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Title: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 02, 2016, 12:30:50 PM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

All PM's have been sent. It's now night 1. Night 1 ends December 3rd 3:00AM AKST, 4:00AM PST, 5:00AM MST, 6:00AM CST, 7:00AM EST, 1:00PM CET, 9:00PM AWST. That's roughly 24,5 hours from now. Remember that there is no wolfing or guarding this phase.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 02, 2016, 12:35:38 PM
Seer role PM:
Spoiler
You are a Seer.

You might be Drunken, Stoned, Paranoid, Gulible or Foolish, though.
[close]

Wolf role PM:
Spoiler
You are a Wolf Shaman.

You might be Drunken, though.

The other Wolf Shaman is NAME.
[close]

Fool role PM:
Spoiler
You are a Fool Random Seer.
[close]



Changes:

Players cannot self seer.
Players vote for a player to be guarded each night phase.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 02, 2016, 01:13:23 PM
Ay
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 02, 2016, 03:03:08 PM
hello!
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 02, 2016, 06:01:38 PM
The way I see it, we have a few options. We can all post who we will seer now, and the results during the day phase, not do this until the day phase after that, or not do it at all in an attempt to protect the real seers.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 02, 2016, 06:09:04 PM
Am here. Yay.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 02, 2016, 08:44:46 PM
\o/
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 02, 2016, 08:55:29 PM
The way I see it, we have a few options. We can all post who we will seer now, and the results during the day phase, not do this until the day phase after that, or not do it at all in an attempt to protect the real seers.

Thoughts?
At this point, I don't think there's any way to discover the "real" seers just by posting seering results. I don't see any harm in all seering tonight and posting the results.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 02, 2016, 09:17:05 PM
Well, plain and simply, it's information. Information that could help us find the fools and wolves. Remember, we have 3 seers with 100% accuracy, but 2 of the 3 have frame shifts. However, more info means the wolves could use that to find our seers. Or hit the fools by accident. Idk.
I say we go with it. I also say we post who is seering who today so that can't be manipulated tomorrow.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 02, 2016, 09:46:02 PM
^your plan sounds like it would be much more useful for the wolves, since they technically have the upper hand right now in knowing one another.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 02, 2016, 09:47:32 PM
Sorry for the double-post: are there any chatroom restrictions this game?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 02, 2016, 11:28:28 PM
Sorry for the double-post: are there any chatroom restrictions this game?

This game has no anonymous accounts, so no, there are no chatroom restrictions this game.



Also, I should make clear that only living players can be seer'd, and a seering on a player that dies in the same phase will fail. I'll update the OP.



In the event that fewer than eight players have posted by the end of the phase, the phase will be extended by 24 hours.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 03, 2016, 12:45:47 AM
Careful with extensions. Sometimes they can make inactivity worse.

Anyways, I think humans and a single fool should make an alliance. We'll vote you up if you publically claim, that way we can use our seering results in order to figure out which of our seers are which.

Basically there's three ways this can go:
It works according to plan. We lynch a fool for helping us, they give us the ability to reliably seer.
Wolves kill the fool before s/he can get seered, which benefits the fool and slightly benefits us (keeping human numbers high and making wolves weary of lynching the last fool.)
Wolves try and blend in with the fools, in which case we greatly narrow down our suspect list.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 03, 2016, 12:50:01 AM
I like this. Remember, though, there is no wolfing on the 1st night, so your 2nd possibility won't happen.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 03, 2016, 01:34:34 AM
This is a good plan. I think we oughtta go through with it.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 03, 2016, 01:45:33 AM
Alright, let's do this then! ^^ I claim human.
hooman iz me yeaaah
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 03, 2016, 03:02:21 AM
Hmm. Davy, an extension might not be a totally bad idea for the first day as we only have had 6/10 people post in the thread.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 04:11:21 AM
This "plan" to reveal a fool would be wasted if no one is online.

And just so I understand this clearly, this idea was to have a fool claim publicly in the thread so that we could all seer them and then post our results publicly so that we could piece together a who's who, correct?
 
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 04:15:07 AM
Ugn sorry I double-post a lot in twg.

I think a phase extension would be a really good idea, davy.

Also, does anyone still have a link to the chat room? We should gather there soon to discuss a plan of action.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 03, 2016, 04:24:25 AM
Bleh; I was going to form an elaborate plan to get myself killed, but seeing as you've formulated a plan involving the fools, I might as well just go along.

So, I'm a fool seer!
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 03, 2016, 05:23:49 AM
qooq
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 03, 2016, 05:34:31 AM
Sorry, everyone!  Seer reporting in here.  I like FA's plan a lot, and I'm all for everyone seering BDS tonight.  Other fool should not claim.  I'm not really a fan of the "pull the plug on the whole game because we're not going to win" strategy.  I think it's best if No. 2 keeps a low profile for now.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 03, 2016, 05:35:22 AM
I claim seer
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 03, 2016, 06:16:43 AM
I claim seer
So helpful.

So, everyone target BDS then
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 03, 2016, 09:02:52 AM
This "plan" to reveal a fool would be wasted if no one is online.

Any plan is wasted if people are inactive.

We'll lynch the first fool that claims D2 (I wanna give everyone a chance to seer, so yeah.) Free win for whoever that is, whether it works out for humans or not. I doubt the wolves are gonna try and screw us over since they'll just get lynched too.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 03, 2016, 10:06:24 AM
Yeah lynching a fool seems safe, I'm on board
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 03, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
Also, we're all going to seer bds right?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 12:14:02 PM
Any plan is wasted if people are inactive.

Not all plans involve us intentionally killing a fool and making mislynching not an option though.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 03, 2016, 01:03:46 PM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Night 1 is over. No one died and no one was guarded (obviously). It's now day 1. Day 1 ends December 5th 3:00AM AKST, 4:00AM PST, 5:00AM MST, 6:00AM CST, 7:00AM EST, 1:00PM CET, 9:00PM AWST. That's roughly 48 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 03, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
so um i messed up and seered Dudeman. cuz he was the first name on the list.

He's orange. Not that it means anything, but yeah :p
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 02:19:23 PM
^if you are blue then there is only a 1/3 chance that dudeman is a fool. Also, that's kind of weird that you "accidentally" seer'd the wrong person, since you would have to manually PM davy. ???
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 02:24:28 PM
Ugh double post. Forgot to mention that I seer'd BDS blue.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 03, 2016, 03:06:28 PM
I am here! I'm the seer, please claim to me
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
Did you seer BDS last night? If so, what were your results?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 03, 2016, 05:04:45 PM
Could be the foolish seer.
Or the wolf shaman.

Anyway, I got that BDS was red
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 03, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
Just saying, Daj is totally a wolf. But then again, why trust the fool? :P
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 03, 2016, 09:03:15 PM
Is that a claim BDS (you want us to lynch you tommorow?)

I seered him blue.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 03, 2016, 09:05:43 PM
I seer'd BDS orange.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 03, 2016, 09:36:22 PM
I missed the seering period. My bad, guys, I was supremely distracted last night. I'm well aware that makes me seem incredibly wolfy.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 03, 2016, 10:32:20 PM
Is that a claim BDS (you want us to lynch you tommorow?)

I seered him blue.
Huh? I already claimed last page; I'm just saying that Daj is acting really suspicious.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 11:22:52 PM
I'm not too sold on BDS being a fool just yet. If you think about it, if BDS was actually a wolf  faking a fool claim like this would be a pretty ballsy, yet damning move for the rest of us. If the wolves sacrifice one of their members for this and we believe it, then for the rest of the game we would all be led to believe that our seering possibilities were inverted or warped, both screwing over the humans and clearing the other wolf in future seerings. It's a long shot, but I wouldn't rule that out.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 11:24:50 PM
Double post: also remember that it is a great move for a wolf to claim as a fool in games with them.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 03, 2016, 11:26:37 PM
In a game with two wolves? With no Night 1 wolfing?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 03, 2016, 11:26:58 PM
@Olimar BDS literally signed up to be lynched. I doubt a wolf is going to suicide. If anything you constantly trying to discredit a relatively safe plan is suspicous.

paying attention is 2 hard for me good thing I seered you anyways >_>

Yeah we can vote you up once we get everyones results in. Thus far:

Olimar: Blue
FireArrow: Blue
Dudeman: Orange
Maelstrom: Red

loozers: Daj, TZP

Gonna wait for a D2 lynch if the loozer category it too big.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 11:34:58 PM
It's not that safe of a plan; well, what I mean is that it could've been much better organized. Several of us didn't seer or seer'd the wrong person. Plus, it's not like anything is preventing us from just not lynching BDS and playing the entire game safer by keeping him alive. If we kill a fool  right now then we run the risk that, for the rest of the game we have the potential to accidentally end the game by mis-lynching the other fool. A wolf false-claiming as a fool is basically gambling for immunity.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
 Also, you can add shadowkirby to the loozer pile.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 03, 2016, 11:37:43 PM
Saw noc blue
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 03, 2016, 11:44:40 PM
tf y
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 03, 2016, 11:53:57 PM
Also, you can add shadowkirby to the loozer pile.
uh excuse u
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 03, 2016, 11:59:24 PM
It means dude is either a fool, the master wolf, or the real seer
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 04, 2016, 12:00:04 AM
Or gullible
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 04, 2016, 12:10:22 AM
Or trying to die, or someone lied.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 04, 2016, 02:27:10 AM
I don't think either of those are likely
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 04, 2016, 03:59:44 AM
We'll kill BDS when enough people have seered him. This'll probably be day 2 because there's a bunch of loozers right now. If people still fail to manage this (given room for error since wolves and and the second fool may not cooperate) then we never had a chance of winning anyways.

It's not that safe of a plan; well, what I mean is that it could've been much better organized. Several of us didn't seer or seer'd the wrong person. Plus, it's not like anything is preventing us from just not lynching BDS and playing the entire game safer by keeping him alive. If we kill a fool  right now then we run the risk that, for the rest of the game we have the potential to accidentally end the game by mis-lynching the other fool. A wolf false-claiming as a fool is basically gambling for immunity.

1. We don't have to lynch BDS this day phase, we'll lynch him when enough people have seered him (and I intend to follow through with our end of the deal.)
2. The barrier of the fool not trusting is not relevant anymore.
3. No one on NSM (except for maybe me) plays risky enough where I'd even consider that an option; this is particularly relevent when you consider that it's only day 1 and the player in question is BDS who plays extremely safe. In the off chance it were to happen, it's only a temporary immunity.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 04, 2016, 04:02:43 AM
loozers: TZP
I own it

Dude, why did you seer Noc instead of BDS?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 04, 2016, 04:07:09 AM
1. Dudeman - BDS
2. Olimar12345 - BDS
3. Maelstrom - BDS
4. Dude - Noc
5. NocturneOfShadow - tell us
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c
7. Shadowkirby - tell us
8. BlackDragonSlayer - le fool
9. dajwxp - Dudeman
10. FireArrow - BDS

I'd like to wait on lynching BDS until seven people have seered him.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 04, 2016, 05:26:16 AM
what am I supposed to tell you
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 04, 2016, 05:27:40 AM
what am I supposed to tell you
Who you seer'd
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 04, 2016, 05:31:25 AM
I didn't because I had no idea the game had started.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 04, 2016, 05:40:28 AM
Well, this plan fell apart thanks to too many people not following instructions. Dang it.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 04, 2016, 05:41:22 AM
Woops, double post, but I agree with FA. We should hold off on the BDS lynch until we have more info.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 04, 2016, 07:54:46 AM
We can either not lynch someone or lynch someone who didn't seer BDS.

My top 3 suspicions:
1. Noc - Despite showing awareness of other people posting their seer results, he hasn't posted his. Additionally he's ignoring the larger issues while making pretty straightforward comments about little things, which is really common wolf behavior.
2. Shadowkirby - Was somehow unaware of what I meant by "tell us" and didn't mention what he did last night until prompted twice.
3. Dude - Really weak reason for seering the wrong person as pointed out by Olimar. I can also see him being a fool though.

Imo daj is more likely a fool than a wolf. I think TZP is probably human - a wolf would probably make up a seering or try to avoid the matter (see: noc & shadowkirby) and a fool would not be so apologetic if he was trying to pull a "i forgot to seer" stunt.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 04, 2016, 08:00:02 AM
Oh and olimar, I just saw this.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.

It's impossible for a wolf to pretend to be a fool.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 04, 2016, 08:18:48 AM
I like not lynching bds because as a guaranteed fool we won't misfire later in the game.  It's safer to lynch him day 2.  My current suspicions are dudeman and FA.
Dudeman because dudeman and FA because though his playstyle is anything but consistent he tends to err toward the leadership role when he's playing as a wolf (see: that one game where he convinced everyone he was a seer somehow, as well as others that I can't remember off he top of my head)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 04, 2016, 08:20:11 AM
For the record,, I see red bds red but I don't think it's relevant any more since we didn't get quite enough results for your liking
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 04, 2016, 12:21:32 PM
It's safer to lynch [BDS] day 2.
I don't think [my seer results are] relevant any more since we didn't get quite enough results for your liking


We have another night phase, no?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 04, 2016, 02:29:22 PM
"2. Shadowkirby - Was somehow unaware of what I meant by "tell us" and didn't mention what he did last night until prompted twice."

It's almost finals week, dude. Like I said, I had no idea that we had even started.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 04, 2016, 02:30:55 PM
We can either not lynch someone

Please note that no lynch is not an option in this game.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 04, 2016, 05:14:21 PM
Oh and olimar, I just saw this.

It's impossible for a wolf to pretend to be a fool.

Lol it is not "impossible," it just means that they'll be revealed once they die. Like I said, it's in the wolve's and human's best interest to NOT kill fools, so if a wolf publically claims to be a fool, why tf would we kill them right away? Hell, just look at BDS: he already has immunity until we are done figuring out who we all are (that is, if we actually go through with killing him, which like I said would be an honorable self-inflicted wound for all if he really is a fool). ALTHOUGH, now we can't NOT kill him, because if we want to know if our seering results are accurate we will have to confirm that he is indeed a fool.

Also, here's something to think about: if it just so happens that when we kill BDS he is NOT a fool, the wolves will have the advantage. It's super easy for them to confirm who's the real seer, being that they already know that they are both red and would only need to seer one claimed player/compare results. So, at the point in the game that we finally decide to kill BDS and on the off-chance he was actually a wolf, then hooray for the wolf death, but fuck now we are back at square one in figuring out our own identities, while the other living wolf has several accurate seerings under their belt.

Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 04, 2016, 05:19:45 PM
Also:

Please note that no lynch is not an option in this game.

Uh safety on shadowkirby
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 04, 2016, 06:33:03 PM
It might be a wise idea to only have the people who didn't seer BDS to do it tonight, so the wolves can't just ruin all our results by wolfing BDS. Maybe everyone else should hit one of the people who didn't seer last night so everyone has a target.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 04, 2016, 06:43:46 PM
^But why would he wolves WANT to kill a fool? Just thwarting our plans doesn't seem like enough to justify such a consiquence. Killing a fool is a bad move for everyone but that fool lol.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 04, 2016, 06:48:26 PM
I own it

Dude, why did you seer Noc instead of BDS?
where did you say that I wasn't paying attention sorry
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 04, 2016, 07:18:16 PM
Friendly reminder that we all get to vote on someone to guard tonight. If we vote BDS, that ensures that he gets seer'd again and won't be offed by the wolves before we can figure out our roles.
Dudeman because dudeman
You could at least try and be logical for once, you know? NocturneOfShadow.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 04, 2016, 07:28:11 PM
^But why would he wolves WANT to kill a fool? Just thwarting our plans doesn't seem like enough to justify such a consiquence. Killing a fool is a bad move for everyone but that fool lol.
Because he was going to die anyway. This just kills him sooner to deny us information. I'm not sure how you missed that......

Friendly reminder that we all get to vote on someone to guard tonight. If we vote BDS, that ensures that he gets seer'd again and won't be offed by the wolves before we can figure out our roles.
I like this.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 04, 2016, 07:41:06 PM
Dudeman seems like a good choice to me.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 04, 2016, 08:15:44 PM
I'm pretty sure the wolves are Olimar and one of Daj/Noc. I will vote accordingly from whichever gets the most consensus.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 04, 2016, 08:41:45 PM
Because he was going to die anyway. This just kills him sooner to deny us information. I'm not sure how you missed that......

Not necessarily, (see my keeping the fool alive bit) and I didn't miss that, reread my quote pls:

^But why would he wolves WANT to kill a fool? Just thwarting our plans doesn't seem like enough to justify such a consiquence. Killing a fool is a bad move for everyone but that fool lol.

And most of my arguments have been about common sense as well as the potential negative consequences to our actions.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 04, 2016, 08:51:16 PM
Dudeman seems like a good choice to me.
explain plz thanks
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 04, 2016, 08:59:45 PM
NocturneOfShadow only because I don't want dudeman to be lynched. And dude is either a fool or a wolf pretending to be a fool he's probably the best seer target tonight.

Also I'm pretty sure seer results still come through if the target is killed right davy?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 04, 2016, 09:03:03 PM
Actually, no, I take the former statement back. We want to seer someone who isn't a fool tonight so we can figure out who's results are reliable.

I'm pretty sure the wolves are Olimar and one of Daj/Noc. I will vote accordingly from whichever gets the most consensus.

Yeah, I think this is a pretty good analysis. Olimars intentions seem more like he's purposely trying to screw with our plans than voicing legitament concerns.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 04, 2016, 09:03:22 PM
I love how wrong you all are.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 04, 2016, 09:03:49 PM
I love how wrong you all are.
fool alert
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 04, 2016, 09:08:21 PM
fool alert
wolf alert
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 04, 2016, 09:09:06 PM
NocturneOfShadow only because I don't want dudeman to be lynched. And dude is either a fool or a wolf pretending to be a fool he's probably the best seer target tonight.

Also I'm pretty sure seer results still come through if the target is killed right davy?
2 things:
Why don't you want Dudeman lynched? There has been no reason for or against, but you seem to think this pretty strongly.
And no, if the person we seer is wolfed, we get nothing.

Actually, no, I take the former statement back. We want to seer someone who isn't a fool tonight so we can figure out who's results are reliable.
Like, what? This makes no sense. We need a point of reference to base stuff off of. Going after a random person doesn't help use figure out the 3 accurate seer's frame shifts.
I still say everyone who didn't seer the fool does so now, and everyone else seers someone who didn't seer BDS.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 04, 2016, 09:10:48 PM
Yeah, I think this is a pretty good analysis. Olimars intentions seem more like he's purposely trying to screw with our plans than voicing legitament concerns.

...you do know you're agreeing with a fool, a player who's sole intention is to screw with everyone, right? If anything, your comment makes me feel that way about you lol.

JOKES ASIDE, killing the fool should occur after we are completely done with securing our roles. There should be no opposition so withholding a self-inflicting wound until absolutely necessary. I have a huge analysis coming up, will post later when I have actual time to do so.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 04, 2016, 09:22:20 PM
I still say everyone who didn't seer the fool does so now, and everyone else seers someone who didn't seer BDS.
I agree. So, that means we need to choose from Daj, TZP, Noc, Dude, and SK. Daj is the biggest question mark for me, so that's who I'd recommend. Given that I seer'd BDS orange and we're pretty much convinced he's the fool, though, it might be a good idea to seer someone non-fool-ish like TZP to determine which of us is gullible, foolish, or paranoid.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 04, 2016, 09:40:15 PM
Also I'm pretty sure seer results still come through if the target is killed right davy?

No:
Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 04, 2016, 10:37:20 PM
No no guys, I'm feeling a pretty heavy FA on this one
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 04, 2016, 10:39:41 PM
I agree that FA is being kind of suspicious, and covering for Dudeman a little hard, but, why?
An analysis might be nice.

Safety on me for now.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 05, 2016, 12:18:17 AM
...you do know you're agreeing with a fool, a player who's sole intention is to screw with everyone, right? If anything, your comment makes me feel that way about you lol.
Hey, I already have a free death pass. :P Might as well make myself useful in the meantime, no?

Nocturne for now. If Noc wasn't already suspicious, his FireArrow vote was super suspicious in itself, considering he's the one suggesting a Nocturne lynch in the first place.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 05, 2016, 12:40:25 AM
The fool voting for me as well is odd.  What does it mean?
There's no point in making an argument for fas playstyle being the same as how he usually is as a wolf because he always defaults to the "I don't have a playstyle" shtick.  It's only day 1 of course but still FA is most likely in my eyes to be a wolf.  Dude seered me blue which out of context doesn't mean much but has anyone actually looked at the steering results and narrowed down the possibilities for each player?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 05, 2016, 01:07:24 AM
When I'm a wolf I usually try and make alliances with humans and/or kiss up to the people taking charge of the thread. Actually leading people is more of a human thing for me.

Of course, using meta is never a legitament reason to lynch someone by itself.

I agree that FA is being kind of suspicious, and covering for Dudeman a little hard, but, why?

This isn't a difficult question to answer.

No:

Let's guard BDS then. In hindsight, the wolves could of already screwed with us by wolfing him. The fact that they didn't could be indicative that BDS isn't a fool, but I find that highly unlikely unless he does something to try and avoid his lynch tomorrow.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 05, 2016, 01:22:21 AM
Why the heck would we guard bds?  The wolves wasting a hit on a nonhuman is good for us??  Are you even paying attention to this game or are you just bsing to make people less suspicious of you
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 05, 2016, 01:23:44 AM
When I'm a wolf I usually try and make alliances with humans and/or kiss up to the people taking charge of the thread. Actually leading people is more of a human thing for me.

Of course, using meta is never a legitament reason to lynch someone by itself.

This isn't a difficult question to answer.

Let's guard BDS then. In hindsight, the wolves could of already screwed with us by wolfing him. The fact that they didn't could be indicative that BDS isn't a fool, but I find that highly unlikely unless he does something to try and avoid his lynch tomorrow.

^no wolfing night 1. Read the OP.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 05, 2016, 01:26:02 AM
FA doesn't seem to be the best reader. That's the 2nd (or 3rd) question that was already answered by davy or the OP.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 05, 2016, 01:32:43 AM
I really am not seeing the fear of BDS getting wolfed here. On a fundamental level, both humans and wolves LOSE when both of the fools die. Both teams get ONE mislynch/wolfing on a fool before going into everyone-is-about-to-lose mode. Why are we talking about wasting one of them so lightly? Lmao. It is in BOTH team's interest to keep the fools alive.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 05, 2016, 01:36:51 AM
I think guarding tzp, Daj, and sk are all off the table right now.  I'm not opposed to guarding dude, but he's certainly not the best option.  Self interest proposes that we guard me, since I'm the only one guaranteed not to be a wolf at this point.  I think a guard on either me or olimar is equally good, followed by maelstrom then dudeman
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 05, 2016, 01:51:06 AM
Self interest proposes that we guard me, since I'm the only one guaranteed not to be a wolf at this point.
I'm sorry, did I miss a crucial post that absolves you of all blame? All I see coming out of your posts is "I'm innocent because I say so, listen to me because I exist." Could you maybe explain your reasoning for once?

About the BDS guarding, the reason is that we all need to confirm our roles. He's almost guaranteed to be a fool at this point, but we need those who didn't seer him before to do it now so we can figure out our lineup. If he dies before we do that, we go back to square one.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 05, 2016, 01:59:24 AM
Bro do you even twg
I'm not a wolf because I got a role PM from Davy saying I was a seer, duh
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on December 05, 2016, 02:34:50 AM
The fool voting for me as well is odd.  What does it mean?
that im playing as a human for all intents and purposes
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 05, 2016, 02:37:44 AM
FA doesn't seem to be the best reader. That's the 2nd (or 3rd) question that was already answered by davy or the OP.

Guilty as charged.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 05, 2016, 02:39:12 AM
I think guarding tzp, Daj, and sk are all off the table right now.  I'm not opposed to guarding dude, but he's certainly not the best option.  Self interest proposes that we guard me, since I'm the only one guaranteed not to be a wolf at this point.  I think a guard on either me or olimar is equally good, followed by maelstrom then dudeman

Dudeman, you mean, the guy who was your number 2 suspicion? Or was that a joke that dude took the wrong way?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 05, 2016, 02:40:38 AM
Ignore me you listed out every player. >.>
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 05, 2016, 02:44:07 AM
My dudeman suspicion is always a joke
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 05, 2016, 04:01:50 AM
I'm getting a weird vibe from Dude.  His posts seem like they could be a reverse-psychological game, trolling by pursuing Noc's joke suspicion of Dudeman to make himself seem like a fool, then lying low as a wolf in the hope that we won't want to lynch him.

I think we should proceed with the same plan as last night on someone other than BDS, in the hope that everyone actually uses their power tonight to get max accuracy.  Keep in mind that it'll take a while to actually sort out who's who--no matter the role of the person we seer, if everyone uses their role on that person, we're going to get two of each color, plus whatever jank seerings the wolves and fools throw in there, minus the seering of the person seer'd.

I really have no idea who to lynch today, I'll be honest.  I think a case could be made against Olimar and Noc both, but I don't feel strongly enough to push for a kill.  Olimar12345 for now.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 05, 2016, 04:21:06 AM
I think we should proceed with the same plan as last night on someone other than BDS, in the hope that everyone actually uses their power tonight to get max accuracy.  Keep in mind that it'll take a while to actually sort out who's who--no matter the role of the person we seer, if everyone uses their role on that person, we're going to get two of each color, plus whatever jank seerings the wolves and fools throw in there, minus the seering of the person seer'd.

The only important thing is that the people who seered BDS seer someone who isn't a fool and the people who didn't seer BDS do seer him.

You can figure out your role from seering BDS and someone who isn't a fool.
a) Are both seers the same result? You will seer everyone that color.
b) Are they a different result? You're a reliable seer, refer to what color you saw BDS as to know which one you are.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 05, 2016, 04:24:58 AM
Alright well what about steering me?  I'm not a fool and we already have a steering result on me
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 05, 2016, 04:54:39 AM
I just got home and it's late and I don't feel like finishing up my analysis post rn, so I'll have to do it tomorrow. For now, here's a current vote count: 

Shadowkirby - 1 (Olimar)
Nocturne - 3 (Dudeman, FA, BDS)
Dudeman - 1 (Dude)
FireArrow - 1 (Noc)
Maelstrom - 1 (Mael)
Olimar12345 - 1 (TZP)

Mind you several of these are safeties, but to be honest I don't really see an issue with safeties right now. It's too early in the game to really have strong suspicions one way or another, and all I really have are weak leads here and there.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 05, 2016, 05:08:32 AM
Noc, as of right now you're gonna die this phase.  You might want to defend yourself instead of nominating yourself for a seering.  Why did you vote FireArrow?  Nothing he's done suggests wolfiness at all.  "Feeling a pretty heavy FA" is not good logic--unless you were joking?

All the same, I'm not sure a Noc lynch makes sense.  He doesn't really seem that wolfy, more just trolly, voting for both Dudeman and FA with no justification
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 05, 2016, 05:43:22 AM
me is furkin confuzzled.

daj. safeties yeah
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 05, 2016, 05:53:57 AM
I'm sorry, I'm on vacation and can't think too hard
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 05, 2016, 06:39:30 AM
What's the point in defending myself if defending myself will end up being grounds for being a wolf?  There's no real argument against me so I'm not going to try and spout nonsense to defend my arguments.  I think FA is playing in a way similar to how he would as a wolf.  Is that not reason enough?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: mikey on December 05, 2016, 06:41:56 AM
Ftr I never even voted for dudeman.  For the past like 4 game a I've always listed him as an early suspicion because his reactions are better than everyone else's put together
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 05, 2016, 07:09:29 AM
For better or worse dude actually convinced me with that.

What's the point in defending myself if defending myself will end up being grounds for being a wolf?  There's no real argument against me so I'm not going to try and spout nonsense to defend my arguments.  I think FA is playing in a way similar to how he would as a wolf.  Is that not reason enough?

Meta is generally not considered good enough by itself. If I did something else that was particularly wolfy you could certaintly back it up with "FireArrow takes charge when he's a wolf" (I don't even agree with that statement, but maybe I'm wrong), but using it as your only line of logic doesn't work unless you want to assert that I never do that as a human and always do that when I'm a wolf.

Btw if you're a fool then well played because you managed to come across as wolfy without looking like one.

Mind you several of these are safeties, but to be honest I don't really see an issue with safeties right now. It's too early in the game to really have strong suspicions one way or another, and all I really have are weak leads here and there.

If everyone safeties because it's too early in the game then we'd leave it up to one giant kitb. Day one lynches are never fun and I'd much rather lynch no one. If anything doing a safety makes you look more suspicous because you're trying to avoid putting anyone against you.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 05, 2016, 07:36:07 AM
If everyone safeties because it's too early in the game then we'd leave it up to one giant kitb. Day one lynches are never fun and I'd much rather lynch no one. If anything doing a safety makes you look more suspicous because you're trying to avoid putting anyone against you.
I'd totally agree with you if it wasn't for this:
Please note that no lynch is not an option in this game.
Safeties are never fun and I'd prefer honest-to-goodness votes any day (especially when there's more than a couple of suspicious characters in the game right now), but I guess we have to take what we get.

for real though if you made a safety please please please decide on a real vote soon
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 05, 2016, 07:41:10 AM
Yeah I know... (I may not be able to read the OP but I can read davy's posts ^^)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 05, 2016, 10:42:58 AM
Tfw the op is one of davy's posts.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 05, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
Update will probably be an hour late. Phase still ends at 1:00PM CET.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 05, 2016, 01:14:09 PM
Dang it, switching to FA. Something about your playstyle is just rubbing me the wrong way, will post more later, but possibly not until after classes are over for the day.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 05, 2016, 02:31:13 PM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Day 1 is over. NocturneOfShadow was lynched. It's now night 2. Night 2 ends December 6th 4:45AM AKST, 5:45AM PST, 6:45AM MST, 7:45AM CST, 8:45AM EST, 2:45PM CET, 10:45PM AWST. That's roughly 24 hours from now. Happy Saint Nicholas Eve everyone.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 05, 2016, 07:03:13 PM
Right this should be simple.

If you didn't seer BDS then seer him now.

If you did seer BDS, seer anyone that you don't think is a fool. We can only all seer the same person if we guard them, but I think guarding BDS is better since his name is already out there as a seer target.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 05, 2016, 07:08:47 PM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 05, 2016, 07:37:51 PM
FireArrow... why are you pushing for a guard on BDS? I keep bringing this up with great points and you keep not responding to them...

If anything, we should guard you. You're active and most likely not a fool, making you a perfect wolfing target.

Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 05, 2016, 07:40:44 PM
Eh, your can't be a fool theory could be false. Remember, while a bad idea, fools can get killed by wolves, so it's not a horrible stratagy to play as human as possible. This isn't to say that I think he's the fool by any means, but the possibility cannot be dismissed.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 05, 2016, 07:43:51 PM
I was not talking about the possibility of BDS not being a fool (which still exists, mind you), I was referring to the fact that killing the fool is only in a fool's best interest.

Don't feel like typing it out again, pls reread the thread.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 05, 2016, 07:55:11 PM
I'm all for guarding FireArrow if we weren't busy confirming roles thanks to BDS. I'm gonna guard BDS tonight.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 05, 2016, 08:07:16 PM
Common sense has gone missing this phase. Let's all guard the player that no one wants to kill while a human dies.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 05, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
Olimar, what are you talking about?  If BDS really is a fool, it is in the wolves' best interest to kill him so we can't figure out our roles.  And thanks to my and others' failure last night phase, they now have the opportunity to do so unless we guard him.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 05, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
Finally had a chat with FireArrow:

Spoiler
[12:41:39 PM] Olimar12345: FireArrowwweew
[12:50:01 PM | Edited 1:20:40 PM] Olimar12345: Why do you want to waste our guardddddd
[12:50:41 PM] Olimar12345: There are greater reasons NOT to wolf BDS than there are to kill him!
[12:51:52 PM] Olimar12345: 1) BDS is a fool: wolves don't want to lose the game.
2) BDS iS a wolf: wolves don't want to kill themselves
3) BDS is a human: ???
[1:11:02 PM] Olimar12345: If you can at least acknowledge that the concern I am addressing has SOME validity, I'll feel better lol.
[1:11:21 PM] Olimar12345: Otherwise, it almost seems like a wolfish bandwagon
[1:14:13 PM] Olimar12345: BDS is the only one in this game that wants BDS dead and thank god he doesn't have the ability to kill himself.
[1:14:50 PM] Olimar12345: Lol
[1:16:34 PM] FireArrow: I'm at school rn sorry
[1:18:43 PM] Olimar12345: D:
[1:18:52 PM] Olimar12345: Okay we'll chat later I guess
[1:18:59 PM] FireArrow: Ok I escaped my classroom ehehh
[1:19:25 PM] FireArrow: BDS has value in that he let's people know their roles
[1:19:28 PM] Olimar12345: Well don't go and get yourself in trouble!
[1:19:37 PM] FireArrow: It's silent reading day so no one cares
[1:19:48 PM] Olimar12345: Looool
[1:19:57 PM] Olimar12345: Yes, BDS does have that value
[1:20:00 PM] Olimar12345: BUT
[1:20:19 PM] Olimar12345: that is a shot in the foot for the wolves and humans!
[1:20:38 PM] FireArrow: A fool dying by himself doesn't do anything bad
[1:20:46 PM] Olimar12345: We'll basically guard him and the wolves will kill a human
[1:20:50 PM] FireArrow: It's only when both die that were screwed
[1:20:59 PM] Olimar12345: No,
[1:21:02 PM] FireArrow: Yeah there's the opportunity cost though
[1:21:15 PM | Edited 1:29:44 PM] Olimar12345: When one dies, every following death matters
[1:21:39 PM] FireArrow: That's assuming we can predict who the wolves hit
[1:21:41 PM] Olimar12345: Unless
[1:21:45 PM] Olimar12345: You're a fool too
[1:21:59 PM] FireArrow: I wish I was
[1:22:00 PM] Olimar12345: But that should matter much to the other fool
[1:22:04 PM] Olimar12345: Unless
[1:22:10 PM] FireArrow: Becuase I could pretty easily get myself Wolfe rn
[1:22:20 PM] Olimar12345: The BDS death guarantee would stop you from winning if you were found out
[1:22:38 PM] Olimar12345: Eh just speculating
[1:22:41 PM] FireArrow: I'm confused
[1:23:27 PM] Olimar12345: I was saying that if you were the other fool and BDS was guaranteed a free death, no one would want you to die = you lose
[1:23:35 PM] FireArrow: Ye
[1:23:38 PM] Olimar12345: If you were seered or something
[1:24:15 PM] Olimar12345: You also might want BDS to die too though, if you cared about making everyone else lose
[1:24:46 PM] Olimar12345: Eh but back to the matter at hand
[1:24:56 PM] Olimar12345: No one wants the fools to win
[1:25:04 PM] Olimar12345: No one wants to lose to the fools
[1:25:24 PM] Olimar12345: So why is there a worry about them getting killed?
[1:25:29 PM] Olimar12345: No one should want that
[1:25:41 PM] FireArrow: Becuase killing BDS hurts the humans
[1:25:53 PM] FireArrow: And it's a matter of whether it hurts us more than the wolves
[1:26:02 PM] FireArrow: Which I think it does
[1:27:27 PM] Olimar12345: Yeah, I guess it does. But that's like, acting suicidal in a sense
[1:28:12 PM] FireArrow: I mean you though it was possible BDS was a suicidal wolf
[1:28:30 PM] FireArrow: So wolfing him tonight is plausible as well right?
[1:29:02 PM] Olimar12345: Many of the things I have said in the thread can contradict each other. I've mostly been showing the possibilities that no one wants to consider.
[1:29:36 PM] Olimar12345: Obviously if BDS is a wolf there is a death risk for them
[1:29:46 PM] Olimar12345: Which is not a smart move in the long run
[1:29:50 PM] Olimar12345: (Well maybe)
[1:30:09 PM] FireArrow: Not unless the last wolf plays everything perfectly
[1:30:28 PM] Olimar12345: ^exactly. It's risky, but only wolves and fools have any business claiming fool
[1:30:40 PM] FireArrow: Pretty much
[1:31:37 PM] Olimar12345: So considering the chance that BDS could be a wolf (50% chance just on the odds alone) shouldn't be that farfetched.
[1:32:12 PM] FireArrow: BDS is not the kind of player that would be thay risky imo
[1:32:20 PM] Olimar12345: You think?
[1:32:35 PM] FireArrow: Anyways I think the best way to handle this is to vote in the thread who to guard
[1:33:11 PM] Olimar12345: ^^^^^
[1:33:24 PM] Olimar12345: Although it will probably still be BDS
[1:33:29 PM] Olimar12345: eh
[1:33:43 PM] FireArrow: Present your case and try to convince people I guess
[1:34:15 PM] FireArrow: I disagree with you but I certaintly am capable of being wrong as I've showed many times
[close]

After some thinking, it doesn't make too much sense to decide on a human to protect and discuss it publicly here, where the wolves can easily see it and say "well okay just don't wolf them." I guess even if there is not a very strong reason to guard BDS, there is no reason to protect anyone else atm without it being a complete shot in the dark. We could protect FireArrow, someone whom I think looks pretty human, but I could be wrong. Next night phase we can make a better decision I guess, since we'll know a little more about our roles.

Ninda'd: TZP, the point I was making was that shooting BDS puts the game in hard-mode for everyone, not just the humans. 2 fool deaths = humans and wolves lose. "Why would any side want to UP their chances of misfiring?" was my initial argument.


Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 06, 2016, 02:49:23 PM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Night 2 is over. FireArrow was guarded. Maelstrom was wolfed. It's now day 2. Day 2 ends December 8th 5:30AM AKST, 6:30AM PST, 7:30AM MST, 8:30AM CST, 9:30AM EST, 3:30PM CET, 11:30PM AWST. That's roughly 48 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 06, 2016, 03:20:51 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AVENGE ME.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 06, 2016, 03:31:40 PM
Well well well, it looks like my idea was more popular than the thread was showing. And look at that, BDS is still alive! Lol. Rip Maelsteom, it looks like you were a human, which is still not good. Last night I seer'd Daj (since he was the only other person to publically claim) and he came back red. If both Daj and BDS are telling the truth, it looks like I am the Drunken Seer, but I might also be the Stoned Seer if they both false claimed, making BDS a wolf and Daj a fool. Post yo seering resultz.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 06, 2016, 04:24:44 PM
Seered TZP blue. I'm the gullible seer. BDS

Counterclaims exist now so anyone who doesn't share is immediately suspicious.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 06, 2016, 05:17:08 PM
I also seer'd TZP and he came back blue. I guess that means I'm the true seer so wooooooooo
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 06, 2016, 10:00:25 PM
Seer'd BDS! He came back blue.

I'm um, not the fool haha. Really. There's no reason not to claim as the fool (or at least, co-ordinate such that one fool reveals his role) if people can guard you. I really am a human ahaha

Two scenarios:
1. I am the drunken seer: Dudeman is a wolf and BDS is a fool
2. I am the stoned seer: Dudeman is possibly really the true seer and BDS is a wolf

I'm ready to eliminate the option that I'm the true seer because...well, Dudeman came out orange. And he seems to be...not orange.

BDS for now, willing to swap things a bit if I can be convinced otherwise~
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 06, 2016, 10:54:03 PM
^Eh there is technically a possibility that you could be a fool, and that you claimed human to appear suspicious in order to try to get yourself lynched as a wolf, but who's thinking that far into these things? xD

I still think that lynching BDS is a bad move in the long run. Next phase we run the real risk of accidentally killing the second fool (if the wolves don't accidentally do that first) and ending the game non-victoriously. I will, however concede that BDS is probably the safest lynch candidate at the moment. If we assume that both dead players are humans (worst case scenario) then the ratio of wolves to humans is closing in (4-2), and we can't afford to misfire this round. BDS. In some sense, I hope that BDS is really a wolf, since I would much rather deal with the issue of restarting our seer confirmations rather than have two wolves still alive...
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 06, 2016, 11:04:34 PM
Guys, I am so sorry.  I'm still on the loozer pile.  I have no idea how I managed to vote for a guard but forget about my seering power. 

I am indeed blue.  I'm glad you seer'd me last night, Dudeman.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 06, 2016, 11:08:44 PM
Guys, I am so sorry.  I'm still on the loozer pile.  I have no idea how I managed to vote for a guard but forget about my seering power. 

I am indeed blue.  I'm glad you seer'd me last night, Dudeman.
I mean, at least you apologized, but that looks extremely bad for you. And I'd be inclined to start thinking that you're a wolf, but I seer'd you blue and I also seer'd BDS orange so I don't think there's any other options...
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 06, 2016, 11:25:25 PM
Hmm i just realised my whole reasoning wasn't right. Fools aren't playing too openly and Dudeman is probably the drunk wolf shaman. In so TZP is playing a really weird fool game, so welp.

Reasoning coming later, cuz i need to do work and stuff ahaha
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 12:41:19 AM
1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip
4. Dude - Noc, TBA
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c
7. Shadowkirby - :c, TBA
8. BlackDragonSlayer - le fool
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 01:03:03 AM
1. It's impossible for three seers to all seer BDS blue and daj saw dudeman as a wolf.
One of these people is straight up lying: FireArrow, Olimar, Daj
Given that I'm the gullible seer and both olimar and daj are presumably the drunken seer, this leave it between Olimar and Daj.

2. Dude cannot be the Gullible seer so if both dudeman and dude are human, then noc was not.

I could keep going, but basically everything is a bunch of if-this-than-that and we don't have enough information to determine anything. If dude and shadowkirby come by with results we might be in a good spot. If not than we have to hope that noc was a wolf otherwise lose to inactivity.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 07, 2016, 01:49:51 AM
1. It's impossible for three seers to all seer BDS blue

Nope:

2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.

2. Drunken Wolf Shaman

We've found a wolf, guys.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 01:56:10 AM
Keep in mind that fools get random results too.  If one of them is a fool, that's another opportunity for a blue seering.

Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 07, 2016, 02:00:55 AM
*BDS vote temporarily redacted* Should we pursue this now, or wait a phase? (activity seems to be an issue tbh). Methinks Daj should post some more in the mean time. I'm getting okay vibes from FA, but not much of anything from Daj.

Ninja'd

Keep in mind that fools get random results too.  If one of them is a fool, that's another opportunity for a blue seering.

Oh wow, I misread that and thought it meant that they received one random but correct seering per night. Well, here we are. Either one of them (us, technically) is a fool or a wolf. Odds seem more in favor of wolf though, since the fool one would have to be random to get it correctly (could have been luck though).
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 02:04:49 AM
Wolves have no reason to tell us their true results so both fool and wolf are equally likely. I'd say that the both olimar and dudeman behave more like wolves than fools though, so there's that.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 02:07:04 AM
btw we kind of need to lynch bds just to deal with the possibility that he's a wolf and there really aren't any better targets today unless since with the whole daj, dudeman, olimar we're gambling between hitting a fool, reliable seer, or wolf and I'm not liking the probability of that lynch.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 07, 2016, 02:08:33 AM
Either one of them (us, technically) is a fool or a wolf. Odds seem more in favor of wolf though, since the fool one would have to be random to get it correctly (could have been luck though).
There is the possibility that there's both a fool and a wolf among you three (unless I'm missing something here). Granted, it's a small chance, but it's there. Might analyze that a bit later.

Ninja'd, gonna vote BDS for FA's reasons listed above.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 02:19:45 AM
My reasoning doesn't really work from your perspective if you're human, becuase that means you know the daj isn't. So, given that, the lynch to you should look like a choice between two people that are either a fool or a wolf.

Notice how both daj and olimar (pretending or not) are behaving on this premise?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 07, 2016, 02:27:25 AM
My reasoning doesn't really work from your perspective if you're human, becuase that means you know the daj isn't. So, given that, the lynch to you should look like a choice between two people that are either a fool or a wolf.

Notice how both daj and olimar (pretending or not) are behaving on this premise?
I'm sorry, I've read this post half a dozen times and I'm still completely lost. Could you clarify?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 02:32:18 AM
Yeah.  I think from their perspectives, Daj should be pushing for a Dudeman lynch, and Olimar should be pushing for a Daj lynch.

I'm also not sold on the idea that BDS might be a wolf.  That seems close to untenable.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 02:33:49 AM
ninja'd

Dudeman, if you're human, and BDS is a fool (which seems to be the case), then you know Daj lied about seering you.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 07, 2016, 02:43:29 AM
ninja'd

Dudeman, if you're human, and BDS is a fool (which seems to be the case), then you know Daj lied about seering you.
Ah, right, had to go back and look at the roles again. I'll have to rethink things now. Still keeping my vote on BDS for the moment.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 07, 2016, 02:47:55 AM
Apparently I guarded BDS last night instead of seering him

I seered FA red
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 02:57:11 AM
So
1. Dude is lying
2. Dude is the true seer.  Noc was a human, FA is a wolf, and Dudeman is probably the other wolf--fool less likely.
3. Dude is the stoned seer.  Noc was a wolf (not at all likely), and FA is a fool.

I appreciate how much FA's led the charge this game, but this is important: either Dude is lying, or FireArrow is not human.  Probably a wolf, since Noc's suicide as a wolf makes close to no sense.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 07, 2016, 03:03:25 AM
prolly gonna be ninja'd, typing all this on mobile jeez

So anyways I fucked up again. My bad ahaha

Right guys tell me if this makes sense ^^

So Mael and Noc both seered BDS red on Night 1. Both of them weren't fools, otherwise the whole world would know. That means that, if they didn't lie (seriously why would you lie), and considering all the other seering results (huge process skipped), we can assume that BDS is a fool. Which is nice. Which also means one of them was the Paranoid Seer and the other was the Stoned Seer. Doesn't matter which.

~

So um i trust myself and if you guys trust me then things work out quite nicely. I know I'm a seer, I know that my results are skewed because I seered BDS blue when everyone suggests he's a fool. So i'm a drunken fool, aaand Olimar is seering weird/lying. More on that later.

Anyway, let's fill in the blanks. BDS is a fool as we all know, and Dudeman could be the Wolf Shaman claiming to be a true seer (they do, after all, have the same ability). That means TZP has to be blue. And then we're left with the inactive players plus Olimar.

~

So um, Olimar is irky. I know I'm blue and I'm pretty certain i'm a drunken seer, so consider the possibility that he's a fool trying to kill himself.

So yep, here's what I have:

1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP: Wolf Shaman
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj: fool? ;)
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
4. Dude - Noc, TBA:
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c: idk but he's blue
7. Shadowkirby - :c, TBA:
8. BlackDragonSlayer - le fool: yeah he's a fool alright
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman: Drunken Seer
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP:
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 07, 2016, 03:03:49 AM
anyway one more post coming to update with dude's seering
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 03:18:32 AM
1. We need to lynch BDS to know if he's a fool or not because right now we're treating this as a given with our logic.
2. What TZP said.

Basically imo I see the most likely scenario being Olimar/Dudeman/Dude as some combination of wolves and fools. Replace Dude with me if you trust him.

The real question is who ya'll should seer tonight (my results will always come back blue.) Dude is probably the best option since he's seperate from this whole suspicous trio you guys have going on, and seering eachother will be counter productive. The reason why dude over me is because dude is much more likely to a fool and therefore a more dangerous mislynch (if you guess wrong on me then you kill a useless seer, whoop de doo.)

 
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 07, 2016, 03:29:03 AM
Actually let's consider this possibility:

Dude is not lying, no one lied on Night 1, and FA plays like a champ.

So Dude is the Wolf Shaman and FA is the Drunken Wolf Shaman. Hear me out a little ;)

Both of them report the true results on Day 1, but on Day 2 FA takes advantage of the situation that no one has claimed Gullible Seer and false-claims TZP blue. Also happens to co-incide with Dudeman's seer, eh? ;) So this throws us off a little. I guess this could have been a little test to see who was who on Night 1, and since knowing BDS' role would reveal to he wolves who was who they were pretty on-the-ball when it came to figuring out who BDS was.

Slot in the roles, and suddenly everything except FA's second seering fits perfectly ;)

1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP: Wolf Shaman
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj: fool? ;)
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
4. Dude - Noc, FA: Real Seer
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c: by elimination, Gullible Seer
7. Shadowkirby - :c, TBA: Foolish Seer
8. BlackDragonSlayer - le fool: yeah he's a fool alright
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman: Drunken Seer
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP: Drunken wolf Shaman

Now a BDS lynch today - we know he's a fool cuz the wolves have kindly sifted that out for us - would mean we only have one more day phase to turn things around before the wolves win by condition.

I'm quite sure about it, and there's no inconsistencies - Dudeman and FA are the wolves. So guys, let's do this:

Lynch Dudeman.
Seer FA tonight.

(and protect me maybe that'll be cool <3)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 03:35:00 AM
There is a very strong case to be made for that^
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 07, 2016, 03:41:04 AM
There is a very strong case to be made for that^

hehe thanks ;)

Um two more people need to claim for a blue victory. That's dude and you (tzp)! :) Once you guys claim blue there is no way this is wrong, and we've won~
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 07, 2016, 04:08:40 AM
Ugh too much is going on. I'll make an actual post when I get home, but I just wanted to say that this I agree with right now.

1. We need to lynch BDS to know if he's a fool or not because right now we're treating this as a given with our logic.

I still don't like the idea of intentionally killing fools, but right now it would be nice to have some sort of knowledge based on cold hard facts rather than keeping track of a whole bunch of scenarios. BDS 
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 07, 2016, 04:11:10 AM
Long analysis
The problem I'm seeing here is that, while you did an amazing analysis, you don't come out with the true seer, and the only person who fits that category (me, which makes this post defensive), you paint as the Wolf Shaman. That combined with this:
Dudeman, if you're human, and BDS is a fool (which seems to be the case), then you know Daj lied about seering you.
is making me doubt all your conclusions. On top of that:
Second analysis
You start off by pitching the idea that Dude and FA are the wolves, and explain the events of the game from this perspective. But then you turn around and say Dude's the true seer and I'm still a wolf? What happened?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 07, 2016, 04:23:05 AM
The problem I'm seeing here is that, while you did an amazing analysis, you don't come out with the true seer, and the only person who fits that category (me, which makes this post defensive), you paint as the Wolf Shaman. That combined with this:is making me doubt all your conclusions. On top of that:You start off by pitching the idea that Dude and FA are the wolves, and explain the events of the game from this perspective. But then you turn around and say Dude's the true seer and I'm still a wolf? What happened?

ahaha excuse the mess up there i'm on mobile xD

Um it's the whole naming thing haha. I meant to say that you (Dudeman) were the wolf shaman and unintentionally shortened it, welp. So things should make sense now~

Also doesn't help that, by my little analysis, Dude (without the man at the back) is the true seer. So yep~

Mm i know i didnt lie about seering you because hey, there's no point in that. Plus, why paint someone as a fool? That's just kinda weird and self-destructive most of the time.

I guess we could lynch BDS on this day phase though. A dangerous day phase is scary, but still can translate to a blue victory. That being said i will stick with my vote. I'm actually pretty sure things work out that way~
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 05:38:00 AM
So
1. Dude is lying
2. Dude is the true seer.  Noc was a human, FA is a wolf, and Dudeman is probably the other wolf--fool less likely.
3. Dude is the stoned seer.  Noc was a wolf (not at all likely), and FA is a fool.

I appreciate how much FA's led the charge this game, but this is important: either Dude is lying, or FireArrow is not human.  Probably a wolf, since Noc's suicide as a wolf makes close to no sense.

I just remembered--we lynched Noc, he wasn't wolfed.  So Noc could ostensibly have been a wolf.  My bad, guys, I really must be checked out here.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 07:01:20 AM
This is important so I'm gonna say it before defending myself:

1. I am garunteed to not be a fool. I got a fool to claim so we can seer him then lynch him as a thanks - this is literally the worst possible thing I could do as a fool because it puts me in a situation where I'm the last fool and everyone is going to be incredibly weary of killing one.

2. Given that, I'm either a useless seer or a wolf. There's very little risk of mislynching me.

3. Dude could easily be a fool just screweing with us.

4. Seering dude can confirm my humanity.

Add up all of the above, and whatever role you think I am seering dude is by far the best option. If he's human, I'm a wolf. If he's not, than we know whether or not he's a fool or wolf.
What happens when you seer me instead? You either hit a wolf or you find out I'm human and are left to wonder whether dude is the last fool or not.


but on Day 2 FA takes advantage of the situation that no one has claimed Gullible Seer and false-claims TZP blue.

Now for my defense. I was the second one to claim, there's absolutely no way I could of known there would be this fiasco when I claimed gullible seer (or even know if that role would go without a counterclaim.)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 07:08:55 AM
As for your analysis of roles, you're basing it off of these three assumptions.

1. Dude is human.
2. Olimar is a fool.
3. TZP is human.

Please explain why you think these are more likely to be true than their alternative.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 07, 2016, 07:39:07 AM
1. Dude is human.
I would particularly like to hear this one. I can maybe buy Olimar as a fool and TZP as human (as I believe him to be), but Dude's been acting weird from the start.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 07, 2016, 02:00:03 PM
Is bds really a fool tho?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 07, 2016, 02:47:15 PM
Ah, right. Let's wait for more confirmation.

BDS. sorry man, it had to be you :p

I guess I'll hold on to my views for a bit, but I do see the value in confirming whether BDS really is a fool. Won't kill us, gives us some ground to work on.

All that being said i really think we should seer FA/Dudeman tonight ahaha
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 06:42:31 PM
How about this. Olimar seers dudeman, Dudeman seers dude, daj you can seer me. Everyone in the thread guards whoever they think is least likely to be a wolf of the three so a random one of you guys is guarded.

TZP you need to seer someone whose already been seered so we can try and figure out your role. Tbh pushing for your lynch would not be a bad idea if you miss another seering.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 07, 2016, 07:35:46 PM
I'm going to vote FA tho
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 07, 2016, 07:57:59 PM
How about this. Olimar seers dudeman, Dudeman seers dude, daj you can seer me. Everyone in the thread guards whoever they think is least likely to be a wolf of the three so a random one of you guys is guarded.
Are we gonna get anyone to seer daj? I'm on board with this idea otherwise.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 08:16:09 PM
Hey, I could use a study break.  Long post.
As FA says, Daj has 3 assumptions.
1. Dude is human.
2. Olimar is a fool.
3. TZP is human.

If you hold those assumptions, you get Daj's breakdown.
1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP: Wolf Shaman
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj: fool? ;)
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
4. Dude - Noc, FA: Real Seer
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c: by elimination, Gullible Seer
7. Shadowkirby - :c, TBA: Foolish Seer
8. BlackDragonSlayer - le fool: yeah he's a fool alright
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman: Drunken Seer
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP: Drunken wolf Shaman

What if
1. Dude is human.
2. Olimar is a HUMAN.
3. TZP is human.

Operating under the assumption that BDS is a fool, that casues problems, because Olimar seer'd BDS and Daj, making Olimar the drunken seer.  This however causes problems because Daj is ALSO claiming to be the drunken seer if BDS is a fool, which would make Daj not human in this case.  This would make Dudeman the true seer, which means Dude has to be lying.
1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP: True Seer
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj: Drunken Seer
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
4. Dude - Noc, FA: ??
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c: Some kinda seer
7. Shadowkirby - :c, TBA: ??
8. BlackDragonSlayer - le fool: yeah he's a fool alright
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman: Drunken Wolf Shaman
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP: ??

In this instance, Dude is either a fool or a wolf, and either FA or Shadowkirby is Daj's wolf partner if he's not.  Because Shadowkirby hasn't seer'd or been seer'd, we just don't know.

What about if
1. Dude is a human.
2. Olimar is A WOLF.
3. TZP is human.
Olimar rode the bandwagon on BDS and lied about his Daj seering.  That gives us Daj as the legit Drunken seer and Dudeman as a wolf, probably the sober one.  Basically the same thing Daj had, but with Olimar and FA switched.
1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP: Wolf Shaman
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj: Drunken Wolf Shaman
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
4. Dude - Noc, FA: Real Seer
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip: Paranoid/Stoned Seer
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c: by elimination, Gullible Seer
7. Shadowkirby - :c, TBA: Foolish Seer
8. BlackDragonSlayer - le fool: yeah he's a fool alright
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman: Drunken Seer
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP: Fool

I didn't analyze anything with me not being human because I feel like it should be fairly obvious that I am at this point.

How about if
1. Dude is NOT human.
In this case, it's a lot more difficult to make a judgment call, simply because Dude has been seer'd by no one and we're just trying to gauge his behavior.  He would be a very good candidate for seering tonight.

@FA, if you want to lynch me just because I haven't provided helpful seering results, you should go for Shadowkirby instead.  At least I've been active.

Davy, any chance we might be able to get a replacement for shadowkirby?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 08:53:13 PM
Are we gonna get anyone to seer daj? I'm on board with this idea otherwise.

Dude can seer daj since I guess he's the fourth reliable seer claim. Olimar already did seer him and your seering result of him is useless (if you're human he's not, if your not human you're gonna pretend he's not.)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 07, 2016, 08:55:10 PM
Dude can seer daj since I guess he's the fourth reliable seer claim. Olimar already did seer him and your seering result of him is useless (if you're human he's not, if your not human you're gonna pretend he's not.)
True. All right, I'm in support of the plan.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 07, 2016, 09:03:11 PM

@FA, if you want to lynch me just because I haven't provided helpful seering results, you should go for Shadowkirby instead.  At least I've been active.

Davy, any chance we might be able to get a replacement for shadowkirby?

Most of your post doesn't mean much to me because I personally know that dude isn't human. And yws I'm equally suspicious of shadow kirby. Reason being is the best wolf plan atm would be exactly what you're doing (be active enough to look human, don't post seer results to avoid counterclaims and sit safely knowing that the fool will cause enough chaos to keep people off your back.)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 09:58:47 PM
Vote count:
Dudeman--BDS
Olimar12345--BDS
Dude--FA
TheZeldaPianist275--Dudeman
Shadowkirby--tbd
BlackDragonSlayer--tbd
dajwxp--BDS
FireArrow--BDS

The more I think about it, the more logical a Dudeman lynch seems today.  Basically, the only way he's a human is if Dude is lying, Daj is lying, and either FA or Shadowkirby is a human or a wolf (see my earlier post for why).  I'm not sure I like those odds.  I understand the allure of wanting to ice BDS so we get a good read on our roles, but that would have been better day 1.  Right now, I think it's a good idea to pursue this lead here.

Don't kill BDS.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 07, 2016, 10:35:27 PM
As much as killing BDS is not a really a good idea, you do realize that if you're wrong we essentially lose, right?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 07, 2016, 10:40:20 PM
Oh snap, fools don't count toward the wolves' win condition. You're right, if we mislynch, and the wolves kill a human, we lose.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 07, 2016, 11:30:57 PM
You can always kill me so I don't have to deal with this game anymore
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 07, 2016, 11:34:11 PM
Dude idk why I play these
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 08, 2016, 03:34:28 PM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Day 2 is over. BlackDragonSlayer was lynched. A fool has been lynched. It's now Night 3. Night 3 ends December 9th 5:30AM AKST, 6:30AM PST, 7:30AM MST, 8:30AM CST, 9:30AM EST, 3:30PM CET, 11:30PM AWST. That's roughly 24 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 08, 2016, 06:52:21 PM
Well, here we are. BDS was a fool, so worst case scenario we have TONIGHT to find a wolf to lynch (or enough other role confirmations) in order to not lose.

RIGHT NOW if Noc/Mael was a wolf, we have 1 wolf, 5 humans, and 1 fool. If neither of them were a wolf, we're looking at 2 wolves, 4 humans, and 1 fool.

AFTER TONIGHT there are several scenarios:
1) noc/mael weren't wolves and the wolves hit a human, resulting in 2 wolves, 3 humans, and 1 fool.
2) noc/mael weren't wolves and the wolves hit a guarded human, resulting in 2 wolves, 4 humans, and 1 fool.
3) noc/mael was a wolf and the remaining wolf hits a human, resulting in 1 wolf, 4 humans, and 1 fool.
4) noc/mael was a wolf and the remaining wolf hits a guarded human, resulting in 1 wolf, 5 humans, and 1 fool.
5)

Then there's the possibility of the wolves accidentally hitting a fool (regardless of how many wolves are alive), which unless guarded results in insta-lose for everyone else.

We need to guard anyone that isn't a wolf, preferably someone who looks like a good wolf target. I would recommend not announcing it here publically though, everyone just vote for whomever you want.

Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 08, 2016, 07:31:26 PM
I actually like that better than my guard plan (although it's still similar so w/e)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 08, 2016, 07:34:05 PM
Noc/Mael
Mael got wolfed, remember? If anyone was a wolf, it would have been Noc. You might want to revise this to account for Mael being a human.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 08, 2016, 07:43:02 PM
Oh shit yeah I forgot. So basically it should still be the same, but with noc only.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 09, 2016, 03:36:56 AM
Guess who just actually sent in a seering?  This guy
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 09, 2016, 05:05:23 AM
Rejoice
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 09, 2016, 05:12:16 AM
Thanks for playing the game

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQp2C6Ezi7B0TdE2vP1nxDnf-Wsx_GDp1t4vFKNwye8d8agp0eo)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: EFitTrainr on December 09, 2016, 10:26:54 AM
alright BITCHES

who the fuck should I seer
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 09, 2016, 03:20:10 PM
Me, FA, Daj, or Dudeman--someone who's already been seer'd. Don't forget to guard someone too.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 09, 2016, 03:45:56 PM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Night 3 is over. TheZeldaPianist was guarded. Shadowkirby was wolf'd. It's now Day 3. Day 3 ends December 11th 6:00AM AKST, 7:00AM PST, 8:00AM MST, 9:00AM CST, 10:00AM EST, 4:00PM CET, midnight AWST. That's roughly 48 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 09, 2016, 04:13:54 PM
alright BITCHES

who the fuck should I seer

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQp2C6Ezi7B0TdE2vP1nxDnf-Wsx_GDp1t4vFKNwye8d8agp0eo)

Rip

Well shit, numbers are dwindling. I seer'd dudeman and he came up red. If our luck is shit, we cannot afford a mislynch this phase. I'll be back to post a suspicion list + lynch recommendation.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 09, 2016, 05:02:32 PM
Surprisingly, I got that too.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 09, 2016, 05:56:08 PM
Unsurpisingly, I seer'd Dude orange.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 09, 2016, 05:59:03 PM
@Dude, you got that Dudeman was red?

I got FireArrow as blue. Will post thoughts when I have time later.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 09, 2016, 06:24:20 PM
FireArrow was red.

weeelllll shit. He's human. Sorry man xD
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 09, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP, Dude
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj, Dudeman
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip
4. Dude - Noc, FA, Dudeman
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c, FA
7. Shadowkirby - :c, >:c, rip
8. BlackDragonSlayer - le fool
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman, FA
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP, tba

Got a lot to work with here.  I'll get my thoughts down in a while.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 09, 2016, 06:57:54 PM
Might as well come clean, I lied about FA. I apparently seered shadowkirby the second night and got orange for no reason even though he wasn't a fool??

So maybe fool's readings are shit?? And I suck at this game??
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 09, 2016, 07:00:23 PM
Still have no clue what Olimar is tho so why not
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 09, 2016, 07:14:30 PM
I seered daj blue. I may or may not be that active today gotta write up a final essay by midnight.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 09, 2016, 07:18:43 PM
So maybe fool's readings are shit?? And I suck at this game??
I mean it says in the OP that fools get a random seering of a random player so yeah I guess that first part's true

also I guess this confirms Dude as fool?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 09, 2016, 08:29:53 PM
Here is are everyone's claims.

1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP, Dude -- True Seer
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj, Dudeman -- Drunken Seer
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip -- Stoned/Paranoid Seer
4. Dude - Noc, Shadowkirby, Dudeman  -- Fool 2 ??
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip -- Stoned/Paranoid Seer
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c, FA
7. Shadowkirby - :c, >:c, rip  -- Foolish Seer
8. BlackDragonSlayer -- le fool
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman, FA -- Drunken Seer
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP, Daj -- Gullible Seer

Olimar and Dudeman are the wolves.

Olimar and Daj are both implicitly claiming Drunken Seer, but here's the thing: Olimar claims to see Daj as human.  See, if there's a counterclaim in TWG, you don't ever try to deal with that claim by arguing that your counterclaim is actually human.  Olimar is the liar here.  If Daj is actually the Drunken Seer, then, Dudeman is the other wolf and FA is on the level. 

ACTUAL ROLES

1. Dudeman - BDS, TZP, Dude -- Wolf Shaman
2. Olimar12345 - BDS, Daj, Dudeman -- Drunken Wolf Shaman
3. Maelstrom - BDS, rip -- Stoned/Paranoid Seer
4. Dude - Noc, Shadowkirby, Dudeman  -- Fool 2 ??
5. NocturneOfShadow - BDS, rip -- Stoned/Paranoid Seer
6. TheZeldaPianist275 - :c, >:c, FA -- True Seer
7. Shadowkirby - :c, >:c, rip  -- Foolish Seer
8. BlackDragonSlayer -- le fool
9. dajwxp - BDS, Dudeman, FA -- Drunken Seer
10. FireArrow - BDS, TZP, Daj -- Gullible Seer

Let's get this done, everyone.  Lynch Olimar today, Dudeman tomorrow, guard Dude tonight so the wolves won't be sore losers.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 09, 2016, 09:29:36 PM
With Dude a confirmed fool, here's my suspicion list:
1. Olimar. Actively fought against FA's plan from the start, and I think it was a great plan. As TZP pointed out, he kind of shot himself in the foot by using Daj to claim Drunken Seer. But there is something to be said about...
2. Daj. Based on his playstyle, I wouldn't be surprised if he was lying. He swapped between lynch votes often, and his long analysis on Day 2 hinged on the idea that Olimar was the fool, a good move if they were partners. Both of them acting as Drunken Seer could be a result of stepping on each other's toes, or as an effort to save one if the other dies. A stretch? Maybe. But a lot of Daj's analysis has seemed kind of assumptive and reeks of "believe me I'm human trust me".
3. FA. Played aggressively from the start, sure, but he's basically led us all through this for the humans. He defended the seering plan and put thought into his analyses. He's human in my book.
4. TZP. Tied with FA really but I've seen absolutely nothing to paint him as a wolf. You're cool, buddy.

Olimar is my pick today, but Daj is a close second.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 09, 2016, 10:41:36 PM
I agree with Olimar being a wolf over daj. This being true means that daj is human, thus making dudeman the second wolf. Yay tzp.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 09, 2016, 10:47:17 PM
Olimar is my pick today, but Daj is a close second.

Olimar and daj are not compatible wolf partners. Additionally daj seered you as a wolf. From your perspective daj and tzp should be wolf partners.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 09, 2016, 10:51:02 PM
Pls insta and get this day over with
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 09, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
Actually since you seered TZP blue if you were human I'd have to be a wolf partners with daj, so your post really makes no sense. Also considering how unlikely that situation is its a pretty good case for you being wolf.

Olimar
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 10, 2016, 01:49:53 AM
Alright, I think this makes sense.

Olimar

Cheers guys ;)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 10, 2016, 09:00:53 AM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

INSTA! Day 3 is over. Olimar12345 was lynched. It's now Night 4. Night 4 ends December 10th 11:00PM AKST, midnight PST, December 11th 1:00AM MST, 2:00AM CST, 3:00AM EST, 9:00AM CET, 3:00PM AWST. That's roughly 24 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: FireArrow on December 10, 2016, 09:27:17 AM
Listen to TZP and guard dude. TZP seer dudeman daj seer whoever you want.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 10, 2016, 10:35:17 AM
We've got one wolf left, woohoo~

Also, roger that FA ;)
(sorry i doubted you ahaha)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 10, 2016, 10:14:32 PM
or am i the wolf

ohoho
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 11, 2016, 10:08:25 AM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Night 4 is over. Dude was guardded. FireArrow was wolfed. It's now day 4. Day 4 ends December 13th midnight AKST, 1:00AM PST, 2:00AM MST, 3:00AM CST, 4:00AM EST, 10:00AM CET, 4:00PM AWST. That's roughly 48 hours from now.
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Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: daj on December 11, 2016, 10:17:49 AM
Seer'd Dude blue. So he's a fool. Weeellllp. Game's over unless inactivity is a thing haha. Turns out I was the drunken seer.

Dudeman.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 11, 2016, 03:50:41 PM
Dudeman is red.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 11, 2016, 05:08:11 PM
Dude
 8)
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 11, 2016, 06:35:05 PM
DUDE I'M LEAVING IT UP TO CHANCE BITCHES
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 11, 2016, 07:16:22 PM
Dudeman, you lose either way. Either Daj and I win, or Dude wins. In no possible outcome do you come out on top here. That said, do you really think that Dude deserves to win over us? Congrats, you played well, but you lost. There is no need to give us the middle finger here.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 11, 2016, 07:17:08 PM
I'M LEAVING IT UP TO CHANCE BITCHES
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 11, 2016, 07:18:51 PM
Of course I can't win at this point, so I'm gonna make the last day that much more interesting.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 11, 2016, 07:19:18 PM
To be fair, I probably would too.

you are still a tool
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 11, 2016, 07:23:57 PM
Does that count as an insta, or do we just have to wait the day out?
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 11, 2016, 08:03:49 PM
I will end the phase early if at least three of you are fine with me doing so.
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 11, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
This is my consent post
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dude on December 11, 2016, 08:48:50 PM
Sure
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 11, 2016, 09:24:19 PM
go for it

/me flips coin
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: davy on December 11, 2016, 09:39:04 PM
TWG XCII: Seeriously!

Both wolves are told that they are the Wolf Shaman. They know eachother.
1. Wolf Shaman
2. Drunken Wolf Shaman - Seers humans orange and seers fools blue.

All humans are told that they are the Seer.
3. Seer
4. Drunken Seer - Seers humans red, wolves orange and fools blue.
5. Stoned Seer - Seers humans orange, wolves blue and fools red.
6. Paranoid Seer - Seers every player red.
7. Gullible Seer - Seers every player blue.
8. Foolish Seer - Seers every player orange.

Fools do not know eachother. Whenever a fool dies, it will be posted that a fool has died.
9. Fool Random Seer - Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.
10. Fool Random Seer Gets a random seering result (red, blue or orange) of a random player each night phase.

There will be no wolfing night 1.
Players cannot seer themselves. Players can only seer living players. If a player dies during the same phase as he is seer'd, the seering wil fail.

Each night phase (except for night one) every player (including wolf and fool players) vote for one player by PM. The player with the most votes is guarded from wolfing. Ties are decided by kitb. At the end of the night phase, it will be posted which player was guarded that night phase.

Wolves win when at any point in the game #wolves=#humans.
Humans win when both wolves are dead.
Fools win individually when they die. The game ends when both fools are dead (even if no other team has won at that point).



1. Dudeman
2. Olimar12345
3. Maelstrom
4. Dude
5. NocturneOfShadow
6. TheZeldaPianist275
7. Shadowkirby
8. BlackDragonSlayer
9. dajwxp
10. FireArrow

Day 4 is over. KitB! Dude was lynched.

Fools Win
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Dudeman on December 11, 2016, 09:46:44 PM
well dammit, sorry humans


gg everybody
Title: Re: TWG XCII: Seeriously!
Post by: Maelstrom on December 11, 2016, 09:52:42 PM
Thanks