is it usual in ur countries that people (especially teenager) who like classical music are discriminated? In my country it is, unfortunatelly. That's somehow funny: In Austria, the place where the classical music was born with Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven they hate people who like classical music! Due to the fact that I really adore classical music, they sometimes call me gay or something like that. Is this "normal" in ur countries too?
Oh, yeah, that's usually the case in America too. However, at pretty much every High School, you can find a group of students who appreciate classical music, so it's not so bad.
Yeah, but you learn to just leave them to thier horrible sounding things that they call music.
Quote from: Brassman388 on April 26, 2009, 09:39:46 AMYeah, but you learn to just leave them to thier horrible sounding things that they call music.
hmm... maybe that's why you're discriminated against? an elitist attitude like that surely won't do you any good...
classical music is not enjoyed like it used to be... remember, its peak was a few hundred years ago... which means currently, for the most part it is used as an educational tool which i think might be part of the dislike for it, because due to the amount of history behind it there is so much to learn and it is easy to confuse someone who doesn't understand it...
the thing is that anyone who studies music educationally will likely appreciate classical music, but those who just listen for enjoyment will likely not enjoy it as much because there is all the history and understanding that needs to be put into it to understand it... whereas modern music does not have that background yet because its modern...
Quote from: blah54 on April 26, 2009, 10:15:46 AMQuote from: Brassman388 on April 26, 2009, 09:39:46 AMYeah, but you learn to just leave them to thier horrible sounding things that they call music.
hmm... maybe that's why you're discriminated against? an elitist attitude like that surely won't do you any good...
classical music is not enjoyed like it used to be... remember, its peak was a few hundred years ago... which means currently, for the most part it is used as an educational tool which i think might be part of the dislike for it, because due to the amount of history behind it there is so much to learn and it is easy to confuse someone who doesn't understand it...
the thing is that anyone who studies music educationally will likely appreciate classical music, but those who just listen for enjoyment will likely not enjoy it as much because there is all the history and understanding that needs to be put into it to understand it... whereas modern music does not have that background yet because its modern...
yeah I suppose that's true. Are there really "groups" who like classical music in America? Well in my school there are 2 people who listen to classical music. My friend and me. But it seems to me that a lot of people who listen to classical music listen to video game music as well. Maybe this is the "classical music" nowadays. But I hate people who say classical music is "gay" although they have never heard such music. It seems to me that the discrimination results from the peer pressure. And it is obvious that in High School peer pressure is a big problem.
My school's music department is a seperate building from the rest of the school, and pretty much everyone who hangs out around there is a total music nerd, kinda like us. We all know each other really well, we're all classical music listeners, it's actually a pretty awesome situation.
Quote from: blah54 on April 26, 2009, 10:15:46 AMhmm... maybe that's why you're discriminated against? an elitist attitude like that surely won't do you any good...
I'm sorry but I will never consider rap in any way, shape, or form music. All it is is people saying horribly written poetry to a beat. It takes no skill, no practice, and absolutely no brains to perform or enjoy.
Quote from: SirIngusBingus on April 28, 2009, 12:43:07 PMMy school's music department is a seperate building from the rest of the school, and pretty much everyone who hangs out around there is a total music nerd, kinda like us. We all know each other really well, we're all classical music listeners, it's actually a pretty awesome situation.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 28, 2009, 03:17:21 PMQuote from: blah54 on April 26, 2009, 10:15:46 AMhmm... maybe that's why you're discriminated against? an elitist attitude like that surely won't do you any good...
I'm sorry but I will never consider rap in any way, shape, or form music. All it is is people saying horribly written poetry to a beat. It takes no skill, no practice, and absolutely no brains to perform or enjoy.
You are absolutely right SuperFireKirby (I like this name :) ). In my opinion are rap songs primitive poetry with a beat. And SirIngusBingus I want to go to your school! This sounds amazing. REALLY EVERYONE? In my school there are two who listen to classical music and this in Austria.
What about concerts? Are there a lot in your country? (I mean classical music) Due to the Haydn Year, there are so many concerts, sometimes 3 a day.
There is definite discrimination, yet you'll find that there are a whole bunch who do enjoy it, as you may find a silent majority at certain places, for instance since they are commonly discriminated against they won't really make their opinions clear.
But ultimately, the main reason, I believe, for this is that, with modern technology you can just turn on your iPod and hear an orchestra, so in hearing classical music, it doesn't sound as 'cool'/epic as their music. Another contributing factor is the style of music, music portrays a message, always, whether, love, power, intensity, emotion, remorse, all these things are expressed in music, and the music a person listens to demonstrates some of their emotions. And at this point in time, few people feel like the piano can express their emotions, people want to be heard, people are depressed, when you think of depressed people listening to music, do you imagine them listening to classical, or rap something that requires no thinking, that in fact makes them stop thinking, why? because they don't want to face life. (this by the way, is not fact, this is theory, as I have seen it true in those around me)
Interesting...
I never give my iPod to anyone
I never let anyone listen to it
I never tell anyone what I'm listening to
Unless I'm home alone, I won't listen via speakers.
Why? Because the amount of crap you get for listening to "wrong" music just isn't worth it.
JaMaHa: Pretty much.
Quote from: JaMaHa on April 29, 2009, 02:12:08 AMI never give my iPod to anyone
I never let anyone listen to it
I never tell anyone what I'm listening to
Unless I'm home alone, I won't listen via speakers.
Why? Because the amount of crap you get for listening to "wrong" music just isn't worth it.
It is quite similar to what I do. My iPod is always at home. I hate people who use their iPods to show what music they listen to. Honestly, who cares what kind of music I like? This is just my "business". Even more, people take your iPod away and laugh at you. I always ask me: What's happening with the society? People are getting more and more stupid, their ecducation is really bad. And I absolutely can't stand, when someone who has an IQ between 0 and 10 laughes at me! And the problem is, most teenagers do that! Results this from peer pressure? Or are we living in a society, where the only important thing is to show off and to show that you belong to the group? 50 years ago the situation was totally different (it was the end of the romantic age too): People did not care what music you like! I think you can compare classical music (of course only in this situation) with alcohol, even if it sounds stupid. 50 years ago it was really unusual to be completely drunk and those who were totally pissed were the "outsiders". Today it is an ordinary situation when you see 13-year-old kids lying on the street completely drunk! And those (that's the reason why I compared it with classical music) who "refuse" alcohol are outsiders. Is this really necessary? What did the humans wrong, when I look at this society. And JaMaHa I am really in the same situation with you. But why aren't we allowed to listen via speakers without being laughed at and discriminated against? In my opinion this society must change, or else I am getting crazy. And why should we be ashamed just because we like classical music?
This is my point of view. I think not everybody will agree, but I think I am somehow right. And I am just in despair, because noone can stop the "lapse" of the contemporary society.
I'll tend to be on a slightly different note, and actually allow myself to be known, many people will flash some contempt, others will simply swear.(those people are part of the reason I continue, because they are actually so funny) And sometimes, you'll find a small group of people who enjoy classical/instrumental, and you know frankly, sometimes it is good to know that you aren't the only one who likes it.
I think classical music might comeback but probably not. As the time changes, so does the majority of the poulation's taste in music. 20 years ago it was long haired metal bands. Ten years ago it was hard rock, alternative when it was still good, hip-hop that was actually decent, ska punk, and metal. Now its super heavy metal, rap and the queer bag Jonas Brothers. I bet that by 2015 the majority of the population will have moved on to some other form of muic.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 29, 2009, 01:56:07 PMI think classical music might comeback but probably not. As the time changes, so does the majority of the poulation's taste in music. 20 years ago it was long haired metal bands. Ten years ago it was hard rock, alternative when it was still good, hip-hop that was actually decent, ska punk, and metal. Now its super heavy metal, rap and the queer bag Jonas Brothers. I bet that by 2015 the majority of the population will have moved on to some other form of muic.
That's an interesting point of view... This is possible in my opinion.
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on April 29, 2009, 01:56:07 PMI bet that by 2015 the majority of the population will have moved on to some other form of muic.
Polka Metal.
Quote from: dahans on April 28, 2009, 10:14:45 PMAnd SirIngusBingus I want to go to your school! This sounds amazing. REALLY EVERYONE? In my school there are two who listen to classical music and this in Austria.
What about concerts? Are there a lot in your country? (I mean classical music) Due to the Haydn Year, there are so many concerts, sometimes 3 a day.
In my school, there are maybe 40 who hang around in the music building, and 1600 total. That's 1/40, or 1.5%.
Are there Classical Concerts in America? Sure. Always. But America is huge. And to go to a concert like that, you often have to be in the right place. I am privelidged enough to live in NYC, and there are concert halls on half the streets. But, they can be expensive to go see, and therefore are most often just used for school trips.
Sorry about this resoponse taking so long, but I've been out a few days.
Quote from: SirIngusBingus on April 30, 2009, 11:57:27 AMQuote from: SuperFireKirby on April 29, 2009, 01:56:07 PMI bet that by 2015 the majority of the population will have moved on to some other form of muic.
Polka Metal.
Quote from: dahans on April 28, 2009, 10:14:45 PMAnd SirIngusBingus I want to go to your school! This sounds amazing. REALLY EVERYONE? In my school there are two who listen to classical music and this in Austria.
What about concerts? Are there a lot in your country? (I mean classical music) Due to the Haydn Year, there are so many concerts, sometimes 3 a day.
In my school, there are maybe 40 who hang around in the music building, and 1600 total. That's 1/40, or 1.5%.
Are there Classical Concerts in America? Sure. Always. But America is huge. And to go to a concert like that, you often have to be in the right place. I am privelidged enough to live in NYC, and there are concert halls on half the streets. But, they can be expensive to go see, and therefore are most often just used for school trips.
Sorry about this resoponse taking so long, but I've been out a few days.
Oh that's no problem. I didn't know that there are so many concerts. In Austria it's not that expensive I think. Between 30 and 70â,¬. And what concerts have you visited yet?
I've seen a lot, so I can't remember too well. Recently I saw a concert by the National Chorale, doing the Requiem.
by Mozart? I have got a really good link with all the 27 piano concerts, if you are interested iI could post it...
But there is something which has recently come to my mind. If you go to a classical concert, you see only old people. In 50 years' time they will be all dead and this generation hates classical music. And if there won't be a change soon, I fear that in the future there will be less concerts. Is there anyone thinking the same?
I'm not worried. People get older, so there will always be old people. And anyway, not everyone hates classical music in this generation. Also, teachers will always bring their students to concerts, so there's really not a big problem.
maybe you are right. But I hope that there will be a change soon. Just a small one and I would be satisfied.
ftp://193.219.14.37:21/pub/ (http://ftp://193.219.14.37:21/pub/)
And here is the link with all the 27 mozart piano concertos. It is maybe a big file (I think 600 MB) but the quality is good.
Where in the world do you find all this music!?!
Well... :D Do you like it? Or should I stop posting it? If you want I can create a new topic with EVERY music I have. And where do I find all this music? Yeah this is a secret :). But I am so friendly and will post the links. And if you need any music, do not hesitate to ask me, I would be pleased if I could post more. I think that's the most important thing of a forum. I give you something and you give me something.
NO! Don't stop posting!
But creating your own topic sounds like a pretty good idea. Just so that way, all these links are everywhere on the site.
Other than that, i love you music. Keep it all coming.
Ahhhh... the beauty of a masterpiece.
I think I will make a Mozart topic, a Beethoven, a Schubert, a Schumann (Haydn is already done :)) and so on
and have you already downloaded the 9 Beethoven Symphonies on piano? I advise you to do this, really good music.
I shall do this act and be victorious over thy foe who has been struck by thy sword in haze of this night.(dont know what the hell im sayin there) (well...kinda)
What do you mean by that?
exactly.
You can borrow my sword if you want. I am a warrior (today) after all.
:P