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Title: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 19, 2017, 02:09:42 AM
TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG

There's no seering in this game, so colors are just for convenience.

Wolves
1. Breaking the rules - Can wolf a player during the night phase. If he wolves a player, Inactivity cannot use its power during the same night phase.
2. Inactivity - Cannot wolf. Each night phase can target one player, except himself or Breaking the rules. That player loses his vote. If Inactivity uses its power, Breaking the rules cannot wolf during the same night phase. During the day phase, Inactivity can opt to have its voting power changed based on the amount of times it succesfully caused a player to lose its vote:
        0 times: vote counts for 1
        1 time: vote counts for 1,01
        2 times: vote counts for 2,01
        3 times or more: Any vote he casts immediately causes an insta on the player Inactivity voted for, and other players' votes can't cause insta's.

Humans:
3. TWC Member - Known for his abuse of power frivolousness, he can ban (=vigi) one player each night phase. Additionally, during any phase, but one time only, he can post the name of a player that was vigi'd followed by 'that ban was just a joke, also, frivolous.' to revive that player at the end of the phase.
4. Host - In an attempt to keep his game alive he can convince a player to keep playing (=guard) each night phase. This protects them from both Inactivity and Breaking the rules. Cannot guard self. Each time he guards a player that was also guarded the night phase before, a random human other than the host and the guarded player loses his vote, because the game is no fun if the host has favorites. This loss of votes doesn't count towards Inactivity's voting power, unless Inactivity targets the same player at any point in the game.
5. Player
6. Player
7. Player
8. Player

Role PM's
Breaking the rules
You are Breaking the rules. I mean, you have the role Breaking the rules. If I catch you breaking the rules, you will be kicked out of the game, even though you are Breaking the rules.

NAME is Inactivity.
[close]
Inactivity
You are Inactivity. That is not an excuse to be inactive.

NAME is Breaking the rules, well, I mean, that's his role, not his current activity.
[close]
TWC Member
You are the TWC Member. It is your duty to provide a structural base for the subforum, to make sure things don't get out of hand and to govern the subforum with knowledge and experience. Or you can just go trigger happy and ban everyone.

Frivolous.
[close]
Host
You are the host. Wait, no, I am the host. You just have the role Host. You can convince people to keep playing, but try to not have favourites, that might backfire.
[close]
Player
You are a Player. You should really stop having all those one-night stands, though.
[close]
[close]



1. Olimar12345
2. BlackDragonSlayer
3. NocturneOfShadow
4. E. Gadd Industries
5. Dudeman
6. BrainyLucario
7. Trasdegi
8. mastersuperfan



All PM's have been sent. It's now night 1. Night 1 ends August 20th 2:00AM PST, 3:00AM MST, 4:00AM CST, 5:00AM EST, 11:00AM CET. That's a little under 24 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 02:31:30 AM
yay twig
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 05:18:53 AM
Omgee it is happening

Time to dust off the twg discord chat
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
Yeyyyyy it's been ages!

Am teh Miller, plz claim
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 07:06:43 AM
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 06:55:46 AMAm teh Miller, plz claim
That's not how it works! Look, here's how you do it; watch from the master:

i am the please
claim to me
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 07:10:25 AM
Ooooooo
I AM UNWORTHY... FORGIVE PLEASE
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 08:06:26 AM
I feel like I'm going to be a little rusty at this.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 08:21:38 AM
I claim Host.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 08:25:29 AM
why tho
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 08:27:19 AM
I mean......there's nothing saying he can't.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 08:49:33 AM
Don't claim to Noc. He told me he's not the guardian.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 08:50:34 AM
What kind of mafia game is this where everyone talks together at night
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 08:54:33 AM
BDS and I are chatting here because it's cool

https://discord.gg/AufPVwY

Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 08:50:34 AMWhat kind of mafia game is this where everyone talks together at night
idk, NSM has very slack rules
if elected TWC I promise to crack down on issues like this
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 08:55:11 AM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 08:50:34 AMWhat kind of mafia game is this where everyone talks together at night
a twg, son
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 19, 2017, 09:04:02 AM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 08:50:34 AMWhat kind of mafia game is this where everyone talks together at night

Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 08:55:11 AMa twg, son

That, and also it would be really stupid to force players to be silent for 24 hours.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 08:54:33 AMif elected TWC I promise to crack down on issues like this

And that's exactly why you won't be elected TWC.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 09:06:03 AM
I won't be elected TWC because it's not an election, dummy
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 09:37:51 AM
this is why twg died because yall have the ability to talk at night and you don't even do that
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 09:42:16 AM
people do a thing called sleeping you know
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 09:46:19 AM
But nights are 24 hours long!

...
What if Earth's actual night was 24 hours long?
O_o
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 09:58:36 AM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 09:42:16 AMpeople do a thing called sleeping you know
IT'S NOON
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 09:59:43 AM
yeah but it wasn't a couple hours ago :P

i mean, people do a thing called life too you know
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 10:00:04 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 09:58:36 AMIT'S NOON

IT'S HIGH NOON
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:01:27 AM
I'm so glad you brought that up because I was referencing this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcHofRbITzs&t=145s
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 10:08:44 AM
Oh hey the game started, cool

hi everyone
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:27:15 AM
Quote[9:37 AM] Michael: hmph
[9:40 AM] Michael: @Golden Silver piiing
[9:41 AM] Golden Silver: hello
[9:41 AM] Michael: cool hi
[9:41 AM] Michael: are you woofin
[9:41 AM] Golden Silver: wat
[9:42 AM] Michael: are you a wolf
[9:42 AM] Golden Silver: um
[9:42 AM] Golden Silver: no
[9:42 AM] Michael: liar
[9:42 AM] Golden Silver: i'm willing to bet you are though
[9:42 AM] Golden Silver: no sane human would claim host
[9:42 AM] Michael: it would make sense
[9:42 AM] Michael: game with a bunch of scrubs
[9:43 AM] Golden Silver: knowing they'd just die pretty much right away :stuck_out_tongue:
[9:43 AM] Michael: I claim guardian on a NIGHT phase
[9:43 AM] Michael: perhaps I'm inactivity, expecting someone to accidentally claim to me
[9:43 AM] Michael: then again, perhaps I'm inactivity's antithesis
[9:44 AM] Michael: I'm trying to set up a scenario where I gain info from who dies
[9:44 AM] Michael: if it's me well darn
[9:44 AM] Golden Silver: why though
[9:44 AM] Golden Silver: you're going to die
[9:44 AM] Michael: am I?
[9:44 AM] Golden Silver: that's not a question
[9:45 AM] Michael: it is
[9:45 AM] Golden Silver: you can't guard yo self fool
[9:45 AM] Michael: I don't need to
[9:45 AM] Michael: I'm not the guardian
[9:45 AM] Golden Silver: even if you are the guardian, which i don't think you are
[9:45 AM] Golden Silver: ^^^
[9:45 AM] Michael: which you're not allowed to pass on
[9:46 AM] Michael: if I'm lucky mashi will claim to me though
[9:46 AM] Michael: yeah claiming guardian is stupid, but it gets the ball rolling
[9:47 AM] Golden Silver: mashi isn't in the game though
[9:47 AM] Michael: if I know mashi's identity I can announce my knowledge to the thread and ask the real guardian to claim and guard me
[9:47 AM] Golden Silver: unless you mean the twc role
[9:47 AM] Michael: eh, the frivolous person
[9:47 AM] Michael: yeah it's mashi
[9:47 AM] Golden Silver: that's absolutely not what you should be doing
[9:47 AM] Michael: it's better than sitting around waiting for day phase
[9:47 AM] Michael: on FFR games start on a day phase, did you know?
[9:48 AM] Golden Silver: yeah
[9:48 AM] Golden Silver: but you're doing something that HURTS the humans
[9:48 AM] Golden Silver: especially because we can't know if you're a human
[9:48 AM] Michael: I'm doing something that could hurt the humans
[9:48 AM] Michael: there's a difference
[9:48 AM] Golden Silver: No, HURTS.
[9:48 AM] Golden Silver: As in, it does.
[9:48 AM] Michael: the worst case scenario is that I die tonight
[9:49 AM] Michael: and that's  a pretty freaking good worst case
[9:49 AM] Michael: I just saved our specials from bad luck
[9:49 AM] Michael: what have you done so far
[9:49 AM] Golden Silver: that's not how twg works
[9:49 AM] Golden Silver: it's not "do anything you can," it's "do stuff that works"
[9:50 AM] Michael: I did something and I'm waiting to see if it worked
[9:50 AM] Golden Silver: It's not going to work.
[9:50 AM] Golden Silver: That's the thing.
[9:50 AM] Michael: well now that you just posted it won't
[9:51 AM] Michael: maybe it still will
[9:51 AM] Golden Silver: i don't think that's the only thing getting in the way of it not working
[9:51 AM] Michael: maybe it'll have different consequences
[9:51 AM] Golden Silver: more like
[9:51 AM] Golden Silver: the fact that nobody can trust you if you're not actually the guardian
[9:51 AM] Golden Silver: which i highly doubt you are
[9:51 AM] Golden Silver: so any actions you take thus end up hurting the humans
[9:51 AM] Michael: maybe I'm playing this game on multiple levels that a mere TWG mortal like you could never possibly understand
[9:52 AM] Golden Silver: i doubt it
[9:55 AM] Michael: :mudkip_thinking:
[9:56 AM] Golden Silver: :thonk:

1. Olimar12345-null
2. BlackDragonSlayer-slight town
3. NocturneOfShadow-obvtown
4. E. Gadd Industries-null
5. Dudeman-null
6. BrainyLucario-slight scum
7. Trasdegi-null
8. mastersuperfan-null
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 10:31:45 AM
Noc's gonna die before night 2 again, I'm calling it right now
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:35:30 AM
but there's a reviver in this game
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 10:35:52 AM
With how he's acting on Discord, it's becoming increasingly apparent that Dudeman is correct
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:36:24 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=430716&type=card)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:36:44 AM
man I've missed this game so much
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 10:37:14 AM
Wait,
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 10:35:30 AMbut there's a reviver in this game
I thought there was just a vigi and guardian?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
The so-called "reviver" is the vigi who can only revive those whom he killed, right?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:41:05 AM
I think me getting vigi'd tonight is 99% to happen
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 10:41:26 AM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 10:39:23 AMThe so-called "reviver" is the vigi who can only revive those whom he killed, right?
And only once, too.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
Huh. So I guess there is a reviver @Noc, but if you're lynched, you don't have a chance to be revived. Least, that's what I take from reading the role descriptions
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 10:42:10 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 10:41:05 AMI think me getting vigi'd tonight is 99% to happen
Why though?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:45:08 AM
unless the vigi decides to trust me, the most logical explanation is I'm a wolf baiting for blue reactions by claiming guardian.  It's why that kind of play can be so dangerous, but I had faith in you guys
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
So since you say the real guardian has revealed themselves to you, will you be protected tonight? Or have you discussed this with them?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:47:26 AM
doesn't guard against vigi.  I'm very unlikely to be wolfed tonight- I'm like the opposite of manti

guarding me in general is a terrible strategy
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 10:51:58 AM
[9:47 AM] Michael: if I know mashi's identity I can announce my knowledge to the thread and ask the real guardian to claim and guard me

*ahem*
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:53:11 AM
that was before BDS said anything though
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 10:45:08 AMunless the vigi decides to trust me, the most logical explanation is I'm a wolf baiting for blue reactions by claiming guardian.  It's why that kind of play can be so dangerous, but I had faith in you guys
I, uh...I think the most logical explanation is that you're a Player who's got a convoluted strategy that's "guaranteed to work" only because you believe it to be so. Since when is getting yourself killed a viable strategy?

That being said, it would potentially be in our best interests to have the real Host counterclaim Day 1.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 10:54:05 AMThat being said, it would potentially be in our best interests to have the real Host counterclaim Day 1.
I disagree
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 10:55:43 AM
Hmmmm... I suppose that makes sense. Still though, I agree with the notion that the wolves won't get you tonight; you're an easy lynch target. So the question then comes down to the vigi. Could you be the vigi?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:57:25 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=414345&type=card)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 10:58:10 AM
What's that supposed to mean...?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 11:11:31 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=430736&type=card)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 11:15:37 AM
Hey Noc, if you could do something useful instead of coming up with crazy plans and posting MTG cards, that would be great.

Alternatively, convince me better that your plan is actually gonna do any good and I'll leave you alone.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 11:17:58 AM
(http://static.tappedout.net/mtg-cards-2/born-of-the-gods/raised-by-wolves/mtg-cards/_user-added/femme_fatale-raised-by-wolves-bng-14393498400.png)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 11:20:11 AM
(http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247124&type=card)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 11:31:19 AM

[12:06 PM] Michael: @TyrantNeptune does vigi or wolfing happen first
[12:29 PM] TyrantNeptune: @Michael if both the TWC and Breaking target the same player in the night, then  what goes through is the first one send to me.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 11:41:16 AM
we can save the host (if he claims) by having the vigi hit them before the wolves do then revive them the following night

not sure how the numbers play out to make it advantageous but it's a course available
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 11:42:51 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 10:54:59 AMI disagree
I, uh... agree?

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 11:41:16 AMwe can save the host (if he claims) by having the vigi hit them before the wolves do then revive them the following night

not sure how the numbers play out to make it advantageous but it's a course available
We want to try and save that power for when we really need it, I'd say.

wait
is there cardflipping or not
i forgot and i'm too lazy to check
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 11:45:06 AM
it's not in the OP
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 11:47:58 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 11:41:16 AMwe can save the host (if he claims) by having the vigi hit them before the wolves do then revive them the following night

not sure how the numbers play out to make it advantageous but it's a course available
The wolves can still wolf the host after he's revived. I think all it would really do is delay the game and give the wolves extra time. Plus we'd be out of a guardian during that time, and a vote on the human side.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
2 die tonight>6
someone dies tomorrow>5
then we're already at lylo

frick

we either need to get really good and hit a wolf or vigi is forced to use revive n2
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 11:54:58 AM
Way to go and fuck yourself up already Noc. In before you die soon.

Quote from: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 10:54:05 AMThat being said, it would potentially be in our best interests to have the real Host counterclaim Day 1.

@dudeman: wtf why would you have the host claim just to prove Noc is lying? noc's notorious for fucking things up and I'd rather not waste our guardian since you know, they can't be guarded.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 12:00:51 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 11:47:58 AMThe wolves can still wolf the host after he's revived. I think all it would really do is delay the game and give the wolves extra time. Plus we'd be out of a guardian during that time, and a vote on the human side.
I never said it was a good idea, just that it was a possibility
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 12:30:18 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 11:54:58 AM@dudeman: wtf why would you have the host claim just to prove Noc is lying? noc's notorious for fucking things up and I'd rather not waste our guardian since you know, they can't be guarded.
Yeah, point taken. I got so caught up in getting frustrated at Noc that I just wanted it to be over with.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 12:32:30 PM
Noc being Noc. At least you see that now. So to recap: host should not claim unless we have a really good reason.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 12:33:06 PM
Agreed. Sorry about that, I was very very salty this morning.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 12:33:48 PM
[12:30 PM] Dudeman: @TyrantNeptune Does this game have cardflipping?
[12:31 PM] Michael: the game seems like it needs them for balance anyway
[12:32 PM] TyrantNeptune: This game does not have cardflipping.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 12:35:43 PM
However, Vigi claiming would be a textbook thing to do. If the Vigi claims then the host should guard them and we could set up a sort of alliance without anyone needing to know who anyone is (sans the Vigi claim).

Just a thought.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
Yeah, we're discussing that in the Discord server right now.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 12:47:46 PM

[1:46 PM] E. Gadd Industries: But the question is: who is the TWC and would they actually claim?


EHHHHHHHHH
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHH

@Vigi you paying attention this I hope
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 12:48:52 PM

1. Olimar12345-slight town
2. BlackDragonSlayer-moderate town
3. NocturneOfShadow-town
4. E. Gadd Industries-scum
5. Dudeman-null
6. BrainyLucario-incompatible with e gadd
7. Trasdegi-null
8. mastersuperfan-null
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 12:51:47 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 12:48:52 PM4. E. Gadd Industries-scum
>:/ WELL THEN.
Er, wait, does that mean wolfy?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 12:53:04 PM
tf is this "town" thing you keep using noc
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 12:57:13 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 12:47:46 PM[1:46 PM] E. Gadd Industries: But the question is: who is the TWC and would they actually claim?


EHHHHHHHHH
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHH

@Vigi you paying attention this I hope
Okay, I've been struggling with this thought for quite a while, but I guess I need to claim now before time runs short on making a necessary alliance.
I am the TWC member.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 12:58:46 PM
The Host needs to claim to me ASAP, else the humans will lose >_<
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 01:02:13 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 12:53:04 PMtf is this "town" thing you keep using noc

It means they seem to be aligned with the town, what else
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 01:04:16 PM
bitch this is twg not mafia

idk any mafia terminology.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 01:06:09 PM
Incompatible with E. Gadd? Ze heck does that mean?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 01:06:44 PM
My thoughts exactly?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 01:07:01 PM
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 12:58:46 PMThe Host needs to claim to me ASAP, else the humans will lose >_<

DO NOT CLAIM TO HIM HOST

The host just needs to guard who they THINK the vigi is.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 01:04:16 PMbitch this is twg not mafia

idk any mafia terminology.

Is it not called the town in this game too

*checks OP again*

oh wait

it's not
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 01:09:36 PM
...
Fair point. And all this will backfire if I'm dead tomorrow morning. >_< this is why I was hoping I didn't get a HUGE role
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 01:21:07 PM
...why would you claim though

I vote shoot brainy then, I'm inclined to believe you
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 01:25:12 PM
Why Brainy specifically? And what do I gain from your belief in my legitimacy?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 01:25:46 PM
Please refer to my signature If you do shoot me.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
I think he's a wolf
I also felt that you two were incompatible, so if one of you is a wolf I think the other isn't.  Brainy getting shot would verify that to me you are the vigi

and if he is actually a wolf hey bingo
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 01:29:57 PM
But what if he's the guardian? What do you base off your feeling that we're incompatible?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 01:30:49 PM
Well the whole "incompatibility" thing doesn't really confirm anything for anyone rn other than your suspicions. Care to explain why you think they can't both be wolves?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 01:31:14 PM
[11:35 AM] Michael: so has brainy colluded with you yet
[11:37 AM] E. Gadd Industries: He hasn't said anything to me
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 01:31:42 PM
it's good enough for me

could be t/t, really doubt it's w/w
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Oh. I suppose that's fair enough on the lack of wolf, but that's about where the incompatibility stops
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 01:43:09 PM
My top two suspicions right now:
1. Noc
2. BDS

Here's why for both (they're tied together):
Noc & I were talking earlier & he told me about how he was trying to get the host to claim to him & the TWC so he could get them connected. He then said the host had claimed to him. My thoughts were "okay, I'll vigi him & wait to see if he was clear or not, then revive him and get answers from him." After thinking things over, I realised it would be best to claim, and then Noc sent me this:
[3:34 PM] Michael: might as well let you know then that the host didn't really claim to me but I suspect it's BDS
This seems really fishy to me
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 01:49:40 PM
^^^

why are you letting anything noc says have any major bearing on your suspicions of other people ?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 01:58:44 PM
...
Because if you're both wolves then you would do this so as to lead me straight to the Ines who have any reason to kill me
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 19, 2017, 01:59:05 PM
*ones
Why does my phone autocorrect that all the time? >:/
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 02:01:28 PM
1. tinfoil
2. really dude you should be ashamed of yourself
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
I'd like to say that I'm being pulled into this against my will
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 02:19:42 PM
Like I've said nothing that should give Noc any reason to believe I'm a wolf, we literally only private chatted one message.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 08:06:26 AMI feel like I'm going to be a little rusty at this.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 08:27:19 AMI mean......there's nothing saying he can't.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 02:29:50 PM
Both of those are true statements. I haven't played in a year, pulse there really is nothing saying you can't
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 02:30:13 PM
*plus
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 05:19:43 PM
Just...just shoot Noc please. He's not helping anything.

Also, I think Brainy might be one of the wolves, if only because the majority of his activity has been "but maaaaaaybe things aren't how you think they are! Oooo, complicated!" or "I've hardly ever played so idk anything"
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 06:29:06 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 05:19:43 PMJust...just shoot Noc please. He's not helping anything.

Also, I think Brainy might be one of the wolves, if only because the majority of his activity has been "but maaaaaaybe things aren't how you think they are! Oooo, complicated!" or "I've hardly ever played so idk anything"

Gotta agree here. I'm reading a few other people as most likely town, but Brainy isn't one of them, so I imagine there's a pretty decent chance that he's one of the wolves.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 06:51:22 PM
wolf

brainy

town
me
bds
msf
e gadd (I guess)

null
dudeman

slight town
olimar

poe leaves trasdegi who hasn't said much

atm I think our two wolves are brainy and trasdegi
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 10:07:20 PM
I said I haven't played in a year. Not I've hardly played. Jeez, people take things out of context really easily in this game.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 10:25:36 PM
Can't tell if brainy's overuse of the same excuse is wolfy or if he's just bad. Both are pretty valid possibilities.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 19, 2017, 10:27:01 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 10:25:36 PMCan't tell if brainy's overuse of the same excuse is wolfy or if he's just bad. Both are pretty valid possibilities.
Exactly what I was just thinking. :P
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 10:58:00 PM
Other thoughts:

Noc: to me he looks like he's playing like he always does when he's a human. This usually involves doing lots of drastic things that makes everyone else suspect him a lot and generally tends to lead to his lynch. I would imagine that if he's a human the wolves would keep him alive just because he plays this way and we might mislynch him on our own.

Assuming again that he's a human: this does help sometimes because he can elicit responses from people that can help gauge other players' stances.

If he's a wolf then he's playing a pretty risky game, which is also possible since like I said that's just how he usually is. He could be he inactive role which is the lesser of the two, who knows.

Brainy: like I said, broken record. We get it, it's been a while. It's been a while for all of us. Please try to make your next post something more than either a single sentence or an excuse. I'd rather not simply bandwagon you next phase for this and risk a mislynch.

Dudeman: "just shoot Noc pls he's not helping" this could be a worse move than what Noc is doing and frankly is a slightly wolfy thing to suggest. With such a small number of players, a mislynch for frivolous reasons could turn the tides in the game.

More in a bit.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 19, 2017, 11:02:59 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 06:51:22 PMpoe leaves trasdegi who hasn't said much


If I don't speak much, it's because of time zones, for me this was posted at 4:00 AM.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 11:13:02 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 10:58:00 PMNoc: to me he looks like he's playing like he always does when he's a human. This usually involves doing lots of drastic things that makes everyone else suspect him a lot and generally tends to lead to his lynch. I would imagine that if he's a human the wolves would keep him alive just because he plays this way and we might mislynch him on our own.
I'm neutral-leaning-wolf on Nocturne. On one hand, there's no way anybody could or should reasonably think that what he did was a solidly good thing to do in a game like this, especially when such actions have a very slim chance of even resulting in any benefits for the humans.

On the other hand, though, Nocturne always does stuff like that, sooo... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If there were cardflips, I would be 100% okay with lynching Noc, but as it stands, his actions have placed us in a very tricky situation.

QuoteBrainy: like I said, broken record. We get it, it's been a while. It's been a while for all of us. Please try to make your next post something more than either a single sentence or an excuse. I'd rather not simply bandwagon you next phase for this and risk a mislynch.
I'm completely neutral on Brainy right now. I don't really get what people find super suspicious about him... unless I'm just hearing Noc's opinion pop up too much. And at the current moment, I probably wouldn't want to lynch him.

QuoteDudeman: "just shoot Noc pls he's not helping" this could be a worse move than what Noc is doing and frankly is a slightly wolfy thing to suggest. With such a small number of players, a mislynch for frivolous reasons could turn the tides in the game.
To be fair, I think it's entirely justified. Noc is always a wildcard, and if we had even a tad bit more leniency in this game, I would have no problems with lynching Noc (though I don't think the vigi would want to vigi him at this point in the game, especially if Noc is playing some wild mindgames at this point... which wouldn't surprise me, no matter how unlikely it might seem).
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 19, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 10:58:00 PMNoc: to me he looks like he's playing like he always does when he's a human. This usually involves doing lots of drastic things that makes everyone else suspect him a lot and generally tends to lead to his lynch.
Ehh, I should probably mentioned that I played with Nocturne on LLF, and he was a wolf.

he played pretty much exactly the same

for reading, start here (https://last-life.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7306&start=80#p332622) and keep going until the end of day 1
Nocturne's always kind of "out there" with his play, and though that game wasn't as drastic as this game (most of the stuff Nocturne did that got him lynched was behind the scenes, IIRC), it's pretty much the same style.

Also note Noc might be trying the same strategy Not Spy did in that game, but it doesn't work in this game because both the special roles "available" to claim are pretty useful (also, I personally disagreed with Not Spy's actions anyway). which could equally paint noc as a dumb human, a dumb wolf, or a wolf intentionally trying to act dumb
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 20, 2017, 02:01:00 AM
TWG XCII: How to Kill TWG

There's no seering in this game, so colors are just for convenience.

Wolves
1. Breaking the rules - Can wolf a player during the night phase. If he wolves a player, Inactivity cannot use its power during the same night phase.
2. Inactivity - Cannot wolf. Each night phase can target one player, except himself or Breaking the rules. That player loses his vote. If Inactivity uses its power, Breaking the rules cannot wolf during the same night phase. During the day phase, Inactivity can opt to have its voting power changed based on the amount of times it succesfully caused a player to lose its vote:
        0 times: vote counts for 1
        1 time: vote counts for 1,01
        2 times: vote counts for 2,01
        3 times or more: Any vote he casts immediately causes an insta on the player Inactivity voted for, and other players' votes can't cause insta's.

Humans:
3. TWC Member - Known for his abuse of power frivolousness, he can ban (=vigi) one player each night phase. Additionally, during any phase, but one time only, he can post the name of a player that was vigi'd followed by 'that ban was just a joke, also, frivolous.' to revive that player at the end of the phase.
4. Host - In an attempt to keep his game alive he can convince a player to keep playing (=guard) each night phase. This protects them from both Inactivity and Breaking the rules. Cannot guard self. Each time he guards a player that was also guarded the night phase before, a random human other than the host and the guarded player loses his vote, because the game is no fun if the host has favorites. This loss of votes doesn't count towards Inactivity's voting power, unless Inactivity targets the same player at any point in the game.
5. Player
6. Player
7. Player
8. Player

Role PM's
Breaking the rules
You are Breaking the rules. I mean, you have the role Breaking the rules. If I catch you breaking the rules, you will be kicked out of the game, even though you are Breaking the rules.

NAME is Inactivity.
[close]
Inactivity
You are Inactivity. That is not an excuse to be inactive.

NAME is Breaking the rules, well, I mean, that's his role, not his current activity.
[close]
TWC Member
You are the TWC Member. It is your duty to provide a structural base for the subforum, to make sure things don't get out of hand and to govern the subforum with knowledge and experience. Or you can just go trigger happy and ban everyone.

Frivolous.
[close]
Host
You are the host. Wait, no, I am the host. You just have the role Host. You can convince people to keep playing, but try to not have favourites, that might backfire.
[close]
Player
You are a Player. You should really stop having all those one-night stands, though.
[close]
[close]



1. Olimar12345
2. BlackDragonSlayer
3. NocturneOfShadow
4. E. Gadd Industries
5. Dudeman
6. BrainyLucario
7. Trasdegi
8. mastersuperfan



Night 1 is over. BrainyLucario was banned by the TWC. It's now day 1. Day 1 ends August 22nd 2:00AM PST, 3:00AM MST, 4:00AM CST, 5:00AM EST, 11:00AM CET. That's 48 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 20, 2017, 02:01:30 AM
Also, I'm very pleased with the activity so far. Let's keep this up!
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 20, 2017, 02:58:26 AM
The Sweet Embrace of DeathBanishment surrounds me. All is right with the world as I bid you all good luck and a very good game.  (Death post btw)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 20, 2017, 03:04:10 AM
Well, guess one of us just lost our votes!
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 04:58:44 AM
Well, sorry, Brainy... with more than two people against you, I figured there was some credibility behind the claims. So I tried to think things through, and that's what resulted.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 08:03:11 AM
Quote from: davy on August 20, 2017, 02:01:30 AMAlso, I'm very pleased with the activity so far. Let's keep this up!

Welp this basically rules out the possibility that either the twc/Vigi was not active. Rip brainy.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
To expand on my previous post, here's what I believe happened last night:

For starters, I believe that Egadd is basically confirmed as the TWC at this point. If our actual host says that activity has been good then we can use that to say that all of our special roles played last night. This means that there was one wolf activity and two special human abilities (guard and vigi) used. Egadd claimed twc and vigi'd someone (brainy) and the host guarded someone (most likely egadd, but def. not brainy). Since brainy was the only death, this means one of a few things happened:

1) The wolves also targeted brainy. HIGHLY unlikely imo, but if both kills went to brainy for some reason, it'd look like this.

2) The wolves used their inactive ability instead of wolfing someone, which means get ready to count votes next phase.

3) Brainy was the BTR wolf and sent his wolfing in after egadd, thus he was killed first (idr exactly if this is how it works, but Noc said he asked Davy this on discord and iirc this is what he said).

No. 2 is easily our best bet though, since 1 is circumstantially unlikely and 3 puts a lot of luck on us actually making the best hit in the game on our first night (and making it happen before egadd).

Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 08:46:37 AM
I'd say number 3 isn't very likely, as Brainy would've had to send in his bids late
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 08:49:25 AM
Even so, there's still a slim chance that he really was the brt wolf and they just used the inactive ability.

Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 08:50:27 AM
That's also true^
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 20, 2017, 08:57:58 AM
Brainy could be Inactivity too, and:
1. He used his powers and someone loosed a vote
2. BTH wolfed a guarded player
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 09:08:16 AM
Would davy say if a guarded player was targeted? I can't remember...
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:11:21 AM
Quote from: davy on August 20, 2017, 02:01:30 AMAlso, I'm very pleased with the activity so far. Let's keep this up!
you're welcome
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 20, 2017, 09:11:59 AM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 08:36:25 AMIf our actual host says that activity has been good then we can use that to say that all of our special roles played last night.
My post about the activity was regarding the activity in the topic; we don't always reach eight pages before the end of the first night. My comments give in no way any indication about what is happening behind the scenes.

Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 08:36:25 AM3) Brainy was the BTR wolf and sent his wolfing in after egadd, thus he was killed first (idr exactly if this is how it works, but Noc said he asked Davy this on discord and iirc this is what he said).

This is correct, if Breaking targets the TWC before the TWC makes their night action, the TWC dies, and vice versa.

Quote from: Trasdegi on August 20, 2017, 08:57:58 AMBrainy could be Inactivity too, and:
1. He used his powers and someone loosed a vote
2. BTH wolfed a guarded player

The two wolves cannot activate their abilities on the same night phase.

Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 09:08:16 AMWould davy say if a guarded player was targeted? I can't remember...

If a guarded player was targeted I will not say so.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:13:06 AM
Olimar, using info from the host like that is angleshooting.  Be careful
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:14:51 AM
Will kitbs be announced
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 20, 2017, 09:15:49 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 09:14:51 AMWill kitbs be announced

Yes
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:19:23 AM
So analyzing the wagon is going to be difficult.  I'm more confident that brainy was a wolf because losing a wolf makes inactivity a better play.  Dudeman trending scum for being one of the people to think inactivity was a good choice anyway
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:22:55 AM
To avoid a kitb someone should probably safety on themselves or something

No cardflips means we don't get cleared on wagons either lol

I'm inclined to vote for dudeman today since everyone else is pretty much acting towny with the exception of trasdegi, but he's silent
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 20, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
Quote from: davy on August 20, 2017, 09:11:59 AMThe two wolves cannot activate their abilities on the same night phase.


Sorry, I was saying 1 or 2 would be possible. We really will need to count votes today, to see if inactivity used his powers
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 09:29:34 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 09:13:06 AMOlimar, using info from the host like that is angleshooting.  Be careful
Um, what?

Current suspicion list:
Humans:
E. Gadd (clearly TWC, and that's comforting)
Olimar (actively uniting the humans to get the best possible outcome)
MSF (acting fairly straightforward for a relative newbie to the game, and I think that's a good sign)
Trasdegi (same reason)

Wolves:
BDS (BDS's opinions of everyone seem a little backwards. "Neutral-leaning-wolf" on Noc, didn't "really get" what everyone found suspicious of Brainy, etc. Somewhat noncommittal assessments of people to avoid going to hard into things; I think this reads as wolfy.)
Brainy (Gosh, I hope so.)

Unsure:
Noc (As I suspected, he's alive after night 1. I know nobody got wolfed, but if anyone was not going to be wolfed so that they could distract us from the wolves, it would be him. However, that doesn't mean he's still a wolf playing a stupidly risky game. I'd be for a Noc lynch if nothing else comes up.)
Dudeman (Hi)

NINJA'D
Noc's leaning wolf right now since he's going at me and encouraging safeties. And when did I think inactivity was a good idea? Are you referring to how I wanted to wait for the night results before solidifying any action? Because we can't do anything without data, and now we have some.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:34:19 AM
Quote from: Trasdegi on August 20, 2017, 08:57:58 AMBrainy could be Inactivity too, and:
1. He used his powers and someone loosed a vote
2. BTH wolfed a guarded player

Yes, if brainy was inactivity and used his ability before or after being vigi'd, we'd be in the same position, just with a possibility of a missing vote this phase.

The second option is also a possibility, but highly unlikely imo. For starters, that series of events happening on night one in general isn't very likely (would've had to be a fluke if it was done on a random player). Secondly, targeting egadd (who was most likely the twc at the time) would have been a bad move because he was also the most likely player to be guarded (and I would imagine that if brainy didn't see that possibility, that the second wolf would have seen it and had advised against it).

Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:41:10 AM
I mean inactivity the power duh

Having e gadd safety on himself will likely end up being a good idea if we can coalesce the wagon into 2 different people which is ideal
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: Trasdegi on August 20, 2017, 09:25:19 AMSorry, I was saying 1 or 2 would be possible. We really will need to count votes today, to see if inactivity used his powers

Also, if we're careful, we can find inactivity by narrowing down where the missing vote was. People who voted for the side that gets nerf'd are more likely to not be wolves since inactivity cannot use their ability on themself. Of course, nothing's stopping them from voting on the same side as their target, but numbers still can't lie.

@davy: will the voting numbers per round be made public?

Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:42:46 AM
If the wagon ends up being 4-3 it could potentially be a kitb so we just make it 4-2
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 09:47:11 AM
Noc, do us a favor and stop saying wagon, townie and scum, it's really only making you look like you give even less of a shit about what happens.
Also:
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 09:42:46 AMIf the wagon ends up being 4-3 it could potentially be a kitb so we just make it 4-2
This isn't true; Inactivity's stolen vote counts for .01. If the vote is 4-3 and one of the people on the 4 side had their vote stolen, the results would actually be 3-3.01, which is not a KitB. Really, if Inactivity did anything, a KitB is impossible. Keep this in mind.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 09:48:25 AM
Might as well kick things off with a nice NocturneOfShadow vote to get things rolling. I am willing to change or retract this vote if other things come up.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 09:49:17 AM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:34:19 AMSecondly, targeting egadd (who was most likely the twc at the time) would have been a bad move because he was also the most likely player to be guarded (and I would imagine that if brainy didn't see that possibility, that the second wolf would have seen it and had advised against it).

This. An important town role revealed would mean that he would definitely be guarded by the Host, and then the wolves would go after someone else. Both guarding someone else or trying to wolf the revealed TWC would be risky moves, so the most likely scenario is that Inactivity used his power instead.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 09:50:56 AM
ninja'd

Quote from: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 09:47:11 AMNoc, do us a favor and stop saying wagon, townie and scum, it's really only making you look like you give even less of a shit about what happens.
Also:This isn't true; Inactivity's stolen vote counts for .01. If the vote is 4-3 and one of the people on the 4 side had their vote stolen, the results would actually be 3-3.01, which is not a KitB. Really, if Inactivity did anything, a KitB is impossible. Keep this in mind.

But Inactivity can choose whether or not to up his voting power, right?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:52:55 AM
I have a dream

That one day dudeman will vote for someone else

I have a meme

But I'm on my phone and can't post it
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 09:54:23 AM
I think the fact that nobody got Wolfe's should be a strong enough indication that I'm not a wolf

I'm also going to vote for Trasdegi until he satisfies my requirements
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:55:02 AM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 09:50:56 AMninja'd

But Inactivity can choose whether or not to up his voting power, right?

Wow, you're right (I missed that). So I guess inactivity could fly under the radar if needed.

Well then .-.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:58:32 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 09:54:23 AMI think the fact that nobody got Wolfe's should be a strong enough indication that I'm not a wolf

See:

Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 19, 2017, 10:58:00 PMNoc: to me he looks like he's playing like he always does when he's a human. This usually involves doing lots of drastic things that makes everyone else suspect him a lot and generally tends to lead to his lynch. I would imagine that if he's a human the wolves would keep him alive just because he plays this way and we might mislynch him on our own.

Case and point:

Quote from: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 09:48:25 AMMight as well kick things off with a nice NocturneOfShadow vote to get things rolling. I am willing to change or retract this vote if other things come up.

(Of course, this is assuming we're all humans here)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 10:05:05 AM
Wait...I fucked that post up. I thought Noc said:
"I think the fact that I didn't get Wolfe's should be a strong enough indication that I'm not a wolf"

Disregard my previous post pls.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 09:54:23 AMI'm also going to vote for Trasdegi until he satisfies my requirements
you...are you serious right now

voting for a guy regardless of any other discussion going on because he doesn't meet your "requirements"

are you fucking serious right now
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 10:19:47 AM
...? He's not simply voting trasdegi because they've been less active, he's voting trasdegi to hopefully make them more active (or at least it appears this way). I'm going to place my vote on dudeman for now, though.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 10:30:40 AM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:55:02 AMWow, you're right (I missed that). So I guess inactivity could fly under the radar if needed.

Well then .-.
Oh jeez, same o_O that adds a new layer to things.
Also, why did you vote Dudeman?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 10:32:41 AM
Probably because dudemans being a frickin casual

If I was on the wolf team I certainly would have bullied my partner into making a kill instead of inactivity
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 20, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:42:02 AM@davy: will the voting numbers per round be made public?

At no point during any phase will there be a post by the host saying how many votes each player has on them (I assume that is what you mean by voting numbers).

Quote from: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 09:47:11 AMNoc, do us a favor and stop saying wagon

Quote from: Official Rules on July 14, 2008, 03:41:00 PMBandwagon or Bandwagoning - Bandwagoning is when somebody votes for a player who everyone else is voting for. He or she doesn't provide a reason for the vote, they just go with the crowd. This is a common strategy employed by wolves, and a common mistake made by humans.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 20, 2017, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 09:29:34 AMBDS (BDS's opinions of everyone seem a little backwards. "Neutral-leaning-wolf" on Noc
QuoteNoc's leaning wolf right now since he's going at me and encouraging safeties.
???

Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:55:02 AMWow, you're right (I missed that). So I guess inactivity could fly under the radar if needed.

Well then .-.
I completely missed that too. I was totally going to suggest a self-voting plan, but guess that won't work! in other words, we're doomed
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 12:05:13 PM
Ever since someone hosted a game with a charismatic wolf we've been careful to ensure self-voting doesn't break the game
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 06:29:06 PMGotta agree here. I'm reading a few other people as most likely town, but Brainy isn't one of them, so I imagine there's a pretty decent chance that he's one of the wolves.
msf who are these people you're townreading
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 05:39:51 PM
Himself
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 06:12:26 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 04:39:41 PMmsf who are these people you're townreading

Nobody anymore.

Read this:

Chat Log
Quotemastersuperfan: did the guardian actually claim to you?
NocturneOfShadow: Yeah
NocturneOfShadow: Doesn't matter anymore since e gadd claimed
mastersuperfan: did you tell E. Gadd who he is or no?
NocturneOfShadow: I did
NocturneOfShadow: After brainy died ofc

QuoteNocturneOfShadow: Btw asking if the guardian claimed to me is not a great thing to do
mastersuperfan: why's that
NocturneOfShadow: Why do you need to know that?
NocturneOfShadow: Only seems wolfy
mastersuperfan: not gonna lie, I asked you that because I'm starting to doubt you
mastersuperfan: I'm not saying that you seem scum
NocturneOfShadow: Doubt me like how
mastersuperfan: but I'm questioning my earlier town read
NocturneOfShadow: Is it because you're the guardian lol
mastersuperfan: ...are you saying that the guardian didn't claim to you?
NocturneOfShadow: Are you saying you aren't the guardian
mastersuperfan: maybe I'm the guardian, maybe I'm not
NocturneOfShadow: It doesn't really matter
NocturneOfShadow: Idk why I lied to you there
mastersuperfan: so... what's the truth, then
NocturneOfShadow: I think though I knew you'd know if I was lying or not
NocturneOfShadow: I just figured I'd get something if I did
mastersuperfan: so did the guardian not claim to you?
NocturneOfShadow: ...no
mastersuperfan: okay
mastersuperfan: now I'm really doubting you
mastersuperfan: what could you have possibly wanted to get out of me?
mastersuperfan: by lying like that
NocturneOfShadow: A motive
mastersuperfan: for what
NocturneOfShadow: I wanted to carry it on further
mastersuperfan: carry what on further
NocturneOfShadow: By saying no you would've just dropped it
mastersuperfan: a motive for me asking you?
mastersuperfan: that doesn't depend on the answer you give
NocturneOfShadow: But if I tell you the guardian claimed it incentivizes you to ask more
NocturneOfShadow: Which you did
mastersuperfan: okay, fair enough
mastersuperfan: but why did you want me to ask more
NocturneOfShadow: Tinfoil hat theory
mastersuperfan: elaborate
NocturneOfShadow: I can't yet
mastersuperfan: you what
mastersuperfan: if you're going to keep dodging my questions I'm not going to trust you at all
NocturneOfShadow: But while I'm heavily town reading you nothing is guaranteed unless you get wolfed
NocturneOfShadow: So getting more information is encouraged
mastersuperfan: I'm sorry
mastersuperfan: at this point I'm not inclined to believe you
NocturneOfShadow: Believe me with what lol
mastersuperfan: believe that you lied for the sake of getting more info out of me
NocturneOfShadow: You're right I'm sorry
NocturneOfShadow: I'm actually a wolf and wanted to see if you were the guardian
NocturneOfShadow: And now you're going to die
NocturneOfShadow: C'mon dude
NocturneOfShadow: Information is valuable
NocturneOfShadow: If I think something will give me info I'll take that risk
mastersuperfan: but there was hardly any info to get out of me from the first place
mastersuperfan: you said you already heavily townread me, what else is there
NocturneOfShadow: A read on you isn't enough
NocturneOfShadow: This isn't a 2 player game
mastersuperfan: then what more were you trying to get
mastersuperfan: you're dodging a lot of my questions
NocturneOfShadow: You have interactions with every other player in the game and getting a stronger read on you lets me make connections with other players
mastersuperfan: a stronger read?
NocturneOfShadow: For example your current relation to bds
mastersuperfan: is that what you were looking for?
mastersuperfan: didn't you just say that a read wasn't enough?
mastersuperfan: and what does lying to me have to do with my relation to BDS?
NocturneOfShadow: Idk
NocturneOfShadow: Lol dude I really don't know
NocturneOfShadow: But I'm satisfied with how everything panned out
[close]

NocturneOfShadow.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:16:36 PM
what even is this game
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 20, 2017, 06:20:05 PM
can i just vote noc already or would there be there something wrong with that
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 06:20:25 PM
dudeman

Msf and BDS are always the same aligbment in this scenario and I got enough info from msf to be comfortable with t/t
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 06:22:36 PM
Wait really BDS?  You think that chat log is incriminating whatsoever?

I mean, it's not my fault msf didn't see e gadds post, I took advantage of that while I could and it was worthwhile
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 06:23:22 PM
Well I saw E. Gadd's post, but I was asking whether the Guardian had claimed to you after he did.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 06:24:22 PM
You LIED about knowing who the guardian was & refused to tell me anything.

NocturneofShadow
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:24:43 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 20, 2017, 06:20:05 PMcan i just vote noc already or would there be there something wrong with that
I don't see why not m8

ninja:
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:25:02 PM
oops meant to add this:
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 06:24:22 PMYou LIED about knowing who the guardian was & refused to tell me anything.

NocturneofShadow
oooooooo straight savage
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 20, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
Wait, if anybody else votes, will it insta?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:30:01 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 06:20:25 PMMsf and BDS are always the same aligbment in this scenario
How does...how does this make any sense?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:32:42 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 20, 2017, 06:29:01 PMWait, if anybody else votes, will it insta?
Current votes are Noc: 3, Dudeman: 2. 4 votes for an insta.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:33:02 PM
Oh. That could be a problem.

REDACT VOTE until we're sure
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 06:34:10 PM
Because I got enough info from lying to msf to make that call

Do my arguments fall on deaf ears I swear it's like I'm speaking to 6 year olds

Y'all acting like me lying to msf is some silver bullet that proves I'm scum
It just proves that msf and BDS are town
Which means if brainy is scum dudeman or tras are the only possible people to be wolf

If brainy is human dudeman can still be wolf, but so could olimar
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 06:34:51 PM
Like you're welcome for solving the game for you but if you want to kill me that's fine too I guess
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:37:56 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 06:34:51 PMLike you're welcome for solving the game for you but if you want to kill me that's fine too I guess
This is exactly the kind of attitude that gets you lynched Day 1 every single game, though. "Shut up everybody, I found the one and only solution to this game and I know it's true because I say so, and only my opinions are valid."
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 06:38:32 PM
We've also still got all day tomorrow so I think I'm gonna gett ready for work now then when I come home I'll share all my logs to the thread and explain what I learned from all of them

I mean I guess I honestly just can't live past day 1

EXCUSE ME for trying to PLAY the GAME
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 06:38:59 PM
Quote from: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:37:56 PMThis is exactly the kind of attitude that gets you lynched Day 1 every single game, though. "Shut up everybody, I found the one and only solution to this game and I know it's true because I say so, and only my opinions are valid."
shut up dudeman I found the one and only solution to this game
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 06:40:05 PM
Screw it, I don't give a fuck anymore. Give me an interesting TWG like this without NocturneOfShadow already. God dammit.

NocturneOfShadow

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 06:38:32 PMWe've also still got all day tomorrow so I think I'm gonna gett ready for work now then when I come home I'll share all my logs to the thread and explain what I learned from all of them
WHAT, YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT NOW?!??
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 06:40:17 PM
PSA: don't play twg with people who dislike you because they're irrational and emotional
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 20, 2017, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 20, 2017, 06:34:51 PMLike you're welcome for solving the game for you but if you want to kill me that's fine too I guess
A vague conclusion (that pretty much anybody could have already come to) from someone we already don't trust (with your methods also giving us even more reason not to trust you) helps nobody.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 06:45:07 PM
It's not just that you lied to me. It's that you kept avoiding all my questions and couldn't give me a straight answer as to why you lied to me, except with vague statements like "I wanted more information" or "I can't tell you yet" or something else stupid like that.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 07:02:11 PM
You what I answered all your questions

Except for the stupid ones where you asked why I wasn't answering your questions
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 07:06:01 PM
Quotemastersuperfan: but why did you want me to ask more
NocturneOfShadow: Tinfoil hat theory
mastersuperfan: elaborate
NocturneOfShadow: I can't yet

Quotemastersuperfan: didn't you just say that a read wasn't enough?
mastersuperfan: and what does lying to me have to do with my relation to BDS?
NocturneOfShadow: Idk
NocturneOfShadow: Lol dude I really don't know
NocturneOfShadow: But I'm satisfied with how everything panned out

Come again?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 07:09:52 PM
Tinfoil hat theory

And I don't know
I'm sorry if you don't consider those satisfying answers but they're true
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 20, 2017, 07:11:00 PM
He asked you to elaborate on what "tinfoil hat theory" means. I don't even know what that means, and I seriously doubt anyone else here does either.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 07:15:43 PM
Conspiracy theory
As in I'm wearing a tinfoil hat
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 07:16:23 PM
Like this should be common knowledge, it's not even mafia slang
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 07:18:10 PM
If Dudeman doesn't know it it's definitely not common knowledge. Good rule of thumb
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 07:27:54 PM
He accused me of having a Tinfoil Hat theory, too? XD
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 07:32:21 PM
You did have one
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 07:51:42 PM
Ffs everyone, reduce the votes on Noc before we get an unintentional insta. This is exactly what I said would happen. I've played enough games with Noc to know that this is just how he plays. I get Msf's vote due to the chatlog and his relative newness to playing with Noc (iirc), but I'm looking really hard at the bandwagoners rn, and so should you all.   
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 20, 2017, 07:55:51 PM
this is exactly how noc would play as a wolf too

Noc's play doesn't usually say anything about him; that's what makes him such an agreeable lynch target.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 07:58:27 PM
^well tbh I haven't played a game with him yet where he was a wolf (at least, Idr one). But every game I've played with him this happens day 1 and we always shoot ourselces in the foot. Noc, you just make it too easy for the wolves sometimes ><

Current vote count

Noc 3 (dudeman, MSF, egadd)
dudeman 2 (Olimar, Noc)

Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 20, 2017, 08:18:24 PM
Retract Vote. For now.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 08:58:11 PM
Alright, I'll retract for now. HOWEVER, I'll be watching to see what happens from here
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 21, 2017, 04:33:14 AM
Just a quick though: Half of this thread is currently about arguing about noc's playstyle, instead of what it should be (hunting wolves). The one who seems the most against noc is dudeman, and I think it could be a move to distract us from hunting the wolves, so it seems wolfy to me. But if Dudeman and noc are both wolves, that's very well played.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 05:44:42 PM
Part 1

Spoiler
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 12:42 PM
I'm here now btw
Michael - Yesterday at 12:42 PM
Weclum townie
So discord is definitely better for twg once you put it in compact mode
Mobile still sucks though
Shhh brainy not in here
You dear
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 12:44 PM
I'm here too
Michael - Yesterday at 12:44 PM
Dead
DeadLucario - Yesterday at 12:44 PM
Requesting dead role plz (won't post again though so if not meh)
Michael - Yesterday at 12:44 PM
I can't give it to you on mobile lol
That's what I made the role for, prevents you from posting
But I haven't figured out how to isolate it to this channl
@Trasdegi so if you had to put money on what happened last night, what would you say
mastersuperfan - Yesterday at 12:46 PM
Mr. Krabs: "DID SOMEONE SAY MONEY"
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 12:47 PM
I think than the wolves took a vote away , and I would like to think than brainy was a wolf, because no one seems obviously wolfy to me atm
Michael - Yesterday at 12:48 PM
Who do you think got inactive'd?
DeadLucario - Yesterday at 12:48 PM
(You can't)
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 12:48 PM
I honestly don't know
Maybe the wolves took the vote of the one than suspected them the most, but that would be risky to do
mastersuperfan - Yesterday at 12:50 PM
a question for thought
Michael - Yesterday at 12:50 PM
Okay, so who had strong suspicions of players leading into d1
mastersuperfan - Yesterday at 12:51 PM
assuming Noc is a human, would it be advantageous or disadvantageous for the wolves to block Noc's vote?
although I guess that also depends on who the wolves are
but, blocking the vote of someone who's acting as the center of information but is also controversial as a town member in the process
I have to wonder whether or not that woud be a move the wolves would do
because honestly when you said "Who do you think got inactive'd?" my first thought was you, Noc, just because you've been playing such a huge role
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 12:54 PM
Noc generally is a pretty good lynch target from what I understood, and it would be bad for the wolfs to took the vote from the people than we would probably lynch
mastersuperfan - Yesterday at 12:55 PM
would it?
because that makes it easier for us to lynch them, doesn't it?
Michael - Yesterday at 12:55 PM
"Good" lynch target you're confusing with "common" lynch target
Trasdegi you said you didn't really have any wolf suspicions
Do you have human reads on people?  Who?
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 1:00 PM
I haven't really apart from E.gadd which is TWC for me
I'm reading again the tread
Michael - Yesterday at 1:03 PM
I think our biggest question for town as a whole is whether or not we want to operate under the assumption brainy was a wolf
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:03 PM
@mastersuperfan the money is always right!
Also @Michael spot on
mastersuperfan - Yesterday at 1:04 PM
oh also I gotta go for now so don't expect any activity from me for a bit
Michael - Yesterday at 1:04 PM
I'm reading dudeman as human as of today as well
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:04 PM
I think we should keep an eye on both scenarios while we do things
Michael - Yesterday at 1:04 PM
Even though wolves didn't get a kill, vigi missing tomorrow night could still lead to parity
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:04 PM
One for brainy as a wolf and one for brainy as a human
Michael - Yesterday at 1:05 PM
That being said, with two kills available for us I think we're likely to hit a wolf- therefore wolves miss parity by inactivity last night
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 1:06 PM
The best scenario would be that brainy was inactivity
Michael - Yesterday at 1:06 PM
Operating under the assumption that brainy was human simply means there's a wolf in his vigi wagon
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 1:06 PM
But that's highly unlikely
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:06 PM
@Trasdegi I'm pretty sure best case scenario would be that brainy was btr wolf
That would slow down human deahs
Deaths*
Michael - Yesterday at 1:07 PM
Well with only one wolf inactivity really is better than a kill
But with 2 the kill is so much better
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:07 PM
Wait I'm confused, explain that pls
Michael - Yesterday at 1:08 PM
It's a numbers game
The wolf wants to end the game at night
And if they kill humans they confirm that person green
Using inactivity makes it more likely that the sole wolf lives until parity
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:09 PM
Wait how do the confirm humans green
No seering/cardflips
Michael - Yesterday at 1:09 PM
Someone getting wolfed means they are human
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 1:09 PM
In fact, inactivity sole win at night 3
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:10 PM
@Michael but it doesn't reveal their color to anyone.
And only a wolf would know who was vigi'd vs wolf'd
Michael - Yesterday at 1:10 PM
Um we are told
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:10 PM
Wait we are?
Trasdegi - Yesterday at 1:11 PM
Yes brainy was vigid
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:11 PM
Oh shit I missed that
Brb reading thread
Ooooh I see, he was banned (terminology). I guess the possibility of him being wolf'd was so slim that I just assumed it would be a Vigi.
At least in my mind.
Michael - Yesterday at 1:13 PM
Reading is hard yo
Confirmed
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 1:13 PM
Enlighten me to this reading
Michael - Yesterday at 1:14 PM
I can't even correctly read inactivity's powers lol
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 1:30 PM
I don't get all the Trasdegi suspicion... why?
Michael - Yesterday at 1:30 PM
Tony
@Host can you right click brainy and give him the "dead" role
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 1:32 PM
Tony?
Michael - Yesterday at 1:32 PM
Y not
TyrantNeptune - Yesterday at 1:35 PM
How do I do that?
[close]
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 05:45:26 PM
Part 2

Spoiler
[1:37 PM] Michael: When you right click you should see an option called roles
[1:37 PM] Michael: I believe I gave host role that power
[1:37 PM] Michael: Just mouse over roles and click the dead one
[1:38 PM] TyrantNeptune: I see no roles option.
[1:40 PM] Michael: Try left clicking him and see if you can add a role that way
[1:43 PM] TyrantNeptune: If I left click I can see 'No roles', but I can't click on that and I see no other way to change it.
[1:43 PM] Michael: Hm
[1:43 PM] Michael: I guess you don't have that permission then
[1:45 PM] Michael: Now try
[1:46 PM] Michael: Bingo
[1:46 PM] TyrantNeptune: I succeeded.
[1:47 PM] Michael: That role prevents people from speaking, just so they aren't tempted
[2:29 PM] DeadLucario: (That's false btw. Only speaking to tell you this.)(edited)
[2:53 PM] Michael: Brainy can you still speak
[2:53 PM] Michael: Guess I didn't save my changes from last night
[2:54 PM] Michael: Does anyone want to volunteer to temporarily be dead
[2:54 PM] mastersuperfan: ...sure
[2:54 PM] Michael: @Host kill msf pls
[2:55 PM] Michael: Can you talk in other channels still
[2:55 PM] Michael: All right thanks davy
[2:55 PM] Michael: You can revive msf now
[2:56 PM] mastersuperfan: frivolous
[2:56 PM] Michael: I'm glad that works
[3:19 PM] E. Gadd Industries: RIP dedLucro
[10:02 PM] Olimar12345: @everyone let's chat about the lynch
[10:02 PM] Olimar12345: Who's online
[10:02 PM] mastersuperfan: I am
[10:02 PM] Olimar12345: Cool
[10:02 PM] Olimar12345: @Dudeman you there
[10:02 PM] Olimar12345: Rip offlinw
[10:02 PM] Olimar12345: Oh well
[10:03 PM] Golden Silver: hello
[10:03 PM] Olimar12345: Oh perf. You were going to be my next @mention
[10:03 PM] mastersuperfan: and goodbye to anyone standing in John Cena's way(edited)
[10:03 PM] Olimar12345: Hello
[10:03 PM] Golden Silver: Am doing something else at the moment, but I'll probably be popping in and out.
[10:04 PM] Olimar12345: So for the record MSF, I'm not trying to defend Noc because he's my wolf partner or anything, he just plays really shittily
[10:05 PM] Olimar12345: I just think we should not dangle an insta in front of the wolves
[10:05 PM] Olimar12345: Because, at least with my experience, Noc just makes too easy of a human lynch target
[10:06 PM] Olimar12345: We should be looking at the reactions to his posts
[10:06 PM] mastersuperfan: then shall I retract my vote for now, then
[10:06 PM] mastersuperfan: but tbh I'm already convinced that Noc's a wolf
[10:06 PM] Michael: Remaining wolves are between you dm and trasd
[10:06 PM] Michael: Good night
[10:06 PM] Olimar12345: Like, I'll be honest, I'm not really all for a dm lynch, but the way he acts in the topic about Noc is becoming shady af
[10:07 PM] Olimar12345: He literally just voted for Noc out of spite
[10:07 PM] mastersuperfan: that's true
[10:07 PM] Olimar12345: Idk
[10:07 PM] Golden Silver: that totally doesn't mean we shouldn't lynch noc though
[10:07 PM] Olimar12345: True
[10:08 PM] Olimar12345: We have a whole day left though
[10:08 PM] Golden Silver: if he's a prime lynch target regardless of whether or not he's a human or wolf, that makes him a perfect neutral
[10:08 PM] Olimar12345: Exactly
[10:08 PM] mastersuperfan: [9:25 PM] Dudeman: Holy shit what if Brainy really was the first wolf and Noc really is the other one
[9:25 PM] Dudeman: What if we're about to win the game in two phases with zero human deaths
[9:25 PM] mastersuperfan: legendary
[9:26 PM] Dudeman: TWG will die again
[9:26 PM] Dudeman: Guaranteed
[9:26 PM] mastersuperfan: lol
[9:26 PM] mastersuperfan: and we'll be the ones who have killed it
[9:26 PM] Dudeman: A two-phase game where Noc got lynched Day 1 like normal
[9:26 PM] Dudeman: Nothing special, no crazy conspiracies, no games of cat-and-mouse
[9:26 PM] Dudeman: That's it, show's over
[9:26 PM] Dudeman: TWG goes dormant for another year
[10:08 PM] mastersuperfan: what if Dudeman's bamboozling me here
[10:08 PM] Golden Silver: and with a lack of other good suspicions, a perfect neutral (otherwise, a wildcard) makes the best lynch
[10:08 PM] Olimar12345: So let's use our time instead of jumping the phase
[10:08 PM] Golden Silver: And right now, we lack good suspicions.
[10:09 PM] Olimar12345: If circumstantial evidence didn't point to egadd being twc so hard, I'dve been on his case lol.
[10:09 PM] Olimar12345: Ugh
[10:10 PM] mastersuperfan: so I should retract my vote, then
[10:11 PM] mastersuperfan: oh Dudeman's here
[10:11 PM] Olimar12345: I would (for now, at least). We can still lynch him tomorrow if needed
[10:11 PM] mastersuperfan: or, well, he's online at least
[10:12 PM] Olimar12345: But I'm more worried that he's going to end up being a human that that a wolf will tip the scale while we sleep or something.
[10:12 PM] Olimar12345: I almost removed my vote from dm when Noc switched over for the same reason tbh but then no one else voted so eh.
[10:13 PM] Dudeman: I'm just popping in for a moment
[10:13 PM] Olimar12345: In fact, if you take your vote off of Noc I'll probably remove my dm vote jic
[10:13 PM] Olimar12345: Oh hi there
[10:13 PM] Dudeman: I don't care if Noc "always plays shitty," if he wants to help us out its his responsibility to play better.
[10:13 PM] Dudeman: I'm voting for Noc. That's that.
[10:13 PM] Olimar12345: Yeah but what if he's a human?
[10:13 PM] Olimar12345: And if we didn't hit a wolf last night
[10:13 PM] Dudeman: If he's human he should have done a better job.
[10:13 PM] Olimar12345: That right threre
[10:14 PM] Olimar12345: That's what I'm looking at
[10:14 PM] Golden Silver: and what if anybody else we lynch is human
[10:14 PM] Golden Silver: theoreticals don't work like that
[10:14 PM] Dudeman: He lied to the vigi, he lied to MSF, he continues to withhold information from all of us because he thinks he knows better.
[10:14 PM] mastersuperfan: well now I can't help wondering if Noc is a human just playing shittily and Dudeman's the wolf
[10:14 PM] Olimar12345: I'm just saying how about we not get so personal about it is all
[10:15 PM] Dudeman: It's only getting personal because this game is just becoming the next in a long line of games where Noc is helping nothin.
[10:15 PM] Olimar12345: That's just Noc though.
[10:15 PM] Olimar12345: Can't do much about that
[10:15 PM] Olimar12345: Other than remember how he plays
[10:16 PM] Olimar12345: And recall it
[10:16 PM] mastersuperfan: it's like that one character in Danganronpa 2 who always tries to fuck up the trials as much as possible
[10:16 PM] Dudeman: I'd rather not play a game where the point of the game is to work around the same player every time, thank you.
[10:16 PM] Olimar12345: tf is danganrompa
[10:17 PM] Olimar12345: Well for the sake of the rest of us humans, pls don't fuck us over kthanks
[10:17 PM] mastersuperfan: okay
[10:17 PM] mastersuperfan: I'll retract my vote
[10:17 PM] mastersuperfan: but that doesn't mean I won't put it back on Noc if I feel like I need to
[10:17 PM] Dudeman: For the sake of preventing an insta it's cool if MSF revokes his
[10:17 PM] Olimar12345: We can still vote for Noc
[10:17 PM] Dudeman: But I'm not budging
[10:17 PM] Dudeman: I'm sorry
[10:17 PM] Dudeman: There's just too much not in his favor.
[10:17 PM] Olimar12345: That's fine for now
[10:18 PM] Olimar12345: I mostly just didn't want to wake up to an insta
[10:20 PM] Olimar12345: Hm. Well now I'm out of things to say/think about. What else is new?
[10:22 PM] Olimar12345: Trasdegi needs to be more active.
[10:22 PM] Olimar12345: I'm pretty neutral on MSF and BDS for the time being.
[10:22 PM] Olimar12345: Uh
[10:22 PM] Olimar12345: More later I guess
[10:27 PM] Olimar12345: Someone should post this log in the topic sometime jic
[10:27 PM] Olimar12345: I'm on mobile.
[10:27 PM] Olimar12345: So I cannot
[11:01 PM] E. Gadd Industries: I would but I'm also on mobile
[11:03 PM] Olimar12345: Wait so why did you remove YOUR vote?
[11:06 PM] Golden Silver: you're a very persuasive person olimar
[11:07 PM] Olimar12345: Apparently 6_6
[11:08 PM] Olimar12345: I swear that egadd just does whatever someone else does without too much thought or an explanation.
[11:10 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Sorry, I was posting WotD.
That is true to an extent. HOWEVER, trying to read Noc is like using Finale NotePad: impossible. I've been trying to analyse things more than I have in the past, but this is just... yeah. :/ idk, Ima just wait and see how tomorrow plays out. Not sure if my vote will stay with Noc or go Dudeman.
[11:11 PM] E. Gadd Industries: It's also 11:11 where I am & I need sleep; I have friends coming in for the eclipse so my parents want me up early to help set up for this
[11:11 PM] E. Gadd Industries: G'night all!
[11:12 PM] Golden Silver: "trying to read Noc is like using Finale NotePad" lololololololol
[11:41 PM] Dudeman: Possibly the best comparison I've seen yet
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Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 05:46:01 PM
Part 3

Spoiler
[6:19 PM] Olimar12345: I can copy the log over in a bit
[6:19 PM] Olimar12345: But that does in fact suck
[6:19 PM] Olimar12345: Why'd she do that though
[6:19 PM] Michael: Well she turned the computer off Sunday morning
[6:19 PM] Michael: When I asked her why she didn't have a reason
[6:20 PM] Michael: Then this morning I told her I'd need it after work for important stuff
[6:20 PM] Michael: And she said as long as I kept being disrespectful she wasn't gonna do anything for me
[6:21 PM] Olimar12345: Be respectful pls
[6:22 PM] Michael: I'm not even being disrespectful
[6:22 PM] Olimar12345: Be overly nice pls
[6:22 PM] Olimar12345: Make it obvious
[6:22 PM] Michael: She asks dumb or annoying questions all the time and I just ignore her
[6:22 PM] Olimar12345: Nooooo
[6:23 PM] Olimar12345: Don't do that
[6:23 PM] Michael: And basically I have to cook steak to use the computer
[6:23 PM] Michael: But I can't cook steak
[6:23 PM] Olimar12345: But steak is good
[6:23 PM] Olimar12345: Ask braix
[6:23 PM] Michael: She said I can't burn it either
[6:23 PM] Olimar12345: Better cool up a damn good steak
[6:23 PM] Olimar12345: Got a grill?
[6:24 PM] Michael: That's what I have to cook it on
[6:24 PM] Michael: Propane grill
[6:24 PM] Olimar12345: Dude
[6:24 PM] Michael: Tbh I really can't do it
[6:24 PM] Olimar12345: That sounds awesome though
[6:25 PM] Olimar12345: Well try at least
[6:25 PM] Olimar12345: Propane grill is almost as good as a GF
[6:25 PM] Michael: Like would it kill my mom to just type in the password before I cook dinner
[6:25 PM] Michael: Gf what's that
[6:25 PM] Michael: Grill friend?
[6:25 PM] Olimar12345: But then you probably wouldn't make strak
[6:26 PM] Olimar12345: Steak*
[6:26 PM] Michael: I would post all my logs then go grill the steak at a reasonable time
[6:26 PM] Olimar12345: Look this is what you do
[6:26 PM] Michael: Not this 5 pm nonsense
[6:27 PM] Olimar12345: 1) make a fire
2) put steak over said fire
3) wait
4)eat
[6:27 PM] Olimar12345: There's a profit in there somewhere
[6:27 PM] Michael: Probably before buying a steak
[6:28 PM] Olimar12345:
[6:29 PM] Michael: Srs talk- lynch dudeman vigi olimar covers all bases
[6:29 PM] Michael: Except for my tinfoil hat theory
[6:29 PM] Michael: Not to say I think you're a wolf
[6:30 PM] Olimar12345: Well that came quickly
[6:30 PM] Michael: Just that if brainy and dudeman are both human you are a wolf
[6:30 PM] Michael: Odds of brainy and dudeman both human is low though
[6:30 PM] Olimar12345: We can't know if they're both human.
[6:30 PM] Michael: Of course not
[6:31 PM] Michael: But after that sequences lynching trasdegi should win the game in every scenario
[6:32 PM] Michael: Except, again, tinfoil hat
[6:32 PM] Olimar12345: So how do you figure me being a wolf if dudeman and brainy aren't both wolves?
[6:33 PM] Michael: Well if brainy is a wolf you're lock town
[6:33 PM] Olimar12345: I mean there's a pretty good chance that at least one of them is
[6:33 PM] Michael: So it's the assumption that brainy is human
[6:33 PM] Olimar12345: Also what's "lock town"
[6:33 PM] Michael: 100% human
[6:33 PM] Olimar12345: Was that so hard
[6:33 PM] Michael: Lock town is faster
[6:33 PM] Michael: I don't have to search for the %
[6:33 PM] Olimar12345: But you ended up saying both
[6:34 PM] Michael: Yeah well now I only have to say lock town in the future
[6:34 PM] Olimar12345: I suppose lol
[6:35 PM] Olimar12345: But again there aren't cardflips
[6:35 PM] Olimar12345: So we only really know these things when the game ends
[6:35 PM] Michael: Yeah
[6:36 PM] Michael: But like pushing for a brainy vigi is not something you generally do to your partner
[6:36 PM] Olimar12345: Are you talking about me?
[6:36 PM] Olimar12345: I didn't push for any Vigi though
[6:37 PM] Olimar12345: Idk
[6:37 PM] Michael: Lol you and I were independently scumreading brainy immediately
[6:38 PM] Michael: In a game without cardflips bussing is a terrible strategy
[6:38 PM] Olimar12345: Yeah but I had no control over the vigi
[6:38 PM] Olimar12345: But since it was egadd I guess he'd do anything we posted
[6:39 PM] Michael: Oh so anyway
[6:39 PM] Michael: If brainy is a human it makes us look like partners badly tbh
[6:39 PM] Michael: But since I know we're not
[6:40 PM] Michael: It's most likely (numberswise) that there's only going to be 1 wolf on a wagon of 4
[6:40 PM] Michael: This is pure conjecture ofc
[6:42 PM] Michael: So if dudeman is human that leaves you and msf
[6:42 PM] Michael: If brainy is human BDS could be a wolf, but msf isn't
[6:42 PM] Michael: However other evidence strongly indicates they're both the same alliance
[6:43 PM] Michael: Which leaves you partnered with trasdegi
[6:49 PM] mastersuperfan: what's going on here
[6:50 PM] mastersuperfan: lemme see
[6:52 PM] mastersuperfan: okay I'm tempted to vote for Dudeman now
[6:53 PM] mastersuperfan: for now I'll believe that Noc is human
[7:35 PM] Olimar12345: huh
[7:35 PM] Olimar12345: I can't post the log
[7:35 PM] Olimar12345: I think it's too long, but it keeps telling me that there's no message
[7:35 PM] Olimar12345: when I hit preview
[7:36 PM] Michael: Try a different browser
[7:37 PM] Olimar12345: I only have chrome
[7:37 PM] Olimar12345: I don't think it's the browser because it's never the browser
[7:38 PM] mastersuperfan: except when it's the browser, of course
[7:39 PM] Olimar12345: https://youtu.be/2Y8eqGA9g7Q
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Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 05:48:35 PM
Part 1 but it doesn't suck:

Spoiler
[12:42 PM] Olimar12345: I'm here now btw
[12:42 PM] Michael: Weclum townie
[12:43 PM] Michael: So discord is definitely better for twg once you put it in compact mode
[12:43 PM] Michael: Mobile still sucks though
[12:44 PM] Michael: Shhh brainy not in here
[12:44 PM] Michael: You dear
[12:44 PM] Trasdegi: I'm here too
[12:44 PM] Michael: Dead
[12:44 PM] DeadLucario: Requesting dead role plz (won't post again though so if not meh)
[12:44 PM] Michael: I can't give it to you on mobile lol
[12:45 PM] Michael: That's what I made the role for, prevents you from posting
[12:45 PM] Michael: But I haven't figured out how to isolate it to this channl
[12:46 PM] Michael: @Trasdegi so if you had to put money on what happened last night, what would you say
[12:46 PM] mastersuperfan: Mr. Krabs: "DID SOMEONE SAY MONEY"
[12:47 PM] Trasdegi: I think than the wolves took a vote away , and I would like to think than brainy was a wolf, because no one seems obviously wolfy to me atm
[12:48 PM] Michael: Who do you think got inactive'd?
[12:48 PM] DeadLucario: (You can't)
[12:48 PM] Trasdegi: I honestly don't know
[12:50 PM] Trasdegi: Maybe the wolves took the vote of the one than suspected them the most, but that would be risky to do
[12:50 PM] mastersuperfan: a question for thought
[12:50 PM] Michael: Okay, so who had strong suspicions of players leading into d1
[12:51 PM] mastersuperfan: assuming Noc is a human, would it be advantageous or disadvantageous for the wolves to block Noc's vote?
[12:51 PM] mastersuperfan: although I guess that also depends on who the wolves are
[12:51 PM] mastersuperfan: but, blocking the vote of someone who's acting as the center of information but is also controversial as a town member in the process
[12:51 PM] mastersuperfan: I have to wonder whether or not that woud be a move the wolves would do
[12:52 PM] mastersuperfan: because honestly when you said "Who do you think got inactive'd?" my first thought was you, Noc, just because you've been playing such a huge role
[12:54 PM] Trasdegi: Noc generally is a pretty good lynch target from what I understood, and it would be bad for the wolfs to took the vote from the people than we would probably lynch
[12:55 PM] mastersuperfan: would it?
[12:55 PM] mastersuperfan: because that makes it easier for us to lynch them, doesn't it?
[12:55 PM] Michael: "Good" lynch target you're confusing with "common" lynch target
[12:56 PM] Michael: Trasdegi you said you didn't really have any wolf suspicions
[12:56 PM] Michael: Do you have human reads on people?  Who?
[1:00 PM] Trasdegi: I haven't really apart from E.gadd which is TWC for me
[1:00 PM] Trasdegi: I'm reading again the tread
[1:03 PM] Michael: I think our biggest question for town as a whole is whether or not we want to operate under the assumption brainy was a wolf
[1:03 PM] Olimar12345: @mastersuperfan the money is always right!
[1:04 PM] Olimar12345: Also @Michael spot on
[1:04 PM] mastersuperfan: oh also I gotta go for now so don't expect any activity from me for a bit
[1:04 PM] Michael: I'm reading dudeman as human as of today as well
[1:04 PM] Olimar12345: I think we should keep an eye on both scenarios while we do things
[1:04 PM] Michael: Even though wolves didn't get a kill, vigi missing tomorrow night could still lead to parity
[1:04 PM] Olimar12345: One for brainy as a wolf and one for brainy as a human
[1:05 PM] Michael: That being said, with two kills available for us I think we're likely to hit a wolf- therefore wolves miss parity by inactivity last night
[1:06 PM] Trasdegi: The best scenario would be that brainy was inactivity
[1:06 PM] Michael: Operating under the assumption that brainy was human simply means there's a wolf in his vigi wagon
[1:06 PM] Trasdegi: But that's highly unlikely
[1:06 PM] Olimar12345: @Trasdegi I'm pretty sure best case scenario would be that brainy was btr wolf
[1:07 PM] Olimar12345: That would slow down human deahs
[1:07 PM] Olimar12345: Deaths*
[1:07 PM] Michael: Well with only one wolf inactivity really is better than a kill
[1:07 PM] Michael: But with 2 the kill is so much better
[1:07 PM] Olimar12345: Wait I'm confused, explain that pls
[1:08 PM] Michael: It's a numbers game
[1:08 PM] Michael: The wolf wants to end the game at night
[1:08 PM] Michael: And if they kill humans they confirm that person green
[1:08 PM] Michael: Using inactivity makes it more likely that the sole wolf lives until parity
[1:09 PM] Olimar12345: Wait how do the confirm humans green
[1:09 PM] Olimar12345: No seering/cardflips
[1:09 PM] Michael: Someone getting wolfed means they are human
[1:09 PM] Trasdegi: In fact, inactivity sole win at night 3
[1:10 PM] Olimar12345: @Michael but it doesn't reveal their color to anyone.
[1:10 PM] Olimar12345: And only a wolf would know who was vigi'd vs wolf'd
[1:10 PM] Michael: Um we are told
[1:10 PM] Olimar12345: Wait we are?
[1:11 PM] Trasdegi: Yes brainy was vigid
[1:11 PM] Olimar12345: Oh shit I missed that
[1:11 PM] Olimar12345: Brb reading thread
[1:12 PM] Olimar12345: Ooooh I see, he was banned (terminology). I guess the possibility of him being wolf'd was so slim that I just assumed it would be a Vigi.
[1:13 PM] Olimar12345: At least in my mind.
[1:13 PM] Michael: Reading is hard yo
[1:13 PM] Michael: Confirmed
[1:13 PM] Olimar12345: Enlighten me to this reading
[1:14 PM] Michael: I can't even correctly read inactivity's powers lol
[1:30 PM] E. Gadd Industries: I don't get all the Trasdegi suspicion... why?
[1:30 PM] Michael: Tony
[1:31 PM] Michael: @Host can you right click brainy and give him the "dead" role
[1:32 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Tony?
[1:32 PM] Michael: Y not
[1:35 PM] TyrantNeptune: How do I do that?
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Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 21, 2017, 06:25:13 PM
Gonna put in my vote real quick for Dudeman before I have to go for the night. I think there's more to this whole Noc things. He's a strong candidate for both a wolf and a human, so things are interesting now... and hard to separate.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 21, 2017, 06:31:11 PM
Don't insta
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 21, 2017, 06:47:42 PM
Do I need to retract my vote so there's no chance of one or?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 21, 2017, 06:52:34 PM
Nocturne
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 07:03:34 PM
Whatchu thinkin, BDS? should we do a Noc lynch instead?

Current count:

Noc 2 (dudeman, BDS)
dudeman 3 (Olimar, Noc, Egadd)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 21, 2017, 07:05:02 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 07:03:34 PMWhatchu thinkin, BDS? should we do a Noc lynch instead?
Yes. I think I've made my stance on Noc clear.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 07:07:51 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 21, 2017, 07:05:02 PMYes. I think I've made my stance on Noc clear.

You mean this?

Spoiler
[8:48 PM] Golden Silver: "If brainy is human BDS could be a wolf, but msf isn't" I think you're just making up random stuff now, Noc.
[8:49 PM] Golden Silver: oh wait
[8:49 PM] Golden Silver: you've been doing that for a while now
[8:50 PM] Olimar12345: rekt
[8:51 PM] Golden Silver: i mean
[8:51 PM] Golden Silver: i've been pretty much the only one advocating brainy as a human
[8:51 PM] Golden Silver: if i were a wolf
[8:51 PM] Golden Silver: and brainy was actually human
[8:52 PM] Golden Silver: that would make no sense
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Just wanted to know if we were going to get a nice post or something.


oh, and temporary RETRACT

Current count:

Noc 2 (dudeman, BDS)
dudeman 2 (Noc, Egadd)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 21, 2017, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 07:07:51 PMYou mean this?
Well, that's only the most recent thing.

QuoteJust wanted to know if we were going to get a nice post or something.
nope

I think I've been on the "I think we should lynch Noc" train for a while, and aside from an actual vote, I see no need to reiterate everything I've already said.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 21, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
Last post before I sleep: first and foremost e gadd is the lynch pin-  he needs to make sure he knows what to do.

Secondly, I'm not entirely sure about this plan.  That being said, if I'm wrong msf played a fantastic wolf game :3

From my perspective, if we lynch dudeman and e gadd vigis olimar, there's absolutely no way the humans will lose.  If the game isn't over at that point trasdegi is a wolf by process of elimination.  All of this is banking purely on the premise that I read BDS and msf town- I think that's correct.  Since I didn't get computer access I can't share what I noticed for me to arrive at this conclusion

If I end up getting lynched then e gadd needs to vigi dudeman I think
Not 100% about that but I think it means he's inactivity

The numbers are weird though so If we want everyone to vote there needs to be an insta

My vote will obviously remain on dudeman since it has to
I'll let the rest of you figure out who we're lynching and once you've reached a majority THEN we can insta

Am I missing anything?
*clutches tinfoil hat harder and prays BDS is not wolf*
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 21, 2017, 08:50:48 PM
Dudeman I guess. I really don't care anymore. I mean it doesn't matter, since we can Vigi the other one anyway.

Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 21, 2017, 09:06:34 PM
Wait a minute. If we even out the votes, we can use this as an opportunity to narrow down who lost their vote. Anybody else want to join in?
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 21, 2017, 11:05:43 PM
I'll vote for Dudeman
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 21, 2017, 11:16:51 PM
you just insta'd dudeman

WELP
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 22, 2017, 01:59:58 AM
TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG

There's no seering in this game, so colors are just for convenience.

Wolves
1. Breaking the rules - Can wolf a player during the night phase. If he wolves a player, Inactivity cannot use its power during the same night phase.
2. Inactivity - Cannot wolf. Each night phase can target one player, except himself or Breaking the rules. That player loses his vote. If Inactivity uses its power, Breaking the rules cannot wolf during the same night phase. During the day phase, Inactivity can opt to have its voting power changed based on the amount of times it succesfully caused a player to lose its vote:
        0 times: vote counts for 1
        1 time: vote counts for 1,01
        2 times: vote counts for 2,01
        3 times or more: Any vote he casts immediately causes an insta on the player Inactivity voted for, and other players' votes can't cause insta's.

Humans:
3. TWC Member - Known for his abuse of power frivolousness, he can ban (=vigi) one player each night phase. Additionally, during any phase, but one time only, he can post the name of a player that was vigi'd followed by 'that ban was just a joke, also, frivolous.' to revive that player at the end of the phase.
4. Host - In an attempt to keep his game alive he can convince a player to keep playing (=guard) each night phase. This protects them from both Inactivity and Breaking the rules. Cannot guard self. Each time he guards a player that was also guarded the night phase before, a random human other than the host and the guarded player loses his vote, because the game is no fun if the host has favorites. This loss of votes doesn't count towards Inactivity's voting power, unless Inactivity targets the same player at any point in the game.
5. Player
6. Player
7. Player
8. Player

Role PM's
Breaking the rules
You are Breaking the rules. I mean, you have the role Breaking the rules. If I catch you breaking the rules, you will be kicked out of the game, even though you are Breaking the rules.

NAME is Inactivity.
[close]
Inactivity
You are Inactivity. That is not an excuse to be inactive.

NAME is Breaking the rules, well, I mean, that's his role, not his current activity.
[close]
TWC Member
You are the TWC Member. It is your duty to provide a structural base for the subforum, to make sure things don't get out of hand and to govern the subforum with knowledge and experience. Or you can just go trigger happy and ban everyone.

Frivolous.
[close]
Host
You are the host. Wait, no, I am the host. You just have the role Host. You can convince people to keep playing, but try to not have favourites, that might backfire.
[close]
Player
You are a Player. You should really stop having all those one-night stands, though.
[close]
[close]



1. Olimar12345
2. BlackDragonSlayer
3. NocturneOfShadow
4. E. Gadd Industries
5. Dudeman
6. BrainyLucario
7. Trasdegi
8. mastersuperfan



Day 1 is over. Dudeman was lynched at the end of the phase (there was no insta). It's now Night 2. Night 2 ends August 23rd 2:00AM PST, 3:00AM MST, 4:00AM CST, 5:00AM EST, 11:00AM CET. That's 24 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 22, 2017, 02:49:12 AM
So we know than either noc, egadd, olimar or me loosed their vote n1 (it was highly probable)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 22, 2017, 03:05:21 AM
Quote from: davy on August 22, 2017, 01:59:58 AMDay 1 is over. It's now day 1. Day 1 ends August 23r1d
little problem here...
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 22, 2017, 04:15:10 AM
Quote from: Trasdegi on August 22, 2017, 03:05:21 AMlittle problem here...

Thanks, I edited it. Speaking of editing, players are not allowed to edit their posts.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 22, 2017, 04:33:14 AM
Sorry I didn't remembered this rule and I won't do again (it was a typo)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Dudeman on August 22, 2017, 08:32:24 AM
Ah. Well then. I see.

We'll see how this turns out, then.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 10:19:31 AM
Since the game is ending either tonight if we lose or tomorrow if we win, I think now is the best time for everyone to publicize all their 1 on 1s
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 22, 2017, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 22, 2017, 10:19:31 AMSince the game is ending either tonight if we lose or tomorrow if we win, I think now is the best time for everyone to publicize all their 1 on 1s


1. We technically can win tonight if TWG does a good job
2. We technically can loose tomorrow, if there is 1 wolf left, vigi misses and we mislynch
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 22, 2017, 11:18:40 AM
Oops, two mistakes: I was talking of TWC and 2 wolfs left
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 12:51:20 PM
Between our kills I'm sure we're going to hit exactly one wolf
Tomorrow there will be four players left, one of which is the guardian
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 12:52:07 PM
Of course there's the possibility we've already hit the golfing wolf in which case we'll need to play more conservatively
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 12:52:37 PM
Golfing what???
Wolfing ;)
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 22, 2017, 06:28:00 PM
Getting offline, here's a small log to think about I guess:

Spoiler
[1:58 PM] Dudeman: I can't believe Noc actually survived past day 1
[1:58 PM] Dudeman: That combined with a solar eclipse must be a sign of the apocalypse
[2:39 PM] BrainyLucario: True dat
[5:43 PM] Olimar12345: pls don't talk here you're dead
[5:43 PM] Olimar12345: this isn't the death chat
[5:43 PM] Olimar12345: but yes, it is an anomaly that noc is alive
[7:42 PM] E. Gadd Industries: TEH WAURLD IS ENDING D:
[7:42 PM] mastersuperfan: well, that was thanks to you, Olimar
[7:43 PM] E. Gadd Industries: ^true
[7:56 PM] BlackDragonSlayer: i mean
[7:56 PM] BlackDragonSlayer: you could have voted, msf
[7:57 PM] Olimar12345: ^
[7:57 PM] Olimar12345: poor noc. I guess he deserves at least a chance lol
[7:59 PM] Olimar12345: but we can still vigi him if people really want to.
[8:01 PM] mastersuperfan: no, I don't mean I was against lynching Dudeman
[8:01 PM] mastersuperfan: but if Olimar hadn't stepped in then we probably would've gone ahead and insta'd Noc
[8:05 PM] Olimar12345: There was a clear bandwagon happening before I stepped in though
[8:06 PM] Olimar12345: Dudeman was literally unwilling to budge from voting noc just becuase he didn't want to play with noc
[8:06 PM] Olimar12345: that's a pretty shitty reason to lynch anyone
[8:06 PM] Olimar12345: at least BDS had a legit reason (which I half agree with)
[8:07 PM] Olimar12345: However, we now know that at least one human is dead.
[8:07 PM] Olimar12345: If you still want Noc dead, I'd get @E. Gadd Industries on the horn pronto before noc has a chance to pm a wolfing/inactive.
[8:08 PM] Olimar12345: However...
[8:08 PM] Olimar12345: I have another suspicion brewing atm.
[deleted dudeman meme post]
[8:08 PM] Olimar12345: hush you
[8:08 PM] Olimar12345: the dead cannot speak
[8:09 PM] Olimar12345: pls cheat less
[8:11 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Ummmmm I'd say the wolves have already done something
[8:11 PM] E. Gadd Industries: What's your suspicion, though?
[8:14 PM] Olimar12345: I'll post about it in a bit.  for now though: Host: if you're still alive (which I surely hope you are) guard E.Gadd ASAP
[8:16 PM] Olimar12345: Actually, since it's basically confirmed that E.Gadd is TWC, it probably is okay for the Host to claim to them.
[close]
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 22, 2017, 06:30:54 PM
My recommendation for now: Egadd: I would recommend vigi-ing noc. That'd be the safest route I think, since there was so much interest in that last phase. Guardian pls guard Egadd.

Tomorrow when I have time to actually sit down and make it, I'll type up a new suspicion post.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 22, 2017, 07:04:33 PM
Quote from: davy on August 19, 2017, 02:09:42 AMTWG XCII: How to Kill TWG
QuoteTWG XCII
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 22, 2017, 07:10:19 PM
Doesn't matter, nobody bothers to read Roman numerals anyways
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 22, 2017, 07:21:58 PM
:O RIP that's great XDDDDD
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 22, 2017, 07:24:39 PM
Quote from: davy on August 19, 2017, 02:09:42 AM4. Host - In an attempt to keep his game alive he can convince a player to keep playing (=guard) each night phase. This protects them from both Inactivity and Breaking the rules. Cannot guard self. Each time he guards a player that was also guarded the night phase before, a random human other than the host and the guarded player loses his vote, because the game is no fun if the host has favorites. This loss of votes doesn't count towards Inactivity's voting power, unless Inactivity targets the same player at any point in the game.

Okay so apparently I cannot read. HOST: DO NOT GUARD EGADD it is essential that we not lose a vote for next phase. I guess just pick someone else or something.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
Oh I didn't read that either.  There's something meaningful in there about what might happen tonight but I'm tired ugh gotta think through this
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 07:49:23 PM
If the host has the ability to guard e gadd he should absolutely do so

Afaik wolves are forced into killing e gadd and if they don't we still have a vigi which is the absolute best case of a worst case scenario
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 07:50:24 PM
We just have to all or nothing votes tomorrow and basically e gadd gets mvp because we need his ability to win
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 07:51:00 PM
I feel like Donald trump just tweeting the first thing that pops into my head and hitting send
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 07:53:25 PM
If inactivity hit someone and someone other than e gadd gets killed/inactivd AND the host guards e gadd we go into the next day with 2 human votes- e gadds is guaranteed

There will also be 5 players instead of 4 so if there are still 2 wolves left this is still our best option
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 22, 2017, 07:54:14 PM
5 players if they inactive*
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 23, 2017, 02:03:00 AM
TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG

There's no seering in this game, so colors are just for convenience.

Wolves
1. Breaking the rules - Can wolf a player during the night phase. If he wolves a player, Inactivity cannot use its power during the same night phase.
2. Inactivity - Cannot wolf. Each night phase can target one player, except himself or Breaking the rules. That player loses his vote. If Inactivity uses its power, Breaking the rules cannot wolf during the same night phase. During the day phase, Inactivity can opt to have its voting power changed based on the amount of times it succesfully caused a player to lose its vote:
        0 times: vote counts for 1
        1 time: vote counts for 1,01
        2 times: vote counts for 2,01
        3 times or more: Any vote he casts immediately causes an insta on the player Inactivity voted for, and other players' votes can't cause insta's.

Humans:
3. TWC Member - Known for his abuse of power frivolousness, he can ban (=vigi) one player each night phase. Additionally, during any phase, but one time only, he can post the name of a player that was vigi'd followed by 'that ban was just a joke, also, frivolous.' to revive that player at the end of the phase.
4. Host - In an attempt to keep his game alive he can convince a player to keep playing (=guard) each night phase. This protects them from both Inactivity and Breaking the rules. Cannot guard self. Each time he guards a player that was also guarded the night phase before, a random human other than the host and the guarded player loses his vote, because the game is no fun if the host has favorites. This loss of votes doesn't count towards Inactivity's voting power, unless Inactivity targets the same player at any point in the game.
5. Player
6. Player
7. Player
8. Player

Role PM's
Breaking the rules
You are Breaking the rules. I mean, you have the role Breaking the rules. If I catch you breaking the rules, you will be kicked out of the game, even though you are Breaking the rules.

NAME is Inactivity.
[close]
Inactivity
You are Inactivity. That is not an excuse to be inactive.

NAME is Breaking the rules, well, I mean, that's his role, not his current activity.
[close]
TWC Member
You are the TWC Member. It is your duty to provide a structural base for the subforum, to make sure things don't get out of hand and to govern the subforum with knowledge and experience. Or you can just go trigger happy and ban everyone.

Frivolous.
[close]
Host
You are the host. Wait, no, I am the host. You just have the role Host. You can convince people to keep playing, but try to not have favourites, that might backfire.
[close]
Player
You are a Player. You should really stop having all those one-night stands, though.
[close]
[close]



1. Olimar12345
2. BlackDragonSlayer
3. NocturneOfShadow
4. E. Gadd Industries
5. Dudeman
6. BrainyLucario
7. Trasdegi
8. mastersuperfan



Night 2 is over. NocturneOfShadow was banned by the TWC. It's now Day 2. Day 2 ends August 25th 2:00AM PST, 3:00AM MST, 4:00AM CST, 5:00AM EST, 11:00AM CET. That's 48 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 23, 2017, 02:23:12 AM
Ok, just saying this to make sure everybody knows:
NOBODY VOTE until we have reached a consensus about who to vote for.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 23, 2017, 03:31:43 AM
Oh hey, I'm still alive!
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 23, 2017, 04:52:21 AM
Ew
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 23, 2017, 06:25:11 PM
All right, E. Gadd wanted me to claim publicly. I am the Host, and thus, you can trust me as much as you can him. Night 1 I guarded E. Gadd, as I figured it would be best to play it safe, and last night, I guarded Olimar.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 23, 2017, 06:25:54 PM
This is confirmed.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 23, 2017, 07:01:47 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 23, 2017, 06:25:11 PMAll right, E. Gadd wanted me to claim publicly. I am the Host, and thus, you can trust me as much as you can him. Night 1 I guarded E. Gadd, as I figured it would be best to play it safe, and last night, I guarded Olimar.

Ran the odds in the chat earlier and not only does it check out with them, it's more plausible. Log:

Spoiler
[3:36 PM] Trasdegi: So is there anyone to talk?
[3:37 PM] mastersuperfan: I'm alive
[3:37 PM] Trasdegi: So IMO the host really should claim to e.gadd and tell him which people he guarded
[3:38 PM] Trasdegi: Then we will be able to know how many players still have their votes
[3:38 PM] mastersuperfan: Olimar already told the host to claim to E. Gadd last night
[3:38 PM] mastersuperfan: in the NSM server
[3:39 PM] Trasdegi: If the host is dead then we have a problem
[3:39 PM] mastersuperfan: I should hope not
[3:40 PM] Trasdegi: So there can't be two wolves left because in this case they would already have won
[3:40 PM] mastersuperfan: not necessarily
[3:40 PM] Trasdegi: This leaves us with 1 wolf and between 2 and 4 players with votes
[3:40 PM] mastersuperfan: there are 5 people left right
[3:40 PM] mastersuperfan: oh unless you mean
[3:41 PM] mastersuperfan: BTR would've killed someone
[3:41 PM] Trasdegi: But we know than 1 people lost a vote
[3:41 PM] mastersuperfan: today?
[3:41 PM] Trasdegi: No before
[3:41 PM] Trasdegi: Because dudeman wasn't insta
[3:42 PM] mastersuperfan: yeah before
[3:42 PM] mastersuperfan: wait
[3:42 PM] mastersuperfan: do they lose it permanently?
[3:42 PM] Trasdegi: Good question
[3:42 PM] mastersuperfan: damn I think they do
[3:42 PM] mastersuperfan: I didn't think of that
[3:43 PM] Trasdegi: @TyrantNeptune was online 5 minutes ago
[3:43 PM] mastersuperfan: yeah okay you're right then, huh
[3:43 PM] mastersuperfan: if there were two wolves left now...
[3:43 PM] mastersuperfan: then they could just lynch E. Gadd and win, couldn't they?
[3:44 PM] Trasdegi: Mhmm if Inactivity choosed to not rise his vote power this would be 2 against 2
[3:44 PM] Trasdegi: But it's highly unlikely
[3:45 PM] mastersuperfan: if there are two wolves left then we're just screwed, then
[3:45 PM] mastersuperfan: they'd just reveal themselves and go lynch E. Gadd, probably
[3:45 PM] mastersuperfan: unless, like, Noc was the one who lost his vote and BTR acted last night but host guarded or something convoluted like that but that's unlikely
[3:46 PM] Trasdegi: It's why we need to know who was guarded and when
[3:46 PM] mastersuperfan: so assuming that this day goes by without the wolves coming out and winning the game
[3:46 PM] mastersuperfan: maybe we should guess, of those who died, which one was a wolf
[3:47 PM] mastersuperfan: the TWC has the power to revive Brainy or Noc, so this is important
[3:47 PM] Trasdegi: Oh yes if we can be sure than one of them is human we need to revive him
[3:48 PM] mastersuperfan: actually, considering the revive ability
[3:48 PM] mastersuperfan: the wolves still wouldn't reveal themselves today
[3:49 PM] mastersuperfan: actually no nvm
[3:49 PM] mastersuperfan: we'd still be screwed
[3:49 PM] mastersuperfan: because E. Gadd would be the one getting lynched
[3:49 PM] mastersuperfan: let's just hope one of the dead is a wolf
[3:49 PM] mastersuperfan: and go from there
[3:49 PM] Trasdegi: Mmm no we could lynch someone else that would be 3-2
[3:51 PM] Trasdegi: And if dudeman was wolf noc was human and lost his vote and we revived brainy that would even be 4-2
[3:55 PM] Trasdegi: Does bds use discord?
[3:55 PM] mastersuperfan: yeah, he's Golden Silver
[4:02 PM] Trasdegi: Now it's all about reading the tread again and again
[5:38 PM] TyrantNeptune: Loss of votes is indeed permanent.
[6:10 PM] mastersuperfan: wow
[6:10 PM] mastersuperfan: all of a sudden Inactivity is a LOT stronger than I thought
[6:10 PM] mastersuperfan: oh man this is not good
[6:11 PM] Olimar12345: oh hi people
[6:11 PM] Olimar12345: I am online now
[6:12 PM] Olimar12345: egadd, has the host reached out to you yet?
[6:12 PM] Olimar12345: @E. Gadd Industries
[6:12 PM] Olimar12345: first things first, we need to know if you were guarded last night
[6:12 PM] Olimar12345: because if you were then we lose a vote
[6:13 PM] Olimar12345: BUT if you weren't, then we have some great news
[6:14 PM] Olimar12345: 1) you survived a night scott free and bought us some more voting power against inactivity
[6:14 PM] Olimar12345: @TyrantNeptune are blocked wolfings made public
[6:14 PM] mastersuperfan: they are not
[6:14 PM] Olimar12345: dang
[6:15 PM] Olimar12345: well, there's a very good chance that we might have actually killed the wolfing wolf
[6:15 PM] mastersuperfan: that would be a rather huge piece of intel for our side if they were made public
[6:15 PM] mastersuperfan: I hope so
[6:15 PM] Olimar12345: that or they have just chosen to use inactivity over killing
[6:16 PM] Olimar12345: one thing is certain though: if we do not kill both wolves by the end of this phase, @E. Gadd Industries MUST NOT VIGI NEXT NIGHT
[6:16 PM] Olimar12345: We need to revive someone over another blind shot
[6:16 PM] mastersuperfan: host can revive any time
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: it doesn't stop them from killing
[6:17 PM] Olimar12345: oh wait I thought that was the vigi's power
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: oh wait
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: I'm getting confused between host and TWC
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: yeah, that is the vigi's power
[6:17 PM] Olimar12345: yeah
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: screw it I'll just call em vigi and guardian
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: but vigi can do it anytime
[6:17 PM] Olimar12345: wait
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: and it doesn't prevent them from shooting
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: vigi can even do it during a day phase
[6:17 PM] mastersuperfan: revive, that is
[6:18 PM] Olimar12345: @TyrantNeptune can the vigi and revive be used during the same phase?
[6:18 PM] Olimar12345: or must they pick like the wolves?
[6:19 PM] Olimar12345: still, the point is to increase our numbers. It might still be good to only revive if the game comes to it.
[6:21 PM] Olimar12345: but tbh we have a bigger thing to worry about: today
[6:29 PM] Olimar12345: oh shit you know what I just realized: vote-wise, we're pretty fucked
[6:29 PM] mastersuperfan: yeah, I think we kind of are
[6:29 PM] mastersuperfan: especially if host guarded E. Gadd
[6:29 PM] mastersuperfan: which is why Tras and I were saying that if both wolves are still alive then they can just win by outvoting us
[6:30 PM] Olimar12345: worst case scenario:
-Inactive used two inactives, their vote counts as 2
-their two targets are still alive (meaning they cannot vote)
-eggad guarded again (-1 vote)
[6:30 PM] Olimar12345: in this scenario, if everyone votes it'll be 2-1
[6:31 PM] mastersuperfan: Inactivity's vote would count as 2.01 wouldn't it
[6:31 PM] Olimar12345: wolf-human
[6:31 PM] Olimar12345: but the second wolf has to be dead though
[6:31 PM] Olimar12345: well, we wouldn't know that
[6:31 PM] Olimar12345: since the actual count isn't revealed
[6:31 PM] Olimar12345: (I asked last phase)
[6:32 PM] Olimar12345: it sounds like the 0.01 only actually matters in a tie
[6:33 PM] Olimar12345: of course, there's a chance that noc was the one that lost a vote last phase, meaning we have more votes.
[6:33 PM] Olimar12345: but ech we need to think about what we're going to actually do
[6:34 PM] Olimar12345: BDS is correct in holding off votes. I think the less we get the better
[7:48 PM] Golden Silver: We are 100% sure that somebody lost a vote the first night, because Dudeman wasn't insta'd. What we aren't sure of, however, is if a vote was lost tonight.
[8:12 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Yes, the host claimed to me
[8:14 PM] E. Gadd Industries: I believe we have a chance at winning this still. Provided 1 of the wolves are dead, that is. BUT we're treading on eggshells.
[8:15 PM] Olimar12345: So did the host guard you last night?
[8:15 PM] Olimar12345: because if not we still have better chances today
[8:16 PM] E. Gadd Industries: This is correct, I was not guarded
[8:16 PM] Olimar12345: aaaaw yeah
[8:16 PM] mastersuperfan: okay that's good
[8:16 PM] Olimar12345: so we don't lose a vote
[8:17 PM] Olimar12345: 5 players, at least one wolf that has two votes.
[8:17 PM] Olimar12345: and possibly two humans with no votes
[8:18 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Here are my thoughts: I believe Tras is the one we should vote for today. I believe it was Noc & Tras all along
[8:18 PM] Olimar12345: if both human targets are alive, we cannot win the lynch
[8:18 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Even if there's just one wolf?
[8:19 PM] E. Gadd Industries: And besides, if the Host guarded someone targeted by Inactivity, the vote loss is null
[8:19 PM] mastersuperfan: that's an if
[8:19 PM] E. Gadd Industries: ^yes
[8:19 PM] Olimar12345: think about it: if two wolf targets are alive then there are two living players that will have no say in the lynch
[8:20 PM] Olimar12345: meaning that 3 votes will count today
[8:20 PM] Olimar12345: if one is inactivity then they will count for 2
[8:20 PM] Olimar12345: 2.01*
[8:20 PM] Olimar12345: 2.01>2
[8:21 PM] Olimar12345: so hopefully noc was a past target :c
[8:21 PM] Golden Silver: geez, this game is unbalanced
[8:21 PM] Michael: Game is balanced
[8:22 PM] Olimar12345: also @E. Gadd Industries I doubt that they'd target you but eh maybe they tried when I posted to not guard you.
[8:22 PM] Olimar12345: (did I already ask if failed wolfings are made public?)
[8:22 PM] Olimar12345: I can't keep track of all this
[8:22 PM] Golden Silver: They aren't.
[8:25 PM] Olimar12345: @diechael the dead cannot talk
[8:25 PM] Olimar12345: go be dead somewhere else
[8:26 PM] diechael: Yeah I need to make a second account
[8:26 PM] Olimar12345: (its not like you had plenty of time to talk while you were among the living)
[8:26 PM] mastersuperfan: "diechael" omfg
[8:26 PM] Golden Silver: nyeheheh
[8:26 PM] diechael: Was brainys idea I believe
[8:26 PM] E. Gadd Industries: XDDD 10/10
[8:27 PM] Olimar12345: pls move to general you're getting blood all over this chatlog
[8:27 PM] mastersuperfan: lol
[8:27 PM] E. Gadd Industries: So here's why I think it's Tras:
[8:28 PM] diechael: There's actually a deadchat
[8:28 PM] mastersuperfan: oh by the way in the case that Tras dies we need the change the name to Trasdeadi
[8:28 PM] mastersuperfan: or Trasdedi
[8:28 PM] diechael: Trasdeadguy
[8:28 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Noc was pointing fingers at him since N1, which leads me to believe that he knew no one would believe him so he figured it would be safe to do so
[8:29 PM] mastersuperfan: this might be your "tinfoil hat" that Noc was talking about
[8:29 PM] E. Gadd Industries: And plus he "stumbled" upon Dudeman's insta (granted, it wasn't an insta, but either way that points to wolfiness)
[8:29 PM] mastersuperfan: if I understand what Noc meant by that, that is
[8:29 PM] Olimar12345: The only thing that turned my head was his vote on dudeman
[8:29 PM] mastersuperfan: it's kind of a convoluted setup that you think is going on here
[8:29 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Because if he was a wolf he would know that it wouldn't be an insta
[8:29 PM] mastersuperfan: and yeah ^^ what Oli said
[8:30 PM] E. Gadd Industries: And plus, I believe msf is Town & BDS is the Host
[8:30 PM] E. Gadd Industries: So that leaves Olimar & Tras
[8:30 PM] Olimar12345: ...why would you reveal the host...?
[8:31 PM] Golden Silver: i mean
[8:31 PM] mastersuperfan: oh, he just claimed anyways
[8:31 PM] Golden Silver: it doesn't hurt us at this point
[8:31 PM] Olimar12345: well I guess it doesn't matter too much anymore
[8:31 PM] Olimar12345: ninjad
[8:32 PM] Golden Silver: All our information is on the table.
[8:33 PM] Olimar12345: well I'm not sure how much we can trust BDS's claim, since we have several players dead, but if it's legit, then that leaves me trasdegi and msf.
[8:34 PM] mastersuperfan: did E. Gadd reveal previously that the host had claimed to him? I know he did to me privately
[8:34 PM] mastersuperfan: because if so then a counterclaimed would've happened if BDS wasn't legit (and if not, then a counterclaim would probably happen now)
[8:34 PM] Olimar12345: when did BDS claim to you, @E. Gadd Industries ?
kappa1
[8:34 PM] mastersuperfan: a counterclaim*
[8:34 PM] Golden Silver: The first day.
kappa1
[8:35 PM] Olimar12345: @diechael what is this now
[8:35 PM] mastersuperfan: kappa
[8:35 PM] diechael: Kappas for sarcasm
[8:35 PM] diechael: Lighten the mood
[8:35 PM] diechael: Keep it fun
[8:35 PM] mastersuperfan: lol
[8:35 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Can confirm, BDS claimed D1
[8:35 PM] Golden Silver: i kept laughing when people said "host should claim to egadd" because i was like "i'm way ahead of you"
[8:35 PM] Golden Silver: "way, way ahead of you"
kappa1
[8:35 PM] mastersuperfan: lol
[8:36 PM] E. Gadd Industries: XD
[8:38 PM] Olimar12345: huh. I'm still skeptical tbh. I'm not sure how we could really prove that since it was announced in the topic to not claim to egadd
[8:39 PM] mastersuperfan: I think if BDS wasn't the host then it would have been too risky to fake claim to E. Gadd D1
[8:39 PM] E. Gadd Industries: I mean, he still did it XD
Also true^
[8:39 PM] Golden Silver: I didn't claim to him the moment he claimed; I waited until he actually vigi'd somebody.
Sidon1
[8:39 PM] Olimar12345: but there is that @mastersuperfan
[8:40 PM] Olimar12345: @Golden Silver so you waited until the first day phase?
[8:40 PM] Golden Silver: The only time I saw "host don't claim to e. gadd" was when his claim was unconfirmed.
[8:40 PM] Golden Silver: Yes, that's what I said. Day 1.
[8:41 PM] Olimar12345: sry, I though you meant that as a thing for "asap"
[8:41 PM] Olimar12345: so after the first night phase
[8:41 PM] Olimar12345: covering my bases here, but what if brainy was the host
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: and never counterclaimed
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: and bds is a wolf
[8:42 PM] Golden Silver: That's incredibly unlikely. Just saying.
[8:42 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Then why am I still alive?
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: hypothetically speaking here
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: because not killing you would be the perfect way to make you think he was the host?
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: idk
[8:43 PM] Golden Silver: Yeah, if I was a wolf, I could have killed E. Gadd without anybody even knowing that I claimed.
[8:43 PM] Olimar12345: yeah that's pretty far fetched
[8:43 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Eh, it's plausible, but so unlikely that I wouldn't consider it
[8:43 PM] Olimar12345: so it seems more likely that you would be the host, @Golden Silver
[8:46 PM] Olimar12345: so we for sure have our human vote spared. The possibility that we have at least one wolf out of the game is pretty good (3/8) .
[8:46 PM] Olimar12345: so, lets say that inactivity is the last wolf, since we have had no wolfing deaths yet
[8:47 PM] Olimar12345: if they used their ability twice, they have 2.01 vote count
mudkip_thinking1
[8:47 PM] Olimar12345: best case scenario is that we have 2.01 - 4, W-H
[8:48 PM] Olimar12345: this assumes that both wolf targets died (brainy, noc or dudeman)
[8:48 PM] E. Gadd Industries: And we have wiggle room to have one still alive
[8:49 PM] Olimar12345: if one target is alive, that leaves it as 2.01 - 3, W-H
[8:49 PM] Olimar12345: and if both are alive, 2.01 - 2 W-H
[8:49 PM] Olimar12345: so there's a 2/3 chance that we still have the majority
kappa1
[8:49 PM] Olimar12345: good odds
[8:49 PM] Olimar12345: we have two solid human candidates, BDS and Egadd
[8:50 PM] Olimar12345: leaving me tras and msf
[8:50 PM] Olimar12345: so theres a 2/3 chance that if we pick the right target, we'll win.
[8:50 PM] Olimar12345: OH WAIT
[8:51 PM] E. Gadd Industries: ?
[8:51 PM] Olimar12345: if we need to: we can bring one person back before the vote happens
[8:51 PM] Olimar12345: but that could be risky
[8:51 PM] E. Gadd Industries: That's true, but we only have 2 candidates & what if one of them was a wolf?
[8:51 PM] mastersuperfan: in case we revive the wolf, huh
[8:51 PM] Olimar12345: eh actually, our odds for the majority are good rn
kappa1
[8:52 PM] E. Gadd Industries: We just NEEEEEED to make sure we all vote on one person
[8:52 PM] Olimar12345: that's something I'm just going to keep forgetting we can do though (revive).
[8:52 PM] Olimar12345: @E. Gadd Industries yes
[8:53 PM] Olimar12345: we have to all vote for the same person for this to work
[8:53 PM] Olimar12345: although, we also have to choose really wisely
[8:54 PM] Olimar12345: as for me, I'm going to bed. I probably won't be online again until tomorrow afternoon because of work, so be thinking
thonk1
[8:54 PM] Olimar12345: and talking
[8:54 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Well, it wouldn't be me or BDS, and a lot of people read msf as human. So I'd say that's safe
[8:55 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Which leaves Olimar & Tras. I've already stated my case there
[8:58 PM] Olimar12345: I'll just reiterate that Tras' only suspicious thing imo was the vote, but it's better than nothing I suppose.
[8:58 PM] Olimar12345: and that was more just weird imo.
[8:59 PM] Olimar12345: but I'll go post the log and call it a night.
[8:59 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Alrighty
[close]
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 24, 2017, 02:45:13 PM
Ummmm... we don't have much more time to vote for this phase...
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 24, 2017, 05:58:47 PM
Trasdegi

You're supposed to be the one to put the first vote, E. Gadd. :<

Of note, Trasdegi, if you're a human, it's still in your best interest to vote for yourself, because we can just vigi someone else during the night. If you don't vote for yourself, then there's a chance that E. Gadd could be lynched, and that's not good.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 24, 2017, 06:06:30 PM
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on August 24, 2017, 05:58:47 PMYou're supposed to be the one to put the first vote, E. Gadd. :<
Oh. RIP oops...

Trasdegi
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 24, 2017, 06:17:47 PM
Trasdegi.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 24, 2017, 06:43:31 PM
Trasdegi duh
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 24, 2017, 11:05:10 PM
Trasdegi seems wolfy to me, so I vote for him
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 25, 2017, 01:13:29 AM
TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG

There's no seering in this game, so colors are just for convenience.

Wolves
1. Breaking the rules - Can wolf a player during the night phase. If he wolves a player, Inactivity cannot use its power during the same night phase.
2. Inactivity - Cannot wolf. Each night phase can target one player, except himself or Breaking the rules. That player loses his vote. If Inactivity uses its power, Breaking the rules cannot wolf during the same night phase. During the day phase, Inactivity can opt to have its voting power changed based on the amount of times it succesfully caused a player to lose its vote:
        0 times: vote counts for 1
        1 time: vote counts for 1,01
        2 times: vote counts for 2,01
        3 times or more: Any vote he casts immediately causes an insta on the player Inactivity voted for, and other players' votes can't cause insta's.

Humans:
3. TWC Member - Known for his abuse of power frivolousness, he can ban (=vigi) one player each night phase. Additionally, during any phase, but one time only, he can post the name of a player that was vigi'd followed by 'that ban was just a joke, also, frivolous.' to revive that player at the end of the phase.
4. Host - In an attempt to keep his game alive he can convince a player to keep playing (=guard) each night phase. This protects them from both Inactivity and Breaking the rules. Cannot guard self. Each time he guards a player that was also guarded the night phase before, a random human other than the host and the guarded player loses his vote, because the game is no fun if the host has favorites. This loss of votes doesn't count towards Inactivity's voting power, unless Inactivity targets the same player at any point in the game.
5. Player
6. Player
7. Player
8. Player

Role PM's
Breaking the rules
You are Breaking the rules. I mean, you have the role Breaking the rules. If I catch you breaking the rules, you will be kicked out of the game, even though you are Breaking the rules.

NAME is Inactivity.
[close]
Inactivity
You are Inactivity. That is not an excuse to be inactive.

NAME is Breaking the rules, well, I mean, that's his role, not his current activity.
[close]
TWC Member
You are the TWC Member. It is your duty to provide a structural base for the subforum, to make sure things don't get out of hand and to govern the subforum with knowledge and experience. Or you can just go trigger happy and ban everyone.

Frivolous.
[close]
Host
You are the host. Wait, no, I am the host. You just have the role Host. You can convince people to keep playing, but try to not have favourites, that might backfire.
[close]
Player
You are a Player. You should really stop having all those one-night stands, though.
[close]
[close]



1. Olimar12345
2. BlackDragonSlayer
3. NocturneOfShadow
4. E. Gadd Industries
5. Dudeman
6. BrainyLucario
7. Trasdegi
8. mastersuperfan



Insta! Day 2 is over. Trasdegi was lynched after Olimar's vote. It's now night 3. Night 3 ends August 26th 1:00AM PST, 2:00AM MST, 3:00AM CST, 4:00AM EST, 10:00AM CET. That's 24 hours from now.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 25, 2017, 05:10:09 AM
SHIT SHIT GUYS WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO LOSING/WINING. One wolf is left. The fact that Trasdegi was lynched before their own vote means that inactivity is definitely our last wolf, since it's statistically more plossible that inactivity would have been on the wining side of the lynch, causing an insta before the final vote was cast.

This is actually a blessing in disguise, since we can kill them TONIGHT and they cannot win until the next phase. However, if we do not vigi the correct player now, the wolf will gain insta voting powers and will kill egadd tomorrow. With that said, it is in everyone's best interest to VIGI MSF.

Here are some flashbacks of things MSF has done that in hind site might look different:

The chatlog between him and Noc (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9571.msg383486#msg383486) that started the Noc lynch bandwagon was started by him asking Noc if they knew who the host was. Inquiring about the host at that time was not something that a human needed to know, as I described in my posts well before that:

http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9571.msg383228#msg383228

http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9571.msg383231#msg383231

http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9571.msg383234#msg383234

Etc. (basically only wolves would have a reason to learn who the host was so that they could kill them)

My humanity should be pretty clear by the way I've been approaching various situations in the game. Let's take this for example: Rather than just go with the flow when claims were being sent around, I verbally posted about my concern and displayed the odds for other possibilities so that it could be clear for the public to see (if it wasn't already). Here are a couple examples:

Egadd:

Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 08:36:25 AM...I believe that Egadd is basically confirmed as the TWC at this point. If our actual host says that activity has been good then we can use that to say that all of our special roles played last night. This means that there was one wolf activity and two special human abilities (guard and vigi) used. Egadd claimed twc and vigi'd someone (brainy) and the host guarded someone (most likely egadd, but def. not brainy). Since brainy was the only death, this means one of a few things happened...

BDS:

Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 23, 2017, 07:01:47 PMRan the odds in the chat earlier and not only does it check out with them, it's more plausible. Log:
Spoiler
...
[8:33 PM] Olimar12345: well I'm not sure how much we can trust BDS's claim, since we have several players dead, but if it's legit, then that leaves me trasdegi and msf.
[8:34 PM] mastersuperfan: did E. Gadd reveal previously that the host had claimed to him? I know he did to me privately
[8:34 PM] mastersuperfan: because if so then a counterclaimed would've happened if BDS wasn't legit (and if not, then a counterclaim would probably happen now)
[8:34 PM] Olimar12345: when did BDS claim to you, @E. Gadd Industries ?
kappa1
[8:34 PM] mastersuperfan: a counterclaim*
[8:34 PM] Golden Silver: The first day.
kappa1
[8:35 PM] Olimar12345: @diechael what is this now
[8:35 PM] mastersuperfan: kappa
[8:35 PM] diechael: Kappas for sarcasm
[8:35 PM] diechael: Lighten the mood
[8:35 PM] diechael: Keep it fun
[8:35 PM] mastersuperfan: lol
[8:35 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Can confirm, BDS claimed D1
[8:35 PM] Golden Silver: i kept laughing when people said "host should claim to egadd" because i was like "i'm way ahead of you"
[8:35 PM] Golden Silver: "way, way ahead of you"
kappa1
[8:35 PM] mastersuperfan: lol
[8:36 PM] E. Gadd Industries: XD
[8:38 PM] Olimar12345: huh. I'm still skeptical tbh. I'm not sure how we could really prove that since it was announced in the topic to not claim to egadd
[8:39 PM] mastersuperfan: I think if BDS wasn't the host then it would have been too risky to fake claim to E. Gadd D1
[8:39 PM] E. Gadd Industries: I mean, he still did it XD
Also true^
[8:39 PM] Golden Silver: I didn't claim to him the moment he claimed; I waited until he actually vigi'd somebody.
Sidon1
[8:39 PM] Olimar12345: but there is that @mastersuperfan
[8:40 PM] Olimar12345: @Golden Silver so you waited until the first day phase?
[8:40 PM] Golden Silver: The only time I saw "host don't claim to e. gadd" was when his claim was unconfirmed.
[8:40 PM] Golden Silver: Yes, that's what I said. Day 1.
[8:41 PM] Olimar12345: sry, I though you meant that as a thing for "asap"
[8:41 PM] Olimar12345: so after the first night phase
[8:41 PM] Olimar12345: covering my bases here, but what if brainy was the host
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: and never counterclaimed
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: and bds is a wolf
[8:42 PM] Golden Silver: That's incredibly unlikely. Just saying.
[8:42 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Then why am I still alive?
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: hypothetically speaking here
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: because not killing you would be the perfect way to make you think he was the host?
[8:42 PM] Olimar12345: idk
[8:43 PM] Golden Silver: Yeah, if I was a wolf, I could have killed E. Gadd without anybody even knowing that I claimed.
[8:43 PM] Olimar12345: yeah that's pretty far fetched
[8:43 PM] E. Gadd Industries: Eh, it's plausible, but so unlikely that I wouldn't consider it
[8:43 PM] Olimar12345: so it seems more likely that you would be the host, @Golden Silver
...
[close]

Also, it's still very likely that I was one of the players who was targeted and lost a vote on night 1. If you'll recall, the Noc-DM vote ended in a dudeman lynch but not an insta (even with the insta number of voters present), indicating that either Noc, myself, egadd, or trasdegi lost a vote. It should be apparent that I was not a wolf trying to intentionally get on the safe side of the vote, since I was the first person to vote dudeman. (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9571.msg383419#msg383419) My vote was only ever changed (temporarily removed) to prevent an accidental insta, should a better lynch candidate have surfaced. MSF did not end up casting a vote during this phase, so if you like numbers, I literally have a 1/4th chance of statistically being a wolf target while msf does not.

Also, if you'll go back and reread the day one lynch, you'll notice that msf was actually on the opposite side of the vote loss target. In fact, the smoke-and-mirrors lynch against Noc (that msf started) was just one vote away from an insta until I mentioned it publicly, in which he removed his vote entirely (the whole situation looked like a wolf setup in a sense).

Like I've said before, there isn't too much to go on for much of us here, but from what little we have it should be obvious that msf is the way to go here for our vigi. Think hard about this egadd, don't let simple private chats/personal reasons cloud good judgement.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 25, 2017, 05:19:02 AM
Oh wait, duh, my vote was not lost-the lynch ended with my vote. This means that egadd (with the same possibilities as me I just realized) was inactivity-targeted, as well as possibly BDS. That or inactivity did not use their extra voting ability intentionally, since it would not be needed after we agreed on a target that wasn't them.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 25, 2017, 08:37:52 AM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 25, 2017, 05:10:09 AMThe chatlog between him and Noc (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9571.msg383486#msg383486) that started the Noc lynch bandwagon was started by him asking Noc if they knew who the host was. Inquiring about the host at that time was not something that a human needed to know, as I described in my posts well before that:

Etc. (basically only wolves would have a reason to learn who the host was so that they could kill them)

I had no interest in knowing who the host was, nor did I ask Noc that. I wanted to see whether or not I could catch him out lying--and I did, which led me to believe that he was a wolf because a human would not have a good reason to lie like that. Asking if Noc knew who the host was but not about the host's identity would give me no benefit as a wolf--unless you mean to say that this was all a scheme to get an incriminating chatlog for me to start this whole "smoke-and-mirrors lynch," but there was absolutely no way I could have predicted that Noc would have acted like that, especially if I was a wolf and knew he wasn't a wolf. In short, a wolf would have no reason to act like I did towards Noc.

Secondly, I'll reiterate this part of the chatlog:

Quote[9:03 PM] Olimar12345: And not to rustle everyone's jimmies, but why is msf generally accepted as cleared? I know it's not much of an argument, but from my perspective the wolf is either MSF or tras (or both if we're incredibly unlucky). BDS and egadd were cleared already due to circumstantial odds being in their favor, so msf is (or should be) in the same boat as me and tras. I've yet to play a game with msf so the lack of seeing how he plays worries me.
[9:04 PM] Olimar12345: It's weird because I don't really have suspicions for either, but with the other two confirmed, from my pov it's one of them.
[9:04 PM] Golden Silver: A lot of his early actions seem human, including one that you pointed out about the fact that the vote cancelling wolf can choose to activate their increased vote or not.
[9:05 PM] Golden Silver: Something that would be in the absolute best interest of a wolf to NOT bring up.
[9:05 PM] Golden Silver: So they can trick the humans into causing a massive KitB.

Not that I can say for sure because I'm not in the shoes of the wolf, but I imagine that if I were I might've easily been able to have this game the bag already had I not pointed this out. This is also something that Olimar did not point out in his first posts about Inactivity's strategy, and he claimed not to have noticed it after I pointed it out--indicative of the possibility that he was the one trying to trip the humans up here.

As I must, I will lastly state: vigi Olimar. He is the remaining wolf.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 25, 2017, 09:07:49 AM
Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 25, 2017, 08:37:52 AMI had no interest in knowing who the host was, nor did I ask Noc that. I wanted to see whether or not I could catch him out lying--and I did, which led me to believe that he was a wolf because a human would not have a good reason to lie like that. Asking if Noc knew who the host was but not about the host's identity would give me no benefit as a wolf--unless you mean to say that this was all a scheme to get an incriminating chatlog for me to start this whole "smoke-and-mirrors lynch," but there was absolutely no way I could have predicted that Noc would have acted like that, especially if I was a wolf and knew he wasn't a wolf. In short, a wolf would have no reason to act like I did towards Noc.

I find this hard to believe. You're trying to tell me that you were trying to see if you could catch Noc, the guy who's first post in the game was a lie, (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9571.msg383166#msg383166) was lying? Even if you didn't know that at the time of noc posting that, it should have been WELL known by the first day phase, especially after many more posts by him in the same style that frustrated you and dudeman.

Secondly, noc had a really good reason to lie to you and it was the same as yours (only better because you weren't playing as risky as noc was). Your interest of his knowledge of the host's identity would be a suspicious thing to inquire about in the first place, since like I already mentioned, humans had no good reason to know that. How could noc, or ANY sane human player resist a conversation like that out of the blue. In his shoes it was an opportunity to catch you slipping up.

Thirdly, how could you have not predicted that noc would have acted similar to that after how he had acted prior to that? Even if you hadn't played with him before, he made his playstyle apparent since night one.

Quote from: mastersuperfan on August 25, 2017, 08:37:52 AMSecondly, I'll reiterate this part of the chatlog:

Not that I can say for sure because I'm not in the shoes of the wolf, but I imagine that if I were I might've easily been able to have this game the bag already had I not pointed this out. This is also something that Olimar did not point out in his first posts about Inactivity's strategy, and he claimed not to have noticed it after I pointed it out--indicative of the possibility that he was the one trying to trip the humans up here.

Sure you could interpret that as such, but like I said previously: those kinds of arguments can go both ways. He could have easily pointed that out, playing either extremely well (knowing that saying something like that would be interpreted as a "human" thing to post) or playing poorly (accidentally saying it because of more familiarity with his own role).

MSF is our remaining wolf. Do not be fooled.


Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 25, 2017, 11:18:12 AM
Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 25, 2017, 05:10:09 AMThe chatlog between him and Noc (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9571.msg383486#msg383486) that started the Noc lynch bandwagon was started by him asking Noc if they knew who the host was. Inquiring about the host at that time was not something that a human needed to know
I don't see that as "inquiring about the host," but rather, ascertaining whether or not Noc was lying... which he was. E. Gadd even called him (Noc) out for the same thing. That chatlog doesn't seem like he's trying to find out the host's identity at all, but rather, like I said, to try and squeeze (or rather, glean, I should say) as much information out of Noc (about Noc) as possible. Considering I pretty much did the same thing (except slightly less drastic, as I was trying to hide my identity as much as possible), I saw no fault in what MSF did at all, and still see no fault.

QuoteIn fact, the smoke-and-mirrors lynch against Noc (that msf started) was just one vote away from an insta until I mentioned it publicly, in which he removed his vote entirely (the whole situation looked like a wolf setup in a sense).
i'm about 99% sure the noc lynch was in motion loooooong before msf voted for noc
like
literally the moment he falseclaimed was when i wanted to lynch him

If you want to be specific, Dudeman was the person to place the first vote on Noc, and I was probably the first person to want to lynch Noc, being the guardian and all, and seeing Noc falseclaim. I'm not sure what MSF has to do with either of those factors, so it seems like a bit of a stretch, to say the least.



Also, I'm starting to think that either Brainy was the wolfing wolf (and was killed) or that one of the wolf kills was blocked (which would have to be the one on E. Gadd, though it doesn't make as much sense why they'd go for him when he was so likely to be guarded; I'm guessing the logic would be "the guardian is totally going to try and fake us out and only guard him next phase" or something like that?).
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 25, 2017, 03:14:37 PM
Guise, I have confession. Am wolf all along. Rawr. :P

In all seriousness, though, the PM was sent, and it's not changing now.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 25, 2017, 03:26:27 PM
Welp for the sake of our victory, I hope you know what you're doing.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 25, 2017, 04:08:53 PM
In b4 somehow you're all wolves
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 25, 2017, 04:10:29 PM
Dangit, you found me
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: BlackDragonSlayer on August 25, 2017, 08:42:27 PM
Welp, we can only wait and hope.
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: davy on August 26, 2017, 01:11:51 AM
TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG

There's no seering in this game, so colors are just for convenience.

Wolves
1. Breaking the rules - Can wolf a player during the night phase. If he wolves a player, Inactivity cannot use its power during the same night phase.
2. Inactivity - Cannot wolf. Each night phase can target one player, except himself or Breaking the rules. That player loses his vote. If Inactivity uses its power, Breaking the rules cannot wolf during the same night phase. During the day phase, Inactivity can opt to have its voting power changed based on the amount of times it succesfully caused a player to lose its vote:
        0 times: vote counts for 1
        1 time: vote counts for 1,01
        2 times: vote counts for 2,01
        3 times or more: Any vote he casts immediately causes an insta on the player Inactivity voted for, and other players' votes can't cause insta's.

Humans:
3. TWC Member - Known for his abuse of power frivolousness, he can ban (=vigi) one player each night phase. Additionally, during any phase, but one time only, he can post the name of a player that was vigi'd followed by 'that ban was just a joke, also, frivolous.' to revive that player at the end of the phase.
4. Host - In an attempt to keep his game alive he can convince a player to keep playing (=guard) each night phase. This protects them from both Inactivity and Breaking the rules. Cannot guard self. Each time he guards a player that was also guarded the night phase before, a random human other than the host and the guarded player loses his vote, because the game is no fun if the host has favorites. This loss of votes doesn't count towards Inactivity's voting power, unless Inactivity targets the same player at any point in the game.
5. Player
6. Player
7. Player
8. Player

Role PM's
Breaking the rules
You are Breaking the rules. I mean, you have the role Breaking the rules. If I catch you breaking the rules, you will be kicked out of the game, even though you are Breaking the rules.

NAME is Inactivity.
[close]
Inactivity
You are Inactivity. That is not an excuse to be inactive.

NAME is Breaking the rules, well, I mean, that's his role, not his current activity.
[close]
TWC Member
You are the TWC Member. It is your duty to provide a structural base for the subforum, to make sure things don't get out of hand and to govern the subforum with knowledge and experience. Or you can just go trigger happy and ban everyone.

Frivolous.
[close]
Host
You are the host. Wait, no, I am the host. You just have the role Host. You can convince people to keep playing, but try to not have favourites, that might backfire.
[close]
Player
You are a Player. You should really stop having all those one-night stands, though.
[close]
[close]



1. Olimar12345
2. BlackDragonSlayer
3. NocturneOfShadow
4. E. Gadd Industries
5. Dudeman
6. BrainyLucario
7. Trasdegi
8. mastersuperfan



Night 3 is over. Olimar was banned by the TWC.


TWG wasn't killed that means humans win
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: Trasdegi on August 26, 2017, 02:07:58 AM
Yeah! We won!
Title: Re: TWG XCIV: How to Kill TWG
Post by: mikey on August 26, 2017, 06:43:29 AM
tras avatar very fitting here