TWG Numerals: Jailhouse Rock
6+ Player setup.
Game begins on a day phase, but unique to this game is players do not get lynched. Each day, players choose someone to throw in jail. If a human is jailed, they stay the night in jail and then is released at the beginning of the next day phase. If a mafia member is successfully jailed, they are not released. While a player is in jail, they may only communicate via forum PM. Out of thread communication is not allowed during this game otherwise.
The humans win when both mafia members have successfully been jailed. The mafia win when all humans have been blackmailed or thrown in jail.
1. Mafia Godfather- When thrown in jail, gets released as though he is a Vanilla Human. If the Mafia Strongman is already in jail, the Humans win instead.
2. Mafia Strongman- Each night, can choose up to one non-Mafia player to Blackmail. The blackmailed player is unable to vote for the remainder of the game. The blackmailed player will be revealed publicly.
3. Jailkeeper- The jailkeeper does not know who he is and cannot be thrown in jail. If he would be thrown in jail, instead nobody is thrown in jail.
4. Vanilla Human
5. Vanilla Human
6. Vanilla Human
Players:
1. ShyYoshiGuy
2. Toby
3. Nana1Popo2
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. BrainyLucario
6. Trasdegi
Role PMs are going out. At 6:00 PM CST, it will be Day 1. Day 1 ends in 48 hours, at 6:00 PM CST on Monday, August 13.
It is now Day 1. Day 1 ends in 48 hours, at 6:00 PM CST on Monday, August 13.
Hi
Communication never dies with a player this game... unless they're strongman I guess.
Jailing the mafia strongman means there are no more blackmails which is super good.
Jailing the mafia godfather before then though may make us believe they are a "confirmed" human and they slide by
Bit awkward
I assume mafia can't blackmail themselves?
Whop babba lumma buhlomplomplmp tutti frutti, oh R...
wait, wrong 50s song
I'll be gone for most of tomorrow, unfortunately.
I suppose we have to keep throwing someone in jail every night until we discover the Jailkeeper or Strongman.
No knowledge will really become apparent until then; it will all be suspicion based on the chat here. (And also, im very much looking forward to this game--to see if it really will make a difference with no out-of-thread coms)
Let's get talking, then. We can just choose someone to start with? What have we got to lose? If they refuse, it'd be easy to suspect Strongman (depending on timing). If they don't, then at least we have a chance of catching the Jailkeeper.
Quote from: Toby on August 11, 2018, 06:24:37 PMI assume mafia can't blackmail themselves?
Quote from: mikey on August 11, 2018, 05:52:13 PMEach night, can choose up to one non-Mafia player to Blackmail.
Also can someone clarify this to me? Like, the difference between the two sentences.
"While a player is in jail, they may only communicate via forum PM. Out of thread communication is not allowed during this game otherwise."
For me, first sentence means a jailed player can send pms, but can't post. Second sentence means there's no discord and no pms except the first sentence case.
Thanks for not giving me a notification on discord Mikey. Anyhoo, I'm here now.
Also this game is currently sad post wise I know we only have six player but cmon people
i'm dead inside tired
Where's shy guy at
Maybe we should ping on discord?
I would like to jail trasdegi
He seems interested and excited in this game and that lines up with how he typically is when he gets a wolf role
Thoughts?
Quote from: Toby on August 13, 2018, 12:59:38 AMHe seems interested and excited in this game
...no? I only posted once to say my opinion over a question, and basically just show I'm alive.
Lol.
I know. I like your reaction.
Idk what else to talk about everyone else is being quiet.
Bds offered like nothing but did say he would be busy
Nana seemed really into it but as since not said anything, maybe just due to the inactivity of everyone else
Quote from: Toby on August 13, 2018, 06:56:21 AMLol.
I know. I like your reaction.
Idk what else to talk about everyone else is being quiet.
Bds offered like nothing but did say he would be busy
Nana seemed really into it but as since not said anything, maybe just due to the inactivity of everyone else
were you actually trying to capitalize on inactivity to try and get people to sheep your tras accusation
that's so scummy
Hello. I'm alive. There's nothing really to discuss yet. We all claim human, right? Good.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 13, 2018, 01:21:03 PMwere you actually trying to capitalize on inactivity to try and get people to sheep your tras accusation
that's so scummy
Wtf no
1. I didn't even vote which I usually do if I'm serious
2. I asked for thoughts which I usually don't care for if I'm confident in something
Idk what ass you're pulling that from but welcome to the game
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 13, 2018, 02:10:14 PMHello. I'm alive. There's nothing really to discuss yet. We all claim human, right? Good.
There's always something to discuss. Using that as an excuse to not say something isn't very helpful
Quote from: Toby on August 13, 2018, 02:45:54 PMWtf no
1. I didn't even vote which I usually do if I'm serious
2. I asked for thoughts which I usually don't care for if I'm confident in something
Idk what ass you're pulling that from but welcome to the game
Quote from: Toby on August 13, 2018, 12:59:38 AMI would like to jail trasdegi
He seems interested and excited in this game and that lines up with how he typically is when he gets a wolf role
Thoughts?
quit tryna fookin backpedal m8
Ooookay I think I need to extend the phase
Another 24 hours
Guys come on
sorry
But, as for Toby, I don't know what you were expecting or why you're trying to pass that off as a reaction test (before you claim it wasn't, you specifically said "I know. I like your reaction."). If you're a human, you should know that that type of reaction test is basically useless and you learn absolutely nothing from it. However, if you're a wolf, you either encourage people to sheep on a Tras jailing, or have the ability to go "lol i was just joking" if you get called out for it.
this is basic stuff man you should know this
LOL
1. I see no back-pedalling so whatever
2. It was a reaction test yes. As a wolf I would see him being less defensive and less confrontational with reacting with 'ok... (in agreement = less confrontational), however that's not suspicious because...'. As a human he is able to feel more flexible in being able to create confrontation and say, as he did, 'no. That's not what happened'.
I got what I wanted from Tras, and I also got to see how others reacted to it. You using it against me is odd when you know it's common I reaction test, but you're odd in general so w/e.
3. If I'm a wolf I make plays I won't get called out on, saying tras came into the topic excited to play when he clearly isn't and only made 1 post does not follow that.
4. If I wanted to lead the jailing I would lead it on someone who could maybe establish a bit of trust as the game goes on, as the game is quiet now getting a harder jail target now is ideal. Tras generally doesn't talk much, and that makes him more suspicious as the game goes on, there are easier more valuable targets if that was my intention
Quote from: Toby on August 13, 2018, 05:30:48 PMLOL
1. I see no back-pedalling so whatever
i mean it's blatantly there so whatever
Quote2. It was a reaction test yes. As a wolf I would see him being less defensive and less confrontational with reacting with 'ok... (in agreement = less confrontational), however that's not suspicious because...'. As a human he is able to feel more flexible in being able to create confrontation and say, as he did, 'no. That's not what happened'.
I got what I wanted from Tras, and I also got to see how others reacted to it. You using it against me is odd when you know it's common I reaction test, but you're odd in general so w/e.
look
regardless of his role tras would have said what he said
your claimed "reaction test" is of no value to anybody
hence what i said
Quote3. If I'm a wolf I make plays I won't get called out on, saying tras came into the topic excited to play when he clearly isn't and only made 1 post does not follow that.
:morton2:
Quote4. If I wanted to lead the jailing I would lead it on someone who could maybe establish a bit of trust as the game goes on, as the game is quiet now getting a harder jail target now is ideal. Tras generally doesn't talk much, and that makes him more suspicious as the game goes on, there are easier more valuable targets if that was my intention
tras is literally the perfect choice to make a false lead on
He:
1. Has something you could potentially pick up on that would appeal to someone who's not really active or otherwise invested in the game (the "Oh! Tras is always more excited to play when he's a wolf" thing, even if a more active player would obviously see how untrue that was; pretty much, you counted on people not being active enough to call you out on it, and yes, play as a wolf does tend to differ in active games vs. inactive games).
2: Is the perfectly blend of inconspicuous and vague enough to almost always be a potential suspicion.
Toby, just in case it wasn't clear enough.
Also, as a human, you probably wouldn't say "You using it against me is odd," you'd admit that what you did was weak but that you were trying to stimulate activity or something idk. My only worry right now is that Toby could be the Mafia Godfather (that might explain his outrageous play and over-the-top reactions as trying to get himself jailed), but I think it's worth jailing him anyway just in case he's the Strongman.
also i am making an active effort to say jail/jailed/jailing instead of lynch/lynched/lynching but it's a struggle
Like I mentioned, it really shouldn't matter to literally everyone except the Strongman if they get jailed or not.
Because everyone will get out the next day scot free.
If Toby rejects to getting jailed, then he is Strongman; if not, he has a 1/5 chance of being innocent.. (and with everyone else).
Also,
Quote from: Toby on August 13, 2018, 06:56:21 AMNana seemed really into it but as since not said anything, maybe just due to the inactivity of everyone else
Yes, inactivity, and also I work from roughly 7:30/8:30AM-4/5PM MST 5 days a week. If I don't talk when it's convenient for everyone else, I have a real excuse haha. I always check when I get home though.
I'd be willing to vote Toby just to start somewhere, however, BDS is going ham on starting off with Toby from something not really that big of a deal, imo.
I don't know why we have to continue this phase, but if this is what it takes to move on, Toby. I don't like how you created an argument from nothing, but I'll go with it. I'm excited for when there's something real to argue about next day phase.
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on August 13, 2018, 06:31:25 PMBDS is going ham on starting off with Toby from something not really that big of a deal, imo.
I mean, it is a pretty big deal. It's not only an indication of Toby's possible thoughts behind the scenes, but also concerning that Toby might have been pushing to waste a jailing and get the wolves closer to their win condition.
Alrighty, I'll do it, too.
Just to move things along.
Toby
LOL there's still heaps of time in the phase so don't insta.
But it's honestly whatever because I can still yell at you even after jailed lol
So you know how last game I was quiet and didn't say much
If I'm a wolf why would I not just do that again? Instead I made a post which I knew could gather some friction but create discussion. Please don't be sheep
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 13, 2018, 06:06:33 PMi mean it's blatantly there so whatever
look
regardless of his role tras would have said what he said
your claimed "reaction test" is of no value to anybody
hence what i said
:morton2:
tras is literally the perfect choice to make a false lead on
He:
1. Has something you could potentially pick up on that would appeal to someone who's not really active or otherwise invested in the game (the "Oh! Tras is always more excited to play when he's a wolf" thing, even if a more active player would obviously see how untrue that was; pretty much, you counted on people not being active enough to call you out on it, and yes, play as a wolf does tend to differ in active games vs. inactive games).
2: Is the perfectly blend of inconspicuous and vague enough to almost always be a potential suspicion.
Half of this is just you saying things that you won't budge on because you're bds and you don't care it's not true or what I say
I already explained what I thought I could gather from the reaction test, as a host in the sombra game where tras was wolf I picked up on lots of wolf specific behaviours he was giving off throughout the game. If you don't know how to do reaction tests then don't say they have no value lol. It was valuable to me I like how Tras behaved, it was what I was looking for
SO IT GAVE ME A TOWN READ, whereas no one else was doing anything so sorry for getting the game moving and doing part of my job
You're literally saying tras is the perfect choice as an argument against me yet I've dropped everything on tras so now I'm like ok??? Thanks for that part ??? If I was a wolf I would have put more into it and not dropped it but I simply got the human reaction I wanted and not fished for a wolf one...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 13, 2018, 06:17:28 PMToby, just in case it wasn't clear enough.
Also, as a human, you probably wouldn't say "You using it against me is odd," you'd admit that what you did was weak but that you were trying to stimulate activity or something idk. My only worry right now is that Toby could be the Mafia Godfather (that might explain his outrageous play and over-the-top reactions as trying to get himself jailed), but I think it's worth jailing him anyway just in case he's the Strongman.
also i am making an active effort to say jail/jailed/jailing instead of lynch/lynched/lynching but it's a struggle
I always call you odd/weird whatever. This is a reach as frick
Because it's so clear it was a reaction test and I've stated it gave me a town reaction. Claiming early town reads in such a small game like this can be dangerous as a wolf because it creates conflict if I need to go back on it and change my views from town to wolf simply to secure a lynch on someone
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on August 13, 2018, 06:31:25 PMLike I mentioned, it really shouldn't matter to literally everyone except the Strongman if they get jailed or not.
Because everyone will get out the next day scot free.
If Toby rejects to getting jailed, then he is Strongman; if not, he has a 1/5 chance of being innocent.. (and with everyone else).
Also, Yes, inactivity, and also I work from roughly 7:30/8:30AM-4/5PM MST 5 days a week. If I don't talk when it's convenient for everyone else, I have a real excuse haha. I always check when I get home though.
I'd be willing to vote Toby just to start somewhere, however, BDS is going ham on starting off with Toby from something not really that big of a deal, imo.
You do realise that jailings still sort of work as lynched in that they help towards the wolf win condition if they're wrong. If you jail me today you have to jail the strongman tomorrow or we lose
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 13, 2018, 06:48:53 PMI don't know why we have to continue this phase, but if this is what it takes to move on, Toby. I don't like how you created an argument from nothing, but I'll go with it. I'm excited for when there's something real to argue about next day phase.
This is so lazy and disgusting and I feel like you're talking bout bds nd not me.
If you jail me and don't jail strongman specifically tomorrow we lose, so you do kinda have to think about your vote
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 13, 2018, 07:27:35 PMI mean, it is a pretty big deal. It's not only an indication of Toby's possible thoughts behind the scenes, but also concerning that Toby might have been pushing to waste a jailing and get the wolves closer to their win condition.
Then why the heck did I say I read Tras as town if I was looking to kill him.
I feel like you just see something you don't like and being bds are too stubborn to change your mind when it's clarified for you.
So this is what's happened
I did a reaction test making by making a dumb accusation ( yall pretend you've never played with me before lmao) and I use the reaction test to call someone town.
Bds doesn't like I did a reaction test with a dumb accusation (fishy because he knows firsthand how my reaction tests can start) and he doesn't like it because I COULD HAVE (but didn't) used it to make tras look bad and capitalise on inactivity (which isn't my fault and I literally said in my post how it was inactive and pretty much how I wanted more from people).
So I look bad apparently because of a 'could have happened'?
When in actual fact I just gave someone a town read...
???
Quote from: Toby on August 13, 2018, 11:58:40 PMLOL there's still heaps of time in the phase so don't insta.
But it's honestly whatever because I can still yell at you even after jailed lol
So you know how last game I was quiet and didn't say much
If I'm a wolf why would I not just do that again? Instead I made a post which I knew could gather some friction but create discussion. Please don't be sheep
It's stuff like this that gets me to doubt you even more.
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 12:39:25 AM( yall pretend you've never played with me before lmao)
i mean i'm pretty sure i've called you out for doing dumb reactions tests before
especially when you tried to do it on me and then acted like i was a wolf
because i called you out on it
also the "gave someone a town read" was you backpedaling when you realized that what you were trying to do wasn't going to work
wait sweet jesus how many toby posts are there
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 12:05:34 AMI already explained what I thought I could gather from the reaction test, as a host in the sombra game where tras was wolf I picked up on lots of wolf specific behaviours he was giving off throughout the game. If you don't know how to do reaction tests then don't say they have no value lol. It was valuable to me I like how Tras behaved, it was what I was looking for
SO IT GAVE ME A TOWN READ, whereas no one else was doing anything so sorry for getting the game moving and doing part of my job
I mean, I don't think that's true, otherwise I wouldn't have brought it up in the first place.
QuoteYou're literally saying tras is the perfect choice as an argument against me yet I've dropped everything on tras so now I'm like ok??? Thanks for that part ??? If I was a wolf I would have put more into it and not dropped it but I simply got the human reaction I wanted and not fished for a wolf one...
yeah
because he called you out
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 12:11:31 AMYou do realise that jailings still sort of work as lynched in that they help towards the wolf win condition if they're wrong. If you jail me today you have to jail the strongman tomorrow or we lose
i mean
that's literally what you were trying to do with tras until he shut you down
p sure i pointed that out already just sayin
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 12:32:32 AMThen why the heck did I say I read Tras as town if I was looking to kill him.
I feel like you just see something you don't like and being bds are too stubborn to change your mind when it's clarified for you.
see
i don't think you clarified everything
because it feels like you're trying to strawman me by answer a different argument from the one i'm making then acting like you've cleared everything up and i should be okay with you now but i'm not because you actually didn't
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 14, 2018, 12:52:01 AMIt's stuff like this that gets me to doubt you even more.
how can you not agree they are sheeping what the fuck
Their posts pretty much say it
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 14, 2018, 12:54:58 AMi mean i'm pretty sure i've called you out for doing dumb reactions tests before
especially when you tried to do it on me and then acted like i was a wolf because i called you out on it
also the "gave someone a town read" was you backpedaling when you realized that what you were trying to do wasn't going to work
wait sweet jesus how many toby posts are there
Ok what
What
What
The point of a reaction test is to look for a reaction and then come to a conclusion. Me town reading him was my conclusion not back-pedalling. You're just trying to turn this into something it's not
No one can change bds' mind lmao I give up, you're either seeing something that just isn't there or are just trying to turn this all around on me
Like I say tras is acting excited,,,, he made one post with no emotion and just answered someone's question, he didn't offer anything to the table yet. If you think I though I could convince everyone tras was excited like his usual wolf behaviour you're delusional and must think either very low of me or so high of me that I can turn literally nothing into its complete opposite and that's just not possible
And just because bds mind doesn't change doesn't mean you should agree with him.
I'm at work so I'm not looking into anyone else but I will re read the topic and see what others have said so we can actually get a real vote going because way too much time has been wasted on this
First, wow that's a lot of messages. Second:
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 12:31:18 AMThis is so lazy and disgusting and I feel like you're talking bout bds nd not me.
If you jail me and don't jail strongman specifically tomorrow we lose, so you do kinda have to think about your vote
You're the one that started it. Reaction tests are too meta, and it's hard to draw conclusions from them. But this one is more clear. BDS sorta made his own reaction test and you kinda failed. Now you're just making everything more hostile.
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 12:31:18 AMdisgusting
I mean, c'mon. "Disgusting". That's a little too much. You want me to join your side because you call me "Disgusting"? That's not how that works.
Bds this whole argument seems a little petty. I don't think Toby should be the one we jail
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 05:10:33 AMhow can you not agree they are sheeping what the fuck
Their posts pretty much say it
I meant that it was somewhat ironic that you tried to guilt them into not "sheeping" when that's exactly what you tried to do with them and Tras.
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 05:14:26 AMThe point of a reaction test is to look for a reaction and then come to a conclusion. Me town reading him was my conclusion not back-pedalling. You're just trying to turn this into something it's not
I'm still not convinced it wasn't back-pedaling after he called you out. Then you tried to paint it as if it was a reaction test.
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 05:20:04 AMLike I say tras is acting excited,,,, he made one post with no emotion and just answered someone's question, he didn't offer anything to the table yet. If you think I though I could convince everyone tras was excited like his usual wolf behaviour you're delusional and must think either very low of me or so high of me that I can turn literally nothing into its complete opposite and that's just not possible
I mean, if you think people are just sheeping when I think there's a
pretty strong argument for you, then it's reasonable to think that you assumed people would sheep you without even checking back on Tras.
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 14, 2018, 06:11:13 AMYou're the one that started it. Reaction tests are too meta, and it's hard to draw conclusions from them. But this one is more clear. BDS sorta made his own reaction test and you kinda failed. Now you're just making everything more hostile.
It's not
just that he did a reaction test, it's that the type of reaction test he claims he was doing is an extremely poor kind of reaction test, and is pretty much the type of test a wolf would carry out to either bait people into voting for a human, or try to give themselves human points for.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 14, 2018, 08:18:02 AMBds this whole argument seems a little petty. I don't think Toby should be the one we jail
Ok, first of all: Why.
Secondly: Why.
Basically, as long as people don't recognize the "reaction test" for what it is (i.e. a trick), it's a win-win situation for the wolf.
Lol ok bye
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on August 11, 2018, 11:12:48 PMLet's get talking, then. We can just choose someone to start with? What have we got to lose? If they refuse, it'd be easy to suspect Strongman (depending on timing). If they don't, then at least we have a chance of catching the Jailkeeper.
This reads hella suspicious but I'm going to take a town lean on it. We have a lot to lose from picking the wrong person and if this was a wolf saying it I could only believe it being said to be deceitful, and not because of their lack of knowledge on the game. And I don't believe n1p2 is the type to believe they can convince everyone to willy nilly vote a person because we have 'nothing to lose'. I don't think they believe they could deceive us like that and us be that stupid.
So I'm going to say this was likely a fault on a humans part. I think a wolf would be more aware of how beneficial wrong jailing are, and as I already said, I don't see a wolf trying to deceive us otherwise
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 12, 2018, 08:48:19 AMThanks for not giving me a notification on discord Mikey. Anyhoo, I'm here now.
This is a bit reachy but wolves likely have wolf chat on discord that mikey set up at beginning of game and I don't see brainy referencing a discord notification from mikey, in any form, if they were a wolf.
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 13, 2018, 02:10:14 PMHello. I'm alive. There's nothing really to discuss yet. We all claim human, right? Good.
This post shows me a lack of interest to find their own discussion points, and bds has already brought up one on me. It's possible I guess shyguy ignored bds' point on me to distance himself from his partner if shyguy/bds are wolves, but I think in general it's more likely he just had no interest in getting stuck into discussion.
I've been wondering what to think about the 'we all claim human' part because there's the Jailkeeper, and shyguy's burst in with 'hello I'm alive' makes it seem like the game start was a surprise to him and he may not have read the opening post and be completely familiar with the roles at this point. Before this game officially started I was unaware the jailkeeper was told they were human, I'm wondering how clued up shyguy was on the games roles at this point as saying 'we all claim human' to me suggests that either 1. He is aware that the jailkeeper is also known as a normal human or 2. He is a wolf, and using the term human to describe what he is trying to appear as.
Bit of complicated thought here
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 13, 2018, 03:29:51 PMThere's always something to discuss. Using that as an excuse to not say something isn't very helpful
I like brainy paying attention to the game and conflicting with shy guy
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on August 13, 2018, 06:31:25 PMLike I mentioned, it really shouldn't matter to literally everyone except the Strongman if they get jailed or not.
Because everyone will get out the next day scot free.
If Toby rejects to getting jailed, then he is Strongman; if not, he has a 1/5 chance of being innocent.. (and with everyone else).
Also, Yes, inactivity, and also I work from roughly 7:30/8:30AM-4/5PM MST 5 days a week. If I don't talk when it's convenient for everyone else, I have a real excuse haha. I always check when I get home though.
I'd be willing to vote Toby just to start somewhere, however, BDS is going ham on starting off with Toby from something not really that big of a deal, imo.
This post from n1p2 suggests they are clued up on the game, but I'm finding it hard as to why they don't think jailings are too harmful. So I'm worried about my position with them and maybe they are just looking to try and deceive us ???
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 13, 2018, 06:48:53 PMI don't know why we have to continue this phase, but if this is what it takes to move on, Toby. I don't like how you created an argument from nothing, but I'll go with it. I'm excited for when there's something real to argue about next day phase.
And this vote from shyguy is just showing complete disinterest in looking to aid the human team and just wanting things to move on quickly. He makes the 3rd vote which might make him feel safe about his position in making it, but he offers no real involvement with it.
Voting just to speed up the game in a 6 player game??? How short do you want this game to be, you seemed eager to get it started.
I also didn't create a real argument from nothing. It was to start discussion and gain more info on tras which clearly worked
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 10:57:21 AMThis post shows me a lack of interest to find their own discussion points, and bds has already brought up one on me. It's possible I guess shyguy ignored bds' point on me to distance himself from his partner if shyguy/bds are wolves, but I think in general it's more likely he just had no interest in getting stuck into discussion.
I've been wondering what to think about the 'we all claim human' part because there's the Jailkeeper, and shyguy's burst in with 'hello I'm alive' makes it seem like the game start was a surprise to him and he may not have read the opening post and be completely familiar with the roles at this point. Before this game officially started I was unaware the jailkeeper was told they were human, I'm wondering how clued up shyguy was on the games roles at this point as saying 'we all claim human' to me suggests that either 1. He is aware that the jailkeeper is also known as a normal human or 2. He is a wolf, and using the term human to describe what he is trying to appear as.
Bit of complicated thought here
Um, yeah, I was aware Jailkeeper doesn't know who they are. I read the rules. I commented because you were wondering where I was.
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 14, 2018, 06:11:13 AMFirst, wow that's a lot of messages. Second:
You're the one that started it. Reaction tests are too meta, and it's hard to draw conclusions from them. But this one is more clear. BDS sorta made his own reaction test and you kinda failed. Now you're just making everything more hostile.
I mean, c'mon. "Disgusting". That's a little too much. You want me to join your side because you call me "Disgusting"? That's not how that works.
Reaction tests are too meta? What. Too hard to draw conclusions? Speak for yourself. How did bds make any reaction test, he is being surprisingly genuine about his points. Hostile is barely alignment indicate I'm just lol'ling because it's petty and wrong and brainy seemed to somewhat agree
Do you not agree it's disgusting to vote just because you want the game to move quicker ?
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 14, 2018, 11:06:45 AMUm, yeah, I was aware Jailkeeper doesn't know who they are. I read the rules. I commented because you were wondering where I was.
Ok
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 11:03:09 AMAnd this vote from shyguy is just showing complete disinterest in looking to aid the human team and just wanting things to move on quickly. He makes the 3rd vote which might make him feel safe about his position in making it, but he offers no real involvement with it.
Voting just to speed up the game in a 6 player game??? How short do you want this game to be, you seemed eager to get it started.
I also didn't create a real argument from nothing. It was to start discussion and gain more info on tras which clearly worked
To speed up this phase, not the entire game.
Shyguy is looking fishy to me, and bds trying to turn so much on me doesn't help him. But he's being very very stubborn and idk if it's just because he feels like he can win this or what, because coming after me as a wolf here when I don't even die just seems like a huge mistake. But it's bds and I give up on him tbh so im most interested in shyguy and n1p2 I want to hear more from
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 14, 2018, 11:08:03 AMTo speed up this phase, not the entire game.
Doing one does the other so whatever
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 11:06:57 AMDo you not agree it's disgusting to vote just because you want the game to move quicker ?
No.
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 11:09:36 AMShyguy is looking fishy to me
Why? I voted for you because you're spending a lot of energy defending yourself.
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 11:09:36 AMim most interested in shyguy and n1p2 I want to hear more from
What do you want to hear?
Quote from: Toby on August 14, 2018, 11:09:36 AMShyguy is looking fishy to me, and bds trying to turn so much on me doesn't help him. But he's being very very stubborn and idk if it's just because he feels like he can win this or what, because coming after me as a wolf here when I don't even die just seems like a huge mistake. But it's bds and I give up on him tbh so im most interested in shyguy and n1p2 I want to hear more from
i mean
if minecraft is any indication
shy is inherently suspicious
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 14, 2018, 11:24:24 AMi mean
if minecraft is any indication
shy is inherently suspicious
Because you think I stole your stuff?
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 14, 2018, 11:18:40 AMWhy? I voted for you because you're spending a lot of energy defending yourself.
What do you want to hear?
Is that a bad thing?
You contributing more to finding wolves rather than latching onto someone else's vote
You kinda just appeared in, said nothing happened when something kinda did, and then wheeled someone's vote because you wanted phase to end quicker
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 14, 2018, 11:25:25 AMBecause you think I stole your stuff?
case in point :P
That wasn't what I was referring to, but your reaction does make a point.
Im glad i remembered my login info...
Still at work but i had some time to check in here seeing as we arent using discord.
So.. please let me know if im missing something. Youre making it seem like im overlooking why this game will somehow end tomorrow?? This was my assumption at the start of the phase:
"The only way we can find out any legitimate information about someone is until they get jailed. I suppose if we jail someone, we can find out if they are Strongman or Jailkeeper, because there will be a reaction. Until then, we are only relying on meaningless banter (which, oh look. Some small comment was completely blown out of the water. I guess i should expect this from now on. You all are so rutheless..)."
Also, im leaning more towards BDS because its just silly how much they are backlshing Toby and everyone else. Im conflicted in the end though. If we jail toby, we get information; if we jail BDS, we get information. Its just a matter of who are we willing to side with for the day.
What Toby did with everyone and giving them reads wasnt bad.
Although i dont find anything in readig everyones first posts, it was an indication that he was at least looking for something to ignite conversation.
I normally dont have fingers to point until actual things happen in the game, but i definitely feel like pointing one at BDS because it seems like theyre dead set on jailing Toby. Shy is probably a little suspicious too, but he is relatively new to the game so idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dunno if this post does anything for y'all, but ill try to check back before the deadline.
I'm voting shyyoshiguy because I haven't liked what I've seen and I feel like he's an area where I won't learn very much more info on but I can learn more on bds as the game goes on
That reaction test was useful to a wolf toby: either he could call me out, or he could pocket me (and 1 pocketed human is a LOT in a 6 players game), and either way he earns human point. It would also be profitable to a human toby, but less: a small reaction test can't really much convince others to vote. So, i think I would side with bds in this argument, but he was almost too agressive, so ... ???
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on August 14, 2018, 01:29:01 PMuntil actual things happen in the game
So for you, nothing happened? in 5 pages full of argument?
Quote from: Trasdegi on August 14, 2018, 02:25:40 PMThat reaction test was useful to a wolf toby: either he could call me out, or he could pocket me (and 1 pocketed human is a LOT in a 6 players game), and either way he earns human point. It would also be profitable to a human toby, but less: a small reaction test can't really much convince others to vote. So, i think I would side with bds in this argument, but he was almost too agressive, so ... ???
how was i aggressive
Quote from: Trasdegi on August 14, 2018, 02:25:40 PMThat reaction test was useful to a wolf toby: either he could call me out, or he could pocket me (and 1 pocketed human is a LOT in a 6 players game), and either way he earns human point. It would also be profitable to a human toby, but less: a small reaction test can't really much convince others to vote. So, i think I would side with bds in this argument, but he was almost too agressive, so ... ???
So for you, nothing happened? in 5 pages full of argument?
I mean if I was wolf I could just be as inactive as last game and not try and encourage activity
Phase ends in 40 mins
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 14, 2018, 02:35:19 PMhow was i aggressive
Hmm, agressive isn't the correct word, I meant you pushed it very hard. However that's not the first time, so there isn't really much against you.
To be fair, that was mostly because of Toby's pushback.
Hooray! Only a half an hour until we're done with this silly phase! We'll actually have some real information, like how Toby's a wolf.
"silly"
u wot
"u wot"
silly
... Do you realise that without this phase, next one would provide no information at all? You know, this game is all about analysing people's interactions and arguments and analysis of the others...
But it didn't need to be as long as it was.
Considering the early inactivity in the phase, yeah, it probably did.
Next phase, I'm voting for Brainy because he's been super quiet.
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 14, 2018, 03:48:19 PMNext phase, I'm voting for Brainy because he's been super quiet.
Next *day phase
You're weird af
At least being jailed means I can keep my vote
So... is it night?
It is now night 1. Toby has been jailed. He may send private messages to players, but cannot post in the thread. Night 1 ends in roughly 23 hours, at 6:00 pm CST.
I'm on vacation rn
And now we wait.
So if he is a wolf, he won't be unjailed?
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 15, 2018, 09:16:20 AMSo if he is a wolf, he won't be unjailed?
If he is specifically the Mafia Strongman. If he is the Godfather, he will come out as if Human.
I think Miley'll tell us next phase if he gets out.
Night has ended~
I see
the moment of truth
whenever noc shows up
Night 1 has ended. Toby was released from jail. Nana1Popo2 was blackmailed. It is now day 2, which ends at 6:00 PM CST on Friday August 17. All phase updates will now be on time, maybe
No deaths?...
Anyways, BrainyLucario
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 15, 2018, 06:35:24 PMPardon me?
Before, you didn't even object to it. You haven't said anything. Please discuss the game with us.
You never voted me before? What do you mean, before I didn't object to it?
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 14, 2018, 03:48:19 PMNext phase, I'm voting for Brainy because he's been super quiet.
Here
Dannngggggg
Well, I have this weird suspicion it's Shy.
It's a little biased based mostly off of feeling, but if I had a vote, it'd be for him.
He's also talking a lot more than I would've expected. Not saying he should be quiet, but he might be trying a little too hard to get his voice heard this time around?
If I had to make a second vote, I'd probably go for BDS for a similarly strong voice against Toby. Just to clear those two out of the water.
I'm... not sure about Shy. I honestly need/want to wait until we get the results about Toby to try and decide (not just about Shy; everyone else too).
I'm back bitches
If we don't vote jailkeeper or strongman today we lose
trasdegi
Where are you
Ohh, it's not a death game. The blackmails are the deaths, ok. Rip, N1.
Ok, so it's either Brainy, Tras, or BDS. I know nothing about Brainy or Tras, so I have no clue. I would keep BDS because he actually says stuff. It also wouldn't be fair to vote him because Brainy and Tras are safe for just not talking. Even if BDS is a wolf, he have a 50% chance of getting this right because we know nothing about Brainy or Tras. (Unless you vote me, then we have a 0% chance of getting it right) Flipping a coin... oh, my vote's still Brainy.
here
why
Also,
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 15, 2018, 10:26:33 PMwait until we get the results about Toby
What results?
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 16, 2018, 04:49:59 AMThat Toby's cool
Well, we won't know that before the game ends.
Shy I don't like how you mentioned that voting for you would be a zero percent chance of getting it right
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 16, 2018, 09:02:14 AMShy I don't like how you mentioned that voting for you would be a zero percent chance of getting it right
From my perspective, it is
Quote from: Trasdegi on August 16, 2018, 04:46:50 AMWhat results?
wait
i just realized i had a massive brainfart
i'm dumb
i somehow acknowledged noc's update and completely missed it all at the same time
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 16, 2018, 10:01:38 AMFrom my perspective, it is
Also why in the world would you flip a coin to determine who to vote for? It should be based on who you think is more suspicious
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 16, 2018, 10:01:38 AMFrom my perspective, it is
from my perspective the jedi are evilRight now, the only things we know for certain are that N1P2 isn't a wolf, and that Toby isn't the Strongman; while that gives slightly more precedent to N1P2's opinions (emphasis on "slightly"; being a confirmed human doesn't always mean you're smarter or have more knowledge than anyone else), I think the best course of action is to determine who are most likely/not likely to be Toby's partners, then try to determine whether we think Toby is a wolf or not, then make our decision based on that.
I still don't like how Shy is acting. Considering how he was when we were wolves last game, I haven't been able to pick out his "honest/villager" way of acting. So he looks fishy to me with 'only knowing him as a wolf' in mind.
Quote from: Toby on August 16, 2018, 03:09:12 AMIf we don't vote jailkeeper or strongman today we lose
Please explain, because i dont have the attention span rn to put 2 and 2 together to understand this.
Wait, Toby is this what you're referring to?
"The mafia win when all humans have been blackmailed or thrown in jail."
Does this mean that they can blackmail half and jail the other half to win? I interpreted it as "Everyone has to be blackmailed" or "Everyone has to be jailed," to win. Not combined in two... Damn specifics.
If that were the case it shouldve read: "The mafia win when all humans have either been blackmailed or thrown in jail."
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 16, 2018, 01:46:02 PMRight now, the only things we know for certain are that N1P2 isn't a wolf, and that Toby isn't the Strongman; while that gives slightly more precedent to N1P2's opinions (emphasis on "slightly"; being a confirmed human doesn't always mean you're smarter or have more knowledge than anyone else), I think the best course of action is to determine who are most likely/not likely to be Toby's partners, then try to determine whether we think Toby is a wolf or not, then make our decision based on that.
I dont like how much casual shade this post is giving me when I should be looking very good, and actually most attention should be off me this phase.
I don't like how he wants to disregard n1p2's opinions. It's as if bds still wants to try hold control of the players and not let n1p2 sway that away from him.
We know I'm not the jailor either, bds not mentioning this sort of means his full focus is still on me being a wolf. He's saying 'toby could still be a wolf, we just know he isn't strongman', rather than saying 'we know toby isnt strongman or jailor'. It's shade that really doesnt need to be casted on me this phase, I'm not a lynch target. I also don't understand why you would determine my possible 'partners' before determining if you think im a wolf or not lol. I think bds is looking to convince people that I'm the godfather and that he can't be my partner and thus not the strongman.
Shyguy is weird as frick, but he's putting himself in so much awkwardness he might just be a strange ass human. I might be reconsidering my view on Tras, simply because he went suddenly dead until called upon, and if BDS is the Godfather, he would definitely probably try get Tras to just keep quiet.
BDS is very likely Godfather if he is a wolf, so I'd feel uncomfortable voting him.
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on August 16, 2018, 04:58:57 PMWait, Toby is this what you're referring to?
"The mafia win when all humans have been blackmailed or thrown in jail."
Does this mean that they can blackmail half and jail the other half to win? I interpreted it as "Everyone has to be blackmailed" or "Everyone has to be jailed," to win. Not combined in two... Damn specifics.
If that were the case it shouldve read: "The mafia win when all humans have either been blackmailed or thrown in jail."
well yes. I think having all humans needing to be blackmailed makes the game almost impossible for wolves.
I have no clue what you're talking about anymore. This game is so difficult. This is my first human game. So fine, this is a game about impressions, but now you're saying I'm being weird because of me evaluating impressions? I honestly don't know anymore.
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 16, 2018, 05:58:24 PMI have no clue what you're talking about anymore. This game is so difficult. This is my first human game. So fine, this is a game about impressions, but now you're saying I'm being weird because of me evaluating impressions? I honestly don't know anymore.
Literally welcome to TWG on NSM..
Everyone will judge you on every minute thing you say... :/
I can get behind Toby's post. Not because you're somewhat defending me in a small way, but because of every other evaluation.
Quote from: Toby on August 16, 2018, 05:03:08 PMI dont like how much casual shade this post is giving me when I should be looking very good, and actually most attention should be off me this phase.
See, that's exactly what the Godfather would say! How the frick frack are we supposed to trust you when you keep saying shady stuff like this?
QuoteI don't like how he wants to disregard n1p2's opinions.
That's not what I said at all. I said we should give more precedent to his opinions, but not take it as the end-all decision.
QuoteWe know I'm not the jailor either, bds not mentioning this sort of means his full focus is still on me being a wolf.
Fair point, but we knew that the moment you were jailed, and tbh, it's kind of irrelevant to any problem-solving.
QuoteBDS is very likely Godfather if he is a wolf, so I'd feel uncomfortable voting him.
it's funny, because i think the exact same thing about you
You don't need to trust me but you just shouldn't be so focussed on me lmao
We have more information on you than anyone else in the game, except maybe me. Your reactions and interactions with people are spilled all over the place. So... excuse me, what? Why should we ignore that?
We have more information on n1p2.
Again you're trying to draw attention to the fact that 'we can't be partners, I'm a wolf and you're innocent'
Yesterday's vote was dumb, it told you I'm not strongman or jailor that's it. Next
Quote from: Toby on August 17, 2018, 01:11:10 AMWe have more information on n1p2.
Not true in the way I'm looking at it. Sure, he's confirmed, but offers less when it comes to interactions.
QuoteAgain you're trying to draw attention to the fact that 'we can't be partners, I'm a wolf and you're innocent'
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 16, 2018, 01:46:02 PMI think the best course of action is to determine who are most likely/not likely to be Toby's partners, then try to determine whether we think Toby is a wolf or not, then make our decision based on that.
i mean what you said is blatantly untrue but whatev
Speaking of which, I should probably get around to doing that. But not now, I'm pretty tired.
Thing is, it wouldn't surprise me if you were both human. A wolf would've dropped this loooong ago, or at least a Strongman. IMO, that means that BDS isn't Strongman. We already know that toby isn't, n1p2 either, so for me it's either ShyYoshiGuy or Brainy. For now, I would be voting Yoshi, but that probably is because he spoke much more than Brainy. So first, I want to hear more from Brainy.
Quote from: Trasdegi on August 17, 2018, 02:15:17 AMThing is, it wouldn't surprise me if you were both human. A wolf would've dropped this loooong ago, or at least a Strongman. IMO, that means that BDS isn't Strongman. We already know that toby isn't, n1p2 either, so for me it's either ShyYoshiGuy or Brainy. For now, I would be voting Yoshi, but that probably is because he spoke much more than Brainy. So first, I want to hear more from Brainy.
What would you like to hear? I'll give my reads on the whole bds and Toby situation. While I admit that this is either human v human or godfather v human. We can't just ignore the possibility that it could be strongman v human. BDS saying we should focus on finding possible Toby partners is really disconcerning though, as it Could be trying to draw attention away from the real wolves, which kind of makes me believe that Toby really is human
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 17, 2018, 11:39:40 AMWhat would you like to hear? I'll give my reads on the whole bds and Toby situation. While I admit that this is either human v human or godfather v human. We can't just ignore the possibility that it could be strongman v human. BDS saying we should focus on finding possible Toby partners is really disconcerning though, as it Could be trying to draw attention away from the real wolves, which kind of makes me believe that Toby really is human
WHY.
Do you disagree that trying to find this information isn't helpful to us? If you think it isn't, then congrats, you're wrong.
Anyway, unless Toby is a wolf and trying some weird double reverse psychology thing with Tras (which I might be able to see), I think it's safe to say that either Brainy or Shy are the Strongman.
I'm in agreement that either brainy or shy are strongman
Bds saying this makes me think he could be human. If he is strongman he played bad and way too risky
oh of course you come out in support of me when i start pushing vote options
seriously
What
I agree that brainy or shy are like strongman because I like Tras and n1p2 is confirmed.
I think you're most likely godfather or human so I'm not interested in you right now
Phase ends soon I think I'm leaning for Shyguy
I can't help but feel like I'm making a mistake, but Shy. Phase ends in about 40 minutes. This is the second vote on Shy, so if anyone else is planning to vote for him, you might want to hold off to avoid an insta/wolf rush, but stick around just in case.
Oh boy
I doubt anyone else is gonna vote anyway. That was a nice try guys.
You still have time to try and convince us to change our votes, and considering how important it is, I'd like to see you at least try.
Brainy is the wolf. He knew that in a game like this, it's best to stay quiet and let them forget you're playing. Saying something adds the risk of them voting for you. No one would vote for you on the first round because you didn't say anything. And now he only has to survive this round and the game's over. Clearly, the best strategy for a wolf would be to stay quiet.
Fair point, but I think that applies more to last phase than this one, considering how Brainy has stepped up his posting. Also, why doesn't the same apply to Tras, out of curiosity? Is it because you and Tras are partners?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 17, 2018, 03:49:38 PMFair point, but I think that applies more to last phase than this one, considering how Brainy has stepped up his posting. Also, why doesn't the same apply to Tras, out of curiosity? Is it because you and Tras are partners?
Well, sure, the same could apply to Tras, but Toby likes Tras.
Does voting close at 6 or when mikey says so?
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 17, 2018, 03:56:21 PMWell, sure, the same could apply to Tras, but Toby likes Tras.
...
yeah
i'm perfectly ok with my vote on you
ShyYoshiGuy
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 17, 2018, 04:00:43 PMDoes voting close at 6 or when mikey says so?
Usual protocol is that the phase ends whether or not there's an update.
Usual. If a host is ridiculously late, especially on a night phase, there may be a de facto extension where everybody is still talking every though an unknown one of them is dead.
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on August 17, 2018, 04:02:52 PMShyYoshiGuy
:morton2:
Ok, I insta'ed after the game should have been over.
Yeah games over
Wolves win
Postage to come tomorrow
Didn't even notice
Postgame
Why is that not a word
Quote from: mikey on August 17, 2018, 06:38:38 PMYeah games over
Wolves win
Postage to come tomorrow
See! I told you!
Hah
Brainy, were you a wolf?
How... we haven't even had a night phase...
This game wasn't as exciting as I imagined it could be...
Maybe because of how few people we had but still... oh well.
I feel like it would be like the best strategy to blackmail the strongman. We never suspected N1 after that.
Mafia can't be blackmailed.
I thought the same thing, but then I remembered.
I mean, I didn't know that. You would have fooled me.
Toby walked right into his jailing. From there, it was either try to push Tras as Toby's partner because weird double reverse-psychology stuff, or take my chance with the 50/50, Brainy against Shy.
Game was really close. I'm thinking twg needs a brief hiatus as people work out their fall schedule
Yeah, that makes sense.
Can you please tell us the roles or do we have to wait 'til postgame?
Quote from: mikey on August 17, 2018, 09:45:06 PMGame was really close. I'm thinking twg needs a brief hiatus as people work out their fall schedule
And yeah, I agree
Wait for postgame probably
Ok