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Title: [NDS] Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning"
Post by: Zeta on June 24, 2015, 09:18:47 AM
Submission Information:

Series: Other
Game: Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth 2
Console: Nintendo DS
Title: Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Maelstrom (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4119)

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Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on June 24, 2015, 09:19:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_mAu_0l-8

We really need an Ace Attorney section on the main site.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Bespinben on June 24, 2015, 11:10:35 AM
*Since this is a neo-classical-esque sort of piece, it would be fitting to use ornamentation suiting of the style. Take measures 4, 12, and 20 for example. The RH figure could be represented by a (sharp) turn:
(http://0.tqn.com/y/piano/1/S/y/d/-/-/piano-ornaments_turns.png)

*Your PDF file lacks the extensive articulation that your MUS has. However, I did notice in both that you only put tenuto markings on beat 1 of the LH for only m. 5-6, and 29-36. So either put tenuto markings on all the other beat 1's for consistency, or delete them.
*The 8va in the LH of m. 27 is unnecessary. It's very easy to read without it, as the top G would be only 3 ledger lines.
*M. 36 - The A# in the RH needs to be a Bb. This is because it functions as the seventh of the secondary dominant that leads into the new key of F (e.g. C7--> F). You wouldn't spell as C7 as C E G A#, lolzors.
*M. 38 - Spell the accidentals with sharps (G# & B, not Ab & Cb). It's the same chromatic neighboring tones you see at the beginning, just in a new key. Same applies to m. 44 and 46.
*M. 48 - The Gb should be F#. Again, the accidental is derived from a secondary dominant, this time it's V7/ii --> ii. Even without the formal analysis, you can easily see it's a D7 chord, which would be spelled as D F# A C.
*M. 70 - Sorry if I'm sounding like a butthead (I can't imagine what Pumpy_heart went through to help me figure out how to spell accidentals right way back when), but I would think it's a dead give-away something is incorrect if you spell C# in one hand and Db in the other at the same time. Anyway, the right one is C#.

Fun song. I enjoyed it -- the arrangement too ofc ;)
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on June 24, 2015, 06:32:26 PM
How do you edit the turns? I can't seem to figure it out anywhere.

edit; The accidentals are fixed.

And how should I turn that 5-note thingy into a turn? Make the first note a grace note?
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Tobbeh99 on June 25, 2015, 04:35:03 AM
Quote from: Maelstrom on June 24, 2015, 06:32:26 PMHow do you edit the turns? I can't seem to figure it out anywhere.

edit; The accidentals are fixed.

And how should I turn that 5-note thingy into a turn? Make the first note a grace note?

I don't know how to do the inverted turn, maybe look in different fonts? But with the modified turns it's just to create an articulation that looks like a b or a # and put it above/below.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on June 25, 2015, 04:42:33 AM
But how do I change the font?
That's what has been stumping me.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Tobbeh99 on June 25, 2015, 04:52:47 AM
1) Create an articulation
2) In the articulation designer you can see a window "Set Font", click there.
3) Chose the font you want and press OK.
4) Now when you click on "main" character, you will see completely different symbols, being from the font you chose. 

Edit: Ok, so I don't know if there exist a font with an inverted slur already in Finale. However I found a free font that has those: http://www.mu.qub.ac.uk/tomita/bachfont/BF-family.htm. Follow the link and download and install Bach-Slurs. That font has all the turns you need.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on June 26, 2015, 12:06:51 PM
Not quite. I was able to get the inverted turns in, but I could not find any turns that raise the lowest note a half step.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Tobbeh99 on June 26, 2015, 12:43:45 PM
I don't think there are any modified turns in the font. You'll have to manually create a new articulation that looks like a "#" and one that looks like a "b", and put them above/below the turn. So you have one turn-articulation and above/below an articulation that looks like a #/b.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on June 26, 2015, 04:51:57 PM
But how do I fix the playback?
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Tobbeh99 on June 26, 2015, 04:55:45 PM
Well, you can't, but the main thing is the pdf-sheet. It's like grace notes, and other ornaments, finale tries it best to make the playback good, but still sounds very mechanical, and with very few playback options. So focus on making the pdf-sheet correct. 
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on June 26, 2015, 06:14:25 PM
I am planing on keeping the midi and .mus as they are and just having the turns in the PDF.
But, of course, my PDF creator is action up and won't put any of the accidentals in.
It'd be great if someone could whip up a quick PDF for me from this file (https://www.dropbox.com/s/iy69aewlvog4olp/Yumihiko%20Ichiyanagi%20~%20First-Class%20Reasoning%20PDF%20ver..mus?dl=0).
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Tobbeh99 on June 27, 2015, 06:13:09 AM
Ok, so there is a way to this perfectly, but it's quite complicated, but if really want to here's how:

Explanation: This method takes use of the idea that one layer "plays the turn (all the notes 16th, quintuplets), but doesn't show them" and another "shows the turn (quarter note + symbol), but doesn't play anything".

1) Go into score manager and make one layer (maybe layer 4) have no instrument as it's playback ("device">"none"). In this case you only need to "mute" "one layer in the second staff", but you could just "mute" a layer in both staves for safety.
2) Create a new "staff style"
2a) Staff tool>define staff styles...
2b) A window will pop up select "new" and name your staff style to something like "hidden notes playback".
2c) Select the staff style and Click on "alternate notation"
2d) Select the layer you muted in step 1) on "apply to:", and in "other layers" click off "show" "notes", so that it doesn't show notes in other layers.
3) Create the note you want the turn to be on(for example measure 4 G) with the muted layer, but create it in the bass staff and move it up with cross-staff tool. Why? Because the playback won't work properly else, and put the ornament on it. So now you should be able to hear the ornament-notes but not the note(G) with the turn.
4) To hide the ornament-notes use the staff-style you created in 2) and apply it to the 1st staff, the treble-staff (staff tool>right-click>choose the staff style). If done correctly the note will now be hidden.
5) Now everything is done, and if done correctly you should be able to hear the ornament-notes but see them, and see the note with turn, but not hear the note.
6) You'll probably need to move some notes, adjust certain measures, since Finale adjusts them with respect to the hidden notes as well.

Here's a Version (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24842881/Yumihiko%20Ichiyanagi%20%7E%20First-Class%20Reasoning.zip) I made that shows how it works. I only did the first few measures. As you can see the pdf-file is correct, and in the mus and midi it's the correct playback, and if you click on the staff-tool you can see what I've done in measure 4.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on June 28, 2015, 10:03:12 AM
This, imo, is just too much work.
The PDF is fine (when someone makes one for me)
The MIDI is fine
The .mus doesn't have the turns

I think it's good enough
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: SlowPokemon on June 28, 2015, 08:36:19 PM
If you want my opinion... I honestly think that the suggestion to change the sixteenth notes to the ornamentation symbols is not a good one, and certainly not a necessary one. If this were an original composition, I could totally, definitely see that marking. However, as this is a transcription of an existing piece, the idea to be as faithful as possible means that the original way Maelstrom has it is actually the more accurate way. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on July 04, 2015, 06:45:58 PM
Any final say?
It also makes sense to leave out the turns just because of that 5-note run. Consistency.
Figured out what was the matter with the PDF. If there's any missing articulations, tell me.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: DonValentino on July 07, 2015, 07:10:25 AM
There's a typo in the composer, should be "Noriyuki". Also, the title differs from what's written on top of page 2). Fix this and it should be good to go.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Maelstrom on July 07, 2015, 07:17:26 AM
Quote from: DonValentino on July 07, 2015, 07:10:25 AMThere's a typo in the composer, should be "Noriyuki". Also, the title differs from what's written on top of page 2). Fix this and it should be good to go.
Thanks.
Fixed.
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Bespinben on July 07, 2015, 09:31:44 AM
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 04, 2015, 06:45:58 PMIt also makes sense to leave out the turns just because of that 5-note run. Consistency.

Ossia measures are often used in republications of classical music to give suggested interpretations of ornamentation. You could, for example, clarify this particular turn in an ossia measure to have the 5-tuplet turn.

I won't hold you to that though, since (1) it's a 2014 specific feature, and (2) I only just figured out how to do it myself in Finale as of yesterday.

You have my (^o^)=b
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: DonValentino on July 07, 2015, 09:33:31 AM
Quote from: Bespinben on July 07, 2015, 09:31:44 AMYou have my (^o^)=b

'Nuff said then~~
Title: Re: [NDS] Gyakuten Kenji 2 - "Yumihiko Ichiyanagi ~ First-Class Reasoning" by Maelstrom
Post by: Zeta on July 07, 2015, 09:33:38 AM
This submission has been accepted by DonValentino (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1068).

~Zeta, your friendly NSM-Bot