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Title: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Zeta on August 17, 2016, 12:36:36 PM
Submission Information:

Series: The Legend of Zelda
Game: The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Console: Nintendo Wii
Title: Lanayru Sand Sea
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Lkjhgfdsa_77 (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5006)

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Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: nutella511 on August 17, 2016, 01:13:15 PM
Always post a link to original

Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 19, 2016, 06:55:45 AM
Edit:
Updated .mus and .pdf files to include BPM marking and copyright information.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Tobbeh99 on August 19, 2016, 06:47:58 PM
Nice arrangement!

Formatting:

-Make the measure/system to 4, so each system contains 4 measures. It looks much more pleasing and makes it easier to read.
Like this:
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(http://i.imgur.com/IA6b3YE.jpg)
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Music:

-In every occasion where the melody plays you've missed 2 things:
the mordent on the G in m. 9, 14 etc.
M. 10, 15 etc. the first note should be a dotted 8th then there is a 16th note you've missed.
It should look like this:
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(http://i.imgur.com/R9ZhbCJ.jpg)
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-M. 25 and on: Try to incorporate the string harmonies that are introduced in this part. It can add variety to the arrangement. 
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 19, 2016, 07:54:58 PM
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 19, 2016, 06:47:58 PMFormatting:

-Make the measure/system to 4, so each system contains 4 measures. It looks much more pleasing and makes it easier to read.
Like this:
Spoiler
(http://i.imgur.com/IA6b3YE.jpg)
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Thank you for responding. I used NotePad for this arrangement and I don't know how/if I can format it. I am currently in the middle of something and will get back once I am at my computer (probably around 12 hours).
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Tobbeh99 on August 20, 2016, 04:34:22 AM
If you have a better version of Final (don't know how good you need for it thought), you can format it by "Utilities" the click "fit measures" then select 4 where it says "lock layout with". that will make you have systems with 4 measures throughout the entire arrangement.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 21, 2016, 06:09:39 AM
Edit:
Edited the melody and added harmonics as suggested. Will probably post on this thread (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=685.0) for the formatting.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Tobbeh99 on August 21, 2016, 08:48:14 AM
No need for that. I quickly fixed that for you.

Here's the files:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24842881/Zelda%20Lanayru%20Sandsea.zip
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 21, 2016, 10:04:00 AM
Thank you. I am currently away from home so it may be a while before I can get on the laptop I brought and update it.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 21, 2016, 02:10:27 PM
Edit:
Updated .pdf, .mus, and .mid with Tobbeh99's formatting. Also put his .musx up.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Static on August 21, 2016, 04:27:16 PM
I really like this arrangement and the song, nice job with it! However, it sounds kind of empty without the harmonies in the left hand:

(https://jii.moe/Nkazv7XqW.png)

These are just the first 3 measures, but you get the idea. Just a small suggestion.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 21, 2016, 05:25:46 PM
Yay, another responder! I can definitely see that the harmonies can improve the arrangement.
Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 21, 2016, 10:04:00 AMI am currently away from home so it may be a while before I can get on the laptop I brought and update it.
Edit:
Added the left-hand harmonies. .musx file is now outdated.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Tobbeh99 on August 26, 2016, 02:39:36 PM
Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 21, 2016, 05:25:46 PMAdded the left-hand harmonies.
Emm, where are they? I can't see them in any file.

Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 21, 2016, 05:25:46 PMmusx file is now outdated.
You can skip the musx. file if you're going to do more updates. The musx file is not mandatory.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 26, 2016, 05:00:01 PM
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 26, 2016, 02:39:36 PMEmm, where are they? I can't see them in any file.
Oh my. Looks like my update didn't go through, I'll try again.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 26, 2016, 05:52:58 PM
Edit:
Updated all files and they should actually be updated now. I probably accidentally used your format edits instead of the ones I edited.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Tobbeh99 on August 27, 2016, 07:31:55 AM
More feedback:

-Took some time figuring out the first 4 measures, and I think this is more accurate transcription.

(http://i.imgur.com/QC8PF1i.png)

-Change all dotted half note rests to half note and a quarter rests. Dotted rests are pretty much only for compound meters. Compare M.6 with M.8.

(http://i.imgur.com/XAmVWS8.png)

-The 16ths notes looks very squeezed. Try removing the notes and entering them again, I think that will solve the problem.

(http://i.imgur.com/D2tiBok.png)

-I think that the grace notes should be in the same measure as the note it leads to, but I'm not sure about this one. Compare M.17-18 with 19-20.

(http://i.imgur.com/zPgAF1z.png)

-This system is covering the second page title. Move it down a bit if you can, not sure if you can do that with notepad.

(http://i.imgur.com/okuB38S.png)
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 27, 2016, 12:54:17 PM
Edit:
Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 27, 2016, 07:31:55 AM-Took some time figuring out the first 4 measures, and I think this is more accurate transcription.
Added. For some reason Notepad won't put the sixteenth note into the tuplet so I tied two thirty-seconds together. Also put in the dynamic you added.

Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 27, 2016, 07:31:55 AM-Change all dotted half note rests to half note and a quarter rests. Dotted rests are pretty much only for compound meters. Compare M.6 with M.8.
Edited.

Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 27, 2016, 07:31:55 AM-The 16ths notes looks very squeezed. Try removing the notes and entering them again, I think that will solve the problem.
Edited.

Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 27, 2016, 07:31:55 AM-I think that the grace notes should be in the same measure as the note it leads to, but I'm not sure about this one. Compare M.17-18 with 19-20
That's what's supposed to happen with grace notes, it was just the measures squeezing together. A cut-paste fixed it up.

Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 27, 2016, 07:31:55 AM-This system is covering the second page title. Move it down a bit if you can, not sure if you can do that with notepad.
I couldn't move it down, but I was able to move the text up so it fit between the beam and mordent.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Tobbeh99 on August 27, 2016, 02:25:37 PM
Looks nice. Me, or some other person will have to edit the formatting, and probably also the tuplet, in a better Finale program.

One thing you could do however, and which you probably missed, is to include the A in the layer 2 in measure 4, showed in the image below.


Quote from: Tobbeh99 on August 27, 2016, 07:31:55 AM(http://i.imgur.com/QC8PF1i.png)
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 28, 2016, 07:03:08 AM
Added that in.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Pianist Da Sootopolis on August 28, 2016, 12:00:06 PM
I'll put these files into correct formatting for right now (it'll probably have to be changed now, but at least that way it's easier to arrange since it'll look relatively nice). I'll edit with the dropbox link when I'm done.

List of fixes:
- Standardized measure width throughout the whole piece
- M. 20: half rest in the middle (voice 1) of the bar has become two quarters to show beat 3
- Spaced out the systems on page 2 so that the mordant is no longer clashing with the page title and number.
- M. 24: Turned the double dotted half note into a dotted half note tied to an eighth for clarity of when it ends.
- M. 37: Reorganized the dotted rests to show beat 3 in both voices.
- M. 40: three quarter rests (on beats 2, 3, and 4) became a quarter rest (on beat 2) and a whole rest (beats 3 and 4) for a cleaner ending.

File here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wtn7uutw8xwgogg/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Skyward%20Sword%20-%20Lanayru%20Sand%20Sea.mus?dl=0
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 28, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
Thank you!
Updated with Pianist's format tweaks.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
Hi, lalksjdfhlkaglsdkf!

First of all, please keep the files consistent, or if you can't, please let us know. Having different .musx and .mus files can make for some headaches.

That said, this sheet is looking pretty good. Here are some things to think about:
- Measure 1 looks kind of... silly. Maybe that's what it sounds like in the original, but I think it would just confuse the performer. Grace notes might be the way to go here; I would reconsider the 32nd note tuplet.
- Pedal would work well for this piece; would suggest writing that somewhere.
- Layers: top layer should point up, bottom layer should point down. That means adjusting measures like 8 and 12.
- Rhythm groupings: it's important to shoe beat 3 in 4/4 music. So measure 11 should be written as quarter-tie-dotted quarter instead of half-tied-eighth. Same goes for other measures later on. Split the half rest in the middle of measure 18 into two quarter rests as well.
- LH almost everywhere (measure 5 onwards): Layer 1 forces ties to bend upwards as layer 2 is under it. However, there's never any notes under the ties that would interfere, and indeed layer 1 sometimes dips below the second layer. So I would recommend flipping the bottom tie to bend downwards (Ctrl+F) as you would normally see.
- I would suggest avoiding double dotted notes in 28 and 32. It makes the layers there harder to read.
- Watch out for rests too close to notes in 18 and 24. 24 beat 4 also looks awkward.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on October 26, 2016, 12:20:31 PM
Quote from: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PMFirst of all, please keep the files consistent, or if you can't, please let us know. Having different .musx and .mus files can make for some headaches.
Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on August 21, 2016, 05:25:46 PM.musx file is now outdated.
I got this file from Tobbeh's formatting edits, but once I made the changes I couldn't keep the .musx file updated because you can't open those in Notepad.

Quote from: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PM- Measure 1 looks kind of... silly. Maybe that's what it sounds like in the original, but I think it would just confuse the performer. Grace notes might be the way to go here; I would reconsider the 32nd note tuplet.
That was Tobbeh's suggestion for the first four measures, edited.

Quote from: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PM- Pedal would work well for this piece; would suggest writing that somewhere.
I had a bit of trouble getting the pedal to sound nice, if put like this
Large image!
(http://i.imgur.com/jGi8IoT.png?1)
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it sounds a bit muddy with the confliction of the two chords. The only other option I could think of is
Large image!
(http://i.imgur.com/rPYU0GR.png)
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which doesn't seem to sound as nice either, at least on playback.

Quote from: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PM- Layers: top layer should point up, bottom layer should point down. That means adjusting measures like 8 and 12.
Edited.

Quote from: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PM- Rhythm groupings: it's important to shoe beat 3 in 4/4 music. So measure 11 should be written as quarter-tie-dotted quarter instead of half-tied-eighth. Same goes for other measures later on. Split the half rest in the middle of measure 18 into two quarter rests as well.
Edited. Just a general question, would it be okay to overlap two different rests in different layers, like this?
Slightly smaller image, I learned
(http://i.imgur.com/pIGmBmg.png)
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If so, when would it be okay or not okay to do this?

Quote from: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PM- LH almost everywhere (measure 5 onwards): Layer 1 forces ties to bend upwards as layer 2 is under it. However, there's never any notes under the ties that would interfere, and indeed layer 1 sometimes dips below the second layer. So I would recommend flipping the bottom tie to bend downwards (Ctrl+F) as you would normally see.
Edited. Suprised that Notepad actually has an editing function like that.

Quote from: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PM- I would suggest avoiding double dotted notes in 28 and 32. It makes the layers there harder to read.
Edited.

Quote from: Latios212 on October 24, 2016, 04:28:56 PM- Watch out for rests too close to notes in 18 and 24. 24 beat 4 also looks awkward.
Seems to have been fixed with the listed examples. However it seems to have popped up again in m12.

Misc. notes -
 - condensed m18, 38, 40 into one layer because I could
 - moved RH in m6 to layer 1
 - condensed harmonics and melody in m24, 28 to one note, as opposed to different layers
 - messed up Pianist's (and likely Tobbeh's) formatting and the 2nd page title is now wedged between the mordent and eighth note bar
 - Edit: the Halloween profile swap is seriously getting to me
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Latios212 on November 08, 2016, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on October 26, 2016, 12:20:31 PMI got this file from Tobbeh's formatting edits, but once I made the changes I couldn't keep the .musx file updated because you can't open those in Notepad.
That was in an older post though... it's a little confusing.

Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on October 26, 2016, 12:20:31 PMI had a bit of trouble getting the pedal to sound nice...
Oh, I meant just a simple "con pedale" or "pedal as needed" or something at the beginning. Up to you. Don't have to write it throughout.

Quote from: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on October 26, 2016, 12:20:31 PMJust a general question, would it be okay to overlap two different rests in different layers, like this?
Slightly smaller image, I learned
(http://i.imgur.com/pIGmBmg.png)
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This is good.

Cool, looking much better now! ;D I went ahead and tweaked a couple small things - [MUS] (https://www.dropbox.com/s/vcfq5fr54z6i82h/The%20Legend%20of%20Zelda%20Skyward%20Sword%20-%20Lanayru%20Sand%20Sea.mus?dl=1) - slurring the grace notes in 2, adjusting rests in 12 (you had it right in 28!), tampering with space between staves a little.

When we're done, I'll update this sub with a complete .musx file.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on November 10, 2016, 06:12:34 PM
Took your file and updated the submission. I also -
 - wrote in "pedal as needed" as text
 - layered two quarter rests on top of each other in m20
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Maelstrom on November 11, 2016, 10:33:40 AM
This sheet has really turned into something beautiful. It's nearly ready to be accepted, but there is one glaring error:
Listen to the original: both voices aren't playing at all in the LH on beat 4 of every other measure on the 2nd page, starting with m22. Remember, you can hide one rest in the 2nd layer, and just have a single rest representing the rest in both measures
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on November 11, 2016, 11:49:02 AM
Quote from: Maelstrom on November 11, 2016, 10:33:40 AMBoth voices aren't playing at all in the LH on beat 4 of every other measure on the 2nd page, starting with m22.

Fixed. I didn't change m37-40 which is a repeat of m17-20, which I assumed you would want to keep the same. If you meant differently I could change it again.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Maelstrom on November 11, 2016, 11:58:11 AM
Nope, forgot to mention they ended.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Latios212 on November 11, 2016, 07:00:55 PM
Teensy thing - missing dynamic marking at the beginning. Pick one and I'll update the files accordingly (with a new .musx).
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on November 12, 2016, 12:45:04 PM
Updated with the dynamics (p for first 4 measures and mp after).
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Maelstrom on November 12, 2016, 01:39:46 PM
Accepted.
Title: Re: [Wii] The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - "Lanayru Sand Sea" by Lkjhgfdsa_77
Post by: Zeta on November 12, 2016, 01:39:49 PM
This submission has been accepted by Maelstrom (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4119).

~Zeta, your friendly NSM-Bot