Since there was a lot of Zelda talk on the E3 thread, I decided to make a new thread for it so the E3 thread doesn't remain derailed forever.
Here's a few topics to get us started:
- When is Zelda U coming out?
- What games would you like to see?
- Do you want any more remakes?
- Later.
- Zelda U.
- Zelda U for NX.
I'd like to see a Spirit Tracks sequel. Or a game with a villain with an actual motivation beyond "taking over the world is cool LOL". LA, TWW and ALBW had the most interesting antagonists, in my humble opinion.
honestly I've always seen LoZ for the gameplay rather than the story
Yuga was a fabulous villian
"Yuga, Paras Paras Yuga!"
True. Maybe I'm just jaded because I've never been into a Zelda game unspoiled.
On a completely unrelated note, a few years ago, the GAME in Hamely's (this big toystore in London) had loads of new copies of Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland for some reason.
So it begins.
So what begins? Tingle? Yuga? Zelda U?
Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Takeover
Plot twist: the main antagonist of Zelda U is Tingle. =P
(Should I get Rupeeland? And why are the three age ratings all different?)
Does anyone else here have a soft spot for Spirit Tracks? I have an entire fanfic sequel planned out, but it's so convoluted that I can't seem to write it down... and I keep imagining it as an actual game, even though it realistically wouldn't work as one...
I have a soft spot for Spirit Tracks! :D
It was one of the few handheld titles of the series that I played diligently. I had Oracle of Seasons as a kid and the GBA version of ALttP (though I never got to try Four Swords because, you know, link cables and stuff), but I never internalized them as much as with Spirit Tracks. People dislike it for putting the transportation on rails, literally, but I actually love that. It lets you enjoy the scenery (which is actually decent) and enjoy the ride more. You also start to memorize the whole kingdom in a way. It feels like your home. Oh, and that music! Great game.
I like both the touch screen games, I was fine with that sort of thing.
I can't decide which I like more though because sailing is fun but so is the whip D:
My story with Spirit Tracks is... interesting.
I vaguely remember wanting to buy Spirit Tracks some time in 2010, but I didn't. While it was the first Zelda game I played, it wasn't the first one I owned. I had previously downloaded Four Swords and The Minish Cap onto my 3DS (which broke in October 2012; luckily, I got a new one), but was too nervous to play either of them. I almost brought Spirit Tracks one day in November 2011, but for some weird reason I was too nervous to buy that too. I decided to find out what the game was like... by looking up a YouTube video of Sky Tower, then clicking through related videos until I found some Spirit Tracks videos. Incidentally, even though I'm from England, I'm more used to the American names because of these videos. Also, between while looking for Spirit Tracks music, I discovered the A Link to the Past Soundtrack.
Anyway, through reading the comments on those videos, I learned more about the game... and eventually found out all the spoilers, with the help of ZeldaWiki. When I finally brought it on February 11th 2012, I didn't play it until the next day, then put the game down 12 days later and couldn't pick it back up again until August 2014. In the meantime, I watched the ending cutscene on YouTube multiple times. Oops.
Still, my nervousness about playing the game caused me to come up with lots of crazy ideas about what it would be like. While most of those ideas were completely wrong, they still gave me a sense of "wonder" about this game.
In the interval between Nov '11 and Feb '12, I also kept watching the trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-tJnmNP5ow&list=PL2AvyXVja4Hj4f8KXgLlyIsvT0BfKZyTl&index=2&nohtml5=False) on the Wii's Nintendo Channel (*MLG sad music plays*). The music completely blew my mind; I never thought I could like any video game music more than Sky Tower. I was wrong. I like the trailer version more than the in-game version.
I want another freaking Molgera Boss!
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on April 06, 2016, 01:24:29 PM(*MLG sad music plays*)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1qXQRpF08E
Here lies the Nintendo Channel.
2006 - 2013
(I think...)
Now that you mention it, I'd just like to see them reuse Molgera's boss theme in another game for another boss. At the very least, I'd like another Zelda game where every boss has a different theme.
bosses usually do have different themes now
I know Skyward Sword did with Koloktos being "that theme"
Well, only some games had different themes. The latest zelda game, triforce heroes, didn't have different themes. When the bosses have different themes, it feels good...
Tentalus and Scaldera from SS have the same theme.
yeah I know they got really lazy the boss of the skyview temple and the boss of the fire sanctuary have the same theme too
Aren't they both girahim though (girahim giraham girarororah?)
Still lazy though
I will feel really stupid if they're not
Koloktos was just *mwah* perfection
In regards to Zelda U being put on the NX, I would feel kind of cheated since we've been waiting so long for an actual wii u Zelda entry. We don't want hyrule warriors! We want classic Zelda
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on April 06, 2016, 02:25:11 PMAren't they both girahim though
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obviously it's been too long since I've played any Zelda game other than wind waker ._.
I still think Skyward Sword had a lot of effort put into the soundtrack, so I wouldn't call it lazy
ah but sarcasm
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Ok.......... I get it
i don't get it It's probably for the best that just went flying over my head :-\
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on April 06, 2016, 02:35:15 PMOk.......... I get it i don't get it
It's probably for the best that just went flying over my head :-\
The joke was that the reason the two bosses had the same theme was because they
were the same boss. Oh well.
I guess somebody had to post that.
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on April 06, 2016, 02:28:56 PMIn regards to Zelda U being put on the NX, I would feel kind of cheated since we've been waiting so long for an actual wii u Zelda entry. We don't want hyrule warriors! We want classic Zelda
Rumors are spreading that Zelda U will be a cross-platform release with the NX, sort of like Twilight Princess but without the gap between releases. Or maybe
with the gap between releases. IDK.
I love it when zelda (or any video game) re-incarnates bosses from previous games. Did anyone notice that the ice boss in triforce heroes, "Blizzagia" is just an ice version of Volvagia from the Fire Temple in Ocarina of Time?
The footage we saw at E3 all those years ago IS from the game, yes? Not just a demonstration of the Wii U's hardware?
If we're thinking of the same thing, yes... Unless you're thinking of that Twilight Princess thing, then no.
Shit about time we got a proper Zelda board, hi guys
I just can't wait for the new Zelda to come out. I will buy the console just for that game, whichever console they release it on.
God, I'm so excited for the new Zelda.
it'll be on the Wii U. I think we know enough to say that much.
Does your uncle work 4 nintendo?
My uncle is Nintendo.
^this guy gets me
I may have said it before somewhere but I would be pretty frosted if the new Zelda came out on NX rather than WiiU (not that I think it will). The anticipation for that game was one of my biggest reasons for getting a WiiU and if that gets shot down, I'm not going to be happy.
They said it was coming on the Wii U... But they never said it wasn't coming on the NX... They might pull a Twilight Princess on us and release the same game on the Wii U and on the NX as a launch.
Where was it stated that it's coming out on NX...? People on Zelda Universe have started calling it "Zwoonix", as if it's definitive fact that Zelda U will be multi-platform.
What do you think the Lorule versions of other games would be like? I asked this same question a while ago on another website (http://www.fimfiction.net/group/199479/zelda-crossovers/thread/236662/lorule-versions-of-other-games), and I actually got a really good response.
To start us off, I'll throw out ideas for Lorule Spirit Tracks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL1yrBQw-iw).
- This version of Ravio doesn't have unexplained seeing powers.
- Since there are no sages in Lorule, I assume there won't be any other special sevens. Which means no alternate universe Staven/Byrne/Grovyle/Bucky. D= (But also no apathetic, annoying old women! =D)
...I don't have many ideas.
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on April 07, 2016, 08:40:14 AMWhere was it stated that it's coming out on NX...? People on Zelda Universe have started calling it "Zwoonix", as if it's definitive fact that Zelda U will be multi-platform.
What do you think the Lorule versions of other games would be like? I asked this same question a while ago on another website (http://www.fimfiction.net/group/199479/zelda-crossovers/thread/236662/lorule-versions-of-other-games), and I actually got a really good response.
To start us off, I'll throw out ideas for Lorule Spirit Tracks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL1yrBQw-iw).
- This version of Ravio doesn't have unexplained seeing powers.
- Since there are no sages in Lorule, I assume there won't be any other special sevens. Which means no alternate universe Staven/Byrne/Grovyle/Bucky. D= (But also no apathetic, annoying old women! =D)
...I don't have many ideas.
I never said they confirmed it for the NX, just saying they never said it wouldn't come out on the NX.
I don't think they're going to go back to spirit tracks :P But they might go to the same land... Wait a second!!! Game theory time!!!
It wasn't a prediction it was imagination. Unfortunately, the Zelda series has a habit of introducing new ideas that we never see again outside of a few trophies in Smash Bros. And there aren't even any ALBW trophies.
So in Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, you went to the land of Termina. Game Theory already proved that Termina is just Link's death world... or is it? Link dies by falling down a tree trunk in the Lost Woods. In Ocarina of Time, you can warp to different areas of the game by going through trees in the Lost Woods... see where I'm going? Link fell down the tree trunk and was transported to the land of Termina, but he was dead. He went through a ghostly journey through the land seeing new places, but familiar faces.
The land of Termina consists of 5 areas: Clock Town, The forest/swamp, The snow/mountains, The ocean, and a desert/canyon. I'm bringing up land because guess what's in Spirit Tracks? A tower in the middle, a forest, a snow area, mountains, an ocean, and a desert... These lands are pretty similar. My theory states that the land of Termina and Hyrule from Spirit Tracks are the same. Link was transported to the Spirit Tracks Hyrule via Lost Woods, however, he was transported there in (1) a different timeline and (2) 200 years before the events of Spirit Tracks, so obviously the land would have changed and Link's vision of it was based off of his memories from Hyrule.
This is all I have, but if I put more research into rather than going solely off of memory, I might have more.
Nice spin on the New Hyrule-is-Termina theory! That one was fairly popular once.
Quote from: cashwarrior1 on April 07, 2016, 09:11:48 AMSo in Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, you went to the land of Termina. Game Theory already proved that Termina is just Link's death world... or is it? Link dies by falling down a tree trunk in the Lost Woods. In Ocarina of Time, you can warp to different areas of the game by going through trees in the Lost Woods... see where I'm going? Link fell down the tree trunk and was transported to the land of Termina, but he was dead. He went through a ghostly journey through the land seeing new places, but familiar faces.
unfortunately, this is a completely stupid theory cause it completely disregards the fact that skull kid was wearing majora's mask the entire time.
I thought Termina was a parallel of Hyrule, and not Hyrule itself. I don't buy into the "ooooo link is dead!! coma theory!" bullshit because it's cliche and stupid.
I like the Link is Dead theory video (mainly because of PBG), but I don't like how people on Miiverse try to pass it off as fact.
Should I make a remix of Minish Village? I've put a snippet of it into two of my remixes already, but both times the audio went all weird around the part it was inserted because of the instrument plugin thingy I was using.
I didn't know that was a theory. :o
I accept every Game Theory theory just 'cause... I don't know any better...
Also yes, do a remix on Minish Village... I think that song is fairly addictive.
I believe he's alive, but that's just me.
Plot twist: it wasn't Link who starred in Majora's Mask, it was my OC, Lonk! =P
(Speaking of which, I named Link "Honk" when I first played A Link Between Worlds because of a post on the screenshot-captioning thread on Zelda Universe.)
Was it Lonk from Pennsylvania?
Hey how about my theory?
The moon was going to crash in Hyrule so Link was trying to escape w/ Skull Kid but Skull Kid drank some strong juice and put on a mask. Link jumped down the tree to escape inevitable doom, but the moon shrunk to tiny size and followed him in. Then the moon put on the Giant's mask and went in the sky but the gravity was too strong so it bounced a signal off mars onto the sun and back to Termina and the result was the moon crashing into terminal.
It's so flawless it must be trueeeeeeeeeee lolololol jk
I'm preeeetty sure it's just a parallel dimension similar to the dark world, but not in a "fallen" state
we don't need to make twisted hypotheses about everything
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 07, 2016, 11:09:25 AMI'm preeeetty sure it's just a parallel dimension similar to the dark world, but not in a "fallen" state
we don't need to make twisted hypotheses about everything
I agree tbh, this is how I've always seen Termina, a parallel dimension that is doomed to end because of the moon falling and such. That's why there's so many people who look familiar to Hylians, but they aren't the same.
Quote from: Nebbles on April 07, 2016, 11:03:40 AMWas it Lonk from Pennsylvania?
Actually, it was Honk from Hamsylvania. =P
I once saw a theory (on ZeldaWiki of all places) that Termina was made of bits of every other Zelda location that had come through wormholes. I also once saw a theory that Bulbins originated from New Hyrule, and migrated to TP Hyrule on the Child Timeline, but they didn't migrate on the Adult Timeline because of the flood.
Also, according to TV Tropes, Spirit Tracks and Twilight Princess have the same plot. Um...
...is that in the theory section of TvTropes? Because, uh... I played both and that sounds silly.
It was on the main Spirit Tracks page. Apparently, Fullmetal Alchemist with less violence is the same thing as saving the world from the black rectangle dimension...?
...sure, tvtropes. ok.
Then again, TV Tropes also once said that Princess Daisy's Japanese name is Peach, which isn't true (http://legendsoflocalization.com/qa-was-princess-daisy-originally-princess-toadstoolpeach/). It did make me wonder what would happen if the timelines converged, mind.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 07, 2016, 11:09:25 AMI'm preeeetty sure it's just a parallel dimension similar to the dark world, but not in a "fallen" state
we don't need to make twisted hypotheses about everything
The only that doesn't make sense is how there's a sky beneath the lost woods which takes my theory come in play, that Link was transported to there through Lost Woods tree teleportation. But I guess we'll have to go with what Nintendo intended in the game, ugh... Link got high.
believe ALL the stories
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Quote from: cashwarrior1 on April 07, 2016, 11:31:54 AMThe only that doesn't make sense is how there's a sky beneath the lost woods which takes my theory come in play, that Link was transported to there through Lost Woods tree teleportation. But I guess we'll have to go with what Nintendo intended in the game, ugh... Link got high.
...how is that intended in the game at all?
Some crazy stuff happens when he falls down the trunk...
So some trippy stuff = Link was high as a kite? I think someone's projecting a little.
Yeah, I don't buy that for a second.
Quote from: Dudeman on April 07, 2016, 04:01:11 PMSo some trippy stuff = Link was high as a kite? I think someone's projecting a little.
Though I'm sure that being high
while playing the game would make it a totally different experience.
Technically you get low... 'cause you fall down a tree. Get it?
look, the only thing I know for sure is that there's this palace on the bottom of the ocean called Hyrule and I went there in my magic talking dragon boat.
RIP Hyrule Castle
RIP King of Hyrule
RIP Ganondorf
RIP Master Sword
You will all be missed... Except for you Master Sword, you're more annoying than Navi.
the ending scene with daphnes was soooo sad
don't remind me i almost cried
I never cry.
"So I think I will return to the ocean now, in the company of my old enemy Ganonspork."
I once saw a joke-theory that the Master Sword lost its power in The Wind Waker because Fi left it and became the Fairy Queen.
Lol. She grew four arms when she drank some fairies.
Also, from Twilight Princess: "The sword accepted you as its master..."
I once saw a YouTube comment which had SS Link saying "Oh Fi, you couldn't help it" in heaven.
Quote from: cashwarrior1 on April 08, 2016, 07:59:14 AMLol. She grew four arms when she drank some fairies.
the fairy queen isn't the Great Fairies. You never see her ingame
Oh, I thought she was the great fairies, my bad. :o
Someone brought up the subject of a female Link on ZU... oh boy. *gets out marshmallows*
You do see the Fairy Queen in-game. She's inside Mother Isle, where you get the fire and ice arrows.
wrong. That's yet another puppet.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 08, 2016, 09:31:21 AMwrong. That's yet another puppet.
...are you sure about that? Fairly certain that that's the fairy queen. Check the figurine, or Hyrule Historia, or something. I'm also almost certain she introduces herself as the Fairy Queen when you meet her before getting your magical arrows.
ZeldaWiki says that she
could be controlled by a greater, unseen entity,
but... it's unconfirmed.
Discuss. Reminds me, when I imagine one of my fanfics as an actual Zelda game, I imagine it with voice acting... with an American English dub so hammy that it almost seems like a parody of itself. =P
c'mon have you even watched the cutscene
at the end the "fairy queen" goes completely limp. If that ain't a puppet, I don't know what is
Puppets do seem to be a big thing in WW.
http://cirno99.tumblr.com/post/142476402211/lordsatanofficial-really-loving-tphd-so-far
Omg I didn't know you could do this??
best game best game 10/10
Malo's not human.
He's the best character in the game though
He single-handedly took all your ruppies and made you break a bunch of innocent people's pots.
Fun fact: when Ravio moves into Link's house, he gets rid of the pots. c;
Then he sets the Majora's Mask he got from another timeline in place of said pots.
I once saw a headcanon that the Happy Mask Salesman is aware of there being multiple timelines, and I have a joke headcanon that Tingle does too. Does Ravio?
EDIT: I made a thing!
I think that Ravio doesn't know. I think the most suspicious person is the happy mask salesman. Or maybe even the post man from various games.
Did Ravio get Majora's Mask from a fortune cookie? =P Reminds me, when I first saw Phantom Hourglass, I thought it looked like Animal Crossing.
What should I call the Minish Village remix?
Quote from: cashwarrior1 on April 08, 2016, 02:39:38 PMMalo's not human.
Quote from: Nebbles on April 08, 2016, 02:44:44 PMHe's the best character in the game though
For the longest time soon after the game came out I could never seem to tell what gender Malo was. I figured male cuz everyone used male pronouns for him in the game.
Malo is male. Just like Yuga is aguY.
I dunno what you should call you remix :P Not good at making names.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Malo
That says Malo is human
I seem to remember someone saying that Majora's Mask in ravio's house was an easter egg and wasn't canon
Peoples take easter eggs so seriously
I have friends who actually believe that it's 100 percent canon (why are they my friends?)
Reminds me of how people take the line in Phantom Hourglass when Joanne says that she's been searching for Linebeck for a hundred years way too seriously. I almost also typo'd Linebeck as "Lonebeck".
Also, the "We are in another world. We must get back to the world of the Ocean King!" line never made much sense to me. Who said it? Weren't they in the World of the Ocean King when they said it? Why did it take Nintendo 27 years to label the textboxes in Zelda games?
Sorry if I get this wrong but wasn't Linebeck something like Linebeck III or am i making this up ._.
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on April 09, 2016, 11:24:55 AMSorry if I get this wrong but wasn't Linebeck something like Linebeck III or am i making this up ._.
Linebeck III is the version of Linebeck that appears in Spirit Tracks. PH's Linebeck was his grandfather. You visit his grave for a key or something.
Linebeck I gives Linebeck III the instructions to find the regal ring to sell to the bridge builder. The builder wanted 5,000 rupees, but the regal ring sells for 2,500...
What happened to Linkbeck II? He visited the world of Hytopia! (Subject change) I think Triforce Heroes happens in between Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. Why? Because when they find this new continent, explorers are sent out. Eventually they all find Hytopia and blah blah blah story happens. There is a story book at the end of the game which means it's a story being told. This could possibly be a story being told to kids by Niko after the events of Spirit Tracks. Come on Nintendo, when are you going to update the Hyrule Historia?
I thought it was confirmed that it happens 7 (or several) years after ALBW, and it's not like ALBW is in between those two games (forgive me if I'm mistaken)
Really? I didn't hear about that :P
Quote from: Zeila on April 09, 2016, 06:24:58 PMI thought it was confirmed that it happens 7 (or several) years after ALBW, and it's not like ALBW is in between those two games (forgive me if I'm mistaken)
This is almost true. TFH takes place a good century or so (read:indeterminately long amount of time) after ALBW, which takes place a good century or so after ALttP. It was confirmed by Aonuma, I think, in an interview a little before the game's release.
EDIT: Actually, TFH might be that close to ALBW, on second thought. Don't remember.
What they didn't explain is where all these Links came from. I mean, how many Zeldas are there!?!
yall are wrong
TFH is a direct sequel to ALBW. That is the same link from ALBW, who traveled to Hytopia to hide from all the people in hyrule.
...Or something like that.
on Zelda Wii U:
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/04/rumour_more_claims_made_for_new_legend_of_zelda_on_wii_u_and_nx_gender_choice_for_playable_character
please no I would hate Zelda forever
Come on. Link was always supposed to be a blank slate for the player. I don't see why giving him the option to be female, especially in a game this big, is a bad thing.
Honestly Link is such a pretty boy they wouldn't have to change much
there's really no point to have a gender choice
but really? Voice acting too? That'd just ruin it for me
There's no point in not having a gender choice. If this is a new Link, it'd make sense that Link might be a boy or a girl. Heredity, yo.
What dungeons do you want to see in a fresh Zelda title? I think we need some more imaginative forest temples, since the only one I really enjoyed was OoT's forest temple. SS forest temple was kind of boring to me but you got to use the beetle I suppose
Honestly, as much as I'd like to see voice acting in a Zelda game, these recent leaks are so un-Nintendo-ish that they sound like someone's wish list. =/
As for dungeons, The Minish Cap and Skyward Sword have some of my favourite dungeons in the series because they're so creative. *Remembers Lanayru Mining Facility* Or not...
Lanyard mining facility was awesome.... I thought
The puzzles weren't really puzzles though, more like things that felt like you were forced to do it so you could hurry up and get on with the story
The music in Lanayru Mining Facility was way too repetitive (you need to be some kind of anti-wizard to make music that sounds more repetitive than the Phantom Hourglass field theme), I kept getting knocked into pits by beamos, the interior just looks bland, and it goes on for ages. Thankfully, there's also Ancient Cistern, a water dungeon that isn't confusing, with awesome music and a unique theme.
Hmmm I like ancient cistern too, but it didn't feel like a water dungeon to me, probably because it was the second Zelda game I played after OoT.
On the subject of lanayru mining facilities Timestone mechanic, what do you think about it being reused in the sandship. I felt the Sandship is by far THE best Zelda dungeon but so far have not met someone who agrees with me :/
I don't remember the Sandship very well, but I really liked the sailing part before it. I also really like the Lanayru area, because of the robots (they're my second-favourite Zelda race after the Minish, because they're such an interesting concept) and (the rest of) the music.
Bells? Woodwinds? Emotional? Yes please.
For a 3D Zelda game, they need to make a dungeon with any theme that is not inside, but more out in the open like the pirate ship from Majora's Mask.
For a 2D Zelda game, they should make a dungeon that you go through it twice or a couple times, like mermaid's cave from Oracle of Ages.
I kept thinking of Sky, Desert, Mining, and forest when these are pretty over-used.
Minecarts. We need more minecarts. Unless they're like the minecarts in Oracle of Seasons. I'm not very good at that game.
Wait... I just realized... are the timeshift stones basically Oracle of Ages lite?
The focus for Zelda Wii U is "rethinking set entry points to dungeons", or something equally mission-statement. We saw a clip of a race on Hyrule Field with some eye guy.
Anyway, the gender thing obviously doesn't affect me, since I'll just continue to choose male but anyone who thinks voice acting would be a good idea should go play star fox or something and leave Zelda alone!
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 10, 2016, 12:48:01 PMThe focus for Zelda Wii U is "rethinking set entry points to dungeons", or something equally mission-statement. We saw a clip of a race on Hyrule Field with some eye guy.
I think how Aonuma worded it is that he wanted actually getting to each area/dungeon to be a puzzle in and of itself, and having multiple entrances to a dungeon is just part of that. Makes the world seem bigger and allows for individualized adventures.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 10, 2016, 12:48:01 PMAnyway, the gender thing obviously doesn't affect me, since I'll just continue to choose male but anyone who thinks voice acting would be a good idea should go play star fox or something and leave Zelda alone!
Why do you think Zelda would be better off without voice acting? (side-note that the leak says that all characters
besides Link would have voices, and I think that's the way it should be) It's so story heavy already that, honestly, voice acting would bring in players who get bored by endless textboxes (I'm looking at you, Kaepora Gaebora) and give NPC's even more character. I loved Twilight Princess because nearly every side character was memorable. I think voices would enhance that.
Ever seen the Skyward Sword fandubs?
If I knew how to edit videos, I'd play Partner's Theme, Enveloped in Light and Time to Part Ways from Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon over the cutscene in Skyward Sword where Zelda explains the backstory and all that.
I like imagining each character with their own voice. Plus, voice acting takes SOOOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG
That's a good point. If they put voice acting into a Zelda game, it'll take forever to come out in Europe.
I find the categories for Spirit Tracks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Spirit_Tracks) on Wikipedia kind of funny because they make it sound a lot darker than it actually is (well...). Someone needs to take a screenshot of it, without showing the rest of the page, and show it to someone who's never played the game.
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on April 10, 2016, 01:05:44 PMThat's a good point. If they put voice acting into a Zelda game, it'll take forever to come out in Europe.
that's um... not what I meant. It makes the dialogue take forever because you have to wait for the dumb voice to stop going
...Then have it so voice acting plays over gameplay? I don't really know, the only game with voice acting I've played all the way through is The Legend of Spyro: A New Beginning, and that game's really short. Most of the length comes from the sidekick's failed attempts to be funny. =/
see, there's no point to voice acting. It's like listening to an audiobook while reading along. Yuck.
Instead of going on a rant about voice acting, just realize that (1) this is just a leak, it might not be true, (2) voice acting does not change any form of gameplay, and (3) you could just not have sound on if you like to read text boxes so much. (You want to listen to the music? Find it online or just deal with it.)
oh, it better not be true. It's a great way to ruin a Zelda game.
I don't see how it ruins a Zelda game, but we all have different opinions. I honestly think that the Temple of the Ocean King is an awesome dungeon, not everyone does, opinions!
Zelda has always been without voice acting. That's how the game is. It needs to stay that way, otherwise it's not Zelda.
Zelda with voice acting would feel really out of place and odd. I'm not for it, but I'd still get the game and all.
Just 'cause a game changes from it's original formula does not make it no the same game. I mean, Zelda 2 is completely differnt but it's still "Zelda".
Sure, but most people don't refer to it as "true Zelda." I've hardly played it and I'll be just fine not ever playing it.
Well, some people are probably definitely insane.
Lol Zelda 2 is such a weird game, the only reason it's a Zelda game is because it didn't have a formula to stick to
Zelda 1 didn't have a formula? I'm just saying, Nintendo can do whatever they want and you better be happy about it, or I'll find you...
That's like saying pi was discovered after drawing the first circle
Not really, but whatever :P. Anyways, what's your favorite Zelda game and why? Mine is Spirit Tracks because... Childhood. (I need to think about this, expect a paragraph later)
Wind Waker!
Wind walker cause it has the best art best story best gameplay and still has great music. The character development is a+ too
I'm currently doing a playthrough of wind waker on the gamecube at my Grandma's house whenever I go. I'm on the part where you first get bombs.
I beat The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Picross and it's the first Zelda game I've ever beaten
Dude the cursed sea part is the best section of any video game ever. Never have I wanted to make progress in a game as much as I did there
I feel like I'm one of the few people who doesn't really care about the sailing. I love the Great Sea music a lot, and you can just teleport around the ocean later on anyway with the Ballad of Gales.
Quote from: Nebbles on April 10, 2016, 04:41:20 PMI feel like I'm one of the few people who doesn't really care about the sailing. I love the Great Sea music a lot, and you can just teleport around the ocean later on anyway with the Ballad of Gales.
Was this on the Gamecube version, the HD remake, or both? The swift sail does help things, but there were times when I too just wanted to be places.
Twilight Princess is my favorite; I think I said that earlier in this topic.
Swift sail is in the HD version. I don't like sailing in the Wind Waker much, (I sailed from Windfall to Outset just to realize I forgot to get bombs so I had to sail back to Windfall.) but I enjoyed sailing in Phantom Hourglass. Maybe I'm just too lazy to keep my hand on the controller when in Phantom Hourglass I could just watch my self and spam jump and the canon. :P
Twilight Princess is my second fav, followed by Majora's Mask.
Sailing was very cool and I actually like sailing irl too. Nothing wrong with taking time to get somewhere
To me, I felt like a lot of Wind Waker was about the journey. You took a while to arrive at the destination, but you explored so much, met so many people, discovered so many things, it felt rewarding to sail from place to place. The music was grand and majestic, much like the journey you're on.
If you listen to the ost it does an amazing job of telling the story. No single thing about the game is the very best like No one ever was, but it wouldn't be inaccurate to call the game flawless. Its the hidden gem of Zelda games tbh
I feel like a lot of people debunk it for the sailing and art style and don't go past that much in terms of complaints. I mean, to be fair, they CAN be valid complaints but not if it's the only thing you can say, and don't have a proper answer when someone asks you "but why".
Even the triforce fetchquest which apparently aonuma apologized for was absolutely perfect. It was literally a treasure hunt and the aesthetic meshes so well with the rest of the game- pirates, princesses, hideouts, sailing, sunken treasure!
inb4 triforce quest
NINJA'D DAMMIT
Ka
Ka
Ka.
I watched my brother play through Wind Waker and I remember the fetch quest, he never beat it. I don't dislike the game, it's in my top 5 but I just don't like sailing that much.. well, just sailing in the dark, actually.
But the thing is, it doesn't feel the like the dark. You'll always find somewhere to explore.
That's the whole point of the game. Exploration, venturing into the unknown...
finding a cool island with a cool little puzzle with cool treasure n stuff
Gettin' dem collectibles...
let's just stream the two of us playing wind waker together cus dang bro
The "We're the only two people who like sailing" WW stream ft. Nebbles and Noc
the only downside is no one would watch cause all we do is sail
we could have that song that just shouts SAIL in the background
perfect
...what song is that?
found it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgIqecROs5M&nohtml5=False
Speaking of The Wind Waker, I suddenly became demotivated from writing this WW-based fanfic, and I don't know how to get back to writing it...
What was the fanfic about?
The Wind Waker, except everyone is a Pokémon. (https://fictionpad.com/author/NitroIndigo/stories/34545/Secret-of-the-Great-Sea) I've even written down plans for the sequels. I currently need to write the scene where you meet Ganonspork in the Forsaken Fortress.
Wow, you're really into Zelda :P I just into for the dungeons and bosses.
Dungeon crawlers are always fun games
I'm not sure I approve of a wind waker x pokemon fanfic :/
If you think I'm really into Zelda, you should check out Zelda Universe forums.
Does anyone else like Phantom Hourglass? If I'm ever able to, I'll make a video about my thoughts of it. No promises, though.
Never played it, not sure I'd want to. It would probably be a trade off between playing Spirit Tracks or Phantom Hourglass
I love phantom hourglass
Phantom Hourglass was my first Zelda game, I think it was pretty fun and challenging, but for an experienced Zelda player, it's very easy and probably boring. It's most enjoyed while traveling in my opinion.
I'm doing a Majora's Mask presentation next week, and I'm really excited.
A Majora's Mask presentation? Who, what, when, where, why, how?
It's a Well Played session for my internship this semester. I'm basically taking a deeper look into Majora's Mask, thematically, instead of a "it's a fun game" route. While the gameplay of cycling through time directly correlates to the story, I'm trying to hone in some aspects of the story that I feel often are overlooked.
Death is inedible.
fuck you, I eat death all the time
With your lucky charms?
I dunno, death is pretty delicious.
I haven't had it, where could I get some?
Maybe the emphasis on day-to-day life? Like, you're constantly doing sidequests and actually interacting with townsfolk every day
I say forget the citizens and just do the dungeons.
Oh yeah, I was gonna talk about it how it's really about the people of Termina in the end. Link goes more as an unsung hero, hardly anyone remembers or acknowledges his deeds, only if you did their quests on the last cycle and whatnot. It's about the townsfolk dealing with the end of the world, their last moments, the last things they want to do before the moon falls. Whether they accept or deny death makes them unique, and the way they do it. Anju and Kafei accept their death, knowing they'll be happy in death together. The mayor refuses to believe because he wants the carnival to be a success, but perhaps deep down knows that the moon is going to fall, and nothing can be done.
It's a hopeless town, until Link comes along. How he exactly ended up in Termina is, well, still up for debate, right?
Were you thinking about touching on each of Termina's main areas representing the five stages of grief? It's almost necessary material to cover when doing a Majora's Mask analysis.
I'm familiar with that, I just need to see it again.
Quote from: Nebbles on April 11, 2016, 07:08:43 PMIt's a hopeless town, until Link comes along. How he exactly ended up in Termina is, well, still up for debate, right?
Well, it's not inconceivable that he ended up in Termina exactly as the game presents it (he falls down a tree) since, if he was dead, surely everybody else would be dead, and then they wouldn't be afraid of dying cause the moon.....?
I prefer to take Majora's Mask at face value- that is, he warped there similarly to how he would warp to any other spot. Nothing funky happening
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 12, 2016, 10:28:12 AMI prefer to take Majora's Mask at face value- that is, he warped there similarly to how he would warp to any other spot. Nothing funky happening
Yeah, I think we get a lot of overanalysing these days, and don't get me wrong, I like it but let's just stick to Hyrule Historia hm?
ps nocturne ur not a grommett
but python is my favorite language D:
I had a bad experience with it last term because of our teacher (Mr. Mahmood) because he can't teach at all
Also I'll correct the grommetts/grommets thing if ur that bothered lol
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 12, 2016, 10:28:12 AMI prefer to take Majora's Mask at face value- that is, he warped there similarly to how he would warp to any other spot. Nothing funky happening
If anything, he got warped there on purpose to save Termina. By who? Who knows.
@Nebbles: Link was sent to Termina to save it? Termina Mystery Dungeon is my favourite game series. =P
We should start overanalysing another Zelda game. How about Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland?
Also, I've said this before, but the Spirit Tracks story trailer has the best music ever and if you disagree then that's your opinion.
Please not tingle, anything but tingle
KALOO-LIMPAH!
Okay, how about overanalysing Spirit Tracks instead?
Does anyone else think that the DS games would be better if they were a whole new IP, but otherwise the same? People wouldn't hate them as much, for starters.
Quote from: Nebbles on April 12, 2016, 10:37:08 AMKALOO-LIMPAH!
NOoooooOoooOooooooOOooooooOOooo....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ItLWe8Pse5CqA/giphy.gif)
*kooloo limpah
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on April 12, 2016, 10:39:47 AMNOoooooOoooOooooooOOooooooOOooo....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ItLWe8Pse5CqA/giphy.gif)
My point still stands
According to Official Nintendo Magazine's readers in 2011, Tingle is the most popular Zelda character. Um... who voted in that poll...? (At least Makar was on the list...)
He's been giving out freshly picked rosy ruppeeeeees
(and maps)
everyone loves tingle though, the poll is accurate
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on April 12, 2016, 10:39:47 AMNOoooooOoooOooooooOOooooooOOooo....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ItLWe8Pse5CqA/giphy.gif)
no matter how many times I have to post this.... I will not surrender!
You can't deny your love for Tingle.
Quote from: Ōkami~MD on April 12, 2016, 10:39:47 AMNOoooooOoooOooooooOOooooooOOooo....
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ItLWe8Pse5CqA/giphy.gif)
I warned you......
Who is Tingle's Lorulian counterpart? =P
Lame joking aside, the "voice acting isn't right for Zelda" argument is invalid, because:
Starting from 1:25.
But we never got Navi Trackers. Besides, it did seem out of place (like the mog commentary on theatrhythm final fantasy)
Quote from: Nitro Indigo on April 12, 2016, 11:20:29 AMWho is Tingle's Lorulian counterpart? =P
Lame joking aside, the "voice acting isn't right for Zelda" argument is invalid, because:
Starting from 1:25.
All I'm hearing is a voice that DOES NOT sound like tetra
But what does Tetra sound like?
Also, role-reversals. Discuss.
Honestly I see no problem with voice acting in Zelda as long as Link doesn't talk.
Quote from: ZeldaWiki Wind Waker articleLink yells "Come on!" when he calls Medli, Makar, or a statue. This marked The Wind Waker as the only canon Zelda game to date in which Link has spoken in actual words until the release of Twilight Princess, in which Link can be heard yelling "Giddy-up!" as he rides Epona. In The Adventure of Link, a textbox does say "I found a mirror under the table" at one point, but the Japanese version used no pronouns and is written in much the same way as the "You got" speeches (that is, it's from Link's perspective, but not him speaking). Other characters also speak actual English words, most notably Beedle, who says "Welcome!", "Thank you!" and "Bye!".
As for role-reversals, I sometimes like to imagine a Spirit Tracks AU where Link gets hit by the Ebil
[sic] Purple Laser while protecting Zelda. Maybe it could go with another (http://kaialone.deviantart.com/art/Demon-Byrne-495834871) AU (http://kaialone.deviantart.com/art/Lokomo-Cole-495834710) I've seen?
What do they mean? Link speaks in every game, he says "Hyah!"
But that's not full-blown talking. Need I remind everyone of "EXCUUUSE ME PRINCESS"
WELL EXCUSE ME FAIRYLESSBOY!
the lack of voice acting in Zelda is something that shouldn't change, 100%.
Personally, I don't care if Nintendo puts voice acting or gender change-ability in Zelda, it's still a Zelda game and I'll still play and enjoy it... if I had a WII U
Overall voice acting gives video games a more cinematic experience (I'd hope at least) and I think Nintendo would rather see Zelda be enjoyed first and foremost as its own medium, then a cinematic, rather than embellishing the cinematic qualities of the game series (which I do really enjoy, but in its own special way).
I agree. Zelda has its own distinct medium, and seeing it change drastically would be really, really weird.
how about if they incorporated cinematic action into boss fights such as what we see in Final Fantasy XIII-2
Ew, no. No quicktime events, pretty pretty please.
why not?
Because they'd be stupidly out of place, and that's not how Zelda combat should work, ever.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 13, 2016, 07:36:18 PMOverall voice acting gives video games a more cinematic experience (I'd hope at least) and I think Nintendo would rather see Zelda be enjoyed first and foremost as its own medium, then a cinematic, rather than embellishing the cinematic qualities of the game series (which I do really enjoy, but in its own special way).
For me I like not having any voices because when I see a new Link, I can imagine a new voice for him that suits. It helps the new Link grow on me that much faster and that much more personally.
Quote from: BoywithoutaFairy on April 13, 2016, 08:37:45 PMwhy not?
press X to pay respects
...in all seriousness, quicktime events sacrifice gameplay for the sake of "looking cool." They require little to no effort, they aren't innovative, they don't evolve the combat, and they suck any skill required out of a series whose combat revolves around an element of puzzle-solving and skill. I don't want my combat to be "press the B button repeatedly to win!"
tap A quickly to NOT DIE AS FASTEDIT: Finally, QTE's also move games away from games and towards movies. There's a reason that one of my friends described MGS4 as "the best movie I've ever played." (Okay, to be fair, that was just because of the enormous amount of cutscenes. But it can apply in the gameplay department too.) A game needs to immerse the player, and a few button presses every now and then detract from the experience, not enhance it.
Exactly. Zelda games rely on your actual skill. It tests you as much as it tests Link, and doing QTE events would strip Zelda games of that quality.
that's why adventure games will always be better than RPGs, because there's not freaking level up system
That's another good point. In RPG's, you eventually reach a point where nothing is challenging anymore because you grinded (grinded? ground?) up to a point where you can decimate everything in your path. Zelda is great because the difference between early area difficulty and late area difficulty is decided by puzzle complexity and how much damage an enemy does. The only real "level increases" you get are more health, magic/more magic, and usually a stronger sword. That means that you can go back to early areas without thinking "great, here's the tutorial area with all the sucky enemies that I'll have to wade through now."
But then there's the waiting... (I don't have a big problem with it, but, just for talking about)
Completely off current topic but I'm stuck on phantom hourglass. I have the cannon and i still can't go to the northwestern sea. What do i do?
do you have the shovel
I suspect you will need the shovel
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstream1.gifsoup.com%2Fview6%2F2508822%2Fshotgun-shovel-o.gif&hash=ac8a78e6bf260c5f554634bd4ac00f2bc5e4ebc6)
I remember that part, I was stuck on it from like 2007 until the release of Spirit Tracks.
Spoiler
Break the rocks to get to the west side of the first map, go to the first visible island, get a shovel and start digging under some trees.
for some reason i forgot that it was possible to break rocks with the cannon
...what else would you use the cannon for?
murdering enemies
You don't murder enemies, you tap them to death.
Quote from: cashwarrior1 on April 14, 2016, 07:08:14 PMYou don't murder enemies, you tap them to death.
or you can shoot them with an arrow
Zelda Wii U and Zelda NX are both delayed to March 2017, as well as the NX release delayed to March 2017. There will be a Wii U demo at E3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPR11g1l_Vw
Well, it better be good at this point.
It better be, since Zelda U is the only game that Nintendo will be demoing on the show floor.
Let me repeat that. The only game Nintendo is letting people play at E3 is Zelda U.
If this game doesn't blow the competition out of the water, they are screwed.
At least we have some official art now! So that's a thing.
I kind of want to make a YouTube review(?) of the DS games. Problem is, I can't really afford any fancy editing software, but Mr. Enter does just fine with Windows Movie Maker...
You don't need fanceh stuffs. It's better to attract a crowd before spending money on this. If you're not doing for the views/fame, then I wouldn't worry about fanceh stuffs.
Do you have a device to record DS games?
Indigo rambles about Phantom Hourglass: coming to a YouTube near you once I get a headset.
I'll probably ask a let's player for footage.
Are there let's players who use emulators? Jc since it's an option but a debatable one that I'm not necessarily suggesting
Emulators are legal as long as you own a physical copy of the game
Don't bash on Phantom Hourglass! It's my childhood!
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 27, 2016, 02:01:56 PMEmulators are legal as long as you own a physical copy of the game
No one needs to know.
Quote from: cashwarrior1 on April 27, 2016, 03:35:22 AMZelda Wii U and Zelda NX are both delayed to March 2017, as well as the NX release delayed to March 2017. There will be a Wii U demo at E3.
I'm genuinely worried at this point: if they need to delay it so many times to "improve the quality," that means they couldn't get it right the first time... or the time after that, or...
wait why is Zelda Wii U delayed till 2017? They LITERALLY JUST SAID 2016
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on April 27, 2016, 07:50:59 PMwait why is Zelda Wii U delayed till 2017? They LITERALLY JUST SAID 2016
'Cause NX cross release. NX comes out in March of next year.
"literally" what that announcement was like four months ago
I consider that "just"
So they're finally selling Wind Waker batons! Cool!
Too bad they come 40 bucks a pop.
Quote from: Nebbles on April 27, 2016, 08:04:24 PMSo they're finally selling Wind Waker batons! Cool!
Too bad they come 40 bucks a pop.
pash that's worth 40 bucks easy
I agree, but sadly as someone who has no job and asks her parents for things, I don't think I can convince my mom for 40 bucks for a plastic stick.
IT'S NOT JUST A PLASTIC STICK
IT'S A MAGIC PLASTIC STICK
I CAN CONTROL THE WINDS, MOM, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
LIKE, HEAR ME OUT, MAN, I WAVE THE STICK AND IT CONTROLS THE WIND, RIGHT, AND THEN I GO ON ADVENTURES WITH MY TALKING BOAT, AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE BIRD PEOPLE WHO BRING ME LETTERS
AND THERES THIS MAGIC CASTLE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN THAT I WENT TO WITH THAT TALKING DRAGON BOAT YOU KNOW IT'S TOTALLY WORTH IT
ALSO THE PIRATE CHICK I MET IS A PRINCESS SOMEHOW SO THAT'S COOL
I ALSO GET TO MEET A TALKING TREE WHO HAS LEAF KIDS, THAT WAS THE BEST DAY EVER
THEY'RE ALSO REALLY GOOD MUSICIANS
WHY IS EVERYONE SHOUTING
I WANT TO SHOUT TOO, YOU KNOW
BOB QUIT LAST WEEK.
I'll probably ask ZeldaMaster for PH footage, eventually. DidYouKnowGaming gets footage from let's plays...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on April 27, 2016, 09:53:25 PMWHY IS EVERYONE SHOUTING
I WANT TO SHOUT TOO, YOU KNOW
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You can have the wind waker, gees.
Quote from: cashwarrior1 on April 28, 2016, 12:55:02 PMYou can have the wind waker, gees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KUbhnd9pXY
I tried doing a remix of the Ocean King's Theme once, but I couldn't get it to sound right for some reason. Should I try again?
I wish I could go into a Zelda game spoiler-free one day. I read most of ZeldaWiki back in 2011...
I went into the oracle games spoiler free... that didn't last long.
Well, with all the Zelda talk in the "What games are you playing?" thread, I wanted to talk more about zelda, so I'm reviving this!
What's your favorite final boss in Zelda?
Depends.
Are you asking for final boss of the game or the dungeon?
Of the game. I consider dungeon bosses "bosses", I forgot other people don't :P.
Hm... I'm fond of Wind Waker's.
Although it's not my favorite, Ocarina of Time's final boss does a really good job at completing the atmosphere of the entire game.
Wind wakers is objectively the best between the mechanic, aesthetic, and story implication
Wind Waker's is pretty solid. IMO Spirit Tracks' final boss is comparable to Wind Waker's.
EDIT: Shoot, Twilight Princess has a really good one as well!
Thanks for clarifying. I consider what I guess you'd call mini bosses to bosses and the there's the final boss of the dungeon and final boss of the game
That said while I have played nearly all of the Zelda Series I've only completed OoT and I felt like the boss battle just disappointing (hell I had more fun fighting bongo bongo and twinrova. )
List of Zelda games I have played enough of to formulate an opinion on:
List of Zelda games I have played that I like:
Even though it was way too easy, and didn't fit with the dungeon's theme at all, Molgera was epic.
That's because Molgera's music is goddamn amazing.
Quote from: Nebbles on September 27, 2016, 08:04:27 PMThat's because Molgera's music is goddamn amazing.
Quote from: Nebbles on September 27, 2016, 08:04:27 PMThat's because Molgera is amazing.
wasn't even the Music, the boss battle was intense (but yeah it was too easy for what it looked like)
Molgera's easy?! That's good because I was not looking forward to the Wind Temple.
So um, I'm doing Link to the Past now and I'm actually finding it tough :p
I've done Minish Cap, Twilight Princess and OoT, and I don't remember ever being so frustrated over a Zelda game. Also I'm getting stuck a lot more than usual haha had to check online sources three times already seriously how could they call that place a "gossip shop"
The game is truly a masterpiece though! Love the whole sword-charging system, really awesome overworld, good progression, and the items are just so much fun to mess with. Temples (palaces) aren't as long as OoT but you get LOTS of them.
Also I've died like, 50 times or so already. Dang. Me is zelda noob. :(
I really want to try A Link to the Past. It seems fun.
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think it aged well, with the rampant difficulty spikes and all.
A link to the past is definitely the second hardest zelda game. Don't let it discourage you, everyone dies a lot in LttP
I keep getting lost in ALTTP. To be honest, the only SNES game I can get interested in is Kirby's Dream Land 3...
Also, does anyone want to help me make a video asking Nintendo to #BringBackByrne?
Getting Nintendo to consider any form of fan input is like asking Valve for Half-Life 3.
It wasn't entirely serious...
Playing through it, spirit tracks is actually one of the harder zelda games. At least top ten, maybe top 5
I died so many times to Fraaz the first time I played the game, and I only knew what to do because they showed the boss battle in one of the trailers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-tJnmNP5ow&index=2&list=PL2AvyXVja4Hj4f8KXgLlyIsvT0BfKZyTl), with awesome music.
I have an irrational emotional attachment to Spirit Tracks, and have spent years thinking way too hard about that game. I found out all of the spoilers before I even played it, I put down the game a few days after I got it in 2012, and couldn't pick it back up until summer 2014, and I watched the ending on YouTube multiple times before then, and I regret all of those things, and yet... there's just something in that game that feels like there's so much about it I don't know. Is it some weird form of nostalgia?
Also, Nintendo at least acknowledged Want Midna Back, so who knows? Heck, there's a really good way for Byrne/Staven/Bucky to come back, even if it was only put in there so that the came could keep its CERO A rating.
Hyrule Warriors might have spirit tracks DLC at some point. Alfonso and Byrne most likely
The Toon Zelda DLC came out a few weeks ago...
I don't play HW so I wouldn't have known
Not just Toon Zelda, but Toon Link with the Sand Rod and he can summon the Spirit Train and it's basically just Spirit Tracks Link but mapped to default Toon Link.
Lol, I thought the shovel was a staple zelda item when I was a kid.
It's been around since link's awakening
@Whoever it was that likes Zelda II
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/a-nostalgic-view-on-zeldas-beginnings-an-interview-with-the-director-of-zel
So they basically acknowledged that it's not even a zelda game.
Fair enough
Happy Zelda Month! I want to make a YouTube video for it, but I don't know what to make it about. Probably Spirit Tracks?
Or you could make a video about how there was evidence Nintendo was following a storyline before the idea of one became popularized
No thanks.
I joined this site to request sheet music of Saying Goodbye. Now I don't do remixes. Strange...
Don't do a video on one of the least popular games
The Completionist did the Oracles for Zelda Month.
The Oracle games were very popular
An almost 8 minute video? No thank you.
Here's what I want to see from Breath of the Wild:
The goddamn hookshot
I want to see a Zelda game
yes that too
actually, did anyone else think calamity ganon looked JUST like Molgera?
No.
Red spooky clouds, defined boar-like face, bright yellow eyes, an undefined body...the only thing they have in common is vague snake-like features. If anything, Calamity Ganon is more similar to Morpheel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw47_q9wbBE
at 1:40
see I'm right that's molgera
He's got a big mouth, but it's opening vertically, not horizontally.
Oh wow, I didn't even notice that was the Great Deku Tree at 2:10.
it looked horizontal to me
I hate everything in Twilight Princess between the Goron Mines and the end of the Lakebed Temple. It's bad, frustrating, tedious, awful, boring game design and anyone else who claims they find it fun is probably a super fanboy. It was bad enough that I almost gave up on the game completely. I hope the next half of the game is actually fun.
A huge too-long Tears of Light section, gratuitous cutscene-ing, an escort mission, and the somewhat confusing Lakebed Temple itself? Yeah, I don't blame you.
The bosses in the Temple were awesome though
Oh totally. Morpheel goes from "wtf is this freaking boss" to "WTF IS THIS FREAKING BOSS"
Who doesn't want to fight a vagina with tentacles and teeth and a free-floating eyeball that later turns into a monstrous eel which still has a tentacle tooth vagina and also an eyeball embedded in its back
Seriously though I adore the more grotesque and bizarre aspects of Zelda designs (to use examples from this game, Ooccoo or Malo) so I was a big fan of the downright WTF enemies in the Lakebed Temple (I didn't even touch on the bizarre flab frog thing with the fish eggs that grow from its back -- but the way it forces you to look up for it á la Gohma from OOT really sells the horror of the situation).
I remember liking the later half of the game more than the intro + first three dungeons.
Same - I actually really adore TP, but I admit the intro and first three dungeons are a bit of a slog.
That's encouraging! I actually liked the first two dungeons, but everything else has been like shockingly bad (to me) considering how much everyone seems to love this game.
To me, when the game really picked up, oh MAN it got great. There's a lot of great things to look forward to.
twilight princess is in the bottom 5 of games but the city in the sky boss makes up for it sooo sooo much
also hyrule field will eventually be fun to explore
Noc doesn't know what he's talking about; he puts SS near the top of his list.
Skyward Sword is a very fun game. Twilight Princess is boring as hell.
Olimar is just an elitist. True zelda fans know that tp is just fanservice to the OoT slaves
To be fair, I did really love Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. But I already have Skyward Sword downloaded to my Wii U, so I'll be trying it at some point too.
where the minish cap love at
SS, WW, MC, MM, and LttP are pretty much the best 5 zelda games
swap ALBW for SS and you're fine
ok yes you're right, link's awakening is also really good
this is the problem with ranking zelda games, the best you can do is tier them and the rest is like zelda II and link's crossbow training
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 15, 2017, 07:08:18 PMthis is the problem with ranking zelda games, the best you can do is tier them and the rest is like zelda II and link's crossbow training
triggered. also lol you haven't played enough zelda games so your opinions are incomplete.
but I've played every single one
There's a difference between "played for 15 minutes" and "actually beaten the game."
where did you come up with this crazy idea that there's a zelda game that I haven't spent at least dozens of hours playing
Funny how you didn't disagree with the part about not beating them.
Quote from: Nebbles on January 15, 2017, 05:21:59 PMwhere the minish cap love at
Elemental Sanctuary is my jam.
For me, Twilight Princess was really boring until the Snowpeak Ruins.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 15, 2017, 11:11:39 PMFunny how you didn't disagree with the part about not beating them.
1. Zelda II
2. Link's Awakening (though I'm close!! Still playing it!)
3. Oracle of Seasons (I got it for Christmas)
4. Twilight Princess (My sister played it, not me)
5. Legend of Zelda (I think I accidentally found the wrong dungeon. May need a walkthrough to finish it.)
6. A Link to the Past (Still playing it, in skull forest almost done with the dungeon but I keep losing my train of thought)
7. Spirit Tracks (THIS GAME IS HARD YO)
every other game I've beaten. Most of them 100%.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 16, 2017, 04:48:11 PM1. Zelda II
2. Link's Awakening (though I'm close!! Still playing it!)
3. Oracle of Seasons (I got it for Christmas)
4. Twilight Princess (My sister played it, not me)
5. Legend of Zelda (I think I accidentally found the wrong dungeon. May need a walkthrough to finish it.)
6. A Link to the Past (Still playing it, in skull forest almost done with the dungeon but I keep losing my train of thought)
7. Spirit Tracks (THIS GAME IS HARD YO)
every other game I've beaten. Most of them 100%.
Holy smokes, forget Zelda II, you need to get to work on TP, LA, LOZ, LTTP...lmao I'm just listing them all out how can you have not played so many good onesskfnntkfkelslosowkm
just because I've never made it to the final boss? cmon
Man, there's some mad bad vibes going on here.
Didn't even think that was even possible when talking about Zelda.
I want to review Train Zelda on YouTube.
Hating on someone else for liking Skyward Sword is stupid. I think it's a really fun game, and a whole hell of a lot better than Twilight Princess
You can have whatever opinions you want. Putting a weak game over a game you haven't played is still shitty though.
I don't know what the general consensus is about Phantom Hourglass, but I really liked that game.
Wind Waker was also a really good one! Granted those are the only ones I've beaten, I've played Minish Cap, LTTP and Zelda 1 though.
but I've played every zelda game. Are you telling me my opinion of zelda II will magically change once I sit in the corner and kill shadow link?
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 17, 2017, 08:04:13 PMYou can have whatever opinions you want. Putting a weak game over a game you haven't played is still shitty though.
I never said I haven't played Twilight Princess. I stopped playing around the City in the Sky because it was boring and I had absolutely no motivation to keep playing it.
Twilight Princess was my favourite video game back in 2013, but I honestly found it really boring until the Snowpeak Ruins. The City in the Sky was certainly creative, though the music was annoying, and reminds me of this old part of the CBBC website (I don't know if it's still there) called Bugbears.
Quote from: shadowkirby on January 18, 2017, 10:12:03 AMI never said I haven't played Twilight Princess. I stopped playing around the City in the Sky because it was boring and I had absolutely no motivation to keep playing it.
Tbh that comment was in response to Noc, but it looks like it applies here too. With the amount of time and effort invested already (to get that far) it seems weird that you would stop there.
I've been playing it in bits and pieces over the past year. I intend to finish it at some point, I just don't care how soon that happens.
Why is not finishing a game such a terrible thing
I personally think you should get to the end of anything before forming an opinion that you want to swear by
I agree. Sometimes the ending of a game makes or breaks the entire adventure beforehand. The adventure has to have a payoff, and if you're not playing to the payoff, you're not getting the full experience.
Regarding zelda II
Does it still apply
Yes, because if you actually sat down and figured out how the game works on its own rather than compare it to every other game in the series and get disappointed, you might actually find that it can be pretty cool. It worked for me.
I learned how to play zelda II. The game is just too mechanically difficult to be enjoyable
I don't have enough time to play every game I own to completion. I've got plenty of steam games I haven't even started.
If a game hasn't really captured my interest over 20 hours in, that's not a good thing.
I own every single zelda game, and right now I play minish cap, skyward sword, links awakening, Oracle of seasons, zelda, Majoras mask. Maybe I'll get back to zelda II someday but it mostly isn't worth the effort
The very first one I've played was A Link to the Past. So far, it remains to be my favorite.
I stumbled across a really well produced series that analyzes the dungeons throughout the Zelda series, and how they handle key placement, backtracking, spatial reasoning, linearity, etc. It's really, really good and I highly recommend taking a look if you're interested in seeing how Nintendo handles the mechanic elements of Zelda dungeons. It's even making me rethink my praise for Twilight Princess's dungeon design. Here's the current playlist (the guy isn't finished yet, so it's still a WIP): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc38fcMFcV_ul4D6OChdWhsNsYY3NA5B2 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc38fcMFcV_ul4D6OChdWhsNsYY3NA5B2)
let me guess, Wind Waker or Skyward Sword has the best dungeons
lol you're gonna be disappointed
here are my thoughts on that video series:
-Very aesthetically pleasing
-Well put together
-Entertaining
-Too linear
SHOTS FIRED WOOO
After the LA video it became quite apparent that he was in no way credible on the subject of design. The videos themselves started as heavily influenced by his own opinions. After feedback from YouTube commenters (around the oracles games) he did get better, but he never went back to look at what he had already done (HE DIDN'T BACKTRACK OOOH) and just sort of stuck to his bias when referring to games he had already done.
What this guy doesn't seem to understand is that there are many kinds of complexity and all dungeons have their own complexity niche, if you will.
His measures of what makes a good dungeon were arbitrary and irrelevant to the particular dungeon's goal.
He did subconsciously start to realize actual relevant dungeon information so hopefully he goes back and re-evaluates before making whatever he was planning on making. As for twilight princess, he applied a top down perspective to a 3D game, which is why they're made out to be terrible.
A quick BotW timeline post just 'cause it's almost out and I'm excited. Aonuma has basically confirmed that BotW takes place somewhere on the downfall timeline by emphasizing the old woman's line about how the history of Hyrule is also the history of the Calamity Ganon. The only timeline with multiple major conflicts that feature Ganon as the main antagonist is this timeline (specifically Ganon, too, since Ganondorf never appears in this timeline). I'd be willing to bet that it actually takes place at the very end of this timeline, mostly due to the huge amount of parallels the Zelda team has been intentionally drawing to the original game, which is the second-to-last game in this timeline (before Zelda II, of course).
that's what I said almost a year ago
I had to pack up my Switch last week and send it home with some other stuff to make moving out in a week easier, and in the absence of Breath of the Wild I've been dicking around on a new Majora's Mask file
How did I miss the hand in the toilet the first time
I thought botw was at the end of the child timeline
It's complicated, is the best thing I can come up with. The game's story itself doesn't fit within the child timeline, but that one stinking line is a tether to keeping that hypothesis alive. Until official confirmation is released, I'll continue to assume that they're finishing up the downfall timeline then moving on to the child timeline, then adult timeline (all the games recently have been either remakes or before oot or downfall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ewa26q76fE
Even the mighty hater Mark Brown likes the Skyward Sword dungeons
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I don't believe it