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Author Topic: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy  (Read 363 times)

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[GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« on: November 27, 2020, 09:57:49 PM »

Submission Information:

Series: Other
Game: Game & Watch Gallery
Console: Game Boy
Title: Fire
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: ShyYoshiGuy
« Last Edit: January 17, 2021, 03:47:30 AM by Latios212 »
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2020, 10:15:53 PM »

Unfortunately, there does not exist any YouTube video with only this song in it, so this video will have to suffice:
https://youtu.be/dX6zsQ-kzjo?t=253 (You'll need to go to timestamp 4:13)

If you'd prefer an .mp3, this is the one that I used to arrange this song.

Some things right off the bat that I can't change:
 - It doesn't have a proper pickup measure
 - The swing marking doesn't seem to be affecting the bass clef
 - I think the intro should have a bass-with-an-8-under-it clef since the notes are kinda low
 - Same deal with Parachute, can each of the six possible tempos have its own loop?

Excited to finally fulfill nintenerd542's request after eleven years.
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2021, 05:42:57 AM »

Pretty solid base. As before, I can't import your files into my Finale, so the file fixing will have to wait till a second updater comes along.

In the meantime:
- m1-13 RH should be an octave higher. No need to use 8va, just transpose everything up an octave directly.
- In m14/18/etc. RH, the Cb-Bb-Cb triplet on beat 2 should be written as Bn-A#-Bn instead (Bb-Bn-C, chromatic ascending).
- In m10-13, some of those RH notes just sound like lingering echoes instead of actual notes. Here's how I'd suggest writing it:
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- In general, you're missing a lot of grace notes in the RH throughout the sheet. Try listening for these and adding them in.

- I think the intro should have a bass-with-an-8-under-it clef since the notes are kinda low
Sounds like the octave you have right now is correct to me.
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2021, 11:00:46 PM »

I was excited to see there was feedback on this. Not three pages long this time, phew. We'll see though, lol.

- In general, you're missing a lot of grace notes in the RH throughout the sheet. Try listening for these and adding them in.
Bruh. I'm normally good at spotting those. Ok, they're there now.

- m1-13 RH should be an octave higher. No need to use 8va, just transpose everything up an octave directly.
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Sounds like the octave you have right now is correct to me.
I wasn't saying it was the wrong octave, just that now there are quadruple ledger lines at the beginning.

The .mus is updated.
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2021, 04:14:45 AM »

I wasn't saying it was the wrong octave, just that now there are quadruple ledger lines at the beginning.
Oops, I thought you were referring to the LH with the 8-clef reference, not the RH. Either way, the ledger lines in m9 are fine. It's brief and still readable; introducing an 8va would be more awkward.

Other things:
- You can optionally slur the grace notes to the principal notes if you want.
- You might optionally consider a courtesy C natural in m2 RH (i.e. the first measure after the pickup measure) and a courtesy Eb in m6 RH.
- Check the rhythm in m3 RH—the F on beat 4 should actually start a little earlier:
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- Also shown in the above image: the last note in m3 RH should be written as a G# instead of an Ab.
- In m4 LH, the last Bb at the end of the measure should be lowered an octave, and the second-to-last Bb should be raised an octave.
- In m5 LH, the third and fifth eighth notes should be replaced by rests.
- In m2/4/6 RH, the RH note on beat 3.5 (i.e. the quarter note—B in m2, D in m4, D in m6) sounds like it should just be an eighth note followed by an eighth rest instead of a quarter note.
- In m8 LH, the second eighth note should be tied to the first note of the beat 2 triplet.
- m8-9 LH should be transposed up an octave.
- In m23/33 LH, the eighth note shouldn't be tied over to a half note afterward. There should just be a half rest for the second half since the eighth note is short, not held.

Once those things are fixed up, I think it'll look good, Finale formatting aside. Could you also remember to update the PDF/MID files too once you've made these changes?
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2021, 05:11:03 AM »

Haha, I knew it'd come soon. Thanks for the feedback. All those things are changed and I'll update all the files momentarily. (File name ending in "1-2(2)")



Edit 1/8/2021: This is related to this submission, but not worthy of a bump. I asked this on Discord with no success, so here goes.

https://vgmdb.net/album/1991

Is that^ website trustworthy enough to make Jin Sugita the sole composer on this sheet? (And possibly adjust the already-on-site Game Select as well to just Yoko Mizuta.)

Side note: Don't worry about the soundtrack being called "Game Boy Gallery". The 1994 "Game Boy Gallery" didn't include Fire, Octopus, or Oil Panic. 1997 "Game & Watch Gallery" just happened to be called "Game Boy Gallery" in Japan and "Game Boy Gallery 2" in Australia because who likes consistency.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2021, 12:38:57 AM by ShyYoshiGuy »
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2021, 08:09:41 AM »

Good stuff. Only other thing I have to say is that there are two chromatic grace notes (Fb and Eb) before m35 RH beat 2 (don't forget the slur).

Meanwhile, I can't use your files in my Finale, so I'll have to pass off the formatting to another updater. Things to handle:
- Measure and system distribution
- Staff and system spacing, to avoid the atrocity that is m8
- Making swing work with LH (should work if you change both hands to play in the same MIDI channel using ScoreManager)
- Pickup measure
- Combine the tempo marking and "swing" into the same expression
- Add all six tempos to the marking and implement it in playback (what are the tempos, by the way?)

For now, I shall approve this.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2021, 08:11:12 AM by mastersuperfan »
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2021, 03:44:52 AM »

All three files are updated with the grace notes and the tempo text that fell off of the sheet.



Tempos:
This is the base tempo:
https://youtu.be/irZnWlRWgtY?t=273 (Timestamp 4:33)
msf found quarter=168

This is the fastest tempo:
https://youtu.be/rrRdqhCY-4s
msf found quarter=264

This is gameplay I recorded directly from my GBA: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvbxuh9cze6wyyg/Fire%20Gameplay.mp3?dl=1
This (hopefully) clearly shows that six tempos play.

Anyways, with 168, 26**3** and six we get:
168, 187, 206, 225, 244, & 263 - all whole numbers spaced by 19 beats each

What's the best way to do this? I still prefer the 168-263 range for simplicity.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2021, 08:51:05 PM by ShyYoshiGuy »
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2021, 08:50:17 PM »

Anyways, with 168, 26**3** and six we get:
168, 187, 206, 224, & 263 - all whole numbers spaced by 19 beats each

You might wanna check your math there
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2021, 08:51:37 PM »

You might wanna check your math there

Got ahead of myself there. Fixed. Thank you.
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2021, 01:03:50 AM »

Meanwhile, I can't use your files in my Finale, so I'll have to pass off the formatting to another updater. Things to handle:
- Measure and system distribution
- Staff and system spacing, to avoid the atrocity that is m8
- Making swing work with LH (should work if you change both hands to play in the same MIDI channel using ScoreManager)
- Pickup measure
- Combine the tempo marking and "swing" into the same expression
- Add all six tempos to the marking and implement it in playback (what are the tempos, by the way?)
Grabbed these, as well as:
- Fixed some note durations that should be shorter (some notes in m. 1-2, 5-6,
- Split up the dotted quarter rest in m. 11, half rest in the last measure
- Added a staccato on the last RH quarter note

Uploaded files with the above; let me know if anything looks off before I accept :)
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2021, 01:24:01 AM »

I love it, thank you guys. It sounds really nice.

Two things then:
 - I'm stupid. The tempo note at the top left doesn't have a period at the end.

 - How do you find out if Jin Sugita is in fact the sole composer? If he is, I'd remove Yoko Mizuta's name.
VGMdb says so: https://vgmdb.net/album/1991





Other than that, if you agree with the rhythms, then it looks/sounds good to me.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2021, 01:28:08 AM by ShyYoshiGuy »
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2021, 03:47:07 AM »

I love it, thank you guys. It sounds really nice.
You're welcome! :)

- I'm stupid. The tempo note at the top left doesn't have a period at the end.
Got it!

- How do you find out if Jin Sugita is in fact the sole composer? If he is, I'd remove Yoko Mizuta's name.
VGMdb says so: https://vgmdb.net/album/1991




I think vgmdb is a legit source and probably the best we're going to get here, so let's roll with what that says. I've updated the composer info.
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Re: [GB] Game & Watch Gallery - "Fire" by ShyYoshiGuy
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2021, 04:12:06 AM »

This submission has been accepted by Latios212.

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