Submission Information:
Series: Super Mario
Game: Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
Console: Nintendo DS
Title: Tough Guy Alert!
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: maxmic480 (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4984)
It may just be me, but I really wish you indicated the keys, even though they're constantly changing. Even if the fourth scale degree is going to be raised most of the times we hear it, and the seventh lowered, I still like it indicated by a key signature which key we're feeling.
Ooh, thank you for this. The M&LBIS song I wanted the most on this site.
I changed the keys and added double bars so here is the result: Link (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0WqFUYSBNWiRXVYdTlSQmEzcEk)
I'm not sure about it though. What about measures 17-24? Can that be considered D-major?
And do you want me to change to A-major at measure 49 for one measure and a half?
No, 17-24 is G major. And I don't think the latter matters.
Does that mean the score should be in F-major instead of C-major, like this: Link (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0WqFUYSBNWibjBEelRRM2IzcDA)?
Also I just noticed that measures 45-49 are incorrect, I will update this later today.
Oo nice sheet! Will take a closer look at the keys later.
A few other things:
- Keep in mind playability. Parallel thirds as 16th notes at this speed are just... not fun.
- Have you considered clef changes for m. 3 and m. 49? That's a lot of ledger lines under treble.
- The ties from 29-36 are a little odd. I get what you're trying to indicate and I agree with it, but some of the tie directions are strange. Play with a bit and see if you can clean it up a little bit.
Also do you have a reliable source for the title?
I updated the pdf (Link (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0WqFUYSBNWiY2VrUl9PNmpEeFE)) and the midi (Link (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0WqFUYSBNWiMTVmeHNSb090aFE)) on my Drive.
I'm not finished with this score so I didn't convert the score into Finale format yet: the pdf and the midi are from MuseScore.
I corrected the clefs at m.3 and 49, and the parts at m.29-36 and m.45-49.
I didn't change the thirds for now since I like what they bring to the melody.
But I can't play the 16th notes on my piano and measure 49 is a real pain too so I will remove them on the next update.
My only source for the title is BrawlBRSTMs3... I searched an official album for the names but there isn't many results.
I found a Japanese site and when translated in Google Translate the song was "Beware of tough enemies" or something like that.
It was Japan-only, but this (http://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_%26_Luigi_RPG:_Sound_Selection) may be helpful.
The translation is "The Tough Guys Require Attention?!" However, I've seen this track labeled as "Tough Guy Alert" and just plain "Boss Battle" as well.
"They're Pretty Tough, Should We be Careful!?" definitely seems to be the most often used title, though the most official one "The Tough Guys Require Attention?!" Either of those 2 would be what I'd use.
Also, about the key signatures... I would personally put m1-16 all in F major, m17-28 in G major, and the rest in A minor. The 4-measure key changes you put in the middle seem more like transitions from F to G, etc. and there's no key change I can tell happening at all at m45.
I'm not really an expert on key sigs in general, but I feel like that would be the best option here.
Also, I believe that in the RH chord on measure 36 the top note should be a C and not a D. I could be wrong, but I don't hear a D in the chord when listening to the song.
While the Japanese name differs (it's the one you have now, as per the sound selection CD), this track (the original, not a remix) is in Smash Bros. Wii U and is labeled "Tough Guy Alert!" so that name is probably the one I would go with.
I updated the submission: I changed the 16ths and the triplets so that it should be playable at BPM = 184.
So how do I change the name of a submission? Should I remove this submission and make a new one?
Quote from: Static on January 19, 2017, 04:08:17 PMAlso, about the key signatures... I would personally put m1-16 all in F major, m17-28 in G major, and the rest in A minor. The 4-measure key changes you put in the middle seem more like transitions from F to G, etc. and there's no key change I can tell happening at all at m45.
I think you are right, the parts at m13-16, 25-28 and 45-48 are transitions. I realized that the A-major scale at m49 can't be in a F-major key... I changed the key signatures like you said. Thank you.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on January 19, 2017, 04:44:11 PMAlso, I believe that in the RH chord on measure 36 the top note should be a C and not a D. I could be wrong, but I don't hear a D in the chord when listening to the song.
The top note (D) in the chord at m36 is from another instrument in the background that is heard only in m35-36.
I added it (along with the C at m35) because I think that it is important to the melody line.
The bottom note should indeed be a C from the original melody but I modified it to a A to avoid a 2nd (C+D).
When you go to edit the submission, just change what it says in the text box for the title and then save.
Quote from: Deku Trombonist on January 20, 2017, 05:21:49 PMWhen you go to edit the submission, just change what it says in the text box for the title and then save.
Ok, it was that simple...
So I did that. The submission is now named "Tough Guy Alert!" as suggested by SlowPokemon.
Thank you.
Looking real nice! Some more comments:
- About the eighth rests in beat 2 of m. 1 and 2: yeah, that voice doesn't play there but the percussion still plays on the beat so it sounds a bit odd having a rest there. I'd recommend replacing the rests with a C below.
- Is there any reason the melody is lowered an octave throughout most of the song? It results in the RH becoming uncomfortably close to the LH in a few places.
- Rhythm grouping: When in 4/4 be sure to show beat 3. Here that would mean breaking up the half note into an eighth tied to a dotted quarter.
- Ties look better now! Maybe flip the ones in 30-31 still?
- m. 29-36: spice up the bass a little bit! You've got two different types of drums here, so perhaps something like using a different octave of the same note to help differentiate between them.
Quote from: Latios212 on January 22, 2017, 07:30:38 PMLooking real nice!
Thank you!
Quote from: Latios212 on January 22, 2017, 07:30:38 PM- Rhythm grouping: When in 4/4 be sure to show beat 3. Here that would mean breaking up the half note into an eighth tied to a dotted quarter.
- Ties look better now! Maybe flip the ones in 30-31 still?
I updated the submission with this done. I also added articulations for the left hand.
After trying to play the score I completely removed thirds in the 16th and the triplets.
The measure 49 is back to triplets (RH) on eighth notes (LH).
Quote from: Latios212 on January 22, 2017, 07:30:38 PM- About the eighth rests in beat 2 of m. 1 and 2: yeah, that voice doesn't play there but the percussion still plays on the beat so it sounds a bit odd having a rest there. I'd recommend replacing the rests with a C below.
- m. 29-36: spice up the bass a little bit! You've got two different types of drums here, so perhaps something like using a different octave of the same note to help differentiate between them.
I tried these changes, here's the result: pdf (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0WqFUYSBNWiaXVDM0s2VWJ2Ync)/midi (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0WqFUYSBNWiLU9oLW5zSVQzSUE).
m1-2: Somehow I never noticed the percussion on these beats!
Should I add also a bass C on the rest at the beginning of m. 3?
m29-36: I used the top octave since the bottom octave would be A0 (I don't really want to use that note) and as the rhythms in the octaves are different, I wrote the rhythm for the Right Hand. The rhythm replaces the whole notes A.
Quote from: Latios212 on January 22, 2017, 07:30:38 PM- Is there any reason the melody is lowered an octave throughout most of the song? It results in the RH becoming uncomfortably close to the LH in a few places.
Here is a look on what the score should be with the correct octaves: pdf (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0WqFUYSBNWiLVRPTEUzVWdKZ3c)/midi (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B0WqFUYSBNWiY0hnY0ZnOFZNa2c).
On the RH, almost everything is an octave higher than my score except for the synth, brass and marimba parts (m. 1-4, 29-36, 45-54 and all the ascending thirds like in m. 8 & 20 are unchanged). On the LH, only m. 45-48 is an octave higher, but it makes the part unplayable so that's why there is an octava.
When the melody is like in the song, there is two octaves between the RH and the LH.
I really think that it's better to lower the melody, it creates gaps of 1 or 2 octaves between most of the transitions (m. 8, 20, 4-5, 28-29, 37, 40, 44-45) and in my opinion on the piano it sounds better an octave lower.
The notes at m. 8, 9, 20, 21 don't bother me when I'm playing, but I can remove them if necessary.
Hey, lots of good things going on here. I'm really liking the simplicity of it, yet you retained the feel of the original. A few small things:
- Make sure to add the composer and arranger name, game title, and quotes around the song name on the first page.
- Watch the eighth rest positioning in m54; I'd move it below the whole notes.
- The first half note dyad in m14 and m26 should actually be 2 quarter note dyads.
- Staccatos in the LH in m29-36 should be below the notes.
- Measure 36 RH looks kinda odd with the dotted half note. Maybe just make it 2 layers and change the whole note to a dotted half so it's easier to read or remove the dotted half note doubling the whole note so the stem is on the right side.
- Watch dynamic placing in m37.
- There's a low brass melody in m45-49 that I think you should bring out more instead of just the quarter note chords.
- Spacing between staves in m49-51 should match the rest of the sheet.
Other than these minor issues, this sheet looks great! Notes are correct from what I can tell, and accidentals are good.
Quote from: maxmic480 on January 27, 2017, 04:15:51 PMm1-2: Somehow I never noticed the percussion on these beats!
Should I add also a bass C on the rest at the beginning of m. 3?
That would be cool!
You still there? I'll archive this for now, but we'd love to see this come back with all the fixes.