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Title: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 23, 2016, 10:18:51 PM
Hello, everybody! My internet name is Nitro Indigo, and recently I've been obsessed with animated films. In fact, I barely even watch live-action movies.

To start us off:
- In descending order, my favourite movies are Rise of the Guardians, Inside Out, Toy Story 2, and The LEGO Movie. I'll also defend Cars because no-one else wants to.
- I sort of want to watch Atlantis: The Lost Empire, knowing as little as possible, but it's really hard to come by, in the UK at least.
- Over the next week, I will be watching various animated movies, of varying degrees of quality.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Dude on October 23, 2016, 11:07:46 PM
I liked Howl's moving castle

I think that was the last movie I saw...
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 24, 2016, 09:57:41 AM
The only Ghibli movies I've watched are Ponyo and about half of Wolf Children. Also, Howl's Moving Castle is based on a book. The more you know.

Also, Finding Dory comes out on Disney Movies Anywhere tomorrow! I'm not American, so I'll have to wait until November(!), but hopefully there'll be a Cars 3 teaser with it.
...I have faith in that movie, okay?
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: braix on October 24, 2016, 02:10:55 PM
Aw Wolf Children was great. Watched it a few years back so I don't remember much besides the fact that it was sad, I might rewatch it soon.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Sebastian on October 24, 2016, 02:49:30 PM
Inside Out
I thought that was a great movie. It's on my top 3 animated movies for sure.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 24, 2016, 03:05:19 PM
The only Ghibli movies I've watched are Ponyo and about half of Wolf Children. Also, Howl's Moving Castle is based on a book. The more you know.

It's true that Howl's Moving Castle is based on a book, but the stories are completely unrelated. I adore Miyazaki's adaptation, but the plot doesn't hold together at all compared to how smart the book is.

Also FYI Wolf Children isn't a Ghibli film lmao (I'm neurotic about Ghibli and own them all).
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 24, 2016, 03:23:13 PM
Oops. I knew the animation in Wolf Children didn't look like what people describe as "Ghibli". I looked it up, and it was made by Madhouse (who also animated the opening FMV of Solatorobo) and Studio Chizu.

Anyhow, I just realised that most of the animated movies I'm planning on rewatching are by Pixar; since I'm watching them in order of release, the first non-Pixar movie I'll be watching this week is Flushed Away. I'm not rewatching every animated movie I own, mind, just the ones I have interest in rewatching, and for some reason the only Walt Disney Animation Studios movie I feel like watching at the moment is Meet the Robinsons.

Also, here's a list of all of the Pixar movies I don't own.
A Bug's Life (I watched it years ago, but for years all I could remember was the ladybug joke)
Up (I haven't seen it since it came out in the UK, for some reason)
Brave (Never seen it)
Monsters University (Saw the first 10 minutes or so through a Now TV rental)
The Good Dinosaur (Never seen it)
Finding Dory (Doesn't get a home release here until late next month)

I've watched the CinemaSins videos for all of the movies I listed that have one, though.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 24, 2016, 03:50:25 PM
^Another mistake: Ghibli =/= Miyazaki. Miyazaki is the director of several Studio Ghibli films and, along with Isao Takahata, is a co-founder of the studio. In truth, while Miyazaki's films are more popular with a general mainstream audience, the films of Takahata are usually much more introspective and interesting from an intellectual perspective to me. There are also a handful of Ghibli films by other directors besides those two, but the only two that are really up to par with Miyazaki's and Takahata's works are Whisper of the Heart and When Marnie Was There. Not to say they aren't good films; the only weak Ghibli film is Tales from Earthsea, which is pretty terrible (and even that one boasts spectacular animation).

Oh, also, I thought The Good Dinosaur was better than Inside Out.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 24, 2016, 03:55:57 PM
Tales from Earthsea

Oh, also, I thought The Good Dinosaur was better than Inside Out.
1) I've heard of the Earthsea book series, though I've never read it. Is it another In Name Only adaptation, or is it not an adaptation at all?

2) I will respect your opinion because I've never seen The Good Dinosaur, but that really surprised me. I never watched The Good Dinosaur because I saw no advertising for it anywhere. Incidentally, the only reason why I watched Inside Out is because Mr. Enter made a deviantART journal post about it, and I'm glad I did.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: braix on October 24, 2016, 03:56:26 PM
I remember Flushed Away had a game for the GameCube, which I played the hell out of when I was younger. I never watched the movie though.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 24, 2016, 03:59:06 PM
I don't remember Flushed Away all that well, since I haven't seen it for such a long time. Yay for surprises?
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 24, 2016, 05:36:54 PM
1) I've heard of the Earthsea book series, though I've never read it. Is it another In Name Only adaptation, or is it not an adaptation at all?

2) I will respect your opinion because I've never seen The Good Dinosaur, but that really surprised me. I never watched The Good Dinosaur because I saw no advertising for it anywhere. Incidentally, the only reason why I watched Inside Out is because Mr. Enter made a deviantART journal post about it, and I'm glad I did.

1) Tales from Earthsea is very similar to Howl's Moving Castle in that its plot has nothing to do with the books. It's different because the movie's plot is completely nonsensical and bad. Don't watch it.

2) I will say my opinion differed from a lot of others. I just generally thought it was a more emotionally moving movie without as many dumb jokes as Inside Out.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: braix on October 24, 2016, 06:28:12 PM
Everyone loves Inside Out but I personally felt that it wasn't very immersing and really predictable. Not a huge fan but it's alright
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 24, 2016, 08:13:59 PM
One thing I love about Inside Out - that not many people talk about - is when they're on the train, and Bing Bong can't tell opinions and facts apart. Bing Bong is YouTube.

Recently, I had a discussion with someone on Chicken Smoothie about how Pixar movies were more about the journey than the destination. Face it, the stories of Toy Story, Finding Nemo, and Inside Out are pretty barebones, but we love them because of the characters. I like to call that kind of story a Journey to Tolerate Each Other.
I also said on that thread that I liked Finding Dory because it was not only Dory and Hank's Journey to Tolerate Each Other, but also because it had a mystery aspect.
I just remembered the trope for this. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SlidingScaleOfPlotVersusCharacters)
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 24, 2016, 08:27:13 PM
Finding Dory may have beaten out Ratatouille for my favorite Pixar film.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 24, 2016, 08:48:17 PM
While we're on the subject of unpopular opinions here, for all of its flaws, I can't hate Cars 2. Sure, everyone acts like an idiot and it can't decide what its target audience is, but...
- There are lots of little details, especially the character's expressions (for example, Axlerod's faint smile when Lightning calls in to the talk show).
- Some shots could pass for photographs, and there's an unlisted video on the Disney-Pixar YouTube channel about how the animators car-ified lots of real world structures.
- Gosh, that opening is atmospheric.
- At its core, the story is about the undying loyalty between two best friends, even when they are separated due to external circumstances. Narm Charm at its finest.
- I can't hate a movie with an anthropomorphic fighter jet(?) voiced by Jason Isaacs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-TZtakKiSQ) in it.

I do understand why people dislike it, though. This is the only Pixar movie where I'd say it focuses more on the story than the characters; even after I watched Mr. Enter's review of Cars 2 a couple of times last year, the only part of the movie I really remembered was the plot twist, until this year. And a line in Collision of Worlds that goes something like: "I asked for a coffee and got my first cup of tea."

Heck, until this year, I couldn't even remember any of the new characters' names. I just got Cars 2 stuck in my system about a month ago, somehow.

The best way to describe Cars 2 is that it's the world's most brutal Saturday morning cartoon.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: WaluigiTime64 on October 24, 2016, 09:02:57 PM
From what I remember of it, I liked Cars 2. I found it entertaining, but it doesn't hold a candle to the first movie. I'd like to watch it again and try to give a more informed opinion.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 24, 2016, 09:12:58 PM
I do agree with the majority that it's not a good sequel... at all. It's more like a weird expanded universe story.

I've also watched that airport chase so many times now that I've managed to nitpick it to death, ranging from major issues such as how the heck no-one notices four people trespassing on a runway, three of whom are using weapons, to the tiniest things, like how according to inter-movie Pixar logic, a toy horse (Bullseye from Toy Story 2) is faster than a beaten-up tow truck.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 25, 2016, 12:06:48 AM
You copy comments from TVTropes way too often. And Cars 2 is generally agreed to be pretty terrible. Hell, I hated the FIRST Cars.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 25, 2016, 02:59:55 AM
Yeah, first cars was kind of lame.  Second cars was just generic spy movie formula but was not ironic in any way about it
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: braix on October 25, 2016, 04:09:34 AM
Aw Wolf Children was great. Watched it a few years back so I don't remember much besides the fact that it was sad, I might rewatch it soon.
I rewatched it today, that movie will never get old
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 25, 2016, 08:38:15 AM
I know that most people hate it... Now I'm feeling ashamed of myself again.

Anyhow...

I watched Wolf Children on a low-quality anime streaming website where it was squeezed to a 4:3 ratio back in 2014.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 25, 2016, 04:06:09 PM
the LEGO Movie is my all-time favorite animated movie, beating out Emperor's New Groove when it came out.  It was also easily the best animated movie of 2014 (though it didn't have much competition)
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 25, 2016, 04:16:35 PM
The Lego Movie was good, but there are two animated films that came out in 2014 which are better in my opinion: When Marnie Was There and The Boxtrolls. It's worth noting that I also enjoyed Mr. Peabody and Sherman more than The Lego Movie, but I wouldn't say it's objectively better as I would with those other two.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 25, 2016, 04:58:43 PM
The LEGO Movie and How to Train Your Dragon 2 were the only animated films I watched in cinemas in 2014, since Big Hero 6 didn't come out here until 2015.

Also, even though I know that they're good, I feel bad that the How to Train Your Dragon films didn't leave much of an impression on me, though I do remember seeing them in cinemas. Rise of the Guardians was the first thing-that's-not-a-video-game that I genuinely loved.

Also, this animated movie binge-watching spree of mine hasn't gone off to a good start, because after watching the first two Toy Story films, I didn't feel like watching Monsters, Inc. (the third-oldest film in my disc pile), and I got bored about 40 minutes in to the commentary of Finding Nemo. I can't seem to watch any movie in one sitting.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 25, 2016, 05:43:58 PM
The Lego Movie was good, but there are two animated films that came out in 2014 which are better in my opinion: When Marnie Was There and The Boxtrolls. It's worth noting that I also enjoyed Mr. Peabody and Sherman more than The Lego Movie, but I wouldn't say it's objectively better as I would with those other two.
LEGO movie was the highest grossing animated film of 2014, and the 4th highest grossing film overall, getting beaten out by Mockingjay, Captian America 2, and Guardians of the Galaxy.  I would say LEGO movie is objectively better :P
It also has a score of 96% on RottenTomatoes.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 25, 2016, 06:12:26 PM
I honestly went into The LEGO Movie knowing nothing about it other than the fact that the villain wanted to glue the universe together, and Batman was in it, both of which I had read in an issue of ONM from about 2013. I watched it in cinemas twice; the only other film I've seen in cinemas twice was Rise of the Guardians, though I'd like to watch Finding Dory again.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 25, 2016, 06:33:38 PM
I watched guardians of the galaxy 5 times in theaters
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 25, 2016, 06:57:32 PM
LEGO movie was the highest grossing animated film of 2014, and the 4th highest grossing film overall, getting beaten out by Mockingjay, Captian America 2, and Guardians of the Galaxy.  I would say LEGO movie is objectively better :P
It also has a score of 96% on RottenTomatoes.

Besides the Lego Movie, I hate all of the movies you mentioned haha. Also terrible movies make money all the time
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 25, 2016, 07:26:21 PM
yeah but it wasn't even particularly close.  iirc the next one was Big Hero 6 and that was, what, 8th highest grossing?  Terrible movies do make money, but the leaderboards of each year tend to be incredibly good movies- especially guardians of the galaxy, which finally proved that marvel can make anything with their name on it and people will still watch it.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 25, 2016, 08:31:10 PM
Even more so than terrible movies making money, lots of movies that are phenomenal perform badly at the box office. How successful a film is at the box office is literally irrelevant nonsense when you're talking about the film's quality. Not to mention, I think Marvel is kind of trashy. Their movies pander to an audience so badly. The only Marvel movie I liked was Big Hero 6. And I wouldn't call ANY of their works significantly good or important on a quality level. Entertaining? Maybe. But I'm interested in actual substance.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 26, 2016, 12:01:20 AM
What you're saying is barely true.  Sometimes that happens, but it's an oddity when it happens.  People like a movie>they go see it.  It's that simple.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Dudeman on October 26, 2016, 01:12:00 AM
There's a difference between people liking a movie and a movie actually being good, though. See also: Michael Bay's Transformers.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 26, 2016, 01:15:21 AM
Was a good movie.  I liked it.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 26, 2016, 02:35:10 AM
What you're saying is barely true.  Sometimes that happens, but it's an oddity when it happens.  People like a movie>they go see it.  It's that simple.

When Marnie Was There was released in like one or two theaters per state. How is it possibly supposed to make money on the level that wide releases do? I can't tell if you're trolling me or if you legitimately think that just because "more people like it" a movie is objectively better
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 26, 2016, 02:35:55 AM
Not to mention, how are they supposed to know if they like it when they haven't even seen it yet
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 26, 2016, 08:51:55 AM
Quality is subjective.

(Also, there was this anime movie that came out a couple of years ago, I think it was by Ghibli, and it had something to do with the wind...?)
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 26, 2016, 09:50:31 AM
when looking at objectivity, you need to take the numbers into account.  That means higher grossing movies tend to be better or more enjoyable than lower grossing movies.  It's not nearly the only factor, but it's one of the measurements, and I consider it pretty accurate.  And that's why previews exist.  Also word of mouth happens too.  Some old people will go to the movie theater and just see if anything good is showing soon, then watch that.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 26, 2016, 01:59:54 PM
Moving on... I just watched Meet the Robinsons, and it's now my fourth-favourite film. Toy Story 2 is now my fifth, and I also discovered today that it's the best-review film of all time; all 163 professional reviews are positive.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Onionleaf on October 28, 2016, 09:55:46 AM
Reading through this thread made me curious about "Wolf Children". Wow, it was so lovely! The mother reminded me of our mother, who was strong enough to move to a foreign country with us and managed to raise my brother and I (almost) by herself.

I was very sick yesterday and wanted to watch some pleasant movies to make me feel better. In the end I scoured my files and chose Laputa: Castle in the Sky. I could watch Studio Ghibli films many times over.

I, too, haven't particularly noticed a correlation between high viewing numbers and me actually enjoying the movies. Most of the time the more well-advertised movies are those that I would only feel like watching once and never again, with pretty standard plot lines. Then again, that doesn't always apply as I have several popular animated films on my favourites list as well.

Some of my favourite movies from my childhood are "The Road To El Dorado" and "Sinbad: Legend of The Seven Seas", as well as the obvious Disney films that everyone loves.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 28, 2016, 10:06:24 AM
wow sinbad
that movie scared me half to death when I first watched it
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 28, 2016, 12:47:05 PM
I just watched Cars 2. The pacing was way too fast, leaving no time for the characters to develop, but it wasn't terrible.

Also, I sort of want to watch Trolls, but at the same time, I'm worried that it'll be stupid. It has an 86% score on Rotten Tomatoes...?
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 28, 2016, 04:48:54 PM
Pro tip: stop caring about American childrens' CGI films. Disney/Pixar is the only company that's even moderately worth keeping up with in this regard.

Ghibli films and films with alternative animation styles are almost always much better and don't feel the need to fill their movies with stupid gross jokes.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 28, 2016, 05:07:08 PM
Rise of the Guardians, How to Train Your Dragon...

That being said, CellSpex on YouTube has made an excellent point on the "CGI comedy" formula.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 28, 2016, 05:57:57 PM
Rise of the Guardians and How to Train Your Dragon are both way overrated and can't come close to the Ghibli or Laika films. Not to mention, those are basically the only two exceptions in a HUGE Dreamworks canon that's largely shameless kid fodder.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Dudeman on October 28, 2016, 09:30:15 PM
Including the Kung-Fu Panda trilogy? I found them all surprisingly good, and my hopes were low for 3.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 28, 2016, 09:43:36 PM
I'm including those as shameless kid fodder lol. I've only seen the first two, but they fall into that category compared with the others I mentioned
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: mikey on October 28, 2016, 10:33:13 PM
I actually agree with slow here, DreamWorks stopped being good mid-2000.  WAG is my favorite animation studio as of now and Disney is always fine
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 28, 2016, 10:44:15 PM
Speaking of WAG, what do you people think of Storks? I've never seen it, and I'm not interested in doing so, but I read the spoilers on TV Tropes.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: SlowPokemon on October 29, 2016, 12:12:51 AM
The trailers looked cute but it also looks exactly like all of those kiddie films Dreamworks puts out
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 29, 2016, 09:23:01 PM
I guess you could say that DreamWorks are trolling us.
Title: Re: Animated films
Post by: Nitro Indigo on October 31, 2016, 10:02:11 PM
There's this anime movie called Your Name that's coming to UK cinemas on the 24th November, not sure if it'll be dubbed or not, but I'm worried it'll have a really limited release.