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Title: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 12, 2016, 11:27:42 AM
Completed by MattB (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=8629.msg349580#msg349580)
Hi there!


Presently, I've been working on the music of "Mickey Mouse III -Yume Fuusen-" also known in America as "Kid Klown in Night Mayor World ".
"Beanstalk" is the level music I'm interested in playing correctly.
Without further ado, here is the tune I am referring to:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grwyEb8T344

(MIN 9:50)

Or:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GndZGXlU9Nc


I would appreciate very much if someone could help me :)

Best regards

MattB
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Onionleaf on July 13, 2016, 02:26:59 AM
Hi there, welcome! I'd love to visit Argentina some day, I have a most wonderful pen pal who lives there. ^^

Have you worked on arranging for the piano before? I'm just wondering if perhaps you would like to have a go at arranging this piece while we'll be here to give support. It should be pretty easy to hear the notes in the melody line, so writing down the notes for the right-hand shouldn't take too long. Would you like to try that? :) In the mean time, either I or someone else can work on that left-hand for you.

If that doesn't sound appealing, then no worries, I can help you with this arrangement. Just thought this might be a good opportunity to practise some arranging in a supportive environment. ^^
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 13, 2016, 04:16:49 PM
Hi Onionleaf,

             Thank very much for replying. 
Today, I tried to give a go to the notes for the right hand but before I show the outcome of my work, I must warn you (and every reader of this post) I don't know a good piano composer software.
Perhaps, you or one of the good people around can recommend one.


Ok, here we go:

KID KLOWN IN NIGHT MAYOR WORLD: BEANSTALK (LEVEL 3)
RIGHT HAND

/F4 A4 C5 F5 E5 D5 C5 A#4/

/A#4 C5 F5 D5 G4 A#4 A#4/

/F4 A4 C5 F5 E5 D5 C5 A#4 - G5 F5+A5 A#5 - D5 C5 A#5_C5 - D5 C5 A#4 A5- E4 F4 /

/E4 D#4 D4 - C#4 D4 E4 F4 A4 E4 A4/


:

If you hear the original tune, it may guide a bit I think ;)
I would apreciate your opinion and help (and readers') very much!

Best regards to you all!!!

MattB.




 
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Onionleaf on July 16, 2016, 04:48:37 AM
Wowee, that is some fun arrangement code, my friend. :D I'm afraid it's a bit difficult to read, but it's a good start nonetheless! We folks here at NSM usually start our arrangement "careers" with a program called Finale Notepad. It's a really easy tool to use, but if you ever have any questions, we'd be happy to help. As long as you know how to read music, you'll be able to write out a simple melody line on the program, no problem. If all else fails, a simple sheet of music manuscript paper, a pencil and a keyboard at your side work just as well.

Hope that helps, and let me know if you're ever stuck on something. :)

(Thank you! I'm sure there are many wonderful places to see and visit in your city!)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 26, 2016, 12:16:05 PM
Hi there!
           Unfortunately I coudln't make much of my arrangement work. Tried as I might, it still shows there's long way to go at the piano and with theory books for me.
Nevertheless, thanks to my pal Onionleaf I took courage and gave it a shot.
I find the result a bit odd but since this my first try, I can´t complain much.
Now, here is what I got so far...

(https://s31.postimg.org/fw79mrqe3/Capturasns.png)


I would appreciate your opinion and if possible "REAL GOOD" arrangement for both hands.


Huge thanks in advance!

See you around!

PS:To Oninoleaf, I´ve seen your work  :o you are some pianist!!!! :o I look up to you, thank you for your support.

Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 26, 2016, 05:37:14 PM
Here is another try... I took a chance to try to complete it.
It is MMIII BTW


(https://s31.postimg.org/56rp1iw2j/Captura_correccion.png)




 ...Am I going in the right direction?  ???
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 26, 2016, 06:42:52 PM
 Eventually I finished with the right hand but seemingly needs correction. It feels like I'm killing the tune  >:(
 I can't do more for the day,  maybe tomorrow

(https://s32.postimg.org/ir1qjmxjp/Captura.png)

Regards.
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: mikey on July 26, 2016, 06:46:22 PM
From what I can see, yes, you are :D  I think we both know that what you've got so far isn't anywhere near being a complete sheet (heh rhymes), but you definitely have the basics down.  The only way to get better from here is to improve, ask questions, and sign up for piano lessons :P
Hopefully I'm not discouraging you, plenty of arrangers (including the great LATIOS212 himself), have started from the same place as you!  Just work hard!
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 26, 2016, 07:24:30 PM
It's true, basics is all I am by now, giving a try to a silly arrangement was a good experience, though.
Thank you for your message! :) I won't give up on hardworking, eventually I will succeed  8)


BTW, is it too late to ask for a real piano arrangement for [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"?



See you around, pal!


Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 27, 2016, 08:43:51 AM
Another day, another chance.
Today my math worked better, unbelievable what a good rest can do!
It is half of the piece but sounds more... exact?  :-\ :-\


(https://s31.postimg.org/a3k6iyndn/Beansbeans.png)



Comments are welcome!   :D
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 27, 2016, 12:47:18 PM
Well, right hand was friendly today but I got stuck, at some point my counting fails, perhaps I could use a little help from you to finish up, my friends.
Now, with the left hand I surprisingly found it easier to take from the tune (8ths and more 8ths). I isolated the basses sounds and the first part was easy to transcribe (hope that's not cheating) and If things don't change, I think I can do the rest of the notes for LH :)

Now here what I got by now:

(https://s31.postimg.org/99rhvuftn/Captura1.png)


I can't figure out the error in the end to complete it and I feel there is a missing time meassure in the red mark.
I wanted to upload the track for you to listen but soundcloud is taking ages to do it.

Would appreciate comments :)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Zeila on July 27, 2016, 01:18:44 PM
Hey there! I think I found the issue with the RH rhythms you notated (I didn't check the actual notes themselves, but they look like they're going in the right direction). Basically, the entire RH should be shifted to the right by 1 eighth note, with an eighth note on beat 1 in measure 1. Notice how the melody kind of "lags" it's entry. If that's a general or otherwise poor way of explaining it, the first note of the melody starts after the LH, and falls on the same note as the 2nd eighth note in the LH. The entire piece should be in 4/4 time. Here's a picture demonstrating what I mean:
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FqgAlo%2Ff209e7ddd2.jpg&hash=3fb7123bde6b44760660f99110142dbcf2f651a7)

In the future, if you're having troubles with finding the rhythm (as well as the notes), slowing down the song helps a ton (if you aren't already doing that). Also, trying to match up both the RH and LH parts can help. I don't know if there's an easy way to move all of the notes on whatever software you're using, but if you are indeed using Finale Notepad, I can do that for you (as well as edit some formatting stuff) once you post your MUS file. Btw, I don't think using audio manipulation is considered cheating, and I think some people on here do that in some form or another. Cheers!
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 27, 2016, 02:04:29 PM
Thank you very much for your help and support! :)  Feels great to have back up  ;D
I see what you mean and now you've pointed it out, seems to come clearer more and more. Now, yes, I'm using Finale Notepad which will take me some time to move the whole piece one 8th forward.  Would you mind if I finish up with the LH and then post the .MUS file for you to make the corrections? Also if possible little help with the ending? Thanks in advance!
Keep cool!  8)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Zeila on July 27, 2016, 02:14:34 PM
Sure thing, and np!
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 27, 2016, 03:45:42 PM
Hi there, Zeila!
I reached my limit for today and this is the most I can do.
You were absolutely right, the whole piece sounds like out of sync, like a broken music box.
Here's a screenshot

(https://s32.postimg.org/9h1rj394l/Captura2.png)

This might sound stupid but I am not really sure how to share the .MUS file to you. Am I going to get in trouble if I upload the MUS file to MediaFire (as .ZIP/RAR) and then post the downloading link? (Sorry for the stupid question)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: mikey on July 27, 2016, 03:49:28 PM
The standard here is dropbox, but mediafire does work!
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 27, 2016, 05:12:04 PM
Hi there! Thanks for the tip :)
Thanks for helping make my ol' school favourite tunes sound on my keys!


Best regards!
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Zeila on July 27, 2016, 05:43:05 PM
It seems as if your first post got mistaken for a malware website or just got deleted somehow(unless I'm mistaken). Nevertheless, I do recommend dropbox instead of filedropper. Mediafire also works, but is less preferred (but still preferable to other site mediums).

As for the sheet itself, I updated the following:

If you still want help with the ending, I can do that. Otherwise, I left the last section the way it was. [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ftw844o7hf7jwbq/beanstalkmm31.mus?dl=0)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 27, 2016, 06:37:13 PM
I don't know what happened with the link but just in case I deleted it from the post. It was my mistake for sure.
As for my arrangement, I somehow knew I was going too far, this is a shame, I apologize.
I want to thank you all your support and please ask you if you could make a good arrangemet of MMIII Beanstalk for me. I'd appreciate it very much.
Best regards
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Zeila on July 27, 2016, 06:51:18 PM
What? It's almost done, and don't be sorry. I don't think you went too far; it's okay if you need some guidance along the way. All you have to do is fix the rest of the RH part and add a measure or two of the melody. If you're feeling overwhelmed, maybe you can take a break before working on it some more. Your main issue seems to be with getting the right rhythm down, so if you're discouraged, feel free to work on some easier pieces (although I recommend to keep trying at it unless you get too frustrated and it becomes more of a chore). If the other pieces from this game are around the same level of difficulty, then you should go for it on your own! (and remember, at least one of us here is willing to help smooth out any flaws)

Another thing you can do is to collaborate with another person. I'm sure you'll learn along the way from that too
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 28, 2016, 10:21:28 AM
Zeila, please don't take me wrong, I'm not giving up. What I tried to say was that I don't forget I'm a starter, maybe I picked a piece of music to arrange that was a bit  :P over my head. It might have sounded like quite an ambitiuos request coming from a beginner, but I'm having fun and enjoying it, and with your help I feel I can't fail. Support from Onionleaf and NocturneOfShadow is highly valued as well. You are Maestros to me, people whom I admire.
Now, regarding the music sheet.... Wow thank you, the first part sounds like heaven's music. Editting and formatting also look great, altament pro. If I get some time this week I will try to adjust (?) and finish the last part. I'll pay close attention to your remarks and also the formatting guidelines and rules.

Thanks for your patience and support!
I'll be around soon, hope to see you again!

 

Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on July 29, 2016, 06:00:43 PM
Well, I am not sure if this arrangement is all completed but so long everything seems to be sounding right... I think it is somehow reaching its completion.
The second part was very challenging, (actually the whole piece was). I really don't know how I got this far, but sure Zeila's help has a lot of credit for it!
Well, I tried to finish the last part but sure needs revision. I would really appreciate help, hopefully for the last time.

Here is what I got

(https://s31.postimg.org/l4y91e7d7/Mickey_Matt_yume_fuusen_Beanstalk.png)


Here is MUS file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uxb56oeaetif2z8/beansbeans.mus?dl=0

I thought it'd be a good idea to post the original tune again, it's far behind on my first post. It is "Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - Beanstalk" AKA "Mickey Mouse III -Yume Fuusen- Beanstalk"

This is it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GndZGXlU9Nc


If you have time, please bail me out! ;D
Best regards to you all and huge thanks for all!!!
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Zeila on August 01, 2016, 11:00:03 PM
It looks like you're getting the hang of it now! There are still some errors, but it's better than before

- In m4, there should be a half rest instead of a quarter rest and the repeated A on the last two beats
demonstration
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FqmR9J%2F362721619a.jpg&hash=c990b3aae8d573ffc0c19eb605844cf1d5dfa944)
[close]
- I think you changed m7 back to the way you had it before, but it should still be as shown in the picture. Once again (well, I said this for beat 1, but it really applies to all beats), if you ever get stuck with rhythms, try to pinpoint what note is on what beat. You should try to prioritize placing notes on the down beats (if there actually are any). Slowing down the song and counting (1 and, or 1 e and a; whichever is appropriate). It might be hard to get a metronome in sync with the song, but you could try using that as well
demonstration
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FqmR7J%2F571e1ca234.jpg&hash=492c657ff6cc89da4ab929c9193e6020bc302826)
(it might also be a B natural instead of C flat, so be warned)
[close]
- In m9, you had the right rhythm (sort of), but there was an extra note, and some of them were wrong. It should just be three eighth notes instead of two sixteenth notes and two eighth notes
demonstration
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FqmRvY%2F7ff142f9f4.jpg&hash=bafe8b808fe9ae98404ded0fd0438e65d170e6c3)
[close]
- In m10, the C#'s should probably be Db's
- In m11, I'm not entirely sure if the Db should be a C# since there are C naturals in the bass clef, but I was just letting you know my thoughts about it
- In the last measure, the melody should start on beat 2 instead of the and of beat 1, and since it's ascending chromatically, sharps are the way to go
demonstration
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpuu.sh%2FqmQMJ%2Fb671fc03ed.jpg&hash=0e391eb02c8b541387ad851c1437e23c4b884e79)
[close]

Overall, there are still some note length values that should be changed (for example, the C in m15 (RH) should be a whole note). In due time, if you arrange enough, you'll eventually get much better at it. It's great that you're actually enjoying the process, too! If you ever want more help, it's probably better for you to make your own arrangement thread (in the correct board) so that people can post advice there. When you're done fixing it up, you could also try submitting it to the site too (if you weren't going to already)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on August 03, 2016, 05:16:27 PM
Hi Zeila! I finally got round to correct the arrangement by your great remarks, I followed them thoroughly (and I take my hat off to you, you're awesome!).
Regarding further corrections, I will keep on working on the lenght values of the notes and rhythm until I get them down, but I'm not sure if that will be possible in the very short term. The process of trying to make an arrangement for "Beanstalk" shows that I still need a lot of practice and study. Nevertheless, if I manage to make it sound right, I will be more than glad to submit it to NSM, it would actually be an honour if it were accepted!
About opening a new thread next time, you are right. Initially, this was intended to be a simple request but I got enthusiastic, and with the encouraging comments, I decided to give it a chance. It was tough work but sure good because with your help I ended up learning a lot!

Thank you very much for everything!
And the best to all!
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Onionleaf on August 07, 2016, 04:18:02 AM
I'm so happy to see you've managed to make so much progress with this arrangement. :) I'm sorry I haven't been around lately to answer questions, but Zeila has done a fantastic job so far! It can be tough work, I still remember how awfully challenging my very first arrangements were.

Let us know how you're going whenever you feel like sharing your work. ;)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on September 01, 2016, 01:45:39 PM
Hi there!
Onionleaf, you are awesome, thank you for all your kindness, it is so very much valued.
I have been absent for a while but I am always grateful for all your help and support and I will never forget it.
Lately, I've been trying to study more about note length values but I had little time and couldn't correct much of the arrangement, but still not giving up. In fact, I am thinking of opening a new thread for another "Kid Klown" tune arrangement (as a personal arrangement this time) after "Beanstalk" is completed.
I know that with the NSM assistance, failure is not an option  ;)

Here is the latest  MUS file:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/so7gbusleqwstxs/beansbeans.mus?dl=0

(https://s9.postimg.org/44fm78p0f/Capturabeastalk.png)

May I have some help to finish it up?

To all the staff and NSM people, my best wishes and regards!

(Also special aknowledgement and thanks to Zeila and NocturneOfShadow)



Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: Onionleaf on September 06, 2016, 03:16:10 AM
Heey, congrats on completing the arrangement! Sorry I wasn't much help in the end, but it looks like you did a fantastic job with minimal help from us. I hope this will be a start of a new musical journey for you! :)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on September 07, 2016, 06:51:23 PM
Hi there, pal!
You sure were of much help and, to be honest, I wouldn't have been able to complete this work without you.
I'm aware that this thread has turned out to to be too extense already but, by now, it is my only way to have one of my favourites NES tunes arranged. You know, I'm a starter at music and NSM is the best site I know to get cool videogame music arrangements.
Many times, I felt like a bit clumsy and a lot of a nuisance to the site people but you backed me up and I will endlessly thank you.
I hope to see you around again, you are an awesome friend.

All the best!

MattB.
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: mikey on September 07, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
I would have loved to help you more as well but I felt that onionleaf and zeila were much more qualified.  I do hope that I encouraged you to complete the arrangement as much as possible by yourself, because it'll be really cool to see you turn into an expert pianist and arranger.  Good luck :)
Title: Re: [NES] Kid Klown in Night Mayor World - "Beanstalk"
Post by: MattB on September 07, 2016, 08:48:19 PM
Hey there, buddy!
I am very glad that you've written because you were also essential support in the arrangement and I would like to hugely thank you!
It might take some time for me until I get to be such an extraordinary arranger as Zeila, Onionleaf and you are but I will work hard, and I will never forget your help.
I wish you all the best ;)
Hope to see you again soon!