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Title: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 08, 2019, 11:54:56 PM
3d3, TWeGpocalypse Edition (10p)

START PHASE: Night
CARDFLIPPING: Off
INSTA-LYNCH: On
LYNCH ABSTENTION: Off

Setup

ABC
Wolf Power SeerWolf RevokerNormal Wolf
1GuardianTrackerAlignment Seer
2Power SeerRevokerWizard

The setup is generated by the following procedure:There are 12 possible setups in total:Mechanics:


Typically I roll dice IRL to determine off-the-grid but since a specific method is noted in the setup that's the one I'll be using

Players:

1. ShyYoshiGuy
2. Voozio
3. davy
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. Kaiveran
6. FireArrow
7. Nana1Popo2
8. leetic
9. blinky
10. funnygurl555

It is now pregame.  Roles are being randed and PMs are being sent out.  Please do not post at this time.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 09, 2019, 12:03:13 AM
Column C was selected this game!  It is now Night 1.  Night 1 will last for 24 hours and ends at 9:00 PM my vacation time, whenever that is.  YOU MAY POST.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 09, 2019, 12:08:30 AM
Someone get the oil can, cause I am rrrrrrrussssttyyyy!
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 09, 2019, 12:09:21 AM
Link to discord (in progress) : https://discord.gg/XvEtkUK
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 12:14:57 AM
Quote from: mikey on April 08, 2019, 11:54:56 PMThis result will be revealed at the start of the game (e.g "Column B was selected this game")

>:c
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 09, 2019, 12:39:07 AM
Quote from: mikey on April 09, 2019, 12:03:13 AMColumn C was selected this game!  It is now Night 1.  Night 1 will last for 24 hours and ends at 9:00 PM my vacation time, whenever that is.  YOU MAY POST.
?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 12:50:03 AM
oh my silly me

So we have a wizard, alignment seer and no interesting wolves. We've got 2 mislynches so we can't be passive - starting day phase make people talk! If you got a PR make things happen, we don't want to go into our second lynch with an uneventful first lynch, no information other than night kills, and 3 inactives.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 12:50:28 AM
wait jk, we only have one of the wizard and alignment seer
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Oricorio on April 09, 2019, 06:08:33 AM
Confirming that I have received my role.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Blinky on April 09, 2019, 06:44:14 AM
So, correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from having two normal wolves (which is great), we have the potential to have either Guardian, Power Seer, Tracker, or Revoker as the possible powers. 

Generally, my first priority is to create an alliance, but with the sheer amount of unknowns that can become incredibly dodgy.  Even having someone claim a role is infeasible at this point, as the sheer amount of possibilities for counterclaims and deception would only favor the wolves.

Here are my basic tips to the potential powers: Guardian, guard yourself. Seer/tracker/revoker idk lol.  The most telling thing that could happen tonight imo is a non-wolfing.  In the meantime, I guess we're just free to discuss the potential of alliances/role claiming I guess.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 09, 2019, 10:25:35 AM
Quote from: Blinky on April 09, 2019, 06:44:14 AMSo, correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from having two normal wolves (which is great), we have the potential to have either Guardian, Power Seer, Tracker, or Revoker as the possible powers. 

Yeah, this is what I gathered, too. Our only possible role options for this game are the last four listed in the OG post.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 01:28:33 PM
Oooh yeah I misread the OP.

Quote from: Blinky on April 09, 2019, 06:44:14 AMGenerally, my first priority is to create an alliance, but with the sheer amount of unknowns that can become incredibly dodgy.  Even having someone claim a role is infeasible at this point, as the sheer amount of possibilities for counterclaims and deception would only favor the wolves.

No, and I disagree. It's not a random combination of the 4, its one of the following setups:
Normal Wolf x2, Guardian x1, Tracker x1, Normal Human x6 (11C)
Normal Wolf x2, Guardian x1, Revoker x1, Normal Human x6 (12C)
Normal Wolf x2, Power Seer x1, Tracker x1, Normal Human x6 (21C)
Normal Wolf x2, Power Seer x1, Revoker x1, Normal Human x6 (22C)

Power seer and guardian are mutually exclusive and we're guaranteed to have one, so if wolves try to false claim one then they get counter claimed by the other.

If we have a guardian, I see no reason why they shouldn't claim and guard themselves every night.

Less sure about this one, but if we have a power seer, I'm thinking they should probably claim too. There's a 50% chance we have a tracker who can track them and no good player is gonna take a coin flip at getting caught n1 unless they think 50/50 odds is an improvement. Power Seer has no ability to actually find the wolves so they're more useful as a confirmed human unless we end up in the specific scenario they're useful in (counter claims and they already got a relevant read) which feels relatively unlikely. If power seer does claim, wait till day 1.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Blinky on April 09, 2019, 02:17:06 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 01:28:33 PMOooh yeah I misread the OP.

No, and I disagree. It's not a random combination of the 4, its one of the following setups:
Normal Wolf x2, Guardian x1, Tracker x1, Normal Human x6 (11C)
Normal Wolf x2, Guardian x1, Revoker x1, Normal Human x6 (12C)
Normal Wolf x2, Power Seer x1, Tracker x1, Normal Human x6 (21C)
Normal Wolf x2, Power Seer x1, Revoker x1, Normal Human x6 (22C)

I was already aware of this, but yeah.  I was just trying to understand your mistake from you original post.

QuoteIf we have a guardian, I see no reason why they shouldn't claim and guard themselves every night.

As I said before, them guarding them self is fairly obvious, and while I'm open to the claim, I'm not taking any claim as a guarantee of innocence.  Any wolf counterclaiming/misdirection could lead to the lynching one of our only two specials.

Going to oppose the power seer claiming without having a relevant seering, because as far as I can tell, the tracker only tells who the target of their power has targeted.  It wouldn't tell you who wolfed someone if you track them, which negates your point.  So I believe you're wrong there.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 09, 2019, 02:38:01 PM
hi everyone,

don't know most of you, so im funnygurl. i play twg on ffr, and that's how i know mikey.

i've received my role. i see there's a discord, but where are we supposed to talk about this twg? is this like out of thread communication on ffr where i'm supposed to hit up everyone's dms?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 04:19:17 PM
Goddammit card flipping is off too had to delete everything I wrote

Yeah no one claim unless you got balls and wanna call out the wolves ("Ya'll wanna 50/50 this game or let us have an alliance!")

Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 06:31:16 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 09, 2019, 02:38:01 PMhi everyone,

don't know most of you, so im funnygurl. i play twg on ffr, and that's how i know mikey.

i've received my role. i see there's a discord, but where are we supposed to talk about this twg? is this like out of thread communication on ffr where i'm supposed to hit up everyone's dms?

he'll make the discord channel soon i hope, but yeah dms werk too
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 09, 2019, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 01:28:33 PMIf we have a guardian, I see no reason why they shouldn't claim and guard themselves every night.
Can the guardian even guard themselves though? I can't remember whether the default, if left unstated, was to allow them to guard themselves, or not. Even without cardflipping, claiming could be a valid strategy if they can guard themselves.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 09, 2019, 10:40:48 PM
Can someone remind me what a Lynch Abstention is?

Also, the guardian details don't specify that it can't be themselves... so I don't see why not
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 11:25:59 PM
Lynch Abstention is not voting, so you gotta vote no undecided fence walkin'
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 10, 2019, 02:49:34 AM
Late night tonight.

In the night...

Blinky died. It is now Day 1.  Day 1 ends at a time when I am not this dead tired and I cut my foot on a rock while surfing FireArrow you didn't tell me the ocean was so dangerous

This post will be updated to look like a real one eventually
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 10, 2019, 11:38:24 AM
Cool, we lose an active player. Probably a fear kill or bad PR read, gonna lean on the latter. Anyone here got insight into who might think blinky was guardian for not wanting people to claim?

Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 09, 2019, 02:38:01 PMhi everyone,

don't know most of you, so im funnygurl. i play twg on ffr, and that's how i know mikey.

i've received my role. i see there's a discord, but where are we supposed to talk about this twg? is this like out of thread communication on ffr where i'm supposed to hit up everyone's dms?

You seem awfully concerned about private communication for night one.

Quote from: mikey on April 10, 2019, 02:49:34 AMBlinky died. It is now Day 1.  Day 1 ends at a time when I am not this dead tired and I cut my foot on a rock while surfing FireArrow you didn't tell me the ocean was so dangerous

Try getting stung by wana ;c
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 10, 2019, 12:08:46 PM
Wow, I completely missed the beginning of this game. I'm here now. Also, this is me confirming I received my role.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 10, 2019, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 10, 2019, 11:38:24 AMYou seem awfully concerned about private communication for night one.

i think the weirder thing is that you responded to my post at two different times, and only this time around were you suspicious of what i said. looks artificial

i'm worried about out of thread communication though because i'm not good at keeping up with it. i'm socially awkward and prefer in thread talk
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Voozio on April 10, 2019, 01:33:56 PM
Hello peoples. I guess it seems customary to publicly voice that I received my role so I'm doing that now since I haven't said anything yet. I've been followin along
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 10, 2019, 03:41:14 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 10, 2019, 12:18:48 PMi think the weirder thing is that you responded to my post at two different times, and only this time around were you suspicious of what i said. looks artificial

i'm worried about out of thread communication though because i'm not good at keeping up with it. i'm socially awkward and prefer in thread talk

The helpful answer is best asap, anything related to questioning/suspicions/getting people to talk I'd rather wait till day one.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 10, 2019, 05:23:51 PM
My best guess is that Blinky was a process of elimination kill, as in, "who's active who we might not be able to pin a suspicion on later," because wolfing an inactive is usually not a good strategy (I say "usually" because there are indeed exceptions to everything :P ), and given the number of people who didn't post or only made one post, that would narrow down the choice quite a bit.

Quote from: FireArrow on April 10, 2019, 11:38:24 AMYou seem awfully concerned about private communication for night one.
I'm willing to write it off as not being too familiar with NSM's style.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Oricorio on April 10, 2019, 05:37:51 PM
Wait, there's a N0 kill? That's not how I'm used to doing things
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 10, 2019, 05:40:07 PM
:K

Yep, the game starts on a night. Welcome to NSM. ;D
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 10, 2019, 06:15:19 PM
J'arrive.

I confirm receipt of my Role PM and such!

Anyways, hai, the name's Kai! I'm a blue fluffy foxcat thing. I've been playing MafiaWolf games in one form or another for a loooong time, and after sampling all of them, I still think this style is the best and has the most potential for exciting and engaging gameplay. It's a shame that it has died out in favor of more austere, conservative variants, and I am here to make sure that it gets a chance to live again!

Let's give this one all we've got!
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 10, 2019, 06:51:48 PM
Now to actually read:

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 09, 2019, 07:51:00 PMCan the guardian even guard themselves though? I can't remember whether the default, if left unstated, was to allow them to guard themselves, or not. Even without cardflipping, claiming could be a valid strategy if they can guard themselves.
Huh, is a self-protecting Guardian the default around here? Because this setup was designed with a Guardian that can't self protect. (My bad for not making that explicit  :-[ )

If mikey already sent said Guardian a Role PM that allows for self-protection...well, there's no use crying over spilt mechanics. If there is a Guardian, claiming and self-guarding could be a viable strategy in this case, as it basically gives us a cleared human for the whole game
The problem is that this opens us up to be totally robbed of our investigative powers by the Wolves: they could decide to throw out a Power Seer/Tracker fakeclaim to counter the other blue, forcing us to get rid of them both (and naturally, the Guardian can't get any clears in this situation because they're too busy protecting themselves.)
Of course, if we don't have a Guardian, then both of our roles are basically unprotected info roles, and nobody should claim unless they have a useful result or it's a PFD (e.g a Day with 5-6 players alive.)

Quote from: FireArrow on April 09, 2019, 11:25:59 PMLynch Abstention is not voting, so you gotta vote no undecided fence walkin'
More specifically, it means that the town must lynch every Day – there's no option to No-Lynch.
––––
Anyways, since my last experience with the players in this game ranges from "4ish years ago" to "never ever", I am, by definition, not a big meta guy. Does the Blinky kill ping anyone who is?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 11, 2019, 10:43:49 AM
Sooooooooooo yeah.

I'll be honest, I don't have a solid read on anyone, yet..
Any updates on when the phase will end, mikey?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 11, 2019, 06:03:16 PM
Mikey should also clarify the Guardian mechanics before we proceed.

Also we can't verify if everyone's on the same page, wrt general claim strategy, if not everyone has posted in the Day yet...
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 11, 2019, 06:25:19 PM
Thinking no claiming see my convo with blinky and basically everything he said.

Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on April 11, 2019, 10:43:49 AMSooooooooooo yeah.

I'll be honest, I don't have a solid read on anyone, yet..
Any updates on when the phase will end, mikey?

There's not much to read right now. We still have a lot of people who just haven't posted yet this phase.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 11, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
actually huh, davy is the only person not here yet, people just aren't saying anything very relevant at the moment

Would probably worth making some too-early suspicion lists reading into people a bit too much, generates discussion so can confirm weak suspicions or get some actual data on the table. I really don't like random lynch day 1 especially if we got a night start.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 11, 2019, 08:55:19 PM
In that case *points finger at BDS.

You.

Or.

*points finger at davy.

Speak or get silenced *begins fastening silencer on pistol
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 11, 2019, 09:07:59 PM
1. ShyYoshiGuy: Null read; hasn't posted enough
2. Voozio: Null read; I don't know their style enough
3. davy: A bit suspicious; it's odd that he hasn't shown up yet
5. Kaiveran: Very mild human read
6. FireArrow: Neutral read
7. Nana1Popo2: Neutral read
8. leetic: Null read; I don't know their style enough
10. funnygurl555: Neutral read
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 11, 2019, 09:16:11 PM
guardian cannot self guard.
Phase is being extended because I'm busy and I don't think anyone's even voted yet.  Phase will end in about 23 hours at 10:00 PM central time.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 11, 2019, 09:19:00 PM
ShyYoshiGuy

I know you as a rather talkative person, so why have you been so quiet here? Afraid to give anything away?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 11, 2019, 10:11:28 PM
Vote: ShyYoshiGuy
BDS knows more than me about the playerlist so 🐑🐑🐑🐑 D1 wagon time
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 12, 2019, 12:39:34 AM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 11, 2019, 09:19:00 PMI know you as a rather talkative person, so why have you been so quiet here? Afraid to give anything away?

I mean... you're not wrong..

ShyYoshiGuy
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: davy on April 12, 2019, 01:16:23 AM
Always fun signing up for TWG in my holiday thinking I'll have more than enough time to be active only to have the game start right when my lectures have started again.

So yeah, I'm not going to be as active as I usually am. I wouldn't mind being replaced, but I don't think we have the luxury of having replacements.

I'll see if I have time later today to make a post with some actual content.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Oricorio on April 12, 2019, 10:02:18 AM
Well that escalated quickly. Vote: Nana1Popo2
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 12:19:40 PM
I wish I had time to be more active too but I'm going with Nana1Popo2 as well. Your behavior is really odd to me, you seem unsure and scared in general and your justification for a bandwagon is... "you're not wrong"?

Quote from: Kaiveran on April 11, 2019, 10:11:28 PMVote: ShyYoshiGuy
BDS knows more than me about the playerlist so 🐑🐑🐑🐑 D1 wagon time


Why are you so certain BDS is human?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 12, 2019, 02:21:39 PM
Yeah, both follow-up wagon votes were a little odd. I actually think N1's vote was less odd, though, since he actually knows Shy.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Voozio on April 12, 2019, 03:23:02 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 12:19:40 PMI wish I had time to be more active too but I'm going with Nana1Popo2 as well. Your behavior is really odd to me, you seem unsure and scared in general and your justification for a bandwagon is... "you're not wrong"?

If I was in N1's shoes, I wouldn't dare say anything this casual without actually having knowledge or being comfortable. It'd seem way too sus. I'd rather give N1 the benefit of the doubt for now.

My vote is ShyYoshiGuy just to push a majority.

Question: I assume I'm allowed to change my vote before the day's end. Is that correct?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 03:45:05 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 12, 2019, 02:21:39 PMYeah, both follow-up wagon votes were a little odd. I actually think N1's vote was less odd, though, since he actually knows Shy.

I'm not to familiar with either player, but it was denying disagreement rather than agreeing. If he said "Yeah, now that I think about it you're right""I was thinking that too""Oh hmm, you're right." I probably wouldn't bat an eye, but

I think how readily Kaiveran trusted you was a pretty big wolf tell (wolves don't fear someone might be a wolf.) He also seems like a very experienced player, so not knowing the nsm players (who are a minority anyways!) seems a poor excuse to not develop an independent opinion.

Regardless, he's honest and confident about d1 lack of info and bandwagoning. N1 seems like their trying to hide or justify everything, which is what tips the scale for me.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Voozio on April 12, 2019, 03:23:02 PMIf I was in N1's shoes, I wouldn't dare say anything this casual without actually having knowledge or being comfortable. It'd seem way too sus. I'd rather give N1 the benefit of the doubt for now.

My vote is ShyYoshiGuy just to push a majority.

Question: I assume I'm allowed to change my vote before the day's end. Is that correct?

If you were in his shoes? Wouldn't that just be being a human, if that's what you think he is? Does fearing looking too suspicious explain your lack of casual posts right now?

"If I was in the shoes of the player I'm defending, I would act exactly the way I'm acting now to avoid looking too suspicious."
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 12, 2019, 05:57:02 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 11, 2019, 09:07:59 PM1. ShyYoshiGuy: Null read; hasn't posted enough
2. Voozio: Null read; I don't know their style enough
3. davy: A bit suspicious; it's odd that he hasn't shown up yet
5. Kaiveran: Very mild human read
6. FireArrow: Neutral read
7. Nana1Popo2: Neutral read
8. leetic: Null read; I don't know their style enough
10. funnygurl555: Neutral read

BDS

no way yo. that reads list doesn't help anyone. idk shyyoshiguy to be fine with voting for him based on meta either.

Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 12, 2019, 06:04:53 PM
caught up with the thread. i like leetic for voting n1 and i like firearrow's comments about the votes.

n1's vote is weird imo. however, if n1 knows shyyoshiguy (am i getting these usernames right anymore...), then it's less weird. it's a bit bold to meta vote like that when there's quite a few players who aren't from nsm.

if this game were happening where i'm from, there would still be wagons rn, but different ones haha. i appreciate that y'all already started shit though; that's activity + info and it's good for town

Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 12, 2019, 06:12:47 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 12:19:40 PMWhy are you so certain BDS is human?
I'm not. I just wanted to use the wagon to escort the game out of the "sitting around twiddling our thumbs" phase and see what ShyYoshiGuy had to say in response, thinking it would help me sort people. Obviously, that didn't pan out since y'all counterwagoned nanabooboo and he never showed up.
(BTW, if you're reading this SYG, still interested to know what you think.)

Quote from: Voozio on April 12, 2019, 03:23:02 PMIf I was in N1's shoes, I wouldn't dare say anything this casual without actually having knowledge or being comfortable. It'd seem way too sus. I'd rather give N1 the benefit of the doubt for now.

My vote is ShyYoshiGuy just to push a majority.

Question: I assume I'm allowed to change my vote before the day's end. Is that correct?
The answer to your question is Yes. But, uhh...push a majority? A majority is a lynch, buddy. Unless you meant just keeping them in the lead, care to explain?

@leetic: is your vote based on the classic "middle of wagon" tell?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Oricorio on April 12, 2019, 06:54:05 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 12, 2019, 06:12:47 PM@leetic: is your vote based on the classic "middle of wagon" tell?

To an extent. It's mostly due to the fact that their vote seemed very opportunistic to me.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 12, 2019, 07:05:59 PM
QUICK N DIRTY VOTE COUNT

SYG – 4/5 – BDS, Kai, N1P2, Voozio
N1P2 – 2/5 – leetic, FA
BDS – 1/5 – Funnygurl

You're welcome
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 12, 2019, 07:07:36 PM
Vote: Voozio

to get SYG out of quicklynch range. I wanna see what he has to say before day ends if possible.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 12, 2019, 07:35:50 PM
Oof. I so haven't been paying attention to this game. Sorry, I've been busy. I know I'm pretty talkative, BDS, hehe. Reading these four pages in the last couple minutes, uh, I can see how you'd think I'm suspicious, being that I've literally only said one thing.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 12, 2019, 07:44:40 PM
you might die tn man; got any other words?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 12, 2019, 07:47:04 PM
But, ok, going with this now, it seems Voozio only voted for me because BDS and N1 did. BDS and N1 know this is abnormal for me, heh.

Voozio

(Funnygurl, I was typing this as you said that.)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 12, 2019, 07:54:04 PM
So N1P2's vote isn't as odd as leetic thinks it is, you would say?

I admit, Voozio's vote is definitely the weirdest. He never explained his "push majority" reasoning, and I'd be okay with a quickswitch to him...the thing is, I dunno if it's gonna happen.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 12, 2019, 07:57:06 PM
syg's response makes n1 look better (i hope y'all are ok with me using these abbreviations for your names. y'all can call me fg if it helps)

im gonna vote voozio because based on the wagon options now (syg, n1, voozio), i have no good reason to vote syg and n1's meta vote holds. voozio's syg vote wasn't the best though. i know this looks like im sheeping kaiveran, but ah well.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 12, 2019, 08:01:13 PM
Kai, thank you for reminding me about this game, btw. I mean, yeah, Kai, not sure what Voozio meant by that. (Yeah, fg, either syg or shy work.)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Oricorio on April 12, 2019, 08:01:51 PM
Vote Voozio to avoid a tie
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 12, 2019, 08:02:35 PM
Phase end
Kitb to be resolved momentarily
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 12, 2019, 08:31:24 PM
voozio has died.  It is now Night 2.  Night 2 ends at 10:00 PM Central Time on April 13 in just under 24 hours.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 09:37:23 PM
That was... sudden. Ya'll inactive for the normal phase length than pop up in the last few hours to completely change the lynch, gonna read it over to see if its a bit coordinated.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 12, 2019, 10:01:38 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 09:37:23 PMThat was... sudden. Ya'll inactive for the normal phase length than pop up in the last few hours to completely change the lynch, gonna read it over to see if its a bit coordinated.

that's a bit of an unfair assessment; personally, i've been regularly checking this thread since i knew it was up.

and your post reads as if you suspect the wolves had a reason to care about this eod? for all we know the wagons coulda been vt/vt.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 12, 2019, 10:16:06 PM
I like how the suspicion on me went full circle as soon as Shy showed up... lol...

I just jumped on the wagon to vote for somebody. And at the time the only current vote by BDS made a hint of sense, so for the sake of pushing things along, i went with it. *shrug
(The meta knowledge was definitely a thing)

I've been checking regularly, too (when not at work; which, coincidentally, everything blew up during), and it's been pretty quiet. Perhaps that was because of a lack of knowing when the phase was actually going to end at the time?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 12, 2019, 10:28:23 PM
>:(
Quote from: mikey on April 11, 2019, 09:16:11 PMguardian cannot self guard.
Phase is being extended because I'm busy and I don't think anyone's even voted yet.  Phase will end in about 23 hours at 10:00 PM central time.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 12, 2019, 11:13:53 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 12, 2019, 05:57:02 PMBDS

no way yo. that reads list doesn't help anyone. idk shyyoshiguy to be fine with voting for him based on meta either.
I mean yeah, but it gives people something to talk about and helps me collect my thoughts. FA said to post lists so I went along with that.

Not sure about Voozio lynch. He did kind of hop onto a bandwagon for little justifiable reason, so I don't think it was a bad lynch necessarily. I feel like Voozio and Kaiveran are probably opposing alignments, but that doesn't necessarily mean Kaiveran and Shy are partners.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 12, 2019, 11:23:16 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 12, 2019, 07:05:59 PMQUICK N DIRTY VOTE COUNT

SYG – 4/5 – BDS, Kai, N1P2, Voozio
N1P2 – 2/5 – leetic, FA
BDS – 1/5 – Funnygurl

You're welcome
Might do a better "partner analysis" later, but N1P2 and Kai could be partners, though it raises the question of whether they would both vote for Shy in such a bold way together.

Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 12, 2019, 07:47:04 PMBut, ok, going with this now, it seems Voozio only voted for me because BDS and N1 did. BDS and N1 know this is abnormal for me, heh.

Voozio

(Funnygurl, I was typing this as you said that.)
Since Shy was the second person to vote for Voozio it could link the two (and I can certainly believe Shy would make a clumsy follow-along vote like that), in addition to the fact that Kai went from Shy to someone else.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 11:26:18 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 12, 2019, 10:01:38 PMthat's a bit of an unfair assessment; personally, i've been regularly checking this thread since i knew it was up.

and your post reads as if you suspect the wolves had a reason to care about this eod? for all we know the wagons coulda been vt/vt.

You posted night one, yet you felt no need to make a post before its extension? The reason would be to save a wolf, and the entire purpose is to look into if such a reason seems present.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 13, 2019, 08:01:44 PM
In the night...

leetic died.

It is now Day 2.  Day 2 ends in 48 hours at 10:00 PM CST.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 13, 2019, 08:08:50 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 12, 2019, 11:26:18 PMYou posted night one, yet you felt no need to make a post before its extension? The reason would be to save a wolf, and the entire purpose is to look into if such a reason seems present.

if you mean eod's extension, like lots of y'all, i didn't know when eod was :(

caught it in the nick of time though
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 13, 2019, 09:04:55 PM
other thoughts i have:

leetic being nk'd means he's most likely town. fmpov (since i know i'm town), at least 2/3 votes on voozio were town votes. i currently have a town lean on kaiveran, so i think the wagon last eod was pure.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 13, 2019, 09:11:03 PM
(sorry i'm still going idk if multiple posting like this is a no-no here)

the most plausible (or tbh simplest) reason i could think of for the nk is that leetic was universally town read for his vote. if that were the case though, then the wolf team must have paid attention to the thread to understand that.

i just thought i'd bring that up because i wasn't expecting the wolves to nk him, so i had to think for a minute lol
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 13, 2019, 09:32:21 PM
I would think all TWG forums tolerate multi-posting, given no editing allowed :P

leetic wasn't the biggest voice D1, and IIRC the only person he ever actually called out was N1P2, so that might have informed the kill. That's a classic dollop of whyfoam though, so I'll hold that in abeyance until I do a thorough re-up on the game tomorrow. I might have more time for OC stuff too.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 13, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 13, 2019, 09:32:21 PMThat's a classic dollop of whyfoam

I love this


Also, I'm interested to hear more from the quiet people in here. They could just be watching and taking their kills night by night. (@Shy, @davy, for example).

I'm curious about the kill on leetic, tbh. Why him? Was it something he said? Or just a random kill?

I am still fairly new to forum-based TWG (meaning, I can count on my hand how many games I've played), so I'm not great at the over-analyzing yet... However I can see this going down a path that I don't mind outwardly saying: I feel like I'm getting set up (probably unintentionally up until leetic's death).
I, too, noticed the point Kai said. If FA dies the next night, it could look worse for me, being they both voted for me D1. However, that could also be, as Kai said, a big ol dollop of whyfoam (if I were a wolf).

I honestly still think there's a wolf between Shy and davy (and any other super-quiet folk that I forget are in this game atm). For once, precisely because they have been quiet. I don't normally take that approach, but I'd personally like to see what they have to say/are hiding. lol.


I'm surprised I actually had this much to say, because I was honestly about to post how I don't really know what to read for people much yet... (still...). Considering only Kai, FG, and FA have been posting the most often.
The discord chat has been really quiet, too... that's the easiest place for me to check while at work and it's been dead xD

It's hard for me to think of any town reads on anyone... but from N1 I got that from Blinky... unfortunately, that didn't last long...

Anyone else have lengthy posts to make?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 13, 2019, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 13, 2019, 09:04:55 PMleetic being nk'd means he's most likely town.
In what situation would leetic not be town? :P This is kind of an odd thing to say. The wolves know each other, so there's no reason there should be any shenanigans going on.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 14, 2019, 12:07:13 AM
I've got a lot of thoughts but I'm working straight Saturday through Sunday so most of my activity will be later tomorrow night.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 14, 2019, 12:10:42 AM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 13, 2019, 10:22:58 PMIn what situation would leetic not be town? :P This is kind of an odd thing to say. The wolves know each other, so there's no reason there should be any shenanigans going on.

idk man some freak of nature shit coulda happened where a wolf ate themselves
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 14, 2019, 12:51:34 AM
Quick thoughts:

Leetic dying is odd, and I think that's the point. I personally had a wolf lean on him, and he was never particularly threatening to anyone, so his kill was likely an attempt at avoiding obvious choices or looking like an attempt at framing. Thinking wolves are likely at the center of what was going on D1 and that players less involved would be inclined to kill someone like me/kai/etc. to stir the pot.

Strong wolf lean funnygurl, however in hindsight it may just turn out to be a human not bothering to look human so I'm not gonna bring to much up about that right now.

BDS feels odd - he's playing different than I remember human BDS playing but it could just be rust/play-style changes on both our parts. Human lean on Kai for now. Neutral lean on dead Voozio - found one of his posts odd, but the bandwagon vote I understood and he way last minute lynched way too easily to be a wolf.

Shy was called out for being inactive, said lol yeah im active as a human, then went back to being inactive and relatively unhelpful. Either bad wolf play or  he's human, haven't decided which yet. Davy being inactive sucks, and it would suck even more if he's a wolf, but he's not one to play lame inactive wolf shenanigans so its not an issue I wanna push.

Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on April 13, 2019, 10:07:07 PMI, too, noticed the point Kai said. If FA dies the next night, it could look worse for me, being they both voted for me D1. However, that could also be, as Kai said, a big ol dollop of whyfoam (if I were a wolf).

If I die? How do you know I'm not a wolf? You're too new to analyze the posts of active players but you seem perfectly capable of speculating the consequences of nightkills for yourself. Last night we got a nightkill that makes you look good, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Dropping an early vote, thinking Nana1Popo2/funnygurl right now. I still intend to read everything over and make a big post later, at which point my vote may change, but I want to give you a chance to defend yourself now since I fear I won't have the luxury of time to go through the motions of that later.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: davy on April 14, 2019, 11:03:50 AM
So I usually like to start the game by joining the discussion of wether to alliance or not, but since I wasn't there for the start of the game, I can only look back on it now. I agree with the no alliance conclusion, with just two specials, no card flips, a potential guardian that can't self guard, and a potential seer that can't find wolves making an alliance just doesn't make much sense. I'd say that Blinky's activity in the night discussion was a reason for him getting wolf'd that night.

Unlike FireArrow (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411090#msg411090) I don't find Funnygurl's post (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411068#msg411068) odd. I think it is reasonable for new players to ask about out of thread communication. I agree with Funnygurl (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411092#msg411092) that it is odd that FireArrow replied to the post twice, and only addressing his suspicions in the seccond reply, but I think FireArrow's (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411094#msg411094) reasoning makes sense.

I am very much not fond of the early bandwagon that started off of BDS's vote. This makes me suspicious of both n1p2 and kai. Voozio's reasoning for voting Shy seems even more suspicious. Had I been active last day phase I would likely have voted Voozio as well.

Unlike Funnygurl (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411198#msg411198) I actually think BDS suspicion list was fine. It's an early list so there is not much too go off of, but it could have generated some discussion, which is something TWG can always use.

@Kai what is a middle of the wagon tell?

And then we get a classic end of the phase vote swing. I'd rather have people be sure about their votes early in the phase, but I agree with the lynch, so I don't have much more to say about that.

So after Blinky, Leetic is wolf'd. Seems like the wolves are going for the new players. Could be because they don't have any connection to the NSM players, which would suggest that the wolves are NSM players.

Agree with BDS (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411268#msg411268) and FA (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411273#msg411273) that Funnygurl addressing the possibility of leetic being a wolf is odd.

Not sure how to assess n1p1's comment on FA being the next wolf target (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411266#msg411266).

Suspicion list and vote is comming up in the next post.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: davy on April 14, 2019, 11:26:24 AM
From least to most suspicious:

1. BDS/FA: Both seem to be playing a very typical game. If one of them is a wolf, he has been hiding his wolfiness pretty good so far. However, since they are both very good players, they are both still neutral leans for me.
2. Kaiveran: Very slightly suspicious because of the bandwagon. Reasoning makes sense, and he also created a lynch for a, in my oppinion, better alternative, which is why he isn't lower on the list.
3. N1P2: slightly suspicious. Mostly because of the bandwagon. Also had some more odd, but not necessairy suspicious behavior so far.
4. Funnygurl: suspicious. The comment about leetic possibly being a wolf is something that you just shouldn't make if you are a human. At the same time, I would assume that a wolf would be a bit more cautious which is why she's not at the very bottom of the list. It definately doesn't give her a pass, though.
5. ShyYoshiGuy: stronly suspicious. His inactivity is one thing, but it is the way he handled it that makes me suspicious. Especially for newer players the easiest way to avoid suspicion as a wolf is by being inactive. It often happens that humans are too scared to lynch an inactive wolf because lynching inactive humans will end up helping the wolves win. Considering the way Shy responded to being called out as inactive, I think he is trying to use this exact tactic to avoid suspicion, so I'm voting him so he does not get away with it.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 01:16:49 PM
To start off, I mentioned already that i jumped on the "bandwagon" early on literally just to get something going because the game was pretty inactive up until that point (in comparison to previous games that is...). That's it... also because i did believe it could've been Shy :/

Secondly, I actually agree pretty similarly to davy's "suspicion list" post.... even after accusing him before.. Suspicious? Hopefully not.. i honestly just agree with him. Take it as you will...

Lastly, i never claimed FA to be the next wolf target. I said that if he were to die next because of a wolf, then itd probably look suspicious on me since both he and leetic voted for me D1. It could be that me bringing this up publicly will make it less likely to happen, but idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Oh also, no one has mentioned that a Revoker could be in this game as one of the roles. They just care about the more active ones... any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 01:19:01 PM
I'm going to vote Shy in the event that I dont have time to check back and change my vote because of work.
You gotta defend yourself here, dude :/
Why should we not vote for you?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 01:21:18 PM
Ok, no, I essentially forgot the game started after I posted that first thing. But I'm here now, and I'm Normal Human. This is me defending myself, right now.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 14, 2019, 03:39:59 PM
Most suspicious to least suspicious

Kaiveran: Like I said before, I'm pretty sure Kai and Voozio are opposite alignments.
funnygurl555: Has been acting a little off all game, but recently has been really off. Kind of seems like a wolf trying to say human things.
ShyYoshiGuy: "But I'm here now, and I'm Normal Human. This is me defending myself, right now." I think that answers for itself. Could easily be a wolf whose partner is shouting at him to stay down and not mess things up.

Nana1Popo2: The most suspicious thing he's done is the bandwagon on Shy, but unlike Kai, I think N1P2 at least had some justification for his vote.
davy: My earlier suspicion is reversed now that davy's active and contributing to at least some degree.

FireArrow: It's pretty normal for me to be cautious of FireArrow but I think he's been playing very normally this game.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 03:58:32 PM
Actually, no, what's this weird inactive thing davy's trying to pull? How did I "handle it"? All you told us was how being inactive can be a strategy for wolves. All that happened was that I didn't appear or read any of the messages at the beginning of the game. It seems all you're doing is blaming solely on inactivity without too much of a justification. I mean, leetic didn't say much, but he turned out not to be a wolf. And your suspicion wasn't even on him. You're just putting me on the chopping block (Survivor terminology, lol) because it's easy since there isn't a big case for me either way.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 04:39:55 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 03:58:32 PMhe turned out not to be a wolf.

We technically dont know this because cardflips are off..
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 05:04:53 PM
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 04:39:55 PMWe technically dont know this because cardflips are off..

Well, looking at the roles, humans can't kill people during the night. There's nothing like a vigilante or anything there. So, unless I misread one of the roles or a wolf sacrificed himself, I believe we should just assume he was human.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 05:09:01 PM
Wow im dumb. I forgot he died during the night...
I mean... we can probably safely assume he was human, but who knows, something dastardly could be going on with the wolf team...
I'd love to see something that crazy pan out, but tbh youre right. I just forgot.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 14, 2019, 07:32:52 PM
i'm not a fan of people thinking i'm wolfy for saying "most likely is" instead of "is". just think it through logically: what head space am i in if i'm considering the possibility? i'm also not the only one who phrased it this way. check discord.

i really didn't like firearrow's reads post, so that's where i'm at right now. also with the syg suspicions, where were y'all last EOD?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 14, 2019, 07:35:24 PM
oh fa
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 14, 2019, 07:32:52 PMcheck discord.
Sorry, there's a Discord? When I clicked on the link, it was the server I was already in. There doesn't appear to be a CXII channel there.
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 14, 2019, 07:32:52 PMEOD
This is not the first time someone used this acronym in this game. What does it mean?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 14, 2019, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 07:58:55 PMSorry, there's a Discord? When I clicked on the link, it was the server I was already in. There doesn't appear to be a CXII channel there.
try now :x
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 08:26:30 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 07:58:55 PMThis is not the first time someone used this acronym in this game. What does it mean?

End of Day?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 08:27:22 PM
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 08:26:30 PMEnd of Day?

Ah. Thank you.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 14, 2019, 11:51:22 PM
Shy

I reeealllllyyyy wanna lynch funnygurl and im really sad I can't be here for EoD because I think vote changing is going to be important this phase. Shy, I don't mean any personal attack, but you're playing terribly it's not my job to figure out why. IF you're a wolf, I'm not letting you get away with this. If you're human, it's your own damn fault for putting yourself in this situation and expecting people to have 200IQ and make an accurate read through it.

QuoteShyYoshiGuyToday at 8:15 PM
That's a little unfair, don't ya think? Literally everyone else was here except me.

Also this is 100% wolf headspace.


Otherwise, I spent all my time dming people on discord and now I'm tired and don't feel like putting any of my cases forward. Long story short, both funny and n1 have really big wolf tells that I'll try and bring up n2 so the info doesn't have a chance to die with me. Kai shows a lot of excitement for this game yet hasn't done much scum hunting. BDS is getting deeper and deeper into my scum reads.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 12:36:40 AM
Ugh, sorry for disappearing guys. There was a celebration in the family today that I forgot I was supposed to go to. The good news is it was plenty fun! The downside is that the copious food and drink had me KTFO as soon as I got home. I'll get crackin on this game shortly since I have nothing better to do in the wee hours.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 12:55:11 AM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 14, 2019, 11:51:22 PMShy

I reeealllllyyyy wanna lynch funnygurl

man i thought we were vibing
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: davy on April 15, 2019, 01:31:40 AM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 14, 2019, 03:39:59 PMKaiveran: Like I said before, I'm pretty sure Kai and Voozio are opposite alignments.

So are you trying to hit at least one wolf by having both Kaiveran and Voozio dead? Or do you think Voozio was human? If the latter, what makes you think so?

Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 14, 2019, 03:58:32 PMActually, no, what's this weird inactive thing davy's trying to pull? How did I "handle it"? All you told us was how being inactive can be a strategy for wolves. All that happened was that I didn't appear or read any of the messages at the beginning of the game. It seems all you're doing is blaming solely on inactivity without too much of a justification. I mean, leetic didn't say much, but he turned out not to be a wolf. And your suspicion wasn't even on him. You're just putting me on the chopping block (Survivor terminology, lol) because it's easy since there isn't a big case for me either way.

The way you handled it was admitting that you were inactive, making a vote (with some reasoning, so that's good), then making one more post without any real content (thanking Kai for reminding you about the game) and then going inactive again. You are right though that Leetic didn't do much more (he voted, explained his reason for his vote and then voted again), but I didn't post any suspicions last day phase because I was not active, and I did not take any of the dead players in account in my suspicion list.

Now your posts this phase haven't made your case better. Aside from the one quoted above, none of your posts had any real content, so now it appears that you are just being active for the sake of being active.

Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 05:09:01 PMI mean... we can probably safely assume he was human, but who knows, something dastardly could be going on with the wolf team...

Ok, now you're doing the same thing as Funnygurl. Addressing the possibility that a wolf'd player may be a wolf in a setup like this is something that you shouldn't do as a human.

Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 14, 2019, 07:32:52 PMi'm not a fan of people thinking i'm wolfy for saying "most likely is" instead of "is". just think it through logically: what head space am i in if i'm considering the possibility? i'm also not the only one who phrased it this way. check discord.

i really didn't like firearrow's reads post, so that's where i'm at right now. also with the syg suspicions, where were y'all last EOD?

I checked the discord, but I'm not sure what messages you are referring too. Could you quote them?
Also, last EOD I was inactive, as you know. Still, I would have voted for Voozio, because I think he was the more suspicious of the two of them.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 02:22:11 AM
The internet is a distraction hole...but I climbed out. I feel like the real meat of the game starts on page 3, so that's where I'll start.

P3:
P4:
P5:
I'm pretty hungry now, so I'm gonna break to make some chili. I've skimmed the last two pages and it seems like it'd be more productive to engage directly with people anyway, rather than continue wallposting.

SUPER ROUGH RANKING (bottom is wolfy)

FA
BDS/Funny
davy/SYG
N1P2

Oh, by the way davy, welcome to the game! <3
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 03:37:57 AM
ehh on second thought, I'm feelin' snoozy again after all that. Catch y'all late morning/midday
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 11:39:35 AM
I am awake and ready to shake!

People like to say they're "up and Adam", but what's so special about Adam? Why does everyone want to be him?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 11:48:40 AM
Let me get something out of the way that's been bugging me:

Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 14, 2019, 12:10:42 AMidk man some freak of nature shit coulda happened where a wolf ate themselves
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on April 14, 2019, 04:39:55 PMWe technically dont know [leetic is human] because cardflips are off..
I don't get this "Wolves OTK'd" conspiracy theory at all. To the point of willing to give bonus scumpoints to these people. Why would they do that in this sub-setup? Literally why? 
 


Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 11:53:11 AM
Just lynch me already. You're already convinced I'm wolf. I had an unfair start, but I should have mentioned it sooner. Everything I say makes it worse, and we're just dragging it on longer and longer.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 12:07:41 PM
Quote from: davy on April 14, 2019, 11:03:50 AM@Kai what is a middle of the wagon tell?
A player hopping on to the middle of a lynch wagon, especially without much justification or logical continuity from their previous play, is a common cross-tradition wolf tell. The reasoning being that the first votes require you to put yourself out there with a read (real or fake), and the votes nearing an insta-lynch also attract increased attention. Hence, the "middle" being a good spot to stay off the radar/avoid having to commit to a fabricated read.

I do really like your opening, btw.

-----------------
I gotta say...the longer and more intense this conflict between FA and Funny becomes, the more I'm thinking it might be TvT. Their enmity has slowly built over the course of the game, but nothing in their play has convinced me that it's TvS rather than people of different playstyles grating on each other; the progression of their reads and stances has been really natural and both have made moves that seem logically aimed at solving the game. My interactions with them OoT do nothing to change my read. I guess I could slightly lean Funnygurl wolf, but I'd rather the discussion veer somewhere else for at least a little while before EOD. Wolves love big loud 1v1s because it keeps the attention off (most of) them.

I'll be out for an hourish starting 3:30 but other than that I'll be around, mostly OoT as I feel that might be a better way to sort things.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 12:14:52 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 11:53:11 AMJust lynch me already. You're already convinced I'm wolf. I had an unfair start, but I should have mentioned it sooner. Everything I say makes it worse, and we're just dragging it on longer and longer.
This is a highly melodramatic response considering nobody has declared intent to hammer and neither davy's nor N1P2's votes seem a fraction as committed to you as FA's is.
If you're town, you should consider at least responding to the former people, giving out reads, and also claiming if you have something to claim.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: davy on April 15, 2019, 12:23:38 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 12:07:41 PMI do really like your opening, btw.

What exactly are you referring to with this?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: davy on April 15, 2019, 12:23:38 PMWhat exactly are you referring to with this?
This post (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411317#msg411317), but I misremembered, it's not actually your opening  :o
(As an aside, thanks for teaching me how to link posts on this forum!)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 15, 2019, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 11:48:40 AMLet me get something out of the way that's been bugging me:
I don't get this "Wolves OTK'd" conspiracy theory at all. To the point of willing to give bonus scumpoints to these people. Why would they do that in this sub-setup? Literally why?
(Add in davys comment about this same topic)

*sigh..
After that quote by me, if you just read my next post...
"Wow im dumb. I forgot he died during the night..." etc.

I had a blonde moment (despite not being blonde).

Also, as a whole about the OTK wolf thing or whatever, I was just making a joke (especially after realizing that i forgot the events of the comments prior)... and then everyone started blowing it up... lol. I dont really know what else to say about it other than just let it go already xP.


Next: I'll be honest, Im not sure why Im still being so strongly accused. Aside from some probably-sketchy phrasing and words, I cant quite see the opposing views. Perhaps because i know that im not a wolf, id like to get a better understanding of why im more suspicious than i thought im coming off as.


@Kai: thats literally how Shy is. Its nothing out of the ordinary to us, because he unfortunately gives up kind of quick... (not saying he is giving up as a wolf specifically, but like... he does that often when he feels he is being cornered.. maybe because he is not a great liar? Haha. Regardless: i feel like Shy plays both a bad wolf and a bad villager xD. In this case though i still feel like he is more of a wolf for reasons mentioned before. Hopefully thats not too harsh on ya..).


Btw it's hard to make a good post on mobile and with limited time on my lunch break, so ill be back later to catch up.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 01:26:59 PM
@Nana1Popo2: I see that. I think it still might be a backtrack. However, stuff like that DID happen in the old days, so it could be easy to just knee-jerk tinfoil it here without critically considering the situation. Think I'm willing to forgive funny's stuff too.

I don't have the time or energy to do a meta-dive (mostly because I'm hosting two games offsite) so I've been trusting of regulars' meta reads here. However, you yourself admit it's not alignment indicative, so...yeah

Do you have any ideas about the wolf team?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
(and i'm off, should be back around 5:30 at the latest)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 03:57:15 PM
any of y'all know when eod is
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:08:00 PM
EOD 10 PM Central

ShyYoshiGuy – 3/4 – davy, Nana1Popo2, FireArrow
Kaiveran – 1/4 – BlackDragonSlayer
davy – 1/4 – ShyYoshiGuy
FireArrow – 1/4 – Funnygurl555
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:18:49 PM
ShyYoshiGuy, you have 3 hours and 42 minutes to un-give up and spill the tea.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 04:21:20 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:18:49 PMShyYoshiGuy, you have 3 hours and 42 minutes to un-give up and spill the tea.
Spill what tea?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:22:34 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 12:14:52 PMIf you're town, you should consider at least responding to [davy and N1P2], giving out reads, and also claiming if you have something to claim.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:29:23 PM
N1P2

for what it's worth.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: davy on April 15, 2019, 01:31:40 AMSo are you trying to hit at least one wolf by having both Kaiveran and Voozio dead? Or do you think Voozio was human? If the latter, what makes you think so?
As I might have mentioned in my last post about Voozio, I'm indecisive. I definitely think you're suspicious, and that adds to why I want to lynch you. I don't get why FA says, "Kai shows a lot of excitement for this game yet hasn't done much scum hunting," but then seems to discount you.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 04:33:04 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 11:53:11 AMJust lynch me already. You're already convinced I'm wolf. I had an unfair start, but I should have mentioned it sooner. Everything I say makes it worse, and we're just dragging it on longer and longer.
I have an idea: do something instead of just giving up. If you're a human, you're just hurting everyone else, and that's not cool, and if you're a wolf, you're not only hurting your partner, but the whole "guilting" strategy is dumb.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 04:34:22 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:29:23 PMN1P2

for what it's worth.
Would you be able to give a succinct summary/quote previous things you've said about why you think N1P2 is a wolf? I'm still not sure I get it.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:57:55 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 04:34:22 PMWould you be able to give a succinct summary/quote previous things you've said about why you think N1P2 is a wolf? I'm still not sure I get it.
Okay, since I'm fully aware people don't read wallposts, especially ones like mine: basically he was following the leader early game and then when his opportunistic hop was called out by leetic he disappeared. Only after the scramble did he show up again, and then leetic was killed after he announced that he'd be more active OoT. Since then, he's been doing something, but a lot of his posts feel super-waffley and scared. Just look at his #81 (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411289#msg411289): "Oh dearie me, I hope I'm not suspicious for this that and the other thing."

I also have an issue with how padded some of his posts are, although maybe that's a style thing?

Anyways, the leetic kill by itself, as I said, is just whyfoam by itself. In combination with his behavior though? When does he actually throw anything out of his own volition? The big picture doesn't look good to me.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
I'm glad you asked me that BDS, because I realize now I missed SYG's #83 (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411291#msg411291) where he claims Normal Human.
So we have a claim from you. How about reads? Rebuttals?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 05:18:22 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:22:34 PM

I thought I responded to them. Did they say something else? Also, my read is davy. He said a lot about me without any real substance to it.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 05:26:47 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:57:55 PMbasically he was following the leader early game
If it was anyone other than Shy he voted for, I'd probably agree with you, but N1P2 is very familiar with Shy. Not necessarily in a TWG sense, but just as a person in general.

QuoteJust look at his #81 (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411289#msg411289): "Oh dearie me, I hope I'm not suspicious for this that and the other thing."
This post is definitely a valid issue though. It reads kind of suspiciously and I have to say, after reading it, I am a bit more suspicious of N1P2. Not like "OMG I want to vote for you now!" but probably not in the "maybe human" category either.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 05:40:36 PM
@ShyYoshiGuy: I read davy's posts. I don't feel that they exactly lack substance...I've seen opportunistic lurker hunts, and his points on you don't strike me that way. It's not just your activity he's worried about, he's explaining how he's read a pattern into it and sorted you based on that.

I will say N1P2 could be trying to discred your response to him here (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411300#msg411300), but I'm not sure. I've said my piece on the whole OTK thing – it could have been just harmless tinfoil or it could have been an attempt to get town worried about what is possible (bad) rather than what is probable (good). I don't think it's productive to dwell on that particular bit right now, though.

You don't have a partner for davy? Or any town reads?-
@BDS: Breaks in meta happen, of course. But I'm fully aware of this tradition's tendency to mix personal relationships and stuff into the game. It's not ideal, but its the reality. So I'll try to bear that in mind for future analysis.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 05:41:53 PM
✧・゚: *✧・゚:* FOOD BREAK *:・゚✧*:・゚✧
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 15, 2019, 06:51:34 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:57:55 PMI also have an issue with how padded some of his posts are, although maybe that's a style thing?

Anyways, the leetic kill by itself, as I said, is just whyfoam by itself. In combination with his behavior though? When does he actually throw anything out of his own volition? The big picture doesn't look good to me.
I don't understand what you mean here.. :o
I think your analysis of me is hitting points that are strangely... irrelevant...? Imo, at least. Interesting, though, to see what types of reactions you pay attention to, seeing that it's our first game together, haha.

Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 05:40:36 PMI don't think it's productive to dwell on that particular bit right now, though.
Same. Or at least, I'd really like to hear some speculations on others, if any. Not trying to take focus off of me, but honestly just some other names than me and Shy. Definitely after this phase ends, if I get to stay alive.


Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:57:55 PMJust look at his #81 (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=10693.msg411289#msg411289): "Oh dearie me, I hope I'm not suspicious for this that and the other thing."
I think this is just how I play? I also probably said that at the time because (as it's being proven more now) everyone takes every word and comment to heart and over-analyzes it x) (i coincidentally bring up this point in every TWG i play). So, i was hoping it would be read without that in mind. Over sharing, perhaps? I guess so, seeing as y'all are still talking about it. I am trying something a little new this game: actually being more active in chat, since half of us aren't, and being more openly honest/forward (obviously from my standpoint) since it's apparently an uncommon play style. :p


I do have another theory on who a second wolf might be, even in the realm of "looking too much into things," but I kind of want to wait a bit because typing long posts like this can get a bit exhausting...
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:19:38 PM
hmmm kinda liking the BDS/N1 pairing right now but shys really not doing a good job of making me wanna switch come on dude convince me
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 07:20:09 PM
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on April 15, 2019, 06:51:34 PMI do have another theory on who a second wolf might be, even in the realm of "looking too much into things," but I kind of want to wait a bit because typing long posts like this can get a bit exhausting...
pls post
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:26:01 PM
i glossed over syg claiming normal human somehow

i don't think that's good practice for a wolf, ever, especially when flips are off
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:27:31 PM
davy voting to make a counter wagon so we have another option going into eod

i'm also null-reading davy (as opposed to having a town lean on n1)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 15, 2019, 07:38:03 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:27:31 PM(as opposed to having a town lean on n1)

You have a town lean on me now? Oh good xD
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:39:07 PM
Quote from: Nana1Popo2 on April 15, 2019, 07:38:03 PMYou have a town lean on me now? Oh good xD

i've consistently had one actually :P

hope i'm not wrong
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:39:25 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:26:01 PMi glossed over syg claiming normal human somehow

i don't think that's good practice for a wolf, ever, especially when flips are off

Nothing shy has done is good practice for any role this means nothing and is a terrible reason to lynch a goddamn neutral read instead of him
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:40:17 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:39:25 PMNothing shy has done is good practice for any role this means nothing and is a terrible reason to lynch a goddamn neutral read instead of him

...you've got a point
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:41:01 PM
ah well, no point in insta'ing him either eh?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:51:27 PM
we could go for n1 or bds ;;;];];];];];];];
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:52:26 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:51:27 PMwe could go for n1 or bds ;;;];];];];];];];

my dude there are 8 minutes left
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 07:53:43 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:51:27 PMwe could go for n1 or bds ;;;];];];];];];];
You're so insistent on this I'm honestly wonder if you and funnygurl are partners.

But then again, you always were stubbon. :V
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 07:53:57 PM
stubborn
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:54:34 PM
You me and kai are still undecided and we could grab majority outside of a wolf rush I guess

I'm honestly totally fine with a shy lynch it just feels dirty and not what I should be doing. Also relevent log:


GerikToday at 7:28 PM
Alright, so you mostly just forgot it existed
then came back and you were getting lynched, so you didn't know what to do
ShyYoshiGuyToday at 7:28 PM
And I did what I thought was the best option, blaming Voozio.
GerikToday at 7:29 PM
Did you actually think he was a wolf?
ShyYoshiGuyToday at 7:29 PM
Eh, idk. It just seemed like the easiest case to make since he didn't know me and his message made the least sense to me.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:55:05 PM
Yes wolf partners plan their wolf rushes in thread
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 07:56:35 PM
:morton2:

Honestly my top pairings are Kai/Shy and Funny/Shy so I don't mind a Shy lynch but it kind of worries me that it's too easy.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:57:05 PM
Basically this^
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 07:57:14 PM
I concur that that is what I said.

Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:54:34 PMYou me and kai are still undecided and we could grab majority outside of a wolf rush I guess

I'm honestly totally fine with a shy lynch it just feels dirty and not what I should be doing. Also relevent log:


GerikToday at 7:28 PM
Alright, so you mostly just forgot it existed
then came back and you were getting lynched, so you didn't know what to do
ShyYoshiGuyToday at 7:28 PM
And I did what I thought was the best option, blaming Voozio.
GerikToday at 7:29 PM
Did you actually think he was a wolf?
ShyYoshiGuyToday at 7:29 PM
Eh, idk. It just seemed like the easiest case to make since he didn't know me and his message made the least sense to me.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 07:58:49 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 07:57:14 PMI concur that that is what I said.
pfff what even
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 07:59:05 PM
n1
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:59:16 PM
n1
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 07:59:43 PM
n1
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 07:59:52 PM
n1p2
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:00:01 PM
tf
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 15, 2019, 08:00:08 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 07:55:05 PMYes wolf partners plan their wolf rushes in thread

whats a wolf rush?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:00:36 PM
I SWEAR if Kai and Shy are the wolves you dun goofed
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Nana1Popo2 on April 15, 2019, 08:00:43 PM
LOL.

Good luck finding the wolves. o7
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:00:51 PM
Is that enough votes? That was four in a row just then.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:01:28 PM
ok wtf was that shy
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:02:06 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:01:28 PMok wtf was that shy

I was trying to prevent kitb.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 15, 2019, 08:02:35 PM
1. ShyYoshiGuy
2. Voozio
3. davy
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. Kaiveran
6. FireArrow
7. Nana1Popo2
8. leetic
9. blinky

10. funnygurl555

Nana1Popo2 died!  It is now Night 3.  Night 3 ends in 24 hours, at 10:00 CST on April 16.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
Did... you somehow... expect anything different... FA?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:03:36 PM
I want all 'a y'all to justify y'all's votes. Especially you Kai.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:03:39 PM
Ok, fine, I un-give up.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 04:29:23 PMN1P2

for what it's worth.
wait a minute what
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:05:12 PM
Kai was already voting N1P2 but for some reason decided to re-emphasize his vote...?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 08:06:03 PM
there was some stuff going on in dms about n1 potentially slipping
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:07:18 PM
well thanks for letting me in on the action
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:07:33 PM
Wow, well now that's the second EoD scramble.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:07:53 PM
log in question

GerikYesterday at 10:08 PM
Mostly just wanted to ask your thoughts on everyone else
CzekMark1Yesterday at 10:09 PM
I agree with most of davy's opinions tbh
He was thinking practically what i thought, whether he is wolf or not, i was intrigued
GerikYesterday at 10:09 PM
So you pretty sure davy is human now?
CzekMark1Yesterday at 10:09 PM
Nope. But i agree with his assessment
I can lead towards human probably, but not sure
GerikYesterday at 10:10 PM
Ah okay makes sense
What about his meta reads on people like me
Like, you definitely couldn't of been thinking "Wow FireArrow is playing his human meta" because we've never played a game together
CzekMark1Yesterday at 10:12 PM
Yeah exactly. Haha idk dude.
Im either way on you.
I agree with davy that if you are a wolf, youre doing a great job at hiding it.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:08:05 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:07:33 PMWow, well now that's the second EoD scramble.
And both times, I almost died.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 08:08:13 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 15, 2019, 08:06:03 PMthere was some stuff going on in dms about n1 potentially slipping
what she said.
In the shuffle I forgot I was voting him already.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:08:55 PM
2 minute delay between the last two posts, him typing and deleting multiple times, then quickly changing the subject




what I wanna know now if HOW TF SHY GOT IN ON THIS HE WAS NOT PART OF THE DMS >:C
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:08:55 PM2 minute delay between the last two posts, him typing and deleting multiple times, then quickly changing the subject




what I wanna know now if HOW TF SHY GOT IN ON THIS HE WAS NOT PART OF THE DMS >:C

Seriously, you're the only one who has dm'ed me other than Kai earlier when he reminded me the game was a thing. I have email notifications, so I just refreshed the page every time I got a notification and voted for the first person other than me who had at least two votes. Which in this case was N1. Sorry, N1.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:12:29 PM
I'm probably voting for Shy next phase because he's common to both my top pairings. Plus what just happened, what with him claiming not to care than doing something that implies that, not only does he care, but he has an active interest in affecting the game.

Night kill will be interesting.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:14:00 PM
next phase is lylo and as far as im concerned wolf team is confirmed shy/funny or shy/kai

sorry n1 sorry bds :c

if wolf team is bds/davey I rage quit twg
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:14:26 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:12:29 PMI'm probably voting for Shy next phase because he's common to both my top pairings. Plus what just happened, what with him claiming not to care than doing something that implies that, not only does he care, but he has an active interest in affecting the game.

Night kill will be interesting.

I'll admit I pulled an 180. Sorry, the game suddenly got super interesting when everyone stopped blaming me for inactivity. At this point, your cases against me are no longer my inactivity, which is good, since they're actually things now.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:16:14 PM
Inactivity was a dumb thing to blame on me at this point, but I totally see how I'm being completely wolfy right now. Empty claims, quitting, etc.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:16:40 PM
I guess I need to justify that further, but basically there is no reason for shy to do that if he isn't a wolf and no way he could of done that if he didn't have a wolf tip him off about me/kai/funny dming

and no, refreshing the thread everytime you get a notification email is not a valid excuse for someone whose said they gave up and forgot about the game
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:18:13 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:14:00 PMnext phase is lylo and as far as im concerned wolf team is confirmed shy/funny or shy/kai

sorry n1 sorry bds :c
DAMMIT I'M CONFUSED NOW YOU'RE AGREEING WITH ME
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:18:42 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:16:40 PMI guess I need to justify that further, but basically there is no reason for shy to do that if he isn't a wolf and no way he could of done that if he didn't have a wolf tip him off about me/kai/funny dming

and no, refreshing the thread everytime you get a notification email is not a valid excuse for someone whose said they gave up and forgot about the game

Sure, sounds valid to me. I totally seem like a wolf right now. But I'm just telling you I wasn't tipped off at any point, so don't blame it on anyone else. This was all Shy's weirdness and terrible strategy, no one else's.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 15, 2019, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:16:40 PMand no, refreshing the thread everytime you get a notification email is not a valid excuse for someone whose said they gave up and forgot about the game
totally this tho
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 08:19:59 PM
Welp, guys, the gist of it is: if we didn't mess up here, we messed up somewhere. Otherwise the game would be over.

Weighing the usefulness of a massclaim on D3. That would be the time to do it, since it's a potential Final 5. Of course, if both blues are dead, it's a futile effort. On the other hand, if even one of them has survived, we stand a good chance of cracking. On the other other hand, that assumes we aren't close enough already, as I'm inclined to agree with BDS.
In any case, we need to be way more careful with our votes and our time than we have.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:20:12 PM
Quitting was a dumb move. Well, at this point, I'm glad I didn't vote for myself, which I was considering except I wasn't exactly sure if one could.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 15, 2019, 08:20:37 PM
cracking this game*, scuse me.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:23:05 PM
I mean, I should just say Kai disagreeing with your pairs (even though they both have me in it) is kind of suspicious. Idk tho, I'm so bad at this game, but somehow I wasn't lynched twice now.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:26:41 PM
Yeah no im not being careful with my vote im voting shy tomorrow peace out seeya then
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 15, 2019, 08:26:52 PM
Welp, I made it up to Night 3 and probably Day 3 too (since everyone thinks I'm a wolf, that's a free kill for the wolves). I see that as success. I'm'a go to bed tho. Don't see that as inactivity, heh, I need to sleep every once in a while. G'nite.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 16, 2019, 12:37:37 AM
Quote from: FireArrow on April 15, 2019, 08:14:00 PMnext phase is lylo and as far as im concerned wolf team is confirmed shy/funny or shy/kai

sorry n1 sorry bds :c

if wolf team is bds/davey I rage quit twg

so how do you know this
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 16, 2019, 12:38:26 AM
that's legit a slip i made in one of my first wolf games. if we didn't lynch a wolf yet, you're one
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 16, 2019, 12:39:08 AM
apparently im bombchu bolero now. who made these user titles
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 16, 2019, 01:16:38 AM
no comment on shy? makes things easier

ya'll aint whyfoaming me and my new vocabulary any more
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 16, 2019, 01:37:12 AM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 16, 2019, 12:37:37 AMso how do you know this
frick

this is true
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: FireArrow on April 16, 2019, 02:18:22 AM
Because 4 people are dead and there's 2 wolves?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 16, 2019, 05:51:48 AM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 16, 2019, 12:37:37 AMso how do you know this
Ohh... I know why. He thinks one of them told me about the rapid succession of N1 votes thing, and he obviously doesn't think he did it. To be clear, the people who voted for N1 are FG, FA, SYG, and Kai. So he thinks the pairs are either FG/SYG or Kai/SYG. So, honestly, I think the rest of you should consider FA/SYG a pair for his reasoning also applies to himself. Except I'm not wolf, so there were definitely some shenanigans going on in DMs between the other three participants of this rush. FG voted for FA before the raid, which I see as their temporary vote before everyone voted N1. And finally, maybe N1 was actually a wolf, in which BDS' votes most closely match his. So, uh, my mostly likely pairs are FG/FA and N1/BDS. I guess at this point, I don't think Kai or davy are wolves. I would be dead twice now if it weren't for Kai. Which I guess you see as another reason why Kai/SYG is a very possible pair. Ok, I've said enough for this phase.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 16, 2019, 05:53:31 AM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 16, 2019, 05:51:48 AMOhh... I know why. He thinks one of them told me about the rapid succession of N1 votes thing, and he obviously doesn't think he did it. To be clear, the people who voted for N1 are FG, FA, SYG, and Kai. So he thinks the pairs are either FG/SYG or Kai/SYG. So, honestly, I think the rest of you should consider FA/SYG a pair for his reasoning also applies to himself. Except I'm not wolf, so there were definitely some shenanigans going on in DMs between the other three participants of this rush. FG voted for FA before the raid, which I see as their temporary vote before everyone voted N1. And finally, maybe N1 was actually a wolf, in which BDS' votes most closely match his. So, uh, my mostly likely pairs are FG/FA and N1/BDS. I guess at this point, I don't think Kai or davy are wolves. I would be dead twice now if it weren't for Kai. Which I guess you see as another reason why Kai/SYG is a very possible pair. Ok, I've said enough for this phase.

i meant how does he know we're at lylo. sorry
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 16, 2019, 05:26:43 PM
To be fair, he might have gotten confused about this particular conversation:

Gerik | Yesterday at 7:03 PM
Weve got one more lynch tomorrow even if we mislynch yeah?

Kaiveran | Yesterday at 7:03 PM
Yeah, it's just that tomorrow could possibly be F5
So just throwing out a vote is ill-advised :stuck_out_tongue:
For no-flip games, I use the term PFD (possible final day) for these sort of situations, I might have used in thread once or twice

Gerik | Yesterday at 7:05 PM
F5?

Kaiveran | Yesterday at 7:05 PM
Final 5. A LyLo situation

Gerik | Yesterday at 7:05 PM
Ah yeah ok

Kaiveran | Yesterday at 7:05 PM
We can't tell for sure of course, hence PFD.

Gerik | Yesterday at 7:06 PM
Sorry this game has been me learning a ton of new acronyms

Kaiveran | Yesterday at 7:06 PM
In the old days we just kinda winged it, believing whatever we believed and if we got pwned by a wolfrush, oh well
Today, we can do better

Gerik | Yesterday at 7:06 PM
Also thought the phase was supposef to end 6 min ago guess I still have time to do stuff
Just gotta try and bait the wolfrush yeah :p

Kaiveran | Yesterday at 7:07 PM
The opposite in fact. Although that trick might be made more possible.
My basic strategy is to treat it like LyLo, but have everyone analyze the living players and one they believe less likely to be the mislynch for possible wolf teams

It's also reasonable to think that it would be LyLo based on his wolf teams.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 16, 2019, 08:26:06 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

nvm then
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 16, 2019, 08:40:21 PM
in the night...

FireArrow died.  It is now Day 3.  Day 3 ends in less than 48 hours, at 10:00 pm CST on Thursday, April 18
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 16, 2019, 10:23:47 PM
Pretty sure it's Funnygurl/Shy now. I'm actually glad FA was wolfed, cause he was starting to worry me.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 16, 2019, 10:31:02 PM
Godspeed you fiery projectile.

"If i die bds mite be wuff" <- his last words
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 16, 2019, 10:37:11 PM
FOR SERIOUS THO:

Again, it's a potential 2:3 LyLo, so even if you're totally convinced of someone, DON'T VOTE YET.

I still think a massclaim has a slight chance to be useful. If even one blue is still alive, we can at least have an anchor for our wolfhunt; and at best we have a chance to counter a fakeclaiming wolf, greatly simplifying things. If not, we just roll up our sleeves and do things the old fashioned way.

Unless anyone has any substantive objections to the above, it should start ASAP, preferable as people get online tomorrow (RL time).
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 17, 2019, 01:16:04 AM
FA sent me this yesterday:
Log
GerikYesterday at 2:32 AM
Yo plan:
The only way there's not two wolves left is if shy jumped in on that rush without any outside info
Tbh i thought that was pretty obvious ib my argument but funnygurls pushing it and you agrred with her so eh
Im not gonna point it out because it means they'll leave me alive to frame me
Hoping they'll lynch davey if you keep pushing to lynch me tonight
Wolf*
Basically i want the inactive human wolfed so do everything you can to look like a useful puppet or whatever
Imma keep acting like I slipped till day phase
[close]

Obviously, I didn't respond. I read it and thought he was a wolf. As a wolf, I would literally have had no reason to wolf FA because he was probably the person I was going to go after, especially after this log, and it's not like my suspicion would have been out of the blue either.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 17, 2019, 01:25:22 AM
for some reason i believe you
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 17, 2019, 06:10:02 AM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 17, 2019, 01:16:04 AMThe only way there's not two wolves left is if shy jumped in on that rush without any outside info
^From the log.

Using FA's logic, me not having outside info means there's not two wolves left? Just trying to figure out what he meant and how he got to that logically.

Also, my role claim is still Normal Human, but you already knew that.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 17, 2019, 12:52:16 PM
I figured that since it came to me that FA and Funny had a chat, I might have outed myself to them already...but hey, let's make it public.

I'm the Revoker.

N1 I didn't target anyone, because I didn't make it to the game in time (🤦)
N2 I targeted leetic (🤦🤦)
N3 I targeted Funnygurl, and we still had a kill. So it's less likely (but not impossible) that she's a wolf.

I apologize for my uselessness behind the scenes this game. Hopefully my play in front of the scenes will make up for it.

SYG: Normal Human
Kai: Revoker
BDS: ???
davy: ???
Funnygurl: ???
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 17, 2019, 12:53:14 PM
Nice smiley codes, guys. (those are supposed to be series of three question marks)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 17, 2019, 06:56:28 PM
my man there ain't supposed to be a revoker this game. column c got chosen LOL
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 17, 2019, 06:59:21 PM
just wanna let y'all now that im dumb and dont read setups
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 17, 2019, 06:59:38 PM
Column C decides the wolf roles, not the human roles... I think?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 17, 2019, 06:59:40 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 17, 2019, 06:56:28 PMmy man there ain't supposed to be a revoker this game. column c got chosen LOL

I suggest you read the rules post again. Because that is exactly the reason why there can be a Revoker.


Quote from: mikey on April 08, 2019, 11:54:56 PM
  • Normal Wolf x2, Guardian x1, Tracker x1, Normal Human x6 (11C)
  • Normal Wolf x2, Guardian x1, Revoker x1, Normal Human x6 (12C)
  • Normal Wolf x2, Power Seer x1, Tracker x1, Normal Human x6 (21C)
  • Normal Wolf x2, Power Seer x1, Revoker x1, Normal Human x6 (22C)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 17, 2019, 07:01:35 PM
Yeah, we already resolved this via discord lol.

BDS and Funny: claims?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 17, 2019, 07:01:55 PM
There is a (Guardian or Power Seer) and (Tracker or Revoker)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 17, 2019, 07:07:47 PM
im a normal human y'all, if that wasn't already obvious  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 17, 2019, 07:18:06 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/ec/1c/3dec1c44675882cbc211c09f85b732d4.jpg)
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 17, 2019, 08:29:31 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 17, 2019, 07:01:35 PMYeah, we already resolved this via discord lol.

BDS and Funny: claims?
Normal human. So the only person we need to hear from now is davy.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 17, 2019, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 17, 2019, 06:10:02 AM^From the log.

Using FA's logic, me not having outside info means there's not two wolves left? Just trying to figure out what he meant and how he got to that logically.

BDS, no one responded. Is this what can be concluded based on what FireArrow was saying? And I still don't know why he said that.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 17, 2019, 09:08:09 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 17, 2019, 08:35:13 PMBDS, no one responded. Is this what can be concluded based on what FireArrow was saying? And I still don't know why he said that.
Not sure I completely understand what you're asking, but I think FireArrow believed there were two wolves (with you being one of them) because of how you hopped on the N1P2 wagon, meaning you likely were getting information from your partner.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: davy on April 18, 2019, 01:32:21 PM
That lynch last day phase just screams like it was instigated by the wolves to save Shy. Meaning Shy would be a wolf in addition to Kai or Funny (FA was also possible up until last night phase).

Ok, so appearantly it is claiming time. I am a normal human. Assuming everyone else speaks the truth, we have no way to disprove Kai's claim, so that makes it more likely that he is speaking the truth. More likely, but still far from certain.

BDS has been playing a solid game so far. He's still my only neutral lean, and with everyone else being suspicious to some degree, I am not willing to vote for him this phase.
I am worried that the wolf team is Funny/Kai. Then last day phase would make sense: they manage to lynch a human and set up the next lynch on another human. However, in that case FA would be a really questionable wolfing, because with him alive I could make the same argument about Funny/FA or Kai/FA.

Regardless of everything else though, my vote this phase goes to Shy. He should have been lynched last phase (and maybe even the phase before that) already. I'm not going to let him get off the hook again.

If this vote enables a wolf rush, I appologize to the other humans, but I won't be awake for phase end and I want to make sure my vote counts in PFD.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 04:03:55 PM
I don't think Kai is a wolf; it's very unlikely that both specials have been killed.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:13:32 PM
kai was talking yesterday about how davy/shy or bds/shy wolf teams are unlikely. i agree, especially after davy's vote rn. fmpov then shy's not in a wolf team here; his partner is dead or he just ain't a wolf period.

i'm not voting him. sorry. i'd try more at this point but im lazy lol
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:14:28 PM
to reiterate, i think we're defs safe for another phase here as long as shy doesnt die.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:16:13 PM
davy/shy is basically impossible after that vote, so it's best for me to vote bds. idk though i don't wanna make a mechanically dumb move so im holding my vote rn
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:21:52 PM
i'm also being lazy/not trying as hard as i should 'cause i wanna sleep. i've had insomnia for a while and i can finally sleep y'all it's lit
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 05:24:17 PM
I'm pasting this now so I don't get really confused about who's alive:

1. ShyYoshiGuy
2. Voozio Lynched
3. davy
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. Kaiveran
6. FireArrow Wolfed
7. Nana1Popo2 Lynched
8. leetic Wolfed
9. blinky Wolfed
10. funnygurl555

I essentially trust Kai is town both because of his claim and him sparing me twice. I don't fully think anyone else is town at the moment, but I don't have any strong suspicions atm. I'll try to figure things out later tonight.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:13:32 PMkai was talking yesterday about how davy/shy or bds/shy wolf teams are unlikely. i agree, especially after davy's vote rn. fmpov then shy's not in a wolf team here; his partner is dead or he just ain't a wolf period.

i'm not voting him. sorry. i'd try more at this point but im lazy lol
It's funny, because you're basically saying that from outside your perspective, you and Shy make the perfect pairing. :morton2:

Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:16:13 PMdavy/shy is basically impossible after that vote, so it's best for me to vote bds. idk though i don't wanna make a mechanically dumb move so im holding my vote rn
So pretty much, you're saying it's me and davy as the wolves, you just don't want to come out straight and say it.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:44:54 PM
it's possible that a wolf is dead too, then any of us could be partners (well in a world where the wolf is dead im not a wolf)

i understand that a me and shy pairing is possible in y'alls eyse , but i shouldn't be considered for the lynch tn regardless; voting for me is mechanically bad
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:45:30 PM
im operating as if it's f5 for safety purposes. if we think that, then the only possible wolf team is you and davy
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:45:50 PM
or... me and shy but like fmpov there's one possibility
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:44:54 PMit's possible that a wolf is dead too, then any of us could be partners (well in a world where the wolf is dead im not a wolf)

i understand that a me and shy pairing is possible in y'alls eyse , but i shouldn't be considered for the lynch tn regardless; voting for me is mechanically bad
If a wolf's dead, you don't really have any reason not to vote Shy, then?

Also, why is voting for you mechanically bad? Why you specifically?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 05:46:49 PMIf a wolf's dead, you don't really have any reason not to vote Shy, then?

Also, why is voting for you mechanically bad? Why you specifically?

kai claimed revoker, used his role on me, someone still died in the night
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:47:29 PMkai claimed revoker, used his role on me, someone still died in the night
Ah yeah, I forgot that. Still, it doesn't completely exclude you as a wolf; just makes me more likely to want to vote Shy.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:56:40 PM
i understand that i'm not cleared, but kai's night action confirmed that there's at least one wolf among you, shy, and davy

Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:56:40 PMi understand that i'm not cleared, but kai's night action confirmed that there's at least one wolf among you, shy, and davy
Then why do you single in on me over one of the others?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
Also my class is about to start so it'll be a while before I reply to you.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 06:05:09 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 06:02:29 PMThen why do you single in on me over one of the others?

so imagine you're me, and imagine that you're going to go into this phase with the assumption that two wolves are alive.

davy x shy is very highly unlikely 'cause davy placed a vote on shy and left.

if there are two wolves, then you have to be one of them.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:56:40 PMi understand that i'm not cleared, but kai's night action confirmed that there's at least one wolf among you, shy, and davy

So, this means either BDS or davy is a wolf (from my perspective). I already thought you two were a pair, but anyways, my vote is going to go to one of you two. Not sure which yet. I already thought davy was suspicious a while ago. He's still on about my inactivity at the beginning.

Quote from: davy on April 18, 2019, 01:32:21 PM[Shy] should have been lynched last phase (and maybe even the phase before that) already. I'm not going to let him get off the hook again.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 06:15:33 PM
Ugh...I am so sorry guys. Today's engagements had me away for longer than expected. Given that there's less than 2 hours to EoD, I doubt I'll be able to do the deep dive into the possibilities that I had planned.

What is certain, however, is that every single player was online and posted in the time since davy voted Shy, and there was no wolf rush. This means one of three things:
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 06:19:35 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 06:15:33 PMUgh...I am so sorry guys. Today's engagements had me away for longer than expected. Given that there's less than 2 hours to EoD, I doubt I'll be able to do the deep dive into the possibilities that I had planned.

What is certain, however, is that every single player was online and posted in the time since davy voted Shy, and there was no wolf rush. This means one of three things:
  • davy is a wolf
  • shy is a wolf
  • the wolves don't have the numbers to rush, i.e there's only one left.

Oh, interesting. If we're at lylo (as we've been assuming just in case, right?) davy's a wolf. I'm voting davy now as I was already expecting I would.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 05:56:40 PMi understand that i'm not cleared, but kai's night action confirmed that there's at least one wolf among you, shy, and davy
Funny is absolutely right about this, btw. We shouldn't vote outside of this pool. Even if we mislynch, there's essentially a 50% chance the game goes on.

The complication is we have a possible, but not 100% confirmed oppositional pair in davy and shy. Usually we resolve this by lynching one of the two. However, I can resolve this bloodlessly, no matter what, due to my power. On Night 4, I revoke one of davy and Shy, and announce which one I target before EON. If there's no kill, gg autowin, we lynch the one I targeted. If there is, I die of course, but whoever I targeted is confirmed innocent in F3, the best possible odds we can pull out of that situation.

And since, given 2 wolves alive, BDS/davy and BDS/shy pairs are both infinitely more likely than shy/davy, the optimal move here is to vote BDS.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 06:40:10 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 06:36:28 PMFunny is absolutely right about this, btw. We shouldn't vote outside of this pool. Even if we mislynch, there's essentially a 50% chance the game goes on.

The complication is we have a possible, but not 100% confirmed oppositional pair in davy and shy. Usually we resolve this by lynching one of the two. However, I can resolve this bloodlessly, no matter what, due to my power. On Night 4, I revoke one of davy and Shy, and announce which one I target before EON. If there's no kill, gg autowin, we lynch the one I targeted. If there is, I die of course, but whoever I targeted is confirmed innocent in F3, the best possible odds we can pull out of that situation.

And since, given 2 wolves alive, BDS/davy and BDS/shy pairs are both infinitely more likely than shy/davy, the optimal move here is to vote BDS.


This is breaking my brain right now. I'm so confused. Anyways, yeah, sounds like a good plan.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:21:14 PM
Quote from: Funnygurl555 on April 18, 2019, 06:05:09 PMso imagine you're me, and imagine that you're going to go into this phase with the assumption that two wolves are alive.

davy x shy is very highly unlikely 'cause davy placed a vote on shy and left.

if there are two wolves, then you have to be one of them.
You grilled FA on believing that there were two wolves left, yet suddenly now you're believing that.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:26:59 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 06:36:28 PMFunny is absolutely right about this, btw. We shouldn't vote outside of this pool. Even if we mislynch, there's essentially a 50% chance the game goes on.

The complication is we have a possible, but not 100% confirmed oppositional pair in davy and shy. Usually we resolve this by lynching one of the two. However, I can resolve this bloodlessly, no matter what, due to my power. On Night 4, I revoke one of davy and Shy, and announce which one I target before EON. If there's no kill, gg autowin, we lynch the one I targeted. If there is, I die of course, but whoever I targeted is confirmed innocent in F3, the best possible odds we can pull out of that situation.

And since, given 2 wolves alive, BDS/davy and BDS/shy pairs are both infinitely more likely than shy/davy, the optimal move here is to vote BDS.
Why can Shy and davy not be partners but not me and Shy...?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 07:28:22 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:26:59 PMWhy can Shy and davy not be partners but not me and Shy...?

I think he only said that because we (davy and I) have voted for each other.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:33:18 PM
Yeah, but my D1 vote nearly got you lynched, and kept you in the spotlight. Davy's vote for you could just be distancing cause he thought you were a lost cause.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 07:48:20 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:33:18 PMYeah, but my D1 vote nearly got you lynched, and kept you in the spotlight. Davy's vote for you could just be distancing cause he thought you were a lost cause.

Oh, I guess that's true.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:51:48 PM
The day is drawing to a close. Shy.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 07:53:07 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 06:40:10 PMThis is breaking my brain right now. I'm so confused. Anyways, yeah, sounds like a good plan.
In very simple language: Vote BDS. It gives us the maximum chance we make it to Day 4.
If there are 2 wolves alive, you and davy can't be wolves together, and the only plausible pairs left in the pool both contain BDS.If there is 1 wolf alive, and BDS is a mislynch, it still won't end the game.
In either case, I have a chance to win the game outright by Revoking the remaining wolf, or make someone a confirmed human.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:53:47 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 07:53:07 PMIn very simple language: Vote BDS. It gives us the maximum chance we make it to Day 4.
If there are 2 wolves alive, you and davy can't be wolves together, and the only plausible pairs left in the pool both contain BDS.If there is 1 wolf alive, and BDS is a mislynch, it still won't end the game.
In either case, I have a chance to win the game outright by Revoking the remaining wolf, or make someone a confirmed human.
Once again, WHY can davy and Shy not be partners, but me and Shy can be partners? Me and Shy make even less sense together.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 07:54:24 PM
Quote from: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 07:53:07 PMIn very simple language: Vote BDS. It gives us the maximum chance we make it to Day 4.
If there are 2 wolves alive, you and davy can't be wolves together, and the only plausible pairs left in the pool both contain BDS.If there is 1 wolf alive, and BDS is a mislynch, it still won't end the game.
In either case, I have a chance to win the game outright by Revoking the remaining wolf, or make someone a confirmed human.

If you say so, BDS.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 07:55:38 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 07:54:24 PMIf you say so, BDS.

I see my punctuation made it different from my intent. I meant: *If you say so. BDS.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:59:08 PM
i somehow doubt it was different from your intent
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 07:59:47 PM
Oh, welp

It doesn't look like Funnygurl or davy are gonna make it to EOD, so it'll be shy unless he self-pres votes for the second time running (lol)

I will pray for us.
P-EDIT: Or we could rand between the two, that's cool

P-EDIT-EDIT:
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 07:53:47 PMOnce again, WHY can davy and Shy not be partners, but me and Shy can be partners? Me and Shy make even less sense together.
Because everyone posted since dave's vote on Shy, and there was no wolf-rush. Meaning that either one must be a wolf

Hard-bussing at this stage is borderline suicidal with me in the game. I either catch them dead to rights or make F3 into a 1v1. There's no way they're letting that happen.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 18, 2019, 08:00:47 PM
finally game over wolves win
why did you not freaking insta shy my dude you could have ended it early
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 18, 2019, 08:01:25 PM
oh wait I didn't do the kitb
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 18, 2019, 08:02:11 PM
(https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/ba389818-46fb-445c-8b44-219783b56306.png)

game over wolves win
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 08:02:30 PM
:morton2:
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 08:03:05 PM
lol
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:03:20 PM
BDS was a wolf? You kidding me?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 18, 2019, 08:03:42 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:03:20 PMBDS was a wolf? You kidding me?
no, BDS died
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:04:16 PM
Then how does the kitb matter then?
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 18, 2019, 08:04:26 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:04:16 PMThen how does the kitb matter then?
it doesn't that's the joke
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:04:43 PM
Oh, nvm then.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 08:04:47 PM
wait excuse me what
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 08:05:09 PM
Quote from: mikey on April 18, 2019, 08:00:47 PMfinally game over wolves win
why did you not freaking insta shy my dude you could have ended it early
Yeah, maybe I got a little too into the act, hehe 😈
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:05:53 PM
Oh, it's Kai? But flipping how? That was an amazing job.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 08:06:50 PM
tfw i was right about kai all along
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: mikey on April 18, 2019, 08:07:16 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 18, 2019, 08:06:50 PMtfw i was right about kai all along
congrats for being the first person to vote for a wolf :party:

postgame to come
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:08:11 PM
Kai spared my life three times, the heck.
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 08:26:00 PM
Quote from: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:08:11 PMKai spared my life three times, the heck.
Spoiler: you actually become a wolf with me and davy and we live happily ever after
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: Kaiveran on April 18, 2019, 08:28:28 PM
Funnygurl also becomes the manager of a "nature reserve" that really serves as our hunting grounds. She gets a fat salary and huge fluffy hugs.

See, everyone wins!
Title: Re: TWG CXII Game Thread
Post by: ShyYoshiGuy on April 18, 2019, 08:33:48 PM
But, wow, you're awesome at this game. Idk how you did it. You were the only one I trusted at the end.