I have read somewhere on the forums that there has already been an article on youtube about NSM, but it has been deleted (does anybody know why?)
Due to the FACT that NSM is the most important arranging site I think we should all create a wikipedia article.
Because we have also many foreign members, we could create articles in different languages. I could make one in German for example, Cobraroll in Norsk, Roz in French.... Wikipedia can't delete them all xD.
But we need someone who has already submitted articles to wikipedia/is familiar with the formatting rules.
I think this is quite a good idea. But if you think it's rubbish, I am fine with that too^^.
I highly doubt we'll be notable enough for wikipedia. however if we are actually going to go through with this, I would suggest using wikia.
I'm not quite sure I understand this. Is this to create a Wikipedia page about the site? If so, what would go in it?
Quote from: DekuTrombonist on February 18, 2011, 02:21:45 AMI'm not quite sure I understand this. Is this to create a Wikipedia page about the site? If so, what would go in it?
That's a really good question! We have to discuss that as soon as we decide to create a wikipedia page.
Should I make a poll?
NSM is not notable. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability)
Well, that settles that.
Wikipedia has indeed gotten rid of pages more notable than us so there's no way this would last. And I don't really see what purpose a wikia would serve us either since there's not a whole lot that really needs explained about the site beyond what's already easily found here.
I think the more search engines and sites we're on, the better. True searchbots will come around, but they would do that anyways. If this article were created, it would lead to more references and more site visits; this leading eventually to more members and possibly more arrangers.
Wikipedia, I'm not so sure about. A wikia article would probably be better. Then we can go for the New York Times or Life magazine.
What's wikia? And that would be amazing if we could create a wikia article!
a wiki community anyone can start
We can make one... I'll be glad to help! It shouldn't be that hard.
dahans, if we make one, we should get a small group first (of like 5-6)
EDIT:
Ill make it !
NSM Wikia Page
1) DrP
2) Winter
3) SFK
4) Slow
5) Jub
6) Hansi?
7) <------- Space reserved for member from before the site crash in 2008
Who wants to make a wiki?
Like the people on NSM? :P
Yep!
I will.
A huge part of this site is it's history. That'd need to be in the wikia.
EDIT: Also, old members that have played a big role.
I'll help
I might not be an old member, but I'll help as much as I can.
None of us are new--me, Jub, drpamplemousse, or winterkid. But we do contribute (excluding me of course, because I just am a postfiend and spam up the storytelling topic)
Quote from: dahans on February 23, 2011, 02:11:44 PMWhat's wikia? And that would be amazing if we could create a wikia article!
wikia is not just for articles, it's for full fledged communities.
here's an example of a wikia for fire emblem http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_Emblem_Wikia
Quote from: drpamplemousse on February 23, 2011, 02:39:07 PMa wiki community anyone can start
We can make one... I'll be glad to help! It shouldn't be that hard.
dahans, if we make one, we should get a small group first (of like 5-6)
EDIT:
Ill make it !
NSM Wikia Page
1)
2)
3)
4)
5)
6)
Who wants to make a wiki?
I fully support the idea but in my opinion, what would go on it? what kind of articles would we make?
it'd be a waste of wikia's potential if we only had a few articles on it.
We can put in our history
Possibly have finale how-tos, do a bunch of stuff with the music like Wikipedia (the midi and the first line of sheet or something)
Maybe a commentary of each game (from the music perspective)
Make it our face to the world
Quote from: drpamplemousse on February 23, 2011, 06:50:41 PMMake it our face to the world
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi923.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fad71%2FJub3r7%2FPhil_s_face_drawing.jpg&hash=76aa0f72883a0d6464d6526b59d53ba8a5b40923)
Start the Editing!!!
go to the NSM Wiki (http://nsm.wikia.com)
It needs lots of startup work and someone who can really work on editing the front page and making it glorious! (That means you Winter)
Hmm. I guess I can help ye guys with that wikia page.
I just realized I don't understand it..
It's another forum???
If I could only ditch that page...
I want it to be another advertising thingy for NSM
We can figure it out!
We can even have epic profile pages!
Quote from: winterkid09 on February 23, 2011, 07:27:31 PMI just realized I don't understand it..
It's another forum???
Not quite. Bulbapedia is a huge example of a wikia.
We'd basically be like the "staff" that makes all the articles.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n208/shadoninja/NSM_Wikia_logo.png
here's a logo for the main page. I can't access the theme designer so I can't put it in myself.
Holy poots, this needs some work.
*cracks knuckles* Let's get started.
I think only admins can access the Theme Designer and some more advanced tools. DRP, make me an admin.(my user name is SuperfireKirby if you couldn't guess)
Quote from: SuperFireKirby on February 23, 2011, 08:25:32 PMHoly poots, this needs some work.
*cracks knuckles* Let's get started.
I think only admins can access the Theme Designer and some more advanced tools. DRP, make me an admin.(my user name is SuperfireKirby if you couldn't guess)
obviously.
Ok so how many of you actually know what you're talking about..?
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Quote from: SuperFireKirby on February 23, 2011, 08:25:32 PMHoly poots, this needs some work.
*cracks knuckles* Let's get started.
I think only admins can access the Theme Designer and some more advanced tools. DRP, make me an admin.(my user name is SuperfireKirby if you couldn't guess)
Roll up your sleeves, good sir. You're an admin!
I think my new theme fits a little better
indeed
Quote from: HugoMeister on February 23, 2011, 09:50:21 PMOk so how many of you actually know what you're talking about..?
If this were a facebook post. I'd hit like.
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fchintika.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F10%2Ffacebook-like-button-chintika.jpg&hash=749b30472324696014a875789780d26f7a69c623)
Someone should go on and put on the site history. A page is up for it, now someone just needs to fill it in.
Mmmmm, nope.
You could create a site using Wikidot, such as ninsheetm.wikidot.com
Or we could just use NSM's own hosting.
Assuming that we would even need a wiki. I just don't see the point.
I'm helping because I need more things to do in my spare time. Video games are starting to wear out on me
Quote from: JaMaHa on February 25, 2011, 11:28:40 PMI just don't see the point.
Bingo. We could make an "About" section on the home page, that would more than suffice. Making a wiki is just overly redundant. The forums aren't that big.
In agreement with an "About" section, say aye!
I'd write it if JaMaHa makes it!
Neither of those ideas are needed.
Obviously. But why would we have three four pages of this topic if we didn't want it?
Also don't bother deleting all your posts like u-x because it will build back up again anyways.
Sucks if you want it, its pointless!
page count is irrelevant.
Yes. and so is my post count.
Just because something is pointless doesn't make it necessarily undesirable.
Precisely! I decided to count how many days of school there are this year! :P
Quote from: pumpy_heart on February 28, 2011, 05:20:47 AMJust because something is pointless doesn't make it necessarily undesirable.
Well, too bad.
Whether it's pointless or not we already have the wikia.
There are so many things that could be improved site-wise and community-wise, why are you going to waste your time writing articles on all of NSM's shortcomings, when you could, well I don't know, FIX them...?
The majority of you guys who want to do this in the first place really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the site, with the exception of Shado who has been around here for as long as I can remember at least. (A good number of years, I'll thank you)
Quote from: HugoMeister on February 28, 2011, 06:23:48 PMThe majority of you guys who want to do this in the first place really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the site
This.
Hahahaha! Very nice.
It's pointless, useless, a waste of time, and not something any reasonable person would actually care about.
tl;dr stop.
Quote from: Dude on February 28, 2011, 06:14:09 PMWell, too bad.
I'm glad to see that everyone that condones this act is quick to offer aid to the other parts of the site. On page 4 alone, there are 3 people practically condemning this who haven't done much of anything for the site itself or at least not recently.
The pdf submission idea has been around since I got here, but it never became a reality until newer people came around and pushed for it. This is no where near as big an improvement as that, but it's an improvement none-the-less.
The strive for improvement should be seen as promising, not pointless.
Quote from: pumpy_heart on March 01, 2011, 10:32:26 AMI'm glad to see that everyone that condones this act is quick to offer aid to the other parts of the site. On page 4 alone, there are 3 people practically condemning this who haven't done much of anything for the site itself or at least not recently.
We've been here longer than most of the people who want it, when they have no clue what they're doing in the first place. Stop bitching and deal with it.
Contributing is a good Idea regardless of how small of a step it may be. I had to push and push for the PDF's being added to the site. Everybody put me down, everybody said JaMaHa wouldn't allow it, everybody said "There's no way JaMaHa would put a newbie in charge of it." And look now? It made a change and now people are commenting on the accessibility of our sheets. People love it! A wikia may be pointless for the most part, but it could hurt us in no way whatsoever, if members want to contribute in ANY way I suggest to never put them down, its a thoughtful idea and if they want to do it, let them. None of us are stupid, we know it's a small project, but it still helps. let people help if they want! Who knows, if it attracts even ONE more member, or informs one more person, then boom, our community expanded.
Advertising really is the key, all these "old timer" members who thing NOTHING will ever help are just wrong. Everything helps.
Maybe we're one step closer to becoming "notable" in Wikipedia's definition.
I just hate to see people being put down for a good deed. Especially if it's benefiting the person who is putting them down.
So please let these good people take time out of their day to help a site. Could it hurt? Nope. Not a bit.
Quote from: winterkid09 on March 01, 2011, 12:46:48 PMMaybe we're one step closer to becoming "notable" in Wikipedia's definition..
No, and we won't be on there until our active member amount grows by about 50x.
Seriously guys, this is a waste of time. Just get back to arranging and forget this.
It still couldn't hurt. Name one detrimental effect that it could have on NSM
no one but you is saying that it's going to hurt NSM, I can't speak for everyone else, but it's pointless to have a separate wikia when we could just put it in a section of the website. the extras section could use some more content.
I hate it when old members try to act like they are better than new members--which they could be, but not for that reason (*cough*SFK*cough*). Name one thing KF has contributed to this site other than sarcasm and derogatory comments.
At least I've arranged like four or five songs.
I'm not saying it will hurt NSM, it's just stupid. Why would anyone give a rat's ass about the "History of NSM"? Nothing worthwhile happened.
I thought that the creation of NSM was worthwhile.
Well I wouldn't know about that. As I came 3 or so months after.
The only people who would know about that are JaMaHa or G-Han. Good luck trying to get them to help you.
Is this seriously still being debated? o_o
Honestly, I don't think NinSheetMusic needs a Wikipedia Page. Search up "-insert video game- sheet music" and with over 1700 sheets and counting we're bound to have it. Plus, I doubt many people will wonder about the history of NSM (which will most likely be all that's put on the Wiki page anyway) unless they're part of the forum :|
I'm sorry but really, we do not need a wiki page. I've been ambivalent before, but this has to be said. We simply do not have enough material to make the wiki serve a substantial purpose. If anything should be done, we should look at maybe the extras section like Shadoninja said. There's enough stuff to get fixed up on the main website without having to worry about updating an entirely different site too.
Though I do appreciate NSM, all the sheet music it has bestowed upon the internet, and the opportunity it's given me to arrange and submit, it cannot claim to be something it's not. We just do not have the prestige to warrant this kind of undertaking.
If you really want to increase NSM's notability and notoriety, something a lot more ambitious than the creation of a wiki page will have to be done. We'll also have to be a lot more motivated as a website to accomplish anything. It'll take hard work and great ideas to really get this place into the upper echelons of internet fame or any echelon of internet fame for that matter. If someone gets a great and feasible idea, I'd gladly donate some time to it. But the ideas have to come first and a wiki page does not fit that classification. Maybe someday, but not today.
Quote from: Sekter77 on March 01, 2011, 05:13:44 PMThough I do appreciate NSM, all the sheet music it has bestowed upon the internet, and the opportunity it's given me to arrange and submit, it cannot claim to be something it's not. We just do not have the prestige to warrant this kind of undertaking.
Are you kidding? We're too good for Wikipedia. :P
Quote from: universe-X on March 01, 2011, 05:37:52 PMAre you kidding? We're too good for Wikipedia. :P
Ok. You got me there. :)
Quote from: pumpy_heart on March 01, 2011, 10:32:26 AMThe strive for improvement should be seen as promising, not pointless.
Ok, but how is making a wiki an improvment for the site? This site hasn't done enough to see where creating such a thing would be worthwhile. All this site does is provide sheet music; its not a compendium for the games associated, just a library. Why create another website whose only purpose is to describe said library? The only worthwhile I saw throughout this thread is a history of the site, not much history for this place to devote an entire wiki to.
However, a nice addition for this site would be a clearly displayed mission statement.
Quote from: winterkid09 on March 01, 2011, 01:21:59 PMIt still couldn't hurt. Name one detrimental effect that it could have on NSM
You're dividing the resources that NSM has. Rather than start a ton of different projects, why not finish what's started?
Attracting more members would help us finish out current projects. xD that's why.
Tell your friends. I just got a new member in today.
Do we have an organized list of current projects. All I know about is the long overdue Banjo Kazooie/Tooie project.
Perhaps we can delegate and and commit to working on different projects.
I know Winter and I are under fire for the wiki... and I do agree, a whole new site, a whole new host, a who new web address... C'est not the best, you know.
Perhaps, maybe once the projects come to near completion (whatever the amount is), we can do a site redesign. Update it with new web technologies (if our server supports it) create a new logo (it is cool) and do what MG said, write a mission statement, and do what others are saying is an "About" section... who we are, what we do, why we do it, etc.
I am officially admitting that creating the wiki was a hasty decision, and I'll keep it up just for a while longer while I do a little more research. I think we should keep anything here. Hopefully we can bring everything to the future of the web and all.
Our priority should be 1) Finish Projects 2) Weed out Spambot members with a RE-CATCHPA and trying to get new/deserted members here 3)Updating the site to new web standards.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on March 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PM3)Updating the site to new web standards
Of course, the only person currently able to do that is JaMaHa, and that would mean he'd need to find time and do work. And that's after his military service. Besides, I'm not sure if he is overly experienced in HTML and PHP. (It did take him a while to figure out how to make the new uploader, that's all I'm going on here.)
If JaMaHa can't or won't, he
could give someone else the job of coding, although he'd have to really, and I mean REALLY trust that person because they'd have the power to tinker with the database and write malicious code. I'd be more than willing (and I'm sure a lot of you will jump up and down now for it) but that's unfair to expect that.
Or JaMaHa will say the site doesn't need it and it serves its purpose. Which it does. But because it hasn't been updated graphically and web development strategies have improved significantly since it was first designed, many potential users might think the site is poorly managed and/or never updated. Not true of course, but the impression it gives is inherent.
In conclusion, it would be nice, but at the moment we don't have the capacity to do that.
...just my 124 cents.
Quote from: universe-X on March 01, 2011, 02:48:31 PMSearch up "-insert video game- sheet music" and with over 1700 sheets and counting we're bound to have it.
We might be bound to have it, but does it actually show up in a Google search? Try it out.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on March 01, 2011, 08:42:57 PMDo we have an organized list of current projects. All I know about is the long overdue Banjo Kazooie/Tooie project.
In order of when they were started:
1) Fixing the Sheets
2) Fulfilling the Requests
3) B-K/B-T Video Project
4) Adding PDFs
A mission statement would be nice and I agree about the need for a decent About/Extras section.
Quote from: WiiMan96 on March 01, 2011, 09:02:40 PMI'd be more than willing (and I'm sure a lot of you will jump up and down now for it) but that's unfair to expect that.
*Starts jumping*
Quote from: WiiMan96 on March 01, 2011, 09:02:40 PM...just my 124 cents.
Woah, don't overspend or anything.
Quote from: DekuTrombonist on March 01, 2011, 10:28:27 PMA mission statement would be nice and I agree about the need for a decent About/Extras section.
I'd be glad to write that.
I'd also want to help in the site design.
Also, should we weed out requests that are over a year old? That might make things easier.
Quote from: drpamplemousse on March 01, 2011, 11:02:35 PMAlso, should we weed out requests that are over a year old? That might make things easier.
Sometimes it's easy to forget that there are demand for sheets that aren't requested. If they are requested, there is a high chance that many others have looked for them and given up. Personally I'd like to keep them.
Also, in regards to page rankings, the best way to go about that is develop a reputation on other sites. Get other more formidable sites to link to us and not only do we get more visitors, but it better encourages search engines to bump up the page ranking. Keywords on both the main site and categories should probably be optimised so people typing in specific things like "kingdom hearts piano sheet music" will get the kingdom hearts page first. There's a few good articles about bumping page rankings on the net, many suggesting using keywords which are "competitive", that is those which encompass a large amount of what we do but aren't used by thousands of other sites.
After some tests with Google: searching "nintendo sheet music" puts us as number one, but "video game sheet music" or "game sheet music" puts us in the middle of the second page. Anything game specific ("mario sheet music", "zelda sheet music") puts us past the point where I would stop looking. The only searches where I found NSM were "pokemon sheet music" (5th page) and "donkey kong sheet music" (3rd page).
I think keywords are the biggest problem here. There's hardly any text around the site describing anything. It's nice that everything around here is pretty self-explanatory, but there aren't any keywords that really spell out exactly what we offer to anyone trying to search for quality video game sheet music.
Having other websites link to us would also be a big help in boosting our page ranking. We'd have to find some way to advertise our site though so people will want to share what we do. There's plenty of game and game music blogs so maybe we can get a couple to support us.
Also, finishing the projects we have would definitely make us a little more organized and professional. Creating a mission statement and adding to the About page shouldn't be too hard, but it would also help add some foundation.
Yeah, I can agree with that. I only found this website through pure chance. I'd have to say it was the luckiest thing that happened. :D
The "about" page doesn't seem like it would take years to make.
If someone wants to, they could type it up here for people to copy, edit, and add to until it seems good enough for the site.
I'd love to write it, but I would need some assistance from someone who's been here before everything collapsed before the ninsheetm.us days (as ninsheetmusic.net)
Give me a single reason why having a wiki will help enhance the function of the site as a sheet music archive.
Woah I thought this topic was dead xDDDDDD (I should be more active again) Anyway, what's going on? xD
Okay, couple of things.
One, a wiki makes no sense, still. A wiki is for something that needs multiple articles/pages. A simple "About" or "History of NSM" needs just one webpage, not a whole wiki.
Having a wiki also wouldn't increase our traffic at all, because for it to do so, people would need to find said wiki. A random wiki wouldn't show up on any search engine, nor any other site. At least not more ofen than the main site.
So please, stop discussing the wiki. As much as we appreciate help, people coming up their own ideas and registering things in NSM's name tends to hurt site more than it helps. Eg. NSM's YouTube channel.
As for the site makeover or whatsover. I have a project in the works. But alas, I'm serving in the military. I try to get some time every once in a while to continue the project, with the aim to finish it before getting home, aka next July.
Sounds good to me!
Quote from: JaMaHa on March 03, 2011, 10:51:53 AMEg. NSM's YouTube channel.
I found that. It really pissed me off.
For what it's worth, I joined NinSheetMusic a little bit before the 2008 site crash...
Time to lock this, JaMaHa turned down the idea, sorry everyone!