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Title: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 10:34:07 PM
you know the drill.

Lay down some ideas, complain about the contests (or at me), ask questions about the contest , Yada Yada Yada.

Theme:

Weird Sig!

Possible Participants:

Possible Judges
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on August 19, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
you know the drill.
I don't know the drill, but I would love to learn said drill.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 10:54:31 PM
This is the topic that helps us decide what the next contest's theme will be. It also allows us to get an idea of when the contest will start, and how many people will participate. I'll go ahead and say in for hosting
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 10:58:34 PM
garage band theme

take a piece and turn it into a typical garage band instrumentation
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on August 19, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
I'll compete. I don't care what the theme is, mostly because I can't think of one.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 19, 2017, 11:04:51 PM
garage band theme

take a piece and turn it into a typical garage band instrumentation
So like a guitar a bass a keyboard and a drum set right?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: mikey on August 19, 2017, 11:24:53 PM
yes
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Dekkadeci on August 19, 2017, 11:46:35 PM
In for competing again.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: mastersuperfan on August 19, 2017, 11:48:44 PM
I'd be down for judging.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 12:21:31 AM
I guess tentatively in for judging
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on August 20, 2017, 02:02:59 AM
Here's an idea.

You're only allowed one motif from one melody. Then you have to develop it yourself
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: WaluigiTime64 on August 20, 2017, 02:19:39 AM
that sounds pretty cool
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 02:26:24 AM
so like "rewrite" an existing piece?

could you elaborate on that


another idea: quad city DJ remixes
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Yug_Guy on August 20, 2017, 02:45:35 AM
What about something like this:

Each member is given the name of a game and/or a famous VGM composer and has to rewrite a piece in that particular game/composer's style. Scoring would take into account how well the arranger recreates the game/composer's style.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 04:30:13 AM
What about doing a collab thing (if we get enough people)?

It was mentioned last time; I don't remember how much steam it gained.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Dekkadeci on August 20, 2017, 05:52:25 AM
Here's an idea.

You're only allowed one motif from one melody. Then you have to develop it yourself
How long can that motif be? For example, can we get away with the entire major-key section of "Gourmet Race", or are we restricted to motifs that are the length of its introduction or shorter? ...Or are we allowed something in between (such as the first 4 bars of "Gourmet Race"'s major-key section, but nothing longer)?

What about something like this:

Each member is given the name of a game and/or a famous VGM composer and has to rewrite a piece in that particular game/composer's style. Scoring would take into account how well the arranger recreates the game/composer's style.
Would it be easier to pick the name of a VGM theme and have everyone rewrite their piece in that theme's style? I've heard pieces in pretty disparate styles from VGM composers such as Nobuo Uematsu, Jake Kaufman, and the Jun Ishikawa-Hirokazu Ando pairing.

...Or, if a game/composer has that many disparate styles, can we just pick one of their themes and rewrite in that theme's style?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 20, 2017, 05:56:09 AM
Let me update the OP with the ideas and participants.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Dekkadeci on August 20, 2017, 06:32:32 AM
I suppose there's always the immortal Jazz-Style Arrangement contest idea (which we also put in last time's poll).
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on August 20, 2017, 07:29:58 AM
Using http://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/776 as the example

I'd say for the opening section, the motif is m.3-6, and for the major key section, it's m.35-36 that's the motif, which is subsequently developed. Point is to start with a small video game based fragment and to develop it into something unique, just like how Beethoven's 5th symphony grows out of the opening short-short-short-long motif.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on August 20, 2017, 08:29:50 AM
I'll participate again too

I'm not really too fond of an "in the style of [composer]/[game]" theme. I think it restricts someone too much artistic freedom, because you have to think about "What would they write?" instead of "What would I write?"
Also (I'm speaking for myself here), in the case of a composer's style, I don't know much composers and even less their styles. A composer's style could be pretty arbitrary anyway, like Dekkadeci said.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 01:05:59 PM
I suppose there's always the immortal Jazz-Style Arrangement contest idea (which we also put in last time's poll).
I support this notion wholeheartedly
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
An idea on collaborating in teams: what if everyone was paired up and one person had to come up with the arrangement idea but couldn't write any of it and the other person had to try to write out what the other person meant. I think that'd be pretty fun and would produce some crazy results lol.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 04:49:56 PM
So person 1 would be like
"Okay, let's make a stride piano out of 'Mario Circuit' (MKWii)" (for a random example)
And then person two would do that?
Or would person 1 only pick the style or game?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 20, 2017, 05:23:34 PM
Or charades with an arrangement
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 05:47:34 PM
So person 1 would be like
"Okay, let's make a stride piano out of 'Mario Circuit' (MKWii)" (for a random example)
And then person two would do that?
Or would person 1 only pick the style or game?

Something like that, yeah. They both can agree on the song, but ultimately one player isn't allowed to physically make changes and has to communicate them to the other.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 06:33:43 PM
I believe that would be a fun challenge, however being that this challenge relies heavily on communication, we'd have to extend the time limit a bit/lot more than we normally would

EDIT: Also, I propose that this round we offer motivation for getting entries in sooner, such as two deadlines, the earlier of which gets you bonus points or something in the scoring
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: mikey on August 20, 2017, 06:36:25 PM
In with the intention to drop sooner than last time

I fully agree with bloop here on those ideas ftr
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 20, 2017, 06:42:14 PM
I like the idea E. Gadd, we'll probably discuss this further in our judges/host chat when the contest gets further underway. Also glad to see the commitment Noc
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on August 20, 2017, 06:51:23 PM
but ultimately one player isn't allowed to physically make changes
Doesn't that kinda take out the fun of the arranging contest? I think it could lead to situations where the arranging-deprived person is unsatisfied with the end result.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on August 20, 2017, 07:27:38 PM
The point is to have the other player make the changes for you

I mean it's not a great idea, it's just an idea.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Dekkadeci on August 20, 2017, 09:55:56 PM
Doesn't that kinda take out the fun of the arranging contest? I think it could lead to situations where the arranging-deprived person is unsatisfied with the end result.
I think the best solution for that version of Olimar12345's idea is for both members of each pair to send ideas to their partner and their partner to make the arrangement.

For example, this would be valid:
Wah and Levi are paired.
Wah assigns the idea "Waltz version of at least two Mega Man themes" to Levi.
Levi assigns the idea "Fugue on the Heavy Lobster theme" to Wah.
Wah has to make a remix that fits Levi's idea.
Levi has to make a remix that fits Wah's idea.

This wouldn't:
Dekka and Latios212 are paired.
Dekka assigns the idea "Credits version of 'To Zanarkand'" to Latios212.
Latios212 doesn't assign an idea to anyone but has to make a remix that fits Dekka's idea.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on August 20, 2017, 11:37:07 PM
How would we score that, then? Would we allow the partner to score the other's work in addition to the judges & each person has their own separate score? Or...?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on August 21, 2017, 01:45:03 AM
Honestly, it doesn't sound very doable.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on September 01, 2017, 05:51:02 PM
I'll start a poll tommorrow or so, just to get things rolling a bit
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: mastersuperfan on September 01, 2017, 07:39:23 PM
Throwing another idea out there: rewriting in weird time sigs
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 01, 2017, 07:55:03 PM
Throwing another idea out there: rewriting in weird time sigs
Ooh, like taking 4/4 songs and making a jazz version in 5/4! I just learned what it's called, but I forget.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on September 01, 2017, 09:36:28 PM
I can get into that ;D
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Dekkadeci on September 02, 2017, 05:55:09 AM
Yeah, let's put that into the contest poll!

(Lord knows how many versions of King Dedede's theme I've improvised at some point, though. There are boring 4/4 and 3/4 versions, there's the swing version that sounds like it's in 6/8 time, there's the 5/4 one in the style of Meta Knight's theme, there's the 7/8 one in a 2+2+3 Santorini-like grouping, there's the 7/8 one in a 3+2+2 Marching Season-like grouping...(yeah, I like Yanni music and just referred to two of them...))
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: WaluigiTime64 on September 02, 2017, 07:29:53 AM
I'd be down for changing 4/4 songs into weird time signatures.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 02, 2017, 07:41:30 AM
I'd be down for changing 4/4 songs into weird time signatures.
Yeah, I like this idea the best and to be honest, it's probably the only one I could even semisuccessfully pull off.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on September 02, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
Gotcha. I'm adding it to the list.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on September 02, 2017, 08:46:40 PM
Also adding a poll right now. Should help us and more members decide if they want to enter, judge, or ignore it completely!

Edit: you can chose up to two themes
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on September 02, 2017, 09:19:50 PM
I honestly think Weird Time sig & Jazzify it could be combined if it came down to it, seeing as they're the only 2 with any votes & they both have 3

EDIT: Well, they're no longer tied.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 02, 2017, 09:44:50 PM
EDIT: Well, they're tied again.
Ftfy.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: mikey on September 03, 2017, 01:49:55 AM
...oh
I guess we're doing time sigs
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 03, 2017, 02:57:41 AM
My only request is that if we do the jazz arrangement one could we like not use the words "jazzy" "jazz-ify" etc? It's the cringiest thing ever.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 03, 2017, 03:17:00 AM
Shouldn't jazzify be a subcategory of weird time sig? Because one of the possible ways to switch to a different time sig is to make a jazz version of a song. So, I just feel that they should be the same thing on the poll.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on September 03, 2017, 03:46:18 AM
I have a couple of questions about the "weird sig" idea:

Do uncommon divisions of a common time signature count? Constantly switching time signatures, common and/or uncommon? Would the goal be to make the time signature sound natural or intentionally jarring?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 03, 2017, 03:55:50 AM
I have a couple of questions about the "weird sig" idea:

Do uncommon divisions of a common time signature count? Constantly switching time signatures, common and/or uncommon? Would the goal be to make the time signature sound natural or intentionally jarring?
I believe (unless I was horribly mistaken) that it would just be a different time sig than the original song.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on September 03, 2017, 03:59:24 AM
Shouldn't jazzify be a subcategory of weird time sig? Because one of the possible ways to switch to a different time sig is to make a jazz version of a song. So, I just feel that they should be the same thing on the poll.

first of all, what did I just say. secondly, style and meter are two very different things.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 03, 2017, 04:04:37 AM
first of all, what did I just say. secondly, style and meter are two very different things.
I didn't say they were the same thing. I said that one way to do one of them is to do the other. There are ways that don't involve doing both, many of them, but I just think that they should be in the same poll thing.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: WaluigiTime64 on September 03, 2017, 04:07:33 AM
they imply different ways of arranging, so they should be separate

i could make a 4/4 song into a depressing 5/8 waltz and i wouldn't call it """""jazzified"""""
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 03, 2017, 04:14:46 AM
they imply different ways of arranging, so they should be separate

i could make a 4/4 song into a depressing 5/8 waltz and i wouldn't call it """""jazzified"""""
Again, I said one, one way to change the time sig is to jazzify. I never said it was the only way. In fact, I even just said the opposite of that. That there are many ways to change the time sig. It's just one way, so I believe they should be put together. I don't care if he does put them together or not. It's just my opinion that they should be.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: WaluigiTime64 on September 03, 2017, 04:17:26 AM
one way to change time sig is to """""jazzify""""" and one way to """""jazzify""""" is to change time sig but because they have so many things independent of each other they should be separate
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on September 03, 2017, 04:17:41 AM
I have a couple of questions about the "weird sig" idea:

Do uncommon divisions of a common time signature count? Constantly switching time signatures, common and/or uncommon? Would the goal be to make the time signature sound natural or intentionally jarring?
That would be something to be discussed amongst the judges before the scoring system is developed. I'd say it could be swung any way you're wanting, since the contests typically have a big degree of freedom. To me, personally, I would count both of those situations. As far as the last question goes, I can't say one way or another... but it's a good question!

EDIT: Also, for the record, ninja'd x2 X'D
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 03, 2017, 04:29:20 AM
one way to change time sig is to """""jazzify""""" and one way to """""jazzify""""" is to change time sig but because they have so many things independent of each other they should be separate
I think the real question here is, whichever one we end up doing, can we do the other as long as it also falls under the category of the one we are?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: WaluigiTime64 on September 03, 2017, 04:35:35 AM
well yeah of course. no one can stop you from doing it
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on September 03, 2017, 04:49:06 AM
well yeah of course. no one can stop you from doing it
NO ONE CAN STOP ME, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on September 03, 2017, 07:33:16 AM
Oh dear, THC has gone power mad, ribbit.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on September 06, 2017, 01:22:37 PM
The results are in! The theme for the next arrangement contest is.......

WEIRD SIG!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: AmpharosAndy on September 06, 2017, 02:15:08 PM
I'll do sum judgin if u need/want it.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on September 07, 2017, 03:01:51 AM
Lock me in as a judge. I’m ahead enough in my classes that I should be able to spare the time to do this
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on September 26, 2017, 10:19:05 PM
So, any times you people want it to start? I'm good to host it anytime as of now.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: WaluigiTime64 on September 26, 2017, 10:20:09 PM
oh right uh... maybe participating idk
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: mikey on September 26, 2017, 10:48:03 PM
Out
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on September 27, 2017, 05:40:35 AM
winter break. i'll have no time to sit down and compose until then, most likely
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on September 27, 2017, 11:22:50 AM
When that be?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Bloop on September 27, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
In the winter


For me it's December 23rd - January 7th
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on September 28, 2017, 02:25:15 AM
Dec 21 to Jan 2 for me
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Static on September 28, 2017, 04:00:12 AM
I would also like to be a contestant again for one of these, but I probably won't have time to work on this until my winter break as well, which is December 20th to January 3rd.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on September 28, 2017, 10:47:17 PM
So what about the period just after Christmas?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: BrainyLucario on October 30, 2017, 05:10:15 PM
Hmm... I suppose that could work
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on December 25, 2017, 05:24:00 AM
Okie, who’s still in for this (for both judging and participating)?
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ThatHiddenCharacter on December 25, 2017, 05:34:15 AM
I'm still in for participating.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on December 25, 2017, 05:46:35 AM
I only have a week before my classes start again so this comp better start soon :P
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on December 25, 2017, 06:09:55 AM
Any objections to starting on the 27th? (The judges need time to discuss deadlines and the like)
And
Uh...
I need to try and find out what happened to Brainy
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: WaluigiTime64 on December 25, 2017, 12:21:03 PM
I should be available just as it starts, so I'm in for now.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Olimar12345 on December 26, 2017, 08:44:52 PM
I think I'll participate this time.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on December 26, 2017, 09:01:27 PM
Theme:

Weird Sig!

Possible Participants:
ThatHiddenCharacter
Dekkadeci
Bloop
WaluigiTime
Static
Olimar12345
InsigTurtle?
Yug_Guy
Braixen1264
Lkjhgfdsa_77
ShadowChords

Possible Judges
E. Gadd
mastersuperfan
AmpharosAndy
Naturematthe


Updated list!
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: Lkjhgfdsa_77 on December 26, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
Oh, I'll probably do this again.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: ShadowChords on December 27, 2017, 05:56:58 AM
I’d like to participate as well
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on December 27, 2017, 06:09:23 AM
Just a heads-up, this isn’t the official sign up list. Once the official sign up window starts tomorrow, you’ll have 10 days to sign up with a definite song choice. This is a notice for everyone.
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: InsigTurtle on December 27, 2017, 06:15:05 AM
Could you tell us the rules? I go back in a week so if I'm going to participate, I need to start now
Title: Re: Arrangement Contest #9 Brainstorming
Post by: E. Gadd Industries on December 27, 2017, 06:17:18 AM
Hmmmmm... I can get the thing set up now, and I’ll just add a day to sign up (or maybe not, because it’s pretty late). Gimme a bit and the rules and such will be up!