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you know the drill.

Lay down some ideas, complain about the contests (or at me), ask questions about the contest , Yada Yada Yada.

Theme:

Weird Sig!

Possible Participants:

• ThatHiddenCharacter
• Dekkadeci
• Bloop
• WaluigiTime
• Static

Possible Judges

• E. Gadd
• mastersuperfan
• AmpharosAndy

Quote from: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 02:34:07 PMyou know the drill.

I don't know the drill, but I would love to learn said drill.

This is the topic that helps us decide what the next contest's theme will be. It also allows us to get an idea of when the contest will start, and how many people will participate. I'll go ahead and say in for hosting

garage band theme

take a piece and turn it into a typical garage band instrumentation

I'll compete. I don't care what the theme is, mostly because I can't think of one.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on August 19, 2017, 02:58:34 PMgarage band theme

take a piece and turn it into a typical garage band instrumentation

So like a guitar a bass a keyboard and a drum set right?

yes

In for competing again.

I'd be down for judging.

I guess tentatively in for judging

Here's an idea.

You're only allowed one motif from one melody. Then you have to develop it yourself

that sounds pretty cool

so like "rewrite" an existing piece?

could you elaborate on that


another idea: quad city DJ remixes

What about something like this:

Each member is given the name of a game and/or a famous VGM composer and has to rewrite a piece in that particular game/composer's style. Scoring would take into account how well the arranger recreates the game/composer's style.

What about doing a collab thing (if we get enough people)?

It was mentioned last time; I don't remember how much steam it gained.

Quote from: InsigTurtle on August 19, 2017, 06:02:59 PMHere's an idea.

You're only allowed one motif from one melody. Then you have to develop it yourself

How long can that motif be? For example, can we get away with the entire major-key section of "Gourmet Race", or are we restricted to motifs that are the length of its introduction or shorter? ...Or are we allowed something in between (such as the first 4 bars of "Gourmet Race"'s major-key section, but nothing longer)?

Quote from: Yug_Guy on August 19, 2017, 06:45:35 PMWhat about something like this:

Each member is given the name of a game and/or a famous VGM composer and has to rewrite a piece in that particular game/composer's style. Scoring would take into account how well the arranger recreates the game/composer's style.

Would it be easier to pick the name of a VGM theme and have everyone rewrite their piece in that theme's style? I've heard pieces in pretty disparate styles from VGM composers such as Nobuo Uematsu, Jake Kaufman, and the Jun Ishikawa-Hirokazu Ando pairing.

...Or, if a game/composer has that many disparate styles, can we just pick one of their themes and rewrite in that theme's style?

Let me update the OP with the ideas and participants.

I suppose there's always the immortal Jazz-Style Arrangement contest idea (which we also put in last time's poll).

Using http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/776 as the example

I'd say for the opening section, the motif is m.3-6, and for the major key section, it's m.35-36 that's the motif, which is subsequently developed. Point is to start with a small video game based fragment and to develop it into something unique, just like how Beethoven's 5th symphony grows out of the opening short-short-short-long motif.

I'll participate again too

I'm not really too fond of an "in the style of [composer]/[game]" theme. I think it restricts someone too much artistic freedom, because you have to think about "What would they write?" instead of "What would I write?"
Also (I'm speaking for myself here), in the case of a composer's style, I don't know much composers and even less their styles. A composer's style could be pretty arbitrary anyway, like Dekkadeci said.

Quote from: Dekkadeci on August 19, 2017, 10:32:32 PMI suppose there's always the immortal Jazz-Style Arrangement contest idea (which we also put in last time's poll).

I support this notion wholeheartedly

An idea on collaborating in teams: what if everyone was paired up and one person had to come up with the arrangement idea but couldn't write any of it and the other person had to try to write out what the other person meant. I think that'd be pretty fun and would produce some crazy results lol.

So person 1 would be like
"Okay, let's make a stride piano out of 'Mario Circuit' (MKWii)" (for a random example)
And then person two would do that?
Or would person 1 only pick the style or game?

Or charades with an arrangement

Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 08:49:56 AMSo person 1 would be like
"Okay, let's make a stride piano out of 'Mario Circuit' (MKWii)" (for a random example)
And then person two would do that?
Or would person 1 only pick the style or game?

Something like that, yeah. They both can agree on the song, but ultimately one player isn't allowed to physically make changes and has to communicate them to the other.

I believe that would be a fun challenge, however being that this challenge relies heavily on communication, we'd have to extend the time limit a bit/lot more than we normally would

EDIT: Also, I propose that this round we offer motivation for getting entries in sooner, such as two deadlines, the earlier of which gets you bonus points or something in the scoring

In with the intention to drop sooner than last time

I fully agree with bloop here on those ideas ftr

I like the idea E. Gadd, we'll probably discuss this further in our judges/host chat when the contest gets further underway. Also glad to see the commitment Noc

Quote from: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 09:47:34 AMbut ultimately one player isn't allowed to physically make changes

Doesn't that kinda take out the fun of the arranging contest? I think it could lead to situations where the arranging-deprived person is unsatisfied with the end result.

The point is to have the other player make the changes for you

I mean it's not a great idea, it's just an idea.

Quote from: Bloop on August 20, 2017, 10:51:23 AMDoesn't that kinda take out the fun of the arranging contest? I think it could lead to situations where the arranging-deprived person is unsatisfied with the end result.

I think the best solution for that version of Olimar12345's idea is for both members of each pair to send ideas to their partner and their partner to make the arrangement.

For example, this would be valid:
Wah and Levi are paired.
Wah assigns the idea "Waltz version of at least two Mega Man themes" to Levi.
Levi assigns the idea "Fugue on the Heavy Lobster theme" to Wah.
Wah has to make a remix that fits Levi's idea.
Levi has to make a remix that fits Wah's idea.

This wouldn't:
Dekka and Latios212 are paired.
Dekka assigns the idea "Credits version of 'To Zanarkand'" to Latios212.
Latios212 doesn't assign an idea to anyone but has to make a remix that fits Dekka's idea.

How would we score that, then? Would we allow the partner to score the other's work in addition to the judges & each person has their own separate score? Or...?

Honestly, it doesn't sound very doable.

I'll start a poll tommorrow or so, just to get things rolling a bit

Throwing another idea out there: rewriting in weird time sigs

Quote from: mastersuperfan on September 01, 2017, 11:39:23 AMThrowing another idea out there: rewriting in weird time sigs

Ooh, like taking 4/4 songs and making a jazz version in 5/4! I just learned what it's called, but I forget.

I can get into that ;D

Yeah, let's put that into the contest poll!

(Lord knows how many versions of King Dedede's theme I've improvised at some point, though. There are boring 4/4 and 3/4 versions, there's the swing version that sounds like it's in 6/8 time, there's the 5/4 one in the style of Meta Knight's theme, there's the 7/8 one in a 2+2+3 Santorini-like grouping, there's the 7/8 one in a 3+2+2 Marching Season-like grouping...(yeah, I like Yanni music and just referred to two of them...))

I'd be down for changing 4/4 songs into weird time signatures.

Quote from: WaluigiTime64 on September 01, 2017, 11:29:53 PMI'd be down for changing 4/4 songs into weird time signatures.

Yeah, I like this idea the best and to be honest, it's probably the only one I could even semisuccessfully pull off.

Gotcha. I'm adding it to the list.

Also adding a poll right now. Should help us and more members decide if they want to enter, judge, or ignore it completely!

Edit: you can chose up to two themes

I honestly think Weird Time sig & Jazzify it could be combined if it came down to it, seeing as they're the only 2 with any votes & they both have 3

EDIT: Well, they're no longer tied.

Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on September 02, 2017, 01:19:50 PMEDIT: Well, they're tied again.

Ftfy.

...oh
I guess we're doing time sigs

My only request is that if we do the jazz arrangement one could we like not use the words "jazzy" "jazz-ify" etc? It's the cringiest thing ever.

Shouldn't jazzify be a subcategory of weird time sig? Because one of the possible ways to switch to a different time sig is to make a jazz version of a song. So, I just feel that they should be the same thing on the poll.

I have a couple of questions about the "weird sig" idea:

Do uncommon divisions of a common time signature count? Constantly switching time signatures, common and/or uncommon? Would the goal be to make the time signature sound natural or intentionally jarring?

Quote from: InsigTurtle on September 02, 2017, 07:46:18 PMI have a couple of questions about the "weird sig" idea:

Do uncommon divisions of a common time signature count? Constantly switching time signatures, common and/or uncommon? Would the goal be to make the time signature sound natural or intentionally jarring?

I believe (unless I was horribly mistaken) that it would just be a different time sig than the original song.

Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 02, 2017, 07:17:00 PMShouldn't jazzify be a subcategory of weird time sig? Because one of the possible ways to switch to a different time sig is to make a jazz version of a song. So, I just feel that they should be the same thing on the poll.

first of all, what did I just say. secondly, style and meter are two very different things.

Quote from: Olimar12345 on September 02, 2017, 07:59:24 PMfirst of all, what did I just say. secondly, style and meter are two very different things.

I didn't say they were the same thing. I said that one way to do one of them is to do the other. There are ways that don't involve doing both, many of them, but I just think that they should be in the same poll thing.

they imply different ways of arranging, so they should be separate

i could make a 4/4 song into a depressing 5/8 waltz and i wouldn't call it """""jazzified"""""

Quote from: WaluigiTime64 on September 02, 2017, 08:07:33 PMthey imply different ways of arranging, so they should be separate

i could make a 4/4 song into a depressing 5/8 waltz and i wouldn't call it """""jazzified"""""

Again, I said one, one way to change the time sig is to jazzify. I never said it was the only way. In fact, I even just said the opposite of that. That there are many ways to change the time sig. It's just one way, so I believe they should be put together. I don't care if he does put them together or not. It's just my opinion that they should be.

one way to change time sig is to """""jazzify""""" and one way to """""jazzify""""" is to change time sig but because they have so many things independent of each other they should be separate

Quote from: InsigTurtle on September 02, 2017, 07:46:18 PMI have a couple of questions about the "weird sig" idea:

Do uncommon divisions of a common time signature count? Constantly switching time signatures, common and/or uncommon? Would the goal be to make the time signature sound natural or intentionally jarring?

That would be something to be discussed amongst the judges before the scoring system is developed. I'd say it could be swung any way you're wanting, since the contests typically have a big degree of freedom. To me, personally, I would count both of those situations. As far as the last question goes, I can't say one way or another... but it's a good question!

EDIT: Also, for the record, ninja'd x2 X'D

Quote from: WaluigiTime64 on September 02, 2017, 08:17:26 PMone way to change time sig is to """""jazzify""""" and one way to """""jazzify""""" is to change time sig but because they have so many things independent of each other they should be separate

I think the real question here is, whichever one we end up doing, can we do the other as long as it also falls under the category of the one we are?

well yeah of course. no one can stop you from doing it

Quote from: WaluigiTime64 on September 02, 2017, 08:35:35 PMwell yeah of course. no one can stop you from doing it

NO ONE CAN STOP ME, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Oh dear, THC has gone power mad, ribbit.

The results are in! The theme for the next arrangement contest is.......

WEIRD SIG!

I'll do sum judgin if u need/want it.

Lock me in as a judge. I'm ahead enough in my classes that I should be able to spare the time to do this

So, any times you people want it to start? I'm good to host it anytime as of now.

oh right uh... maybe participating idk

Out

winter break. i'll have no time to sit down and compose until then, most likely

When that be?

In the winter


For me it's December 23rd - January 7th

Dec 21 to Jan 2 for me

I would also like to be a contestant again for one of these, but I probably won't have time to work on this until my winter break as well, which is December 20th to January 3rd.

So what about the period just after Christmas?

Hmm... I suppose that could work

Okie, who's still in for this (for both judging and participating)?

I'm still in for participating.

I only have a week before my classes start again so this comp better start soon :P

Any objections to starting on the 27th? (The judges need time to discuss deadlines and the like)
And
Uh...
I need to try and find out what happened to Brainy

I should be available just as it starts, so I'm in for now.

I think I'll participate this time.

Theme:

Weird Sig!

Possible Participants:
ThatHiddenCharacter
Dekkadeci
Bloop
WaluigiTime
Static
Olimar12345
InsigTurtle?
Yug_Guy
Braixen1264
Lkjhgfdsa_77
ShadowChords

Possible Judges
E. Gadd
mastersuperfan
AmpharosAndy
Naturematthe


Updated list!

Oh, I'll probably do this again.

I'd like to participate as well

Just a heads-up, this isn't the official sign up list. Once the official sign up window starts tomorrow, you'll have 10 days to sign up with a definite song choice. This is a notice for everyone.

Could you tell us the rules? I go back in a week so if I'm going to participate, I need to start now

Hmmmmm... I can get the thing set up now, and I'll just add a day to sign up (or maybe not, because it's pretty late). Gimme a bit and the rules and such will be up!