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#61
Site News / Re: Update, Thursday 28th of April 2022
April 28, 2022, 03:35:00 PM
So many replacements! \o/

And I'm happy to see some Paper Mario here! Both the X-Naut Fortress replacement (finally!) and Shy Guy's Toy Box! :D
#62
Just because I'm neck-deep in end-of-school stuff, doesn't mean I can't arrange something! Especially when it's simple! ;D

Full Disclosure: I know practically nothing about the Megami Tensei series. I only know about this song from a couple Super Mario World Romhacks that use it as background music (you can check out that rendition here). I also know there are other versions of this song in sequels and remakes (which I would argue are better than this simple 8-bit version), but I've gone with the original here because... it's the original. So, if you are an avid fan of the series, feel free to share any any all inaccuracies I've made with this sheet with me -- just don't expect me to gush about it like you. ;)

Anyway, I'm not really sure why I like this song; I just... do. I think it's likely because (a) it's in a minor key, which I like, and (b) it sounds a lot like the stuff I personally compose (usually in minor, repetitive, with descending bass lines). Regardless, I hope you like it too! :D

Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei - "Daedalus"
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#63
Quote from: Bloop on April 21, 2022, 12:55:57 AMYeah this is looking very nice! The only thing I can suggest is to maybe remove the B in m28 R.H. beat 2, as it's a bit awkward to play the B on beat 2.5 afterwards, and the minor 2nd with the Cn could sound a bit jarring.
Sounds good! I was wondering if anyone was going to mention that as I was unsure if it was better left in for accuracy, or better removed for pretty much the same reasons you outlined. Anyway, I think it sounds just fine removed and so, it has been removed and the files have been updated. :)
#64
Quote from: XiaoMigros on April 14, 2022, 12:16:21 AMYep! You got it :)
Sweet! I've gone ahead and done this and updated the files accordingly. :D

Quote from: XiaoMigros on April 14, 2022, 12:16:21 AMI think I remember hearing a series of notes below the melody, similar to in the other measures where you have written the harmony. But as you said, it is noticably less distinct than in the other sections so I think leaving it out would work too.
Then I guess I'll leave them out for now. If you do have another listen and think there's a bit (or bits) that could richly benefit from them, do let me know! :)
#65
Wow! Four different people in here?! :o
Anyway, sorry for the late response; my senior project has had some major deadlines lately, so it's crunch time! :-\

Quote from: LeviR.star on April 11, 2022, 05:40:34 PMI wanna thank Mario Party Superstars for introducing me to this song. Thank you for replacing its sheet, Cacabish!
You're welcome! :D The remixed version in Superstars is good, but the OG is good too.

Quote from: Latios212 on April 06, 2022, 04:15:25 PMYeah I also definitely agree with leaving this in 3/4 :)
Quote from: XiaoMigros on April 06, 2022, 10:46:57 AMI think the time signature works as you have it, while there is a fair amount of motion on the downbeats it feels to me like it's predominantly in 3/4
Sweet, 3/4 it is then!

Quote from: Static on April 11, 2022, 12:49:37 PMYou can give the tempo in 1 (dotted half = 73) if you want. I think it's easier felt that way, like a waltz basically.
I can definitely see it as a fast waltz, so conducting in one would make logical sense. So, leave it as 3/4 and just change the tempo marking to dotted half = 73? That it?

Quote from: XiaoMigros on April 06, 2022, 10:46:57 AMIn m. 2 RH, I think the accompanying layer is playing F# on b3 and E ond b3.5, rather than E and D respectively.
Quote from: XiaoMigros on April 06, 2022, 10:46:57 AMIn m. 13 and similar, in b3.5 RH I hear an Fn being played below the A, not an En.
Taking another listen, methinks you are correct on both of these. Changed!

Quote from: Static on April 11, 2022, 12:49:37 PMAs for the key signature, keeping it A major all the way through I think is fine. The change in m13 is to the E Byzantine/double harmonic scale, which functions as the dominant of A major, just held out for quite a while.
Fair enough. However, if you think something would work better, do let me know!

Quote from: Static on April 11, 2022, 12:49:37 PMI think maybe beat 1 of m6/8/10/12 could be tenuto, but the mirrored articulations in the RH/LH in m13-20 make it easier to play. Maybe m22/24/26/28 could also be tenuto (or just with no articulation).
I haven't made any adjustments yet as I'd like to clarify first: I take it you are referring to the LH for "beat 1 of m6/8/10/12" and the LH for beat 1 of "m22/24/26/28"? Or are you referring to other staccatos in the measures or other hands as well?

Quote from: XiaoMigros on April 06, 2022, 10:46:57 AMYou could also include the lower harmony of the melody in ms. 5-12
So, I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to as the "lower harmony", and even then, I struggle to pick up anything extra in that region (which isn't anything surprising for me). There are some parts where there seems to be a very subtle harmony, but it's so subtle, I probably wouldn't want it included as it would force it to be played notably, instead of subtly (and it may just be me hearing things weirdly). Do you have particular areas you think it would be best or most pronounced? I'm happy to dig more.

Quote from: XiaoMigros on April 06, 2022, 10:46:57 AMLastly, while I don't think that how you've written it is "wrong", I think it would be easier to read the staccato 4th notes on b2.5 if they were all written as 8th notes.
Sounds good! I have no real stake in this, so if you feel it's better that way, that's good enough for me! :D

Alright, I think that's everything! Thanks Xiao, Static, and Latios for all your feedback! I greatly appreciate it. Files have been updated, so do let me know of other pieces of feedback you have and I'll (hopefully) address them more speedily this next time. :)
#66

A couple notes from me:
  • First, I'm pretty certain the song is in 3/4 (primarily due to the tempo), but it could also be seen as flipping back-and-forth between 3/4 and 6/8 groupings, or just be in 6/8 with a nonintegral tempo. Let me know what you think it should be.
  • Second, I'm not 100% confident on the key signature either. I put A major and there's clearly a bit of A major/A minor flipping happening throughout, but it's possible there is a strict key change to A minor at some point in the piece (possibly for the last 8 measures or the last 16 measures), or that the whole piece can be looked as in A minor (with the A major being incidental). But given that the piece is so short, I'm not so sure it matters that much. Let me know your thoughts!
#67
It's time for more Mario Party (it's always time for more Mario Party)! This sheet is already on the site, but is in need of replacement, so this is my candidate for possibly replacing it!

A couple notes: First, I'm almost certain the song is in 3/4 (primarily due to the tempo), but it could also be seen as flipping back-and-forth between 3/4 and 6/8 groupings. Second, I'm not 100% on the key. I put A major and there's clearly a bit of A major/A minor flipping happening throughout, but it's possible there is a strict key change to A minor at some point in the piece, or that the whole piece can be looked as in A minor. However, given that the piece is so short, I don't think it matters that much. Anyway, enjoy!

Mario Party - "Saving Courage"
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#68
Quote from: Latios212 on February 20, 2022, 08:04:55 PMYeah, that looks good! :D
Cool! I've gone ahead and updated the files to have the layer split! :D
(Note: the .mus file has issues with accidentals spanning layers in m.2 and m.6 as Finale Notepad won't let me correct these. I realize that's not a major issue, especially at this stage, but it's worth noting. :-\)
#69
Quote from: Latios212 on February 20, 2022, 04:51:40 PMI think that they don't have to exactly parallel each other; you end up stepping further outside the key signature that way whereas the way it's written now is the simplest to read. That's how I see it, at least!
Sounds good to me :D

Quote from: Latios212 on February 20, 2022, 04:51:40 PMYep that all looks good! Just one minor thing to mention is that you have an extra sharp on m. 16 beat 3.5 (where you don't have courtesy sharps in m. 11/12).
Whoops! That one slipped past me. Thanks for the catch! It's fixed now. :)

Quote from: Latios212 on February 20, 2022, 04:51:40 PMThat's all valid and I figured that's what you were going for :) that said, I would still suggest notating that those top melody notes are intended to last longer, even if they are being played above the staccato lower layer. Perhaps a tenuto on them?
So, something like this, perhaps?
#70
Quote from: Latios212 on February 16, 2022, 09:26:33 PMA section
Nice how each two beats just outlines its own chord and that's about it right? :P Locally everything is spelled correctly. major chord instead of F# major - since the chord drops a semitone to an F major chord in m. 3, you can avoid all those courtesy naturals.
I had previously considered this, but here was the reason for my reservation: measures 2-5 parallel measures 6-9, so m. 3 parallels m. 7. But changing m. 7 in a similar manner as m. 3 would change the E major chord to a... Fb major chord? Now, there may be nothing wrong with that, but I wasn't sure, so I left it as F# major so the two sections parallel each other. Nevertheless, I've gone ahead and changed the F# major to a Gb major (and cleaned up the courtesy accidentals), as you suggested. That said, should I also adjust m. 7 in a like manner or is it okay for them to differ?

Quote from: Latios212 on February 16, 2022, 09:26:33 PMB section
This all looks good - just one thing to mention is that the second note in each group of 4 in m. 10/11/etc. is written as the major seventh of the root in the bass, which is totally fine. But this sometimes results in you adding an accidental and then immediately natural-ing out the same note (like m. 11's D-C#-Cn-B). These are simple chromatic descents in C major so it'd be totally fine to just write them as simply as possible (e.g. only using flats when descending, so m. 11 could be D-Db-C-B). Keeping everything consistent interval-wise is good but not super important here. You definitely don't have to change it, though, since the grace notes already force sharps in some places anyway like in m. 11. See what you think is easiest to read :)
Well, if keeping the interval consistency isn't the main consideration here, then I'll gladly change them (since that was the main consideration that gave rise to how it was)! :D I've gone ahead and changed them up, so do check if they look good to you (especially m.12, where I elected for a C#, because a D#, Dn, & Db all in a row looks... off).

Quote from: Latios212 on February 16, 2022, 09:26:33 PMHave you thought about writing the upper melody in beats 3-4 of m. 2/3/etc. in a separate layer?
Yes, I did actually. The reasons why I didn't do it in the end were playability and consistency. In measures 3, 4, 7, and 8, it is impossible to hold the b. 3 upper melody note whilst trying to hit the b. 3.5 lower melody note with your RH (unless you have Rachmaninoff's hands), so the overall effect as one plays would be as if that note is played staccato. I could've set these to be quarter notes in a separate layer, but then the duration of the note doesn't align with how'd you actually play it. Couple that with the obvious parallel structure of the neighboring measures, and I elected for the common factor of playing them all staccato, maintaining consistency amongst the measures and whilst not having playability issues. Those are my reasons, anyway. If you disagree and think that the separate layers mean something different and would be more appropriate, despite the playability issues I noted above, do let me know! I don't really have super strong feelings either way. :)

Thanks for the swift feedback, Latios! I appreciate the help navigating through the crazy corners of Chromatic County. Files have been updated. :)
#71
This piece is chromatic-ville, USA. I've done my best, but I'm not sure in all situations, so I'll happily take any feedback on the accidentals. :)

#72
Oh, go right ahead! I don't mind. Definitely makes it a bit neater.
#73
Quote from: Libera on January 21, 2022, 11:55:28 AMI actually think it makes a lot more sense as an A than a D.  The A is much more idiomatic and gives a more varied sound than repeating a D on beats 1, 3 and 4 and fits a lot better with the rest of the written-in accompaniment pattern.  Even if the D is louder than the A in the original, it sticks out a lot more because the A -> D movement is a lot more noticeable than the repeated D.  Anyway, those are my thoughts on that.
Good thoughts! I, personally, like the A for pretty much the same reasons you outlined (as I said prior, I like that "oom-pah" feel here). Of course, the D sounds fine and is the forefront note, but given a choice (assuming all things equal), I definitely prefer the A. Thus, I've reverted them back.

Quote from: Libera on January 21, 2022, 11:55:28 AMThe other thing that I noticed is that bar 9 is an unnecessary bar.  You could have the first time bar start in bar 8 instead and bar 9 is then just deleted, which lets you place three bars per system for the rest of the page.  It might look a little more consistent that way.
That cleans up a lot quite nicely! I'm never quite sure if and when having one bar under a repeat is "kosher" or not (hence I didn't do one originally), but I can't deny it cleans up a lot. So, regardless of my original uncertainty, it's certainly a great suggestion. Implemented!

Quote from: Libera on January 21, 2022, 11:55:28 AMYou may also consider adding a double barline for the B section beginning at bar 11, but since the piece is short it is up to you.  It might help the reader to understand the structure a little more clearly, though.
Another good point! I had considered it originally, but wasn't sure if I wanted to add one because of the length, pickup, and proximity to the repeat. But, since you seem to think one would work here, I'll add one in!

That should be everything! Those were some very helpful "details" and I think the sheet is much better now. Thanks, Libera! :)
I've update the submission files, so do let me know of any more suggestions you might have!
#74
Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PMI'm enjoying this game a lot currently, glad I got to know it from here :D
One of us! One of us! ;D


Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PM-m1, 4 and 5: For the double bass and accordion bass notes, It could be best to not try to arrange as much as possible of both of them. For m1 and m5, I hear the D on beat 3 more prominently than the A-D figure of the double bass (though this works alright too, if you really wanna keep it).
Good point! I was originally going for the classic "oom-pah" feel, but the D is definitely stronger despite not being the bassiest (is that a word?) note. Sounds great all the same, so I've swapped it out for a D.

Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PMFor m4, however, I think it's better to just delete the low A on beat 4, so you have that fun D-A-B-C#-D figure from the contrabass. The A sounds out of place then.
Yeah, that's what I originally had and what I liked better. BUT! I was certain someone was going to call me out on it if it wasn't there. I guess the opposite was true. Removed. :P

Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PM-m2 and 6: Since you have a lot of slurs already, maybe you could add one from beat 1 to beat 2 here too?
Why not? The more the merrier, right? :D Besides, it definitely makes it sound better. Added!

Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PM-m3: If we wanne be really precise, beats 1.5, 2 and 2.5 should be staccato too (slurs wise you can then do beat 1 to 1.5 and from beat 3 to beat 1 in the next bar).
Yeah, I was originally going to do that, but given the other eighth-note runs don't contain staccatos, I decided to go for consistency, rather than accuracy. Still, I can put them in! I also appreciate the slur placement suggestion -- less brain power for me. :P

Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PM-m4 and 14: On beat 3, the melody goes down to a D, so maybe it's an idea to move the F# down an octave. It's probably better to be more faithful to the melody than to the accompaniment :p
I would agree, but I'm not sure if it sounds better or worse once I do that. However, if you think it sounds better, that's good enough for me! I was originally tempted to just demarcate the melody using voices doing something like this:

But favoring the melody works here too. Done!

Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PM-m7: Maybe you can start this slur from beat 4.5 of beat 4 already.
Why do you make me suffer? This is good suggestion! But with the repeat lines, I'm never quite sure what to do since I have to do everything manually. I've done this suggestion, but you should definitely look over the vertical position of the first repeat and the slur in the second repeat (and just everything in general) to make sure they look good.

Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PM-m8, 10 and 18: You might wanna think about if you wanna end the slurs on beats 1 of these bars, or on beat 4.5 of the previous bar: there's something to be said about both of them :p
I guess having a slur over a repeated note doesn't make a lot of sense, now does it? :P Regardless, having relistened to the original, it's definitely sounds better and makes more sense to end the beat before. Fixed!

Quote from: Bloop on January 18, 2022, 01:41:52 PM-m12 and 16: Maybe you could move the A's and D's on beat 2-3 to the second layer, so it's clear the melody still goes on here. It might look like the melody stops at beat 1 and the R.H. just takes over the L.H. chords. If you wanna be really consistent, you can move all other accompaniment parts to the second layer when the melody is also playing, but I felt that it would make the most difference here.
This was something I was wondering about, but since the rhythms didn't differ, I've went with the "minimize the number of voices" rule of thumb. However, you've made a good point and I've gone ahead and changed this, as well as applying it everywhere just to try to see what it looks like when it's "really consistent". You'll definitely need to give me feedback on how it looks as I fear a lot of the downward stems might create problems.

Anyway, that should be everything addressed! Thanks for the feedback, Bloop! As always, I really appreciate it. If you have any more suggestions now that the submission files are updated, do let me know! :)
#75
Quote from: Kricketune54 on January 16, 2022, 10:11:37 AMBeen meaning to drop some comments on this one!  Thanks again for checking out my sub.
You're welcome! (I didn't do it expecting to be repaid, y'know!) :P Regardless, I appreciate you taking some time to give me some feedback! :)

Quote from: Kricketune54 on January 16, 2022, 10:11:37 AM- I'm not really picking up a difference in note length between RH m2 beat 3 and m4 beat 3 so those could be the same (quarter, quarter rest, or half note, though I think I prefer the first option)
Fair point. I believe I had it as a quarter note originally, iirc, but I changed it to a half note to provide parallel structure with the dotted quarter note at m. 6, b. 3. However, the quarter note works well too and pairs with the quarter note in m. 4, b. 3. Anyway, I've switched it for a straight quarter note.

Quote from: Kricketune54 on January 16, 2022, 10:11:37 AM- Also based off of how it sounds, I think you could add a slur on RH m10 beat 4 to the quarter note on beat 1 of m11, and do that for each time this phrase appears in this piece.
Great suggestion! I think it works quite well with everything surrounding it. Done!

Quote from: Kricketune54 on January 16, 2022, 10:11:37 AMThat's all I really got though, this is a really nice sounding piece, well translated to piano, and that was fun to noodle around with on my own (something I don't usually do for stuff in subs lol)
You and me both. :P Glad you had some fun giving feedback on another person's sub, though! It was certainly an odd feeling when I did it on your sub (being my first time and all), but I have no doubt it gets easier over time and it's something I want to do more of over the next few months. And thanks again for the feedback! I've updated the submission files accordingly, so if you have any more feedback, do let me know! :D