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Title: [DELETED] [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Zeta on November 02, 2015, 06:00:25 PM
Submission Information:

Series: Other
Game: Undertale
Console: PC
Title: Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: ThePopStarDude (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4745)
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Yug_Guy on November 02, 2015, 06:18:24 PM
Hey, good to see you submitting Undertale stuff! Just as a general rule, it's always a good idea to post a link to the song that you're submitting. But hey, nbd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z51lfE2k7jU
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Olimar12345 on November 02, 2015, 06:41:36 PM
I'm only on my phone, but avoid writing the rhythm in the LH as dotted quarter - dotted quarter - quarter. Write it as a dotted quarter - eighth tied to a quarter - quarter.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 03, 2015, 09:20:07 AM
I see. I'll edit that as soon as I can.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Bespinben on November 10, 2015, 09:38:17 AM
Might I suggest that instead of trying to play both the timpani and the (octave-lowered)tubular bells in separate layers in the LH, just play the timpani line in octaves. I say this because some of the power is lost otherwise.

I also suggest trying to determine the appropriate chords for each measure of 5-12, instead of inserting parallel 5ths in the melody that don't exist there.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 11, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
I see. I'll also do that. Thanks!
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 22, 2015, 04:17:22 PM
I've updated my .Mus and .Musx files. I decided to have octaves for the main melody, and full chords only with the whole notes.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Sebastian on November 22, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
Very good!
Why is the left hand of measures 5-12 in the 2nd layer?
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 23, 2015, 03:02:32 PM
Originally I had the tubular bells as whole notes in layer 1, then later removed them and added octaves for the timpani and forgot to move them to layer 1. Shouldn't be a problem, right?
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Sebastian on November 23, 2015, 10:36:55 PM
Unfortunately, according to the formatting guidelines, you shouldn't have things in other layers for no reason. If you have notepad it will take you a while to transfer it, but I can do it for you if you like. It's only one click for me.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 24, 2015, 02:44:27 PM
Thanks. And it's fine, I have Finale 2014 too. Anyway, I updated the .Musx and .Mus files (again).
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Sebastian on November 25, 2015, 01:07:38 AM
Looks nice! Let's see what the others think. *Doesn't say Updaters because that would be sassy*
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Dude on November 25, 2015, 01:16:08 AM
*Doesn't say Updaters because that would be sassy*
Stop.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: FireArrow on November 25, 2015, 07:42:02 AM
Since MLF has subtly decreed that only updaters may post now, I must put up my facade in order to sneak my opinion in!

(3 sexy green war medals)
- It would be nice to add "Grandiose" flavor text or something for the middle section. It's entirely optional, but there's a lot of contrast between the intro and the main part, so it would be nice to point that out to the performer.
-Try to notate in that stringy voice, the middle section doesn't have enough "umph" to it if you catch my drift.
-Double check those chords and remove the octaves, the melody is just one line with lots of underlining harmonies.
:J
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 25, 2015, 09:24:03 AM
I'll do that. I thought I'd add octaves to really bring out the middle part. I don't quite understand what you mean by notating in a stringy voice, but I'll try to add more oomph in there.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Sebastian on November 25, 2015, 03:18:02 PM
Since MLF has subtly decreed that only updaters may post now, I must put up my facade in order to sneak my opinion in!
Never said that.


(3 sexy green war medals)
- It would be nice to add "Grandiose" flavor text or something for the middle section. It's entirely optional, but there's a lot of contrast between the intro and the main part, so it would be nice to point that out to the performer.
-Try to notate in that stringy voice, the middle section doesn't have enough "umph" to it if you catch my drift.
-Double check those chords and remove the octaves, the melody is just one line with lots of underlining harmonies.
:J
Nice. This stuff will enhance the sheet awesomely!
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 29, 2015, 09:41:11 AM
I updated the .mus and .musx files. I got rid of the octaves and instead added accents. Feel free to critique as much as you want.
  I tried about 4 variations of each chord, and felt like these sound the closest/best for the original.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Sebastian on November 29, 2015, 02:56:53 PM
-Try to notate in that stringy voice, the middle section doesn't have enough "umph" to it if you catch my drift.
You didn't do this which I think you should, but it is optional.
Also
- The con fuoco is clashing with the notes in measure 5. Bring it up a bit.
- Also, could you shrink the staff down to 90%? That'd look more modern imo.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 29, 2015, 05:10:17 PM
You didn't do this which I think you should, but it is optional.
I don't know what you guys mean by notating in a stringy voice ;_; can someone explain?

I'll do all the other stuff.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Sebastian on November 29, 2015, 09:24:15 PM
I don't know what you guys mean by notating in a stringy voice ;_; can someone explain?
I think it's cool the way it is. Bespinben likes adding as many voices as possible, but we'll see what he thinks. ;)

Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Bespinben on November 30, 2015, 06:26:55 AM
I think it's cool the way it is. Bespinben likes adding as many voices as possible, but we'll see what he thinks. ;)
False.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 30, 2015, 06:46:00 AM
So, uhh, stringy voice or not? MLF seems to think it's fine the way it is, and FireArrow says I should do it.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Bespinben on November 30, 2015, 08:21:41 AM
This is how I personally would arrange the piece:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35209091/birdgap.PNG)

Part of being an arranger is to interpret lines to so that they are idiomatic of the piano. The pitfall of medieval era polyphonic compositions (i.e. organum) was their disjointedness and lack of attention to the character of the resulting harmonies of juxtaposed melodies. To repeat history would be to "add as many voices as possible" into an arrangement expecting it to sound good, but it just won't. Transposition, inversion, doubling... all are tools you have in this process of adapting a piece for the piano.

(By the way, in case it isn't obvious, playing the way I have arranged requires sustain pedal, and using both hands in the bass clef when indicated via dashed line).
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on November 30, 2015, 02:30:07 PM
 WELL, that certainly looks more... complicated. I can really see you're a veteran in music, not just theory but also history. I'll try my best in adding all that.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Latios212 on December 09, 2015, 07:16:26 PM
Bump? How's it going?
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on December 11, 2015, 05:24:14 PM
I've been in a few performances lately, and I could only start working on it today.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on December 15, 2015, 06:27:23 PM
I updated the .Mus file. My Finale 2014 trial ended, so no more .Musx files from now on.


This update was mainly to get all the new things in there. I know some of the chords and whatnot might not be perfect, but I'll change them if necessary. I couldn't add the pedal bar in the bottom with Notepad, so I'll do that later with Musescore.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on December 27, 2015, 05:10:12 PM
Bump, Updaters?
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: mastersuperfan on December 27, 2015, 05:11:52 PM
Flip Layers 1 and 2 in the left hand; the stems are all in the wrong directions.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on December 29, 2015, 12:14:07 PM
Yup, that's one of the things I realized Notepad can't do. I'll figure it out.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: ThePopStarDude on December 29, 2015, 12:22:02 PM
It seems I was wrong, I could do it on Notepad, just one at a time. .Mus and .PDF files have been updated.
Title: Re: [PC] Undertale - "Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap" by ThePopStarDude
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2015, 05:31:19 AM
With this now being an official project, EVERYONE REMOVE YOUR UNDERTALE SUBMISSIONS AND INSTEAD POST THEM HERE.

Free up your submissions for other pieces and get your Undertale arrangements all in one spot here:

http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7974.0