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The world shall never know if that is indeed a true rickroll or not. Or at the very least, I shall never know.

Spoiler: it wasn't
Or maybe it was, I'm not actually sure

- I didn't realize staccato placement settings were something that were changed by default in the new version! I kinda like them over the stems aesthetically, but I strongly agree with all the arguments for them being notehead centered, so I've adjusted that setting!
- Adjusted the last LH note.
- Moved the suggested LH rests up to normal height. Just want to make sure, are the adjusted quarter rests in the top LH voice at m. 8 and 10 spaced well? Wasn't sure how far above the staff they should be.

Great! Given that a Bach fugue demonstrates leaving out the whole rests, I'll opt to do the same. Thanks again for all your help!

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, okay agreed on the dashed lines, I'll take those out.

- Oooh, I'm really conflicted about adding the whole rests above m. 1-4, I think I will think about those a little longer to see if I like them there or not haha.
- Adjusted the dynamic marking placement.
- Removed the tenuto markings.
- m. 13, 14, 17, changed eighth rhythms to staccato quarters. I really debated which of the two rhythms to use here, I wasn't sure if staccato quarters would convey the correct duration at first, but I do agree it is the cleaner option!
- m. 13, 14, 19 staccato articulations: yes I completely agree. Admittedly when I was transcribing this, I had it at a slower speed for this section and forgot to do a listen pass at full speed so I had a very skewed perception of the articulations here lol. These have been adjusted.
- Adjusted staff size to fit everything onto one page!

Thanks again for all these suggestions!

Uhhhh spoilers for Update 2.0 I guess lol?? Once I saw there was a new fugue I just had to arrange it!
- I wasn't sure whether to list the copyright year as 2020 or 2021, since this piece wasn't introduced to the game til today, but the year the game itself released was 2020. Not sure what the preferred option is here. It's 2021 on the sheet for now.
- I put dashed lines for middle voice staff crossing similar to the DAN DON FUGA arangement, but I'm not sure if they're quite necessary here since the arrangement is much simpler than the aforementioned piece. I think they're nice to show which hand the middle voice is going to but I don't know if it causes too much visual clutter.
- Same with the separate rests for two voices in one staff (m. 14-15), I've seen it done this way on a couple Bach WTC versions, and I think it serves the purpose of showing there's two separate voices both resting there, but again, not sure if visual clutter is an issue.
- Oops, I just realized I didn't add a dynamic marking at the beginning lol. Hopefully by the time anyone sees this I will have already gone in, fixed that, and updated the files! (Edit from like 1 minute later: yep, already done!)
As usual I'll keep an eye out for any feedback and make changes promptly!

Though the trill (and turn in m. 7) are displaced slightly to the right, and you might want to put a fermata in the left hand at the end to match the right hand.
- Dynamic in m. 1 could be lowered a bit to be centered between the staves
- Top voice in m. 10 beat 4 sounds like a quarter note rather than dotted quarter
- The tie into measure 14 RH points down while the outgoing tie from m. 13 points up (use the Tie Tool to flip the one in m. 14)
- The stem for the low C# on beat 2 of m. 17 seems oddly short for some reason?

Fixed all these! Let me know if I overcompensated on any of them, I'm not sure if there are alignment tools I could use to line up the articulations better haha. Not sure why that stem length in m. 17 changed actually.

- There's a couple of tiny visual quirks in the last system - the left and right ends of the first ending bracket don't line up vertically, and there's somehow a rogue tie visible inside the last whole note...?

Fixed the bracket with "align bracket" function, hopefully that fixed that issue! Dang it, I thought I hid that tie well enough lol, it must have changed somehow. I actually couldn't figure out how to make that Bb in m. 29 not have a tie on it without also deleting the tie on the Bb in the previous measure, so that was my kind of makeshift solution for it. For the time being, I've now hidden it even better hopefully! If somebody knows how to actually hide it or remove it without also affecting the tie in m. 28 that would be much appreciated!

As for the fingerings, I'm not too confident in my abilities to make logical ones or knowing where to place them, so I think I'll opt to not add them for now.

Let me know if there's any other changes I need to make! Thanks so much for all the feedback again!

Thanks so much for all the feedback on this, FireArrow!

The distinctions between the traditional baroque and more modern notation are definitely good things to consider! I'm willing to make any changes in that regard if necessary, although I would defer to NSM's standards of notation if there are any for these cases! The dotted lines, fermata, and extended trill marking should be easy and quick changes to make, but I may need some guidance on the fingerings if those need to be added in, haha.

I think I'll leave it as-is for now just for clarity's sake, since I think more people might be familiar with the modern notation style, but I'd love a second opinion to see if any of these changes should be made, and I'll make them ASAP! I'll keep an eye on this page, let me know!

Updated the second page title and re-submitted! Thanks a bunch!

Alrighty, I've included both titles in the submission and files, and I've reinstated the turn! Again, thanks for all the feedback, and I'll make further changes as needed ASAP!

- I thought the title of this track was "DAN DON FUGA", as seen on the track listing here. That's also the title I see more often on YouTube and other sites. Unless it's called "Canon of Kings" in-game, I forgot.

Oh yeah, that's a good point, I'm familiar with that title too actually! In the Me & My Katamari in-game music player it is titled Canon of Kings though, so now I'm not quite sure which title to go with haha. I'd be fine with using either one.

- The placement of the middle voice is appropriate - sometimes the best way to find out is just by testing it out on a keyboard. I think the way you wrote it is pretty comfortable to play, at least from my little bit of playing.
- I think sparse articulation works better for this piece. It's more stylistically appropriate, and beyond that, none of the notes really sound (to me at least) deliberately articulated legato or staccato. The accents are appropriately placed.

Yeah, I did do extensive keyboard testing and I think the way I wrote it is most comfortable for me to play personally, although I was torn on a couple notes (the middle voice F in m5 I feel like could go either way, for example, as well as the middle voice C in m6). Glad to have some reassurance on the voicing and articulations though, thanks!

- A turn (like in m7) indicates an up-down motion starting on A (A-Bb-A-G-A). However, in the original, it starts on Bb. This would better be written as just 32nd notes (Bb-A-G-A).

Interesting! Wikipedia (and some other sources from a quick Google search) define a turn as the note above the written note, then written note, note below, then written note again, which matches with how I used it (to signify Bb-A-G-A in this case). However if that is incorrect/not widely used in that way, I'd rather just use the 32nd notes if it makes it clearer! I'll change it to 32nd notes for now. Edit: Actually, I can't find a source that includes the root note as starting the turn, so now I'm pretty torn between the two options! Still keeping it as 32nd notes for now though, pending further feedback.

- Maybe space out the staves on the first system of page 2, so m15 doesn't look so cramped.
- I would use another set of cross-staff lines to connect to/from beat 3 of m22 (to the Bb).
- The flat sign in m21 RH is touching the Eb above it.

All fixed! The RH m21 flat sign is a little tricky to fix, I might have made the music spacing look a little wonky. Let me know if there's a better way to fix it!

- The 2nd loop adds the harpsichord part, and while I wouldn't say its strictly necessary to include given the complexity of the sheet as it is, I can't help but wonder if there's a good way to incorporate it. At the very least, though, I would consider adding in the middle voice in the 1st ending.

As far as I can tell, it sounds like the harpsichord part is playing in unison with the voice parts? Albeit the type of harpsichord that has strings paired in multiple octaves per note, so admittedly it does fill out the sound more. I didn't find it necessary to transcribe the octaves in this case, since I didn't really consider them separate parts.

- Copyright text, page number, and running title are all outside the page margins.

Pesky margins!! Fixed!

Also, a note about those cross-staff lines, I sometimes see the dotted lines being used for voices that just cross hands (i.e. the hand does not move to play the voice in the other staff), and solid lines indicate that the hand also moves to play the notes. But I don't think this is widely distinguished, and by reading the score people will usually just do whatever makes the most sense. I think the lines, as you have them, are OK.

This is good insight! I feel like the dotted lines might be aesthetically more pleasing, so I'll make that change for now too.

Thanks so much for all the feedback! I'll continue to make changes as needed.

- I know the game is listed here in the video as being from Me & My Katamari, but the track originated from We Love Katamari, it just didn't get an official soundtrack release until the Me & My Katamari CD.
- I tried to replicate three-part fugue writing to the best of my ability, cross-referencing some WTC Bach stuff to see how it's notated but I'm still quite unsure of the placement and notation of the middle voice. I think which hand plays the middle voice can be somewhat subjective sometimes too so I'd love some input on that! I used some line notation to signify the passing of the middle voice between hands, as I think I've seen that notation around before, no idea if it's really proper though.
- The use of articulations in Bach fugues is usually pretty sparse to non-existent depending on the arranger, so I was somewhat light on the articulations overall. I think there could maybe be slurs/staccatos in a couple places, but I feel like the performance of the track is reflected pretty well regardless? Not too sure on that front either, but I'm definitely open to adding them!
- Let me know if any other changes need to be made and I'll make them ASAP! Thanks!

bumpty-bump

Aw, heck it, you know what? 2021 is the year of giving or something, I'm feeling generous. I've added you to the leaderboard! Congrats!

Oof, just missed the leaderboard update by that much. Welp, you'll definitely be added in the 2025 leaderboard update, so that's something to look forward to!

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Could someone kindly update the rankings?

No, there's no point. That would just take so much effort to calculate all the time between each of the posts, I mean who here is even willing to put in that kind of time and effort?
And besides, K-NiGhT will always be winning. I have ensured this. Therefore, the leaderboard stays as it is.

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.......jk it's been 5 years, I guess it's as good a time as any for an update

Updated Leaderboard:

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1. K-NiGhT - 178 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, 4 seconds
2. Dudeman - 111 days, 15 hours, 31 minutes, 04 seconds
3. fabbemannen - 108 days, 23 hours, 50 minutes, 27 seconds
4. Purple1222119 - 105 days, 2 hours, 49 minutes, 10 seconds
5. Yugi - 86 days, 1 hour, 2 minutes, 6 seconds
6. EFitTrainr - 84 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes, 25 seconds
7. Jub3r7 - 82 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes, 24 seconds
8. Dude - 81 days, 14 hours, 2 minutes, 32 seconds
9. swimswamit - 64 days, 3 hours, 3 minutes, 57 seconds
10. musicguy360 - 62 days, 58 minutes, 14 seconds
11. jake3343 - 61 days, 13 hours, 47 minutes, 30 seconds
12. kotorfanboy - 61 days, 4 hours, 28 minutes, 8 seconds
13. mastersuperfan - 59 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes, 5 seconds
14. E. Gadd Industries - 58 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, 39 seconds
15. BlackDragonSlayer - 50 days, 4 hours, 55 minutes, 39 seconds
16. King Sammer - 47 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes
17. Greg - 41 days, 12 hours, 25 minutes, 26 seconds
18. Maelstrom - 39 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes, 11 seconds
19. InsigTurtle - 25 days, 13 hours, 2 hours, 10 seconds
20. Shadoninja - 25 days, 7 hours, 28 minutes, 42 seconds
21. Raymondbl - 22 days, 15 hours, 37 minutes, 5 seconds
22. KefkaticFanatic - 19 days, 14 hours, 29 minutes, 39 seconds
23. FSM-Reaper - 19 days, 11 hours, 27 minutes, 17 seconds
24. SlowPokemon - 18 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes, 50 seconds
25. Lkjhgfdsa_77 - 17 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes, 40 seconds
26. mikey - 16 days, 16 hours, 10 minutes, 18 seconds
27. Pianist Da Sootopolis - 15 days, 3 hours, 17 minutes, 43 seconds
28. BrainyLucario - 11 days, 22 hours, 18 minutes, 24 seconds
29. Zunawe - 10 days, 4 hours, 7 minuntes, 49 seconds
30. SirAwesomeSauce - 9 days, 4 hours, 17 minutes, 44 seconds
31. Gooch - 8 days, 20 hours, 12 minutes, 44 seconds
32. Splatoon Inkling - 7 days, 22 hours, 55 minutes, 50 seconds
33. fingerz - 6 days, 18 hours, 50 minutes, 4 seconds
34. blueflower999 - 5 days, 17 hours, 9 minutes, 8 seconds
35. erintiger1000 - 5 days, 11 hours, 16 minutes, 51 seconds
36. Olimar12345 - 5 days, 8 hours, 20 minutes, 32 seconds
37. ALPRAS - 5 days, 4 hours, 54 minutes, 31 seconds
38. WiiMan96 - 5 days, 1 hour, 57 minutes, 47 seconds
39. legoenthusiast - 4 days, 10 hours, 46 minutes, 18 seconds
40. Taser9090 - 4 days, 6 hours, 45 minutes, 33 seconds
41. LeviR.star - 3 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes, 18 seconds
42. FluteNinja - 3 days, 12 hours, 40 minutes, 53 seconds
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44. Bloop - 2 days, 19 hours, 10 minutes, 5 seconds
45. BlueFlameDude - 2 days, 10 hours, 51 minutes, 30 seconds
46. Toby - 1 day, 22 hours, 31 minutes, 31 seconds
47. AmpharosAndy - 1 day, 9 hours, 50 minutes, 41 seconds
48. Shadowlegend - 21 hours, 19 minutes, 58 seconds
49. generalmayo - 20 hours, 12 minutes, 3 seconds
50. Brawler4Ever - 16 hours, 46 minutes, 28 seconds
51. Winter - 12 hours, 34 minutes, 24 seconds
52. Mashi - 14.6 billion years 12 hours, 28 minutes, 10 seconds
53. Sebastian - 9 hours, 42 minutes, 34 seconds
54. scooterulez - 9 hours, 37 minutes, 1 second
55. Yug_Guy - 9 hours, 29 minutes, 4 seconds
56. iDOWN - 9 hours, 16 minutes, 30 seconds
57. MasterPenguin - 9 hours, 6 minutes, 30 seconds
58. Pit0010 - 9 hours, 2 minutes, 22 seconds
59. Yellow - 7 hours, 47 minutes, 14 seconds
60. braix - 7 hours, 28 minutes, 1 second
61. PseudoMario16 - 2 hours, 28 minutes, 45 seconds
62. Waddle Bro - 2 hours, 24 minutes, 36 seconds
63. MoboMoga - 1 hour, 58 minutes
64. Hero of Trains - 1 hour, 52 minutes, 33 seconds
65. insaneintherain - 1 hour, 35 minutes, 7 seconds
66. Nebbles - 1 hour, 18 minutes, 48 seconds
67. WaluigiTime64 - 32 minutes, 52 seconds
68. Trasdegi - 12 minutes, 50 seconds
69. acropol - 10 mintues, 21 seconds
70. Egnio - 2 minutes, 18 seconds
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This updated leaderboard made possible by the newly discovered magic of ✨SPREADSHEETS✨
(which will make it much easier on me if I decide to update this in the future!) (also please tell me if I made any errors, and i'll fix them!)
Wow, I can't believe in the 5 years since I've updated this last, we've gained 20 new participants!
Now that that's over with, I think another 5 years til the leaderboard is updated again is a good amount of time to wait. (Because updating it more often just caused people to post in here a lot lollll)
Now can we all agree to leave 2020 behind us, and with it, this topic, forever? Good, glad we're all in agreement!

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