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Title: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on February 18, 2013, 12:33:07 PM
This needs a proper topic. No spoilers thx. I think the first three games are the best and they go like 1<2<3. The first AA was like a introduction and things get real in the sequels. Justice For All could be my least favourite but it had such good third and final cases that maybe it's a bit better than the first one. Trials and Tribulations is ofc the best and one of the best games ever. The coolness of Godot is not even measurable.

Apollo Justice wasn't bad either, I especially liked that new perceive system. And it has some awesome music. Then there's still Investigations:Miles Edgeworth, I've mainly heard only love/hate comments about it but it was okay. Worst of these five but still very enjoyable.

So, what do you think of the series? I'm also looking forward to Ace Attorney 5, hope it'll come out in the near future.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on February 18, 2013, 12:43:29 PM
I loved the first game, can't find any of the others but am looking!

Professor Layton vs Ace Attorney will obvsly be my favorite though.

Also on another note, today I bought Ghost Trick also by Capcom, and it's pretty cool so far.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on February 19, 2013, 08:55:15 AM
Miles Edgeworth was different, but it was fun. Not as fun as the main games though. My favorite definitely was AA3, and I think they go 3>1>2>4. I just didn't like Apollo Justice as much as the other games.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on April 18, 2013, 02:40:47 AM
Boxart for Ace Attorney 5

http://www.japanator.com/ace-attorney-5-s-boxart-fills-me-with-happy-feelings-28507.phtml

I'm glad that Apollo's there and the new prosecutor also looks kinda badass.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on April 18, 2013, 02:56:20 AM
Started playing this. It makes me feel smart.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on April 18, 2013, 03:08:33 AM
Son I am proud.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on April 18, 2013, 03:43:14 AM
Ace attorney... I must say, this series HAS changed me (in a good way (hopefully)) the concept of thinking before placing judgement on things (and defending things passionately)

My personal favourite is the original AA. I feel that adding the 2nd and 3rd games mechanics
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in particular... the profiles tab being selectable and needs to be presented at times...
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were just a tad too much.. I played them in this order, PWAA, AJAA, JFA, T&T, AAI
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I admit, that i used a walkthrough Heavily in certain parts of AJ, JFA, T&T and AAI
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During the last case for a majority... but during JFA and T&T, a few times when i got stuck in needing to do a certain action
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My preference of games goes as follows
PWAA, T&T, AAI, AJAA, JFA (for the aforementioned parts)


Now, AA5... That boxart... having a look at previous boxarts, Something that is a common theme.. you have, Main Character, "primary" assitant, Main antagonist, And the main point of the story (with PWAA being the exception), So i will (cause i can "safely") put money on Apollo being the "centre" of the story...

I have two griefs with this game...
1, Phoenix looks... different (i know age is a factor... but in AJ, you can see a resemblance, and AA5 sprite looks NOTHING like AJ sprite (regardless of different things... *goes to have a look at Original sprite vs new*)
Ok, there is some resemblance...
There is a HUGE difference between GBA and 3ds, And i must say, Older is better, He's good in PLvsAA, But it doesnt convert in AA5, Its just a few small details... I think he's too "bright" The pallete is being bright in the sense, but eh, its only a character draw, graphics dont determine a games quality (but they can chase people away :P)

the 2nd thing...
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Im going to have to put in a spoiler...
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So... Heres the problem they have created, They have dumped the "original" cast with no backstory whatsoever... We need at least one "intro case", Prolly not a backstory case (AAI and T&T cough, unless we get something between T&T- Graeymere or anything inbetween involving the "old cast" (knowing my luck, it will be apollos trial "6 months ago" xD)) so 3 cases to work with... Im going to say at least 1 for apollo (with maybe mentions in previous chapters...) and leaving two chapters to bring in the old cast...  (although AJ tied in All four so beautifully...)
 
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Expectations for this game:
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Trucy makes an appearance/mention (outside of the locket)
Ema has a "good" relation ship with wright, similar of how Gumshoe would help out wright in a crisis (exhibit last case of each game)
The prosecutor has a "von karma" attitude (considering a motif of this game is fixing the judicial system...)
And with the last note... Trials will be bench trials (or else why have the motif?)
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The series has a combination of great story, great characters, good music, And i cant wait for AA5 to come out (in english, Along with AAI2, PLvsAA)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on April 18, 2013, 01:45:47 PM
Ugh I'm so very poor right now, but holy crap I need that sweet AA5 limited edition.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 18, 2013, 01:58:13 PM
I really want to get Justice For All (which I understand is the second game?) but it's super expensive right now @_@ $40 is more than some 3DS games. Trials and Tribulations is cheaper, would I be okay skipping Justice For All or not really?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on April 18, 2013, 02:24:25 PM
In my opinion Justice for All was the worst game out of the three. It was still a pretty good game, but I didn't like it as much as the other two. Of course it'd be better if you could play it, but you don't really miss out on anything if you don't.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on April 18, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
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Holy shit Reed White is an utter asshole.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on April 18, 2013, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: Yugi on April 18, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
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Holy shit Reed White is an utter asshole.
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And 9/10 culprits are like that
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on April 19, 2013, 02:54:01 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on April 18, 2013, 01:58:13 PMI really want to get Justice For All (which I understand is the second game?) but it's super expensive right now @_@ $40 is more than some 3DS games. Trials and Tribulations is cheaper, would I be okay skipping Justice For All or not really?

I would play JFA first just because T&T is much better. JFA also introduces one or two important characters.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 19, 2013, 03:52:48 AM
My amazing friend is letting me borrow Justice For All!!!! Love you Sarah! XD
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: BigDaddysPizza on April 20, 2013, 12:49:52 PM
QuoteAlso on another note, today I bought Ghost Trick also by Capcom, and it's pretty cool so far.
I'm glad you followed my advice and got it. It will be worth your money, don't worry.
QuoteProfessor Layton vs Ace Attorney will obvsly be my favorite though.
That game looks unreal. I am dying for it to be localized. It HAS to come to the USA!
And once you finish JFA, don't forget T&T. (the highlight of the series)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 20, 2013, 12:59:45 PM
Today I was at Gamestop and they had used copies of both Apollo Justice and Trials and Tribulations for $20 apiece. I didn't expect to find them there so I didn't have any money @_@ I'll get them if they're still there next time.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on May 11, 2013, 03:08:31 AM
Oh god.

Von Karma's objections are demonic
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on May 11, 2013, 04:00:32 AM
Manfred or franziska?

 
AA5 spoiler
WE GET TO PLAY AS APOLLO, YAY, Although, it doesnt look like we'll know what happened to the original cast :/ (unless we get a case bringing them in, but i doubt it)
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on May 11, 2013, 04:02:37 AM
Manfred.

Seriously, he sounds like the love child of Darth Vader and a Cyberman.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on May 12, 2013, 10:29:28 PM
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(http://media.tumblr.com/64ce5a340500fd3d05b74d818f83c2f6/tumblr_inline_mm2v74cbPE1qz4rgp.gif)

The real reason Edgeworth isn't in GS5.

Phoenix causing an earthquake every time he hits his damn desk.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on May 13, 2013, 06:10:47 AM
Quote from: Yugi on May 12, 2013, 10:29:28 PM
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(http://media.tumblr.com/64ce5a340500fd3d05b74d818f83c2f6/tumblr_inline_mm2v74cbPE1qz4rgp.gif)

The real reason Edgeworth isn't in GS5.

Phoenix causing an earthquake every time he hits his damn desk.
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Too true xD
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: BigDaddysPizza on May 13, 2013, 04:53:01 PM
Just thought I'd update this topic by saying the 5th AA has its name in English: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies
It will be available fall 2013 ONLY for the 3DS eshop.
(I don't think the following counts as spoilers, so I'll continue)
Main characters Wright and Apollo Justice will be playable. The new assistant is named Athena Cykes. (Apollo and Athena...get it? aha...ha...)

It's a little disappointing that the game can't be bought physically at a store and will probably hurt its sales.
But other than that, the trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAPlAzB38uU (ftp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAPlAzB38uU)) looks pretty cool. Can't wait. I'm downloading it the first day.
What do you think?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on May 13, 2013, 08:27:03 PM
I'm upset. I wanted the cool Japanese pre-order bonuses, but now... no chance of that happening. The thing I'm most upset about though is that they're releasing the game on the 3DS eshop... so basically if I lose my 3DS I'm screwed? It'd be better if they had an account system thing like XBLA and PSN. Oh well. I'm still gonna get it and I know I'll love that game, but I'll probably have to import a Japanese copy... those pre-order bonuses are just too damn awesome.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 13, 2013, 08:42:10 PM
3DS games are region locked :/
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on May 14, 2013, 02:11:56 AM
Quote from: Roz~ on May 13, 2013, 08:27:03 PMI'm upset. I wanted the cool Japanese pre-order bonuses, but now... no chance of that happening. The thing I'm most upset about though is that they're releasing the game on the 3DS eshop...

My reaction to that:

http://i20.mangareader.net/yotsubato/16/yotsubato-149607.jpg
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on May 14, 2013, 08:45:55 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on May 13, 2013, 08:42:10 PM3DS games are region locked :/

I know =P But I really want the Japanese preorder bonuses... I could always sell the game on ebay.

Quote from: GaryOak on May 14, 2013, 02:11:56 AMMy reaction to that:

http://i20.mangareader.net/yotsubato/16/yotsubato-149607.jpg

Lolol
it's not that I hate the 3DS eshop, but a lot of people would've liked at least a limited physical copy run, and only being able to download the game is meh. A lot of people love to own physical copies of their games so they can put them on their shelves and I guess I'm one of those. Now my shelf will look empty without that game =P
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on May 15, 2013, 03:59:11 AM
Megane-Edgeworth looks kinda cool

http://i.imgur.com/aa5PT6U.jpg
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on May 15, 2013, 04:16:15 AM
Edgeworth in AA5....

(who else are we going to get to bring back the "justice" system... Looks like a big game with all they are putting in, and all the cameos here there and everywhere...
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Jamaha on May 17, 2013, 12:43:42 AM
I've never actually played any of the Ace Attorney games. I probably should have.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on May 17, 2013, 02:10:29 AM
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...cornered 2013: Sheet music, Nao (please and thanks if anyones up to the challenge, not making a request due to the nature of said music)
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 17, 2013, 03:40:44 AM
Quote from: Jamaha on May 17, 2013, 12:43:42 AMI've never actually played any of the Ace Attorney games. I probably should have.

Depends on the style of games you like, but Ace Attorney is a wonderful game in my opinion. It's not action packed or anything but it's very engaging.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Jamaha on May 17, 2013, 06:03:26 AM
Mm, I probably would enjoy them.

The problem with Nintendo games (and console games in general) is that their price doesn't really drop, at least not over here. Paying something like 40€ for a game that's several years old feels like wasting money.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: FSM-Reapr on May 17, 2013, 06:31:35 AM
Quote from: Jamaha on May 17, 2013, 06:03:26 AMThe problem with Nintendo games (and console games in general) is that their price doesn't really drop, at least not over here. Paying something like 40€ for a game that's several years old feels like wasting money.
This. So much this.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on May 23, 2013, 12:22:14 AM
Quote from: Jamaha on May 17, 2013, 06:03:26 AMThe problem with Nintendo games (and console games in general) is that their price doesn't really drop, at least not over here. Paying something like 40€ for a game that's several years old feels like wasting money.
Would it be possible to get it second hand? It would probably be cheaper, and if the person finished the game, you could skip some of the annoying filler cases like Turnabout Samurai (I think?) and Turnabout Big top.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Bubbles on May 23, 2013, 12:31:04 AM
If you got it secondhand, you'd still want to play the whole thing. I loved Turnabout Samurai!

I started this game a few days ago and just finished case 4.
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Lotta said she photographed a ghost (oh lotta) BUT THEN THE PICTUREE
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I wonder if by the time I catch up to the games they will have realized their mistake and make a physical copy of the new game.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on May 23, 2013, 12:32:44 AM
I guess having to do the majority of the phases several times made me not like that Turnabout.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 23, 2013, 05:23:47 AM
I hated Turnabout Samurai, way too long. Case four however was excellent.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 25, 2013, 11:30:13 AM
I bought Justice for All today :) now I have the first three games and I haven't played any but the first--epic 8)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on May 25, 2013, 05:02:10 PM
Play. Now.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 25, 2013, 05:06:12 PM
I love Wright with amnesia
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 31, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
Open these three links at the same time (trust me)
http://www.rainymood.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMnrl0tmd3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIx3aMRDUL4
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on June 01, 2013, 10:14:59 AM
My guess is that it's Fragrance of dark coffee (jazz or not) + rainy mood + fireplace

Edit: Wow I'm good
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on June 09, 2013, 03:39:06 AM
Wellington loves large bananas.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 09, 2013, 06:38:58 AM
Wellington is flawless.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 09, 2013, 06:50:01 AM
Still looking for Professor Layton x Phoenix Wright...help me out, guys!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on June 09, 2013, 11:35:48 AM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 09, 2013, 06:50:01 AMProfessor Layton x Phoenix Wright...

Stahp.

I'm replaying Trials and Tribulations. It's actually kinda sad how cool Godot is. Nothing in this world will ever be that cool. The highest level of coolness has been permanently set by him.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 18, 2013, 12:27:56 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/07/17/phoenix-wright-dual-destinies-rated-m-due-to-various-crimes-a/

Well this kind of shocked me.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 20, 2013, 08:37:06 AM
I'm on the second case of Justice For All, and
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Von Karma's daughter
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is absolutely hilarious, I was unable to breathe from laughter--the situation was just so ridiculous. I love the NPCs in this game.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on July 20, 2013, 08:54:26 AM
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dat whip

(http://imageshack.us/a/img706/7703/fmg2.jpg)
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on July 20, 2013, 04:55:40 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 20, 2013, 08:37:06 AMI'm on the second case of Justice For All, and
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Von Karma's daughter
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is absolutely hilarious, I was unable to breathe from laughter--the situation was just so ridiculous. I love the NPCs in this game.
HAve you finished the case yet?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 20, 2013, 06:21:45 PM
Nope, I've been busy all day. :( when I get home, I'm about to begin the second day in court, which I'm assuming is the last part of the second episode.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on July 20, 2013, 06:48:37 PM
She's definitely one of my favorite character from the AA series. <3
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on July 20, 2013, 09:56:45 PM
Franziska's funny, but I like her dad more. >_>
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 20, 2013, 10:11:39 PM
Her dad wasn't as funny but I love his ridiculous deep version of OBJECTION

Also finished episode 2 "Reunion, and Turnabout." Won't say much here because I'm planning on writing a review of the game in my thread :)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on July 20, 2013, 10:24:52 PM
Yeah, his super-deep "Objection!" is one of my favourites, alongside Payne's crazy high-pitched one.

Anyways, I'm going through Investigations 2 right now, reached Case 3, and I'm SO HYPED about it.
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You play as Edgeworth's dad vs. Manfred von Karma!
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on July 22, 2013, 01:07:00 AM
I saw this in tumblr, dunno if it's true

"So apparently (according to this interview with GS5/DD producer Motohide Eshiro), we will get new dialogue at every piece of evidence we present, even if it is not relevant to the case."

Not sure what I think of that.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on July 22, 2013, 04:35:52 AM
Quote from: GaryOak on July 22, 2013, 01:07:00 AMI saw this in tumblr, dunno if it's true

"So apparently (according to this interview with GS5/DD producer Motohide Eshiro), we will get new dialogue at every piece of evidence we present, even if it is not relevant to the case."

Not sure what I think of that.
Just clarifying in english, so that every time we present an evidence, even the wrong one, we go down the track that said evidence is taking us? even if it ends up nowhere? looks like penalties are gonna be more epic now :D

(prolly not, But still, Would be a great concept (and explain the 4 year gap since AAI2...)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on July 22, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
That's pretty cool. It'll waste even more time whenever we Present something wrong to ask the people for information, but yay for more dialogue. >_>

Quote from: fank009 on July 22, 2013, 04:35:52 AM(prolly not, But still, Would be a great concept (and explain the 4 year gap since AAI2...)

Four years? Investigations 2's only been out for a bit over a couple of years though...


By the way, producer's said that he's interested in making Investigations 3, if possible.

"As far as a continuation of the Investigations series goes, I would love to do another one, personally, and I know [scenario director] Mr. Yamazaki would also be interested in getting something like that spun up," Eshiro revealed. "It would be a matter of securing the appropriate personnel within Capcom and getting everything planned, so I intend to try to do something with that in the future, but I can't make any promises."

Here's the source. Kinda talks about Edgeworth's role in this game, so minor spoilers:
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/07/22/ace-attorney-producer-would-like-to-continue-ace-attorney-investigations/
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 22, 2013, 11:29:01 PM
Finished Justice For All.

I'll be writing a review of it soon.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 23, 2013, 10:42:21 AM
My review is up! Also I'll be starting Trials and Tribulations soon (I have Apollo Justice on order from Amazon, but it hasn't arrived yet).
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on July 23, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
^ Hope you enjoy it. That game's my personal favourite in the series (although Investigations 2 is looking like a strong contender so far too).
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 23, 2013, 01:46:25 PM
Investigations 2 was never released in the US, I think.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on July 23, 2013, 01:57:45 PM
That's correct, sadly. I've been going through the Japanese version, with a friend to help me out in understanding.

However, this guy's doing a fan translation on Youtube, if you get to that point and feel desperate enough:
http://www.youtube.com/user/dowolf
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on August 07, 2013, 07:39:35 AM
Apparently Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney is coming to Europe/US next year. Yay.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 07, 2013, 08:03:40 AM
Yeah I'm almost crying this is awesome guys
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on August 11, 2013, 04:37:06 AM
AA5/ PWvs AA... Nintendo Really want me to buy a 3ds...
Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 07, 2013, 08:03:40 AMYeah I'm almost crying this is awesome guys
Here, I'll start for you...
(http://kingsofbrawl.net63.net/forum/Smileys/default/Tears_of_Joy.png)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on August 14, 2013, 03:05:52 AM
Why does Nobody like Turnabout Big Top?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 14, 2013, 05:46:56 AM
I didn't mind it. It wasn't as terrible as everyone said. It was just tedious and the NPCs were pretty annoying. Everyone said it was the worst case in the series... But for me, 4-2 Turnabout Corner was the worst by far...
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on August 16, 2013, 05:37:18 PM
So I'm in the Second trial of Chapter 2, and I've already found a hole in the testimony.
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If Morgan Fey said that the defendant went out of the room, wouldn't Phoenix and Lotta had seen it, given that there was only one exit and Phoenix and Lotta were just outside?
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 16, 2013, 05:41:28 PM
You've played the game, Yugi :P
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on August 16, 2013, 05:47:08 PM
Well I'm replaying it.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 16, 2013, 05:51:04 PM
How does you finding holes in the testimony count if you've played the game before and KNOW the holes xD
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on August 16, 2013, 05:53:01 PM
I didn't notice the holes until now.

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And also, if Maya was possessed by Mimi before the murder happened, wouldn't she be charged for manslaughter, or misuse of conduct?
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Dude on August 20, 2013, 04:13:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FplHSKTGEiA
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 21, 2013, 11:41:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dcfzkdIFVg
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on August 25, 2013, 10:52:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCZRjW9WbeY

The Best Part of this case.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 30, 2013, 04:16:43 PM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/9dfa4e96a7f835e5038defb0f9c7be5c/tumblr_mj61l0IdfR1qijbt3o1_500.png)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 30, 2013, 07:15:46 PM
Double post because this makes me excited!

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/08/31/the-tragedy-and-comedy-of-phoenix-wright-5
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 01, 2013, 06:56:05 PM
Triple post because I ordered Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth. I hope it's a decent game. I don't think I'd feel right playing Ace Attorney 5 without playing everything else in the series (that was localized).
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 26, 2013, 02:59:37 PM
So, Dual Destinies releases on October 24. Also this article is pretty cool, about the designs of Athena and Blackquill:

http://www.capcom-unity.com/zeroobjections/blog/2013/09/26/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney---dual-destinies-localization-secrets-of-character-design-revealed
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on October 11, 2013, 03:15:54 AM
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Payne
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has best breakdown
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 11, 2013, 05:09:40 AM
Yes

Also in case you all didn't know, the demo for Dual Destinies is out. It's really good.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on October 21, 2013, 02:39:08 AM
Godot is the most sexist character in all of fiction.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 23, 2013, 11:02:57 AM
Godot is just cool. As GaryOak put it, it's kind of sad because no one will ever be cooler.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on October 23, 2013, 03:55:20 PM
I actually think that he's the least interesting of the prosecutors when he's in the courtroom, I won't elaborate why because he's in the ranking contest, but I just want to point that out there.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on November 21, 2013, 04:19:03 PM
Finally getting around to playing past the first case in Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth. I'm almost done with the third episode, and I'm not quite sure so far why this game gets so much hate. I think it's really good, and it looks like it has an overall story arc unlike most of the main series games. The court is a cooler setting than the field, but you have the cross-examinations and rebuttals worked into the investigations to mix things up here. Shi-Long Lang is a really interesting guy, and you have awesome cameos from the likes of
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Franziska von Karma, Maggey Byrde, Oldbag, Ema Skye, and Meekins
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not to mention all of the references to past games. It's a nice return to classic Ace Attorney characters after Apollo Justice did a total recreation of the cast. Even if the last two cases are disappointing, this is already much more humorous than Apollo Justice and I like the game enough to buy a sequel. Why was the second one never localized? Such a bummer.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 10, 2013, 07:23:16 AM
Can we talk about how high quality the iOS port of the games are? I'm replaying it on my phone since they were on sale last week ($5 for the first three games, heck yeah). This is a screenshot of Damon Gant's first appearance:
Big Image
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/1459883_259654194192012_1582949762_n.jpg?oh=f12ba47d834079caf1a38b3bab2d831b&oe=52A96B79)
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Seriously, look at the detail in the drawing there. And all of the characters look like that.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 11, 2013, 09:25:49 PM
"Rise from the Ashes" is too damn long. @_@ Idk how I ever did this all in one day. My brain must have been mush by the end of it.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on December 11, 2013, 09:26:29 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on December 10, 2013, 07:23:16 AMCan we talk about how high quality the iOS port of the games are? I'm replaying it on my phone since they were on sale last week ($5 for the first three games, heck yeah). This is a screenshot of Damon Gant's first appearance:
Big Image
(https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/1459883_259654194192012_1582949762_n.jpg?oh=f12ba47d834079caf1a38b3bab2d831b&oe=52A96B79)
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Seriously, look at the detail in the drawing there. And all of the characters look like that.
link broken
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 11, 2013, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Yugi on December 11, 2013, 09:26:29 PMlink broken

nope, something's wrong with your computer.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on December 12, 2013, 05:37:21 AM
Lol "look at the quality of this image"
"all of the characters look like that"

*no picture*
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 12, 2013, 08:30:27 AM
Except it works on my computer????
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on December 12, 2013, 10:40:08 AM
Well I'm on a school computer (which is why I can't post on the Random thoughts of the moment thread; stupid porn filter) and all I have is a little white box.  It could be too big for Yugi and me to see.  Or it could just not exist on our computers.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Bubbles on December 12, 2013, 03:28:08 PM
It worked before for me but yeah now its just the box
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 20, 2014, 10:41:16 PM
Major spoilers from the first game
[1:37:35 AM] Blueflower999: I think Sahwit is my favorite murderer so far honestly
[1:37:45 AM] Jordan K: *plays intro to damon gant's theme*
[1:37:58 AM] Blueflower999: *Unplugs piano*
[1:38:05 AM] Jordan K: no seriously he's my favorite murderer from the first game xD
[1:38:12 AM] Blueflower999: Gant is?
[1:38:15 AM] Jordan K: yeah
[1:38:25 AM] Blueflower999: Von Karma, Gant, and White are just so despicable
[1:38:28 AM] Jordan K: He was the most ridiculous character who was also totally evil
[1:38:36 AM] Blueflower999: "Swimming anyone?"
[1:38:49 AM] Jordan K: Gant was even more evil than Von Karma, because he was abusing a position of power
[1:39:01 AM] Jordan K: In comparison, Von Karma was just a petty prosecutor
[1:39:13 AM] Jordan K: who had a thing for perfection
[1:39:13 AM] Blueflower999: I have more of a grudge against Von Karma though
[1:39:17 AM] Jordan K: same tho
[1:39:20 AM] Jordan K: because edgeworth
[1:39:21 AM] Blueflower999: Because he tasered me
[1:39:25 AM] Jordan K: oh
[1:39:33 AM] Blueflower999: no one tasers Phoenix and gets away with it
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on January 20, 2014, 10:43:36 PM
Honestly after playing the first game I'm impressed at how consistently they make despicable murderers.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on January 20, 2014, 10:46:08 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 20, 2014, 10:43:36 PMHonestly after playing the first game I'm impressed at how consistently they make despicable murderers.
Justice for All Spoilers
Go through 2-4 and realize how correct you were by saying this.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 20, 2014, 10:55:15 PM
Hey Yugi--
More Justice For All Spoilers
Funny story... the murderers were MOSTLY despicable in JFA... but in Turnabout Big Top, Acro was actually the only sympathetic character. And in Farewell, My Turnabout, Shelly de Killer was cool enough... it was the guy who HIRED him who was truly despicable...
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on January 20, 2014, 10:57:49 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 20, 2014, 10:55:15 PMHey Yugi--
More Justice For All Spoilers
Funny story... the murderers were MOSTLY despicable in JFA... but in Turnabout Big Top, Acro was actually the only sympathetic character. And in Farewell, My Turnabout, Shelly de Killer was cool enough... it was the guy who HIRED him who was truly despicable...
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 Justice for all the third
Yeah, I was referring to Engarde when I was talking about the murderer.

Also, the Ringmaster was a pretty sympathetic character, even if he didn't actually appear in the story.


EDIT: Also, Mimi/Ini's backstory did make me feel sorry for her, even though it didn't justify Grey's murder.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 20, 2014, 11:03:23 PM
I frickin love Justice For All, if for no other reason than that last case. It honestly made the entire game worth it. I think that 2-4 was better than anything in the first game.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on January 20, 2014, 11:05:40 PM
2-4 >>>>>>>>>>> all other cases

I haven't played Dual Destinies yet, but are there any cases that are considered up there with 1-5, 1-4, 2-4 and 3-5?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 20, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Oh yeah. 5-4 and 5-5 come together to form one big case, and it's absolutely outrageously good, especially 5-5. In all honesty, Dual Destinies is the strongest game overall, there isn't a single weak case.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on January 20, 2014, 11:13:27 PM
Congrats on finally playing Ace Attorney, Blue!

Anyways, when it comes to despicable murderers, AAI2 takes the cake for me.
Spoiler
The final villains are pretty much a mish-mash of 1-4, 1-5, and 2-4 all in one, only taken a step further.
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But yeah, besides that game, the villains from 1-4/1-5/2-4 are the worst in my opinion, and the most satisfying to take down for me. Hope there are better final bosses like them in future games, since I didn't feel as accomplished when I finished AJ/AAI/DD.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on January 21, 2014, 11:16:17 PM
[6:05:56 PM] Dylan Mattern: It's only confirmed for Japan right now, but Capcom is re-releasing the first three Ace Attorneys for 3DS in 3D.
[6:06:46 PM] Dylan Mattern: I assume NA will get it too since the localization is already done for all of them.


WOO
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2014, 06:03:50 AM
I'll definitely buy it if they use all 3D models like Dual Destinies. If not idk if I'm feeling it or not.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on January 22, 2014, 07:59:49 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=755858
QuoteThe first three Ace Attorney games are getting a re-release as a collection on the 3DS, for 3,990 yen. A 3D effect will be present, but they don't appear to be full remakes. As with the Japanese DS releases, an English-language option will be present. The game's boxart will be drawn by Tatsurou Iwamoto, who did designs for the first three games.

A new drama CD will also be recorded and released at the same time, starring Phoenix and Edgeworth. Godot will play a role, marking his first time in an Ace Attorney audio production.

Pre-orders will receive a code to download original artwork and arranged versions of the series' BGM.

The collection will be released April 17th in Japan.

Sounds more like a port instead of full-blown remakes. I was hoping for at least a re-mastered soundtrack DD-style, but I'm not sure whether the pre-order bonus soundtrack is in favour of that or not.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on January 22, 2014, 08:39:27 AM
QuoteA new drama CD.

That's where my interest is at.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on January 22, 2014, 06:09:38 PM
^Same. I need that CD.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on January 22, 2014, 06:52:02 PM
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 22, 2014, 07:11:57 PM
Goddammit it looks like I'm buying these games again
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on March 01, 2014, 07:03:00 PM
Just finished Justice For All

2-4 is the best freaking case ever. Totally made the entire game for me.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on March 06, 2014, 08:08:30 PM
Oh yes! ;D (late but I had some stuff)

Now it's time to play the third game!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Mashi on March 07, 2014, 05:37:41 AM
Quote from: blueflower999 on March 01, 2014, 07:03:00 PMJust finished Justice For All

2-4 is the best freaking case ever. Totally made the entire game for me.
quantum field theory
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on March 07, 2014, 06:01:15 AM
I always tell people 2-4 is the best case of anything ever and nobody quite believes it until they play through it xD
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on March 07, 2014, 03:12:29 PM
See because like 1-4 has this really dramatic opening, so you know right away that it's going to be intense. 2-4 sort of starts off like any generic case does, but the tension climes really really high when

Spoiler
Maya is kidnapped
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and by the end you're on the edge of your seat.  :o
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: EFitTrainr on March 13, 2014, 07:11:31 PM
Started the first one of these.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: McDucky on March 16, 2014, 04:23:48 AM

Quote from: blueflower999 on March 07, 2014, 03:12:29 PMSee because like 1-4 has this really dramatic opening, so you know right away that it's going to be intense. 2-4 sort of starts off like any generic case does, but the tension climes really really high when

Spoiler
Maya is kidnapped
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and by the end you're on the edge of your seat.  :o

Damn it, I'm on 2-3 and spoilers doesn't work on mobile...
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on April 14, 2014, 06:49:43 PM
On the last case of Trials and Tribulations. Someone help me, this is too great
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 14, 2014, 08:24:57 PM
I did warn you that it's the best case in the history of everything
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on May 16, 2014, 02:40:40 AM
:o
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: McDucky on May 16, 2014, 11:21:19 PM

Quote from: SlowPokemon on April 14, 2014, 08:24:57 PMI did warn you that it's the best case in the history of everything
The defense has no objections, your honor.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 05, 2014, 09:09:43 AM
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy for 3DS announced for America, coming to the eShop Winter 2014.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on June 05, 2014, 09:12:32 AM
Is it bad that I'm really tempted to buy it?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 05, 2014, 09:18:36 AM
Quote from: blueflower999 on June 05, 2014, 09:12:32 AMIs it bad that I'm really tempted to buy it?

Is it bad that I know I'm buying it? xD I just have to hold off on replaying them until winter I guess. It's gonna be $29.99, btw, and it'll be playable in English and Japanese. I'm just kind of bummed that there won't be a physical release, because I'd rather have a cartridge than a download.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: InfinitySoul on July 10, 2014, 01:41:40 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 05, 2014, 09:18:36 AMIs it bad that I know I'm buying it? xD I just have to hold off on replaying them until winter I guess. It's gonna be $29.99, btw, and it'll be playable in English and Japanese. I'm just kind of bummed that there won't be a physical release, because I'd rather have a cartridge than a download.

I know what you mean, I like having physical copies on my shelf so I can praise it XD Very upset that Dual Destinies didn't get one
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 13, 2014, 06:36:00 AM
I finished Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth, and with that I have finally played every Ace Attorney game to date (other than Gyakuten Kenji 2 I guess but I don't really plan on playing that unless it comes out in America).

Investigations was an awesome game. It took a long time to pick up the pace but when it finally did (around the end of episode 4) it was incredibly gripping. And if it seems like that's a long time to get going, you should know that episode 5 took me over 9 hours total, and episode 4 and 5 combined make up over half of the game.

The major characters in this one were probably the biggest highlight, especially Shi-Long Lang. What a fantastic character. Awesome music theme too.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on July 14, 2014, 12:38:58 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 13, 2014, 06:36:00 AMI finished Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth, and with that I have finally played every Ace Attorney game to date (other than Gyakuten Kenji 2 I guess but I don't really plan on playing that unless it comes out in America).

On a related note, the fan-translation for Gyakuten Kenji 2 is out, for people that would want to play it. I can't speak for the localization's quality since I haven't tried it myself, but I've been hearing lots of praise for it from other fans. And while I can't comment on the translation, I'll say that the game's story is really good, making it tied for my favourite AA game!

QuoteInvestigations was an awesome game. It took a long time to pick up the pace but when it finally did (around the end of episode 4) it was incredibly gripping. And if it seems like that's a long time to get going, you should know that episode 5 took me over 9 hours total, and episode 4 and 5 combined make up over half of the game.

The major characters in this one were probably the biggest highlight, especially Shi-Long Lang. What a fantastic character. Awesome music theme too.

Glad you liked it! Case 4 was great, probably my favourite case in that game (I also liked Case 2, but that's more because I thought the setting was an interesting choice). The last case though...ugh...that culprit was just way too stubborn. :P

And yeah, I liked the new characters more than I thought I would. Calisto Yew's one of my favourite characters; it's just so fun watching her troll Edgey, and she has a great tune to go along with it.  On the other hand, I think some of the returning characters could've been handled better, and I can definitely sympathize with Miles on not wanting to see some of them at all. >_> *cough*oldbag*cough*
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 14, 2014, 05:01:01 AM
Yeah I agree with most of that, especially the killer in Turnabout Ablaze xD has to be the hardest to pin down killer in the series.

I don't plan on playing GK2 unless an official translation is released. Maybe in a couple years I'll change my mind, but I have a strong hatred for fan translations. Mostly brought on by the Danganronpa fandom.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 07, 2014, 07:52:52 PM
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies is coming to iOS in the US.

*why Capcom why was this necessary*
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on August 07, 2014, 08:16:40 PM
Why don't we have Apollo Justice on iOS. -_-
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 07, 2014, 08:22:05 PM
Because Apollo Justice doesn't exist

Or that's what Capcom would have us believe anyway
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on August 07, 2014, 08:23:28 PM
dang you capcom why must you blind our eyes to the masterpiece that is apollo justice :(
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on August 07, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
Should've been a Justice + Investigations + Investigation 2 collection instead. Or even just Investigations 2.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 07, 2014, 08:52:03 PM
Huh I'm hopeful they'll release something like that on 3DS
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: InfinitySoul on August 11, 2014, 06:04:31 AM
I would love Investigations 2 to come to America, I dont really like playing off roms tbh...
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 11, 2014, 08:21:06 AM
I hate playing roms,,,, also I hate fan translations haha
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 14, 2014, 10:32:49 AM
Dual Destinies is officially on iOS! The first case is free so I'll check it out to see how the app plays.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 14, 2014, 11:11:26 AM
u g h

This game looks so much better in HD

Too bad there's no way in hell I'm going to pay $20 to get the rest of a game I already have on my 3DS
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Waddle Bro on August 14, 2014, 11:26:15 AM
So should I buy it for iOS or 3DS, what do you think?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on August 14, 2014, 11:28:27 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 14, 2014, 10:32:49 AMDual Destinies is officially on iOS! The first case is free so I'll check it out to see how the app plays.
Does the iOS version have Turnabout Reclaimed and the cutscene/artwork/costume features?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 14, 2014, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on August 14, 2014, 11:28:27 AMDoes the iOS version have Turnabout Reclaimed and the cutscene/artwork/costume features?

Yep and sadly it all looks much better than it does on 3DS.

Quote from: Waddle Bro on August 14, 2014, 11:26:15 AMSo should I buy it for iOS or 3DS, what do you think?

Well it'll be cheaper on iOS. Cases 2-5 are available for $14.99 as a bundle, the special episode is $4.99, and the costume pack is $0.99 if for whatever random reason you want costumes. Also, cases 2-5 are $4.99 apiece if bought separately. For reference, the 3DS game is $29.99, with the special episode priced at $5.99.

If the extra $15 doesn't matter to you, it might be more convenient to play on a 3DS than a phone.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: EFitTrainr on August 17, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
Guys help I really like this series what do I do
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 21, 2014, 11:18:30 AM
GUYS

Blog post by an Ace Attorney localizer (http://www.capcom-unity.com/zeroobjections/blog/2014/08/22/phoenix-wright-ace-attorney-trilogy-localization-blog-hello-again)

NOT ONLY ARE THEY UPDATING THE GRAPHICS AND MUSIC

THEY'RE FUCKING EDITING THE TEXT

THE MIRACLE FINALLY HAPPEN
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Mashi on August 21, 2014, 11:25:25 AM
will they have comic sans
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on September 09, 2014, 09:27:53 AM
Regarding the upcoming Great Ace Attorney:

Quote"According to Game Jouhou, the famous sleuth will be joined by his famous sidekick Watson, who will be an 8-year old girl as opposed to a strapping male adult."
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on September 18, 2014, 02:50:54 AM
Hype hype hype hype hype so hyped...
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on September 18, 2014, 04:52:15 AM
Instabuy
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on September 18, 2014, 12:53:49 PM
I have yet to figure out why there's a character in an Ace Attorney game named Sherlock Holmes

Also was that an ancestor of Winston Payne I saw in that XDDD
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on September 18, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
Quote"According to Game Jouhou, the famous sleuth [Sherlock Holmes] will be joined by his famous sidekick Watson, who will be an 8-year old girl as opposed to a strapping male adult."
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on September 18, 2014, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 18, 2014, 12:53:49 PMI have yet to figure out why there's a character in an Ace Attorney game named Sherlock Holmes

Gumshoe's ancestor obviously
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 18, 2014, 04:10:20 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 18, 2014, 12:53:49 PMI have yet to figure out why there's a character in an Ace Attorney game named Sherlock Holmes

Also was that an ancestor of Winston Payne I saw in that XDDD

I could have sworn I told you about this last week, but that's the actual Sherlock Holmes, or at least Shu Takumi's interpretation of him. Apparently Takumi is a huge fan of the Holmes novels.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 09, 2014, 03:18:41 PM
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy coming to Nintendo 3DS eShop on December 9 in North America and December 11 in Europe (and presumably Australia).
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on October 09, 2014, 06:42:37 PM
Yay! Right after finals!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 09, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
Whoa that is actually the day before I have off school for a month now that I think about it

This plus Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire coming on the day I start Thanksgiving break is just awesome for 3DS release dates this quarter
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Roz~ on October 09, 2014, 08:05:59 PM
Quote from: maelstrom. on October 09, 2014, 06:42:37 PMYay! Right before finals!
Fixed u_u
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on October 15, 2014, 09:33:31 AM
So, I just finished Layton vs Ace Attorney. Some thoughts:
Spoiler
1. The music was great! I'd definitely support an arrangement project.
2. Didn't see that ending coming at first. Like some other things (Umineko), it is just easier to dismiss everything as magic, that to try to prove it otherwise
3. Again, very good ending. But that trial took forever.....
4. The opening cutscene and subsequent events were never explained. How could a car get up onto trees? How could a bird transform into a floating witch when no one was exposed to the hallucinogenic yet?
5. I feel like I enjoyed the trial portions more than the other parts, most likely because I have only played and AA game before.
6. At this point, I'm not sure if I want to get a Layton game. I may just convince my brother to become interested and play the games when he gets them.  :P
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on October 15, 2014, 10:03:32 AM
You should get Layton games. All of them are significantly better than the game you just played.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 15, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
Spoiler
1. Heck yeah, both Professor Layton and Ace Attorney have awesome music. The Layton music (which was the majority of the non-trial music) was composed by Tomohito Nishiura, who does the music for every Professor Layton game, and the new Ace Attorney music was composed by Yasamusa Kitagawa, who has never worked on an Ace Attorney title before. It's worth noting though that the opening prologue trial in Britain is just remixed music from the first Ace Attorney game, and the trial themes for each consecutive game (including this one) are loosely based on those tracks.
2. Yeah, the first few Layton games (and this one, probably since it's set in the same time frame as the first three games) have this sort of really crazy ending twist, and I guess either you can get caught up in being sour about the unrealistic nature of the story or you can suspend your disbelief and enjoy the ride.
3. Actually that last trial is I think the shortest final trial of any Ace Attorney game, besides maybe Dual Destinies. The endgame trials tend to go on for an incredibly long time, which is part of what makes it fun and like a soap opera.
4. There are free DLC episodes available in the "Bonus Content" section accessed from the title screen, and one of them explains that the statues in the park were robotic and owned by Labrelum, Inc. I'm not quite sure about the bird yet, but not all of the special episodes have been released yet so it might be addressed in a later one I guess.
5. If you didn't enjoy the non-trial parts, I'd say hold off on Layton and wait until your brother gets one or something, because even though it's the weakest Layton game, it's still pretty classic Layton gameplay and most of what you'll get in the other games will be similar.
6. Yeah, idk. I'd recommend not getting any of them besides Miracle Mask or Azran Legacy, anyway. It's worth noting though that the unexplained plot elements you mentioned are totally weird because usually in Layton games everything is totally explained, no matter how weird the logic is. It might have something to do with the script being written by Shu Takumi, the series creator of Ace Attorney and writer of the original Phoenix Wright trilogy, since he's never worked on a Professor Layton game.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on October 15, 2014, 10:24:55 AM
In defence of Dual Destinies, it's trial was technically in two parts...

But it was much more exasperating in this game when you don't resume where you left off with full health after a game over.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 15, 2014, 01:09:51 PM
Oh haha well that feature is actually only in Dual Destinies so get used to saving frequently LOL
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 18, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
Hey, Maelstrom

Spoiler
You said that the bird turned into the witch and whatnot before anyone was exposed to the hallucinogenic, but actually Layton and Luke opened the book BEFORE that happened, so they had already been exposed to the ink. Just fyi.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on October 18, 2014, 06:36:03 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on October 18, 2014, 05:49:05 PMHey, Maelstrom

Spoiler
You said that the bird turned into the witch and whatnot before anyone was exposed to the hallucinogenic, but actually Layton and Luke opened the book BEFORE that happened, so they had already been exposed to the ink. Just fyi.
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Spoiler
But the ink made people susceptible to suggestion. It was not the hallucinogenic. (I think)
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 30, 2014, 11:36:33 AM
Any fan of Ace Attorney who has played the first trilogy, please read this: it's such an excellent read

http://www.capcom-unity.com/zeroobjections/blog/2014/10/31/ace-attorney-trilogy---surprising-tidbits-you-never-knew
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on November 02, 2014, 05:55:46 AM
I finally had time to finish PL vs. AA. I liked it quite a bit. Also, I'm not a big fan of Layton music but Layton's theme is really badass.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: McDucky on November 02, 2014, 06:49:54 AM
Quote from: GaryOak on November 02, 2014, 05:55:46 AMI'm not a big fan of Layton music
???
 :(
 >:(
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on November 02, 2014, 07:33:03 AM
IDK how you can't like Layton music, but yeah Layton's theme is incredible. I hated all the versions of it in PLVAA (except for the reprise during the end credits suite), but the original, and especially the live version of the original, are both fantastic
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 08, 2014, 11:40:35 PM
Today, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy hits the Nintendo eShop in North America! It's the best-written trilogy in all of gaming (seriously) in one package, with an updated script and HD graphics, and anyone who's remotely interested in games with a heavy focus on writing and story should buy this one. Just trust me.

Word of warning, though, don't watch the trailers on the eShop if you plan on playing the game--they contain spoilers that will make the game less fun for you.

For those of you in Europe, you can pick up this amazing software on Thursday.

That is all.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on December 09, 2014, 05:06:10 AM
by trilogy do you mean series with exactly 3 games in it that should be played chronologically rather than concurrently, and no more because I can't actually think of any other trilogy if you do

or do you just mean there are only 3 games so far
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 09, 2014, 05:40:31 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 09, 2014, 05:06:10 AMby trilogy do you mean series with exactly 3 games in it that should be played chronologically rather than concurrently, and no more because I can't actually think of any other trilogy if you do

or do you just mean there are only 3 games so far

It is a series, the first three games of which make up a trilogy that should be played chronologically rather than concurrently.

1. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
2. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice For All
3. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations

After the creator of Ace Attorney completed the trilogy, the staff at Capcom continued on with the series to produce:
4. Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
5. Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth
6. Ace Attorney Investigations 2 (Japan-only)
7. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies

All of which have very little or nothing to do with the story of the original trilogy, but instead keep moving ahead with the characters to create a continuation of the story.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on December 09, 2014, 05:43:05 AM
gotcha
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 09, 2014, 06:20:09 AM
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140225002611/aceattorney/images/c/cf/DD_Gotcha!.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 17, 2014, 11:16:25 AM
I hope some of you have given the trilogy a chance with its recent release on 3DS! In the meantime, here's a really good article about parallels between the Ace Attorney universe and the actual Japanese legal world:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/issues/issue_253/7530-Phoenix-Wright-s-Objection
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on December 17, 2014, 11:25:35 AM
I'm planning on buying it sometime soon but it's not exactly number one on my priority list. It's definitely in the top 5 though.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 17, 2014, 11:30:35 AM
Hell yeah good enough for me
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on December 17, 2014, 11:31:39 AM
I'm getting it this week before a 12 hour car ride to Iowa.  :)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 17, 2014, 12:09:43 PM
:)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Waddle Bro on December 17, 2014, 12:27:26 PM
I need money :c
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on December 17, 2014, 03:24:19 PM
Quote from: maelstrom. on December 17, 2014, 11:31:39 AMI'm getting it this week before a 12 hour car ride to Iowa.  :)
ew iowa who would ever go there

wait
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on December 17, 2014, 06:04:04 PM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on December 17, 2014, 03:24:19 PMew iowa who would ever go there

wait
My grandparents.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on December 17, 2014, 06:25:29 PM
someone didn't get the joke
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on December 17, 2014, 07:41:39 PM
ew you mean K-night lives closer to me than anyone else D:
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on December 17, 2014, 07:48:06 PM
Where's Iowa again? I can't seem to find it on a map.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on December 17, 2014, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 17, 2014, 07:41:39 PMew you mean K-night lives closer to me than anyone else D:
the hell does that mean?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 20, 2014, 06:29:13 PM
KMAN BOUGHT THE TRILOGY ON 3DS.

WEVE CAPTURED ANOTHER ACE ATTORNEY FAN.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on December 20, 2014, 07:27:20 PM
Warning to anyone who buys the trilogy: prepare to spend much time playing and thinking about the Ace Attorney series.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 20, 2014, 07:29:53 PM
After playing the first game again I want to say that Mike Meekins is my favorite character in the game besides the main leads. He's just so hilarious.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Kman96 on December 29, 2014, 10:00:12 PM
So, here's the deal. A week or so ago, Slow convinced me to purchase and download the Ace Attorney Trilogy to my 3DS (know that I abhor downloading full games), and I've been playing it almost nonstop.

I can't help it. I'm just loving every second of it. Everything is so intense! Sometimes I'm laughing my ass off at idiotic witnesses, or the occasional time when Edgeworth just decides to defend the witness instead of doing his job, or when some giant bomb is said on the courtroom floor and that suspense music kicks up, I'm just loving it!

I'm currently about halfway through Episode 5 of the first game (Rise From the Ashes), but I've decided that once I complete all three of the trilogy games, I'm going to play through Professor Layton Vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney again because this is just too good.

Thanks, Slowpokemon!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :-* :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 29, 2014, 11:30:35 PM
A true christmas miracle
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on December 30, 2014, 06:30:14 AM
I'd like to add that Farewell,  My Turnabout is possibly the best case so far.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 30, 2014, 09:11:23 AM
Farewell, My Turnabout is my favorite case, maybe tied with Bridge to the Turnabout.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on December 30, 2014, 01:00:06 PM
If I want to introduce AA to someone with an ipod, which one should I tell him to get?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on December 30, 2014, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: Maelstrom on December 30, 2014, 01:00:06 PMIf I want to introduce AA to someone with an ipod, which one should I tell him to get?
start with the original, it has a lot of story elements that are somewhat touched on in JFA and T&T. I feel it is also slightly easier and a good intro to get into the concept of the game. otherwise it wouldnt seem worth it going back
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 30, 2014, 02:01:18 PM
I would always vote to start with the first trilogy. But it's also acceptable to get Dual Destinies, which is the superior port of the two Ace Attorney games on the App Store.

It's worth noting that the first two cases of the trilogy are free on iOS, while the first case of Dual Destinies is also free.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on December 30, 2014, 07:59:16 PM
Quote from: Kman96 on December 29, 2014, 10:00:12 PMwhen some giant bomb is said on the courtroom floor
Is anyone else thinking what I'm thinking
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on December 30, 2014, 08:30:44 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 30, 2014, 07:59:16 PMIs anyone else thinking what I'm thinking
I most certainly am not
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Kman96 on December 30, 2014, 08:47:31 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on December 30, 2014, 07:59:16 PMIs anyone else thinking what I'm thinking
ahhhh stop spoiling things!!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 30, 2014, 08:59:21 PM
LOL THE VERY OPENING CUTSCENE OF DUAL DESTINIES IS A BOMB GOING OFF IN COURT
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on December 30, 2014, 09:14:35 PM
Quote from: Kman96 on December 30, 2014, 08:47:31 PMahhhh stop spoiling things!!
Shh it's not a spoiler, there are only two opening cases that I think it's possible to spoil considering that most of them show you the murderer before hand XD
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on December 30, 2014, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on December 30, 2014, 08:59:21 PMLOL THE VERY OPENING CUTSCENE OF DUAL DESTINIES IS A BOMB GOING OFF IN COURT
lol wat
like a literal bomb
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on December 30, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 30, 2014, 09:23:23 PMlol wat
like a literal bomb
Yes it's a literal bomb, it pretty much demolishes the whole courtroom.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Kman96 on January 06, 2015, 09:00:14 PM
Look what can in the mail today! That was REALLY fast! Too bad I have to wait to play them...

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/06/eaf4d37f0377fe081160d93703a24532.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 06, 2015, 09:48:49 PM
Hey now! You've got the trilogy to finish which is just as good! :D
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on January 06, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
wait...
capcom?  Lol I didn't even know they were still a thing
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 06, 2015, 09:55:54 PM
Nocturne can you do us all a favor and not post in this thread
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on January 06, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
sure thing bro
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on January 06, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
OH SHOOt my bad
I'll try to stop posting though
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mikey on January 06, 2015, 11:08:41 PM
SO SORRY but i just can't figure this out
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 07, 2015, 05:41:25 AM
I wasn't joking you're really getting on my nerves
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Kman96 on January 08, 2015, 12:32:01 AM
So. I just watched the Japanese Ace Attorney Movie that came out in 2012. Wow.

Great production quality, but not a (edge)worthy movie overall. The plot was a pecking of the entire first game, with the main plot being Turnabout Goodbyes. There were loads of things that just happened...like, there would be instances when someone would say something and the ENTIRE AUDIENCE, JUDGE, AND PROSECUTION would duck, which doesn't make a lick of sense to me. There were things that didn't even belong there, like the BLUE FUCKING BADGER. Let me give an example.

During the scene where Gumshoe (who is never introduced and is only recognizable by the green coat and chin band-aid) is tracking down Yanni Yogi, this happens:


I don't understand anything in that video. Please, someone tell me what just happened.

The movie was 2.5 hours long - way too long for what it provided me. It DID NOT utilize the AMAZING soundtrack of the game the way it was intended...during the court scenes there was hardly any music at all, which just made them tedious and boring, because there was so much silence, making Phoenix look like a big dweeb.

Here are some play-by-play texts that I sent shadowkirby while I watched it:

Mild Spoilers for Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
"Also Von Karma is chubby."
"the judge isn't funny"
"Maya isn't cute"
"But of course Larry Butz is spot-on"
"Also Gumshoe isn't fat or entertaining."
"A very sub-par, over the top evidence movie*"
"Also the DL-6 restaurant incident* is all wrong"
"Okay wtf. Redd white wasn't prosecuted during Mia's murder case, and he was just murdered in this case."
[close]

Everything was under-acted. Maya really didn't do shit, and only Phoenix, Larry and Maya did any acting at all. Von Karma wasn't even intimidating.

Ugh. This was a very disappointing film. Don't see it. Please don't see it. This was not good as a live-action film. I'd be interested to see how an animated film would go, though...
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on January 08, 2015, 03:40:00 AM
Quote from: Kman96 on January 08, 2015, 12:32:01 AMThere were things that didn't even belong there, like the BLUE FUCKING BADGER.
First Game
Basically my reaction to the second trial in 1-5
Spoiler
[close]
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 08, 2015, 06:16:11 AM
I thought the film was wonderful. It was a great representation of the wacky tone of the game, though the humor is still very Japanese so I can imagine it takes some getting used to. IDK what you'd have liked to be done differently. If they played it like a straight film and didn't exaggerate everything to be ridiculous it wouldn't be Ace Attorney anymore. It is considered one of the best films based on a video game actually.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Kman96 on January 08, 2015, 05:28:23 PM
Okay, I'll give you that, but CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE BLUE BADGER IS DOING IN THIS SCENE??!



Please. Just. Somebody....
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Yugi on January 08, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
hes stopping the verdict
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 08, 2015, 06:27:55 PM
It's just supposed to be a random funny thing haha. I don't think it really means anything.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Kman96 on January 08, 2015, 06:42:18 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 08, 2015, 06:27:55 PMIt's just supposed to be a random funny thing haha. I don't think it really means anything.
I would be okay with this if Von karma didn't refer to the blue badger as "the arrested" (possibly bad translating?) and then after gumshoe comes in, the suit falls to the floor AND NO ONE IS INSIDE THE SUIT. That makes it the MOST IMPORTANT part of the movie to me.

Okay, but all other criticisms aside, my biggest beef with it is that I thought it was too long, and the music direction (or lack of it) was awful.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on January 08, 2015, 06:43:33 PM
The unnecessary changes to the DL-6 Incident were the most annoying to me. Overall the movie wasn't a terrible adaptation but it lacked the personality and character that the series has. It felt sort of bland and boring.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Kman96 on January 08, 2015, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 08, 2015, 06:43:33 PMThe unnecessary changes to the DL-6 Incident were the most annoying to me. Overall the movie wasn't a terrible adaptation but it lacked the personality and character that the series has. It felt sort of bland and boring.
I wholeheartedly agree with this review. That blue badger scene has just thrown me into a confused rage.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on January 08, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
Quote from: Kman96 on January 08, 2015, 06:47:07 PMI wholeheartedly agree with this review. That blue badger scene has just thrown me into a confused rage.
Honestly I'm happy that he appeared in some fashion but I'd much rather have him just dancing in the background or something. Preferably with Gumshoe trying to imitate it.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 08, 2015, 07:27:47 PM
I think you guys sort of missed something about the movie. That's fine though.

Also Blue you didn't even finish it lol
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Echo on January 09, 2015, 06:23:17 AM
I thought the movie was aight, it just emphasised more drama over comedy (although it's still really campy). Some parts were disappointing (Redd White's portrayal, not enough time to really develop characters like Maya, etc.), but at the very least I liked how it elaborated more on Yanni Yogi's side of the story.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on January 09, 2015, 07:12:41 AM
I loved that they put 2-4 in the credits bc that's my fav case basically. Also random how they put Von Karma's arrest to a sad version of Apollo's theme.

Farewell, My Turnabout
IF YOU PRESENT PEARL'S PROFILE TO LOTTA IN THIS CASE SHE SAYS "AH YEAH I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE MURDERER IN THAT OTHER CASE"

PEARL IS STANDING RIGHT THERE AND IS ALSO NINE YEARS OLD??? WTF LOTTA???
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Shadoninja on February 02, 2015, 12:08:49 PM
[Redacted]
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on February 15, 2015, 02:45:03 PM
WAT. THE S NO LONGER BREAKS THE LINK.
Spoiler
Watch it with captions
[close]
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on March 06, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
What's the best way to play Investigations 2?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on March 06, 2015, 12:14:13 PM
Blue's your guy. He can hook you up I'm sure.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on March 06, 2015, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on March 06, 2015, 12:14:13 PMBlue's your guy. He can hook you up I'm sure.
You know it  ;)

Quote from: Maelstrom on March 06, 2015, 12:10:56 PMWhat's the best way to play Investigations 2?
Ohoho, you're in for one wild ride. I'll PM you a link to an already patched version of the ROM (thanks, Echo!) and the emulator that you want.

Just make sure you download the version of the emulator that I tell you, or else it's impossible to play the third case and anything past that. Trust me, I spent hours and couldn't find a way around it.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on March 06, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
Thank you so much!  :D
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on March 06, 2015, 12:30:52 PM
This is all under the condition that you message me after finishing a case so I can fanboy.  ;)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on March 06, 2015, 04:42:35 PM
Understood.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 16, 2015, 11:39:14 AM
Dai Gyakuten Saiban will feature a version of the "mob trial" feature from Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. With this mechanic, up to three witnesses can take the stand at once. Also confirmed Japanese release for July 9.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on April 26, 2015, 06:21:41 PM
Lots of fotage from The Great Ace Attorney:
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/heres-over-an-hour-of-footage-for-the-great-ace-attorney
Winston Payne lookalike confirmed

And the art direction/character design reminds me a lot more of PLVSAA than the other AA games. MIght be just the 3D models.....
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 27, 2015, 01:11:17 AM
Payne's ancestor was confirmed at the game's reveal tho

Also I'm not watching any footage before I play it
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on April 27, 2015, 06:07:46 PM
Has this game been confirmed for an American release?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on April 27, 2015, 06:58:30 PM
Not as of yet
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 28, 2015, 09:51:34 AM
Quote from: Maelstrom on April 26, 2015, 06:21:41 PMLots of fotage from The Great Ace Attorney:
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/heres-over-an-hour-of-footage-for-the-great-ace-attorney
Winston Payne lookalike confirmed

And the art direction/character design reminds me a lot more of PLVSAA than the other AA games. MIght be just the 3D models.....

Oh also yeah I got that impression about the PLVAA-esque design. The fact that the same composer is being used might indicate that the same team who worked on that game is making this one too? Either way that game had really nice model work (I like both of the current 3DS Ace Attorney games in terms of art direction, but Phoenix looked a little more like himself in PLVAA if that makes sense).
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Kman96 on April 29, 2015, 06:55:47 PM
Yo, I beat the trilogy on Monday, and boy, what a ride it was! I can't express how much I enjoyed every minute of this game (except for maybe The Stolen Turnabout and Turnabout Bigtop...those were a tad bland), and I can't wait to get to the rest of the series. However, Finals are next week, so I'm going to be putting AA on the backburner until I get a hold on things.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on April 29, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Whaaaaat? You didn't like 3-2?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 29, 2015, 10:59:33 PM
To be fair, he played the second half of The Stolen Turnabout a few months after the first half. But yeah Kman that's actually one of the better episodes imo
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 20, 2015, 11:24:40 AM
I'm finally getting around to GK2. I'm halfway through the first episode, and even though I've played the majority of the first two episodes before, I still have some stray thoughts I'll post here.

Episode 1
I think it's really funny how Edgeworth doesn't notice the conspicuous De Killer logo on both sides of De Killer's suit coat, lmao. It's sort of even funnier that De Killer wears it on his ice cream man uniform.
[close]
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on May 20, 2015, 12:37:19 PM
Powers of logic and deduction indeed

Although seeing as though he almost an an aneurysm to it in 2-4 I'm kinda happy I didn't need to see that again
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 22, 2015, 11:58:04 AM
In between working ten hour shifts I've managed to finish episode 1 as of earlier this morning xD Can't wait to start episode 2 and actually finish it this time! That first episode is such a substantial bit of work, it's a great way to make players immediately hooked on the action rather than starting out small.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 15, 2015, 06:51:10 AM
As of 1 AM this morning, I officially finished GK2, meaning I have FINALLY played all of the Ace Attorney there is! (Well, for another month or so, anyway...)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on June 15, 2015, 07:38:52 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 15, 2015, 06:51:10 AMAs of 1 AM this morning, I officially finished GK2, meaning I have FINALLY played all of the Ace Attorney there is! (Well, for another month or so, anyway...)
What did you think?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 15, 2015, 11:01:48 AM
Not bad. Much better than the first one.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 02, 2015, 09:52:47 AM
Today, the Phoenix Wright trilogy and Dual Destinies are both on sale on the eShop, so anyone who's been on the fence about this series should act now to get the first three games (which are my personal favorites and look crazy good on 3DS) for about $22. Please don't pass it up!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 02, 2015, 10:11:05 AM
ALSO THE ACE ATTORNEY THEMES ARE FINALLY ON THE THEME STORE PRAISE THE GODDESS OF LAW
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on July 02, 2015, 04:17:18 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 02, 2015, 09:52:47 AMToday, the Phoenix Wright trilogy and Dual Destinies are both on sale on the eShop, so anyone who's been on the fence about this series should act now to get the first three games (which are my personal favorites and look crazy good on 3DS) for about $22. Please don't pass it up!

Are the eShop versions of the original trilogy straight ports or have they been updated for the 3DS?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 02, 2015, 04:51:44 PM
Quote from: Altissimo on July 02, 2015, 04:17:18 PMAre the eShop versions of the original trilogy straight ports or have they been updated for the 3DS?

Well, kind of both. The games are largely unchanged besides being all three in a single software--there are no new episodes, and the stories are the same. However, there are a few changes:

The script has been updated a bit--they've fixed some typos, awkward phrasing, etc. (i.e., the infamous "The miracle never happen" end of Justice For All)

The graphics are updated for the 3DS's capabilities. The entire top screen is used and the characters are represented by direct scans of their character designs rather than sprites, which looks incredibly clean and really pretty awesome.

The music was given a touch-up, so it's more on par with the WiiWare releases than the DS releases.

The sound effects throughout--such as the voiced interjections, text noises and gavel pounding--have been cleaned up so there's no feedback, which may not sound like a big deal but it's notably a much clearer and cleaner sound (especially if you compare to the unedited versions of the sounds in Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright).

There's a three-layer 3D effect which is pretty generic--basically, from front to back, you have text box, character, background, with the distance between them changed by the 3D slider--but actually makes the scenes look really nice, almost like a pop-up book.

You have the option to play the Japanese versions of the games, which is probably useless for most players.

I don't think there's anything else that's different besides a generally cleaner presentation. So it's a port, but it's more like a fine-tuned port, I guess.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on July 02, 2015, 05:21:41 PM
Pretty much what slow said.
If you haven't played the originals, you need to play them, and this is the best way.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on July 02, 2015, 05:28:32 PM
I own the originals (for DS), which is why I was wondering if it was worth upgrading to the 3DS versions :p
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 02, 2015, 05:37:33 PM
Eh it's not really worth it unless you're a diehard fan (guilty) or just wanted an excuse to play them again. Seriously though, I played a bit of the first one on DS and I was astounded how much of a difference there is.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on July 02, 2015, 06:52:50 PM
Curse my need to have everything as physical copies all the time! This means that I'll need to make a concerted effort to find them in game stores now.(Not that I wasn't trying, but this is definitely motivating)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on July 08, 2015, 11:03:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOuXD7NJg20
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 08, 2015, 01:32:26 PM
Fun fact: that's actually my favorite track from the Apollo Justice soundtrack. That's cool!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on July 08, 2015, 10:28:49 PM
Yesterday, I remembered that I owned Justice for All. I spent 16 of the last 24 hours finishing it. And WOW, that last case is really, really good. The whole thing was really well done .
Spoiler
The part where it asked you whether Engarde should be pronounced guilt or not guilty (before Franziska came in) was definitely thought provoking, but I still answered immediately.
[close]
Now excuse me while I steal Phoenix's Steel Samurai ringtone.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on July 09, 2015, 09:23:17 AM
That last case is what made the game worth playing.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on July 09, 2015, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 09, 2015, 09:23:17 AMThat last case is what made the game worth playing.
Eh, don't sell Justice For All too short. It's probably the weakest in the original trilogy, and I agree that the finale was probably the best part about it, but it's still a great game and had a lot of other good attributes including:

Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 09, 2015, 10:45:47 AM
Justice For All has a lot of merits imo. For me, it ties with Apollo Justice as the weakest main series entry, but the last case is also like my favorite episode of the whole franchise (or one of them at least) and it's also got a lot of charm and humor. Case in point (no pun intended): no such thing as a bad Ace Attorney game.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on July 09, 2015, 12:14:14 PM
I kind of feel the same way about AJ, but I felt that, at most times, the high points outweighed the low. There were some just plain bizarre twists that didn't sit right with me, and the third case was a little off, but, otherwise, it was pretty good.
JfA, however, was a bit of a mess, imo. The first case was slightly amusing, but otherwise a pain. The whole bananas thing made no sense.
I can't really explain why, but I hated the second case. Yes, it may have given Mya some backstory, but it's bad enough to be one of my least favorite cases in the entire series.
The third case started well, but ended badly.
And finally, the fourth case made the entire game worth playing.
It's about tied with Investigations 1 for the worst in the franchise for me.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on July 09, 2015, 12:43:45 PM
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 09, 2015, 12:14:14 PMit may have given Mya some backstory
Is Mya like some weird fusion of the two sisters
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on July 09, 2015, 12:57:54 PM
Of course. What else?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 28, 2015, 12:26:21 PM
Thought Mael and Blue and the others might find this interesting, though I'm sure most of you already know all this, if not have a copy of this exact list xD. I put together the complete chronology of the Ace Attorney series with a list of dates because I was bored at work, just in case anyone wants to use it for something? This is excluding the recent Dai Gyakuten Saiban, which of course takes place at least 100 years before any of this.

list
1. "The Inherited Turnabout" - Gregory (December 24-25, 2000)
2. The DL-6 Incident (December 28, 2001)
3. "Turnabout Reminiscence" (September 10, 2012)
4. "Turnabout Beginnings" (February 16, 2013)
5. "Turnabout Memories" (April 11, 2014)
6. "The First Turnabout" (August 3, 2016)
7. "Turnabout Sisters" (September 5-9, 2016)
8. "Turnabout Samurai" (October 16-20, 2016)
9. "Turnabout Goodbyes" (December 25-28, 2016)
10. "Rise from the Ashes" (February 22-25, 2017)
11. "Reunion, and Turnabout" (June 16 & 19-22, 2017)
12. "The Lost Turnabout" (September 8, 2017)
13. "Turnabout Big Top" (December 26 & 28-30, 2017)
14. "Farewell, My Turnabout" (March 20-23, 2018)
15. "The Stolen Turnabout" (October 11-13, 2018)
16. "Recipe for Turnabout" - original incident (December 3-4, 2018)
17. "Recipe for Turnabout" - appeal (January 6-8, 2019)
18. "Bridge to the Turnabout" (February 7-10, 2019)
??? Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (sometime in the range of February 11, 2019-April 18, 2019)
19. "Turnabout Airlines" (March 12, 2019)
20. "The Kidnapped Turnabout" (March 13, 2019)
21. "Turnabout Visitor" (March 14, 2019)
22. "Turnabout Ablaze" (March 14-15, 2019)
23. "Turnabout Target" (March 25, 2019)
24. "The Imprisoned Turnabout" (March 27-29, 2019)
25. "The Inherited Turnabout" - Miles (April 2, 2019)
26. "The Forgotten Turnabout" (April 5-6, 2019)
27. "The Grand Turnabout" (April 6, 2019)
28. "Turnabout Succession" - Phoenix (April 19, 2019)
29. "Turnabout Trump" (April 20, 2026)
30. "Turnabout Corner" (June 15-17, 2026)
31. "Turnabout Serenade" (July 7-10, 2026)
32. "Turnabout Succession" - Apollo (October 7-9, 2026)
33. "The Monstrous Turnabout" (April 17-19, 2027)
34. "Turnabout Reclaimed" (July 20-22, 2027)
35. "Turnabout Academy" (October 24-26, 2027)
36. "The Cosmic Turnabout" - Apollo (December 16, 2027)
37. "Turnabout Countdown" (December 17-18, 2027)
38. "The Cosmic Turnabout" - Phoenix (December 19-20, 2027)
39. "Turnabout for Tomorrow" (December 20, 2027)
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on July 28, 2015, 04:44:12 PM
Nice.
Wouldn't it be awesone if The Great Ace Attorney was released on the date 1-1 takes place on?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 01, 2015, 12:52:07 PM
Game Informer ranks the top ten Ace Attorney witnesses (http://www.gameinformer.com/blogs/members/b/mightymagikarp_blog/archive/2015/08/01/the-top-ten-witnesses-of-ace-attorney.aspx?PostPageIndex=2). Watch out--spoilers for the first four games throughout.

My thoughts:
Spoiler
It's kind of bullshit that they completely left out the second and fifth games. Like, De Killer's appearance in "Farewell, My Turnabout" didn't make the cut, but Victor Kudo did? I understand Tigre's inclusion after reading the description--that was an interesting cross-examination for many reasons. But really, De Killer and Oldbag should have made the cut in my opinion. Otherwise it's a pretty decent list.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on August 01, 2015, 01:29:22 PM
De Killer really should have made it on the list.
Imo, neither Kudo nor Redd White should have made it onto the list
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: fank009 on August 01, 2015, 05:08:17 PM
Spoiler
Im suprised no daliha hawthorne
Larry... I wouldn't put on the list.
No Frank Sawhit? (that toupee xD)
Also speaking from case 2, there's a few others.
Edgeworth maybe too?
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Bubbles on August 25, 2015, 06:07:08 PM
A quick q for my AA enthusiasts:

I'm playing Justice for All right now and I already have Apollo justice (or whatever that ones called). Should I move straight to that one or would it be better to wait and buy Trials and Tribulations first?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on August 25, 2015, 06:09:03 PM
It don't matter.
I'd say play T&T first, but if you have to go out of your way to get it, play AJ first.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 25, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Bubbles on August 25, 2015, 06:07:08 PMA quick q for my AA enthusiasts:

I'm playing Justice for All right now and I already have Apollo justice (or whatever that ones called). Should I move straight to that one or would it be better to wait and buy Trials and Tribulations first?

It's definitely preferable to play Trials and Tribulations since some elements of AJAA won't be as good for you. But AJAA contains no spoilers for Trials and Tribulations, either, since they're basically completely unrelated, so it's not like it would be the end of the world.

Trials and Tribulations marks the end of what's officially known as the Phoenix Wright trilogy, with everything after that kind of going in a different direction. So I recommend playing those three in order first.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Bubbles on August 25, 2015, 06:25:27 PM
Ah, ok, thanks. I'll see if my local GameStop has it *cringe*
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: InfinitySoul on September 01, 2015, 08:48:30 AM
Ace Attorney 6 was announced today everyone and its confirmed for western release.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 01, 2015, 08:49:27 AM
http://kotaku.com/ace-attorney-6-was-just-announced-1727912881

Hype hype hype! Also confirmed for a U.S. release! Look at that logo--Phoenix keeps his Dual Destinies hair I'm so excited
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on September 01, 2015, 08:50:32 AM
Wow that's exciting. Let's hope that at least a handful of previous characters return. Wouldn't mind having Juniper or Blackquill show up again.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on September 01, 2015, 09:17:06 AM
*cough* Sebastian *cough*

But what about The Great Ace Attorney?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on September 01, 2015, 09:19:16 AM
Quote from: Maelstrom on September 01, 2015, 09:17:06 AM*cough* Sebastian *cough*

But what about The Great Ace Attorney?
If Sebastian does show up he'll be like 25 years old or something. Besides, I'd expect them to make Kay show up first or something if they were going to incorporate characters from Investigations, and she hasn't yet.

And The Great Ace Attorney is still coming. I think Japan might have already got it actually.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on September 01, 2015, 09:24:13 AM
Quote from: blueflower999 on September 01, 2015, 09:19:16 AMAnd The Great Ace Attorney is still coming. I think Japan might have already got it actually.
July 9th.
Not entirely sure if it's coming, as there's a whole JapanXEngland thing going on and Capcom like to pretend that it takes place in America with hamburgers and stuff.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on September 01, 2015, 09:39:39 AM
Yay! (I still have to figure out how to buy Dual Destinies, though) But this'll be awesome!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 01, 2015, 10:20:43 AM
Kind of a bummer that they announced a localization of AA6 before Dai Gyakuten Saiban, makes me think that we won't get it. Then again, we ended up getting Azran Legacy and Dual Destinies before PLVAA (both of which were released AFTER the crossover in Japan).
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 03, 2015, 07:33:30 AM
http://kotaku.com/ace-attorney-6-sounds-rather-unusual-1728424303

Oh my god I'm so hyped

Also some people are freaking out because some of the character scans show things like Magatamas around the neck, but they're just different enough to make people think it might be a group of spirit mediums that use something other than the Kurain technique.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on September 03, 2015, 08:45:13 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 03, 2015, 07:33:30 AMhttp://kotaku.com/ace-attorney-6-sounds-rather-unusual-1728424303

Oh my god I'm so hyped

Also some people are freaking out because some of the character scans show things like Magatamas around the neck, but they're just different enough to make people think it might be a group of spirit mediums that use something other than the Kurain technique.
people are already making a big deal over whether or not Phoenix is the only playable character like wtf
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 03, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
I meeeean it kind of is a big deal? Apollo Justice exists
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on September 03, 2015, 12:40:00 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 03, 2015, 07:33:30 AMhttp://kotaku.com/ace-attorney-6-sounds-rather-unusual-1728424303

Oh my god I'm so hyped.
This sounds ridiculously similar to PLvsAA.  :-\
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 03, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
I'm so hyped ;D I can't contain my excitement djdjjfjsjs
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 03, 2015, 01:22:13 PM
Also worth noting that it's being developed by the team who created Dual Destinies, not Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright and Dai Gyakuten Saiban.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Mashi on September 03, 2015, 03:28:04 PM
This game is making me Delited.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 03, 2015, 03:36:25 PM
mashi i swear to god

also finish the third game already
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Mashi on September 03, 2015, 03:54:00 PM
I'll finish it eventually, I just suck!!!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 03, 2015, 03:55:41 PM
ITS BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Mashi on September 03, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
I'M SORRY, I LEFT MY TIME DILATION ON BY ACCIDENT ALL THIS TIME.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Jompa on September 17, 2015, 05:09:33 AM
anime adaption (http://myanimelist.net/news/42224171)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 17, 2015, 05:37:04 AM
Quote from: Jompa on September 17, 2015, 05:09:33 AManime adaption (http://myanimelist.net/news/42224171)

I'm fucking bawling that's amazing
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on September 17, 2015, 05:22:17 PM
What I really want to see is the musical. How does that even work.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 17, 2015, 06:28:26 PM
Quote from: Hero of Trains on September 17, 2015, 05:22:17 PMWhat I really want to see is the musical. How does that even work.

The best thing about the musical is that all of the roles are played by women

Including Phoenix and Edgeworth
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on September 17, 2015, 06:50:00 PM
So it's like a reverse Shakespeare play then. That sounds freaking brilliant. Can I see Tyrell Badd played by a woman please
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on September 17, 2015, 07:13:14 PM
I'd love to see that. I also want to see old grandma Alba and her extraterritorial rights.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 17, 2015, 08:44:37 PM
OLD GRANDMA ALBA
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: TheInsidiousSpurt on September 20, 2015, 10:05:43 AM
I would love to see Sal Manella's actor.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 20, 2015, 01:36:45 PM
Japanese trailer for the game is up, and in it you can see that Phoenix's model from Dual Destinies has been tweaked just a bit--he looks so good here. Also, Apollo Justice confirmed to appear in the game.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: TheInsidiousSpurt on October 02, 2015, 07:29:26 PM
But what about Athena?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 02, 2015, 07:48:46 PM
nobody cares about athena no confirmation yet
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: TheInsidiousSpurt on October 03, 2015, 09:24:16 PM
Athena is hot
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on October 03, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Most girls in Ace Attorney below a certain age (and not named Pearl) are pretty hot
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: TheInsidiousSpurt on October 07, 2015, 06:16:48 PM
This is true. Oldbag is disgusting tho
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on October 10, 2015, 04:03:59 PM
I AM FINALLY PLAYING INVESTIGATIONS 2 I downloaded it last summer and beat the first case but didn't get any further due to the ORAS pokedex being more important for all the months and then when I finally beat that Xenoblade happened so I'm FINALLY PLAYING THIS god I am such a terrible AA fan
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: blueflower999 on October 10, 2015, 04:31:11 PM
You won't be disappointed lol
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on October 11, 2015, 07:53:56 AM
I got distracted and went to arrange Kay's theme though
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on October 11, 2015, 06:06:35 PM
Ooh, an AA topic! #aceattorney4life

I've beaten all of them (with the exception of DGS, of course). T&T is by far the best, AAI2 comes second. The rest of the list gets a little hazy, though for a fact DD is definitely my least favorite.

A lot of people love AAI2 the most, but I was actually a little disappointed because...
Spoiler
The ending felt pretty "meh." Maybe it was because I was expecting a long, drawn-out battle like in AAI, but it just felt too easy to take the villain down. Besides, the ending still felt rushed, as they didn't return to touch on some things that they had earlier (I especially wish Sebastian came back while you were fighting Simon).
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On a music-related note, I love the OST from the games as well--especially PLvsPW, T&T, and AAI. If I find the time to arrange some music, it'll all be from AA.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on December 27, 2015, 02:54:16 PM
[snip]
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 27, 2015, 03:33:53 PM
Quote from: Altissimo on December 27, 2015, 02:54:16 PMi'm cosplaying for an anime convention next weekend

big image
(http://i.imgur.com/r6fKX4X.jpg)
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Better play your theme song as you walk around.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on December 27, 2015, 03:35:38 PM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on December 27, 2015, 03:33:53 PMBetter play your theme song as you walk around.

Shouldn't be hard, I arranged it myself!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 27, 2015, 04:59:12 PM
*groovy piano and synth intensifies*
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on December 28, 2015, 11:16:30 AM
now, who wants a hug
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 28, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
If you find a Kay cosplayer, you'd better offer her one.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on December 28, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
or franziska

yes it will be painful but w/e
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on March 05, 2016, 12:23:18 PM

IM SO HYPED FOR THIS
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on March 05, 2016, 12:25:23 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on March 05, 2016, 12:23:18 PM

IM SO HYPED FOR THIS

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on March 05, 2016, 12:41:37 PM
i so hope it's dubbed

my body is ready
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on March 09, 2016, 08:00:02 AM
maya confirmed for aa6 i'm so ready my body is ready
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on March 09, 2016, 08:58:35 AM
Her new character design is SO CUTE.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on April 02, 2016, 02:47:13 PM
ACE ATTORNEY ANIME PREMIERED TODAY Y'ALL
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Ōkami~MD on April 03, 2016, 10:35:57 AM
Anyone still have any interest in Dai Gyakuten Saiban now? cause there are subbed playthroughs now and since it (props) won't come over to here as localisation would be.... difficult (whoa Wright is from Japan, even though the english versions say he's american)

So might as well watch


Oooooooooobjection


Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on April 09, 2016, 10:02:27 PM
it's 1 am and i'm getting really emotional over the fact that aa exists plz help
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on April 09, 2016, 10:43:02 PM
relatable
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on April 10, 2016, 02:01:31 AM
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on April 03, 2016, 10:35:57 AMAnyone still have any interest in Dai Gyakuten Saiban now? cause there are subbed playthroughs now and since it (props) won't come over to here as localisation would be.... difficult (whoa Wright is from Japan, even though the english versions say he's american)

So might as well watch

This is like a forbidden fruit, maybe I'll still wait for the fan translation or learn Japanese or...
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on May 11, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
Just going to leave this here... Thoughts?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on May 11, 2016, 06:42:10 PM
My body is ready.
This year is a good year for me and video games.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 11, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
Between Spirit of Justice, Sun and Moon, and Zero Time Dilemma, I'm going have a great year in 3DS games.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on May 11, 2016, 08:43:58 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on May 11, 2016, 08:40:46 PMBetween Spirit of Justice, Sun and Moon, and Kirby Planet Robobot, I'm going have a great year in 3DS games.

same but
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on May 14, 2016, 09:50:35 AM
AA Trilogy is on sale for a short time. Being on the fence I'm considering buying it and playing this series for the first time as I heard good things about it. Anyone want to give their thoughts on why I should make the purchase? Do they have engaging stories? Do they have a good length in terms of content? I want to make sure the $18 is worth it...
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 14, 2016, 10:00:16 AM
Absolutely. Best narrative and character design and development over the first Ace Attorney trilogy than in just about any other game I've ever played.

If you want to get the most out of it, don't speed up the text--let the game text run at default speed and try to do extra stuff without rushing through the game. I guarantee you you'll wish you had more at the end of it (which thankfully you do with the other entries haha).

The 3DS version is also the best version of the four releases so have fun with it!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Latios212 on May 14, 2016, 10:13:34 AM
I bought it a few months ago and just started playing it
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 14, 2016, 12:05:24 PM
Oh by the way, the reason I recommend letting the text run at default speed is because things the text does make the humor a lot funnier, and its missed out on if you skip through the boxes.

Also, it's definitely a good idea to let yourself get through all five episodes of the first game before making a judgment on it, since that final fifth episode is the highlight of the game. Don't stop playing!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on May 14, 2016, 01:27:57 PM
Yasss buy it they are all beautiful and amazing.
The story is good and the characters are wonderful. Especially Edgeworth. He is the best ever and nobody can tell me any different.
Also, remember to press every statement if you enjoy seeing Phoenix getting roasted by Edgeworth and the judge.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on May 14, 2016, 01:31:52 PM
I recommend pressing every statement anyway--opens up lots of funny extra dialogue and characterizations.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on May 15, 2016, 09:13:00 PM
Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on May 14, 2016, 09:50:35 AMAA Trilogy is on sale for a short time. Being on the fence I'm considering buying it and playing this series for the first time as I heard good things about it. Anyone want to give their thoughts on why I should make the purchase? Do they have engaging stories? Do they have a good length in terms of content? I want to make sure the $18 is worth it...

if ur gonna dislike it, because you and i disagree on p much every video game opinion, then dont buy it hahaha

but no everyone in the world should
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on June 01, 2016, 09:13:30 PM
Decided to pick it up and I really do enjoy it, 100%'d the first game already, now onto the second. I think I know what'll be played on the long car trip this weekend~
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 01, 2016, 09:17:36 PM
Hell yeah have a good time! Second game is the series dark horse but it's my personal favorite (it's got the best introductory case and possibly the best finale of them all, and it's the only one to address some of the contradictions in the moral aspects of being a defense attorney).
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on June 02, 2016, 05:32:40 AM
The last case in that one is the best ever in all the Phoenix Wright games, period. It has everyone important, and is awesome and amazing. I won't say any more because I risk spoiling it, but the best prosecutor ever is in it, and they are the best. Ever.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on June 03, 2016, 02:01:30 PM
Mmhm~ So far my favorite character is the Judge simply because he seems so silly. I'm actually hoping there'll be a case where you have to defend him (or can accuse him of a crime and get him guilty :P). Should be fun to play on the ride tomorrow~
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 03, 2016, 02:05:03 PM
Quote from: TheDreamingHawk on June 03, 2016, 02:01:30 PMMmhm~ So far my favorite character is the Judge simply because he seems so silly. I'm actually hoping there'll be a case where you have to defend him (or can accuse him of a crime and get him guilty :P). Should be fun to play on the ride tomorrow~

Depends on how many of the games you play. In the spin-off game Investigations, the Judge does play a large role in one case.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 03, 2016, 02:35:14 PM
I mean everyone in this game is hella silly, half of the fun is laughing at the ridiculous dialogue
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on June 14, 2016, 06:15:42 PM
AA6 hype

Soundtrack is amazing:

Spoiler



(Sounds a lot like DD CE theme; can't decide which one I like better.)


(Not even close to my favorite Pursuit but still decent.)


HYYYYYYYYYYYPE

(Still prefer 2001/2002 tho)
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 26, 2016, 09:10:22 PM
Attention!!!!!!! Episode 13 of the AA anime is very important!!!!! It doesn't matter if you played the game and aren't watching the anime because episode 13 is a whole episode of stuff that never happened in the game but is extremely perfectly done regardless!!!!!!! It is on Kissanime please go watch it! I wouldn't be posting if it weren't super important. I laughed and cried and had a ridiculous happy fit. Ok I didn't actually cry but i felt like it. Point is you ALL NEED TO WATCH IT please
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on June 27, 2016, 03:57:00 AM
But.....but.....the anime sucks......
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2016, 05:37:32 AM
^have you given it a chance? Somewhere around the end of the second case and the beginning of the samurai one, it gets really really good all of a sudden. Don't knock it.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 07:00:44 AM
what Slow said and also i don't care if the anime sucks in your view EPISODE 13 IS REALLY IMPORTANT
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on June 27, 2016, 07:56:14 AM
I dropped it halfway through 1-3. It was just meh. The animation wasn't great, it felt too streamlined, and made me wish I was just replaying the games instead.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 08:00:38 AM
episode 13 is really important i promise. it's stuff that doesn't happen in the game but its Legit
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: EFitTrainr on June 27, 2016, 10:22:10 AM
Can confirm, best episode.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 11:09:49 AM
it's super important
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on June 27, 2016, 05:22:33 PM
It was good.
Surprised they're doing the JFA cases. I thought they were only doing the first game. I may need to tune in when 2-4 airs
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 05:28:05 PM
It's confirmed they're doing the first 2 games. I hope they go beyond and do everything (or at least the "main" stuff)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2016, 05:41:38 PM
They actually confirmed both games a while back (like when the anime was announced), though it seems they're excising the opening case of Justice For All. Which makes me sad. That's the best case in the franchise.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 05:45:20 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2016, 05:41:38 PMThey actually confirmed both games a while back (like when the anime was announced), though it seems they're excising the opening case of Justice For All. Which makes me sad. That's the best case in the franchise.

I was telling shadowkirby this earlier but 2-1 actually takes place after 2-2 so perhaps they're going in chronological order?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2016, 05:50:04 PM
OH THATS TRUE I did totally forget that detail

That would mean rise from the ashes is definitely not happening though
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 05:51:11 PM
I still think it might. like maybe *after* game 2, it could still theoretically show up in that time frame. or something. idk
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2016, 05:52:37 PM
Idea: Rise from the Ashes is a movie
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 05:54:11 PM
shadowkirby suggested that already lmao and i thought of it too but it's the LONGEST CASE, they'd have to really trim it down to make it be not like 3 hours
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2016, 05:55:22 PM
Mm nah it could easily be done, they've already shown a lot of great instances of trimming the fat in the anime alone
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 05:57:32 PM
But even so the entire 1-4 plot was like, 3 or 4 hours of combined episodes
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 27, 2016, 06:25:53 PM
That was too long and we both know it
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 27, 2016, 06:31:41 PM
surprisingly i disagree, i actually think trimming the fat made the logic jumps harder to follow for non-AA veterans (part of the fun of AA is figuring it out yourself before Phoenix has to tell you but here it just seems like Phoenix spouts bizarre logic and it turns out to be correct), but i can also see where you're coming from!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on June 29, 2016, 01:51:10 PM
I watched a bit of the anime.

I thought it was pretty alright and faithful to the game. The finger stuff was a little silly sometimes tho lol. I guess they had to make some of those reactions make sense somehow.

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also they didn't have von karma slam his head against the wall a lot and i'm really sad about that
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on June 29, 2016, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: K-NiGhT on June 29, 2016, 01:51:10 PM
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also they didn't have von karma slam his head against the wall a lot and i'm really sad about that
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YOU'RE RIGHT......... aw man
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on July 18, 2016, 03:39:08 PM
its not a double post if its been like 2 weeks since my last post

anyway, ace attorney anime just did a thing. if u havent watched episode 13 i still strongly recommend you do so. anyway, on the anime's newest ep. imma put this in a spoiler but mostly for those of you who havent played the GAME rather than havent seen the anime

Reunion and Turnabout/2-2
they actually changed a contradiction believe it or not!!!! in the anime we were treated to a fully animated sequence of Maya going into the Channeling Chamber for the channeling ritual, which of course gives them the license to change it up a little. Not only was Maya wearing a new outfit (though everything changes around that; like it's that new outfit which is shown in the picture of "Maya" with the pistol, and that outfit that is presented as evidence, etc), but there was like a whole solid ritual going on. And in it, Maya wore some sort of gold crown-headdress-thing. And the picture of "Maya" with the pistol didn't have it. And Phoenix used that as his proof that something fishy was going on rather than the "the costume submitted to the court has a bullet hole and this one doesn't" contradiction, even though the costume submitted to the court had the bullet hole and Phoenix pointed it out with the same "this was not from point-blank" argument.

honestly this case confuses the fuck out of me despite having played it a million times (main question: are we meant to believe the bullet went through the folding screen, the box, and... maya's sleeve?? while she was in the box???? without hitting HER??????) so i'm a little glad they went with that instead tbh even though it doesn't actually remove my question. it was especially funny because after phoenix pointed it out, franziska said "Well how do you know it didn't just fall off during the tussle?" and PEARL raises an objection that no, that thing fits really tightly, it's impossible for it to fall off. you go pearl. fuck i'm glad they decided to have her do that.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on August 02, 2016, 09:06:22 PM
>its not a double post if its been like 2 weeks since my last post

Today, August 3rd 2016, is Phoenix Wright's first case as a defense attorney!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 02, 2016, 09:11:27 PM
Haha I've had this alarm set in my phone for a year and a half

Also the dates of all the other cases from the trilogy

Can't wait to play this in real time
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Onionleaf on August 07, 2016, 04:23:14 AM
I've only recently started playing these series,will try to go in chronological order. I like the gameplay so far, although find the Court Room scenes more interesting than the investigations.

Oh year, those dates made me realise how 2016 used to seem like so far away in the future. Jeez, before you know it, 2030 will only be around the corner. O.o
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 07, 2016, 06:17:52 AM
Quote from: Onionleaf on August 07, 2016, 04:23:14 AMI've only recently started playing these series,will try to go in chronological order. I like the gameplay so far, although find the Court Room scenes more interesting than the investigations.

Oh year, those dates made me realise how 2016 used to seem like so far away in the future. Jeez, before you know it, 2030 will only be around the corner. O.o

I recommend playing them in release order, but honestly as long as you play the trilogy first and in order it doesn't matter that much
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on August 08, 2016, 07:24:43 PM
Yay! I'd also recommend release order, just because there are a bunch of flashbacks in all of them so chronological order doesn't work so well. And yeah, investigating can sometimes be hard to figure out what to do next (was that english?), except in Investigations.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Onionleaf on August 09, 2016, 04:01:22 AM
Ah okay, is the list of games on the Wiki according to release order? I think it will take me long enough just to get through the first three games for now, but a recommended order list would be most helpful sooner or later. ^^ Are the spin-off series interesting to play as well?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 09, 2016, 05:02:30 AM
Release order (games that are numbered are considered the "main series" and you should do them in order whatever else you play between them).

1. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
2. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Justice For All
3. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations
4. Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney
Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth
Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth 2 (not out in America, you'll have to emulate and it's absolutely worth it)
Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
5. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Destinies
6. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice (due for release in September)

The Edgeworth games are amazing, particularly the second one, and they're so tied to the main series that they don't even qualify as a spinoff. I don't recommend skipping them. But if you play the main series games before you play those, there won't be any major problems. Same goes for the maybe-canon Professor Layton crossover, which is an incredible game but which I don't recommend playing until you've beaten at least the first three Ace Attorney games (and the first two Professor Layton games).

Basically, play the first three games first, and then you can do the following in any order you want. You won't miss out on anything either way:
1. The rest of the main series: Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney / Dual Destinies / Spirit of Justice
2. The Edgeworth games (recommend doing these back to back)
3. Professor Layton game

Damn, sorry I got so long here, but the timeline of games is tricky.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on August 09, 2016, 06:55:21 AM
edgeworth 2 is a masterpiece can confirm, its my favorite in the whole series
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Onionleaf on August 24, 2016, 04:03:09 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 09, 2016, 05:02:30 AMDamn, sorry I got so long here, but the timeline of games is tricky.

No no, thanks for taking the time to explain it all! I've only finished the first game so far - I'm excited to see what the rest of them are like!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 24, 2016, 07:38:45 AM
OMG did you like episode 5?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 25, 2016, 08:57:50 AM
Reminder that the demo for Spirit of Justice is out today!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Onionleaf on September 06, 2016, 02:53:34 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 24, 2016, 07:38:45 AMOMG did you like episode 5?

It was sooo confusing. @@ To be honest I was stumped in some places - I think it's because there was a lot more evidence to work with than in previous cases. The murderer was one tough nut to crack, that's for sure.
All in all, I'd have to say I enjoyed Episode 4 the most, I guess it was just more intriguing and the ending result was explained quite well. Whereas in Episode 5, there was like, what, three different "murder" scenes to untangle? Yikes!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 06, 2016, 09:31:27 AM
Yeahhh well it wasn't in the GBA release, so Capcom felt that they needed to give gamers a reason to buy a remake (it literally doubles the length of the game). It definitely feels almost like three different cases in one.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Hero of Trains on September 06, 2016, 06:49:38 PM
It was definitely long, but I really liked it, mostly because of the characters. Ema is one of my favorite characters of all time, mostly because I'm literally her. Even our ages match up, real year to in-universe year. And
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Gant is my favorite villain in the whole series because he's manipulative, but not in a completely insane way like a certain girl in the third game.
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Also, the blue badger is, well, something, and I love it and hate it at the same time.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 06, 2016, 07:35:08 PM
What the hell is that wriggling piece of plywood?!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 08, 2016, 08:20:48 AM
Out today on the Nintendo 3DS eShop are Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice (with the DLC costumes being free if you get the game during the first week of release) and four home menu themes based on the game--pixel art themes for Phoenix Wright, Apollo Justice, and Athena Cykes, as well as one featuring the main characters of the game.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Oronoco on September 08, 2016, 07:09:17 PM
I've been slowly and steadily playing through Ace Attorney for the first time, too. And I just got to this part

Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 06, 2016, 07:35:08 PMWhat the hell is that wriggling piece of plywood?!

and it made it so much better because I recognized that line. So um, thanks, Slow. It made me really happy for some reason.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on September 09, 2016, 07:02:24 PM
My thoughts on SoJ so far (just beat Case 2, and spoilers obviously):

Case 1:

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I thought this was a very impressive first case, with its fair share of twists and turns. Some parts felt a little too obvious, even for the first case (such as the fact that the killer used the breaker to cause the blackout), and I didn't like how the killer kept interrupting the music, but regardless, I think this might be my second-favorite first case in the series (behind 4-1, of course).

Also, Phoenix is a badass for being willing enough to defend Alhbi with his own life on the line, and with those constant "chop chop" threats.
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Case 2:

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An AA case with only one investigation section followed by only one trial section? That's a first.

This case was extremely promising at the start, and while it didn't turn out badly in the end, there were a few parts that annoyed me a bit, namely the twins reveal, and the sudden revelation that Apollo has revealing that Retinz is actually Mr. Reus (I dislike sudden revelations in general, though this one wasn't nearly as bad as Phoenix's in 1-4). A lot of the details were left out, making the trial feel a little bare (especially Retinz's actions after the murder itself happened, since it was mostly summarized generally without any proof or evidence to show that he specifically tampered with the scene).

Also, the new Revisualization sequence looks AWESOME. Plus, it was used really well in this case, too.

This game is living proof that the AA breakdowns have only gotten crazier over time.

Overall, this is my second-favorite 2nd case in the series, behind 4-2 and slightly ahead of 2-2 and 3-2.

Finally, is it just me or are they still trying to ship Apollo and Trucy, even though they're related? If you present Trucy's diary again after giving it back to her, Apollo shows quite a bit of interest when Trucy brings up that she may have some "love troubles"...
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 10, 2016, 12:46:31 PM
I'm also done with the first two cases.

Damn, it's crazy that the second case only has two (SUPER LONG) segments. It took me about 4 hours for the investigation and about 6 hours for the trial--this was also with copious examination and presenting, and checking the log a lot to make sure I hadn't missed anything. I've decided I'm going to start taking notes throughout the game, so here are my notes for the trial of Episode 2:

The Magical Turnabout Day 1 Trial
The Magical Turnabout Day 1 Trial
This new defendant lobby music is stressful as hell I feel like someone's about to die and we're not even in Khura'in

THE NEW COURT MUSIC IS EVEN MORE DRAMATIC IT'S LIKE CHILL BUT SOMEONE'S ABOUT TO DIE

The Judge's eyes look so bulbous when he does his surprise face

I, too, write the case details on a scroll

As if "Mr. Reus" wasn't blatant enough, his official name is Manov Mistree. I can't help but be reminded of how Zak Gramarye was originally known as "Shadi Smith" when he was trying to hide his identity.

I'm a fan of the perpetually flowing sash Nahyuta wears, it's a neat animation

Nahyuta is one pretty, pretty man

"I guess Ema couldn't convince him after all" I'm very curious as to how exactly that conversation went down??? "Yeah, uh, the girl you're prosecuting is super nice. Don't prosecute her pls"

I'M ABSOLUTELY FLOORED I was so cool with Nahyuta until he started fucking ripping into Apollo immediately

"Satorha" with the Khura'inese text is pretty cool, the developers put way too much effort into making this a real language

Judge: "I-I see... So basically, you're asking the defense to "get real"? – look who can speak in a modern dialect, finally

"...then I shall cast you down into the pit of hell, along with Trucy Wright!" OH FUCK THIS GUY

APOLLO TO THE RESCUE "IS THAT ANY WAY TO SPEAK IN COURT"

I love Apollo his reactions are so real

EMA IS BACK ON THE SNACKOOS poor Apollo this is bad news

Ema stress eats this is so relatable

EMA FUCKING GOES FOR IT ON THE STAND HOLY SHIT

"She and Prosecutor Sahdmadhi don't seem to get along very well, do they?" when has Ema ever gotten along with a prosecutor she was assigned tbh

I'm laughing the American court reacts to this hostility toward lawyers the same way we did in the first case nice

Sahdmadhi's evidence that Mr. Reus was going to reveal all of Troupe Gramarye's secrets on stage during the show? "Bonny de Famme testified that just before the start of the show, Mr. Reus said... 'I'm going to reveal all of Troupe Gramarye's secrets on stage today!'"

Athena's reaction to the above: "Hmm... Well, that isn't exactly a great starting point for a rebuttal, is it...?"

I swear to god I die every time someone from Khura'in casually threatens to send a defense attorney to hell

Nahyuta is extremely well animated wow

WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE DEALT WITH A PROSECUTOR THIS RUDE

Did the judge really start to call Apollo Mr. Stink Bug

AWW THE HEALTH BAR IS MADE UP OF ATTORNEY'S BADGES IN AMERICA

NAHYUTA IS PULLING THE SALARY EVALUATION CARD HOLY SHIT

Apollo is the snarkiest little guy I love him

I cannot believe they greenlit the line "(Get a little too addicted to using your precious white powder, did you, Ema?)"

"This 'Holy Mother' is no scientific concept I've ever heard of." SAME EMA SAME

Apollo: "Y-You WHAAAT?! (He actually had proof?!)" – same

Apollo, after I present something incorrectly: "Objection! (Well, I presented that evidence with plenty of confidence...but that confidence is waning by the second...)"
Judge: "Well, how about it, Mr. Justice? Do you have an inconsistency to show the court or not?"
Apollo: "...Um, I was just doing some vocal training, so feel free to continue."
Judge: "And overlook the damage done to our hearing, Mr. Justice? I think not!" *penalty*

From another incorrect objection (this testimony is hard):
Apollo: "...Huh. That's funny. I thought I saw an inconsistency a second ago... It disappeared – like magic! The murder occurred during a magic show, so crazy things like this are bound to happen." thanks Apollo

THIS IS DUMB BOTH OF MY PREVIOUS OBJECTIONS WERE TRYING TO PROVE THAT TRUCY COULDN'T HAVE LEFT FINGERPRINTS WITH HER GLOVES ON

Why didn't presenting the footage of the show work she clearly has gloves on in the video

THEY REMIXED HIS OBJECTION

".............But, on a personal level, I'm very happy about that!" I love Ema I should never have doubted her

When Apollo says "Stag beetles are cool, with those huge mandibles of theirs!" Athena's face says it all

The line "I've been demoted to a vegetable?!" slayed me

"How did the victim's body wind up inside the coffin?" If I hadn't already lost two of my five strikes I would absolutely be answering "it was magic" because I truly believe this would probably the best scene in the game if I did

I absolutely love the arrangement of the Kurain theme from the original trilogy that they've been using in this game

HE FUCKING ATTACKS APOLLO WITH A ROSARY IM GONNA SCREAM

Athena finally intervenes it's about time

"Your Honor, please send for this little child's guardian to come take her home" OH MY GOD WHAT A DICK

I don't really like Bonny all that much but I did have to laugh at her pun "lagomorph-ing illusionist"

I laughed at "(Sure, you're a real fan, all right... Of destroying Trucy, you mean.)"

Bonny: "What else could I think?!" Apollo "(I know of at least three other unflattering things you REALLY think about Trucy...)" this made me laugh because the question was so obviously rhetorical

"Feel free to slowly mull it over while you roast over the flames of hell, you evil red pepper!" why is the writing for this game so perfect

Nahyuta literally pulls out a scroll and tells Apollo which particular hell he will be sent to. I really like this scene for some reason

The Judge thinks PTSD is called "Postal Stress Disorder" and that "it's where a person becomes uncontrollably angry."

After Bonny loses it for a moment, the camera cuts to the Judge, who just stares in bewilderment at her for a moment before shaking his head and telling Athena to "help this unfortunate young lady" without addressing Bonny's statement at all.

Nahyuta thinks the Mood Matrix sounds like "spurious devilry." Judging by how sparingly it was used in Dual Destinies, the developers agree.

Bonny calling Athena a "know-nothing know-it-all" definitely gave me an insult I'll use in the future

I appreciate that the character models are now detailed enough to allow for gratuitous close-ups that still look graphically nice

BONNY'S TRANSFORMATION IS SO GOOD I LOVE THE AESTHETIC

I'm suddenly interested in this character

The music that's playing is the same track they used for Roger Retinz in the investigation and I'm a big fan of this track??? It's quirky and catchy and it makes me laugh—maybe it's a generic "creepy person" music

I love that the gallery murmurs in shock over this witness pronouncing gleefully that she's a bat

Apollo's over-the-top dramatic shocked reaction to being called "lobster boy" makes me think he has an aversion to lobsters

Apollo referring to Bonny as "Batsy McBatty" gives me life

Apollo no don't accuse Bonny of murder the person you accuse on the first day of trial is never the true culprit

Okay he did it with the phrase "You are one artful liar, Ms. de Famme, and one spectacular suspect!" which contains really nice alliteration and is just a very good wording overall so I can forgive it

Speaking of nice wording, Nahyuta follows that up with "My apologies for raining on the defense's merry revelry..." which is a nice turn of phrase

I'm calling it Bonny's teleportation trick is how she was under the stage

Judge: ".........Hmm... I've heard some illogical things come out of you before, but this is absurd."

Judge: "My gut tells me you're bluffing, but I'll bite." JUDGE IS SLAYING TODAY

RIP I misunderstood the answer and accidentally had Apollo claim that the witness teleported beneath the stage
Judge's response: "............Well, I have listened patiently to your reasoning...and the only thing dispelled is the false air of competency you tried to project." HE NEEDS TO TAKE A PILL

Judge: "Ho ho ho. You might be surprised to hear this, but...I used to be known as the 'Jokester Judge'!" I just lost it

How are there five bullet points in a row that are Judge lines?
Judge: "Oh! Maybe YOU are the fake, and your attorney's badge is made out of cardboard!"
Apollo: "No, no! I'm the real thing, I swear! ...And why cardboard, specifically...?
Judge: "Let's just say I had an infuriating experience thanks to one..."

Nahyuta Sick Burn Corner: "I suspected you had a few screws loose, but now I see some are missing altogether." NICE

The audience bursting into applause after the teleportation trick is funny enough, but the Judge proclaiming that "The witness has suddenly split into two people!" only makes it better

The animation of the twins fighting on the stand followed by Apollo telling them to leave the sibling rivalry for later is pretty amusing

The clacking sound of the rosary when Nahyuta slams the table is really satisfying to hear for some reason

The simultaneous shocked animation where their parasols fly back after Nahyuta announces his plan to send them to "interrogation hell" is priceless

I'm really loving the twin dynamic, this is pretty amusing

Athena: "By the time people realized it wasn't a part of the act, it might be too late, huh."
Apollo: "(If by 'people,' you mean 'Athena Cykes,' then yes.)"

Betty excitedly imagining setting the Judge's beard on fire is slaying me

Judge: "Ho ho ho. I plan to be sitting up here at least another ten years."
Athena: "Ten more years? I don't know about that..."
Apollo: "What did we discuss about inner monologues, Athena?!"

In this moment of time I feel so bad that Bonny is so supportive of Betty but Betty is so awful to her why am I so invested in this

I'm down to one attorney's badge why is this so stressful

I lost all my badges so I need to go back to the title screen and restart?? Good thing I just saved when I got down to one

What the hell am I supposed to present how is it not the fire bucket

I'm going to wring somebody's neck I presented the fire bucket I just did it on the wrong statement two separate times and IT MADE SENSE FOR THE OTHER STATEMENTS I PRESENTED IT ON

Betty: "Well... hmph! We have even better tricks up our sleeves!"
Bonny: "...Huh? We do?"

Apollo's theme music is so badass it gets me so pumped up

Betty threatens to rip off Apollo's bangs, and he shouts "Objection!" ...just to say that they'll grow back. Was that really worth an objection

Bonny calming her sister down is kind of sweet

Take-2 TV's idea of a prank is making Trucy believe she committed murder. Nobody except Apollo seems to think this is not a great idea for a practical joke.

The bat in Betty's hat is so much cuter than the bunny in Bonny's

Betty: "But for some reason, he really DID turn up dead, so he kinda just stayed on the ground." As dead people do, Betty.

The person in the gallery who says "I knew she was a homicidal little witch from the start!" is now my personal nemesis and I will hurt them

What the fuck is Retinz doing here oh my god I hate this guy

Athena just became my own personal hero by screaming "GO AWAY, YOU CREEP" in all caps

I enjoy the fact that Retinz probably has some mysterious revenge type history with the Gramaryes

Betty is being so harsh to Bonny but I still acknowledge that calling her "harebrain" is funny

Apollo cheering Trucy up by shouting "You'll be FINE" at her is really heartwarming

Trucy introducing herself as "Trucy Wright. Magician" makes me so happy

Apollo: "(What a Grade-A jerk! Well, he's not going to psyche US out!)" this statement proves that even in his inner monologue, Apollo lives in the 90s

All of these hecklers make me so sad and I feel like the game is trying to make a commentary on the mass media

Trucy performing her testimony is so satisfying

This gallery is so easily swayed I can't stop laughing

I still only have one attorney's badge left rip I'm going to need to save before I do everything

Pressing this testimony is a riot everyone is just like "shut up and enjoy the show Apollo"

Trucy's line "Now, boys and girls, watch carefully, and please don't kick the seat in front of you!" is so cute I love it

Athena objects to Apollo pointing out the contradiction holy shit no

The only new characters are involved with this case are Retinz, Bonny and Betty, the victim, and the prosecutor. They're getting a lot of mileage out of just a few new characters.

Bonny looking up to Trucy and being inspired by her is something I can get behind

Bonny finding the fact that the cameraman filmed her the whole time creepy is also something I can get behind

Oh my god I cannot describe how uncomfortable it makes me that the cameraman started at her feet and slowly panned up to her face

I'm finding it amusing that the random guy in the TV station who told you about this ended up being relevant to the case

Apollo voiced my thought that it was weird how Athena knew how to operate the video analysis, and Athena immediately admits that she just fucking made it up

On the other hand, I enjoy the dramatic close-up of Retinz's shoes that pans up to his face. Maybe it's because I feel like the developers just wanted to show off his shoe design. Or it could be the fact that he looks sort of like Johnny Depp when Johnny Depp isn't in character.

Nahyuta has studied up on American culture so thoroughly that he knows "What's crack-a-lackin', homie?" is an acceptable greeting when someone presents their business card.

Nahyuta watched all of Retinz's shows to prepare for this case. His favorite? "The Ratings Rajah Goes to Burger Barn."

This entire side conversation about Nahyuta visiting Burger Barn is making me laugh

I just realized it's probably about ramen in the Japanese

"O hollow red pepper. Your impotent seeds sprout naught but meaningless, empty words." I love this analogy of comparing Apollo to a red pepper.

Retinz pretending his head fell off is an out of nowhere funny bit

Retinz holding a large flame while saying "Are you watching, Magnifi Gramarye?!" is intense enough, but the reflection in his glasses really sells this bit

The premise for Retinz's television program "Desperation Regeneration?" "Washed-up, has-been singers and comedians get together and play musical chairs. The winner of the game is given a second chance at their career." I can't help but laugh at that

Nahyuta implying that Apollo Justice is an "ex-lawyer who used to make ridiculous bluffs in court, and faded sadly into obscurity" has an unpleasant ring of truth

LMAO so when I had to point out what we had seen that looked like the shadow, I pointed out Mr. Hat in the video and it was incorrect. So I presented the shadow in the background and Trucy tells me that was Mr. Hat. I WAS RIGHT I TELL YOU

I love this murder plot holy shit it's like Danganronpa-levels of convoluted

Shit Nahyuta's rosary just fucking clocked him

The sideways camera movement to view Apollo's pointing pose from the new angle is so satisfying

Mr. Reus's bloody mask showing up in Retinz's cape was probably my favorite moment of his breakdown.

Retinz's response to Trucy's heartbroken "Do you really hate us so much that you'd kill an innocent man?" – "You're damn right!"

As if I couldn't hate Retinz anymore, he just told Trucy, a seventeen-year-old girl, that she doesn't deserve to call herself a magician. Burn in the Twilight Realm, jackass.

My first belly laugh of the game is Apollo: "(If anyone needs to learn to 'let it go and move on,' it's this guy.)"

The Judge is super freaked out when Retinz makes a comment about burning down the court and prison. Maybe it seems extreme, but a few months ago a fucking bomb went off in court, so I can't really blame him.

It's kind of sweet how the Judge requests of Trucy to see "that wonderful smile of yours – that smile of a true entertainer."

It's been ages since I found the end of a case this relieving and satisfying.

I'm really glad they didn't drag out Retinz's cross-examination. It was just as long as it needed to be.

PLEASE tell me Apollo replaces Mr. Reus in the stage show.

Apollo reassuring Trucy that she's a great magician is making me tear up AGAIN

The post-trial interaction between Nahyuta and Apollo only solidifies my belief that religion kills relationships

Trucy: "You don't like you talk about your past, do you? Because you always change the subject." I really don't know what to make of the fact that Apollo legit has a difficult and mysterious history.

Phoenix: "You're a real, full-fledged lawyer now in my eyes!"
Apollo: "A f-full-fledged lawyer? (...I still can't wrap my mind around it.)" I love this

After Phoenix hangs up, Apollo: "(Full-fledged...)" IT GOT BETTER I LOVE THIS

APOLLO IS IN THE SHOW GOD BLESS
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on September 10, 2016, 02:31:40 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 10, 2016, 12:46:31 PMI'm also done with the first two cases.

Damn, it's crazy that the second case only has two (SUPER LONG) segments. It took me about 4 hours for the investigation and about 6 hours for the trial--this was also with copious examination and presenting, and checking the log a lot to make sure I hadn't missed anything. I've decided I'm going to start taking notes throughout the game, so here are my notes for the trial of Episode 2:

The Magical Turnabout Day 1 Trial
The Magical Turnabout Day 1 Trial
This new defendant lobby music is stressful as hell I feel like someone's about to die and we're not even in Khura'in

THE NEW COURT MUSIC IS EVEN MORE DRAMATIC IT'S LIKE CHILL BUT SOMEONE'S ABOUT TO DIE

The Judge's eyes look so bulbous when he does his surprise face

I, too, write the case details on a scroll

As if "Mr. Reus" wasn't blatant enough, his official name is Manov Mistree. I can't help but be reminded of how Zak Gramarye was originally known as "Shadi Smith" when he was trying to hide his identity.

I'm a fan of the perpetually flowing sash Nahyuta wears, it's a neat animation

Nahyuta is one pretty, pretty man

"I guess Ema couldn't convince him after all" I'm very curious as to how exactly that conversation went down??? "Yeah, uh, the girl you're prosecuting is super nice. Don't prosecute her pls"

I'M ABSOLUTELY FLOORED I was so cool with Nahyuta until he started fucking ripping into Apollo immediately

"Satorha" with the Khura'inese text is pretty cool, the developers put way too much effort into making this a real language

Judge: "I-I see... So basically, you're asking the defense to "get real"? – look who can speak in a modern dialect, finally

"...then I shall cast you down into the pit of hell, along with Trucy Wright!" OH FUCK THIS GUY

APOLLO TO THE RESCUE "IS THAT ANY WAY TO SPEAK IN COURT"

I love Apollo his reactions are so real

EMA IS BACK ON THE SNACKOOS poor Apollo this is bad news

Ema stress eats this is so relatable

EMA FUCKING GOES FOR IT ON THE STAND HOLY SHIT

"She and Prosecutor Sahdmadhi don't seem to get along very well, do they?" when has Ema ever gotten along with a prosecutor she was assigned tbh

I'm laughing the American court reacts to this hostility toward lawyers the same way we did in the first case nice

Sahdmadhi's evidence that Mr. Reus was going to reveal all of Troupe Gramarye's secrets on stage during the show? "Bonny de Famme testified that just before the start of the show, Mr. Reus said... 'I'm going to reveal all of Troupe Gramarye's secrets on stage today!'"

Athena's reaction to the above: "Hmm... Well, that isn't exactly a great starting point for a rebuttal, is it...?"

I swear to god I die every time someone from Khura'in casually threatens to send a defense attorney to hell

Nahyuta is extremely well animated wow

WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE DEALT WITH A PROSECUTOR THIS RUDE

Did the judge really start to call Apollo Mr. Stink Bug

AWW THE HEALTH BAR IS MADE UP OF ATTORNEY'S BADGES IN AMERICA

NAHYUTA IS PULLING THE SALARY EVALUATION CARD HOLY SHIT

Apollo is the snarkiest little guy I love him

I cannot believe they greenlit the line "(Get a little too addicted to using your precious white powder, did you, Ema?)"

"This 'Holy Mother' is no scientific concept I've ever heard of." SAME EMA SAME

Apollo: "Y-You WHAAAT?! (He actually had proof?!)" – same

Apollo, after I present something incorrectly: "Objection! (Well, I presented that evidence with plenty of confidence...but that confidence is waning by the second...)"
Judge: "Well, how about it, Mr. Justice? Do you have an inconsistency to show the court or not?"
Apollo: "...Um, I was just doing some vocal training, so feel free to continue."
Judge: "And overlook the damage done to our hearing, Mr. Justice? I think not!" *penalty*

From another incorrect objection (this testimony is hard):
Apollo: "...Huh. That's funny. I thought I saw an inconsistency a second ago... It disappeared – like magic! The murder occurred during a magic show, so crazy things like this are bound to happen." thanks Apollo

THIS IS DUMB BOTH OF MY PREVIOUS OBJECTIONS WERE TRYING TO PROVE THAT TRUCY COULDN'T HAVE LEFT FINGERPRINTS WITH HER GLOVES ON

Why didn't presenting the footage of the show work she clearly has gloves on in the video

THEY REMIXED HIS OBJECTION

".............But, on a personal level, I'm very happy about that!" I love Ema I should never have doubted her

When Apollo says "Stag beetles are cool, with those huge mandibles of theirs!" Athena's face says it all

The line "I've been demoted to a vegetable?!" slayed me

"How did the victim's body wind up inside the coffin?" If I hadn't already lost two of my five strikes I would absolutely be answering "it was magic" because I truly believe this would probably the best scene in the game if I did

I absolutely love the arrangement of the Kurain theme from the original trilogy that they've been using in this game

HE FUCKING ATTACKS APOLLO WITH A ROSARY IM GONNA SCREAM

Athena finally intervenes it's about time

"Your Honor, please send for this little child's guardian to come take her home" OH MY GOD WHAT A DICK

I don't really like Bonny all that much but I did have to laugh at her pun "lagomorph-ing illusionist"

I laughed at "(Sure, you're a real fan, all right... Of destroying Trucy, you mean.)"

Bonny: "What else could I think?!" Apollo "(I know of at least three other unflattering things you REALLY think about Trucy...)" this made me laugh because the question was so obviously rhetorical

"Feel free to slowly mull it over while you roast over the flames of hell, you evil red pepper!" why is the writing for this game so perfect

Nahyuta literally pulls out a scroll and tells Apollo which particular hell he will be sent to. I really like this scene for some reason

The Judge thinks PTSD is called "Postal Stress Disorder" and that "it's where a person becomes uncontrollably angry."

After Bonny loses it for a moment, the camera cuts to the Judge, who just stares in bewilderment at her for a moment before shaking his head and telling Athena to "help this unfortunate young lady" without addressing Bonny's statement at all.

Nahyuta thinks the Mood Matrix sounds like "spurious devilry." Judging by how sparingly it was used in Dual Destinies, the developers agree.

Bonny calling Athena a "know-nothing know-it-all" definitely gave me an insult I'll use in the future

I appreciate that the character models are now detailed enough to allow for gratuitous close-ups that still look graphically nice

BONNY'S TRANSFORMATION IS SO GOOD I LOVE THE AESTHETIC

I'm suddenly interested in this character

The music that's playing is the same track they used for Roger Retinz in the investigation and I'm a big fan of this track??? It's quirky and catchy and it makes me laugh—maybe it's a generic "creepy person" music

I love that the gallery murmurs in shock over this witness pronouncing gleefully that she's a bat

Apollo's over-the-top dramatic shocked reaction to being called "lobster boy" makes me think he has an aversion to lobsters

Apollo referring to Bonny as "Batsy McBatty" gives me life

Apollo no don't accuse Bonny of murder the person you accuse on the first day of trial is never the true culprit

Okay he did it with the phrase "You are one artful liar, Ms. de Famme, and one spectacular suspect!" which contains really nice alliteration and is just a very good wording overall so I can forgive it

Speaking of nice wording, Nahyuta follows that up with "My apologies for raining on the defense's merry revelry..." which is a nice turn of phrase

I'm calling it Bonny's teleportation trick is how she was under the stage

Judge: ".........Hmm... I've heard some illogical things come out of you before, but this is absurd."

Judge: "My gut tells me you're bluffing, but I'll bite." JUDGE IS SLAYING TODAY

RIP I misunderstood the answer and accidentally had Apollo claim that the witness teleported beneath the stage
Judge's response: "............Well, I have listened patiently to your reasoning...and the only thing dispelled is the false air of competency you tried to project." HE NEEDS TO TAKE A PILL

Judge: "Ho ho ho. You might be surprised to hear this, but...I used to be known as the 'Jokester Judge'!" I just lost it

How are there five bullet points in a row that are Judge lines?
Judge: "Oh! Maybe YOU are the fake, and your attorney's badge is made out of cardboard!"
Apollo: "No, no! I'm the real thing, I swear! ...And why cardboard, specifically...?
Judge: "Let's just say I had an infuriating experience thanks to one..."

Nahyuta Sick Burn Corner: "I suspected you had a few screws loose, but now I see some are missing altogether." NICE

The audience bursting into applause after the teleportation trick is funny enough, but the Judge proclaiming that "The witness has suddenly split into two people!" only makes it better

The animation of the twins fighting on the stand followed by Apollo telling them to leave the sibling rivalry for later is pretty amusing

The clacking sound of the rosary when Nahyuta slams the table is really satisfying to hear for some reason

The simultaneous shocked animation where their parasols fly back after Nahyuta announces his plan to send them to "interrogation hell" is priceless

I'm really loving the twin dynamic, this is pretty amusing

Athena: "By the time people realized it wasn't a part of the act, it might be too late, huh."
Apollo: "(If by 'people,' you mean 'Athena Cykes,' then yes.)"

Betty excitedly imagining setting the Judge's beard on fire is slaying me

Judge: "Ho ho ho. I plan to be sitting up here at least another ten years."
Athena: "Ten more years? I don't know about that..."
Apollo: "What did we discuss about inner monologues, Athena?!"

In this moment of time I feel so bad that Bonny is so supportive of Betty but Betty is so awful to her why am I so invested in this

I'm down to one attorney's badge why is this so stressful

I lost all my badges so I need to go back to the title screen and restart?? Good thing I just saved when I got down to one

What the hell am I supposed to present how is it not the fire bucket

I'm going to wring somebody's neck I presented the fire bucket I just did it on the wrong statement two separate times and IT MADE SENSE FOR THE OTHER STATEMENTS I PRESENTED IT ON

Betty: "Well... hmph! We have even better tricks up our sleeves!"
Bonny: "...Huh? We do?"

Apollo's theme music is so badass it gets me so pumped up

Betty threatens to rip off Apollo's bangs, and he shouts "Objection!" ...just to say that they'll grow back. Was that really worth an objection

Bonny calming her sister down is kind of sweet

Take-2 TV's idea of a prank is making Trucy believe she committed murder. Nobody except Apollo seems to think this is not a great idea for a practical joke.

The bat in Betty's hat is so much cuter than the bunny in Bonny's

Betty: "But for some reason, he really DID turn up dead, so he kinda just stayed on the ground." As dead people do, Betty.

The person in the gallery who says "I knew she was a homicidal little witch from the start!" is now my personal nemesis and I will hurt them

What the fuck is Retinz doing here oh my god I hate this guy

Athena just became my own personal hero by screaming "GO AWAY, YOU CREEP" in all caps

I enjoy the fact that Retinz probably has some mysterious revenge type history with the Gramaryes

Betty is being so harsh to Bonny but I still acknowledge that calling her "harebrain" is funny

Apollo cheering Trucy up by shouting "You'll be FINE" at her is really heartwarming

Trucy introducing herself as "Trucy Wright. Magician" makes me so happy

Apollo: "(What a Grade-A jerk! Well, he's not going to psyche US out!)" this statement proves that even in his inner monologue, Apollo lives in the 90s

All of these hecklers make me so sad and I feel like the game is trying to make a commentary on the mass media

Trucy performing her testimony is so satisfying

This gallery is so easily swayed I can't stop laughing

I still only have one attorney's badge left rip I'm going to need to save before I do everything

Pressing this testimony is a riot everyone is just like "shut up and enjoy the show Apollo"

Trucy's line "Now, boys and girls, watch carefully, and please don't kick the seat in front of you!" is so cute I love it

Athena objects to Apollo pointing out the contradiction holy shit no

The only new characters are involved with this case are Retinz, Bonny and Betty, the victim, and the prosecutor. They're getting a lot of mileage out of just a few new characters.

Bonny looking up to Trucy and being inspired by her is something I can get behind

Bonny finding the fact that the cameraman filmed her the whole time creepy is also something I can get behind

Oh my god I cannot describe how uncomfortable it makes me that the cameraman started at her feet and slowly panned up to her face

I'm finding it amusing that the random guy in the TV station who told you about this ended up being relevant to the case

Apollo voiced my thought that it was weird how Athena knew how to operate the video analysis, and Athena immediately admits that she just fucking made it up

On the other hand, I enjoy the dramatic close-up of Retinz's shoes that pans up to his face. Maybe it's because I feel like the developers just wanted to show off his shoe design. Or it could be the fact that he looks sort of like Johnny Depp when Johnny Depp isn't in character.

Nahyuta has studied up on American culture so thoroughly that he knows "What's crack-a-lackin', homie?" is an acceptable greeting when someone presents their business card.

Nahyuta watched all of Retinz's shows to prepare for this case. His favorite? "The Ratings Rajah Goes to Burger Barn."

This entire side conversation about Nahyuta visiting Burger Barn is making me laugh

I just realized it's probably about ramen in the Japanese

"O hollow red pepper. Your impotent seeds sprout naught but meaningless, empty words." I love this analogy of comparing Apollo to a red pepper.

Retinz pretending his head fell off is an out of nowhere funny bit

Retinz holding a large flame while saying "Are you watching, Magnifi Gramarye?!" is intense enough, but the reflection in his glasses really sells this bit

The premise for Retinz's television program "Desperation Regeneration?" "Washed-up, has-been singers and comedians get together and play musical chairs. The winner of the game is given a second chance at their career." I can't help but laugh at that

Nahyuta implying that Apollo Justice is an "ex-lawyer who used to make ridiculous bluffs in court, and faded sadly into obscurity" has an unpleasant ring of truth

LMAO so when I had to point out what we had seen that looked like the shadow, I pointed out Mr. Hat in the video and it was incorrect. So I presented the shadow in the background and Trucy tells me that was Mr. Hat. I WAS RIGHT I TELL YOU

I love this murder plot holy shit it's like Danganronpa-levels of convoluted

Shit Nahyuta's rosary just fucking clocked him

The sideways camera movement to view Apollo's pointing pose from the new angle is so satisfying

Mr. Reus's bloody mask showing up in Retinz's cape was probably my favorite moment of his breakdown.

Retinz's response to Trucy's heartbroken "Do you really hate us so much that you'd kill an innocent man?" – "You're damn right!"

As if I couldn't hate Retinz anymore, he just told Trucy, a seventeen-year-old girl, that she doesn't deserve to call herself a magician. Burn in the Twilight Realm, jackass.

My first belly laugh of the game is Apollo: "(If anyone needs to learn to 'let it go and move on,' it's this guy.)"

The Judge is super freaked out when Retinz makes a comment about burning down the court and prison. Maybe it seems extreme, but a few months ago a fucking bomb went off in court, so I can't really blame him.

It's kind of sweet how the Judge requests of Trucy to see "that wonderful smile of yours – that smile of a true entertainer."

It's been ages since I found the end of a case this relieving and satisfying.

I'm really glad they didn't drag out Retinz's cross-examination. It was just as long as it needed to be.

PLEASE tell me Apollo replaces Mr. Reus in the stage show.

Apollo reassuring Trucy that she's a great magician is making me tear up AGAIN

The post-trial interaction between Nahyuta and Apollo only solidifies my belief that religion kills relationships

Trucy: "You don't like you talk about your past, do you? Because you always change the subject." I really don't know what to make of the fact that Apollo legit has a difficult and mysterious history.

Phoenix: "You're a real, full-fledged lawyer now in my eyes!"
Apollo: "A f-full-fledged lawyer? (...I still can't wrap my mind around it.)" I love this

After Phoenix hangs up, Apollo: "(Full-fledged...)" IT GOT BETTER I LOVE THIS

APOLLO IS IN THE SHOW GOD BLESS
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In response to some of your comments, Slow:

Case 2 spoilery stuff
Yeah, I was wondering why the investigation was taking FOREVER. I'm always investigating everything and presenting everything to everyone, though, so I don't miss any dialogue. I estimate it took about 4 hours for me as well.

I also really like the new court music for the California trials. I'd been listening to the soundtrack ever since the game came out in Japan, and that one was the one that really surprised me the most. After having played through this case, I think this is the sole track that makes these trials feel so different from the ones in Dual Destinies, despite the same courtroom and characters.

Wow, I never realized the pun with Mr. Reus... shame on me.

Also, I strangely love Bonny's theme to death (the one that plays when you talk to her during the investigation). Is it just me? It also plays for Alhbi in Case 3, so I get to groove out more. :^)

For the record, I actually picked the option "It was magic!" at that one decision point. I don't remember the exact dialogue, but it went something like this:

Apollo: Considering that the crime took place during a magic show...
Apollo: It's not unreasonable to assume that it was actually magic!
Everyone: ...
Judge: ...
Judge: The only magic here, Mr. Justice...
Judge: ...is how you managed to pass the bar exam! *penalty*

And because of that strike, I ended up getting a game over after the recess. :/

I'm really glad they stepped up the difficulty from DD, though. I almost never got penalties in DD, but in this game I'm actually getting game overs.

No spoilers, but Case 3 is shaping up to be pretty good (though IMO not as good as Case 2, but the Divination Séance sequence is really well-done).

EDIT: And one more thing! I think one of the best moments in the entire series is that part when you return to the office at the end of Case 2's investigation and then see everything covered with those creepy red REPOSSESSED stickers--a total OH SHIT moment right there. And of course, the Investigation ~ Core theme only made it creepier.

I really love the music in this game overall, really.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 10, 2016, 03:37:04 PM
^ enjoyed reading that, and you've got some legitimately good points there. But overall I'd say that's an incredibly successful case because of the emotional investments involved--diving back into the relationships and plot threads from AJAA is a surprising and welcome move, and I'm excited to see how it continues to develop. I actually teared up several times during the investigation and then again at the end.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: GaryOak on September 10, 2016, 05:42:47 PM
I just finished the game and

Spoiler
it was GREAT. I can finally forgive Dual Destinies and rest my soul. Long day, still gotta sort my thoughts. This felt like an actual Ace Attorney game, like something between Apollo Justice and DD.  At this point my only complain would be that it felt like they re-used too much music from old games. And maybe too much secret identities haha.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: EFitTrainr on September 10, 2016, 06:16:04 PM
Just started Spirit of Justice, let's goooooooooo
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 10, 2016, 11:37:53 PM
Thoughts for investigation of Episode 3:

The Rite of Turnabout Day 1 Investigation
The Rite of Turnabout Day 1 Investigation
I have to admit, all of this excessive religion is bugging me pretty bad, especially the way the Khura'inese people fanaticize about it like in Ahlbi's line "There's nothing better in the world than being able to pray to your heart's content!"

Phoenix's response to the above: "(I... can think of a few things I'd rather do...)" – SAME

Ahlbi getting starry-eyed over Maya is adorable and I love it.

"I get the feeling I'm in for a really long story." Did you mean starting an Ace Attorney episode.

Phoenix's idea of a respectful prayer in honor of being allowed to stay at the temple: "(May there be a slightly softer futon tonight. And may tomorrow's breakfast be a little bigger.)"

Ahlbi has the only positive reaction to the attorney's badge that I can think of off the top of my head.

Phoenix thinks there's a reason why the American attorney's badge looks like a sunflower, but he can't remember.

Phoenix planning on tipping Ahlbi extra well for his services is such a sweet moment.

"Khura'in is also known as the Land of Prayer." So Khura'in is Georgia.

"I can't wait to see Miss Maya again." Neither can I, Ahlbi.

I'm so uncomfortable and freaking out over a deeply religious Maya OH THANK GOD SHE'S JOKING

Such a snazzy little rework of the Turnabout Sisters Theme ahhhh

Phoenix: "(Now, if I were to pray for something...it'd be for me to not get dragged into any more trouble than I already have been.)" Okay Phoenix but how about praying for something realistic

Forgive me if I don't take up Phoenix's offer to sue him.

Is there any person playing this game who didn't immediately see the dagger involved in the Purification Rite as a massive red flag

How is it 2028 and newspapers are still in black and white

Phoenix: "T-Talk about a 'Kee'ra' business strategy..." Phoenix Wright is officially a dad folks

The animation of Ahlbi and Shah-do falling over is the cutest and best in the game so far.

*jangle* *jangle* more like Tenma Taro flashbacks

Phoenix is doubtful that the bells on the high priest's shoes are meant to be a "stop slacking" warning system for Maya.

Acolyte Zeh'lot. I cannot believe this game.

Phoenix: "My back is killing me!" He's such a dad

Phoenix just fucking keels over at the prospect of staying there for more than a couple minutes

"(I guess I passed out from that back pain.)" same

MAYA IS BEING ARRESTED WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE OH MY GOD

EMA IS HERE WHy is ema here what

I hate that Ema's first canonical interaction with Maya is placing her under arrest

Of course Maya is accused of killing the high priest. Of course it wasn't just some unimportant rando. It was the fucking religious authority of the land nice nice nice NICE

I love this animation of Ema where she's swaying back and forth and thinking

Okay so "Tahrust Inmee" is a pun on the phrase "trust in me" considering he's a religious leader that sounds legit and not sketchy at all

"(I never knew my back's like a ticking time bomb... I'd better take better care of it.)" WHAT A DAD

I love that Ema is a woman of science and hates how primitive this uber religious society is

WHAT A SURPRISE THE SACRED DAGGER IS THE PRESUMED MURDER WEAPON

This ominous music that plays when you talk to Rayfa at the crime scene is really lovely what the hell

Phoenix: "(How did this suddenly become a game of 'Pin the Diss on the Lawyer'?)"

Phoenix wonders aloud rhetorically who taught Rayfa to hate an entire group of people so much. Her parents, she informs him.

Acolyte Zeh'lot's first name is Puhray. Because of course it is.

The warbaa'd statue looks metal as hell, especially given its blood-soaked appearance.

PHOENIX AND APOLLO ARE BOTH AFRAID OF HEIGHTS??? Now that I think about it, they mentioned Phoenix's fear of heights in the Bridge to the Turnabout case.

I swear to the holy mother if someone says "the stairs from the Plaza of Devotion are the only way to reach the scene of the crime" again I'm going to quit the game until I figure out the inevitable other way to reach the sanctum

Why is Phoenix still introducing himself as a lawyer right off the bat like is he not aware that doing so cannot lead to anything good

I love that "character posing as if they're about to draw a weapon and instead pulling out a harmless object" has become a running gag in this franchise.

Beard guy's random pose made me chuckle.

Ema thinks Prosecutor Sahdmadhi is "the world's hardest riddle, wrapped in a flowy sash."

Another tidbit from Ema: Nahyuta has long eyelashes. What a pretty boy.

AWW Ema still refers to Klavier as a "glimmerous fop," though this time she adds "grating, bling-loving Europhile." Ouch.

Ema's ring tone isn't the Steel Samurai theme anymore, like it was in "Rise from the Ashes." I can't say I'm surprised, but I am disappointed.

"Who'd have thought you'd get caught up in something like this?" Everyone, Phoenix. Everyone.

I laughed at Phoenix requesting that Rayfa "take it down a notch or three"

I noticed this in the defendant lobby of Episode 1, but the dust floating in the light of the window in the Detention Center is fucking BEAUTIFUL

I wasn't consciously aware of this until Maya started whispering, but not only does the text speed up and slow down as a person's rate of speech changes, the beeping of the text scrolling by actually changes in volume as a person raises or lowers their voice. Nice, dev team. Nice.

I'm really interested in whatever it is about Maya being able to channel spirits that's a problem in the Kingdom of Khura'in.

I also really want Maya to channel Mia. Because I want to see Mia.

Maya: "Sorry, I guess I've outgrown that stepladder argument we always have..."
Phoenix: "I think you mean 'ladder,' Maya."
WHAT THE HELL WHAT THE FUCK CAPCOM NO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM YOU'RE BREAKING SO MANY MAJOR RULES HERE???
1. THE LADDER VS STEPLADDER ARGUMENT MUST NEVER BE ADDRESSED OUTSIDE OF OPTIONAL INVESTIGATION DIALOGUE
2. NO CHARACTER IS TOO MATURE TO DISENGAGE IN THE EPIC LADDER VS STEPLADDER BATTLE EVEN EDGEWORTH HAS AN OPINION
3. P H O E N I X  I S  T E A M  S T E P L A D D E R  A N D  M A Y A  I S  T E A M  L A D D E R WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF SHODDY WRITING IS THIS DID THEY NOT FUCKING FACT CHECK THIS I AM SO ANGRY

Those holes in the paper were pretty obviously made while the paper was folded up and I need someone to realize this immediately and not take five million years to figure it out

This is so heartwarming how Phoenix is encouraging Maya by reminding her that they've gotten out of this situation several times before.

"It's 'All Aboard the Phoenix Freedom Express!'" Now it's sad AND funny.

Rayfa's line "Bravado will not save you tomorrow, and by then, it will be too late to ask for mercy." Damn, girl. Take a pill.

I enjoy Rayfa getting defensive of her country when Phoenix says that the ransom letter technique of cutting and pasting letters into words hasn't been used much since the spread of computers and printers. Rayfa immediately assures him that Khura'in has such modern appliances, too.

Examining the bell used for summoning the guard after Maya exits the visiting room results in Rayfa jeering that she has no use for such an item. Why? Because she's the princess, and shouting orders at the guard is just as effective. I'll admit I had to laugh at that.

I legit smile every time Ahlbi shows up. I love this kid. Why are the kids in Ace Attorney always done so well?

"(I wish she'd stop insinuating that all lawyers are trash.)" Same, Phoenix.

I really enjoy the fact that Rayfa just fucking falls to the ground when Ahlbi expresses his trust in Phoenix

Phoenix is just like "ah yeah let's just leave her there for now" he really hates this girl I'm laughing

Just looking at the Tehm'pul Temple's stairs makes Phoenix's back ache. On the one hand it makes me sad to see Phoenix start to enter middle-aged territory, but on the other hand it's hilarious.

I'm not quite sure if Shah'do is serving any purpose in this game other than to add to how cute Ahlbi is. But I'm also not sure if I really care.

Phoenix says the poster at the back of the Bazaar shows a superhero, and grumbles about how all superheroes look the same regardless of their country of origin. What superhero is this poster reminding him of, exactly? It looks unfamiliar to me.

Phoenix planning on bringing home a souvenir for Trucy and the others is sweet.

I enjoy that Ahlbi is such a forceful salesboy and knows that he can mark up the price a bit.

I feel bad that examining the vegetable cart results in Phoenix buying a gratuitously large amount of food for Ahlbi, but it's also kinda sweet.

I love the fact that the only evidence Ahlbi will react to is the Attorney's Badge. Like nice someone finally appreciates me

I'm currently entertaining the notion that the escaped prisoner is the quirky guy with the beard.

Or, better yet, maybe he's the one who's been dressing up as Lady Kee'ra.

HMM, WONDER IF THIS THREE-PRONGED ARROW HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE THREE HOLES THAT WERE STABBED INTO THE LETTER

If nothing else, the fact that the first thing I notice in the High Priest's House is the bag with the Steel Samurai's face on it, even though it's underneath the text window, speaks as a testament to my level of dorkiness when it comes to this franchise.

The widow's name is Beh'leeb Inmee. I literally cannot even with Ace Attorney right now.

I love all of the Khura'inese Butterfly and Mitamah imagery around this area of the game.

Tahrust is eleven years older than Beh'leeb.

Rayfa is legitimately being respectful and graceful as hell to Beh'leeb. I'm kind of surprised, though I guess the player only gets to see her when she's in ultra tsundere mode.

Oh shit stop talking to the picture it's creeping me out

Phoenix's internal "(Sh-She's definitely speaking with him!)" is really funny to me

"Maya's friend from the States" really struck me as funny and out of nowhere. They're going all out with the direct US references this game.

The board game on the table in the High Priest's House is called "Kachu'demahl." I guess you gotta. Moreover, "each piece has a special move that can only be used once per game." I didn't expect a reference to a game that's not even out yet, but that's the exact premise behind the Z-moves that are to be introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon.

I have to laugh at the sheer rudeness of Rayfa's comment to Phoenix after he fails to recognize a spiky floor cushion: "Your ignorance astounds me. There is not a soul in Khura'in who would not recognize this." Like, give the dude who's been here for two weeks a break.

The escaped rebel's name is Datz Are'bal. I'm SO DONE WITH ACE ATTORNEY.

Oh my god the television in the High Priest's House reveals that same superhero I didn't recognize from the Bazaar. She's known as "The Plumed Punisher: Warrior of Neo Twilight Realm" and the show's theme song is a lazy rework of the Steel Samurai theme. What kind of point is this game trying to make about superhero shows...?

Oh god there's a picture of her is this going to be relevant to the plot

HA THE STEEL SAMURAI GETS A SLEEK NEW LOGO

I love that they didn't remix the Steel Samurai track. You have all of this modern orchestral and exotic instrumentation and then it's just the same fucking GBA-originating track they've used since the first game. I love it.

I'm enjoying this entire drawn-out bizarre callback that I didn't expect to get from touching the television

Rayfa is ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that the Plumed Punisher doesn't bear any kind of similarity to the Steel Samurai.

The comment about Phoenix's reflection in the golden orb ruining the orb's beauty is the final push over the edge to convince me that any name would be more suited to Rayfa than "Your Benevolence."

HMM I WONDER WHAT THESE THREE HOLES IN THE ENVELOPE MEAN FOR THIS CASE??? HMMMMMMMMM

Oh my GOD STOP PUTTING THE PICTURE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE AND PRETENDING TO BE YOUR DEAD HUSBAND

That bit actually did make me laugh because the photo lined up so perfectly with her body

I came back to the Bazaar to see if anything changed. Probably not intended to be funny, but Rayfa commanding the yak to stop licking and nuzzling her as if it could understand her made me laugh.

Also, after the above, the heel-face turn she makes from lecturing Phoenix on the importance of being respectful to yaks to yelling at the yak that she'll make a leather coat out of it later.

The brick joke of Ahlbi mentioning that the cry of the warbaa'd is scary, followed by later returning and having the bird roar like a lion and terrifying Phoenix, is priceless.

Phoenix: "(I guess they have a sewer system here in Khura'in. What am I thinking? Of course they do. That was ignorant of me...)" I love that Phoenix is trying to be aware of his ethnocentrism

Oh my gosh I love the sound when you try to move to someplace that you're already at. What a weird sound.

Back to the High Priest's House to deal with this lady, who is now swapping the funeral picture out with a terrifying demonic picture to come across as angry. Why is this funny to me.

PSYCHE-LOCKS IT'S ABOUT TIME

Please tell me we get to work out the letter before we go to court lmao

I've had to look up like seven words since starting this game and I'm pretty sure they've all been spoken by Rayfa who is fourteen

Ga'ran Palace is hella cool and the queen is such a cool character design

I love that little "(Ack...)" after Phoenix realizes he's acting so strangely

I love that Inga talks like a mobster even though he's Khura'inese

Inga (threateningly getting closer): "You want to question me?"
Phoenix: "That would be great."

I'm almost relieved they don't let me investigate this scene because I'm so ready for this investigation to be over

So...Inga's cigar is a stamp...?

I'm loving this ominous music.

Phoenix legitimately considering mouthing off to Inga but then internally being like "I can't get arrested right now" gives me life

THOSE ARE ORDERS OF EXECUTION HOLY FUCK I HATE THIS GUY THIS IS SO METAL

Phoenix crossing important corrupt legal people like Phoenix no keep a low profile

It's a nice touch that those execution orders have different text every time one flies away. Nice detail.

This conversation with Maya about learning the channeling technique and becoming the master is so cool and probably the most interesting tidbit to do with her character so far

Rayfa immediately being in awe of Maya's Plumed Punisher strap is amusing

This in-depth analysis of the Steel Samurai theme song is my favorite thing

Maya is going to pitch "The Plumed Punisher vs. The Steel Samurai" to TV stations back in America. Good luck with that, Maya.

"(Time to head back to the temple and go over everything I've learned so far.)" more like please end this investigation now I've been playing for five hours

Rayfa: "You, too, could become a man of upstanding character if you learned from his example."
Phoenix: "S-Sure... (Upstanding character? Him...?)" – I read "him?" in the same voice as Michael saying "her?" in Arrested Development

I did smile at Rayfa suggesting that the multiple visits to the detention center were to smuggle in escape tools one by one, and then to cut away at the bars little by little—using the spikes on Phoenix's head. Phoenix: "Now this is getting ridiculous..." –Now?

Presenting the Plumed Punisher strap to Rayfa results in her spitting out "Do not flaunt that strap before me!" which is out of context Ace Attorney at its best

I've never been so happy to see Ahlbi god I was expecting/hoping that I'd be paired with him for the investigation today but instead all I got was Rayfa and her day of one thousand insults why is she so rude

That fucking investigation was so long I'm going to die

Definitely feeling like the "combine two investigations and two trials into one super long investigation and one super long investigation" thing is not a good idea in practice, there's not even so much as a save point anywhere. It feels like there's no good stopping point anywhere in each of these sections that are all like several hours (this last one took me about six and a half hours according to my activity log). Not sure why they went through with this line of structure.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on September 11, 2016, 06:41:05 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 10, 2016, 11:37:53 PMThoughts for investigation of Episode 3:

The Rite of Turnabout Day 1 Investigation
The Rite of Turnabout Day 1 Investigation
I have to admit, all of this excessive religion is bugging me pretty bad, especially the way the Khura'inese people fanaticize about it like in Ahlbi's line "There's nothing better in the world than being able to pray to your heart's content!"

Phoenix's response to the above: "(I... can think of a few things I'd rather do...)" – SAME

Ahlbi getting starry-eyed over Maya is adorable and I love it.

"I get the feeling I'm in for a really long story." Did you mean starting an Ace Attorney episode.

Phoenix's idea of a respectful prayer in honor of being allowed to stay at the temple: "(May there be a slightly softer futon tonight. And may tomorrow's breakfast be a little bigger.)"

Ahlbi has the only positive reaction to the attorney's badge that I can think of off the top of my head.

Phoenix thinks there's a reason why the American attorney's badge looks like a sunflower, but he can't remember.

Phoenix planning on tipping Ahlbi extra well for his services is such a sweet moment.

"Khura'in is also known as the Land of Prayer." So Khura'in is Georgia.

"I can't wait to see Miss Maya again." Neither can I, Ahlbi.

I'm so uncomfortable and freaking out over a deeply religious Maya OH THANK GOD SHE'S JOKING

Such a snazzy little rework of the Turnabout Sisters Theme ahhhh

Phoenix: "(Now, if I were to pray for something...it'd be for me to not get dragged into any more trouble than I already have been.)" Okay Phoenix but how about praying for something realistic

Forgive me if I don't take up Phoenix's offer to sue him.

Is there any person playing this game who didn't immediately see the dagger involved in the Purification Rite as a massive red flag

How is it 2028 and newspapers are still in black and white

Phoenix: "T-Talk about a 'Kee'ra' business strategy..." Phoenix Wright is officially a dad folks

The animation of Ahlbi and Shah-do falling over is the cutest and best in the game so far.

*jangle* *jangle* more like Tenma Taro flashbacks

Phoenix is doubtful that the bells on the high priest's shoes are meant to be a "stop slacking" warning system for Maya.

Acolyte Zeh'lot. I cannot believe this game.

Phoenix: "My back is killing me!" He's such a dad

Phoenix just fucking keels over at the prospect of staying there for more than a couple minutes

"(I guess I passed out from that back pain.)" same

MAYA IS BEING ARRESTED WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE OH MY GOD

EMA IS HERE WHy is ema here what

I hate that Ema's first canonical interaction with Maya is placing her under arrest

Of course Maya is accused of killing the high priest. Of course it wasn't just some unimportant rando. It was the fucking religious authority of the land nice nice nice NICE

I love this animation of Ema where she's swaying back and forth and thinking

Okay so "Tahrust Inmee" is a pun on the phrase "trust in me" considering he's a religious leader that sounds legit and not sketchy at all

"(I never knew my back's like a ticking time bomb... I'd better take better care of it.)" WHAT A DAD

I love that Ema is a woman of science and hates how primitive this uber religious society is

WHAT A SURPRISE THE SACRED DAGGER IS THE PRESUMED MURDER WEAPON

This ominous music that plays when you talk to Rayfa at the crime scene is really lovely what the hell

Phoenix: "(How did this suddenly become a game of 'Pin the Diss on the Lawyer'?)"

Phoenix wonders aloud rhetorically who taught Rayfa to hate an entire group of people so much. Her parents, she informs him.

Acolyte Zeh'lot's first name is Puhray. Because of course it is.

The warbaa'd statue looks metal as hell, especially given its blood-soaked appearance.

PHOENIX AND APOLLO ARE BOTH AFRAID OF HEIGHTS??? Now that I think about it, they mentioned Phoenix's fear of heights in the Bridge to the Turnabout case.

I swear to the holy mother if someone says "the stairs from the Plaza of Devotion are the only way to reach the scene of the crime" again I'm going to quit the game until I figure out the inevitable other way to reach the sanctum

Why is Phoenix still introducing himself as a lawyer right off the bat like is he not aware that doing so cannot lead to anything good

I love that "character posing as if they're about to draw a weapon and instead pulling out a harmless object" has become a running gag in this franchise.

Beard guy's random pose made me chuckle.

Ema thinks Prosecutor Sahdmadhi is "the world's hardest riddle, wrapped in a flowy sash."

Another tidbit from Ema: Nahyuta has long eyelashes. What a pretty boy.

AWW Ema still refers to Klavier as a "glimmerous fop," though this time she adds "grating, bling-loving Europhile." Ouch.

Ema's ring tone isn't the Steel Samurai theme anymore, like it was in "Rise from the Ashes." I can't say I'm surprised, but I am disappointed.

"Who'd have thought you'd get caught up in something like this?" Everyone, Phoenix. Everyone.

I laughed at Phoenix requesting that Rayfa "take it down a notch or three"

I noticed this in the defendant lobby of Episode 1, but the dust floating in the light of the window in the Detention Center is fucking BEAUTIFUL

I wasn't consciously aware of this until Maya started whispering, but not only does the text speed up and slow down as a person's rate of speech changes, the beeping of the text scrolling by actually changes in volume as a person raises or lowers their voice. Nice, dev team. Nice.

I'm really interested in whatever it is about Maya being able to channel spirits that's a problem in the Kingdom of Khura'in.

I also really want Maya to channel Mia. Because I want to see Mia.

Maya: "Sorry, I guess I've outgrown that stepladder argument we always have..."
Phoenix: "I think you mean 'ladder,' Maya."
WHAT THE HELL WHAT THE FUCK CAPCOM NO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM YOU'RE BREAKING SO MANY MAJOR RULES HERE???
1. THE LADDER VS STEPLADDER ARGUMENT MUST NEVER BE ADDRESSED OUTSIDE OF OPTIONAL INVESTIGATION DIALOGUE
2. NO CHARACTER IS TOO MATURE TO DISENGAGE IN THE EPIC LADDER VS STEPLADDER BATTLE EVEN EDGEWORTH HAS AN OPINION
3. P H O E N I X  I S  T E A M  S T E P L A D D E R  A N D  M A Y A  I S  T E A M  L A D D E R WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF SHODDY WRITING IS THIS DID THEY NOT FUCKING FACT CHECK THIS I AM SO ANGRY

Those holes in the paper were pretty obviously made while the paper was folded up and I need someone to realize this immediately and not take five million years to figure it out

This is so heartwarming how Phoenix is encouraging Maya by reminding her that they've gotten out of this situation several times before.

"It's 'All Aboard the Phoenix Freedom Express!'" Now it's sad AND funny.

Rayfa's line "Bravado will not save you tomorrow, and by then, it will be too late to ask for mercy." Damn, girl. Take a pill.

I enjoy Rayfa getting defensive of her country when Phoenix says that the ransom letter technique of cutting and pasting letters into words hasn't been used much since the spread of computers and printers. Rayfa immediately assures him that Khura'in has such modern appliances, too.

Examining the bell used for summoning the guard after Maya exits the visiting room results in Rayfa jeering that she has no use for such an item. Why? Because she's the princess, and shouting orders at the guard is just as effective. I'll admit I had to laugh at that.

I legit smile every time Ahlbi shows up. I love this kid. Why are the kids in Ace Attorney always done so well?

"(I wish she'd stop insinuating that all lawyers are trash.)" Same, Phoenix.

I really enjoy the fact that Rayfa just fucking falls to the ground when Ahlbi expresses his trust in Phoenix

Phoenix is just like "ah yeah let's just leave her there for now" he really hates this girl I'm laughing

Just looking at the Tehm'pul Temple's stairs makes Phoenix's back ache. On the one hand it makes me sad to see Phoenix start to enter middle-aged territory, but on the other hand it's hilarious.

I'm not quite sure if Shah'do is serving any purpose in this game other than to add to how cute Ahlbi is. But I'm also not sure if I really care.

Phoenix says the poster at the back of the Bazaar shows a superhero, and grumbles about how all superheroes look the same regardless of their country of origin. What superhero is this poster reminding him of, exactly? It looks unfamiliar to me.

Phoenix planning on bringing home a souvenir for Trucy and the others is sweet.

I enjoy that Ahlbi is such a forceful salesboy and knows that he can mark up the price a bit.

I feel bad that examining the vegetable cart results in Phoenix buying a gratuitously large amount of food for Ahlbi, but it's also kinda sweet.

I love the fact that the only evidence Ahlbi will react to is the Attorney's Badge. Like nice someone finally appreciates me

I'm currently entertaining the notion that the escaped prisoner is the quirky guy with the beard.

Or, better yet, maybe he's the one who's been dressing up as Lady Kee'ra.

HMM, WONDER IF THIS THREE-PRONGED ARROW HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE THREE HOLES THAT WERE STABBED INTO THE LETTER

If nothing else, the fact that the first thing I notice in the High Priest's House is the bag with the Steel Samurai's face on it, even though it's underneath the text window, speaks as a testament to my level of dorkiness when it comes to this franchise.

The widow's name is Beh'leeb Inmee. I literally cannot even with Ace Attorney right now.

I love all of the Khura'inese Butterfly and Mitamah imagery around this area of the game.

Tahrust is eleven years older than Beh'leeb.

Rayfa is legitimately being respectful and graceful as hell to Beh'leeb. I'm kind of surprised, though I guess the player only gets to see her when she's in ultra tsundere mode.

Oh shit stop talking to the picture it's creeping me out

Phoenix's internal "(Sh-She's definitely speaking with him!)" is really funny to me

"Maya's friend from the States" really struck me as funny and out of nowhere. They're going all out with the direct US references this game.

The board game on the table in the High Priest's House is called "Kachu'demahl." I guess you gotta. Moreover, "each piece has a special move that can only be used once per game." I didn't expect a reference to a game that's not even out yet, but that's the exact premise behind the Z-moves that are to be introduced in Pokémon Sun and Moon.

I have to laugh at the sheer rudeness of Rayfa's comment to Phoenix after he fails to recognize a spiky floor cushion: "Your ignorance astounds me. There is not a soul in Khura'in who would not recognize this." Like, give the dude who's been here for two weeks a break.

The escaped rebel's name is Datz Are'bal. I'm SO DONE WITH ACE ATTORNEY.

Oh my god the television in the High Priest's House reveals that same superhero I didn't recognize from the Bazaar. She's known as "The Plumed Punisher: Warrior of Neo Twilight Realm" and the show's theme song is a lazy rework of the Steel Samurai theme. What kind of point is this game trying to make about superhero shows...?

Oh god there's a picture of her is this going to be relevant to the plot

HA THE STEEL SAMURAI GETS A SLEEK NEW LOGO

I love that they didn't remix the Steel Samurai track. You have all of this modern orchestral and exotic instrumentation and then it's just the same fucking GBA-originating track they've used since the first game. I love it.

I'm enjoying this entire drawn-out bizarre callback that I didn't expect to get from touching the television

Rayfa is ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that the Plumed Punisher doesn't bear any kind of similarity to the Steel Samurai.

The comment about Phoenix's reflection in the golden orb ruining the orb's beauty is the final push over the edge to convince me that any name would be more suited to Rayfa than "Your Benevolence."

HMM I WONDER WHAT THESE THREE HOLES IN THE ENVELOPE MEAN FOR THIS CASE??? HMMMMMMMMM

Oh my GOD STOP PUTTING THE PICTURE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE AND PRETENDING TO BE YOUR DEAD HUSBAND

That bit actually did make me laugh because the photo lined up so perfectly with her body

I came back to the Bazaar to see if anything changed. Probably not intended to be funny, but Rayfa commanding the yak to stop licking and nuzzling her as if it could understand her made me laugh.

Also, after the above, the heel-face turn she makes from lecturing Phoenix on the importance of being respectful to yaks to yelling at the yak that she'll make a leather coat out of it later.

The brick joke of Ahlbi mentioning that the cry of the warbaa'd is scary, followed by later returning and having the bird roar like a lion and terrifying Phoenix, is priceless.

Phoenix: "(I guess they have a sewer system here in Khura'in. What am I thinking? Of course they do. That was ignorant of me...)" I love that Phoenix is trying to be aware of his ethnocentrism

Oh my gosh I love the sound when you try to move to someplace that you're already at. What a weird sound.

Back to the High Priest's House to deal with this lady, who is now swapping the funeral picture out with a terrifying demonic picture to come across as angry. Why is this funny to me.

PSYCHE-LOCKS IT'S ABOUT TIME

Please tell me we get to work out the letter before we go to court lmao

I've had to look up like seven words since starting this game and I'm pretty sure they've all been spoken by Rayfa who is fourteen

Ga'ran Palace is hella cool and the queen is such a cool character design

I love that little "(Ack...)" after Phoenix realizes he's acting so strangely

I love that Inga talks like a mobster even though he's Khura'inese

Inga (threateningly getting closer): "You want to question me?"
Phoenix: "That would be great."

I'm almost relieved they don't let me investigate this scene because I'm so ready for this investigation to be over

So...Inga's cigar is a stamp...?

I'm loving this ominous music.

Phoenix legitimately considering mouthing off to Inga but then internally being like "I can't get arrested right now" gives me life

THOSE ARE ORDERS OF EXECUTION HOLY FUCK I HATE THIS GUY THIS IS SO METAL

Phoenix crossing important corrupt legal people like Phoenix no keep a low profile

It's a nice touch that those execution orders have different text every time one flies away. Nice detail.

This conversation with Maya about learning the channeling technique and becoming the master is so cool and probably the most interesting tidbit to do with her character so far

Rayfa immediately being in awe of Maya's Plumed Punisher strap is amusing

This in-depth analysis of the Steel Samurai theme song is my favorite thing

Maya is going to pitch "The Plumed Punisher vs. The Steel Samurai" to TV stations back in America. Good luck with that, Maya.

"(Time to head back to the temple and go over everything I've learned so far.)" more like please end this investigation now I've been playing for five hours

Rayfa: "You, too, could become a man of upstanding character if you learned from his example."
Phoenix: "S-Sure... (Upstanding character? Him...?)" – I read "him?" in the same voice as Michael saying "her?" in Arrested Development

I did smile at Rayfa suggesting that the multiple visits to the detention center were to smuggle in escape tools one by one, and then to cut away at the bars little by little—using the spikes on Phoenix's head. Phoenix: "Now this is getting ridiculous..." –Now?

Presenting the Plumed Punisher strap to Rayfa results in her spitting out "Do not flaunt that strap before me!" which is out of context Ace Attorney at its best

I've never been so happy to see Ahlbi god I was expecting/hoping that I'd be paired with him for the investigation today but instead all I got was Rayfa and her day of one thousand insults why is she so rude

That fucking investigation was so long I'm going to die

Definitely feeling like the "combine two investigations and two trials into one super long investigation and one super long investigation" thing is not a good idea in practice, there's not even so much as a save point anywhere. It feels like there's no good stopping point anywhere in each of these sections that are all like several hours (this last one took me about six and a half hours according to my activity log). Not sure why they went through with this line of structure.
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FYI Case 3 has two investigations and two trial sections.

My thoughts on it, after completing it:

The Rite of Turnabout
This case started off a bit meh but ended up really good and emotional in the end.

Laughed my ass off when Maya channeled Tarust.

Really love the difficulty of this case especially; makes up for the complete lack of challenge in DD. The Divination Séances were hard but clever.

Glad to see the epic Revisualization sequence again, though it's not as great as Case 2's, in my opinion.

Seriously, spiky decorative objects seem to be the weapons in quite a few murders. See 1-3 and 1-5.

Also, the names make me laugh:

Tarust Inmee
Beh'leeb Inmee
Puh'ray Zeh'lot
Datz Are'bal
Reehl Neh'mu (lol)
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I've heard a few reviewers say that Case 4 is the weakest link of the game, but if I get to hear Athena's awesome remixed objection theme, how bad can it be?
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 12, 2016, 01:30:17 PM
Thoughts for the second part of Episode 3:
The Rite of Turnabout Day 1 Trial
The Rite of Turnabout Day 1 Trial

I still love the Khura'in court aesthetic. This sitar track that plays when trial starts up is so ominous and foreboding, I'm such a fan.

"In addition to being the accused, she is also my assistant" I love this

The prosecution's opening statement amounts to "I promise I will send both the defendant and defense directly to hell" this court is so goddam metal

The Judge's reaction: "Excellent, good job"

Phoenix's actual response to "go to hell": "I think I'll pass"

Maya's punishment in hell will be to be tickled for 500 million years. Yikes.

Phoenix would assume the worst form of hell would be the Hell of Back Pain.

The mist rising around the witness stand is a really cool aesthetic

The Judge and gallery start chanting that Phoenix is "pohlkunan," or, as Maya translates, "a real piece of work."

I adore the music that plays over the Divination Séance and Insight sequences. It makes it so much creepier.

This is a really tough Divination Séance. I know that the Incense is what's related to the solution but I can't figure out how.

I love this gameplay mechanic. It's so damn clever.

Phoenix, on Rayfa's special "refining a sensation" ability: "(Why have we never done this before?!)" Because that's not convenient for the plot, Phoenix. Come on.

"Never thinking ahead, you cling to the first insignificant contradiction you can muster." Damn Rayfa why you calling me out like this

I love that our entire understanding of the Insights has been turned completely around in the first part of the trial.

It's so satisfying to simultaneously shock the Judge, Rayfa, and Nahyuta.

Rayfa makes a considerably less dramatic exit this time, which actually sort of makes me feel bad for her.

I like that the Khura'inese Judge says "peace" instead of "order" when the crowd goes wild.

I also like the gavel sound in Khura'in better than the one in America.

I really enjoy that this case is steeped in Phoenix having to be accused of mocking the Khura'inist religion. It gives it a sort of tense edge.

Nahyuta thinks Phoenix's claims that the high priest could have been a rebel are no better than spitting on the Holy Mother.

Phoenix: "(Ugh... Please don't let this turn into an international incident...)" @Edgeworth

Nice alliteration in "...An eyewitness who will deliver a definitive answer that will dispel the defense's doubts."

Oh FUCK not THIS GUY

This guy's animations are really amusing and he reminds me of Mike Meekins for some reason

"A'nohn Ihmus TBD" oh boy here we go

I love the intense string tremolo before the testimony starts in Khura'in. Nice touch there

I keep reading Ihmus's voice in the same voice that Kimmy's stepdad uses in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (the doofus police officer dude)

I love that the Weather Forecast in the newspaper refers to the day as having "excellent prayer weather."

I wish I could get butterflies to land on my hands like Nahyuta does.

Apollo is a red pepper, and now Phoenix is...a sea urchin. Nice. Nahyuta goes on to say that the sea urchin Phoenix will become is doomed to live a brief life and be "brutally devoured by a sea otter."

Phoenix's eyes rolling back into his head after he gives his shocked animation is really quite funny.

Phoenix: "(O Holy Mother, why do I only get the annoying ones...?)" I don't know, Phoenix. I really don't know.

I love the update to Phoenix's sweating animation in this game. It's so perfect.

Ihmus's intense "Har har har har har!" laughing is actually kind of winning me over, he's such a cheerful wacky guy.

Phoenix's judgment on Igmus is that he's "sketchy as heck," which is pretty accurate.

When Ihmus does the random pose with the serpent-type arms, I love that he makes it look like the snake is opening its mouth.

I'm down to one Mitamah on this testimony. Though to be fair, the last time I lost one was because I tried to present the right part of the vision but it registered as a different place.

Officially got a game over here. I just killed Phoenix. Nice.

Okay, I am SERIOUSLY irritated. I got a game over because I presented the ritual curtain on the statement "I saw the accused stab the head priest" because I was like "ah yeah the curtain was blocking the outside." Now I find out that the correct thing is to present the curtain where he initially says "I used my binoculars to spy on the rite." This game is so weirdly obtuse, even for an Ace Attorney game.

Second belly laugh of the game: Ihmus admitting that he "didn't actually see the accused herself" just after blatantly testifying that he saw Maya stab the high priest

The localization department is killing it with these alliterative statements. "My main man Mr. Magistry" is also gold

This may be the most hilariously unreliable witness we've seen since Larry Butz. When the witness claims he wasn't at the inner sanctum, Phoenix questions "Then, what about those silhouettes you claim to have seen?" Ihmus's response: "I'm starting to think I've been imagining things!" Oh boy.

I let out a little "Aww!" at Maya's "Rah, rah, siss boom bah! Fight, fight, Phoenix Wright!"

Also adorable is Maya getting into an argument from a woman in the gallery who doubts the trustworthiness of Phoenix.

Nahyuta informing Phoenix that he's accrued 200 million extra years in hell is so hilariously harsh that I'm kind of glad Phoenix recognizes Khura'inism as stupidly strict

Maya: "Sure, what's another 200 million, give or take."

The gallery chanting "LAWYERS ARE SCARY" is so Ace Attorney. That's all I have to say about that.

Phoenix: "(There may be some bad apples, but we're not all like that, you know!)" #NotAllLawyers

This man's testimony has gone from "I climbed a nearby mountain to watch the rite" to "I was enjoying a trek through the night sky with my homemade paraglider." I don't know how this isn't some form of perjury.

If Ihmus lies again, Nahyuta will send him to the Hell of Hangnails, where he'll have hangnails grown and ripped out for 800 million years. Yikes.

Clever about presenting the weather report to contradict claiming the wind was blowing. I feel pretty accomplished.

Maya: "That saying is pretty cool, but I've never heard it"
Phoenix: "yeah I just made that up lmfao"

I like how Are'bal's pose goes from stupid to threatening so fast.

HE LITERALLY SAYS IT WAS ALL A BLATANT LIE I HATE THIS GUY

NAHYUTA IS A FORMER REBEL??? YIKES

Phoenix: "(What was the point of all that, anyway?")
Judge: "Well, I can't help but feel that entire episode was an enormous waste of time."
I agree with both of them unfortunately

I find it kind of funny that Nahyuta calls out Phoenix on not bothering to learn basic Khura'inese before coming to Khura'in.

Phoenix internally letting off a "damn it!" is really jarring; he doesn't usually swear.

Great I fucking killed them

"If Ms. Fey is indeed a serial killer" oh my god ace attorney why

I bet the victim is Puhray Zeh'lot based on his lack of character model yet still being named

Finally a section of acceptable length nice
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on September 12, 2016, 01:54:53 PM
I've finished Case 4, and am partway through the investigation of Case 5, Day 1 (which is really really long, even longer than every other section so far).

My thoughts on Case 4:

Case 4 Spoilers
No clue what was going on in the intro when I saw it (though in retrospect, IIRC, it was probably Uendo and his personalities speaking)

omg Blackquill is back

For defendants so far, we've had: Alhbi (cute little kid), Trucy (cute magician), Maya (cute spirit medium who always gets accused of murder), and now... this...

Unlike Slow, I've felt that the game so far has been pretty straightforward and obvious as to what you present where, but not so much in this case.

Holy shit it took me so long to realize that the autopsy report contradicted Uendo's testimony

HELL YEAH REMIXED ATHENA OBJECTION THEME

The rest of the case was pretty straightforward, although the part with the camels and the saké felt kind of like a leap in logic to me (seriously, I was supposed to present the camel paper message?)

Geiru's "balloons" hehe
(not surprised that they actually turned out to be real balloons...)

tbh I'd probably be annoyed at split personalities, but it actually came out pretty well (just as how the twins reveal in Case 2 didn't piss me off as a sudden twins reveal normally would...)

Wow, how convenient that OWEN 4TH and WHET NO4 are anagrams

Geiru's true form is IMO one of the better ones in series (better than, like, Andistan'dhin at least)

Felt like kind of an underwhelming Revisualization sequence to me, since it was pretty obvious at that point that the murder weapon was udon dough. I liked how Geiru tried to get rid of the weapon by feeding the food to her dog, though Blackquill's statement didn't even include that info, so how would we know to present it? Like, true, Blackquill witnessed it, but at least put it in the Court Record. (Then again, I guess it might have gave it away...)

What I think they should have done instead was put the method of disposing the murder weapon as part of the Revisualization sequence, giving a more total OH SHIT GOTCHA moment and not having to present Blackquill's statement when the info isn't actually there in the Court Record

rip balloons

I didn't actually think this case was as bad as the reviewers made it out to be; I liked it more than Case 1, to be sure, although in all honesty, it wasn't that much better. The case itself feels out of place in the game so far, with none of the high-stakes pressure that you've been facing in the previous 3 cases. Coupled with an unlikeable defendant, and it almost feels like there's no obligation to even win the trial. I'm hoping that this case will be relevant to the overarching story, but in all honesty I'm not sure how it would be.
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Case 5 is shaping up to be very promising so far, even though the investigation is taking hours so far and

very minor spoilers for Case 5
we don't even have a client yet. EDIT: A murder client, specifically, because I guess Dhurke is my client now...
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WOAH I JUST FINISHED THE FIRST INVESTIGATION SECTION AND THIS CASE IS AWESOME SO FAR

EDIT: I'm totally calling it...

Case 5 Day 2 Investigation
I'm totally calling that Rayfa, not Nahyuta, is the baby in the picture with Amara.
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EDIT AGAIN:

Just finished the game...

This might actually be my favorite game in the series. The quality of the case-writing is the same as T&T (although Case 4 had a few parts I wish were different), but with all the visual updates, quality-of-life changes, and the fact that Apollo (perhaps my favorite character in the series) gets the spotlight, I think this beats out T&T by quite a bit.

The plot twist that

Case 5 Day 2 Trial
Dhurke was actually dead was IMO perhaps the best plot twist in the whole series. As I looked through the evidence to counter Amara's testimony and I saw Dhurke's bloodstain, it hit me like a truck... and I knew I was in for some serious shit.
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Case 2 of SoJ is actually my second-favorite case in the series now, behind Case 5 of T&T.

Also, one more thing...

Case 5 Day 2 Trial
I TOTALLY

CALLED

THAT SHIT

*see previous spoiler
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on September 24, 2016, 05:15:30 AM
can someone do me a favor and tell me how the hell i get the dlc for this

like my menu screen does not have an "extras and dlc" option and i cant seem to find it on eshop

plzthxbai
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on September 24, 2016, 10:07:03 AM
Quote from: Altissimo on September 24, 2016, 05:15:30 AMcan someone do me a favor and tell me how the hell i get the dlc for this

like my menu screen does not have an "extras and dlc" option and i cant seem to find it on eshop

plzthxbai

Have you started the story yet? The Extras and DLC option should show up.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 24, 2016, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: Altissimo on September 24, 2016, 05:15:30 AMcan someone do me a favor and tell me how the hell i get the dlc for this

like my menu screen does not have an "extras and dlc" option and i cant seem to find it on eshop

plzthxbai

Haha it's in the manual. You need to have started episode 1 before you can get the DLC.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on September 24, 2016, 04:21:15 PM
cool thanks!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 24, 2016, 04:26:52 PM
Speaking of which, I'm nearly done with the game. I have 62+ hours and I'm still not done. Thank you so much Capcom for giving us so much new game 👍🏻
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 25, 2016, 08:49:59 AM
I thought I was going to finish the game last night but I hit another save point. How long is this game does it even have an end
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on September 25, 2016, 12:15:02 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 25, 2016, 08:49:59 AMI thought I was going to finish the game last night but I hit another save point. How long is this game does it even have an end

Yeah, Case 5 is super long. Like, 1-5/3-5 long, probably longer, even.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 25, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
Finished the game. 67 hours well-spent.

Don't read until you finish
Initially I was kind of saddened by the decision the writers made to keep Apollo in Khura'in, but it was made much better by the cameo of Lamiroir during which she and Phoenix agree that it's time to tell Trucy and Apollo about their family. That's been a hanging issue over this entire game (really over Dual Destinies as well) so I'm glad they're finally taking care of that uncomfortable loose end, even if they weren't nearly as conclusive as they could and should have been. I loved the case, and this represents a major step in the right direction after Dual Destinies, which for all the things it does right gives the impression of an "ace attorney greatest hits" album. No such issue can be found with this game.

As to issues with the game, my biggest problems are both with Episode 4: the truly awful and ignorant misrepresentation of Dissociative Identity Disorder, as well as the truly outdated sexism jokes--about Athena being called a baby bird and treated as stupid or incompetent for being female, and about Geiru's breasts being the source of a lot of jokes, whether the joke is her bouncing them around or the classic and always-hilarious "men love boobs" punchline used with the judge--these issues seem taken straight from a 2001 perception of social rights and put a decidedly sour and cringe-worthy spin on an otherwise enjoyable case. Although it's implied that the sexism is inappropriate, it's basically treated as a punchline and isn't really resolved. I could forgive Mia's cases for similar issues because they were created in 2004 when feminism hadn't become such a major movement, there really is no excuse for a game created in 2016 to have this kind of thing.

Besides the fourth case's missteps, this game was also just plain too long in places, particularly in the third case, whose premise was neither interesting nor clever enough to keep me truly interested until the end, when the rather ingenious final trial almost makes up for the irrelevant and tedious slog that came before it. This was the only part of the game when I felt I was forcing myself to continue without really wanting to. In addition, the lack of save points in this incredibly dense game really was a detriment--if a trial is lasting for five hours and there's no good place to stop in the middle, it can make for a very confusing and grueling time. Oddly, the only episode that used save points effectively was the second half of the fifth one, where the investigation and trial are both split into three nicely-sized chapters.

And need I even talk about Maya? Though I'm glad the writers didn't rely on fanservice to make a compelling plot, this is one area that would definitely have benefited from rethinking. We never really get a proper Maya/Phoenix interaction outside of some cute trial assistance in episode 3, because the game frustratingly delegates her to damsel in distress in another lazy and mildly sexist move. Maya being the defendant again just sort of elicited a disappointed sigh, but blatantly using the kidnapping plot from 2-4 was a downright groan. It worked for the plot, and I didn't mind so much because of the way it was justified, but they really needed to give Maya a better and bigger role here. She doesn't deserve this kind of character writing, especially after how pleasing and enjoyable her treatment was in the Professor Layton game of all things.

Overall, it's a solid game, definitely the best since Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney and perhaps even surpassing that. I'd give it a solid 9.0/10.
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I'll talk more about the game at some point.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on September 25, 2016, 03:48:54 PM
How does it stand compared to the other games in the series, both in terms of story and difficulty?
I haven't had a chance to play it yet.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 25, 2016, 03:54:56 PM
Terms of story, it's the best game since AJAA and maybe even surpasses that. Certainly leagues ahead of Dual Destinies. It's also the most difficult game in the franchise, which was really satisfying. I got legitimately stuck two or three times. The problem is that this is a bigger issue now: knowing what to prove, but not knowing exactly how to prove it. There are legitimately several times when multiple ways SHOULD work, but only one does.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Maelstrom on September 25, 2016, 04:56:26 PM
Ehhh, I think we always disagreed on how good AJ actually was, but, if it's on the same level as T&T and Investigations 2, and it's challenging to boot, I will definitely need to pick this up.

And lol at IGN giving it a 6.6
They seriously hate VNs.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 25, 2016, 05:34:27 PM
IGN is hilariously incompetent and not to be taken seriously
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on September 26, 2016, 02:27:30 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 25, 2016, 03:41:00 PMFinished the game. 67 hours well-spent.

Don't read until you finish
Initially I was kind of saddened by the decision the writers made to keep Apollo in Khura'in, but it was made much better by the cameo of Lamiroir during which she and Phoenix agree that it's time to tell Trucy and Apollo about their family. That's been a hanging issue over this entire game (really over Dual Destinies as well) so I'm glad they're finally taking care of that uncomfortable loose end, even if they weren't nearly as conclusive as they could and should have been. I loved the case, and this represents a major step in the right direction after Dual Destinies, which for all the things it does right gives the impression of an "ace attorney greatest hits" album. No such issue can be found with this game.

As to issues with the game, my biggest problems are both with Episode 4: the truly awful and ignorant misrepresentation of Dissociative Identity Disorder, as well as the truly outdated sexism jokes--about Athena being called a baby bird and treated as stupid or incompetent for being female, and about Geiru's breasts being the source of a lot of jokes, whether the joke is her bouncing them around or the classic and always-hilarious "men love boobs" punchline used with the judge--these issues seem taken straight from a 2001 perception of social rights and put a decidedly sour and cringe-worthy spin on an otherwise enjoyable case. Although it's implied that the sexism is inappropriate, it's basically treated as a punchline and isn't really resolved. I could forgive Mia's cases for similar issues because they were created in 2004 when feminism hadn't become such a major movement, there really is no excuse for a game created in 2016 to have this kind of thing.

Besides the fourth case's missteps, this game was also just plain too long in places, particularly in the third case, whose premise was neither interesting nor clever enough to keep me truly interested until the end, when the rather ingenious final trial almost makes up for the irrelevant and tedious slog that came before it. This was the only part of the game when I felt I was forcing myself to continue without really wanting to. In addition, the lack of save points in this incredibly dense game really was a detriment--if a trial is lasting for five hours and there's no good place to stop in the middle, it can make for a very confusing and grueling time. Oddly, the only episode that used save points effectively was the second half of the fifth one, where the investigation and trial are both split into three nicely-sized chapters.

And need I even talk about Maya? Though I'm glad the writers didn't rely on fanservice to make a compelling plot, this is one area that would definitely have benefited from rethinking. We never really get a proper Maya/Phoenix interaction outside of some cute trial assistance in episode 3, because the game frustratingly delegates her to damsel in distress in another lazy and mildly sexist move. Maya being the defendant again just sort of elicited a disappointed sigh, but blatantly using the kidnapping plot from 2-4 was a downright groan. It worked for the plot, and I didn't mind so much because of the way it was justified, but they really needed to give Maya a better and bigger role here. She doesn't deserve this kind of character writing, especially after how pleasing and enjoyable her treatment was in the Professor Layton game of all things.

Overall, it's a solid game, definitely the best since Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney and perhaps even surpassing that. I'd give it a solid 9.0/10.
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I'll talk more about the game at some point.

In my opinion, this game is a lot easier than T&T. I will admit that the game is not easy; it's just that T&T was so hard that nothing really seems to come close. It's probably the second-hardest game in the series, but there's a pretty wide gap between this and T&T.

IMO it's also the best game in the series. T&T was awesome, but it was made a bit worse with the difficulty sometimes bordering on insanity (looking at you, 3-3 investigation), and some crazy bullshit logic moments (looking at you, 3-5, as much as I love you). SoJ doesn't really have any of that, not from I can recall.

My responses to some of Slow's comments:

Full Game Spoilers
I'm also bothered by the DID thing in Case 4, but I think you're over-exaggerating the sexism thing a bit much. I don't think any of the criticism towards Athena was related to her gender at all; the comments of "baby bird" and making a point of her incompetence were due to her lack of experience as a lawyer. Granted, it did bother me a bit much how incapable they made Athena seem, but it didn't seem to me like anything you said.

I can see where you're coming from with the sexism about Geiru; I personally didn't think it was that bad myself because there are women out there who get breast implants and the like to look more "appealing." She was the one character with this trait about her; if it were most of the characters, it'd be a problem for me as well, but that's not really the case here. (Well, I guess there is that close-up shot of Ga'ran in Case 5...)

I actually enjoyed Case 3 greatly and didn't think it was too long in the slightest. I really enjoyed the twists and the investigations as well. Admittedly, it was a bit predictable, but that didn't stop it from being a great case in my eyes. From what I've seen in other communities, this case is really a love-or-hate kind of thing.

Sure, maybe you thought Maya didn't play much a role, but I think it was fine. Consider this: if Maya had been given a bigger role, then someone else's screen time would likely have to be shortened or less developed. I loved every single bit of Apollo's development, and they had to put Athena somewhere, so where else would Maya go? Sure, they could change the cases up to accommodate that, but I love the cases as they are now. I suppose the kidnapping again is kinda meh, but they still changed it up from last time, too.

My main complaints go to Case 4 (though not necessarily to the parts you mentioned); the case felt a bit uninteresting at points, the murder and its execution weren't terribly creative, and there were plenty of logic leaps while trying to solve the case. Plus, the stakes were high in Cases 1, 2, 3, and later 5, too, but Case 4 feels a bit out of place when you don't really feel inclined to like the defendant at all. It seems that the case was meant for comic relief, but it didn't succeed terribly well in that department.
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Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 01, 2016, 10:55:21 AM
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney arrives on iOS devices today in glorious HD! Check it out if you've yet to experience it or feel like revisiting. Android users can download the game starting next Thursday, December 8.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 01, 2016, 01:30:05 PM
I don't get why the app itself is 99 cents when you have to buy all the cases seperately anyway
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 01, 2016, 04:57:01 PM
Idk it's $.99 for the first half of case 1 and then the rest of the game is $14.99 if you buy it as a set
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 01, 2016, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on December 01, 2016, 04:57:01 PMIdk it's $.99 for the first half of case 1 and then the rest of the game is $14.99 if you buy it as a set

I feel like that's kind of a shitty business thing to do. I think they should do exactly what they do with the other Ace Attorney games on mobile and have the initial download be free with $15 for the rest of the game.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on December 04, 2016, 01:11:53 PM
Quote from: shadowkirby on December 01, 2016, 07:29:54 PMI feel like that's kind of a shitty business thing to do. I think they should do exactly what they do with the other Ace Attorney games on mobile and have the initial download be free with $15 for the rest of the game.

To be fair, Apollo Justice only has four episodes, and the first episode is about as long as the first two of the trilogy together, so that would be giving away a pretty significant amount of content for free. But I understand why you feel that way and I hope it doesn't turn people off.

Also, I've played through the first half of episode 1 and decided that the game looked and played nicely enough to warrant purchasing the rest of it. It's so shiny. It's honestly a much better looking upscale than the iOS version of the trilogy, and also doesn't have the weird frame rate/lag issue that was occasionally a problem in that port. Definitely recommend checking it out if you haven't played Apollo Justice in a while and want to play it without the weird mixing of new and old sprites (I was always so distracted by how good the new sprites looked in comparison to others like the Judge or some of the sprites in episode 4). I personally haven't played Apollo Justice all the way through in about three years, so it's probably the Ace Attorney I'm most rusty on. Here's hoping I have a fun time!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 04, 2016, 11:15:41 PM
I do plan on getting it either way. Apollo is my favorite playable attorney, after all.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: TheDreamingHawk on March 15, 2017, 08:19:10 AM
Finished Justice For all two weeks ago during my odd depression phase (had to use a guide for the final day due to a spoiler reason that confused me at first) and was really surprised how much the plot ramped up near the end, considering how the earlier chapters were just "ordinary crime stories" to me. Now onto the third game and hoping to not take a year to beat this one. I also bought AA5 on sale in preparation for when I beat AA3.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on March 15, 2017, 08:36:20 AM
^if you have a smart phone, an HD remake of AA4 is currently available and I'd recommend playing it before jumping into 5 as there's a big time skip between 3 and 4 (4, 5, 6 kinda make up their own trilogy)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Onionleaf on April 13, 2017, 01:41:16 AM
I saw this a few days ago and thought it was amazing! A combination of Ace Attorney drama & humour + musical + cosplay = success. :)

Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 09, 2017, 07:15:22 AM
Apollo Justice is being released on 3DS eShop this November! It's the updated iOS graphics which quite frankly look amazing.

I'm going to get the game again, so that I have the entire series downloaded to my 3DS.
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Altissimo on August 09, 2017, 01:13:37 PM
SAME
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: K-NiGhT on August 09, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Did anyone else see that special edition that Capcom is releasing that's like 1300 dollars? The only reason it costs so much is because of the tiny solid gold plate you get. Without that plate, it's 145 dollars. That much gold is literally only like 240 dollars. They're charging 4 times the price for it tho.

The bundle without the gold plate comes with Ace Attorney 1-6 Collection games, a collection of exclusive art, a soundtrack CD, and "an autographed image of Phoenix Wright himself."
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 11, 2017, 08:08:45 AM
I changed my Tumblr URL for  the first time since I got Tumblr.

The reason this is here is because my new URL is apollo-injustice
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: triforced1 on August 21, 2017, 07:47:03 AM
I just recently finished the trilogy and holy shit

I need more

MOOOOOOORE
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 21, 2017, 09:17:17 AM
HA

Apollo Justice, basically AA4, is coming to the eShop this fall with nice new graphics, or you can play the iOS version if you like
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Onionleaf on August 26, 2017, 09:34:33 PM
I've almost completed Dual Destinies and can't seem to figure out if the games are becoming progressively easier and shorter, or if it's because I'm becoming a more seasoned attorney (hopefully it's the latter!) ::)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 27, 2017, 07:42:07 AM
Dual Destinies is actually my least favorite game in the series, partly because of its lack of difficulty (especially when compared to T&T). Wait until Spirit of Justice and you might get your ass kicked again ;)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on August 27, 2017, 08:28:13 AM
Dual Destinies is hilariously easy, haha. Not that any of the games are terribly hard, but there's no semblance of challenge at all in Dual Destinies.

Like I said before, make sure you buy the DLC episode!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Onionleaf on September 01, 2017, 02:19:18 AM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 27, 2017, 07:42:07 AMWait until Spirit of Justice and you might get your ass kicked again ;)

Lol! I'll admit that I look forward to this ;D

Quote from: SlowPokemon on August 27, 2017, 08:28:13 AMLike I said before, make sure you buy the DLC episode!

Already have, glad to hear that it won't disappoint!
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: Trasdegi on September 06, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
"Capcom has confirmed a notable presence for Ace Attorney at this year's Tokyo Game Show. A panel will be held on September 22, lasting roughly 40 minutes. Ace Attorney series producer Motohide Eshiro and game designer Shinsuke Kodama will be present."

HYPE


Source (https://nintendoeverything.com/capcom-hosting-unmissable-ace-attorney-panel-at-tgs-2018/)
Title: Re: Ace Attorney
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 06, 2018, 12:21:52 PM
May the Holy Mother bless this day