Parallel Landia and Parallel Susie.
• You know what this means--Team Kirby Clash Deluxe's OST has been partially spilled onto YouTube, including the boss themes mentioned above. Tread carefully.

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Quote from: Dekkadeci on April 13, 2017, 06:44:27 PMYou know what this means--Team Kirby Clash Deluxe's OST has been partially spilled onto YouTube, including the boss themes mentioned above. Tread carefully.

Can I have a link to that, Dekka? I've wanted to arrange "The Village".

Quote from: LeviR.star on April 13, 2017, 07:06:30 PMCan I have a link to that, Dekka? I've wanted to arrange "The Village".

I've put all the Team Kirby Clash OST(/high-quality rip) songs I could find in this spoiler:

Spoiler

• "Ordeal Boss (Orchestra)" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQhlcfRXPIs) (Sounds like an original enough theme to me)
• "Tougher Boss!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn6L8Aqk7Yc) (Heavy remix of "Dyna Blade's Theme"/Castle Lololo theme/Wham Bam Jewel's theme in Kirby Super Star Ultra)
• "Taranza"'s Boss Theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmpa8bFMfDg) (Resembles Taranza, Master of Puppetry (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyw295-z07Q), also quotes Green Greens)
• King D-Mind's Boss Theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGHPXmsWP-Y) (Double remix of Masked Dedede's theme and Dark Mind's theme)

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Sorry, I can't find "The Village" right now.

Quote from: Dekkadeci on April 13, 2017, 08:51:42 PMI've put all the Team Kirby Clash OST(/high-quality rip) songs I could find in this spoiler:

Spoiler

• "Ordeal Boss (Orchestra)" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQhlcfRXPIs) (Sounds like an original enough theme to me)
• "Tougher Boss!" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn6L8Aqk7Yc) (Heavy remix of "Dyna Blade's Theme"/Castle Lololo theme/Wham Bam Jewel's theme in Kirby Super Star Ultra)
• "Taranza"'s Boss Theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmpa8bFMfDg) (Resembles Taranza, Master of Puppetry (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyw295-z07Q), also quotes Green Greens)
• King D-Mind's Boss Theme (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGHPXmsWP-Y) (Double remix of Masked Dedede's theme and Dark Mind's theme)

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Sorry, I can't find "The Village" right now.

Thanks, Dekka! (It's weird... periodically, every hour yesterday I searched YouTube for OST and found nothing... but thanks! :D)

Found it! Mura Half (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9BgRDKl_o)

Also, I have a prediction... the trailer stated that the upcoming game is a multiplayer action game for 3DS... given that it's an action game, and Dark Mind was hinted in Team Kirby Clash Deluxe, could it possibly be a sequel to this??

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Vector Harbor is high-quality ripping the closest I've seen to the full OST of Team Kirby Clash Deluxe here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVgs2_nwSMduYzdfcd-IumQ/videos).
OST and actual boss theme notes so far:

Spoiler

• It's hilarious how the closest you can get to Magolor's theme plays when you shop at Magolor's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EqQ0uUn2xU). (Rumour is that the base song is named "Magolor, the Wayfarer".)
• Cool, there's an orchestration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7iC_S7pIDc) of the Sphere Doomer theme from Kirby's Return to Dream Land!
• Apparently, HAL Laboratory is willing to remix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9DF8bQzI0U) cutscene incidental music.
• According to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJusK910GaI, Landia's original theme comes back when you fight Landia, Greater Doomer at least gets that Sphere Doomer theme orchestration, and "Taranza" is initially labelled as plain old Taranza and is fought to Revenge of the Enemy (Kirby: Triple Deluxe's comeback boss theme) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wvlK0vujGM) the first time you fight him.
• According to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKWhQ9qwMHw, Parallel Susie gets the Sphere Doomer remix as her boss theme. Given that Greater Doomer also gets that theme, maybe it's the "Theme For Those Who Came Through Another Dimension"? Meanwhile, Parallel Landia gets...ROBOBOT HALBERD MODE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMHk9oRHPn0) for a boss theme!?! ...OK, this game is making less and less flavour sense.

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Now with character/storyline spoilers:

Spoiler

• According to this (https://youtu.be/d5NKduFI-Z0?t=1h19m), we've finally probably learned Landia's gender--he's male.
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKWhQ9qwMHw and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG6Z3gdyCp8 confirm that Taranza (the "Taranza" you fight first who's stuck with Revenge of the Enemy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wvlK0vujGM)) and Dark Taranza (the "Taranza" you fight second who gets that "Taranza, Master of Puppetry"-like theme) are separate entities. Taranza was corrupted by the quasi-Dimensional Mirror that resembles Dark Mind (I'll call it the "D-Mirror" from now on as a placeholder name) and eventually summoned Dark Taranza from that mirror. After Team Kirby beats King D-Mind, Taranza stops being corrupted and returns to his normal coloration.
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKWhQ9qwMHw shows that, after Dark Taranza is defeated, he summons the D-Mirror and King D-Mind. King D-Mind won't take "I didn't beat Team Kirby" as an answer and smashes him to kingdom come. Given what happened to Dark Meta Knight, I bet Dark Taranza will survive this.
• As a twist on what happened in Dededetour, Team Kirby smashes King D-Mind right into the D-Mirror after they defeat him for good, breaking it on entry. ...And according to the story panels after the credits, he survives this, too.
• The spoilers so far can neither confirm nor deny that Kirby is dreaming all this and King D-Mind may not actually exist. For a so-called "a long time ago", Magolor showing up in any form looks pretty dang suspicious to me.
• Likewise, the spoilers so far can neither confirm nor deny that Parallel Landia is the same entity as Landia (EX), and likewise about whether Parallel Susie is the same entity as Susie. At any rate, Parallel Landia got deranged because he succumbed to the Master Crown.

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Quote from: LeviR.star on April 14, 2017, 01:40:29 PMFound it! Mura Half (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9BgRDKl_o)

Also, I have a prediction... the trailer stated that the upcoming game is a multiplayer action game for 3DS... given that it's an action game, and Dark Mind was hinted in Team Kirby Clash Deluxe, could it possibly be a sequel to this??

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The definition of "action game" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_game) is so vague that all I can come up with myself are shoddy predictions:

• It won't be a fighting game because there would too much overlap with Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and Kirby Fighters Deluxe otherwise.
• It won't be a real-time strategy game, a multiplayer online battle arena game, a hero shooter game (a la Overwatch), or any other type of game where Nintendo would need to host multiplayer servers.
• I can't imagine a full Kirby shooter yet.
• I can't imagine a full Kirby rhythm action game yet. (Man, I'd expect Dance Dance Revolution Mario Mix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_Dance_Revolution_Mario_Mix) quality music out of it, though, and I like that soundtrack a lot.)
• I guess there could be a Kirby maze game, but I'm not counting on that, either.
• One of the most likely types of action game left is the beat-'em-up.
• A platformer is the most typical option that HAL Laboratory would create for a new Kirby game, but due to the wording of that announcement, I'm praying it's not yet another one.

So I'm praying and hoping for a beat-'em-up at this rate, especially since Kirby platformers already start to look like beat-'em-ups, but a platformer would be usual news.

In the meantime, I can't even properly predict whether it'll be a spin-off like Kirby and the Rainbow Curse or a main series game like Kirby: Planet Robobot.

Silly predictions

• If it's a main series game, I'm predicting that the True Arena theme from Kirby Super Star Ultra will return (just like it did in Kirby: Triple Deluxe and didn't in Kirby's Return to Dream Land and Kirby: Planet Robobot), but Galacta Knight and his theme won't (just like he showed up in Kirby's Return to Dream Land and Kirby: Planet Robobot but not in Kirby: Triple Deluxe).
• If HAL Laboratory messes up and produces yet another fighting game somehow, I predict King Dedede, Meta Knight, and Bandana Waddle Dee will be playable characters. Heck, if they actually do end up hosting multiplayer servers for their new game, I also predict that those 3 characters will be playable.

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Welp, according to HAL Laboratory PR Satoshi Ishida on Miiverse, if this official translation from https://miiverse.nintendo.net/replies/AYMHAAADAAB2V0gMySQ9WA is accurate, the winter "action game" is in fact a fighting game:

Quote from: Satoshi IshidaAs for upcoming games, we're going to let Kirby loose in a 3D world this summer in Kirby's Blowout Blast, and we're also planning an action fighting game for next winter. There are going to be lots of games to celebrate Kirby's 25th anniversary, so I hope you're excited!" That was all! I bet you're all intrigued by Kirby's Blowout Blast and this new action fighting game in the winter.

Stuffing the Japanese version through Google Translate gives me this, which further implies that the new game is not a platformer:

Quote from: Satoshi Ishida, translatedAhead of this, in the summer, Kirby will spin around the 3D space "Kirby's Petit Campaign", and in the winter a match-up game will be released.  Kirby's 25th anniversary is full of game software, so please do expect!  It was that it was.  I also care about 'Kirby's Petit Campaign' and the competition action games scheduled for winter.

Here's hoping it won't be Kirby Fighters Deluxe 2.0--that would get stale quickly.

Now I'll be using this earlier prediction:

Quote from: Dekkadeci on April 14, 2017, 04:35:32 PMIf HAL Laboratory messes up and produces yet another fighting game somehow, I predict King Dedede, Meta Knight, and Bandana Waddle Dee will be playable characters. Heck, if they actually do end up hosting multiplayer servers for their new game, I also predict that those 3 characters will be playable.

So... not a platformer this winter?

Guys, this is huge. You may already know that I love the Mass Attack design of Swordsman Dark Matter,

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kvs7uN_VGzo/hqdefault.jpg)

and was much displeased with the design of the revival in Planet Robobot,

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wix7jlkbkl4/maxresdefault.jpg)

mainly because:

- his eye is the wrong color/shape
- his "hair" isn't dark purple anymore
- his jewelry is missing
- his sword used the design from his Dream Land 2 artwork instead of Mass Attack's sprites...

(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOvWJwOv.png&hash=fe73f3dc056937575bdb4fc8edda3e3fb0c75526)

- and the confusion of his sword being the Rainbow Sword, or at least a duplicate (Note: The Rainbow Sword has never received official game artwork)

BUT LOOK AT THESE!!

(https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/1/14/ArmorSw8.png/revision/latest?cb=20170418031024&path-prefix=en)

(https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/f/f0/Sw8.png/revision/latest?cb=20170415042258&path-prefix=en)

His iris is no longer yellow (or black, but at least it's dark purple/indigo), the whiteness has returned, and the shape is fixed (though the Mass Attack design bore more similarity to that of a ring & Dream Land 2's artwork & sprites.) The chest plate seems to have been changed to a scarf. Plus, the sword (while no longer all dark purple) isn't the same as the Planet Robobot model. It's entirely new, while just very similar to that of Mass Attack's sprites. Not the entirety of what I wanted to have fixed, but still satisfying.

My conclusion? The design changes in Planet Robobot were to signify the fact that he was just a clone, and has been absent from a traditional platformer for some time now.

I didn't know Dark Matter was in Planet Robobot. Where in the game is he? I thought I completed the game 100%.

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 22, 2017, 12:47:09 PMI didn't know Dark Matter was in Planet Robobot. Where in the game is he? I thought I completed the game 100%.

Uh... Meta Knightmare Returns? As a clone? And two stickers of him?

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 22, 2017, 12:47:09 PMI didn't know Dark Matter was in Planet Robobot. Where in the game is he? I thought I completed the game 100%.

He's part of the gauntlet of final battles during Meta Knightmare Returns, and can also be fought as Kirby in The True Arena after completion of said mode.

...you have played through the True Arena, right?

Quote from: Dudeman on April 22, 2017, 02:05:00 PM...you have played through the True Arena, right?

I don't remember. It's been awhile.

I haven't because my 3DS always freezes right before the final phase of the final boss and I can never beat the game :(

Quote from: LeviR.star on April 22, 2017, 11:19:39 AMMy conclusion? The design changes in Planet Robobot were to signify the fact that he was just a clone, and has been absent from a traditional platformer for some time now.

This seems to be lampshaded in Kirby: Planet Robobot's Meta Knightmare Returns mode itself, where pause screen descriptions admit that Star Dream couldn't analyze Dark Matter well enough to convincingly replicate it.

(In the meantime, Star Dream was good enough to not only replicate Queen Sectonia's outer body, it also probably replicated her core parasite body well enough to control the outer body just like the late queen did. However, it seems like Galacta Knight is enough parts fluke of luck and nurture that Star Dream figures that teleporting him instead of attempting to replicate him is the best option.)

I just love the throwback to Kirby Super Star with Star Dream. Even better, Star Dream Soul OS. That one even has the same color scheme as Galactic Nova. Ah... Kirby Super Star... Now those were the days.

someone tell me, how is kirby clash deluxe

i want kirby spinoffs but also like... i hate """free""" games with in-game purchases with a burning passion that words cannot describe

Quote from: Altissimo on April 23, 2017, 06:59:44 AMi want kirby spinoffs but also like... i hate """free""" games with in-game purchases with a burning passion that words cannot describe

It's not that kind of free game. It's actually free. The only in-game purchases are for stuff you can get naturally by playing the game. It's a pretty good game.

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 23, 2017, 08:40:08 AMThe only in-game purchases are for stuff you can get naturally by playing the game. It's a pretty good game.

yeah but so are a lot of """"""""""free"""""""""" games. i know the game itself is literally free but it tricks you into making purchases by being easier to win that way

Quote from: Altissimo on April 23, 2017, 08:44:24 AMyeah but so are a lot of """"""""""free"""""""""" games. i know the game itself is literally free but it tricks you into making purchases by being easier to win that way

I've been playing it without a single purchase. The only reason you would need to make a purchase is if you're impatient.

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 23, 2017, 08:46:03 AMThe only reason you would need to make a purchase is if you're impatient.

exactly and the game is set up in such a way so as to make you impatient

Quote from: Altissimo on April 23, 2017, 08:48:46 AMexactly and the game is set up in such a way so as to make you impatient

I am the most impatient person I know and I haven't gotten impatient without purchases. Really, if you want it, get it. Just don't buy anything if you don't want to spend money. It's not that hard. Just don't press the buy button.

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 23, 2017, 08:56:13 AMJust don't buy anything if you don't want to spend money. It's not that hard. Just don't press the buy button.

lol thats not the issue but whatever i dont think you get my point

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 23, 2017, 08:56:13 AMI am the most impatient person I know and I haven't gotten impatient.

I'm pretty sure this was your point, right? Being impatient. Thinking the game's not worth getting. It is worth getting. It's very fun.

no that is not my point

my point is that i am strongly opposed to this free-to-start model of the game because it is insidious in that it encourages you to make in-game purchases. I do not want to make in-game purchases. I want to play the fucking game at my own pace and this model discourages that kind of playing. Yes I can just "not click the button" as you said (as though I need to need to be instructed on how to responsibly spend money though) but that is not the problem. The problem is not about impatience or responsible spending, the problem is about the goddamn principle of the thing, which is why I was asking if it is worth it because I'd only play such a game if I felt it was worth my time regardless. I never picked up the free-to-start Pokémon mobile games even though they looked like fun because I hate free-to-start games that goddamn much. They are specifically designed to frustrate you as a gamer and not through difficulty but through making you wish to purchase to move things faster and I cannot fucking stand that sort of sneakiness.

Does that help? Does that explain it?

There's a difference between free-to-start games and free games with in-game purchases. Free-to-start games are like demos on steroids. You get a partial game, but can't play the full game without purchases. Free games with in-game purchases are full games that have the option to buy in-game items or currency to help speed things up if you don't like waiting. In short, Team Kirby Clash Deluxe is a free game with in-game purchases, not a free-to-start game. I hate free-to-start games, too.

tbh i consider it all the same in how much i hate it.

Quote from: Altissimo on April 23, 2017, 09:18:00 AMtbh i consider it all the same

There's a pretty big difference. One is a low-down, dirty way to milk people of their money. The other is a not-as-cheap way to get money, but at least isn't necessary to be able to play the whole game.

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 23, 2017, 09:20:15 AMThere's a pretty big difference. One is a low-down, dirty way to milk people of their money. The other is a not-as-cheap way to get money, but at least isn't necessary to be able to play the whole game.

i edited it to say i consider it the same in how much i hate it

Quote from: Altissimo on April 23, 2017, 09:21:24 AMi edited it to say i consider it the same in how much i hate it

All free games nowadays have in-game purchases. You're gonna have to let that go if you ever want to enjoy games like Team Kirby Clash Deluxe.

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 23, 2017, 09:22:52 AMAll free games nowadays have in-game purchases. You're gonna have to let that go if you ever want to enjoy games like Team Kirby Clash Deluxe.

thanks

I would rather pay 40 bucks up front for a game than be boredomed into spending any money at all

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 23, 2017, 09:26:59 AMI would rather pay 40 bucks up front for a game than be boredomed into spending any money at all

this

My actual gaming has been reduced to smartphone games and Magic: The Gathering (and the very occasional online game on a webpage). I've been getting exclusively free-to-play games with in-game purchases for at least the past year, and I haven't paid a cent for any of them. (Ah, beating Peggle Blast without spending anything on it...)

You can argue that the in-game purchase model is manipulative, but I've once read that such games actually make the majority of their money from the scant few who sink thousands of dollars into such games, and the majority of players make 1 or fewer purchase (involving money) per game.

Ignoring magic (which deserves every penny of my wallet) and league(which doesn't, but my friends do), my original point stands.  Freemium games aren't necessarily manipulative, but a majority of them are meant to significantly hinder gameplay experience unless you do purchase stuff.  And if you're willing to make purchases, you make lots of purchases.  Like those people you mentioned who spend thousands of dollars on a free game.  Let's use clash of clans as an example.  Probably one of the top 5 or 10 most successful games with this model.  The core gameplay of clash of clans is definitely fun.  Build an army and attack with it, keep your village safe.  At some point being able to keep up with the level you've reached becomes boring.  You have to wait days or even a week to upgrade an object that took days or weeks to save enough money for.  That's why most people you know who used to play clash don't anymore.  It's just not fun after a time.  Some games with the freemium model aren't fun right off the bat.  And you can argue about the ethics of it all day long but at some point you have to admit time and money are both resources and one is more valuable than the other.  THAT'S how they trap you.  Not manipulation.  Hey you wanna play this game?  Well, play is a bit of a strong word, but you get to open the app sometimes.
Most people I know would rather pay the money upfront for a guaranteed purchase than start free and pay to increase fun.
Incidentally, this is my beef with paid DLC.  Most of the time it's either not worth purchasing (smash) or a really freaking good deal (mk8) but there are some stinkers...

Edit: oops bleheheheehe text wall
Also I should mention that if you want to play comp smash you're forced to buy the DLC because bayonetta and corrin are top tier so you need to know how to play them

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on April 23, 2017, 09:22:52 AMAll free games nowadays have in-game purchases. You're gonna have to let that go if you ever want to enjoy games like Team Kirby Clash Deluxe.

see saying this should hurt violently
"If you want to enjoy a free game, you have to pay for some fun features" ew

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 23, 2017, 02:10:29 PM"If you want to enjoy a free game, you have to pay for some fun features"

That's not what I meant. I meant, "If you want to enjoy a free game, you have to get over the fact that it offers purchasable content".

Oh I see.  Then ignore that part.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lXoHzIPd-kOW83JnHovZONt9qWvHdjmmDiGVaWTu77Y/edit?usp=sharing


So even if you get all the heroic mission apples, you'll still have needed 10143 more...

So by harvesting efficiently, you can, in theory, get 3 apples twice a day, so it'll take about 1691 days to 100% the game without paying anything.

Being patient doesn't seem possible with that amount of time...

thats literally something like 5 straight years, fuck that shit

Quote from: Dude on April 24, 2017, 08:39:12 PMhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lXoHzIPd-kOW83JnHovZONt9qWvHdjmmDiGVaWTu77Y/edit?usp=sharing


So even if you get all the heroic mission apples, you'll still have needed 10143 more...

So by harvesting efficiently, you can, in theory, get 3 apples twice a day, so it'll take about 1691 days to 100% the game without paying anything.

Being patient doesn't seem possible with that amount of time...

Thank you, Dude, for proving my point that waiting isn't going to be worth it.

(How long did making that chart take you? Good gosh.)

Not mine, found it on gamefaqs.

HAPPY 25TH ANNIVERSARY, KIRBY!!

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Great news, guys! According to the official Kirby website, Kracko Jr. will be making a return in Kirby's Blowout Blast! This is significant, because he hasn't been seen as a 3D model yet; his last appearance was in Mass Attack in Strato Patrol EOS, and in Super Star Ultra he made his last standard battle appearance. Go Kracko Jr.!

(https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby/images/e/eb/MiniKrack.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/200?cb=20080922005955&path-prefix=en)

HAL Laboratory staff talks about "that one other game" again in Miiverse posts like https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAADAAB2V0gShr38Ug (emphasis mine):

Quote from: Satoshi Ishida bringing a quote from Shinya KumazakiAnd to mark this auspicious occasion, we have no less than three new Kirby games for you to enjoy! The free-to-start Team Kirby Clash Deluxe co-op action game came out just recently, and this summer we're getting Kirby's Blowout Blast, the first genuine 3D action game in the series. On top of that, we have a new fighting action game due this holiday!

They still insist it's a new fighting action game.

A cheeky comment of mine (item in square brackets is for clarification and is not in the actual Miiverse post):

Quote from: Satoshi Ishida bringing a quote from Shinya KumazakiAfter you finish the game [Team Kirby Clash Deluxe], incidentally, a certain someone shows up in the village, looking like quite the reformed character. Why not have a look for yourself!

it's Magolor he finally found his good suit

Quote from: Dekkadeci on May 08, 2017, 06:34:35 PMThey still insist it's a new fighting action game.

Hey! Here's an idea: what if it's a fighting game with a roster closer to the size of those of the Super Smash Bros. games? We could have everyone from Swordsman Dark Matter from Dream Land 2 to Gryll from Super Star Stacker! It would be awesome!

Quote from: LeviR.star on May 12, 2017, 12:34:51 PMHey! Here's an idea: what if it's a fighting game with a roster closer to the size of those of the Super Smash Bros. games? We could have everyone from Swordsman Dark Matter from Dream Land 2 to Gryll from Super Star Stacker! It would be awesome!

I suspect half that roster would be filled with versions of Kirby with different copy abilities, if Kirby Fighters Deluxe is any indication.

Well, here's my predictions so far for the roster and stages, assuming it doesn't turn out like "Quick Draw"/"Samurai Kirby" (the Japanese translations come out like "match-up game"):

• Bandana Waddle Dee will be a starter character.
• All versions of Kirby will be starter characters.
• I'm pegging the odds that King Dedede will be an unlockable character at around 50% and a starter character at around 50%.
• I'm pegging the odds that Meta Knight will be an unlockable character at around 50% and a starter character at around 50%.
• I predict Magolor has 60% or more odds of being a playable character. I suspect he'll be one of the first characters you unlock, but there's a good chance he could be a starter character instead.
• I predict Taranza has around 45% odds of being a playable character. He will never be a starter character, though.
• I'm stuck pegging Susie at around 25% odds of being a playable character. She will never be a starter character.
• Galacta Knight will be the last character you unlock. He will never be a starter character.
• Dark Meta Knight will not be a playable character. There might be a Meta Knight alternate costume that looks like him, though...
• Landia will not be a playable character. He will act like Ridley does in Super Smash Bros. games.
• Dyna Blade will not be a playable character. She will act like Ridley does in Super Smash Bros. games.
• 02(/Zero-Two/etc.) will not be a playable character. I'm pegging the odds that he's a Ridley-like obstacle at around 33%.
• I predict you can fight in Another Dimension, the Halberd, the Mirror World, the Lor Starcutter, and Floralia, among other places. (I'm not so sure about Seventopia.)
• This prediction is based on the tier lists of Super Smash Bros. (https://www.ssbwiki.com/Tier_list): Meta Knight will be top-tier to borderline broken. (Ergo, Galacta Knight will be pretty close to him in the tier list.)

Kirby's Blowout Blast is getting released on July 4, 2017 in Japan and July 6, 2017 elsewhere! Time to raid the plot and music then...

Quote from: Dekkadeci on July 01, 2017, 11:30:15 AMKirby's Blowout Blast is getting released on July 4, 2017 in Japan and July 6, 2017 elsewhere! Time to raid the plot and music then...

After the long trips I've been having lately, I've had the time to make it to level 40 in Team Kirby Clash Deluxe. Still only on Rarity 7 with gear, though.

Kirby's Blowout Blast spoilers below, although there are reasons why I've ended up not posting them for so long...

Spoiler

• This game resembles Kirby's Dream Land and therefore the "Spring Breeze" sub-game of Kirby Super Star a LOT.
• Like those two (sub-)games above, Kirby has no copy abilities, enough of the bosses come back, enough of the old school enemies come back...
• Even worse, you fight some bosses multiple times (a la Kirby and the Rainbow Curse)!
• IMO, it's bad news that one of the most innovative features in the closest this game has to a plot is (Giant) Masked Dedede coming back.
• Even the music comes back--tons of this game's OST is remixed from the OST of Kirby's Dream Land. The Giant Masked Dedede theme combines the Masked Dedede theme and the Team Kirby Clash Deluxe version of the Castle Lololo/Dyna Blade theme.
• In case you couldn't tell, Giant Masked Dedede is (the last stage of) the true final boss. Man, am I having Kirby's Dream Land flashbacks in a bad way...
• Well, at least some songs from later than the very first Kirby game show up, too...at least when you place Amiibos nearby...

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Just started playing Clash Deluxe today and wow four Beam Mages together really do break the game

Except the ai is an idiot so it doesn't really break it

Three and a hammer or sword is so that you can actually do damage while time is stopped

I've been playing on my brother's ds

Welp, we finally know what the next Kirby game is.


Putting it simply, Kirby Fighters Deluxe, Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and Kirby's Blowout Blast all rolled into one. I dunno what to think about this one.

Thoughts?

Ouch, this prediction was more correct than I thought it would be:

Quote from: Dekkadeci on May 12, 2017, 04:56:18 PMI suspect half that roster would be filled with versions of Kirby with different copy abilities, if Kirby Fighters Deluxe is any indication.

Looks like the chance that King Dedede and Meta Knight will be unlockable instead of playable from the start just skyrocketed, and now there's a fair chance that only versions of Kirby will be playable in this game (although please, please stuff an unarmoured Meta Knight reference in the roster at least).

Regarding Kirby Battle Royale:

Quote from: Dekkadeci on September 14, 2017, 11:13:39 AMLooks like the chance that King Dedede and Meta Knight will be unlockable instead of playable from the start just skyrocketed, and now there's a fair chance that only versions of Kirby will be playable in this game (although please, please stuff an unarmoured Meta Knight reference in the roster at least).

I happily eat some of my words.

According to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN52fJ3kark&feature=youtu.be&t=334, Bandana Waddle Dee is playable. Dunno whether you unlock him in Story Mode or something.
According to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-yGIRD80MA (the Kirby Battle Royale demo trailer), Meta Knight is playable as long as you load demo save data into the true game. Not 100% sure whether the developers know he's overpowered in this game, what with the Meta Knight player's name in the trailer being "Easy Win" and all.

In the meantime, funny I said this before:

Quote from: Dekkadeci on April 14, 2017, 04:35:32 PMOne of the most likely types of action game left is the beat-'em-up.

As of right now, the Wikipedia article on Kirby Battle Royale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby_Battle_Royale) says it's a beat-'em-up/brawler. And no, I've still never edited Wikipedia. Especially that article.

...Oh yeah, the demo for Kirby Battle Royale is out:
Highlights for me:

• The title theme of Kirby Fighters Deluxe is used as battle music (clear enough at 2:45). Heck yeah!
• The storyline looks like fluff, as King Dedede hosts a "Dedede Cake Royale" and offers "the cake of your dreams" as the grand prize.
• Story Mode involves playing more mini-games than just the Battle Arena.
• Dunno how important Dark Blue Kirby will get, although since he shows up in the trailers as a separate entity from Meta Knight, he, his colouration, and his seeming importance are probably just a sly wink and nod to Meta Knight's fame.

Well, here's me and my Story Mode speculation for the full Kirby Battle Royale:

• At some point, Kirby's stuck duelling Bandana Waddle Dee in a game of...uh...I dunno. I'd prefer that they get the battle out of the way relatively early into Story Mode, and that you unlock Bandana Waddle Dee as a playable character immediately afterwards.
• My strongest prediction is that Kirby fights Robo Bonkers in Story Mode (somewhere in the middle). Come on, there's an entire mini-game revolving around this guy...
• It seems less likely now, but part of me suspects that Kirby has to fight King Dedede in the Battle Arena near the end of Story Mode. Kirby gets to fully dictate what cake he wants if (when) he wins, and there's no way the castle can deny his request. ...Which will likely turn out disastrously given Kirby's food preferences...
• ...Except that gets interrupted when King Dedede finds that another certain dark blue Kirby look-alike has crashed the tournament. Unfortunately, he's pretty good at fighting and mini-games, and now Kirby has to duel him for the prize in the Battle Arena. You guessed it--it's Kirby vs. Meta Knight. Maybe if you're too unlucky to import demo save data, you can unlock Meta Knight this way...

...And maybe King Dedede can be unlocked if you put a King Dedede Amiibo near the game. I dunno.

So Kirby Battle Royale already came out. Storyline spoilers inside:

Spoiler

• King Dedede's got a Kirby Printer, which spews out (probably inferior) different-coloured duplicates of Kirby with copy abilities already equipped, but possibly without the capability to eject copy abilities and absorb new ones. Guess this printer doesn't make Waddle Dees for some reason.
• Kind of like King Dedede getting a magic fire hammer in Kirby: Triple Deluxe, Bandana Waddle Dee's got a magic water parasol.
• Kirby's gotta slog through multiple Leagues' worth of competitors.
• Meta Knight managed to get to the Gold League before figuring he wants a real challenge and commits competitive suicide by challenging Kirby (and Bandana Waddle Dee). He's accompanied by Axe Knight for the tournament. Meta Knight says he joined the tournament to test his strength and possibly get stronger.
• King Dedede seemingly wants to continue his rivalry with Kirby, so he's the last competitor before Kirby can win cake. The king gets pretty salty and angry to boot.
• King Dedede eventually pilots a Robo Bonkers-like mech called Dededestroyer Z. Kirby still defeats him, though. Bandana Waddle Dee does help out by pushing in a sparkly cannon, though.
• Kirby actually does accept the initial cake as a prize instead of asking for a bigger cake.
• Meta Knight reports earlier that "These (Kirby) copies are pathetic." This might actually have been foreshadowing--when the Kirby Printer explodes after Kirby blows up Dededestroyer Z, all the Kirby copies it created explode soon afterwards.

Turns out that the playable character roster consists of versions of Kirby with different copy abilities, a random Waddle Dee with a magic water parasol, Meta Knight, and King Dedede. Now for a tier list to sort itself out....

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