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Title: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on October 02, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
Yes, no?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 02, 2013, 01:27:45 PM
A tentative yes, but if the rules are stupid or boring I won't take part.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: MaestroUGC on October 02, 2013, 01:29:32 PM
It should be like the other ones, you'll just have to rework a piece into a new style or something of the sort.

We'll also have a much clearer guidelines for judging and such.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Sebastian on October 02, 2013, 03:15:16 PM
What do you do?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on October 02, 2013, 04:28:35 PM
I'm listening... Wait, number 4? We've done this before?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: InsigTurtle on October 02, 2013, 09:51:56 PM
I'd be interested, but I'd like to know the rules of the contest a bit more first.
YOU KNOW THE RULES, AND SO DO I~♫
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: FireArrow on October 02, 2013, 09:56:15 PM
I think we should finish the composition competition first. :/
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on October 02, 2013, 10:20:23 PM
Quote from: mariolegofan on October 02, 2013, 03:15:16 PMWhat do you do?
I'm not sure, but I don't think it involves arranging!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on October 03, 2013, 06:05:42 AM
Wow, I'm surprised how many people don't know what this is xD

I'd totally be down for this again, but it'd probably mean putting the musical showdown and community orchestra on hold.

Quote from: SlowPokemon on October 02, 2013, 01:27:45 PMA tentative yes, but if the rules are stupid or boring I won't take part.

You should remember how things were, slow. For everyone else, check the last few pages in this forum and review number 2 as an example(as it was the most successful one)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: MaestroUGC on October 03, 2013, 11:16:28 AM
This contest and the Community Orchestra are not mutually exclusive, as the latter is pretty much all on me and I have loads of creative energy to balance 16 projects at once.

Well, I think Olimar and I will be spear-heading this so we'll come up with the rules and grading rubric we will be using. We'll also be looking for judges and such.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on October 03, 2013, 01:32:48 PM
Oh wow. This involves the whole orchestration bit. I'm totes in!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: MaestroUGC on November 06, 2013, 01:21:53 PM
I was reading the old brainstorming thread for this and I saw the idea of pairing up people to make an arrangement was thrown out there. I think this would be a great opportunity to teach some less experienced people about arranging and orchestrating without fear of being pitted aginst people who have much more experience and training.

i.e. We pair up an acknowledged, experienced arranger here with someone who new to this world or who lacks training and have them provide an entry for this contest. This could be optional for contestants, but this would mean that we'd need more experienced people than less playing, however.

That being said start brainstorming ideas for this, if you want to play. Let's try to get creative with this one, guys.

Past contests:
1) Invert the Mood
2) Waltz-ify
3) Going Solo

We'll create the juging rubrics based on what the contest ends up being, but for the most part things like Orchestration and Preservation will mostly be the same from previous contests, as those really are the only constants we can have in these contests.

I want to aim having this all ready to go by Thanksgiving and having the actual contests over Winter Break.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 03:35:30 PM
How about we sad-ify something? Take something generally not sad and sadify it.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: dahans on November 06, 2013, 03:52:04 PM
As a former winner of this contest, I will definitely take part again :D
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: FireArrow on November 06, 2013, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 03:35:30 PMHow about we sad-ify something? Take something generally not sad and sadify it.

Ooh, that actually sounds like a really awesome idea!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 03:35:30 PMHow about we sad-ify something? Take something generally not sad and sadify it.
I do it on the piano all the time. It's really fun and is really cool. I sadified the Zelda theme on the spot in front of my friends. They loved it. :P
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: SlowPokemon on November 06, 2013, 06:38:52 PM
Arrangement contest 4: Sadification
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 10:38:19 PM
Looks good to me. :P What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 10:52:08 PM
Meh, idk. It seems like I could "sadify" a tune by simply lowering the tempo and changing a few chord qualities d:
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 10:55:23 PM
Mind you you'll also have to be judged on instrument choices, modulations, fills, etc. It can be plenty sophisticated if you dig deep enough.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 10:56:36 PM
As could any theme, really.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 10:57:13 PM
Exactly! So why not?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 11:00:10 PM
It just seems too similar to the mood inverse one we did, but now there's less creativity. :P

What if we arranged a tune to sound like it was in a different game?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 11:08:14 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 11:00:10 PMWhat if we arranged a tune to sound like it was in a different game?
Example?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: MaestroUGC on November 06, 2013, 11:08:51 PM
Sadification is an option, let's get a few more going.

Personally I agree with Olimar that it doesn't take too much to sad-ify a piece. However, it's takes a great deal of talent to make an already sad piece even more depressing...
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 11:10:49 PM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 11:08:14 PMExample?

idk like make a mario overworld sound like a zelda overworld.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: MaestroUGC on November 06, 2013, 11:11:54 PM
That seems like it'd be more subjective than we can judge.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
possibly, but hey, its just an idea. I'll think of something better eventually :P
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 11:18:46 PM
Quote from: MaestroUGC on November 06, 2013, 11:08:51 PMHowever, it's takes a great deal of talent to make an already sad piece even more depressing...
That would be hard. But possible. I like the sound of that actually. (Pardon the pun!)

Quote from: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 11:10:49 PMidk like make a mario overworld sound like a zelda overworld.
I think Maestro's right here. The style difference would have to be big. For example, you can't make a Mario overworld into a Pokémon route theme. There's too much variety in the Pokémon routes. I think Mario/Zelda is really the only contrast big enough without going into the much smaller games such as Double Dragon and such.

I personally like Maestro's idea better.

Quote from: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 11:13:36 PMpossibly, but hey, its just an idea. I'll think of something better eventually :P
Sounds like a plan. ;)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 11:21:32 PM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 11:18:46 PMFor example, you can't make a Mario overworld into a Pokémon route theme. There's too much variety in the Pokémon routes.

I bet if you tried hard enough you could. I could hear it!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 11:27:39 PM
Quote from: JDMEK5 on November 06, 2013, 11:18:46 PMFor example, you can't make a Mario overworld into a Pokémon route theme. There's too much variety in the Pokémon routes.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on November 06, 2013, 11:21:32 PMI bet if you tried hard enough you could. I could hear it!
Maybe a route that sounds like a Zelda theme.. :P
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: FireArrow on November 06, 2013, 11:32:02 PM
arrange it into a fugue

Quote from: MaestroUGC on November 06, 2013, 11:11:54 PMThat seems like it'd be more subjective than we can judge.

I don't know, some games have a handful of songs that follow the exact same form, so if we cut out the outliers we may be able to make it much less of a subjective opinion.

Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjg751mFozI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjg751mFozI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-sVQlCoDI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz-sVQlCoDI)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: insaneintherain on December 29, 2013, 12:55:13 PM
...Bump. I like this idea. Sadification!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Clanker37 on December 30, 2013, 03:03:14 AM
Didn't we already sadify? Anyways, this is cool. Please do.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 13, 2014, 07:42:20 AM
Bomp. Anyone interested in trying this again? Rereading through the other contests reminded me how fun it was :J
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Maelstrom on September 13, 2014, 08:05:40 AM
Maybe. Is it more of an arrangement, or a remix?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Sebastian on September 13, 2014, 11:06:49 AM
I'm interested :)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 13, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Quote from: maelstrom. on September 13, 2014, 08:05:40 AMMaybe. Is it more of an arrangement, or a remix?

Arrangement.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 13, 2014, 11:27:23 AM
Hence the title of the thread.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 13, 2014, 11:27:42 AM
Interested. As long as we don't do for a solo instrument this time -_-
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: braix on September 13, 2014, 01:03:51 PM
I might try(?)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on September 13, 2014, 11:27:42 AMInterested. As long as we don't do for a solo instrument this time -_-

I doubt we'll reuse a previous theme, not to mention that you didn't even partake in the solo contest...

As for the theme of this one, sadification seemed to be the way we were going. What does everyone think? Would this be a "go," or shall be brainstorm some more?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: FireArrow on September 14, 2014, 11:44:10 AM
Sadification actually sounds fun, if not a bit too methodical (slow down the tempo, put it in a minor key.)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 12:36:10 PM
^ That was what I had originally thought. But alas, no other ideas have come yet.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 14, 2014, 01:15:12 PM
I would argue that it takes more than a minor key to make a work "sad", but it's all subjective.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PM
Idea: why don't we take he sadification idea, but make it spooky/scary instead? Halloween is coming up, and we could probably procrastinate long enough to have this happen around then.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 14, 2014, 05:04:16 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PMIdea: why don't we take he sadification idea, but make it spooky/scary instead? Halloween is coming up, and we could probably procrastinate long enough to have this happen around then.

Thoughts?

Procrastinate? I say we start as soon as possible and announce the results on Halloween. It's ambitious but it probably could be done.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 06:21:12 PM
^thqt would be cool. We would need people to respond quickly with interest to get this going. Post weather you'd like to participate or be a judguror!

Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Maelstrom on September 14, 2014, 06:45:33 PM
I might be in! Just...what exactly qualifies as a creepy song? I get the point of arranging, but if I made a song menacing, would that count? And, if I wanted to, could it just be a piano song?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 07:04:44 PM
Basically you take a tune from a video game and arrange it for a different ensemble, as well as fit the theme. A good rule of thumb would be to not use songs that are already creepy of from scary parts if games. Go back several pages and read through the first three contests for examples.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Maelstrom on September 14, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
So, could it be just piano?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: FireArrow on September 14, 2014, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 04:49:24 PMIdea: why don't we take he sadification idea, but make it spooky/scary instead? Halloween is coming up, and we could probably procrastinate long enough to have this happen around then.

Thoughts?

I like that better, much more difficult.

Quote from: MaestroUGC on September 14, 2014, 01:15:12 PMI would argue that it takes more than a minor key to make a work "sad", but it's all subjective.

You forgot the slowing down the tempo part, which combined with a minor key should do the trick for most pieces.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 14, 2014, 08:34:36 PM
Regardless of what the contest itself is I'll be entering.

I'm tired of seeing these things come and go but not be able to really get involved in playing.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 09:13:30 PM
Glad to see interest. Since cobraroll isn't around to host his time around, I wouldn't mind doing the honors. Plus I have some scooper prizes in mind :J
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest No. 4
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 14, 2014, 09:17:51 PM
Double post, I'll make a sign up topic with more info tomorrow. Spread the word!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 15, 2014, 05:41:07 AM
I'd like to join as a participant, but if we don't have enough judgurors I would do that too.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Clanker37 on September 15, 2014, 07:51:24 AM
I would love to partake! Someone's got to bring up the rear! :D
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 15, 2014, 08:01:32 AM
Are we going to go with Spookification then?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 15, 2014, 08:45:36 AM
^ It would seem so. How do you guys feel about doing it blind again? idc if it's blind or not. Opinions?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 15, 2014, 08:53:50 AM
Well, last time we went blind it didn't matter because we figured out 3 of the 5 entries anyway.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 15, 2014, 09:03:53 AM
Last time there were only two entries though.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 15, 2014, 09:06:08 AM
I didn't participate in the Solos one so I don't count that as a contest we did.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 15, 2014, 09:28:41 AM
Oh we did it, you were just to scared to do it mr. ineedeveryinstrument
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 15, 2014, 10:24:26 AM
I actually got about half through it before I just stopped working on it.

I tend to just drop projects for months before returning.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 15, 2014, 10:41:43 AM
^nasty habit.

Alright, since no one else has posted about it yet, 'I'll assume that a non-blind approach will be the way to go with this one.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 15, 2014, 11:10:17 AM
You can probably make the sign-ups then so we can get an idea of who's playing/judgroring.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Sebastian on September 15, 2014, 11:28:27 AM
I'll play:)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 24, 2014, 10:41:35 PM
An idea for next time, if only a simple one: Theme and Variations.

We can set a number of variations needed and possibly require certain ones to be done (invert key to minor/major; rework into a different meter, etc.)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Clanker37 on September 25, 2014, 06:48:35 AM
What about jazzification/ big band arrangement? Some people could go to town!

I would be partial to Theme and Variations as well.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 25, 2014, 07:41:57 AM
Theme and variation sounds like a fun idea! I'd be down!

Jazz? Eh. I feel like not enough of the arrangers would know enough about it to execute it very well.

We could always restrict the song; we haven't done that yet. d:
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: SlowPokemon on September 25, 2014, 08:22:06 AM
Whoa. Theme and variations would be incredible. But I think it would also be very difficult.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: MaestroUGC on September 25, 2014, 08:46:21 AM
TWe should propbably give people a choice between 3 songs or so for Theme and Variations, gives people a chance to compare what they did to each other for a single common theme.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: JDMEK5 on September 25, 2014, 06:50:57 PM
I don't think I have enough knowledge on jazz theory or music analogy to participate in either of those even if I had the time. I could see many others being in the same boat as I.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: FireArrow on September 25, 2014, 07:52:42 PM
I think we should arrange something into fugue form, easier than jazz atleast.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 25, 2014, 07:57:25 PM
It would most likely yield similar results, though. Not enough people knowing how to do something like that.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Sebastian on October 10, 2014, 11:36:37 AM

I have a question for you Ollimar: Remember when Bespinben and Fingerz had a head to head arrangement Battle thingy? I would actually be super interested in doing that with someone.
I guess it would have to be against someone around my arrangement level...
What do you think?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on October 11, 2014, 10:48:09 PM
Oh wow so that question seemed to be directed at me(for some reason). Um I don't know... Sounds like a one against one arrange off could be fun if executed correctly. Tbh I don't remember the example you gave so that probably doesn't help. Also, I think you may not be taking about the same kind of arranging that these are done in. Rather than the site's transcription-based arrangements, these allow the arranger more creative freedom to produce entirely new pieces of music. Have you reviewed the previous arrangement contests' entries?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Sebastian on October 12, 2014, 01:43:46 PM
I don't know.......I don't have time to hunt it up now.....
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Olimar12345 on October 12, 2014, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 15, 2014, 11:33:04 AMTo get an idea of how things may be like, below are links to the previous contests.

Arrangement Contest No. 1 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=3798.0)
Arrangement Contest No. 2 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=4171.0)
Arrangement Contest No. 3 (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=4437.0)
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest 4 - Brainstorming Topic
Post by: Sebastian on October 17, 2014, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: mariolegofan on October 10, 2014, 11:36:37 AMI have a question for you Ollimar: Remember when Bespinben and Fingerz had a head to head arrangement Battle thingy? I would actually be super interested in doing that with someone.
I guess it would have to be against someone around my arrangement level...
What do you think?
Here found it. I guess it was an unofficial thing they did.
http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=3391.msg171485#msg171485

I still think it'd be fun to do maybe in the future :)