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Title: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 07, 2014, 11:46:59 AM
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg519/nthreeon/SSB4%20Newcomers/KingKRoolHeader_zps8d2d4cde.png)

"By now, it has been said many times that the Kremling King is long overdue for a Smash appearance, and this belief certainly shows in the rosters posted in SSB4 threads across the Internet. In fact, not only is K. Rool among the first characters to pop up on most newcomer lists (if not the first), the makers of any roster without K. Rool are often ridiculed or dismissed entirely. According to those who have delved into foreign Smash forums, K. Rool's popularity continues on overseas in both Japan and Europe, a feat very few characters have accomplished thus far. For a character whose last appearance was in a mediocre baseball spinoff in 2008, the fact that he remains so beloved is almost shocking...that is, until everything he would bring to the table in Smash is considered." - BKupa666 @ Smashboards


Hi all. We King K Rool supporters at Smashboards have started a kampaign to promote the Kremling King to be a playable karakter in the next installment of the Super Smash Bros. series, for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U.

Famous videogame komposer Grant Kirkhope, the man behind the themes of Donkey Kong 64, has already re-tweeted this initiative to his great number of followers; and we've also let David Wise, komposer of the great Donkey Kong Country series soundtrack, know about it.

But we are aiming for more.

We need your help to gain momentum and sekure K Rool's rightful place in the Smash roster by re-tweeting and spreading the word here and there.

So please, if you have any interest in the karakter, want to know more about him, or directly want to support, please visit:

http://kremlingkampaign.wordpress.com/



Thanks for your support!
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros.!
Post by: Waddle Bro on July 07, 2014, 12:03:48 PM
You don't seem to realize that all the characters were decided before they even started coding the game. That happened before X and Y were even released.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros.!
Post by: DonValentino on July 07, 2014, 12:08:12 PM
Actually, this is for K Rool DLC if he doesn't appear at first. Of course he can still pop up as a newcomer who's been planned since long ago.

That's why I wrote "secure his place", but yeah I should have clarified that. :P
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 07, 2014, 01:08:11 PM
ugh
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 07, 2014, 01:09:44 PM
You don't like K Rool? :'(
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 07, 2014, 01:13:08 PM
I think what Dude means is that this is kind of...I don't want to say dumb, but that's the first word that came to my mind when I tried to describe this idea. It's completely pointless as I don't see DLC characters being a thing for Super Smash Bros., and development of these games are so far along that it's just not plausible. Nintendo is going to do whatever they see as the right decision and petitions for characters seem quite childish no matter how professional you try to make them, so I won't be signing this.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 07, 2014, 01:16:22 PM
no, it's not that, i just don't like these kind of topics.

Basically topics with an idea that won't be noticed or cared enough about.

damnit slow stop being not slow
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 07, 2014, 02:00:02 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 07, 2014, 01:13:08 PMI think what Dude means is that this is kind of...I don't want to say dumb, but that's the first word that came to my mind when I tried to describe this idea. It's completely pointless as I don't see DLC characters being a thing for Super Smash Bros., and development of these games are so far along that it's just not plausible. Nintendo is going to do whatever they see as the right decision and petitions for characters seem quite childish no matter how professional you try to make them, so I won't be signing this.

Maybe, but why not giving it a try? We're the fanbase after all, and our opinions could also be heard, even if Nintendo doesn't end up doing anything. I don't see DLC characters either, in fact, I posted about that, but I mean, why not, even if it's just to rise a bit the character's popularity.

Truth is I'm pretty positive K Rool will be in the game, if not playable, at least as an AT, so I'm not worried. But hey, just giving a hand to the guys at Smashboards.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 07, 2014, 05:29:20 PM
Well Sakurai outright comfirmed that there won't be DLC for SMash Bros 4 so...
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 07, 2014, 07:28:17 PM
He also hasn't really been relevant since DK 64 in 1999 (King of Swing and Barrel Blast weren't all that popular), and is neither a main character from a retro game, nor from the time period that most of these "retro" characters are being included from (1980s, mostly; it was the beginning of Nintendo's success in the industry, and a loooot more people are nostalgic for it). As for what he "has to offer", idk if smash really needs another slow, bulky villain character. Dedede's inclusion wasn't much of a success, so I would need to see some serious hypothetical moves/stats to be convinced that K. Rool's inclusion would go any differently. Sure, there are a lot of people who'd like to see him, but there is a significant amount of Nintendo's target audience that wasn't even born yet the last time he was particularly relevant, and of those who were, they've already been pandered to a significant amount.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him. He's the main villain from multiple of my all-time favorite games, after all. But you have to understand that Nintendo's trying to balance between pandering to older, long-time fans, and remaining relevant to the younger generation, without oversaturating the roster.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Maelstrom on July 07, 2014, 08:35:44 PM
Remember, Dedede is from a Sakurai game.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: mikey on July 07, 2014, 09:28:16 PM
But but... he's... an ALLIGATOR.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 07, 2014, 11:58:09 PM
Crocodile*
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 08, 2014, 04:04:51 AM
Quote from: FierceDeity on July 07, 2014, 07:28:17 PMHe also hasn't really been relevant since DK 64 in 1999 (King of Swing and Barrel Blast weren't all that popular), and is neither a main character from a retro game, nor from the time period that most of these "retro" characters are being included from (1980s, mostly; it was the beginning of Nintendo's success in the industry, and a loooot more people are nostalgic for it). As for what he "has to offer", idk if smash really needs another slow, bulky villain character. Dedede's inclusion wasn't much of a success, so I would need to see some serious hypothetical moves/stats to be convinced that K. Rool's inclusion would go any differently. Sure, there are a lot of people who'd like to see him, but there is a significant amount of Nintendo's target audience that wasn't even born yet the last time he was particularly relevant, and of those who were, they've already been pandered to a significant amount.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing him. He's the main villain from multiple of my all-time favorite games, after all. But you have to understand that Nintendo's trying to balance between pandering to older, long-time fans, and remaining relevant to the younger generation, without oversaturating the roster.

Adding K Rool would be balancing, why do you think it's oversaturating the roster? Some clones were oversaturating, but K Rool? He is a unique character with a unique personality and a unique moveset that no existing fighter has. If you have battled against him, you should know that he isn't slow and bulky at all, in fact he's surprisingly agile for his girth, what would differentiate him even more from the current heavyweights in Smash. He would be a relatively fast heavyweight with long-ranged attacks such as the crown or the blunderbuss, and the closest thing to that we have in a heavyweight is Dedede's minion throw. If you just see him in the three Country games you can get a convincing moveset easily.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: blueflower999 on July 08, 2014, 09:29:14 PM
Doesn't Rare Ware have a copyright on this guy?
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 08, 2014, 09:49:26 PM
Quote from: DonValentino on July 08, 2014, 04:04:51 AMAdding K Rool would be balancing, why do you think it's oversaturating the roster? Some clones were oversaturating, but K Rool? He is a unique character with a unique personality and a unique moveset that no existing fighter has. If you have battled against him, you should know that he isn't slow and bulky at all, in fact he's surprisingly agile for his girth, what would differentiate him even more from the current heavyweights in Smash. He would be a relatively fast heavyweight with long-ranged attacks such as the crown or the blunderbuss, and the closest thing to that we have in a heavyweight is Dedede's minion throw. If you just see him in the three Country games you can get a convincing moveset easily.

I have seen him in the three Country games, lol. However, a boss moveset and "stats" will not work for a fighting game character. You can't have a speedy powerhouse, no matter how much of one he may be in his original games. You'd either have to severely lower his damage output, or his speed, and both would be unrealistic for his "character". You do realize Dedede isn't slow as fuck in his games either, right? He races you, for god's sake. As for K. Rool's "unique" moveset...a boomerang attack? A gun? How would these be unique in any way other than their skins? Simple projectiles like these have never really been the selling points of their characters, and I really can't see them doing so for K. Rool. There's more to making a character viable in a fighting game than "Look at all these potential moves of his that we could rip from other games!"

Also, my main point that you seem to have completely ignored:
Quote from: FierceDeity on July 07, 2014, 07:28:17 PMPersonally, I wouldn't mind seeing him. He's the main villain from multiple of my all-time favorite games, after all. But you have to understand that Nintendo's trying to balance between pandering to older, long-time fans, and remaining relevant to the younger generation, without oversaturating the roster.


Oh, and blueflower, I'm pretty sure Nintendo retained the rights to all characters from the Donkey Kong universe.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 09, 2014, 06:52:34 AM
No, I haven't ignored that, in fact I've responded:

Quote from: DonValentino on July 08, 2014, 04:04:51 AMAdding K Rool would be balancing, why do you think it's oversaturating the roster?

But I also tried to respond when you said that you wanted to see convincing moves/stats. I referred to the boss battles mainly for the moveset, but the speed could also be added with less power and other things, in fact look at Little Mac, he's very fast and strong, but terrible in the air. Something similar could be done with K Rool.

I don't really get it when you say that there's "more to making a character viable" or all about the balancing. What's exactly your point with that? Does K Rool lack of something that announced newcomers or veterans have?


Yup blueflower, what Fierce said, Nintendo kept everything Donkey Kong-related made by Rare. That's why we saw Kremlings in games like Super Mario Sluggers, Brawl, or recently in Smash Run.

Speaking about Smash Run, a "big Kremling" (said a Nintendo rep) is going to appear as a miniboss in Smash Run, like Bonkers. All these things do nothing but increase K Rool's chances.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 09, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
...So doesn't that mean he isn't playable if he's a mini-boss? -_-

I'll say this again, Ugh.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 09, 2014, 02:59:03 PM
Haha nice try! But think about it for a second.

First, do you think a final boss, leader of an entire army comparable to the Koopa Troop, is gonna be a simple roaming mini-boss? It's like having Bowser or Dedede compared to Bonkers...

Second, the Nintendo rep said he saw a "big Kremling" as a mini-boss, but wasn't sure about its name because he wasn't familiar with the Kremlings, he didn't know if it was K Rool either. Now let's suppose it was K Rool: Do you think he would still say "big Kremling"? If it had been K Rool, don't you think he would have said something like "the Kremling king" or "a Kremling with a crown/cape"? It's obvious that that Kremling didn't have any distinctive characteristics, it was just "a big Kremling", meanwhile K Rool is at the very least more memorable for the obvious reasons I said.

Third, there are Kremlings even bigger than K Rool, or at least his same size more-less: Krusha, Klump, Kudgel, Kludge, Kerozene, Klubba... And all those would fit perfectly as mini-bosses, while K Rool simply wouldn't.

So chances that that Kremling is actually K Rool are 0%-0.01%. :J
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 09, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
First, Porky says hi.

Second, I don't even.

Third, status-wise he's the biggest/top/whatever.

So chances that that Kremling is actually K Rool are more around 66% or greater.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 09, 2014, 04:03:40 PM
Quote from: Yugi on July 07, 2014, 05:29:20 PMWell Sakurai outright comfirmed that there won't be DLC for Smash Bros 4 so...
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Sebastian on July 09, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
Dream Squasher
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 01:42:06 AM
Quote from: mariolegofan on July 09, 2014, 04:24:23 PMDream Squasher
It's true though. (http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama/leute/Fuck-You-to-those-people/story/24094113)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 01:43:06 AM
I used the wrong link WHOOPS

This was what I meant to link. (http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-no-plans-for-smash-bros-dlc-tripping-removed)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 10, 2014, 02:01:21 AM
Who cares about the DLC part, tripping removed, praise sakurai

Also, this article doesn't actually guarantee there won't be DLC, haha. He says there are currently no plans, and he's currently concerned with making it the best he can. It's still absurdly unlikely though, I'd say.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 10, 2014, 02:49:54 AM
Quote from: Dude on July 09, 2014, 03:13:33 PMFirst, Porky says hi.

Second, I don't even.

Third, status-wise he's the biggest/top/whatever.

First, Porky was a boss, not a mini-boss. I never said K Rool couldn't be a boss.

Second, that is relevant.

Third, so what? Go to first.


Quote from: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 01:43:06 AMI used the wrong link WHOOPS

This was what I meant to link. (http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-no-plans-for-smash-bros-dlc-tripping-removed)

As I said, I'm pretty positive K Rool is already in the game, maybe as a boss or a hidden character. I never cared about DLC and I didn't make the campaign, I'm just spreading the word so K Rool can gain more popularity.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Sebastian on July 10, 2014, 01:27:25 PM
Quote from: DonValentino on July 10, 2014, 02:49:54 AMAs I said, I'm pretty positive K Rool is already in the game, maybe as a boss or a hidden character. I never cared about DLC and I didn't make the campaign, I'm just spreading the word so K Rool can gain more popularity.
Agreed
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 10, 2014, 02:09:33 PM
Quote from: mariolegofan on July 10, 2014, 01:27:25 PMAgreed

 :)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros.!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 10, 2014, 02:47:15 PM
Quote from: DonValentino on July 10, 2014, 02:49:54 AMI never cared about DLC and I didn't make the campaign, I'm just spreading the word so K Rool can gain more popularity.

Quote from: DonValentino on July 07, 2014, 12:08:12 PMActually, this is for K Rool DLC if he doesn't appear at first.

lol.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 10, 2014, 03:25:38 PM
this has gone on too long when is this going to be closed

this topic is just so pointless and stupid

just ugh
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros.!
Post by: mikey on July 10, 2014, 03:29:52 PM
Quote from: FierceDeity on July 10, 2014, 02:47:15 PMlol.
He doesn't really care whether he's DLC or not; he just wants some Kremling stuffs
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Sebastian on July 10, 2014, 03:34:56 PM
Quote from: Dude on July 10, 2014, 03:25:38 PMthis has gone on too long when is this going to be closed

this topic is just so pointless and stupid

just ugh
not really
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 10, 2014, 03:47:52 PM
what do you mean "not really"?

i'm pretty sure don is the only one of us who is actually passionate about this "issue" and his signature image was better than an entire fucking thread about something that could have just got in the ssb fisticuffs topic.

im just do done with this ugh
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: mikey on July 10, 2014, 04:04:52 PM
Quote from: Dude on July 10, 2014, 03:47:52 PMwhat do you mean "not really"?

i'm pretty sure don is the only one of us who is actually passionate about this "issue" and his signature image was better than an entire fucking thread about something that could have just got in the ssb fisticuffs topic.

im just do done with this ugh
So why do you keep posting
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: MaestroUGC on July 10, 2014, 04:05:23 PM
Aw, it's okay Dude. I know this must be really difficult for you to deal with.

Your suffering will be over soon.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Sebastian on July 10, 2014, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 10, 2014, 04:04:52 PMSo why do you keep posting
Quote from: MaestroUGC on July 10, 2014, 04:05:23 PMAw, it's okay Dude. I know this must be really difficult for you to deal with.

Your suffering will be over soon.
Haha!
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 10, 2014, 04:13:48 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 10, 2014, 04:04:52 PMSo why do you keep posting
because im annoyed at this whole situation i guess
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: MaestroUGC on July 10, 2014, 05:53:06 PM
Out of all the things in the world entire, this is the one that you decide warrants your annoyance and dissatisfaction?
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 10, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
lol why are you getting upset now?

you guys are silly
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Bubbles on July 10, 2014, 06:03:47 PM
now im upset too!
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 10, 2014, 06:06:09 PM
Quote from: Bubbles on July 10, 2014, 06:03:47 PMnow im upset too!
i know it so upsetting i just can't

Edit: lol this topic went to shit now sorry not sorry
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 06:06:37 PM
can i be upsetting
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 10, 2014, 06:08:02 PM
no

i mean sure whatever
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
being upsetting is suffering
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 10, 2014, 06:16:58 PM
yigu lost it
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: InfinitySoul on July 10, 2014, 07:09:59 PM
If this guy was put in Smash, he would be the slowest thing in the game!
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Maelstrom on July 10, 2014, 07:33:04 PM
But Ganondorf would still be slower.... :P
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: InfinitySoul on July 10, 2014, 07:35:55 PM
No one can be slower than Ganodorf XD except I believe Jigglypuff is slower...not sure on that one
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: blueflower999 on July 10, 2014, 07:38:26 PM
This thread is starting to make me sad
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: InfinitySoul on July 10, 2014, 07:40:22 PM
Why so, my good sir?
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Maelstrom on July 10, 2014, 07:47:08 PM
But..But...Derailing a topic is fun!  :'(
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: InfinitySoul on July 10, 2014, 07:48:53 PM
Oh wow, didn't even realized it was derailed   :-\
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 07:52:36 PM
do not derail k.rool!!!!!
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Maelstrom on July 10, 2014, 07:53:08 PM
Well, you tried to get it back on topic (just look at the page before), but it turned into who happens to be the slowest ssb character. I think that's what Blueflower is referencing.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: InfinitySoul on July 10, 2014, 07:55:05 PM
Oh wow, you're right this thread is all over the place XD
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Maelstrom on July 10, 2014, 07:56:24 PM
That's what usually happens  :P
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 10, 2014, 08:26:02 PM
i would now like to use this thread to campaign for some of my favorite characters

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Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 08:31:17 PM
why this happen?
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: InfinitySoul on July 10, 2014, 08:36:41 PM
OMG those pictures are hilarious!
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: DonValentino on July 11, 2014, 03:14:43 AM
Quote from: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 07:52:36 PMdo not derail k.rool!!!!!


17:00 Not even Donkey can
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 11, 2014, 07:26:47 AM
Quote from: Yugi on July 10, 2014, 08:31:17 PMwhy this happen?
becaaaaauuuse
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: mikey on July 11, 2014, 01:25:20 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 10, 2014, 08:26:02 PM
Spoiler
i would now like to use this thread to campaign for some of my favorite characters

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/3ad40b6b0b047d9ae850f07f1cbb4d6c/tumblr_n8aykjqvPA1t4uokzo9_1280.jpg)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/0508e922ca0ce0cefeddf313ad94fba8/tumblr_n6sbhuYFdf1t4uokzo1_1280.jpg)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/f602c76d16ecc2d64a7cc549f5cef99e/tumblr_n4g3f8Yo8Y1t4uokzo1_500.jpg)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/92623e994737cdd9b77b33587c0ce17e/tumblr_n4g3c9AsiN1t4uokzo1_500.jpg)

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/e4f07e8d64ce507789bf914bfc5f31ec/tumblr_n4afx1IbsT1t4uokzo1_500.jpg)

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I'm sorry but what are these supposed to be?
I can only assume they're jokes
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Olimar12345 on July 11, 2014, 01:33:11 PM
Looks like characters from the ace attorney series.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Maelstrom on July 11, 2014, 07:53:15 PM
Found this today:
(http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1150/1776/original.jpg)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 11, 2014, 08:20:24 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on July 11, 2014, 01:25:20 PMI can only assume they're jokes
For something to be a j...

Never mind.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 11, 2014, 08:28:19 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 11, 2014, 08:20:24 PMFor something to be a j...

Never mind.

How would you put it... Ah yes.

Spoiler
(http://dudelol.com/img/joke-went-over-your-head.gif)
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Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 11, 2014, 08:35:34 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 11, 2014, 08:28:19 PMHow would you put it... Ah yes.

Spoiler
(http://dudelol.com/img/joke-went-over-your-head.gif)
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The only ones of those that could be considered funny are the Charley and Miles Cyrus ones; the other ones don't really involve humor, unless you're trying to imply that wanting King K. Rool (who is/was a major character in a successful franchise, being the main antagonist of the first three Donkey Kong Country games) in Smash Bros. is ridiculous. Not likely, yes, but not completely unreasonable.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 11, 2014, 08:39:44 PM
omg guys why can't arceus be a character, he's so cool and has so much to offer
also every other pokemon
also james bond from goldeneye, and epona, and toad, and SAKURAI I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME A PONY FOR CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR YOU'RE THE WORST DAD EVER

hopefully the joke should be clear enough to BDS now
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 11, 2014, 08:59:28 PM
http://pleasesakurai.tumblr.com
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 11, 2014, 09:03:57 PM
Quote from: FierceDeity on July 11, 2014, 08:39:44 PMomg guys why can't arceus be a character, he's so cool and has so much to offer
also every other pokemon
also james bond from goldeneye, and epona, and toad, and SAKURAI I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME A PONY FOR CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR YOU'RE THE WORST DAD EVER

hopefully the joke should be clear enough to BDS now
The only thing that is clear is that you're just being completely ridiculous now- all of those characters you listed are poor examples (except maybe Arceus, aside from the fact that there are already a lot of Pokemon in the new Smash Bros.) of what you're trying to convey. None of those characters (except maybe Arceus, as I said before) are even comparable to King K. Rool.

K. Rool would be in line with major antagonists- such as Bowser, Ganondorf, King Dedede, and Wolf- who have appeared in Smash Bros. games; on the other hand, asking for characters such as those you and Slow listed would be like asking for Birdo, Tatanga, E. Gadd, or a Boo in a Smash Bros. game. They don't have any significant justification, especially when you consider that Waluigi still isn't a character. :P
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 11, 2014, 09:07:46 PM
bds we all stopped legitimately caring about this issue like three pages ago B)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 11, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 11, 2014, 09:07:46 PMbds we all stopped legitimately caring about this issue like three pages ago B)
Perfect excuse. XD
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 01:40:44 AM
BDS must be super fun at parties

P.S. you're still not getting the joke
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 12, 2014, 05:08:24 AM
Awww now FierceDeity that's just mean. I don't see how he could read that without his head just exploding all over the room.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Waddle Bro on July 12, 2014, 06:51:23 AM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 11, 2014, 08:35:34 PMThe only ones of those that could be considered funny are the Charley and Miles Cyrus ones; the other ones don't really involve humor
You can't just go and state something can't be considered funny by anyone and think your statement would be accurate.

EDIT: Forgot that you're BDS

i already buried all hopes of the obese crocodile appearing post #2 why is this even a thing
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 12, 2014, 05:08:24 AMAwww now FierceDeity that's just mean. I don't see how he could read that without his head just exploding all over the room.
I think having one's head explode would be a better fate than listening to you two three ramble on about nonsense for eternity.

Quote from: Waddle Bro on July 12, 2014, 06:51:23 AMYou can't just go and state something can't be considered funny by anyone and think your statement would be accurate.
I never said that somebody can't find it funny, just that it isn't funny (the definition of "funny" being "causing laughter or amusement"). There's a big difference between those two statements; it's just that if something doesn't involve humor, very few people are likely to find it funny.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 02:38:57 PMI think having one's head explode would be a better fate than listening to you two three ramble on about nonsense for eternity.

irony

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 02:38:57 PMI never said that somebody can't find it funny, just that it isn't funny (the definition of "funny" being "causing laughter or amusement"). There's a big difference between those two statements; it's just that if something doesn't involve humor, very few people are likely to find it funny.

Sure, if we forget that humor is also subjective, and your conclusion that there's no humor in his post derives from your own seeming inability to recognize it. Really, if you-
WAIT.
WAIT, GUYS.
I'VE HAD A REVELATION.

Every time BDS comes into an argument, he takes the side that's overwhelmingly less favored. He then proceeds to make a bunch of arrogant claims of his supreme knowledge of every facet of what we've been talking about, championing "logic" as his rationale, despite not having any actual adherence to it. Everything he does seems to be perfectly tailored to facilitate the most argument with the least civility. He wants senseless argument.

Guys.
BDS has been trolling this entire time.

Thread dismissed, bring in the dancing lobsters
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 12, 2014, 02:58:49 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 02:38:57 PMI think having one's head explode would be a better fate than listening to me ramble on about nonsense for eternity.
ftfy

lol fierce
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Waddle Bro on July 12, 2014, 03:46:05 PM
Quote from: Dude on July 12, 2014, 02:58:49 PMftfy
FACTS


FierceDeity wins internet and my babies
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 04:00:05 PM
Quote from: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 02:57:31 PMSure, if we forget that humor is also subjective, and your conclusion that there's no humor in his post derives from your own seeming inability to recognize it.
By that logic, I could also say that the following sentence is funny:
A guy walks into a bar, sits down, and has a drink.

Humor is subjective, yes, but using your definition, you could say that literally anything is funny. You could say that I am "unable to recognize humor," but likewise, I could say that it is impossible to recognize humor if it is not present.

QuoteEvery time BDS comes into an argument, he takes the side that's overwhelmingly less favored. He then proceeds to make a bunch of arrogant claims of his supreme knowledge of every facet of what we've been talking about, championing "logic" as his rationale, despite not having any actual adherence to it. Everything he does seems to be perfectly tailored to facilitate the most argument with the least civility. He wants senseless argument.
I'm not exactly sure you're the best person to be calling somebody else "arrogant"... unless you define that subjectively too (e.g. being anybody who disagrees with you). Many of the phrases you use to describe me are either baseless or could be used to describe yourself, which is very hypocritical.

And that brings me to this...
QuoteEvery time BDS comes into an argument, he takes the side that's overwhelmingly less favored.
You're assuming not only that an argument is correct because more people are arguing for it (bandwagon fallacy), but also that the argument itself is correct because you're the one arguing for it (which would probably be a form of appeal to authority, yourself being the "authority"; or, alternative, this (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic)).

For one who criticizes me for "not using logic," you sure don't use much of it either.



And remember kids! I AM THE CHAMPION OF LOGIC AND STRUGGLE DAILY IN MY FIGHT AGAINST INTERNET ARROGANCE.



EDIT: We should probably end this topic before our fight gets out of hand, given that not much more relevant discussion is likely to come from the topic.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 12, 2014, 04:01:19 PM
Quote from: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 02:57:31 PMirony

Sure, if we forget that humor is also subjective, and your conclusion that there's no humor in his post derives from your own seeming inability to recognize it. Really, if you-
WAIT.
WAIT, GUYS.
I'VE HAD A REVELATION.

Every time BDS comes into an argument, he takes the side that's overwhelmingly less favored. He then proceeds to make a bunch of arrogant claims of his supreme knowledge of every facet of what we've been talking about, championing "logic" as his rationale, despite not having any actual adherence to it. Everything he does seems to be perfectly tailored to facilitate the most argument with the least civility. He wants senseless argument.

Guys.
BDS has been trolling this entire time.

Thread dismissed, bring in the dancing lobsters

FAVORITE TIMES INFINITY

BDS the difference between you and us is that we don't see it as a fight
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 04:27:41 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 04:00:05 PMBy that logic, I could also say that the following sentence is funny:
A guy walks into a bar, sits down, and has a drink.

Humor is subjective, yes, but using your definition, you could say that literally anything is funny. You could say that I am "unable to recognize humor," but likewise, I could say that it is impossible to recognize humor if it is not present.

Lol, you bring up the bandwagon fallacy, but pretend that it means anything in regards to humor. Idk what you think "my definition" is, considering the only thing that I said about it is that it's subjective, which you apparently agree with (yet don't understand the implications of). But if you think that your conclusion that it doesn't have humor holds any merit against the conclusions of the multiple people who think that it does, then you're clearly letting your tunnel vision get in the way of your understanding of the concept.

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 04:00:05 PMI'm not exactly sure you're the best person to be calling somebody else "arrogant"... unless you define that subjectively too (e.g. being anybody who disagrees with you). Many of the phrases you use to describe me are either baseless or could be used to describe yourself, which is very hypocritical.

And that brings me to this...You're assuming not only that an argument is correct because more people are arguing for it (bandwagon fallacy), but also that the argument itself is correct because you're the one arguing for it (which would probably be a form of appeal to authority, yourself being the "authority"; or, alternative, this (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic)).

Actually, it's more based on the fact that any time I do bring up rationale in response to your posts, you literally just respond with a rewording of your own unilateral, inflammatory argument. Take now, for example.
You: "This is definitively not funny. People may find this funny, but that doesn't mean it's funny."
Me: "But the people who find something funny are what designate its humor."
You: "I'm gonna pretend to acknowledge the subjectivity of humor, but here's an example of something that is definitively not funny. People may find it funny, but that doesn't mean it's funny."
Truth is, what you just said might actually be hilarious in a certain context or mindset. Humor is not empirically definitive, except for the people who experience it. The more people experience it, the harder it is to say that something is "definitively not funny", which is why "OMG BANDWAGON FALLACY" is a pretty invalid argument in this case.

Though your high school debate class may have taught you that shouting "FALLACY" at the top of your lungs is enough to discredit an argument, it only does so if the other rationale is weak, and if the opposing rationale to it is valid. I could technically take literally everything you say and go "Omg appeal to authority because you find yourself to be an authority on the way logic works", and hold the same amount of merit as what you just said. I won't, because I'm not an arrogant prick. I will say, however, that a perfectly logical argument, as you believe yourself to have, needs to be logical both in its content and its rhetoric. If you were a purely logical human being, you'd see the things that you type, and realize their absurdly inflammatory nature, and the impossibility of their actually convincing anybody. As for its content, I don't expect to convince you of your tunnel vision, as that would require you to turn it off for a moment. And I do realize the hypocrisy of saying "Your rhetoric is inflammatory, ya arrogant prick!", but truth be told, I've gotten tired of talking at an angry, arrogant, youtube commenter of a wall, who, for all I know, is presenting such an atrocious argument for the purpose of sheer hostility. So, troll, I will no longer be crossing your bridge.

Oh, hey, look who's here.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/382166/dancing-lobsters-o.gif)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Waddle Bro on July 12, 2014, 04:46:29 PM
rekt
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: blueflower999 on July 12, 2014, 04:48:27 PM
Quote from: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 02:57:31 PMBDS has been trolling this entire time.
Fierce if you're going to assert this the least you could do is not feed him. We all know that know BDS is going to make a massive wall of text to respond to your massive wall of text.  ::)

What was this thread originally about again? Donkey Kong or something? Oh well, who cares. Let's just argue about stuff!
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Maelstrom on July 12, 2014, 04:54:23 PM
Maybe Fierce and BDS should start a debate club. The both seem to think they're so good at it.... :P
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 12, 2014, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: blueflower999 on July 12, 2014, 04:48:27 PMOh well, who cares.
exactly
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 12, 2014, 04:01:19 PMBDS the difference between you and us is that we don't see it as a fight
If you don't want me to see it as a fight, then don't make it one.

Quote from: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 04:27:41 PMLol, you bring up the bandwagon fallacy, but pretend that it means anything in regards to humor. Idk what you think "my definition" is, considering the only thing that I said about it is that it's subjective, which you apparently agree with (yet don't understand the implications of). But if you think that your conclusion that it doesn't have humor holds any merit against the conclusions of the multiple people who think that it does, then you're clearly letting your tunnel vision get in the way of your understanding of the concept.
I did not bring up the bandwagon fallacy in regards to humor; I mentioned it in response to your "description" of me.

QuoteActually, it's more based on the fact that any time I do bring up rationale in response to your posts, you literally just respond with a rewording of your own unilateral, inflammatory argument. Take now, for example.
You: "This is definitively not funny. People may find this funny, but that doesn't mean it's funny."
Me: "But the people who find something funny are what designate its humor."
You: "I'm gonna pretend to acknowledge the subjectivity of humor, but here's an example of something that is definitively not funny. People may find it funny, but that doesn't mean it's funny."
Truth is, what you just said might actually be hilarious in a certain context or mindset. Humor is not empirically definitive, except for the people who experience it. The more people experience it, the harder it is to say that something is "definitively not funny", which is why "OMG BANDWAGON FALLACY" is a pretty invalid argument in this case.
Most of the times, you don't bring up any "rationale" (given that a quick Google search for the definition of "rationale" will result in the definition "a set of reasons or a logical basis for a course of action or a particular belief"); in this case, you're using a shoddy argument (which, in addition, is misconstruing what I said- I never mentioned the bandwagon fallacy in regards to humor) because I pointed out a flaw in your reasoning (e.g. your definition of subjective being "Anything goes!").

I think a more accurate scenario of what you described would be like this:
Me: "It's not really funny, but you're trying to pass it off as funny to mock DonValentino."
You: "You're just missing the joke. It's funny, and if you don't find it funny, you're wrong."
Me: "You're ridiculous. You're not conveying your 'joke' across properly, if it's there at all."
You: "Well, humor is subjective. It's funny, and if you don't find it funny, you're wrong."

You mention that the example of a "joke" I gave could be funny "in a certain context or mindest," but that's exactly what I'm trying to say. The same thing applies in the case of the original post that ended up sparking this whole thing off (http://forum.ninsheetm.us/index.php?topic=6312.msg249794#msg249794). "In a certain context or mindset," you could find such a thing funny, but then, as you yourself pointed out, you could find nearly anything funny "in a certain context or mindset." Just because you can see something as funny doesn't mean it is funny. The argument is going to be very circular if you operate on the mindset that anything and everything IS funny.

QuoteThough your high school debate class may have taught you that shouting "FALLACY" at the top of your lungs is enough to discredit an argument, it only does so if the other rationale is weak, and if the opposing rationale to it is valid.
1: I didn't go to a "high school debate class."
2: I didn't "shout 'FALLACY'" at the top of my lungs.
3: It's funny how when I mentioned a fallacy in your argument ONE TIME you get on the defensive and bash me for using the logic you say I don't use. It seems as if you're the only one shouting.

QuoteI could technically take literally everything you say and go "Omg appeal to authority because you find yourself to be an authority on the way logic works", and hold the same amount of merit as what you just said.
All you'd be doing in that case would be blind bashing without any sort of base in reason or things I have said (connecting with a similar point above, you could say whatever you like, but that doesn't make it true). You're trying to take what I said and misinterpret it to try and make it seem unreasonable.

QuoteI won't, because I'm not an arrogant prick. I will say, however, that a perfectly logical argument, as you believe yourself to have, needs to be logical both in its content and its rhetoric. If you were a purely logical human being, you'd see the things that you type, and realize their absurdly inflammatory nature, and the impossibility of their actually convincing anybody. As for its content, I don't expect to convince you of your tunnel vision, as that would require you to turn it off for a moment. And I do realize the hypocrisy of saying "Your rhetoric is inflammatory, ya arrogant prick!", but truth be told, I've gotten tired of talking at an angry, arrogant, youtube commenter of a wall, who, for all I know, is presenting such an atrocious argument for the purpose of sheer hostility. So, troll, I will no longer be crossing your bridge.
It's funny how all the things you describe are only true of you. The things I type were ("were," as in, I tried to be reasonable before I understood that you didn't actually want a reasonable discussion- just a session of "I'm right and anybody who disagrees with me is wrong": and quite frankly, that's all it boils down to) neither "absurdly inflammatory" nor have any "impossibility of actually convincing anybody" (though, to be fair, you actually do have a point here, depending on how thickheaded the "anybody" in question is); in fact, all you're doing is spurting mocking and inflammatory responses, yet accuse me of doing so (which is hypocritical). Don't accuse me of being a "troll" when you're the only one who's acting like one. You're the one who started slandering me. You're the one who responded to my arguments with pure bashing instead of actually thinking up an intelligent response.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: SlowPokemon on July 12, 2014, 06:54:42 PM
Omfg

he is still talking

bds this is ancient history
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 06:58:53 PM
just look at them go
(http://i.imgur.com/6ooBU.gif)
(http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/dancing-lobsters.gif)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on July 12, 2014, 07:04:10 PM
Quote from: SlowPokemon on July 12, 2014, 06:54:42 PMOmfg

he is still talking

bds this is ancient history
:) (click it) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8oLddMA2vg&feature=youtu.be&t=16s)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Yugi on July 12, 2014, 07:12:47 PM
I was going to call all of you out for the way you're treating BDS right now but
Quote from: FierceDeity on July 12, 2014, 06:58:53 PM(http://i.imgur.com/6ooBU.gif)
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7aijkGbMq1rtcfaqo1_500.gif)
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Dude on July 12, 2014, 07:30:37 PM
I think this has gone long enough.

brb calling the NSM police
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Ruto on July 12, 2014, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: Dude on July 12, 2014, 07:30:37 PMI think this has gone long enough.

brb calling the NSM police

Sheesh why do you all have to do this when the cat's away...like seriously, everyone just take a time out from their computers. NOW.
Title: Re: The Kremling Kampaign: King K Rool for Super Smash Bros. DLC!
Post by: Winter on July 12, 2014, 08:16:31 PM
The NSM police have arrived on the scene. Until further notice, the matter is under investigation.

Thank you Dude for your invaluable effort in contacting the NSM police force. You have made quite the contribution.