Up-up-up-updated!!!
We don't have many new sheets, but here's a few:
[GBA] Pokemon: Ruby/Sapphire - "Recovery" - CLBGM
[WII] Pokepark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure - "Loading Screen" -Bubbles7689
[N64] Paper Mario - "Jr. Troopa's Theme" - Dudeman
[N64] Paper Mario - "Walking on the Clouds" - mariolegofan
[GCN] Luigi's Mansion - "Dancing Shy Guy Ghosts" - Dudeman
At least we finally have something! Yay! Is the rest of the update coming soon?
Well this is pathetic. "Recovery" and "Loading Screen" are two of five songs of the first update in ages.
At least it's something!
Yaaay more updates! <3
Yay, Luigi's Mansion! Good enough for me :P
Why are so few sheets being accepted? D:
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 31, 2013, 02:36:39 PMWell this is pathetic. "Recovery" and "Loading Screen" are two of five songs of the first update in ages.
At least it's something!
>:(
He meant the songs, not the arrangements. No worries.
I'm just going to be happy that something happened and hope that the rest soon follows. Because I don't think the others weren't accepted.
Nice tiny update.
Also 2000th board post.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on January 31, 2013, 03:11:12 PMHe meant the songs, not the arrangements. No worries.
>:(
women
youll never learn to understand them
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on January 31, 2013, 04:03:48 PMwomen
youll never learn to understand them
Shhhhhh.....you no want zee hate, yes??
Wow, these sheets are great! I really need to get on track, I want to arrange more complex sheets. So many great ideas, so little time.
I'm just saying, those pieces probably took like 15 minutes to critique (and the recovery one about one minute). With only fifteen minutes' worth (or even if it took like 30 minutes) of critiquing for those alone, I would think that after four weeks we'd have more than three other sheets.
Still, if we do weekly or biweekly updates, these small updates will add up. The only problem is, I haven't seen evidence of that happening.
>:(
/inb4 bubbles
Not on piano.
Problem: You want someone on the forum to go away
Solution: Make it their duty to critique sheets
Also the irony of the arrangement titled "Loading Screen"
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 31, 2013, 06:44:29 PMProblem: You want someone on the forum to go away
Solution: Make it their duty to critique sheets
Can I invite people from other forums?
Nothing's changed at all!
HOLY COW TRIFORCED
Welcome back.
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 31, 2013, 05:24:43 PMI'm just saying, those pieces probably took like 15 minutes to critique (and the recovery one about one minute). With only fifteen minutes' worth (or even if it took like 30 minutes) of critiquing for those alone, I would think that after four weeks we'd have more than three other sheets.
Still, if we do weekly or biweekly updates, these small updates will add up. The only problem is, I haven't seen evidence of that happening.
Idk about the rest of them, but I spend over a day on each sheet when I update, but I take on at least 5 for that period. You have to count the time where you're keeping track of every arranger and trying to get them to come back and look at your revisions.
Time.
I wrote a piece about it once.
But I threw it out becuase it wasn't happening anytime soon.
It would seem that it needed more than it had.
Time.
It's a common thread I've seen in the 3+ years I've been on this forum. Reviewing an arrangement isn't just a quick scan. Just like publishing, you have to find and correct errors in the notation, and then make sure it matches the original manuscript's intent. 5 sheets in a week? Possible if one marathons the process. 5 sheets in a month? Time is working against you, get some help if you need it. Didn't we just hire more people for this very reason? It looks as if you all handle it in shifts, turn based; rather than setting aside a batch and have everybody work through them as they can. 3 people can knock out 6 sheets no problem, even if they only have one day to devote to the process.
It's hard to arrange that. (pun intended)
To get three or more people available AND motivated? oh lord.
I mean just today I asked another updater who will go unnamed, and they were busy. Actually having another person available at the same time more than quadruples production rate, curing the "I'm alone doing a frivolous task" mindset.
Would any updater like to maybe approach another updater to create a team for more than 10 minutes? Would really help. Please thank you.
I think you should just abandon the idea of weekly/bi-weekly updates. It's obviously not working for the staff, and it's only creating let down for those looking foward to it. Sure, massive updates of 20-30 sheets are wonderful surprises; but those clearly only happen once in a while.
It took one person 4 weeks to work on 5 sheets. Assuming each sheet takes 1-3 hours to do, for each one's given length and complexity, stop grouping 10 sheets under the mind set "due by-" and just handle it as "today/this week it's-" depending on the time you have. It's more reasonable to believe that everyone on the stave has a few hours each week to work on the sheets. So just set aside 5-10 sheets at a time, and have them tackle them as they can.
Do you have some free time tonight? Look over a sheet then! Just one sheet. When you're done, you're done. If you want to do another, more power to you.
No free time tonight? That's ok, odds are soemone else does.
It makes it easier to wake up or come home to see one more sheet in the stack sorted in the "Done" pile. It gives the group a sense of accomplishment, and will make the rest want to do their part.
Question. What goes into putting a sheet on the site? Is it something like putting the links on the site and making it look fancy, or is it more than that.
Good question. I basically use a webpage that I log into on NSM's intranet and I plug in the content that would be unique to each sheet ie: sheet title, arranger, game, and series. I also have each completed filetype on my hard-drive ready for upload similar to uploading a picture to facebook.
I can do a pdf, mus, and midi in one upload batch, but never more than one "song" at a time.
For your amusement...
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj121%2Fwinterkid09%2FSheetAdmin_zpsb6e603fc.png&hash=a8211f99e7275ae015be2a84d69aeca270089d2b)
If you're wondering, yes I do regularly use Internet Explorer. Yes, Windows 8 has been more clean, powerful, practical, and fun than any OS I have previously used. Mostly because Linux is only efficient if you've already wasted a year of your life familiarizing yourself with the process required in making every-day applications work on the damn thing.
And yes, I am reading an article about the effects of throwing a baseball at 90% the speed of light.
I love NSM's sense of humor! xD
I'm more for having regular updates than big updates, as I've stated many times before.
Visitors who occasionally drop by NSM to see if there is any news will be satisfied as long as something is uploaded with regular intervals. Big updates are nice and all, but if they only happen twice a year, they won't make visitors coming back. A small trickle of sheets, down to a couple of sheets a week, would still make the main site a place where people can expect some news with regularity. And two new sheets every week will fill up the database more quickly than 30 new sheets every four months.
I propose that we keep doing the submission process exactly as we do now, with a cap on how many sheets are uploaded in every thread, but that we open up for the thread to be emptied at a pace that fits the uploaders. If they can only critique and update a handful of sheets every week, so be it. Any news is better than no news. As the submission thread is gradually emptied, the workload will lessen. When the final sheet is uploaded, a new submission thread goes up. If people want more updates, they can help review the remaining sheets.
Either way, well done! It's good that we even got an update in the first place, no matter how small it was. Now looking forward to the next!
100% agree with Cobra
We should do daily updates again.
I 100% agree with Shadowkirby
I know everyone's been going crazy trying to think of a way for the submissions to work, so heres another one ^^
What if each arranger set aside a place in their submissions thread with the sheets they wish to submit, and the updaters can go through and check them at their own pace? Im not sure whether it would be easier to have huge updates with multiple sheets or just one at a time, but this could work either way. They would still need to be approved by multiple updaters like they are now.
Just a thought
also
Quote from: blueflower999 on February 01, 2013, 01:04:47 PMI 100% agree with Shadowkirby
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on February 01, 2013, 01:12:31 PMWhat if each arranger set aside a place in their submissions thread with the sheets they wish to submit, and the updaters can go through and check them at their own pace? Im not sure whether it would be easier to have huge updates with multiple sheets or just one at a time, but this could work either way. They would still need to be approved by multiple updaters like they are now.
That sorta eliminates the current order we have set... (By 'order' I mean opposite of chaos)
The possibility for disaster here is huge. (If not inevitable)
Therefore, I can't really say this should be a possibility.
How could it turn out as bad as I mentioned?
1) Arrangers who haven't posted anything in their submissions topic for a long time would therefore have their topic buried under X (insert reasonably big number) pages in the submissions board. Therefore, the updaters would have a very hard time finding those people. (If they can find them at all)
2) Unless the updaters can go through sheets at an average of 'I-don't-know-but-it's-lots' sheets per hour, arrangers will be waiting forever to get their sheets looked at. Because the updaters can only deal with 1 person's arrangements at once.
3) Because only one person is getting all the attention for Y amount of time, all the other arrangers would be on hold until their turn.
Let's just say I feel bad for whoever's in last. I it were me, I'd probably get discouraged after a year or so and would probably just quit.
4) Even if your arrangements had just been looked over and those that met standards were added to the site, you'd have to wait until the entire process goes around again to get your next batch up. New ones and old ones that you fixed to meet standards.
5) If the updaters can't add sheets to the site faster than the combined efforts of all the arrangers can arrange, each arranger's list is going to get longer and longer. And therefore the time it takes for the updaters to clear that list will get longer and longer and eventually.... You get what I mean.
6) I couldn't type as fast as the thoughts flew through my head so I've forgotten the rest. I think there were two or three more I was going to write down...
But I did list the biggest points. So that's basically why I don't think that would work.
Quote from: shadowkirby on February 01, 2013, 12:19:20 PMWe should do daily updates again.
Yes if we can keep it up. It wasn't really going long enough to see if it really worked and if it did, how well; (two days is hardly a trial period. :P) but I'm ready and perfectly willing to try it again.
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on February 01, 2013, 01:12:31 PMI know everyone's been going crazy trying to think of a way for the submissions to work, so heres another one ^^
What if each arranger set aside a place in their submissions thread with the sheets they wish to submit, and the updaters can go through and check them at their own pace? Im not sure whether it would be easier to have huge updates with multiple sheets or just one at a time, but this could work either way. They would still need to be approved by multiple updaters like they are now.
Actually, this was the way it was done way back when I joined. It turned out that required the mods to constantly sift through dozens of submission threads, people complaining about the mods "not picking their best song", and people claiming to be overlooked. A mess to organize. It changed to the current model to ease the work for the uploaders.
I 100% agree with nothing
I say change nothing. Buy everyone a caffeine pill. I am starting to work on submissions if you can't tell, and what the heck is deku doing o.o
Quote from: Winter on February 01, 2013, 03:03:19 AMAnd yes, I am reading an article about the effects of throwing a baseball at 90% the speed of light.
http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
I was reading that a few days ago too!
That's the one! And I made it through at least fifteen of those. My favorite was the 'probability of the election ending in a tie'
Quote from: Dude on February 01, 2013, 06:06:08 PMhttp://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
I was reading that a few days ago too!
This website is really cool. I would never think in the way those guys do.
My favorite was the 'Glass Half Empty' one.
Quote from: BonusPwnage on February 02, 2013, 08:04:13 AMThis website is really cool. I would never think in the way those guys do.
My favorite was the 'Glass Half Empty' one.
The way they approach the problems is so zany (such as the glass, for example). :P
I might consider submitting a question...
Quote from: BonusPwnage on February 02, 2013, 08:04:13 AMThis website is really cool. I would never think in the way those guys do.
My favorite was the 'Glass Half Empty' one.
Vsauce (http://www.youtube.com/user/vsauce) does a lot of this stuff.
VSauce is Uber Coll. If you're into geeky knowledge, I recommend checking them out.
Not sure why they need 3 channels, though.
Quote from: JDMEK5 on February 03, 2013, 10:19:17 AMVsauce (http://www.youtube.com/user/vsauce) does a lot of this stuff.
Yeah, I watch Vsauce all the time, and I just saw the space travel one. I agree with Blue as well; the three channel thing is just unnecessary.
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Quote from: Shadoninja on February 04, 2013, 03:32:57 PMBecause this is so relevant to the update, guys.
I think all discussion about the update's been discussed already.
But you're right. I'm done.
Glad to see more Luigi's Mansion!
^ You're welcome!
It's one of my favorite games and I love the soundtrack!
I see that the updating process takes long time because of revisions. I thought that the thing that made updates so rare was the lack of arrangements. I was wrong I suppose. If I may ask, why does it take so long time to go through arrangements (i.e. is it because of many mistakes in the notation (which can be avoided pretty easily with decent knowledge of music theory) or maybe because the arranger chose wrong rhythm and/or tones here and there)?
There are a TON of arrangements, the problem is no one will take the time to critique or upload them for any number of reasons.
Quote from: Ricky on February 08, 2013, 10:08:01 AMIf I may ask, why does it take so long time to go through arrangements (i.e. is it because of many mistakes in the notation (which can be avoided pretty easily with decent knowledge of music theory) or maybe because the arranger chose wrong rhythm and/or tones here and there)?
I think it's mostly either accuracy issues, formatting issues, and/or theory issues. (Such as rhythm groupings a vast majority of the time)
Quote from: Ricky on February 08, 2013, 10:08:01 AMI see that the updating process takes long time because of revisions. I thought that the thing that made updates so rare was the lack of arrangements. I was wrong I suppose. If I may ask, why does it take so long time to go through arrangements (i.e. is it because of many mistakes in the notation (which can be avoided pretty easily with decent knowledge of music theory) or maybe because the arranger chose wrong rhythm and/or tones here and there)?
It is because we have adopted much higher standards than previously expected of arrangers, and TWO updaters have to approve every sheet before anything goes up.
I decided to give a hand and sent a post into social bookmarks. I hope the popularity will rise in.
^Umm... what?!?
Quote from: CamKrist on February 11, 2013, 06:38:14 AMI decided to give a hand and sent a post into social bookmarks. I hope the popularity will rise in.
Could you please try and explain it where it makes sense, good sir/ma'am/robot? :P
I believe he is saying that he is spreading the word about the site by visiting all of his social websites he has bookmarked and telling them about it.
Quote from: Pikminsi on February 11, 2013, 04:05:00 PMI believe he is saying that he is spreading the word about the site by visiting all of his social websites he has bookmarked and telling them about it.
...but that doesn't change the problem or lessen it... if anything, it increases the demand for more sheets, and you'll probably get very few extra arrangers/updaters, especially if they are unskilled, which many people are extremely likely to be (if they're from "social websites").
He's not trying to solve any problem or even say that there is one. He's just a visitor who likes the site and wants more people to visit it.
At least, I think that's what he said.
Quote from: spitllama on February 11, 2013, 07:51:53 PMHe's not trying to solve any problem or even say that there is one. He's just a visitor who likes the site and wants more people to visit it.
At least, I think that's what he said.
Quote from: CamKrist on February 11, 2013, 06:38:14 AMI decided to give a hand and sent a post into social bookmarks. I hope the popularity will rise in.
Seems otherwise, unless he's a confused person. :P
I interpreted that as "give a hand in finding more visitors"
But eh *shrugs*
Quote from: spitllama on February 11, 2013, 08:00:14 PMI interpreted that as "give a hand in finding more visitors"
But eh *shrugs*
The fact that others were talking about arrangement acceptance and quality control seems to imply otherwise, unless, like I said, he's a confused person, or has poor timing. :S
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I like it how we're still posting in this thread.
I REALLY love Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie and was hoping you could add the klungo boss fight theme, i'd love to know how to play it on my keyboard!! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Jiggyhunter on February 28, 2013, 12:32:16 PMI REALLY love Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie and was hoping you could add the klungo boss fight theme, i'd love to know how to play it on my keyboard!! ;D ;D ;D
...this isn't the place to request it... :P
And please remember the rules for a proper request.
Banjo Kazooie sounds like a bad pron film.
When's the next update going to be?
The 12th of Octember.